Anti-inflammatory

[Guest guest]

>>>but any good cm practitioner will assign a heat

presentation as an inflammatory condition'<<<.

 

The notion of 'good CM doctor' is subject to discussions but I will question any

association of heat pattern with inflammation by TCM students. A decent CM

doctor can identify the pathomechanism of the disease, not only the terminology

of WM.

 

Inflammation may involve redness, swelling, heat, and pain; and we can assign

heat presentation to an inflammatory condition; but we cannot identitfy a

pattern based upon a single local presentation of heat sign.

 

SUNG, Yuk-ming

[Guest guest]

SUNG

prolotherpy is a regenerative therapy. When used appropriately has no

side effects, except for pain resulting from the injections and

induced inflammatory response, and is long lasting. Its not a

temporary fix. When the cause of pain is instability from ligamentous

laxity nothing works as well as prolotherapy. No amount of acupuncture

would help the same. The problem is that prolo is very often over used

by dr with poor diagnostic skills.

 

 

 

400 29th St. Suite 419

Oakland Ca 94609

 

 

 

alonmarcus

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you Alon and Mary for your kind responses, I will look it up.

Best regards

Giovanna

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , acumary wrote:

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> Hi Giovanna,

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> It is not that the anti-inflamatory property of the drugs is negative - it is

related to how the protocol works.? As I understand it Prolotherapy sets up a

sterile inflammatory response and you don't want to stop or inhibit that

response.?

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> There are many websites that discuss how this works? - I think that you would

find them helpful.

> Mary Chamberlain, LAc.

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[Guest guest]

Alon, do you have a recommendation for a good practitioner of prolotherapy in

northern california?

Regards, Tymothy

 

 

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> SUNG

> prolotherpy is a regenerative therapy. When used appropriately has no

> side effects, except for pain resulting from the injections and

> induced inflammatory response, and is long lasting. Its not a

> temporary fix. When the cause of pain is instability from ligamentous

> laxity nothing works as well as prolotherapy. No amount of acupuncture

> would help the same. The problem is that prolo is very often over used

> by dr with poor diagnostic skills.

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> 400 29th St. Suite 419

> Oakland Ca 94609

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> alonmarcus

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[Guest guest]

Have a look at at the NATI list www.injectiontx.org > group of practioner>DO,

ND, MD, DOM, Dr.TCM using Prolotherapy(RIT) and PRP

Dr. Ross Ralph

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miracles28

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, July 01, 2009 12:19 PM

Re: anti-inflammatory

 

 

 

 

 

Alon, do you have a recommendation for a good practitioner of prolotherapy in

northern california?

Regards, Tymothy

 

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> SUNG

> prolotherpy is a regenerative therapy. When used appropriately has no

> side effects, except for pain resulting from the injections and

> induced inflammatory response, and is long lasting. Its not a

> temporary fix. When the cause of pain is instability from ligamentous

> laxity nothing works as well as prolotherapy. No amount of acupuncture

> would help the same. The problem is that prolo is very often over used

> by dr with poor diagnostic skills.

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> 400 29th St. Suite 419

> Oakland Ca 94609

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> alonmarcus

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[Guest guest]

Mr Marcus,

 

Thank you for your sharing your knowledge. I am sure sometimes surgery is the

only option especially when bone issues are involved.

 

However, I always have this question in my mind when someone told me (not

referring to you) acupuncture couldn't fix this or that problem. I will ask if

the said acupuncturist good enough.

 

As we know the diagnoistic and empirical skills of individual acupuncturist

varies drastically. My experiences tell me that acupuncture can handle soft

tissues (including ligaments and tendons) well and will facilitate the recovery

of soft tissues issue promptly (even better with the herbal medicine). Since

there is no a genuine case here to discuss, it is just a generalized conclusion.

Of course acupuncture treatment cannot substitute surgery.

