Guest guest Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 Hi, My name is John. I am planning to go to an acreditated school for Master degree of TCM. But what bothers me is that each state has different regulations regarding this field of practise. I am right now in FL. But not sure if I want to live here for ever. I don't know where I am going to be in the future at the moment. I know there are lots of L.Ac in this group. Can someone give me some insight of receiving education in FL, but very possiblly move to West (CA, Hawaii, Arizona etc)coast in the future. I know I can check each state regulations on those. But what's my chance are for being eligible for the state licensing besides the certification by NCCAOM. Any possible information is helpful. and I do appreciate any feedback. Thank you in advance, John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 John, You have some good questions and keeping an open mind will be an asset in your search. I would also encourage you to check out what students and others post about the various schools at www.tcmstudent.com Having said that where to begin? Location of living is quite an important one and some graduates have had problems due to not finding out the particulars of that state prior. As I see CA on your list, lets start there. The CA Acupuncture Board has a listing of programs, both in CA and in other states, that they recognize for licensure. You must attend one of these to sit for licensure exam. The greatest number of options are open with attendance from a CA program. The CAB school listing can be found at http://www.acupuncture.ca.gov/education/schools.htm Many programs use the NCCAOM certification exam in part or whole for licensure. On your list AZ does. CA does not recognize this exam and provides its own, which is rigorous. If you want more info about certain schools you can email me offlist and we can discuss your questions. Take care and I hope this helps. By the way, I attended a CA school and went thru the CA licensing process. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac naturaldoc1 > " jyoung6060 " <johnyoung01 >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine > Acupuncture Licensing Regulation >Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:59:54 -0000 > > >Hi, My name is John. I am planning to go to an acreditated school >for >Master degree of TCM. But what bothers me is that each state has >different regulations regarding this field of practise. I am right >now >in FL. But not sure if I want to live here for ever. I don't know >where >I >am going to be in the future at the moment. > >I know there are lots of L.Ac in this group. Can someone give me >some >insight of receiving education in FL, but very possiblly move to >West >(CA, Hawaii, Arizona etc)coast in the future. I know I can check >each >state regulations on those. But what's my chance are for being >eligible for the state licensing besides the certification by NCCAOM. > >Any possible information is helpful. and I do appreciate any >feedback. > >Thank you in advance, > >John > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 John- You might want to look at staying in FL. Fl has one of the most liberal scope of practice in the nation. jyoung6060 <johnyoung01 wrote: Hi, My name is John. I am planning to go to an acreditated school for Master degree of TCM. But what bothers me is that each state has different regulations regarding this field of practise. I am right now in FL. But not sure if I want to live here for ever. I don't know where I am going to be in the future at the moment. I know there are lots of L.Ac in this group. Can someone give me some insight of receiving education in FL, but very possiblly move to West (CA, Hawaii, Arizona etc)coast in the future. I know I can check each state regulations on those. But what's my chance are for being eligible for the state licensing besides the certification by NCCAOM. Any possible information is helpful. and I do appreciate any feedback. Thank you in advance, John http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other academics, click on this link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 Although there might be one school program working with CA style reqs....there has not been any move in Florida or in California to allow any reciprocity other than what is basic. As to the title Acupuncture Physician - Florida is the only place in the world which maintains that title and which the allopaths and Dept of Health et al are STILL trying to take it away. MDs have this idea that they OWN the designation 'physician'. Richard A. Freiberg, OMD, AP Founder/President AOMNC www.aomnc.com Mathew is correct except that Nevada is also a state with its own written exam but the issue of fragmentation is very much a concern. I have suggested this strategy in choosing a school as well. For maximum choices in licensure, consider an ACAOM and CA-recognized program (16 are in CA and 14 out of state). For the list check out the CA Acu bd website. I know that one program in FL was working on CA reqs. FL does have one of the better laws and designations (Acupuncture Physician) vs. (Licensed Acupuncturist). Mike W. Bowser, L Ac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 Hi John, While each state has different regulations regarding issues such as scope of practice, there are in essence, two licensing systems in the U.S. for Licensed Acupuncturists/TCM practitioners. All states except California utilize NCCAOM Certification/Diplomat status (or equivalent) for their licensing/certification. Some state then also require a test of their local laws, etc. California has its own exam and its own system to approve schools leading