youtube acupuncture video?

May 7, 2008

Lee

The MD I met at Harvard Med at the First International Symposium on Fascia

Research on October 4, 2007 is Dr. Helen Langevin, MD out of the University of

Vermont.

I will send you the research articles this evening unless someone has them

during today.

Richard

Richard Freiberg, OMD, DAc, AP, LAc

In a message dated 5/7/2008 1:18:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

acudoc writes:

I have been looking for a video that was sent out to the group about a year

ago from a female MD showing interstitial tissues wrapping around an

acupuncture needle. Does anyone remember this one? I have been looking in

the archives, but have been unable to find it.

Lee Tritt, OMD, AP

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Friday, April 11, 2008 10:49 PM

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youtube acupuncture/yout

last year, sometime btwn july and november we were having a discussion about

md's doing acupuncture. a woman sent a couple video links from youtube

showing a couple of masters in china demonstrating incredible abilities with

qi. one (possibly john cheng of java) was touching/needling a patient and

causing convulsions due to the strong qi. later he was at a restaurant and

pushed a chopstick through a table. a splinter hit a woman at the table,

causing a little bleeding. after that he had a tormentous night because he

had shown off and caused harm, which he had been told not to do. he

wouldn't allow further taping.

does this ring any bells. i saw a patient today who had been to java and

was treated by john cheng. we were wondering if this was the same person.

did anyone save/remember the 2 links i'm thinking of. they were 2 different

practitioners.

thanks,

kath

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May 7, 2008

Maybe this post?

Jorge Gomez

DAOM Candidate

On 10/2/07, Edith Chan, L.Ac. <chineseherbs wrote:

>

> Hi all,

>

> With regards to some of the attitudes about M.D.s recently posted

on this

> forum (in response to the back pain study), I'd like to share a

different

> point-of-view... Hope you will bare with me. (if not, skip down to

the fun

> videos at the bottom!) ---

>

> For the benefit of our patients and our profession, we have got to

move

> away

> from this " us vs. them " mentality. The mindset bashing on M.D.s

with their

> 140hr training will only create more conflict and keep us on the

fringe of

> mainstream medicine. If we are to move out of this " sick society "

into a

> healthy, harmonious, and integrated system, then we must start by

setting

> the example with our own attitudes and behaviour. We must see MDs as

> friends/allies, not as enemies. They have the potential to be

either, and

> it

> is up to us TCM doctors to set the tone.

>

> In my opinion, it's wonderful that some MDs are getting a little

> acupuncture

> training. If it means that they may try a needle treatment for

simple pain

> relief rather than prescribing drugs, then as long as they're not

causing

> harm (such as puncturing an organ), the patient is probably better

off,

> even

> if the points are not elegantly chosen. Also from a business

perspective,

> this will undoubtedly get people curious about acupuncture, which

in turn

> will grow the total acupuncture market. Even if we have less than

100%

> market-share, the total pie will be much bigger. It'd also mean that

> patients are taking less drugs and trying more natural medicine

options.

> In

> the grand scheme of things, this could be very good for patients,

TCM

> doctors, and society in general!

>

> While there is a worry that MDs w/ limited training may mis-

represent the

> true power of our medicine, my experience has been to the contrary.

My

> experience has been that MDs interested in acupuncture tend to be

more

> humble, genuine people interested in true healing, what you'd call

> " out-of-the-box " thinkers. I've come across M.D.s who received just

enough

> acupuncture training to understand their limitations and will refer

> patients

> to a " real acupuncturist " for trickier cases when they are not able

to

> deliver results themselves. I myself have been a very happy (and

flattered

> ) beneficiary of such wonderful partnerships.

>

> Also if we don't like the way these studies are designed, then seek

out

> training about research methodologies so that we can be eloquent in

> expressing these concerns to patients and M.D. colleagues. Or

better yet,

> get a DAOM/PhD degree in order to develop more TCM-appropriate

research

> protocols!

>

> Someone earlier made an insulting comment about how MDs have " no

idea how

> to

> propagate Qi " . Surely this person is not alone in this sentiment.

I urge

> all of us to not get too cocky thinking how much better we are just

> because

> we have a tiny bit more training. Let's consider the scale of

amazing

> healers who have passed the medicine to us. Hua Tuo, Li Dong Yuan,

Zhang

> Zhong Jing, etc... Compared to them, how are your acupuncture or

herbal

> skills? surely many of us are closer to the 140hr M.D.s than we are

to

> these TRUE Masters. Let us practice humility in order that we may be

> worthy

> heirs of their amazing medicine.

>

> As for ability to direct Qi, here's are a couple videos to help put

things

> into perspectives --

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drz-CMespEM (especially watch near

5minute

> mark)

>

(courtesy of my

apprenticeship

> brother Ben Krieg. thanks ben!)

>

> Hope you find these videos motivating and humbling as I do. Now let

us get

> back to the business of becoming the best darn healers we can be.

>

> With love & respect,

>

> Edith Chan

> DAOM Candidate

>

> --

> Edith Chan, L.Ac.

> Phone: 415.298.5324

> www.EdithChanAcupuncture.com <http://www.edithchanacupuncture.com/>

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acudoc

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, May 07, 2008 4:17 PM

RE: youtube acupuncture video links?