Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2005 i have a friend who uses them to make her own cleaning supplies so there are no noxious chemicals in them. ramona Quoting lavenderhealer <ebonysunflower: > I am just curious if anyone uses essential oils for more than just > aromatherapy? > I am finding that I like the results that I am getting from oils. > A friend of mine likes young living oils, I have done some research > and am not sure if I like that company. (Not sure if I can list the > company name if not please let me know) Just wondering others views on > oils and where you get them. You can email me directly if you are not > allowed to post companies (I am in Canada) > ebonysunflower > Thanks > Kisha > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural > remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from > list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members > free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2005 Ramona, I also use oils for that purpose, I find that oils work even better than the chemical cleaners. hugs Kisha It's hard to remember, it's hard to remember We're alive for the first time It's hard to remember were alive for the last time It's hard to remember, it's hard to remember To live before you die It's hard to remember, it's hard to remember That our lives are such a short time It's hard to remember, it's hard to remember When it takes such a long time It's hard to remember, it's hard to remember: © Modest Mouse ---- ramona 08/23/05 11:36:21 herbal remedies Re: Herbal Remedies - essential oils i have a friend who uses them to make her own cleaning supplies so there are no noxious chemicals in them. ramona Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 24, 2005 Hi Kisha... Yep I use essential oils in almond oil for massaging... i use a mix of lemon grass for a natural mosquito repellant. I use lavender in my mosturizer. I put a drop on linens and light bulbs.... well, you get the idea. spot herbal remedies , " lavenderhealer " <ebonysunflower@s...> wrote: > I am just curious if anyone uses essential oils for more than just > aromatherapy? > I am finding that I like the results that I am getting from oils. > A friend of mine likes young living oils, I have done some research > and am not sure if I like that company. (Not sure if I can list the > company name if not please let me know) Just wondering others views on > oils and where you get them. You can email me directly if you are not > allowed to post companies (I am in Canada) > ebonysunflower@s... > Thanks > Kisha Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 24, 2005 i would love some recipies for these things! ramona Quoting Kisha <ebonysunflower: > Ramona, > > I also use oils for that purpose, I find that oils work even better than the > chemical cleaners. > hugs > Kisha > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 24, 2005 Google essential oil recipes and tons of books on this with wonderful recipes. - ramona herbal remedies Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:11 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - essential oils i would love some recipies for these things!ramonaQuoting Kisha <ebonysunflower:> Ramona,>> I also use oils for that purpose, I find that oils work even better than the> chemical cleaners.> hugs> Kisha> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 24, 2005 I am a massage therapist who insists on EVERYTHING in and around my body being as natural as possible. I do indeed use oils not only for aromatherapy but also in my cleaning products (which I make but don't sell). My disinfectant is as follows: a spray bottle from a home improvement store filled with reverse osmosis or distilled water, about 30-40 drops of grapeFRUIT seed extract (NOT grapeseed extract) and about 10 drops of either lemon, orange, lime (or a combo of 2 or all 3) essential oils. I figure it gives my cleaning solution a mild fresh scent AND the added bonus of extra grease- cutting, germ-killing power. I generally buy the NowFoods brand, but I'm not affiliated with them in any way, nor am I exclusive to them if I find another line of bonafide essential oils while shopping. One word of caution, however: make SURE it says ESSENTIAL oil, and NOT FRAGRANCE oil. Fragrances are artificial and often irritating. You also don't want anything that smells perfume-y or has alcohol undertones. Pure essential oil is where it's at. If it's mixed with a little purified water for dilution, that's usually OK, but draw the line there when it comes to ingredients. Beware, and read your labels. If you get the feeling about a company that they're all about the hype and not genuine, move on. Blessings, --Jyoti/Jeni-Laura herbal remedies , " lavenderhealer " <ebonysunflower@s...> wrote: > I am just curious if anyone uses essential oils for more than just > aromatherapy? > I am finding that I like the results that I am getting from oils. > A friend of mine likes young living oils, I have done some research > and am not sure if I like that company. (Not sure if I can list the > company name if not please let me know) Just wondering others views on > oils and where you get them. You can email me directly if you are not > allowed to post companies (I am in Canada) > ebonysunflower@s... > Thanks > Kisha Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2005 You might try www.evb-aromatherapy.com . They do a lot of quality testing. Gayla Roberts Always Enough Ranch Acampo, California Check out our SALE PAGE at www.bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenoughhobbysale.html A day without Bill Barnhill is like a day without sunshine! goatclearing http://coloredboers.home.att.net/always.html No one ever gets far unless he accomplishes the impossible at least once a day. Elbert Hubbard - <naturesnotionsnj Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:29 PM Essential Oils > > Ok..I've realized that I've fed my addiction to FO's for far too long and > have really neglected ordering more essential oils. Does any one have a > base > list of what I should really keep on hand at all