Diabetic neuropathy

April 12, 2010

Lower down on this page dated Tuesday, March 9 you'll see my comments on

pachi-pachi e'stim.

Don Snow

Chinese Medicine

petrabuchanan

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:06:13 -0700

RE: Diabetic neuropathy

What is the pachi pachi e-stim. I don't think you mentioned that before.

--- On Mon, 4/12/10, Donald Snow <don83407 wrote:

Donald Snow <don83407

RE: Diabetic neuropathy

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Monday, April 12, 2010, 7:48 AM

No, the point rx you are talking about, Weiguanxiashu, UB 23, and Ki 3 are only

for Diabetes (high blood glucose). The other point rx with pachi-pachi e'stim

was for neuropathy.

Sincerely,

Don J. Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

Chinese Medicine

anne.crowley

Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:48:33 +0000

Re: Diabetic neuropathy

Yes, please review them all in English. That would be quite helpful.

Anne

Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com

-

" Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. " <angelapfa

" Traditional "

Friday, April 9, 2010 5:42:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

Re: Diabetic neuropathy

I am a bit confused. What are the English names of the points you are using?

And the rule is only those points and no other ones and that is the

treatment for diabetic neuropathy?

Regards,

Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D.

angelapfa

www.InnerhealthSalem.com

Phone: 503 364 3022

-

" Donald Snow " < don83407 >

< Chinese Traditional Medicine >

Friday, April 09, 2010 1:57 PM

RE: Diabetic neuropathy

>

> I'm so happy for that. I get these same results 97% of the time no matter

> what the active sx.

>

> By the way. I am currently looking for a full-time acupuncturist to join

> me in my clinic now and possibly for a hospital position in the future

> after I train him or her up. It is a guaranteed salaried position with a

> percentage bonus system. We work hard here, but we pay well, too.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Dr. Donald J. Snow, Jr., DAOM, MPH

>

> Chinese Medicine

> petrabuchanan

> Fri, 9 Apr 2010 13:50:05 -0700

> RE: Diabetic neuropathy

Hi Donald, I wanted to let you know that I used your treatment on my

> patient and her symptoms completely went away for a day after just one

> treatment. So thank you. I love it when I can get such amazing results

> with just a few needles.

> --- On Tue, 3/16/10, Donald Snow < don83407 > wrote:

>

> Donald Snow < don83407 >

> RE: Diabetic neuropathy

> Chinese Traditional Medicine

> Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 7:36 AM

>

> I'm so sorry for the confusion. I meant Yishu/Weiguanxiashu. Hope this

> works for you.

>

> I am sincerely,

>

> Don Snow

>

> Chinese Medicine

> petrabuchanan

> Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:20:21 -0700

> RE: Diabetic neuropathy

>

> Hi Donald, I am a little confused. You said three points and there are

> four points you mentioned. Should I use Pi Shu or Wei Guan Xia Shu or

> both?

>

> Thank you, Petra

>

> Also my patient is starting to feel stronger and has more energy!

>

> --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Donald Snow < don83407 > wrote:

>

> Donald Snow < don83407 >

> RE: Diabetic neuropathy

> Chinese Traditional Medicine

> Thursday, March 11, 2010, 9:16 AM

>

> I used these points as empirical and I did not do any TCM diagnostics.

> Blood glucose levels dropped very significantly in 70% of all patients

> treated, and they dropped immediately and continued to drop for the

> remainder of the day. It must be noted that I did, indeed, experiment

> with other points in addition to my protocol. The result was that 100% of

> the time, the patient's BCG did not drop at all and even increased. That

> means that to get the desired results, the protocol must be rigidly

> followed.

>

> Sorry if that info was disappointing, but that was the research outcome.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Dr. Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

>

> Chinese Medicine

> daniel.schulman

> Wed, 10 Mar 2010 03:48:04 -0800

> Re: Diabetic neuropathy

>

> Its not been my finding that in all cases, treating 'Liver' makes blood

> sugar rise.When I do a full 'Kiiko' palpation of the patient, from head to

> toe, in some diabetic cases, Liver reflexes are very active and demand

> attention - in these cases, I presume Liver metabolism of glucose is part

> of the 'problem' (at the physiologic level) and when I treat accordingly,

> in these cases, blood sugar responds well.I will also add, that in

> addition to UB 20, in almost every diabetic patient I have ever treated as

> well as any one with sugar metabolism problems of any kind (hypoglycemic

> tendencies, etc), Kiiko's sugar imbalance reflex (Hua Tuo Jia Ji of T11

> and T12) is almost highly highly reactive (spastic on palpation) and when

> needled directly, brings about dramatic effect.