to exam. You should therefore look for a school that is both ACAOM accredited AND accredited by the California State Board if you think you may ever want to practice in California. Once you graduate, you should then take both the NCCAOM exams and travel to California and take their exam. It is very unfortunate that we have such a cleaved system. California has no reciprocity with any other state and no one here is even talking about it. Hope this info helped - Matthew Bauer - jyoung6060 Chinese Medicine Friday, April 22, 2005 10:59 AM Acupuncture Licensing Regulation Hi, My name is John. I am planning to go to an acreditated school for Master degree of TCM. But what bothers me is that each state has different regulations regarding this field of practise. I am right now in FL. But not sure if I want to live here for ever. I don't know where I am going to be in the future at the moment. I know there are lots of L.Ac in this group. Can someone give me some insight of receiving education in FL, but very possiblly move to West (CA, Hawaii, Arizona etc)coast in the future. I know I can check each state regulations on those. But what's my chance are for being eligible for the state licensing besides the certification by NCCAOM. Any possible information is helpful. and I do appreciate any feedback. Thank you in advance, John http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other academics, click on this link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 Mathew is correct except that Nevada is also a state with its own written exam but the issue of fragmentation is very much a concern. I have suggested this strategy in choosing a school as well. For maximum choices in licensure, consider an ACAOM and CA-recognized program (16 are in CA and 14 out of state). For the list check out the CA Acu bd website. I know that one program in FL was working on CA reqs. FL does have one of the better laws and designations (Acupuncture Physician) vs. (Licensed Acupuncturist). Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > " Matt Bauer " <acu.guy >Chinese Medicine ><Chinese Medicine > >Re: Acupuncture Licensing Regulation >Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:00:27 -0700 > >Hi John, >While each state has different regulations regarding issues such as scope >of practice, there are in essence, two licensing systems in the U.S. for >Licensed Acupuncturists/TCM practitioners. All states except California >utilize NCCAOM Certification/Diplomat status (or equivalent) for their >licensing/certification. Some state then also require a test of their local >laws, etc. California has its own exam and its own system to approve >schools leading to exam. You should therefore look for a school that is >both ACAOM accredited AND accredited by the California State Board if you >think you may ever want to practice in California. Once you graduate, you >should then take both the NCCAOM exams and travel to California and take >their exam. > >It is very unfortunate that we have such a cleaved system. California has >no reciprocity with any other state and no one here is even talking about >it. Hope this info helped - Matthew Bauer > > - > jyoung6060 > Chinese Medicine > Friday, April 22, 2005 10:59 AM > Acupuncture Licensing Regulation > > > > Hi, My name is John. I am planning to go to an acreditated school > for > Master degree of TCM. But what bothers me is that each state has > different regulations regarding this field of practise. I am right > now > in FL. But not sure if I want to live here for ever. I don't know > where > I > am going to be in the future at the moment. > > I know there are lots of L.Ac in this group. Can someone give me > some > insight of receiving education in FL, but very possiblly move to > West > (CA, Hawaii, Arizona etc)coast in the future. I know I can check > each > state regulations on those. But what's my chance are for being > eligible for the state licensing besides the certification by NCCAOM. > > Any possible information is helpful. and I do appreciate any > feedback. > > Thank you in advance, > > John > > > > > > >http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > and adjust >accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the >group requires prior permission from the author. > > If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other academics, > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 It is doubtful that there will be any reciprocity anytime soon, which makes school selection even more important if you want options. Right now CA recognized programs and Asian schools are the only ones that allow grads practice ops in all 50 states. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac >acudoc11 >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >Re: Acupuncture Licensing Regulation >Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:05:51 EDT > > >Although there might be one school program working with CA style >reqs....there has not been any move in Florida or in California to allow >any reciprocity >other than what is basic. > >As to the title Acupuncture Physician - Florida is the only place in the >world which maintains that title and which the allopaths and Dept of Health >et al >are STILL trying to take it away. MDs have this idea that they OWN the >designation 'physician'. > >Richard A. Freiberg, OMD, AP >Founder/President AOMNC >www.aomnc.com > > > > > >Mathew is correct except that Nevada is also a state with its own written >exam but the issue of fragmentation is very much a concern. I have >suggested this strategy in choosing a school as well. For maximum choices >in licensure, consider an ACAOM and CA-recognized program (16 are in CA and >14 out of state). For