times? At the moment > the > only ones that I have are: Patchouli, Ylang-ylang, Orange, and Tea tree. > Also, can anyone recommend any supplier that maybe does sampler packs on > EO's. (like 5 - 1oz bottles for however much) > I feel that it would be easier for me than just dumping a lot of > money(cause > I've been pricing them, oh my!!) on huge bottles that I may not even use. > > TIA > Michelle > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2005 Good Morning, Tia. No worries, everyone gets hooked on the smell good stuff! FO's are wonderful for many things. It's exciting that you are interested in further developing your knowledge and experience with EO's. You have a good start on your base supply. I only work with EO's, I have specifically chosen 75 EO's that I work with daily. The EO's I use are " medicinal grade " , which means instead of 5 drops for a recipe, you'd use 2. They don't need to be refrigerated and can even be left uncapped for years without any evaporation. That's because they are very pure. You definitely don't want to do what I did when I started and that was waste money on EO's from 8 different companies that all smelled grassy and like alcohol. The evaporated, didn't absorb into my skin but left an oily residue on top and they were terrible. I spent thousands investigating oils until I found the direct importer that I use now. I use my EO's in a medical practice, both for Aromatherapy and Complimentary Alternative Medicine so, I wanted to find the best for me and my patients and clients. If you don't like the oils, you can send them back within 7 days and I'll you'll pay for is the shipping. That's how much I believe in my EO's quality. I don't normally sell a sample pack, but, I'm always so excited to hear from someone who is so interested in EO's that I'd be happy to put one together for you at a good discounted rate. All 1 oz. sizes and, of course, all shipped in glass bottles, packaged well and insured. I usually ship USPS priority flat rate so they would get there fast. What 5 or 6 EO's you would like/need as a starting point depends on what you plan to do with them. Are you making toiletries such as soaps, lotions, etc. or fragrances, or healing blended oils? They don't have to be high dollar choices to start with. I would recommend 1 oz. each of: Lavender $25, Eucalyptus $12, Lemongrass $17, Peppermint $20 and Rosemary $12.50 to start. If you can squeeze it in, I would also add Birch White $12. With what you have and these, you can make some wonderful combinations. Your cost stays well under $100, including tax and shipping: without Birch, EO's would run $86.50, with Birch it would still be only $99.00. Also, check the grade on your Ylang-Ylang. Is it First Grade Extra? That's the best. I'll skip tax, since I'll be sending out of state and shipping is only $7.70. And remember, if you don't think they're the best you've ever used. Give me a call and we can send them back. I accept Visa/MC, too. I'm not just trying to gain you as a customer, I truly know, from experience, that these are quality oils and I want your first real dive into EO's to be a good experience. Whatever your decision, always research your EO's to insure they are either cold pressed or steam distilled. These types of oils remain natural. Avoid anything that is solvent distilled if possible. Let me know if you're interested and I'll send them out to you tomorrow. If not, best of luck and enjoy the world of EO's! Katherine - naturesnotionsnj<naturesnotionsnj < > Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:29 PM Essential Oils Ok..I've realized that I've fed my addiction to FO's for far too long and have really neglected ordering more essential oils. Does any one have a base list of what I should really keep on hand at all times? At the moment the only ones that I have are: Patchouli, Ylang-ylang, Orange, and Tea tree. Also, can anyone recommend any supplier that maybe does sampler packs on EO's. (like 5 - 1oz bottles for however much) I feel that it would be easier for me than just dumping a lot of money(cause I've been pricing them, oh my!!) on huge bottles that I may not even use. TIA Michelle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2005 Oops, sorry listees - I'm not awake yet. I meant that email to Michelle to be private and, also, sorry Michelle - I saw the TIA at the end of your email and was so excited - I used it as your name. Sorry, all. I'd better go have my cup of energy tea. Katherine Quillen Mother Earth's Apothecary 305-468-9932 - naturesnotionsnj<naturesnotionsnj < > Thursday, September 29, 2005 8:29 PM Essential Oils Ok..I've realized that I've fed my addiction to FO's for far too long and have really neglected ordering more essential oils. Does any one have a base list of what I should really keep on hand at all times? At the moment the only ones that I have are: Patchouli, Ylang-ylang, Orange, and Tea tree. Also, can anyone recommend any supplier that maybe does sampler packs on EO's. (like 5 - 1oz bottles for however much) I feel that it would be easier for me than just dumping a lot of money(cause I've been pricing them, oh my!!) on huge bottles that I may not even use. TIA Michelle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2005 , " Mother Earth's Apothecary " <motherearthsapothecary@m...