> Daniel

> --- On Wed, 3/10/10, < johnkokko > wrote:

>

> < johnkokko >

> Re: Diabetic neuropathy

> Chinese Medicine

> Received: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 8:30 AM

>

> Dr. Snow,

>

> Thanks for the findings...

>

> Interesting that the SP and KD back-shu points lower blood sugar levels,

> but

>

> UB 18 (LV) can make blood glucose rise.

>

> Is this an instance with wood overacting on earth, making the earth

> weaker?

>

> As the Nei jing states... when problems with the earth, avoid the sour

>

> flavor (LV).

>

> K

>

> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Donald Snow <don83407 (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote:

>

>>

>

>> Use Kiiko's pachi-pachi e'stim with three needles on each foot with three

>

>> stimulations each. The results should be immediate and profound. This

>

>> treatment is even more efficacious when used with a Russian SCENAR with

>> 60%

>

>> to 100% relief on the first visit. It takes 9 to 15 treatments on average

>

>> for permanent resolution of the neuropathy. They must control their blood

>

>> glucose.

>

>>

>

>>

>

>>

>

>> To lower blood glucose levels only three points are needed. It is

>

>> important to add no other points. Before inserting the needles, get their

>

>> blood glucose level. If it is high, needle the following points:

>

>>

>

>>

>

>>

>

>> PiShu/weiguanxiashu bilat

>

>>

>

>> UB 23 bilat

>

>>

>

>> Kid 3 bilat

>

>>

>

>>

>

>>

>

>> Retain needle for 30 minutes and retest their BCG. It should drop

>

>> significantly. If you misplace pishu and needle UB 18, their BCG will

>> rise.

>

>> Therefore, it is important to have the correct locations.

>

>>

>

>> If you want to know more about this protocol, contact PCOM and ask for

>> Dr.

>

>> Snow's doctoral dissertation on Diabetes.

>

>>

>

>>

>

>>

>

>> Dr. Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

>

>>

>

>>

>

>>

>

>>

>

>> johnkokko (AT) gmail (DOT) com

>

>> Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:53:47 -0800

>

>> Re: Diabetic neuropathy

>

>>

>

>>

>

>>

>

>>

>

>>

>

>> Mike,

>

>> Yes.... this patient is the kind of guy who doesn't want to admit that he

>

>> feels any pressure pain anywhere,

>

>> except that he complains a lot about his feet neuropathy.

>

>> So, the oketsu and immune were tight, but no pressure pain elicited from

>

>> the

>

>> patient.

>

>> Of all of the hara reflexes, adrenal (under the navel) came up, so it

>

>> directed me to KD 6, which halved the pins and needles sensation alone.

>

>> Also, LV 3 and ST 41 has been very helpful for this patient.

>

>> While pressing LI 4 strongly, most of the pins/needles would go away

>

>> completely, so that's his homework.

>

>>

>

>> The first treatment, I tried the points for peripheral neuropathy in

>

>> Kiiko's

>

>> Clinical Vol 2, but didn't see immediate results,

>

>> so I tried each point one-by-one checking and rechecking the nerve

>

>> sensation

>

>> on the bottom of his feet.

>

>> Of Kiiko's treatment from pgs. 129-137 in Vol 2, I tried Ren 12, 13, SP

>

>> 3.2,

>

>> ST Qi line, Lung 4/ 8, but these were not as effective as the points I

>

>> wrote

>

>> out earlier. Surprisingly, ST 36 and GB 34 were not as effective as I

>> would

>

>> assume.

>

>> The ankle fulcrum treatment was immediately effective... KD 6, ST 41 and

>> UB

>

>> 62, but found that UB 62 was not needed, so retained KD 6 and ST 41. I

>

>> have yet to try the Kiiko back treatment for peripheral neuropathy (kori

>

>> around UB 42, lumbar eyes, sugar points around UB 20/21), because the

>> other

>

>> treatment was working so well, but it would be worthwhile to do that the

>

>> next treatment.

>

>> The second treatment I needled KD 1, which was very lasting through the

>

>> week

>

>> and effective, but he requested that I don't needle that point because of

>

>> the obvious pain that can sometimes occur, so instead, I needle LV 3

>

>> thru-thru towards KD 1.

