Diabetic neuropathy

March 11, 2010

Daniel,

Yeah... I always go by what the patient shows at that moment, not what it

should be,

but I'm interested in how Dr. Snow got the info about the back shu points

and blood sugar regulation.

In the patient I talked about, LV 3 is very helpful in decreasing the

peripheral neuropathy

and taking out some of the wiryness in his pulse, so I would use it

regardless of how it works on blood sugar theoretically.

But, I think Dr. Snow was specific about UB 18 making blood sugar rise, not

just working the Liver... right?

K

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Daniel Schulman

<daniel.schulmanwrote:

>

> Its not been my finding that in all cases, treating 'Liver' makes blood

> sugar rise.When I do a full 'Kiiko' palpation of the patient, from head to

> toe, in some diabetic cases, Liver reflexes are very active and demand

> attention - in these cases, I presume Liver metabolism of glucose is part of

> the 'problem' (at the physiologic level) and when I treat accordingly, in

> these cases, blood sugar responds well.I will also add, that in addition to

> UB 20, in almost every diabetic patient I have ever treated as well as any

> one with sugar metabolism problems of any kind (hypoglycemic tendencies,

> etc), Kiiko's sugar imbalance reflex (Hua Tuo Jia Ji of T11 and T12) is

> almost highly highly reactive (spastic on palpation) and when needled

> directly, brings about dramatic effect.

> Daniel

>

> --- On Wed, 3/10/10, <johnkokko<johnkokko%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

>

> <johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com>>

> Re: Diabetic neuropathy

> To:

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

> Received: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 8:30 AM

>

> Dr. Snow,

>

> Thanks for the findings...

>

> Interesting that the SP and KD back-shu points lower blood sugar levels,

> but

>

> UB 18 (LV) can make blood glucose rise.

>

> Is this an instance with wood overacting on earth, making the earth weaker?

>

> As the Nei jing states... when problems with the earth, avoid the sour

>

> flavor (LV).

>

> K

>

> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Donald Snow <don83407 (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Use Kiiko's pachi-pachi e'stim with three needles on each foot with three

>

> > stimulations each. The results should be immediate and profound. This

>

> > treatment is even more efficacious when used with a Russian SCENAR with

> 60%

>

> > to 100% relief on the first visit. It takes 9 to 15 treatments on average

>

> > for permanent resolution of the neuropathy. They must control their blood

>

> > glucose.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > To lower blood glucose levels only three points are needed. It is

>

> > important to add no other points. Before inserting the needles, get their

>

> > blood glucose level. If it is high, needle the following points:

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > PiShu/weiguanxiashu bilat

>

> >

>

> > UB 23 bilat

>

> >

>

> > Kid 3 bilat

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Retain needle for 30 minutes and retest their BCG. It should drop

>

> > significantly. If you misplace pishu and needle UB 18, their BCG will

> rise.

>

> > Therefore, it is important to have the correct locations.

>

> >

>

> > If you want to know more about this protocol, contact PCOM and ask for

> Dr.

>

> > Snow's doctoral dissertation on Diabetes.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Dr. Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > johnkokko (AT) gmail (DOT) com

>

> > Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:53:47 -0800

>

> > Re: Diabetic neuropathy

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Mike,

>

> > Yes.... this patient is the kind of guy who doesn't want to admit that he

>

> > feels any pressure pain anywhere,

>

> > except that he complains a lot about his feet neuropathy.

>

> > So, the oketsu and immune were tight, but no pressure pain elicited from

>

> > the

>

> > patient.

>

> > Of all of the hara reflexes, adrenal (under the navel) came up, so it

>

> > directed me to KD 6, which halved the pins and needles sensation alone.

>

> > Also, LV 3 and ST 41 has been very helpful for this patient.

>

> > While pressing LI 4 strongly, most of the pins/needles would go away

>

> > completely, so that's his homework.

>

> >

>

> > The first treatment, I tried the points for peripheral neuropathy in

>

> > Kiiko's

>

> > Clinical Vol 2, but didn't see immediate results,

>

> > so I tried each point one-by-one checking and rechecking the nerve

>

> > sensation

>

> > on the bottom of his feet.

>

> > Of Kiiko's treatment from pgs. 129-137 in Vol 2, I tried Ren 12, 13, SP

>

> > 3.2,

>

> > ST Qi line, Lung 4/ 8, but these were not as effective as the points I

>

> > wrote

>

> > out earlier. Surprisingly, ST 36 and GB 34 were not as effective as I

> would

>

> > assume.