> wrote: > > I only work with EO's, I have specifically chosen 75 EO's that I work with daily. The EO's I use are " medicinal grade " , which means instead of 5 drops for a recipe, you'd use 2. They don't need to be refrigerated and can even be left uncapped for years without any evaporation. That's because they are very pure. Hi Michelle: I have to admit the above statements stopped me in my tracks, for two reasons: 1. Essential oils are " volatile " - that means that they disapate into the air very quickly, hence perfume or oils applied to the skin can't be smelled in an hour or two (there are some exceptions, of course, like the base notes of vetiver, lovely sandalwood, spikenard, etc.) 2. The other information you share - " medicinal grade " , no refrigeration - sound suspiciously like the incorrect information used by a local con artist who sells his oils to his students. He's the only person I've ever heard use the term medicinal grade and no refrigeration. I visited one of his franchise stores here and the poor girl was mortified to learn she had bunk rose oil (orangey FO stuff) and terrible stock. She had invested $10k and had to sue him. IMO, he's a local version of Gary Young, without the scandals. He advocates women squirt a pipette of undiluted lavender oil into their vaginas for infections down there! Just a horrible con artist, and dangerous, too. But I'm rambling. Research, and also hundreds of years of experience with essential oils has shown that they need to be stored tightly-capped, in dark bottles, away from light and heat. You definitely don't want to do what I did when I started and that was waste money on EO's from 8 different companies that all smelled grassy and like alcohol. The evaporated, didn't absorb into my skin but left an oily residue on top and they were terrible. I'm sorry you purchased from junk companies -- there are many out there. But any EO SHOULD evaporate. 100% I spent thousands investigating oils until I found the direct importer that I use now. I use my EO's in a medical practice, both for Aromatherapy and Complimentary Alternative Medicine so, I wanted to find the best for me and my patients and clients. Yow. I just saw CAM. Oy, you are working with him. Double yow. I'll bet he insists you buy only from him, from some source in Jersey. If I'm wrong, I apologize in advance. It's just all too coincidental, my alarm bells are going off. > They don't have to be high dollar choices to start with. I would recommend 1 oz. each of: Lavender $25, Eucalyptus $12, Lemongrass $17, Peppermint $20 and Rosemary $12.50 to start. If you can squeeze it in, I would also add Birch White $12. Michelle, email me privately if you wish to discuss the dangers of Birch White, because I don't have the time right now to find Butch's epic on that subject, but I'll search for it for you. Otherwise, you can search the archives here. It might even be in the Files section. Terribly dangerous stuff if use for prolonged periods of time. Sorry to rock your boat. I'm just truly shocked by some of the statements and want to figure out what's going on, not for me, I'm secure in my EO experience and usage and sources, but for the others reading this. http://naturalperfumery.com The premier site on the Web to discover the beauty of Natural Perfume " The Age of the Foodie is passé. It is now the Age of the Scentie. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2005 Hi Anya, Mine name is actually Katherine and I wrote the email. I don't want to write a rambling email addressing all your points, but I will say this: I'm familiar with whom you are speaking of and no, I don't buy anything from him or his franchises. I agree, he's dangerous. I avoid them. I did take their course and found more danger than anything useful. I'm also certified by The Center for Complimentary Alternative Medicine and have a degree in Psychology. The phrases ACAM and CAM can also be noted on Journal of American Medicine along with current medical practices, research and protocols. That said, I certainly respect your experience and opinion and that of others on the list. That is why, even when I see something I don't agree with, I don't come out attacking. I'm not interested in catty bickering. I'm very secure in my knowledge and usage of essential oils and herbs. Way before this became a popular hobby and business, I lived it. Being a Navajo raised in New Mexico gave me experiences that NO school or home study course can EVER teach anyone. I do store my EO's in a room that has full AC that keeps median temperature at 58-69 degrees, year-round. There is a heavy black out shade on those windows so no sunlight gets into the room and, naturally, I keep them capped and in dark colored bottles. My point was, I've purchased EO's from other businesses to compare them and I've had some that evaporate in 2-3 days! Thanks, but no thanks. Good EO's should evaporate, slowly, not overnight. There are many companies out there, some good, some excellent and some crappy. As I advised Michelle, she should investigate and test for herself and if someone buys my oils and doesn't like them. They can return them and I'll give them a refund, no questions asked. EO's are volatile, but, as you know, have different " notes " and will last in the air or on skin based on the density of the molecular structure for that particular oil. Most common EO's are high notes and the fragrance isn't intended to last long but the effects of the EO are still reactionary. I don't advocate that anyone squirt EO's into anything, let alone mucosa orifices. Regarding the dangers of Birch White - anyone who reads this, please DO research it. Check the past posts but do not limit yourself to this chat group, review JAMA, the Aromatherapist Reference Guide, the German E Commision's report on Essential Oils, the Essential Oil Safety book and many others to make your own educated choices. I do not advocate the use of any EO in an excessive manner or for a prolonged period. Even Rose, Jasmine and Lavender have warnings for chronic headache or seizures when over exposed. I hope no offense is taken. I hold no grudges. Anya and I have emailed before both on the group and off about other things. I enjoy her website and I'm certain that she is a talented and knowledgeable perfumer. I'm always happy to answer any questions or concerns offline. Thank you. Katherine - rastapoodle<mccoy < > Friday, September 30, 2005 6:08 PM Re: Essential Oils < >, " Mother Earth's Apothecary " <motherearthsapothecary@m<motherearthsapothecary@m>...