 

SUNG, Yuk-ming

[Guest guest]

Hi Tymothy

Also check : prolotherapy.com

They have a list of practitioners and various articles

Mary Chamberlain,LAc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ross Ralph <courtenayhealing

Chinese Medicine

Wed, Jul 1, 2009 4:07 pm

Re: Re: anti-inflammatory

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have a look at at the NATI list www.injectiontx.org > group of practioner>DO,

ND, MD, DOM, Dr.TCM using Prolotherapy(RIT) and PRP

 

Dr. Ross Ralph

 

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miracles28

 

Chinese Medicine

 

Wednesday, July 01, 2009 12:19 PM

 

Re: anti-inflammatory

 

 

 

Alon, do you have a recommendation for a good practitioner of prolotherapy in

northern california?

 

Regards, Tymothy

 

 

 

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> SUNG

 

> prolotherpy is a regenerative therapy. When used appropriately has no

 

> side effects, except for pain resulting from the injections and

 

> induced inflammatory response, and is long lasting. Its not a

 

> temporary fix. When the cause of pain is instability from ligamentous

 

> laxity nothing works as well as prolotherapy. No amount of acupuncture

 

> would help the same. The problem is that prolo is very often over used

 

> by dr with poor diagnostic skills.

 

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> Oakland Ca 94609

 

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[Guest guest]

Tymothy

Gracer and Eke are the most experienced

 

 

 

400 29th St. Suite 419

Oakland Ca 94609

 

 

 

alonmarcus

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

SUNG

yes skill always plays a roll, however i still maintain that when true

SI or spinal instability is present acupuncture and herbs can only

offer palliative care.

 

 

 

400 29th St. Suite 419

Oakland Ca 94609

 

 

 

alonmarcus

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Mr Marcus,

 

I am sure your opinion is valuable as you are an expert in oste. Would you mind

deliberating the mechanism why acupuncture can only play the role of palliative

care and in your opinion under what conditions can patients benefit most from

acupuncture treatment?

Thanks in advance.

 

SUNG, Yuk-ming

[Guest guest]

Mr Marcus

 

My reply to your post seems lost somewhere so I repost again. I treasure your

opinion on spinal instability issue as you are the expert in western osteo.. My

I ask what roles do you think acupuncture plays when treating ligaments/tendons

issues, from the point of Chinese medicine? For example, in Yao Ming (The

basketball player of Rocket cause). He suffers from ankle injuries again as

reported. Can acupuncture help his condition in anyway or acu can only play

palliative care role?

 

SUNG, Yuk-ming

[Guest guest]

SUNG

I assume you are talking about inversion sprains. Chinese medicine can help

quite a bit in first degree sprains with normal foot biomechanics. It does not

resolve 2ed degree sprains or problems which are due to mechanical issues

needing orthotic intervention. When it does it takes a long time and one cannot

be sure that the patient would have not gotten better anyway. In the acute stage

CM has much to offer as herbs are very helpful in reducing swelling and shorting

the time it takes rid the hematoma. In patients that develop significant

tibialis tendinitis CM is helpful but very slow and again depending on stability

and mechanics may only provide palliative care. In patients that develop sinus

tarsi syndrome results for the most part are palliative only.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Spinal and SI instability are caused by either anatomical changes resulting from

ligamentous and disc fraying and hysteresis or by anatomical problems such as a

convex convex (as apposed to convex concave) relationship within the joint.

Ligaments do not have a good blood supply and therefor do not heal as well as

other tissues. These are the patients that feel good after chiropractic

manipulation to only have their pain come right back. These are also the

patients that may feel well after acupuncture but need repeated treatments

without resolution. In mild cases the patient can strengthen their musculature

and optimize their OM functions resulting in good control of symptoms. However

experience shows that in more severe cases one needs to induce a strong local

inflammatory response to rebuild the ligaments. Patients that have a convex

convex type joints often remain unstable for life and need palliative care.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Mr Marcus,

 

Thank you very much for your precise analysis. I really appreciate that.

 

 

SUNG, Yuk-ming

[Guest guest]

I am having a lot of pain in my legs related to exercising. Can someone

recommend an anti-inflammatory? I already use Kava and Mulungu for other

ailments, and would like to find something similiar to use for the pain in my

knees, ankles and feet.

 

Thanks,

Jane