the list check out the CA Acu bd website. I know >that one program in FL was working on CA reqs. FL does have one of the >better laws and designations (Acupuncture Physician) vs. (Licensed >Acupuncturist). > > >Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Mike, thank you for your information. I have checked the CA Acupuncture Board - Approved Schools list. There is none of FL schools. You said there was one program in FL that is working on CA reqs. Could you tell me which school is it please. Another question, if I decide to go to China for the TCM program. Of course classes has to be taught in English. is there any accredited list or any TCM institutions recognized by Chinese government? Thank you. - mike Bowser Chinese Medicine Sunday, April 24, 2005 11:29 AM Re: Acupuncture Licensing Regulation Mathew is correct except that Nevada is also a state with its own written exam but the issue of fragmentation is very much a concern. I have suggested this strategy in choosing a school as well. For maximum choices in licensure, consider an ACAOM and CA-recognized program (16 are in CA and 14 out of state). For the list check out the CA Acu bd website. I know that one program in FL was working on CA reqs. FL does have one of the better laws and designations (Acupuncture Physician) vs. (Licensed Acupuncturist). Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > " Matt Bauer " <acu.guy >Chinese Medicine ><Chinese Medicine > >Re: Acupuncture Licensing Regulation >Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:00:27 -0700 > >Hi John, >While each state has different regulations regarding issues such as scope >of practice, there are in essence, two licensing systems in the U.S. for >Licensed Acupuncturists/TCM practitioners. All states except California >utilize NCCAOM Certification/Diplomat status (or equivalent) for their >licensing/certification. Some state then also require a test of their local >laws, etc. California has its own exam and its own system to approve >schools leading to exam. You should therefore look for a school that is >both ACAOM accredited AND accredited by the California State Board if you >think you may ever want to practice in California. Once you graduate, you >should then take both the NCCAOM exams and travel to California and take >their exam. > >It is very unfortunate that we have such a cleaved system. California has >no reciprocity with any other state and no one here is even talking about >it. Hope this info helped - Matthew Bauer > > - > jyoung6060 > Chinese Medicine > Friday, April 22, 2005 10:59 AM > Acupuncture Licensing Regulation > > > > Hi, My name is John. I am planning to go to an acreditated school > for > Master degree of TCM. But what bothers me is that each state has > different regulations regarding this field of practise. I am right > now > in FL. But not sure if I want to live here for ever. I don't know > where > I > am going to be in the future at the moment. > > I know there are lots of L.Ac in this group. Can someone give me > some > insight of receiving education in FL, but very possiblly move to > West > (CA, Hawaii, Arizona etc)coast in the future. I know I can check > each > state regulations on those. But what's my chance are for being > eligible for the state licensing besides the certification by NCCAOM. > > Any possible information is helpful. and I do appreciate any > feedback. > > Thank you in advance, > > John > > > > > > >http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > and adjust >accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the >group requires prior permission from the author. > > If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other academics, > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Todd Larlee L.Ac. wrote: > John- You might want to look at staying in FL. Fl has one of the > most liberal scope of practice in the nation. Hi Todd! But, you need to tell him the other side of the coin. Florida is a third world country as far as working folk's incomes go. He will have to go 5 + years with *no* income unless he is very lucky. People who have money in Florida either inherited it, married it, stole it or have been here forever and *very* gradually accumulated it. Question is, can he wait until he is 60 to make middle class if he ever even does? Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Well, not really. I live in Florida and there is a ton of money around and where I live, people are ready and willing to part with it on a whim. I would say West Palm and Boca is different from Okeechobee or Ocala. Where you are makes a huge difference in economics and what they are willing to do with their money. Chris In a message dated 4/25/2005 2:23:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, petet writes: Hi Todd! But, you need to tell him the other side of the coin. Florida is a third world country as far as working folk's incomes go. He will have to go 5 + years with *no* income unless he is very lucky. People who have money in Florida either inherited it, married it, stole it or have been here forever and *very* gradually accumulated it. Question is, can he wait until he is 60 to make middle class if he ever even does? Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 It is much worse in other parts of the country like the midwest where we have no insurance parity with the MD and DC that do acupuncture. America is becoming a third world country, not just FL. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac >Pete Theisen <petet >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >Re: Acupuncture Licensing Regulation >Mon, 25 Apr 2005 02:16:55 -0400 > >Todd Larlee L.Ac. wrote: > > John- You might want to look at staying in FL. Fl has one of the > > most liberal scope of practice in the nation. > >Hi Todd! > >But, you need to tell him the other side of the coin. Florida is a third >world country as far as working folk's incomes go. He will have to go 5 >+ years with *no* income unless he is very lucky. > >People who have money in Florida either inherited it, married it, stole >it or have been here forever and *very* gradually accumulated it. >Question is, can he wait until he is 60 to make middle class if he ever >even does? > >Regards, > >Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 East-West college has a former PCOM faculty member working on getting this program CA approved. At current time they are not. If you decide to go to China, look into the major colleges as they tend to be the most widely accepted and also cater to English. I do not think that the Chinese govt has a listing as it owns and runs everything. You might try looking for these Chinese colleges at http://www.gancao.net/ which is an excellent resource for programs. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > " John Young " <johnyoung01 >Chinese Medicine ><Chinese Medicine > >Re: Acupuncture Licensing Regulation >Sun, 24 Apr 2005 22:18:50 -0400 > >Mike, thank you for your information. I have checked the CA Acupuncture >Board - Approved Schools list. There is none of FL schools. You said >there was one program in FL that is working on CA reqs. Could you tell me >which school is it please. Another question, if I decide to go to China >for the TCM program. Of course classes has to be taught in English. is >there any accredited list or any TCM institutions recognized by Chinese >government? Thank you. > - > mike Bowser > Chinese Medicine > Sunday, April 24, 2005 11:29 AM > Re: Acupuncture Licensing Regulation > > > > Mathew is correct except that Nevada is also a state with its own >written > exam but the issue of fragmentation is very much a concern. I have > suggested this strategy in choosing a school as well. For maximum >choices > in licensure, consider an ACAOM and CA-recognized program (16 are in CA >and > 14 out of state). For the list check out the CA Acu bd website. I know > that one program in FL was working on CA reqs. FL does have one of the > better laws and designations (Acupuncture Physician) vs. (Licensed > Acupuncturist). > > > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > > " Matt Bauer " <acu.guy > >Chinese Medicine > ><Chinese Medicine > > >Re: Acupuncture Licensing Regulation > >Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:00:27 -0700 > > > >Hi John, > >While each state has different regulations regarding issues such as >scope > >of practice, there are in essence, two licensing systems in the U.S. >for > >Licensed Acupuncturists/TCM practitioners. All states except California > >utilize NCCAOM Certification/Diplomat status (or equivalent) for their > >licensing/certification. Some state then also require a test of their >local > >laws, etc. California has its own exam and its own system to approve > >schools leading to exam. You should therefore look for a school that is > >both ACAOM accredited AND accredited by the California State Board if >you > >think you may ever want to practice in California. Once you graduate, >you > >should then take both the NCCAOM exams and travel to California and >take > >their exam. > > > >It is very unfortunate that we have such a cleaved system. California >has > >no reciprocity with any other state and no one here is even talking >about > >it. Hope this info helped - Matthew Bauer > > > > - > > jyoung6060 > > Chinese Medicine > > Friday, April 22, 2005 10:59 AM > > Acupuncture Licensing Regulation > > > > > > > > Hi, My name is John. I am planning to go to an acreditated school > > for > > Master degree of TCM. But what bothers me is that each state has > > different regulations regarding this field of practise. I am right > > now > > in FL. But not sure if I want to live here for ever. I don't know > > where > > I > > am going to be in the future at the moment. > > > > I know there are lots of L.Ac in this group. Can someone give me > > some > > insight of receiving education in FL, but very possiblly move to > > West > > (CA, Hawaii, Arizona etc)coast in the future. I know I can check > > each > > state regulations on those. But what's my chance are for being > > eligible for the state licensing besides the certification by >NCCAOM. > > > > Any possible information is helpful. and I do appreciate any > > feedback. > > > > Thank you in advance, > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > To translate this message, copy and paste it into this web link >page, > >http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > > > > and >adjust > >accordingly. > > > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the > >group requires prior permission from the author. > > > > If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other >academics, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Pete wrote, People who have money in Florida either inherited it, married it, stole it or have been here forever and *very* gradually accumulated it. Question is, can he wait until he is 60 to make middle class if he ever even does? Hi Pete, You seem to make regular blanket statements especially about money in fact you seem quite bitter in some posts. Surely there other possibilities besides the ones you mentioned? There must be people in our profession who are doing well in your neck of the woods who haven't stolen it or been supported by a rich spouse? I think to specialize is the key, people always want a specialist in their area of need, from there they can be helped with other problems. Prospective