> wrote: > > I only work with EO's, I have specifically chosen 75 EO's that I work with daily. The EO's I use are " medicinal grade " , which means instead of 5 drops for a recipe, you'd use 2. They don't need to be refrigerated and can even be left uncapped for years without any evaporation. That's because they are very pure. Hi Michelle: I have to admit the above statements stopped me in my tracks, for two reasons: 1. Essential oils are " volatile " - that means that they disapate into the air very quickly, hence perfume or oils applied to the skin can't be smelled in an hour or two (there are some exceptions, of course, like the base notes of vetiver, lovely sandalwood, spikenard, etc.) 2. The other information you share - " medicinal grade " , no refrigeration - sound suspiciously like the incorrect information used by a local con artist who sells his oils to his students. He's the only person I've ever heard use the term medicinal grade and no refrigeration. I visited one of his franchise stores here and the poor girl was mortified to learn she had bunk rose oil (orangey FO stuff) and terrible stock. She had invested $10k and had to sue him. IMO, he's a local version of Gary Young, without the scandals. He advocates women squirt a pipette of undiluted lavender oil into their vaginas for infections down there! Just a horrible con artist, and dangerous, too. But I'm rambling. Research, and also hundreds of years of experience with essential oils has shown that they need to be stored tightly-capped, in dark bottles, away from light and heat. You definitely don't want to do what I did when I started and that was waste money on EO's from 8 different companies that all smelled grassy and like alcohol. The evaporated, didn't absorb into my skin but left an oily residue on top and they were terrible. I'm sorry you purchased from junk companies -- there are many out there. But any EO SHOULD evaporate. 100% I spent thousands investigating oils until I found the direct importer that I use now. I use my EO's in a medical practice, both for Aromatherapy and Complimentary Alternative Medicine so, I wanted to find the best for me and my patients and clients. Yow. I just saw CAM. Oy, you are working with him. Double yow. I'll bet he insists you buy only from him, from some source in Jersey. If I'm wrong, I apologize in advance. It's just all too coincidental, my alarm bells are going off. > They don't have to be high dollar choices to start with. I would recommend 1 oz. each of: Lavender $25, Eucalyptus $12, Lemongrass $17, Peppermint $20 and Rosemary $12.50 to start. If you can squeeze it in, I would also add Birch White $12. Michelle, email me privately if you wish to discuss the dangers of Birch White, because I don't have the time right now to find Butch's epic on that subject, but I'll search for it for you. Otherwise, you can search the archives here. It might even be in the Files section. Terribly dangerous stuff if use for prolonged periods of time. Sorry to rock your boat. I'm just truly shocked by some of the statements and want to figure out what's going on, not for me, I'm secure in my EO experience and usage and sources, but for the others reading this. 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Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2005 At 03:51 PM 9/30/2005, you wrote: >The EO's I use are " medicinal grade " , which means instead of 5 drops for a >recipe, you'd use 2. They don't need to be refrigerated and can even be >left uncapped for years without any evaporation. That's because they are >very pure. um.... to the best of my knowledge there IS no such thing as 'medical grade' essential oils. now, there's pure or adulterated, there's conventionally farmed or organic... but... that's about it. now...re leaving pure essential oils " uncapped for years " I don't THINK so. by definition, essential oils are VOLATILE substances...that means that 1. they evaporate quickly and 2. they will change when in contact with oxygen. leave some beautiful black spruce essential oil exposed to the air and in far too short a time you will have a gunky, terpiney MESS. now, some...the heavier (usually root oils)... vetiver, sandalwood, frankincense, will take MUCH longer to evaporate off... but they still will. this is terribly misleading advise. >I would recommend 1 oz. each of: Lavender $25, which lavender? French? Bulgarian? English? US? > Eucalyptus $12, Which eucalyptus. Globulous? Radiata? Smithii? rectified or unrectified? >Lemongrass $17, Where is it grown, please? >Peppermint $20 again, US? Chinese? Indian? European? they are all quite different. >and Rosemary $12.50 which chemotype? verbenon? cineole? camphor? > to start. If you can squeeze it in, I would also add Birch White $12. you do give appropriate safety warnings if you are advising newcomers to aromatherapy to purchase Birch I hope? > Is it First Grade Extra? That's the best. well, actually... there's Ylangylang extra, ylangylang one two and three... I don't believe there's a " first extra " ... I would strongly suggest that any newcomer to the healing art of aromatherapy spend some time investigating the information that SHOULD be given when essential oils are described. Celebrating 10 years online. Supplying pure Essential Oils, Aromatherapy Accessories, Information and more! Visit us at: <http://www.naturesgift.com> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 30, 2005 At 03:51 PM 9/30/2005, you wrote: > Ok..I've realized that I've fed my addiction to FO's for far too long and > have really neglected ordering more essential oils. Does any one have > a base > list of what I should really keep on hand at all times? At the > moment the > only ones that I have are: Patchouli, Ylang-ylang, Orange, and Tea tree. > Also, can anyone recommend any supplier that maybe does sampler packs on > EO's. (like 5 - 1oz bottles for however much) > I feel that it would be easier for me than just dumping a lot > of money(cause > I've been pricing them, oh my!!) on huge bottles that I may not even use. Michelle, since most oils do NOT have an unlimited shelf life, you would perhaps do better to START with " standard retail sizes " ...usually 10 or 15 ml. theoils that you love and will use can be repurchased in larger sizes. For what it is worth, NAHA recommends 12 basic oils be taught in any introductory course. they are: Clary Sage Roman Chamomile Euc Globulous geranium Lavender Lemon Orange peppermint rose otto Rosemary TeaTree Ylangylang You might do an online search