>

> > The ankle fulcrum treatment was immediately effective... KD 6, ST 41 and

> UB

>

> > 62, but found that UB 62 was not needed, so retained KD 6 and ST 41. I

>

> > have yet to try the Kiiko back treatment for peripheral neuropathy (kori

>

> > around UB 42, lumbar eyes, sugar points around UB 20/21), because the

> other

>

> > treatment was working so well, but it would be worthwhile to do that the

>

> > next treatment.

>

> > The second treatment I needled KD 1, which was very lasting through the

>

> > week

>

> > and effective, but he requested that I don't needle that point because of

>

> > the obvious pain that can sometimes occur, so instead, I needle LV 3

>

> > thru-thru towards KD 1.

>

> >

>

> > Let me know how your treatments go.. it's good to share this info,

>

> > K

>

> >

>

> >

March 11, 2010

Hi Petra,

just an idea... ear needles?

This is from the Auriculotherapy Manual 2nd edition by Terry Oleson pg. 184

Peripheral Neuralgia:

primary points: corresponding body area (feet/legs), spinal sensory neurons

(sacral area on the antehelix),

point zero, shen men

secondary points: thalamus, brain, autonomic, sympathetic chain, adrenal

gland (chinese),

posterior hypothalamus, master sensorial, endocrine point

It's definitely fun to try different protocols...

shen men, point zero and sympathetic works pretty good for almost

everything.

K

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Petra Buchanan <petrabuchananwrote:

>

> That is great to hear. So I treated her for the second time on monday and

> she had a really strong reaction. She started shaking strongly. So I took

> the needles out and did some moxa at ST 36 and KI 3. We are going to try

> again next week but with only a few needles this time. Any advice?

>

> --- On Wed, 3/10/10, lee tritt

<ladylee0999<ladylee0999%40>>

> wrote:

>

> lee tritt <ladylee0999 <ladylee0999%40>>

>

> Re: Diabetic neuropathy

> To:

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

> Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 10:38 AM

>

> I have a patient who had diabetic neuropathy. He was seeing me for back

> pain and, of course, I also treated spleen, GB and Kidney points on his legs

> along with the Ashi points on his back. When he went to his neurologist,

> they determined the neuropathy was completely gone. The gentleman told the

> doctor that I was responsible for his improvement. The doctor just walked

> around the exam room scratching his head because, you know, acupuncture cant

> help with diabetic neuropathy.

>

> Lee Tritt

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> mike Bowser <naturaldoc1@ hotmail.com>

>

> traditional_ chinese_medicine

>

> Tue, March 9, 2010 5:49:09 PM

>

> RE: Diabetic neuropathy

>

> John,

>

> Good to know. I was also curious if there was any need for neuro-vascular

> compression of the thigh. I love this stuff and the immediate feedback for

> most patients. I see a lot of pain complaints and some from disc issues.

> Patients seem to be pain free for a couple of days in most cases, even the

> disc problems.

>

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

> johnkokko (AT) gmail (DOT) com

>

> Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:53:47 -0800

>

> Re: Diabetic neuropathy

>

> Mike,

>

> Yes.... this patient is the kind of guy who doesn't want to admit that he

>

> feels any pressure pain anywhere,

>

> except that he complains a lot about his feet neuropathy.

>

> So, the oketsu and immune were tight, but no pressure pain elicited from

> the

>

> patient.

>

> Of all of the hara reflexes, adrenal (under the navel) came up, so it

>

> directed me to KD 6, which halved the pins and needles sensation alone.

>

> Also, LV 3 and ST 41 has been very helpful for this patient.

>

> While pressing LI 4 strongly, most of the pins/needles would go away

>

> completely, so that's his homework.

>

> The first treatment, I tried the points for peripheral neuropathy in

> Kiiko's

>

> Clinical Vol 2, but didn't see immediate results,

>

> so I tried each point one-by-one checking and rechecking the nerve

> sensation

>

> on the bottom of his feet.

>

> Of Kiiko's treatment from pgs. 129-137 in Vol 2, I tried Ren 12, 13, SP

> 3.2,

>

> ST Qi line, Lung 4/ 8, but these were not as effective as the points I

> wrote

>

> out earlier. Surprisingly, ST 36 and GB 34 were not as effective as I would

>

> assume.

>

> The ankle fulcrum treatment was immediately effective... KD 6, ST 41 and UB

>

> 62, but found that UB 62 was not needed, so retained KD 6 and ST 41. I

>

> have yet to try the Kiiko back treatment for peripheral neuropathy (kori

>

> around UB 42, lumbar eyes, sugar points around UB 20/21), because the other

>

> treatment was working so well, but it would be worthwhile to do that the

>

> next treatment.