clients ALWAYS want to know WHY to visit you over Joe blow down the road. If you specialize and become a " BACK MAN " or a " Asthma guru " etc etc your practice will build on that. It is not really about competition either, just attaining excellence with a particular condition will get them calling you, which leads onto their friends and family.... if you really help them, especially if you help them quickly as a specialist should. Then you can make money and enjoy yourself much more without having worry about money all the time. It REALLY is that simple but requires so much effort(as you know)but this our chosen profession so what else are we going to do but this? Regards Ray Ford http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group requires prior permission from the author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Missed the original post, but I have had a clinic in St. Pete florida for 2 years and we are doing great, working with mostly internal medicine, about 50 patients a week, 40% or more of our patients take raw herbs (thats right we do't even have powders) and we are not chinese so don't have that as a draw. We just work hard at medicine and marketing.....We find Florida a great place to work/practice/live. What ever you want it is there, ya just have to seek it out or create it....everywhere is the same, just different climates and accents. Bob Linde, AP, RH (AHG) www.acuherbals.com ray ford <rford wrote: Pete wrote, People who have money in Florida either inherited it, married it, stole it or have been here forever and *very* gradually accumulated it. Question is, can he wait until he is 60 to make middle class if he ever even does? Hi Pete, You seem to make regular blanket statements especially about money in fact you seem quite bitter in some posts. Surely there other possibilities besides the ones you mentioned? There must be people in our profession who are doing well in your neck of the woods who haven't stolen it or been supported by a rich spouse? I think to specialize is the key, people always want a specialist in their area of need, from there they can be helped with other problems. Prospective clients ALWAYS want to know WHY to visit you over Joe blow down the road. If you specialize and become a " BACK MAN " or a " Asthma guru " etc etc your practice will build on that. It is not really about competition either, just attaining excellence with a particular condition will get them calling you, which leads onto their friends and family.... if you really help them, especially if you help them quickly as a specialist should. Then you can make money and enjoy yourself much more without having worry about money all the time. It REALLY is that simple but requires so much effort(as you know)but this our chosen profession so what else are we going to do but this? Regards Ray Ford http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group requires prior permission from the author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 America is becoming a third world country, not just FL. >>>>>That is the goal of the people currently in power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Amen. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > " " <alonmarcus >Chinese Medicine ><Chinese Medicine > >Re: Acupuncture Licensing Regulation >Mon, 25 Apr 2005 09:45:52 -0500 > >America is >becoming a third world country, not just FL. > >>>>>That is the goal of the people currently in power > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Yes Alon. I have often said the same thing. Let's hold a positive vision for America and get proactive when we can. Take Care, Anne wrote: > America is > becoming a third world country, not just FL. > >>>>>That is the goal of the people currently in power > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Pete- I have no firsthand experience of what biz is like in FL. I do have a colleague who moved from LA to FL about a year ago. He is treating around 30 pts a week. He has told me that there is a lot of money in his area. So far, his experience and practice have been going great. As far as getting patients who can afford acupuncture there are many practice management and building systems out there now. Here are 2 websites to look at: www.davidsingerenterprises.com www.theacupreneur.com I do not use either of these systems personally but have great things about both. Another site is www.100kacupuncture.com. This site is run by Honora Lee Wolfe(sp) who runs practice management seminars around the country. Hope this helps- Pete Theisen <petet wrote: Larlee L.Ac. wrote: > John- You might want to look at staying in FL. Fl has one of the > most liberal scope of practice in the nation. Hi Todd! But, you need to tell him the other side of the coin. Florida is a third world country as far as working folk's incomes go. He will have to go 5 + years with *no* income unless he is very lucky. People who have money in Florida either inherited it, married it, stole it or have been here forever and *very* gradually accumulated it. Question is, can he wait until he is 60 to make middle class if he ever even does? Regards, Pete http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other academics, click on this link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 www.davidsingerenterprises.com >>>>>>>> To use this you better be ready to be a hard core sales person, it does work if you are willing. My partner built his practice fairly quickly but he gives talks and sales several times a week. I could never do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 You are ALL correct about practicing in Florida. Its a big and diverse state. I have lived in Gainesville (north central) area