for " essential oil kits " or " aromatherapy kits " and see who offers what. (to the above I would add helichrysum, for healing!) Start with minimum quantities, rather than one ounce... also thinking that patchouli and orange is SO pretty together Celebrating 10 years online. Supplying pure Essential Oils, Aromatherapy Accessories, Information and more! Visit us at: <http://www.naturesgift.com> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 1, 2005 Great listing of basic oils, Marge. I've seen that on NAHA as well. I like Orange and Ylang-Ylang together, too. Peaceful and soft. - Marge Clark<marge < > Friday, September 30, 2005 6:58 PM Re: essential oils At 03:51 PM 9/30/2005, you wrote: > Ok..I've realized that I've fed my addiction to FO's for far too long and > have really neglected ordering more essential oils. Does any one have > a base > list of what I should really keep on hand at all times? At the > moment the > only ones that I have are: Patchouli, Ylang-ylang, Orange, and Tea tree. > Also, can anyone recommend any supplier that maybe does sampler packs on > EO's. (like 5 - 1oz bottles for however much) > I feel that it would be easier for me than just dumping a lot > of money(cause > I've been pricing them, oh my!!) on huge bottles that I may not even use. Michelle, since most oils do NOT have an unlimited shelf life, you would perhaps do better to START with " standard retail sizes " ...usually 10 or 15 ml. theoils that you love and will use can be repurchased in larger sizes. For what it is worth, NAHA recommends 12 basic oils be taught in any introductory course. they are: Clary Sage Roman Chamomile Euc Globulous geranium Lavender Lemon Orange peppermint rose otto Rosemary TeaTree Ylangylang You might do an online search for " essential oil kits " or " aromatherapy kits " and see who offers what. (to the above I would add helichrysum, for healing!) Start with minimum quantities, rather than one ounce... also thinking that patchouli and orange is SO pretty together Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 1, 2005 this is kinda off topic of this discussion... but my house is kinda hot, is it a good idea to put my EO's in the refridgerator?? i've never heard of that. they are in dark glass, in a box and in a dark room... but that room is kinda warm. please advise. thanks ladies, melanie p.s. did i mention i'm new, there will be lots of questions! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 1, 2005 Chris - Can I get a little help here...I'm being attacked and I don't appreciate it. Ouch, Marge. Was that really necessary? And to think, I'd just posted a compliment to you.... I refuse to get attacked or involved in a prolonged defensive posture over this, so to anyone else who feels they know everything, please don't copy me on your post about this subject. If you have a non-aggressively postured opinion, I'd be happy to review it. Medicinal or Therapeutic Grade EO's do exist, as do EO's that are harvesting via cold press or steam distillation, non-solvent extracted. Research it for yourself. I had forgotten how literal some people on this list are when it comes to other peoples posting. It's a good think we're not all like that or mistakes and over excitement would be getting edited daily. Once again, please excuse me if there is any misunderstanding of my over-statement...I do not leave oils uncapped, let alone for years. My point was just that oils should not evaporate in 2-3 days. I don't know anyone who leaves oils uncapped at all, let alone for " years " . Also, do you have any experience with the many archeological digs in which ancient casks were found that still contained olive oil? By the way, that does come in cold pressed and first pressed. If we differ on our opinion here, so be it but I'm not going to continue to debate about it. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. The only " gunky terpiney mess " (are those actually words?) that I've ever come in contact with are those I've bought from elsewhere before I found my supply routes. I'm not rude enough to mention the locations here, I don't feel that's appropriate behavior, but I assure you, NONE of my EO's smell like that. The rest of your accusations are answered in BLUE below. Thank you, for your comments and may you have much success and happiness. Katherine - Marge Clark<marge < > Friday, September 30, 2005 6:53 PM Re: Essential Oils At 03:51 PM 9/30/2005, you wrote: >The EO's I use are " medicinal grade " , which means instead of 5 drops for a >recipe, you'd use 2. They don't need to be refrigerated and can even be >left uncapped for years without any evaporation. That's because they are >very pure. um.... to the best of my knowledge there IS no such thing as 'medical grade' essential oils. now, there's pure or adulterated, there's conventionally farmed or organic... but... that's about it. Addressed Above now...re leaving pure essential oils " uncapped for years " I don't THINK so. by definition, essential oils are VOLATILE substances...that means that 1. they evaporate quickly and 2. they will change when in contact with oxygen. Addressed Above leave some beautiful black spruce essential oil exposed to the air and in far too short a time you will have a gunky, terpiney MESS. (couldn't find these words anywhere) now, some...the heavier (usually root oils)... vetiver, sandalwood, frankincense, will take MUCH longer to evaporate off... but they still will. I do believe the first email I sent out in my defense, (how sad), discussed the notes of EO's. this is terribly misleading advise. Thank you, what a nice thing to say and send out to a group. I'm sure it made you feel good to do that. >I would recommend 1 oz. each of: Lavender $25, which lavender? French? Bulgarian? English? US? > Eucalyptus $12, Which eucalyptus. Globulous? Radiata? Smithii? rectified or unrectified? >Lemongrass $17, Where is it grown, please? East India. Furthermore, here's some more info on Lemongrass: Lemongrass, a perennial herb widely cultivated in the tropics and subtropics, designates two different species, East Indian, Cymbopogon flexuosus (DC.) Stapf., and West Indian, Cymbopogon citratus (DC. ex Nees) Stapf. East Indian lemongrass, also known as cochin or Malabar grass is native to India, while West Indian lemongrass is native to southern India and Ceylon. >Peppermint $20 again, US? Chinese? Indian? European? they are all quite different. >and Rosemary $12.50 which chemotype? verbenon? cineole? camphor? > to start. If you can squeeze it in, I would also add Birch White $12. you do give appropriate safety warnings if you are advising newcomers to aromatherapy to purchase Birch I hope? Yes, I do. As stated in my first defense email, I do not advocate the use or abuse of ANY EO and I ALWAYS advocate education of oneself. > Is it First Grade Extra? That's the best. well, actually... there's Ylangylang extra, ylangylang one two and three... I don't believe there's a " first extra " ... Simply put, wrong. Below is a excerpt: I will just focus on one oil, because if I try to introduce you to all the oils that have come in during the last two months if will be to huge of a document. Over the next two weeks I will be sending out a series of smaller newsletters so that you can read about the oils that you are interested in and zap the ones that you are not. I will also include a number of valuable website links that can help you find out more information about the oils. The oil of today is Ylang Ylang with special reference to what is known as Ylang Ylang Superior Extra. As you are most likely aware Ylang Ylang is generally offered in what is known as fractions: Extra, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. Another oil is offered which is known as a complete. Generally companies involved in preparing the different fractions of Ylang Ylang add the fractions together in specific proportions to form the Complete. There is one more grade that is rarely offered which is called the Ylang Ylang Superior Extra Grade. It is considered by many to represent the most lovely notes of Ylang Ylang. The Superior Extra Grade cannot be prepared in all locations where the tree grows. One of the most superior climates for growing Ylang Ylang is on the island of Mayotte off the coast of Madagascar and it is here that a truly divine Extra Superior Grade of Ylang Ylang is prepared from organcially grown flowers(ECO CERT certified) I would strongly suggest that any newcomer to the healing art of aromatherapy spend some time investigating the information that SHOULD be given when essential oils are described. I strongly agree. In addition, I strongly feel that it is unnecessary and unfair to overwhelm any newcomer with what some of us feel the need to. When working with people who purchase from me, I spend a great deal of time explaining uses, contraindications, possible allergies, possible and known side effects and, certainly, insuring that when essential oils are in place - they have all the resources to educate themselves, compare and use safely and knowledgably. Celebrating 10 years online. 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Guest guest Report post Posted October 1, 2005 --- rastapoodle <mccoy wrote: > , " Mother > Earth's Apothecary " > Hi Michelle: > 2. The other information you share - " medicinal > grade " , no refrigeration - sound suspiciously like > > the incorrect information used > by a local con artist who sells his oils to his > students. He's the only person I've ever heard use the term medicinal grade and no refrigeration. I visited one of his franchise stores here and the poor > girl was mortified to learn she had bunk rose oil > (orangey FO stuff) Hi Anya, I didn't realize to what extent his reputation was so mired within the industry...and that it is so widespread. In some regards, it is indeed, a small world. Wasn't there recently some Hulaballo about about a gal who supposedly coined the word " hydrosol " as being of her origination? Yes, " medicinal grade " is the mantra hype of the person in question. Medicine is the implication. And to some extent, I must agree in concept. Oils are very much medicine. To be used as any other medicine. As are the herbs, flowers, roots they are derived from before distillation. Aromatherapy and Herbs have always been considered medicine, from which many of the Pharma's originate and are marketed. They were used as medicine before the luxuries such as shampoos, scrubs, toileteries, etc they are primarily associated with today. Fortunately, they are once again being taken seriously. That they are used for " medicinal " purposes is a fact that few would dispute. That they are not officially categorized as medicine by the FDA is a boon, for their use would surely fall prey to scrutiny, dis/approval and limitation. We could easily find them on the CODEX list as well. That " grades " or " quality " of oils per se are different, diluted, etc is a given. Some oils are superior to others by virture of their procurement, origin and processing. We can tip too toe around semantics all day with regard to whether they are " medicinal " > and terrible stock. She had invested $10k and had to > sue him. I am very familiar with that situation and the parties involved. As usual, there is more to the " story " than was disclosed to you. > IMO, he's a local version of Gary Young, without the > scandals. He advocates women squirt a pipette of >undiluted lavender oil into their vaginas > for infections down there! Just a horrible con > artist, and dangerous, too. I cannot and will not attest to his moral character or integrity, one way or another. Nor would I wish to do so. But, for clarification, (I can see how information has a way or morphing into sensationalism) what IS recommended by a local Urologist, whose medical practice is Holistic is NOT that pipette of Lavender be squirted into the vagina, but that few drops be applied to a panty lining. This information was incorporated into the teaching ciriculum and passed on to students as ancellary information because of the apparent effectiveness in dealing with UT infections. > But I'm rambling. Research, and also hundreds of > years of experience with essential oils has shown that they need