>

> The second treatment I needled KD 1, which was very lasting through the

> week

>

> and effective, but he requested that I don't needle that point because of

>

> the obvious pain that can sometimes occur, so instead, I needle LV 3

>

> thru-thru towards KD 1.

>

> Let me know how your treatments go.. it's good to share this info,

>

> K

>

March 11, 2010

I got the information on the back shu points this way.

At the time, I was in the Doctoral program at PCOM and I chose Acupuncture's

effect on Type II Diabetes as my dissertation capstone project since I had

recently been diagnosed with it. My research was original and the points used

were also, since they were never used for acupuncture treatment of diabetes

historically. I used common sense and logic to come up with this simple point

prescription and then I tried to disprove its effects via the null hypothesis.

The outcomes for the study were not short of amazing and the outlyers hinted at

much more useful general information about acupuncture such as who responds

better, males or females, which races appear to have a better response, etc.

By the way, I have been free of diabetes and off all medicines for 3 years now.

Anyone really interested in this research can contact PCOM San Diego; I'm sure

they will get a copy to you.

It is my firm belief that we have not really begun to see the potential of our

beautiful and powerful medicine. However, for innovation to occur we must be

able to think outside the box. We have a glorious tradition to our medicine and

we must understand the past history and founding theories of OM just as one must

learns form/kata in martial arts. After this, we must become formless and

responsive in our treatments; we must become masters in our own right. It is

our heritage and responsibility to take this medicine into the 21st century and

beyond. To do that, I believe we must free ourselves from the shackles of this

medicine's past (where most of us are stuck) and bring it to the now. That

means changing the way we look at this medicine and perhaps combining it with

new technology. If the great masters were alive today, I have no doubt that

they would use the technology available and adapt the medicine to the times

also; history shows they always did. That's is why of all the ancient medicines

of history, OM is still intack and still used today.

Sorry to cut this short but I have patients waiting. I am yours sincerely,

Dr. Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

> Chinese Medicine

> johnkokko

> Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:40:03 -0800

> Re: Diabetic neuropathy

>

> Daniel,

> Yeah... I always go by what the patient shows at that moment, not what it

> should be,

> but I'm interested in how Dr. Snow got the info about the back shu points

> and blood sugar regulation.

>

> In the patient I talked about, LV 3 is very helpful in decreasing the

> peripheral neuropathy

> and taking out some of the wiryness in his pulse, so I would use it

> regardless of how it works on blood sugar theoretically.

>

> But, I think Dr. Snow was specific about UB 18 making blood sugar rise, not

> just working the Liver... right?

>

> K

>

> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Daniel Schulman

> <daniel.schulmanwrote:

>

> >

> > Its not been my finding that in all cases, treating 'Liver' makes blood

> > sugar rise.When I do a full 'Kiiko' palpation of the patient, from head to

> > toe, in some diabetic cases, Liver reflexes are very active and demand

> > attention - in these cases, I presume Liver metabolism of glucose is part of

> > the 'problem' (at the physiologic level) and when I treat accordingly, in

> > these cases, blood sugar responds well.I will also add, that in addition to

> > UB 20, in almost every diabetic patient I have ever treated as well as any

> > one with sugar metabolism problems of any kind (hypoglycemic tendencies,

> > etc), Kiiko's sugar imbalance reflex (Hua Tuo Jia Ji of T11 and T12) is

> > almost highly highly reactive (spastic on palpation) and when needled

> > directly, brings about dramatic effect.

> > Daniel

> >

> > --- On Wed, 3/10/10, <johnkokko<johnkokko%40gmail.com>>

> > wrote:

> >

> > <johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com>>

> > Re: Diabetic neuropathy

> > To:

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

> > Received: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 8:30 AM

> >

> > Dr. Snow,

> >

> > Thanks for the findings...

> >

> > Interesting that the SP and KD back-shu points lower blood sugar levels,

> > but

> >

> > UB 18 (LV) can make blood glucose rise.

> >

> > Is this an instance with wood overacting on earth, making the earth weaker?

> >

> > As the Nei jing states... when problems with the earth, avoid the sour

> >

> > flavor (LV).