where it is very difficult to make a living and in Ft. Lauderdale (south eastern), where there seems to be lots of money but also has a very high cost of living. Each area here seems to have its own personality and economics. Chinese Medicine Chinese MedicineOn Behalf Of Todd Larlee L.Ac. Monday, April 25, 2005 4:30 PM Chinese Medicine Re: Acupuncture Licensing Regulation Pete- I have no firsthand experience of what biz is like in FL. I do have a colleague who moved from LA to FL about a year ago. He is treating around 30 pts a week. He has told me that there is a lot of money in his area. So far, his experience and practice have been going great. As far as getting patients who can afford acupuncture there are many practice management and building systems out there now. Here are 2 websites to look at: www.davidsingerenterprises.com www.theacupreneur.com I do not use either of these systems personally but have great things about both. Another site is www.100kacupuncture.com. This site is run by Honora Lee Wolfe(sp) who runs practice management seminars around the country. Hope this helps- Todd Pete Theisen <petet wrote: Todd Larlee L.Ac. wrote: > John- You might want to look at staying in FL. Fl has one of the > most liberal scope of practice in the nation. Hi Todd! But, you need to tell him the other side of the coin. Florida is a third world country as far as working folk's incomes go. He will have to go 5 + years with *no* income unless he is very lucky. People who have money in Florida either inherited it, married it, stole it or have been here forever and *very* gradually accumulated it. Question is, can he wait until he is 60 to make middle class if he ever even does? Regards, Pete http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Musiclear wrote: > > > Well, not really. I live in Florida and there is a ton of money > around Hi Chris! Here in Sarasota it is as I said, a lot of money but not for working people. Getting a keg of beer is whim, getting an acupuncture treatment is serious decision. Folks around here will pay anything for beer and nothing for health care. If the insurance doesn't pay it they don't want it. Where in Florida are you? Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 mike Bowser wrote: > It is much worse in other parts of the country like the midwest where > we have no insurance parity with the MD and DC that do acupuncture. > America is becoming a third world country, not just FL. Hi Mike! Thanks, I feel better starving now. Misery loves company. Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 ray ford wrote: <snip> > People who have money in Florida either inherited it, married it, > stole <snip> > You seem to make regular blanket statements especially about money <snip> Hi Ray! Oh yes, that is indeed a blanket statement. I didn't mean that to sound like any acupuncturist stole money, I was making a reference to the billionaires living on the beach who CEOed their way here a la Enron, World Com, you know . . . They come here with ill-gotten billions and won't pay anything for services, they want everything free or better yet, paid for by someone else. They elbow you out of the check-out line at Publix, with all their money too cheap to hire someone to do their shopping. I posted that because it sounded like the guy was encouraging people to come to Florida to practice and I don't think that is currently good advice. We have at least 50 acupuncturists in town and I would say there is *one* that I think makes decent money, and yes, there is a millionaire behind that practice. If your office decor cost $150,000 and you rent for $5000 a month I guess the rich folks will like to come to you. I don't really want to specialize, I want to work on the kind of cases I am working on now, just a lot more of them. Central to that is Medicare coverage, which will lead the rest of the insurance carriers to follow suit. First thing people ask on the phone is " do you take Medicare. " Well, yes, I do, insurance too - it amounts to treating the patient for the co-pay, but I take it. If their part B or insurance reimburses their co-pay from my super-bill then my services are 100% free to them. If effort would do it it would already be done in 10 years of effort. I think it is starting to look like it takes 20 years of effort. I am 60 now, I will be dead in 10 years or at least too old to practice, won't I .. . . Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Bob Linde,AP, Herbalist wrote: > Missed the original post, but I have had a clinic in St. Pete florida > for 2 years and we are doing great, working with mostly internal > medicine, about 50 patients a week, 40% or more of our patients take > raw herbs (thats right we do't even have powders) and we are not > chinese so don't have that as a draw. We just work hard at medicine > and marketing.....We find Florida a great place to > work/practice/live. What ever you want it is there, ya just have to > seek it out or create it....everywhere is the same, just different > climates and accents. > > Bob Linde, AP, RH (AHG) www.acuherbals.com Hi Bob! Well, maybe it is just peculiar to Sarasota then, glad to hear that you are doing so well. Or maybe I don't have the personality to be a business success. Of course, " we " wouldn't have gone into it with a lot of family or personal money to begin with now, would we? Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 wrote: > America is > becoming a third world country, not just FL. > >>>>>>That is the goal of the people currently in power Hi Alon! Ha! It was the goal of the people previously in power as well. Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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