A question on Chinese medical History

[Guest guest]

Hi Folks,

 

 

I wonder if anyone can help me with this question? When in history

did the first 5E chart depicting the 5E in a circle, and the elements

in a circle within each organ, arise? I'm talking about the chart that

shows the element points within each of the 12 organs as a microcosm

of the whole circle. Like the chart JR Worsley produced in the 1970's.

 

Does such a chart exist historically?

 

Thanks, Lonny Jarrett

[Guest guest]

The JR Worsley chart looks like a copy of the *Five Element Acupoint Chart

(24 X 41) *by Shohaku

Honma<http://www.redwingbooks.com/products/authors/Shohaku%20Honma.cfm>

produced

in 1942...Its one of my favorite charts and hanging on my wall. You can get

it here from Redwing Books:

 

http://www.redwingbooks.com/products/books/FivEleAcuCha.cfm

 

I don't believe Worsley produced it by himself, I believe he had inspiration

from this chart. Its too close to Worsley's chart and predates it by nearly

30 years.

 

I also think Worsley studied Japanese 5 element acupuncture and from French

sources.

 

Just my $0.02.

 

 

 

 

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 1:42 PM, sppdestiny <Revolution wrote:

 

> Hi Folks,

>

> I wonder if anyone can help me with this question? When in history

> did the first 5E chart depicting the 5E in a circle, and the elements

> in a circle within each organ, arise? I'm talking about the chart that

> shows the element points within each of the 12 organs as a microcosm

> of the whole circle. Like the chart JR Worsley produced in the 1970's.

>

> Does such a chart exist historically?

>

> Thanks, Lonny Jarrett

>

>

>

 

 

 

--

Robert Chu, PhD, L.Ac. QME

chusauli

 

See my webpages at: www.chusaulei.com

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Chinese Medicine , " Robert Chu "

<chusauli wrote:

>

> The JR Worsley chart looks like a copy of the *Five Element Acupoint

Chart

> (24 X 41) *by Shohaku

> Honma<http://

\

 

 

Lonny: Yes, Im familiar with this chart. My very real interest is

whether or not there is an example of it prior to about 1860.

[Guest guest]

Hey Lonny, is this a question you already know the answer to?

 

Hugo

 

 

 

sppdestiny <Revolution

Chinese Medicine

Thursday, 12 June, 2008 4:42:46 PM

A question on Chinese medical History

 

 

Hi Folks,

 

I wonder if anyone can help me with this question? When in history

did the first 5E chart depicting the 5E in a circle, and the elements

in a circle within each organ, arise? I'm talking about the chart that

shows the element points within each of the 12 organs as a microcosm

of the whole circle. Like the chart JR Worsley produced in the 1970's.

 

Does such a chart exist historically?

 

Thanks, Lonny Jarrett

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hugo: Hey Lonny, is this a question you already know the answer to?

 

Lonny: No Hugo, it isn't. I have suspicions, for theoretical reasons

alone, that no such chart could have existed prior to the mid to late

1800's but I have no idea if one did. The Daoists loved drawing

charts and there are thousands of texts I've never seen.

 

So, if anyone with a classical background has any info on an earlier

appearance of the 5 element chart in its current form than the

Japanese chart of the 1930s I'd love to know.

 

Thanks, lonny