> >

> > K

> >

> > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Donald Snow <don83407 (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Use Kiiko's pachi-pachi e'stim with three needles on each foot with three

> >

> > > stimulations each. The results should be immediate and profound. This

> >

> > > treatment is even more efficacious when used with a Russian SCENAR with

> > 60%

> >

> > > to 100% relief on the first visit. It takes 9 to 15 treatments on average

> >

> > > for permanent resolution of the neuropathy. They must control their blood

> >

> > > glucose.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > To lower blood glucose levels only three points are needed. It is

> >

> > > important to add no other points. Before inserting the needles, get their

> >

> > > blood glucose level. If it is high, needle the following points:

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > PiShu/weiguanxiashu bilat

> >

> > >

> >

> > > UB 23 bilat

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Kid 3 bilat

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Retain needle for 30 minutes and retest their BCG. It should drop

> >

> > > significantly. If you misplace pishu and needle UB 18, their BCG will

> > rise.

> >

> > > Therefore, it is important to have the correct locations.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > If you want to know more about this protocol, contact PCOM and ask for

> > Dr.

> >

> > > Snow's doctoral dissertation on Diabetes.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Dr. Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > johnkokko (AT) gmail (DOT) com

> >

> > > Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:53:47 -0800

> >

> > > Re: Diabetic neuropathy

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Mike,

> >

> > > Yes.... this patient is the kind of guy who doesn't want to admit that he

> >

> > > feels any pressure pain anywhere,

> >

> > > except that he complains a lot about his feet neuropathy.

> >

> > > So, the oketsu and immune were tight, but no pressure pain elicited from

> >

> > > the

> >

> > > patient.

> >

> > > Of all of the hara reflexes, adrenal (under the navel) came up, so it

> >

> > > directed me to KD 6, which halved the pins and needles sensation alone.

> >

> > > Also, LV 3 and ST 41 has been very helpful for this patient.

> >

> > > While pressing LI 4 strongly, most of the pins/needles would go away

> >

> > > completely, so that's his homework.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > The first treatment, I tried the points for peripheral neuropathy in

> >

> > > Kiiko's

> >

> > > Clinical Vol 2, but didn't see immediate results,

> >

> > > so I tried each point one-by-one checking and rechecking the nerve

> >

> > > sensation

> >

> > > on the bottom of his feet.

> >

> > > Of Kiiko's treatment from pgs. 129-137 in Vol 2, I tried Ren 12, 13, SP

> >

> > > 3.2,

> >

> > > ST Qi line, Lung 4/ 8, but these were not as effective as the points I

> >

> > > wrote

> >

> > > out earlier. Surprisingly, ST 36 and GB 34 were not as effective as I

> > would

> >

> > > assume.

> >

> > > The ankle fulcrum treatment was immediately effective... KD 6, ST 41 and

> > UB

> >

> > > 62, but found that UB 62 was not needed, so retained KD 6 and ST 41. I

> >

> > > have yet to try the Kiiko back treatment for peripheral neuropathy (kori

> >

> > > around UB 42, lumbar eyes, sugar points around UB 20/21), because the

> > other

> >

> > > treatment was working so well, but it would be worthwhile to do that the

> >

> > > next treatment.

> >

> > > The second treatment I needled KD 1, which was very lasting through the

> >

> > > week

> >

> > > and effective, but he requested that I don't needle that point because of

> >

> > > the obvious pain that can sometimes occur, so instead, I needle LV 3

> >

> > > thru-thru towards KD 1.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Let me know how your treatments go.. it's good to share this info,

> >

> > > K

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

March 11, 2010

Petra,

Yes the book is available at www.kiiko.com

But, I would really encourage taking an intro weekend with David Euler,

who is the co-author of the clinical handbook. He is the best to teach the

style.

You can find his classes on the website. His classes are excellent.

Also, it takes at least 2 years of constant practice to get decent at it,

(at least working out the constitutional picture) and there's so much to

learn... so you keep learning and finding more appreciation for it as time

goes on.

I was lucky to have had a teacher who practiced this style in school as a

trainee.

Only this last year have I felt really comfortable with the big-picture and

the details,

since I was introduced to it six years ago. In the beginning, it took over

an hour to do the diagnosis and treatment, which goes together. Now, it

takes about 15 minutes to do a thorough job and patients feel immediate

changes, not just psychological, but physiological.

After a while, you can integrate other things you've picked up along the

way. I add Tung points, when they're called for and check the

abdominal/torso/back reflexes to see if there's a true change. You can

also integrate your TCM, biomed and classical medicine knowledge as well,

which only refines the treatment. What keeps you grounded is finding

changes in the pulse and body (hara, neck/head/back). It's best to find

someone who practices it and follow them and then practice a lot. The books

are only helpful when you know the basics in practice.

To find a practitioner close to you, you can look on the website.

I'm sure you'll enjoy the process and your patients and practice will

benefit too.