>

>>

>

>> Let me know how your treatments go.. it's good to share this info,

>

>> K

>

>>

>

>>

April 12, 2010

I am sorry Dr. snow but what are the point Rx with the pachi-pachi

e'stim for neuropathy.... I have read the thread but it is not clear to me.

David Sontag

Donald Snow wrote:

> No, the point rx you are talking about, Weiguanxiashu, UB 23, and Ki 3 are

only for Diabetes (high blood glucose). The other point rx with pachi-pachi

e'stim was for neuropathy.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Don J. Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

>

> Chinese Medicine

> anne.crowley

> Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:48:33 +0000

> Re: Diabetic neuropathy

>

Yes, please review them all in English. That would be quite helpful.

>

> Anne

>

> Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

> www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com

>

> -

> " Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. " <angelapfa

> " Traditional "

> Friday, April 9, 2010 5:42:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

> Re: Diabetic neuropathy

>

> I am a bit confused. What are the English names of the points you are using?

> And the rule is only those points and no other ones and that is the

> treatment for diabetic neuropathy?

>

> Regards,

> Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D.

>

> angelapfa

>

> www.InnerhealthSalem.com

>

> Phone: 503 364 3022

> -

> " Donald Snow " < don83407 >

> < Chinese Traditional Medicine >

> Friday, April 09, 2010 1:57 PM

> RE: Diabetic neuropathy

>

>> I'm so happy for that. I get these same results 97% of the time no matter

>> what the active sx.

>>

>> By the way. I am currently looking for a full-time acupuncturist to join

>> me in my clinic now and possibly for a hospital position in the future

>> after I train him or her up. It is a guaranteed salaried position with a

>> percentage bonus system. We work hard here, but we pay well, too.

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>> Dr. Donald J. Snow, Jr., DAOM, MPH

>>

>> Chinese Medicine

>> petrabuchanan

>> Fri, 9 Apr 2010 13:50:05 -0700

>> RE: Diabetic neuropathy

>>

>> Hi Donald, I wanted to let you know that I used your treatment on my

>> patient and her symptoms completely went away for a day after just one

>> treatment. So thank you. I love it when I can get such amazing results

>> with just a few needles.

>> --- On Tue, 3/16/10, Donald Snow < don83407 > wrote:

>>

>> Donald Snow < don83407 >

>> RE: Diabetic neuropathy

>> Chinese Traditional Medicine

>> Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 7:36 AM

>>

>> I'm so sorry for the confusion. I meant Yishu/Weiguanxiashu. Hope this

>> works for you.

>>

>> I am sincerely,

>>

>> Don Snow

>>

>> Chinese Medicine

>> petrabuchanan

>> Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:20:21 -0700

>> RE: Diabetic neuropathy

>>

>> Hi Donald, I am a little confused. You said three points and there are

>> four points you mentioned. Should I use Pi Shu or Wei Guan Xia Shu or

>> both?

>>

>> Thank you, Petra

>>

>> Also my patient is starting to feel stronger and has more energy!

>>

>> --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Donald Snow < don83407 > wrote:

>>

>> Donald Snow < don83407 >

>> RE: Diabetic neuropathy

>> Chinese Traditional Medicine

>> Thursday, March 11, 2010, 9:16 AM

>>

>> I used these points as empirical and I did not do any TCM diagnostics.

>> Blood glucose levels dropped very significantly in 70% of all patients

>> treated, and they dropped immediately and continued to drop for the

>> remainder of the day. It must be noted that I did, indeed, experiment

>> with other points in addition to my protocol. The result was that 100% of

>> the time, the patient's BCG did not drop at all and even increased. That

>> means that to get the desired results, the protocol must be rigidly

>> followed.

>>

>> Sorry if that info was disappointing, but that was the research outcome.

>>

>> Sincerely,

>>

>> Dr. Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

>>

>> Chinese Medicine

>> daniel.schulman

>> Wed, 10 Mar 2010 03:48:04 -0800

>> Re: Diabetic neuropathy

>>

>> Its not been my finding that in all cases, treating 'Liver' makes blood

>> sugar rise.When I do a full 'Kiiko' palpation of the patient, from head to

>> toe, in some diabetic cases, Liver reflexes are very active and demand

>> attention - in these cases, I presume Liver metabolism of glucose is part

>> of the 'problem' (at the physiologic level) and when I treat accordingly,

>> in these cases, blood sugar responds well.I will also add, that in

>> addition to UB 20, in almost every diabetic patient I have ever treated as

>> well as any one with sugar metabolism problems of any kind (hypoglycemic

>> tendencies, etc), Kiiko's sugar imbalance reflex (Hua Tuo Jia Ji of T11

>> and T12) is almost highly highly reactive (spastic on palpation) and when

>> needled directly, brings about dramatic effect.