Warm wishes,

K

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:21 PM, Petra Buchanan <petrabuchananwrote:

>

> Interesting! She has a ton of pain along the GB and Inner thigh. She

> started shaking very severely during our last treatment. So I am not so sure

> about acupuncture as a therapy. We are going to try again next week with a

> few needles and some hand holding. I think I need to get that book.

>

> Petra

>

> --- On Tue, 3/9/10, <johnkokko<johnkokko%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

>

> <johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com>>

>

> Re: Diabetic neuropathy

> To:

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

> Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 5:24 PM

>

> Mike,

>

> I didn't do the neuro-vascular compression of the thigh treatment with this

>

> patient. He doesn't have any major oketsu, oketsu kai,

>

> neck pain or pain along the left inner thigh channels. He has some

>

> tightness/ tenseness under the right rib cage and adrenal reflex showing.

>

> Hence, LV 3 (which is always sore on him, especially left-side) and KD 6,

>

> which relieves those abdominal reflexes.

>

> I always check for the following signs: oketsu, immune, adrenal, ST Qi,

>

> right / left subcostal, Ren 15 area, Ren 12, Ren 9, Ren 6, (lower KD and ST

>

> points for women = uterus/ovaries) , Dai mai, ST 25, KD 27.... Lung 1/2, UB

> 2

>

> (pituitary), ST 9 (thyroid), GB 20, SJ 17.

>

> He is bitter about a lot of things in life and so he supplemented his body

>

> with some superficial sweetness (sugar) to fill this emptiness.

>

> One of my teachers in Hawaii said that diabetics are always trying to make

>

> their life sweeter, because of the bitterness in their hearts.

>

> I also love practicing this kind of direct palpation acupuncture, with

>

> instant feedback.

>

> K

>

> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 4:49 PM, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1@ hotmail.com>

> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > John,

>

> >

>

> > Good to know. I was also curious if there was any need for neuro-vascular

>

> > compression of the thigh. I love this stuff and the immediate feedback

> for

>

> > most patients. I see a lot of pain complaints and some from disc issues.

>

> > Patients seem to be pain free for a couple of days in most cases, even

> the

>

> > disc problems.

>

> >

>

> > Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > johnkokko (AT) gmail (DOT) com

>

> > Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:53:47 -0800

>

> > Re: Diabetic neuropathy

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Mike,

>

> >

>

> > Yes.... this patient is the kind of guy who doesn't want to admit that he

>

> >

>

> > feels any pressure pain anywhere,

>

> >

>

> > except that he complains a lot about his feet neuropathy.

>

> >

>

> > So, the oketsu and immune were tight, but no pressure pain elicited from

>

> > the

>

> >

>

> > patient.

>

> >

>

> > Of all of the hara reflexes, adrenal (under the navel) came up, so it

>

> >

>

> > directed me to KD 6, which halved the pins and needles sensation alone.

>

> >

>

> > Also, LV 3 and ST 41 has been very helpful for this patient.

>

> >

>

> > While pressing LI 4 strongly, most of the pins/needles would go away

>

> >

>

> > completely, so that's his homework.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > The first treatment, I tried the points for peripheral neuropathy in

>

> > Kiiko's

>

> >

>

> > Clinical Vol 2, but didn't see immediate results,

>

> >

>

> > so I tried each point one-by-one checking and rechecking the nerve

>

> > sensation

>

> >

>

> > on the bottom of his feet.

>

> >

>

> > Of Kiiko's treatment from pgs. 129-137 in Vol 2, I tried Ren 12, 13, SP

>

> > 3.2,

>

> >

>

> > ST Qi line, Lung 4/ 8, but these were not as effective as the points I

>

> > wrote

>

> >

>

> > out earlier. Surprisingly, ST 36 and GB 34 were not as effective as I

>

> > would

>

> >

>

> > assume.

>

> >

>

> > The ankle fulcrum treatment was immediately effective... KD 6, ST 41 and

> UB

>

> >

>

> > 62, but found that UB 62 was not needed, so retained KD 6 and ST 41. I

>

> >

>

> > have yet to try the Kiiko back treatment for peripheral neuropathy (kori

>

> >

>

> > around UB 42, lumbar eyes, sugar points around UB 20/21), because the

> other

>

> >

>

> > treatment was working so well, but it would be worthwhile to do that the

>

> >

>

> > next treatment.

>

> >

>

> > The second treatment I needled KD 1, which was very lasting through the

>

> > week

>

> >

>

> > and effective, but he requested that I don't needle that point because of

>

> >

>

> > the obvious pain that can sometimes occur, so instead, I needle LV 3

>

> >

>

> > thru-thru towards KD 1.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Let me know how your treatments go.. it's good to share this info,

>

> >

>

> > K

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

March 11, 2010

Dr. Snow,

I'm in complete agreement with your last paragraph. Technology is a tool

that can benefit our practices and patients if we know how to wield it in a

responsible and effective way.

Iron needles developed during the Han dynasty must have been considered

advanced technology for the day... Wang Wei-Yi's (987-1067 CE)

bronze/wax/water acupuncture man was cutting edge for the day. If we don't

embrace technology, we'll still get the memo, but it might be too late.

K

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Donald Snow <don83407 wrote:

>

> I got the information on the back shu points this way.

>

> At the time, I was in the Doctoral program at PCOM and I chose

> Acupuncture's effect on Type II Diabetes as my dissertation capstone project

> since I had recently been diagnosed with it. My research was original and

> the points used were also, since they were never used for acupuncture

> treatment of diabetes historically. I used common sense and logic to come up

> with this simple point prescription and then I tried to disprove its effects

> via the null hypothesis. The outcomes for the study were not short of

> amazing and the outlyers hinted at much more useful general information

> about acupuncture such as who responds better, males or females, which races

> appear to have a better response, etc.

>

> By the way, I have been free of diabetes and off all medicines for 3 years

> now. Anyone really interested in this research can contact PCOM San Diego;

> I'm sure they will get a copy to you.

>

> It is my firm belief that we have not really begun to see the potential of

> our beautiful and powerful medicine. However, for innovation to occur we

> must be able to think outside the box. We have a glorious tradition to our

> medicine and we must understand the past history and founding theories of OM

> just as one must learns form/kata in martial arts. After this, we must

> become formless and responsive in our treatments; we must become masters in

> our own right. It is our heritage and responsibility to take this medicine

> into the 21st century and beyond. To do that, I believe we must free

> ourselves from the shackles of this medicine's past (where most of us are

> stuck) and bring it to the now. That means changing the way we look at this

> medicine and perhaps combining it with new technology. If the great masters

> were alive today, I have no doubt that they would use the technology

> available and adapt the medicine to the times also; history shows they

> always did. That's is why of all the ancient medicines of history, OM is

> still intack and still used today.

>

> Sorry to cut this short but I have patients waiting. I am yours sincerely,

>

> Dr. Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

>

> > To:

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

> > johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com>

> > Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:40:03 -0800

>

> > Re: Diabetic neuropathy

> >

> > Daniel,

> > Yeah... I always go by what the patient shows at that moment, not what it

> > should be,

> > but I'm interested in how Dr. Snow got the info about the back shu points

> > and blood sugar regulation.

> >

> > In the patient I talked about, LV 3 is very helpful in decreasing the

> > peripheral neuropathy

> > and taking out some of the wiryness in his pulse, so I would use it

> > regardless of how it works on blood sugar theoretically.

> >

> > But, I think Dr. Snow was specific about UB 18 making blood sugar rise,

> not

> > just working the Liver... right?

> >

> > K

> >

> > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Daniel Schulman

> > <daniel.schulman <daniel.schulman%40>>wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Its not been my finding that in all cases, treating 'Liver' makes blood

> > > sugar rise.When I do a full 'Kiiko' palpation of the patient, from head

> to

> > > toe, in some diabetic cases, Liver reflexes are very active and demand

> > > attention - in these cases, I presume Liver metabolism of glucose is

> part of

> > > the 'problem' (at the physiologic level) and when I treat accordingly,

> in

> > > these cases, blood sugar responds well.I will also add, that in

> addition to

> > > UB 20, in almost every diabetic patient I have ever treated as well as

> any

> > > one with sugar metabolism problems of any kind (hypoglycemic

> tendencies,

> > > etc), Kiiko's sugar imbalance reflex (Hua Tuo Jia Ji of T11 and T12) is

> > > almost highly highly reactive (spastic on palpation) and when needled

> > > directly, brings about dramatic effect.

> > > Daniel

> > >

> > > --- On Wed, 3/10/10,

<johnkokko<johnkokko%40gmail.com>

> <johnkokko%40gmail.com>>

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > <johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com><johnkokko%

> 40gmail.com>>

>

> > > Re: Diabetic neuropathy

> > > To:

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

> <Chinese Medicine%40>

>

> > > Received: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 8:30 AM

> > >

> > > Dr. Snow,

> > >

> > > Thanks for the findings...

> > >

> > > Interesting that the SP and KD back-shu points lower blood sugar

> levels,

> > > but

> > >

> > > UB 18 (LV) can make blood glucose rise.

> > >

> > > Is this an instance with wood overacting on earth, making the earth

> weaker?