>> Daniel

>> --- On Wed, 3/10/10, < johnkokko > wrote:

>>

>> < johnkokko >

>> Re: Diabetic neuropathy

>> Chinese Medicine

>> Received: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 8:30 AM

>>

>> Dr. Snow,

>>

>> Thanks for the findings...

>>

>> Interesting that the SP and KD back-shu points lower blood sugar levels,

>> but

>>

>> UB 18 (LV) can make blood glucose rise.

>>

>> Is this an instance with wood overacting on earth, making the earth

>> weaker?

>>

>> As the Nei jing states... when problems with the earth, avoid the sour

>>

>> flavor (LV).

>>

>> K

>>

>> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Donald Snow <don83407 (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote:

>>

>>> Use Kiiko's pachi-pachi e'stim with three needles on each foot with three

>>>

>>> stimulations each. The results should be immediate and profound. This

>>>

>>> treatment is even more efficacious when used with a Russian SCENAR with

>>> 60%

>>>

>>> to 100% relief on the first visit. It takes 9 to 15 treatments on average

>>>

>>> for permanent resolution of the neuropathy. They must control their blood

>>>

>>> glucose.

>>>

>>> To lower blood glucose levels only three points are needed. It is

>>>

>>> important to add no other points. Before inserting the needles, get their

>>>

>>> blood glucose level. If it is high, needle the following points:

>>>

>>> PiShu/weiguanxiashu bilat

>>>

>>> UB 23 bilat

>>>

>>> Kid 3 bilat

>>>

>>> Retain needle for 30 minutes and retest their BCG. It should drop

>>>

>>> significantly. If you misplace pishu and needle UB 18, their BCG will

>>> rise.

>>>

>>> Therefore, it is important to have the correct locations.

>>>

>>> If you want to know more about this protocol, contact PCOM and ask for

>>> Dr.

>>>

>>> Snow's doctoral dissertation on Diabetes.

>>>

>>> Dr. Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

>>>

>>> johnkokko (AT) gmail (DOT) com

>>>

>>> Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:53:47 -0800

>>>

>>> Re: Diabetic neuropathy

>>>

>>> Mike,

>>>

>>> Yes.... this patient is the kind of guy who doesn't want to admit that he

>>>

>>> feels any pressure pain anywhere,

>>>

>>> except that he complains a lot about his feet neuropathy.

>>>

>>> So, the oketsu and immune were tight, but no pressure pain elicited from

>>>

>>> the

>>>

>>> patient.

>>>

>>> Of all of the hara reflexes, adrenal (under the navel) came up, so it

>>>

>>> directed me to KD 6, which halved the pins and needles sensation alone.

>>>

>>> Also, LV 3 and ST 41 has been very helpful for this patient.

>>>

>>> While pressing LI 4 strongly, most of the pins/needles would go away

>>>

>>> completely, so that's his homework.

>>>

>>> The first treatment, I tried the points for peripheral neuropathy in

>>>

>>> Kiiko's

>>>

>>> Clinical Vol 2, but didn't see immediate results,

>>>

>>> so I tried each point one-by-one checking and rechecking the nerve

>>>

>>> sensation

>>>

>>> on the bottom of his feet.

>>>

>>> Of Kiiko's treatment from pgs. 129-137 in Vol 2, I tried Ren 12, 13, SP

>>>

>>> 3.2,

>>>

>>> ST Qi line, Lung 4/ 8, but these were not as effective as the points I

>>>

>>> wrote

>>>

>>> out earlier. Surprisingly, ST 36 and GB 34 were not as effective as I

>>> would

>>>

>>> assume.

>>>

>>> The ankle fulcrum treatment was immediately effective... KD 6, ST 41 and

>>> UB

>>>

>>> 62, but found that UB 62 was not needed, so retained KD 6 and ST 41. I

>>>

>>> have yet to try the Kiiko back treatment for peripheral neuropathy (kori

>>>

>>> around UB 42, lumbar eyes, sugar points around UB 20/21), because the

>>> other

>>>

>>> treatment was working so well, but it would be worthwhile to do that the

>>>

>>> next treatment.