> > >

> > > As the Nei jing states... when problems with the earth, avoid the sour

> > >

> > > flavor (LV).

> > >

> > > K

> > >

> > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Donald Snow <don83407 (AT) msn (DOT) com>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Use Kiiko's pachi-pachi e'stim with three needles on each foot with

> three

> > >

> > > > stimulations each. The results should be immediate and profound. This

> > >

> > > > treatment is even more efficacious when used with a Russian SCENAR

> with

> > > 60%

> > >

> > > > to 100% relief on the first visit. It takes 9 to 15 treatments on

> average

> > >

> > > > for permanent resolution of the neuropathy. They must control their

> blood

> > >

> > > > glucose.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > To lower blood glucose levels only three points are needed. It is

> > >

> > > > important to add no other points. Before inserting the needles, get

> their

> > >

> > > > blood glucose level. If it is high, needle the following points:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > PiShu/weiguanxiashu bilat

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > UB 23 bilat

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Kid 3 bilat

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Retain needle for 30 minutes and retest their BCG. It should drop

> > >

> > > > significantly. If you misplace pishu and needle UB 18, their BCG will

> > > rise.

> > >

> > > > Therefore, it is important to have the correct locations.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > If you want to know more about this protocol, contact PCOM and ask

> for

> > > Dr.

> > >

> > > > Snow's doctoral dissertation on Diabetes.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Dr. Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > johnkokko (AT) gmail (DOT) com

> > >

> > > > Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:53:47 -0800

> > >

> > > > Re: Diabetic neuropathy

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Mike,

> > >

> > > > Yes.... this patient is the kind of guy who doesn't want to admit

> that he

> > >

> > > > feels any pressure pain anywhere,

> > >

> > > > except that he complains a lot about his feet neuropathy.

> > >

> > > > So, the oketsu and immune were tight, but no pressure pain elicited

> from

> > >

> > > > the

> > >

> > > > patient.

> > >

> > > > Of all of the hara reflexes, adrenal (under the navel) came up, so it

> > >

> > > > directed me to KD 6, which halved the pins and needles sensation

> alone.

> > >

> > > > Also, LV 3 and ST 41 has been very helpful for this patient.

> > >

> > > > While pressing LI 4 strongly, most of the pins/needles would go away

> > >

> > > > completely, so that's his homework.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > The first treatment, I tried the points for peripheral neuropathy in

> > >

> > > > Kiiko's

> > >

> > > > Clinical Vol 2, but didn't see immediate results,

> > >

> > > > so I tried each point one-by-one checking and rechecking the nerve

> > >

> > > > sensation

> > >

> > > > on the bottom of his feet.

> > >

> > > > Of Kiiko's treatment from pgs. 129-137 in Vol 2, I tried Ren 12, 13,

> SP

> > >

> > > > 3.2,

> > >

> > > > ST Qi line, Lung 4/ 8, but these were not as effective as the points

> I

> > >

> > > > wrote

> > >

> > > > out earlier. Surprisingly, ST 36 and GB 34 were not as effective as I

> > > would

> > >

> > > > assume.

> > >

> > > > The ankle fulcrum treatment was immediately effective... KD 6, ST 41

> and

> > > UB

> > >

> > > > 62, but found that UB 62 was not needed, so retained KD 6 and ST 41.

> I

> > >

> > > > have yet to try the Kiiko back treatment for peripheral neuropathy

> (kori

> > >

> > > > around UB 42, lumbar eyes, sugar points around UB 20/21), because the

> > > other

> > >

> > > > treatment was working so well, but it would be worthwhile to do that

> the

> > >

> > > > next treatment.

> > >

> > > > The second treatment I needled KD 1, which was very lasting through

> the

> > >

> > > > week

> > >

> > > > and effective, but he requested that I don't needle that point

> because of

> > >

> > > > the obvious pain that can sometimes occur, so instead, I needle LV 3

> > >

> > > > thru-thru towards KD 1.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Let me know how your treatments go.. it's good to share this info,

> > >

> > > > K

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

March 11, 2010

I used these points as empirical and I did not do any TCM diagnostics. Blood

glucose levels dropped very significantly in 70% of all patients treated, and

they dropped immediately and continued to drop for the remainder of the day. It

must be noted that I did, indeed, experiment with other points in addition to my

protocol. The result was that 100% of the time, the patient's BCG did not drop

at all and even increased. That means that to get the desired results, the

protocol must be rigidly followed.

Sorry if that info was disappointing, but that was the research outcome.