>>>

>>> The second treatment I needled KD 1, which was very lasting through the

>>>

>>> week

>>>

>>> and effective, but he requested that I don't needle that point because of

>>>

>>> the obvious pain that can sometimes occur, so instead, I needle LV 3

>>>

>>> thru-thru towards KD 1.

>>>

>>> Let me know how your treatments go.. it's good to share this info,

>>>

>>> K

>>>

April 12, 2010

This is an old case, but I just want to remind someone who had never read

this. If Any of you who had learned of this case, please ignore my repeat.

I had a TCM friend who had had a severe, complicated diabetes which had confined

him in a bed prevented him coming into his own clinic. It had been so bad which

his wife and his children had been waiting for his last breath.

I heard about his sickness from other TCM friends of mine, they suggested

that we should have had to comfort him for the last minutes. I made a call and

it made a miracle. " He never answered a call because he felt ashamed of his

illness and thought no one could help " his wife said, " However, he answered to

my call and he was so happy to hear from me " . I asked him whether I could take

a diagnosis for him, and he agreed. He was 62, thin, pale, weak and felt cold

most of the time. Weight loss and blood sugar was up more than 350....His

physician did everything to help, but nothing helped much..... I said there

maybe a solution if he would follow my advice to try..... Sometimes we would not

only to stick on TCM alone, but integrate with other alternative treatments as

well.

Blood sugar rises is for some reasons ( Sugars or glucose are not using up

). Excess glucose in the blood are from excess calories we ingested. If these

excess calories are not burned up or used up , they are store in the liver cells

and muscles. Calories need extreme energy ( Qi ) to burn or to use up. Patients

who lack of Qi, not able to store glucose as glycogen, but flood into the

bloodstream....... As Donald has said, Kidney Qi , Ub 23,will enhance Ki Qi...

In my friend's case above, I had advised him to take Vitamin C up to 3 grams (

3,000 mg ) a day, but 500mg each time, together with vitamin E. For TCM, taking

Ba wei wan ( 30 pills , 3x / day instead of 8 pills , 2x/day ). Within a week,

he responded that he was much better and returned to his clinic daily.........

Every case is different. But his case was Ki Qi and Yang deficiency, Ba Wei was

the choice, but with high doses. I think now he is still at work and is very

happy- it was 7

yrs ago.

Note : Vitamin C is water soluble, any excess over 500mg will be flushed

out by urine. It is safe to have megadose, but be sure to take it after meal so

it won't hurt your digestive system......... Any excess may cause a diarrhea.

Someone said it will form kidney stones " it is a deceptive answer " ........

Vitamin C is good for blood vessels in cases of diabetes and plague in our

arteries. It is also good for antiviral infections and bacterial infections. It

is known a good circulation of blood - a booster. Together with vitamin E it

works and helps our heart to get enough oxygen in our blood, blood vessels and

muscles to burn excess calories. In severe case, vitamin B6 may be added to help

our blood vessels....

If Ki Yin is deficient, Liu Wei Di Huang is used with high dose.

If Ki Yang is deficient, Ba Wei Di Huang is used with high dose. Acupuncture

with moxa is advisable.

Recently I had a diabetic patient with tingling hands and feet for more than

8 months even though she has been taking glucosphage........... I prescribed her

Rou Gui and Fu Zi, her blood sugar drops and tingling sensation

disappeared........... If this would not help, I would ask her to take vitamin C

& E. However, I was lucky. She is very happy with this formula.

Good luck to all.........

Nam Nguyen

April 12, 2010

I do not use TCM diagnostics when performing acupuncture, therefore I never use

" standard " point prescriptions. I use TCM diagnostics for Internal Medicine and

I use meridian diagnostics and palpation for my acupuncture treatments. If the

points are not active/reactive, I don't puncture them. Therefore, palpate the

neuropathic area and find three of the most sensitive points and puncture them

very deeply or tap the bone. Then pachi-pachi those needles. If the neuropathy

is caused by a spinal, attack a pachi lead to a needle in the back, and two to

the affected limb. Since there is a " break " in the nerve impulse from the spine

to the affected area, the lead " must become " the spine, and the nerve impulse

must reach the affected area. Simple logic, but a little involved for this

forum.

Hope it helps,

Sincerely,

Dr. Don J. Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

Chinese Medicine

acudoc

Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:05:35 -0400