Sincerely,

Dr. Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

Chinese Medicine

daniel.schulman

Wed, 10 Mar 2010 03:48:04 -0800

Re: Diabetic neuropathy

Its not been my finding that in all cases, treating 'Liver' makes blood sugar

rise.When I do a full 'Kiiko' palpation of the patient, from head to toe, in

some diabetic cases, Liver reflexes are very active and demand attention - in

these cases, I presume Liver metabolism of glucose is part of the 'problem' (at

the physiologic level) and when I treat accordingly, in these cases, blood sugar

responds well.I will also add, that in addition to UB 20, in almost every

diabetic patient I have ever treated as well as any one with sugar metabolism

problems of any kind (hypoglycemic tendencies, etc), Kiiko's sugar imbalance

reflex (Hua Tuo Jia Ji of T11 and T12) is almost highly highly reactive (spastic

on palpation) and when needled directly, brings about dramatic effect.

Daniel

--- On Wed, 3/10/10, <johnkokko wrote:

<johnkokko

Re: Diabetic neuropathy

Chinese Medicine

Received: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 8:30 AM

Dr. Snow,

Thanks for the findings...

Interesting that the SP and KD back-shu points lower blood sugar levels, but

UB 18 (LV) can make blood glucose rise.

Is this an instance with wood overacting on earth, making the earth weaker?

As the Nei jing states... when problems with the earth, avoid the sour

flavor (LV).

K

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Donald Snow <don83407 (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote:

>

> Use Kiiko's pachi-pachi e'stim with three needles on each foot with three

> stimulations each. The results should be immediate and profound. This

> treatment is even more efficacious when used with a Russian SCENAR with 60%

> to 100% relief on the first visit. It takes 9 to 15 treatments on average

> for permanent resolution of the neuropathy. They must control their blood

> glucose.

>

> To lower blood glucose levels only three points are needed. It is

> important to add no other points. Before inserting the needles, get their

> blood glucose level. If it is high, needle the following points:

>

> PiShu/weiguanxiashu bilat

>

> UB 23 bilat

>

> Kid 3 bilat

>

> Retain needle for 30 minutes and retest their BCG. It should drop

> significantly. If you misplace pishu and needle UB 18, their BCG will rise.

> Therefore, it is important to have the correct locations.

>

> If you want to know more about this protocol, contact PCOM and ask for Dr.

> Snow's doctoral dissertation on Diabetes.

>

> Dr. Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

>

> johnkokko (AT) gmail (DOT) com

> Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:53:47 -0800

> Re: Diabetic neuropathy

>

> Mike,

> Yes.... this patient is the kind of guy who doesn't want to admit that he

> feels any pressure pain anywhere,

> except that he complains a lot about his feet neuropathy.

> So, the oketsu and immune were tight, but no pressure pain elicited from

> the

> patient.

> Of all of the hara reflexes, adrenal (under the navel) came up, so it

> directed me to KD 6, which halved the pins and needles sensation alone.

> Also, LV 3 and ST 41 has been very helpful for this patient.

> While pressing LI 4 strongly, most of the pins/needles would go away

> completely, so that's his homework.

>

> The first treatment, I tried the points for peripheral neuropathy in

> Kiiko's

> Clinical Vol 2, but didn't see immediate results,

> so I tried each point one-by-one checking and rechecking the nerve

> sensation

> on the bottom of his feet.

> Of Kiiko's treatment from pgs. 129-137 in Vol 2, I tried Ren 12, 13, SP

> 3.2,

> ST Qi line, Lung 4/ 8, but these were not as effective as the points I

> wrote

> out earlier. Surprisingly, ST 36 and GB 34 were not as effective as I would

> assume.

> The ankle fulcrum treatment was immediately effective... KD 6, ST 41 and UB

> 62, but found that UB 62 was not needed, so retained KD 6 and ST 41. I

> have yet to try the Kiiko back treatment for peripheral neuropathy (kori

> around UB 42, lumbar eyes, sugar points around UB 20/21), because the other

> treatment was working so well, but it would be worthwhile to do that the

> next treatment.

> The second treatment I needled KD 1, which was very lasting through the

> week

> and effective, but he requested that I don't needle that point because of

> the obvious pain that can sometimes occur, so instead, I needle LV 3

> thru-thru towards KD 1.

>

> Let me know how your treatments go.. it's good to share this info,

> K

>

March 12, 2010

This is so great. Thanks for the info! I will try this protocal the next

treatment.

Petra

--- On Thu, 3/11/10, Donald Snow <don83407 wrote:

Donald Snow <don83407

RE: Diabetic neuropathy

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Thursday, March 11, 2010, 9:16 AM