to be stored tightly-capped, in dark bottles, away from light and heat. Not only from light and heat, but from disruptive " vibrations " as well. > Yow. I just saw CAM. Oy, you are working with him. > Double yow. I'll bet he insists you buy only from >him, from some source in Jersey. Anya, like anyone in the " business " of making products, and in fairness to all, everyone shares a similar interest or motivation, to earn a living at what they love to do. The Oils you mention, regardless of what you may have sampled at the Franchise in question, are of very good quality. The " franchise " you visited, if it is the one I have in mind, did not use his oils. Many, before even opening the franchise were discarded and replaced with oils obtained from local wholesale/retail supplier, whose oils I would not purchase unless desperate. > Sorry to rock your boat. I'm just truly shocked by > some of the statements and want to figure out what's >going on, not for me, I'm secure in my EO experience >and usage and sources, but for the others > reading this. Just my .02 worth...... > Anya > http://naturalperfumery.com > The premier site on the Web to discover the beauty > of Natural Perfume > " The Age of the Foodie is passé. It is now the Age > of the Scentie. " > > > > Best regards, Carol _______________________________ Never Accept Only Two Choices in Life. The problems of Today cannot be solved by the same thinking that created them. -Al Einstein. Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Guest guest Report post Posted October 1, 2005 , " Mother Earth's Apothecary " <motherearthsapothecary@m...> wrote: > Sorry to rock your boat. I'm just truly shocked by some of the > statements and want to figure out what's going on, not for me, I'm > secure in my EO experience and usage and sources, but for the others > reading this. Hi katherine: I know your heart and soul are in the right place -- that is evident by your dedication to your education and helping others. It's just, as I said, some assertions set off some red flags with me. Your experience is different, and if you're happy with what you're doing, that's great, and I hope many people benefit from your knowledge. Discussion is good, and I wasn't attacking you, just what I perceived to be some A-CAM stuff, and I've had to field complaints from folks that have had horrible experiences with him for 10 years now. I'm not going to fight anybody's battles, and I believe in the long story, everything will work out. That's the nature of the aromatherapy story in the USA. http://naturalperfumery.com<http://naturalperfumery.com/ The premier site on the Web to discover the beauty of Natural Perfume " The Age of the Foodie is passé. It is now the Age of the Scentie. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 1, 2005 , Carol Ann <saffireskyes> wrote: > > Hi Anya, > Yes, " medicinal grade " is the mantra hype of the > person in question. Medicine is the implication. And > to some extent, I must agree in concept. Oils are > very much medicine. Unfortunatly, using the term medicinal can bring the FDA and other regulatory agencies down on all of us. That is why we studiously avoid it. We avoid it. We are secure in the manner in which the oils aid the healing process, support it, but we want to keep them under the radar of the feds. > That they are used for " medicinal " purposes is a fact > that few would dispute. That they are not officially > categorized as medicine by the FDA is a boon, for > their use would surely fall prey to scrutiny, > dis/approval and limitation. We could easily find them > on the CODEX list as well. Correct. > > > > and terrible stock. She had invested $10k and had to > > sue him. > > I am very familiar with that situation and the parties > involved. As usual, there is more to the " story " than > was disclosed to you. Well, I just checked his website, I have noticed that all of the franchises have disappeared except for his one store. I believe there are many stories to be told. I'm just going by what I *personally* witnessed. Bunk oils, terrible stock. This information was > incorporated into the teaching ciriculum and passed on > to students as ancellary information because of the > apparent effectiveness in dealing with UT infections. > I have no reason to doubt the story of his advocating the use of lavender neat in the vagina. The person who contact me had no ax to grind, had taken his course, and was shocked by the statement. She had no business dealings with him, but was educationed enough in AT to realize he was irresponsible. Like Gary Young, he is great at marketing himself and insinuating himself with some credible professionals, but that does not change the nature of his oils or what he teaches. > Anya, like anyone in the " business " of making > products, and in fairness to all, everyone shares a > similar interest or motivation, to earn a living at > what they love to do. > > The Oils you mention, regardless of what you may have > sampled at the Franchise in question, are of very good > quality. No, they are not. I will stand by that statement. I have had the misfortune of having his oils stuck under my nose for 10 years, back when he was pushing fennel + blends for women to sniff to lose weight. The oils I sampled at the franchise were terrible quality. The rose oil was fake. 100% fake. She had been forced to purchase the entire stock from him to start the store. The " franchise " you visited, if it is the one > I have in mind, did not use his oils. Many, before > even opening the franchise were discarded and replaced > with oils obtained from local wholesale/retail > supplier, whose oils I would not purchase unless > desperate. > > > Sorry to rock your boat. I'm just truly shocked by > > some of the statements and want to figure out > what's >going on, not for me, I'm secure in my EO > experience >and usage and sources, but for the others > > reading this. My boat is very sturdy and steady. I have 30 years experience with essential oils. Few are as poor as the ones I sampled from his monopolistic, secretive source. Again, the fact that all of his franchises have closed down after a year or so speaks volumes. We come to this forum to trade knowledge and experiences. I have shared mine about this man's doing in town, and I stand by them. That your experiences vary is just as valuable for input to the group, and they may make their own decisions. http://naturalperfumery.com<http://naturalperfumery.com/ The premier site on the Web to discover the beauty of Natural Perfume " The Age of the Foodie is passé. It is now the Age of the Scentie. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 1, 2005 Hi rastapoodle. I'm new to this scene and I'm a little troubled by this thread...mainly because I think I know this guy and took one of his courses...Is this dude's name Miguel at american apothecary or A-CAM? I'm writing you because you seem to be in the know. Thanks. --- rastapoodle <mccoy wrote: > , " Mother > Earth's Apothecary " > <motherearthsapothecary@m...> wrote: > > Sorry to rock your boat. I'm just truly shocked > by some of the > > statements and want to figure out what's going > on, not for me, I'm > > secure in my EO experience and usage and > sources, but for the others > > reading this. > > Hi katherine: > > I know your heart and soul are in the right place -- > that is evident > by your dedication to your education and helping > others. It's just, as > I said, some assertions set off some red flags with > me. Your > experience is different, and if you're happy with > what you're doing, > that's great, and I hope many people benefit from > your knowledge. > > Discussion is good, and I wasn't attacking you, just > what I perceived > to be some A-CAM stuff, and I've had to field > complaints from folks > that have had horrible experiences with him for 10 > years now. I'm not > going to fight anybody's battles, and I believe in > the long story, > everything will work out. That's the nature of the > aromatherapy story > in the USA. > > Anya > http://naturalperfumery.com<http://naturalperfumery.com/ > The premier site on the Web to discover the beauty > of Natural Perfume > " The Age of the Foodie is passé. It is now the Age > of the Scentie. " > > > > > Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 1, 2005 That last post was supposed to be private...guess I clicked the wrong button... --- rastapoodle <mccoy wrote: > , " Mother > Earth's Apothecary " > <motherearthsapothecary@m...> wrote: > > Sorry to rock your boat. I'm just truly shocked > by some of the > > statements and want to figure out what's going > on, not for me, I'm > > secure in my EO experience and usage and > sources, but for the others > > reading this. > > Hi katherine: > > I know your heart and soul are in the right place -- > that is evident > by your dedication to your education and helping > others. It's just, as > I said, some assertions set off some red flags with > me. Your > experience is different, and if you're happy with > what you're doing, > that's great, and I hope many people benefit from > your knowledge. > > Discussion is good, and I wasn't attacking you, just > what I perceived > to be some A-CAM stuff, and I've had to field > complaints from folks > that have had horrible experiences with him for 10 > years now. I'm not > going to fight anybody's battles, and I believe in > the long story, > everything will work out. That's the nature of the > aromatherapy story > in the USA. > > Anya > http://naturalperfumery.com<http://naturalperfumery.com/ > The premier site on the Web to discover the beauty > of Natural Perfume > " The Age of the Foodie is passé. It is now the Age > of the Scentie. " > > > > > Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 1, 2005 > > Unfortunatly the term medicinal can bring the > FDA and other > regulatory agencies down on all of us. That is why > we studiously avoid > it. We avoid it. We are secure in the manner in > which the oils aid the > healing process, support it, but we want to keep > them under the radar > of the feds. You can avoid it all you want. But, if you feel that way, are adamant about verbiage, then I would suggest this list cease and desist immediately, or that you in particular AVOID it altogether. And you may certainly speak for the " we " but not for me. The use of herbs and Oils as their by product is well established as " Alternative Medicine " today, very in vogue and accepted, even by the Allopathic medical establishment. The word " medicine " is defined thus Main Entry: med·i·cine Function: noun 1 : a substance or preparation used in treating disease 2 a : the science and art dealing with the maintenance of health and the prevention, alleviation, or cure of disease b : the branch of medicine concerned with the nonsurgical treatment of disease; 1. The science of diagnosing, treating, or preventing disease and other damage to the body or mind. 2. The branch of this science encompassing treatment by drugs, diet, exercise, and other nonsurgical means. 2. The practice of medicine. 3. An agent, such as a drug, used to treat disease or injury. 4. Something that serves as a remedy or corrective: medicine for rebuilding the economy; measures that were harsh medicine. 1. Shamanistic practices or beliefs, especially among Native Americans. 2. Something, such as a ritual practice or sacred object, believed to control natural or supernatural powers or serve as a preventive or remedy. Medicinal; Thus 1. Of, relating to, or having the properties of medicine. 2. Having an unappealing, bitter flavor. n. A preparation or product having the properties of a medicine. As to the remainder of your reply. As you can see from the above, everything is a matter of perspective. I have no interest, one way or another in indulging or engaging myself in personal character asassination. We really do not look better when someone else is made to look worse. The reason for my initial comments was because mention was made of the words " medicine and medicinal " which seems to unnecessarily set people off a slew of admonishments and unwarranted criticism. It is what is, semantics, regardless of what the FDA thinks, or its power to control the industry. If I have learned anything, it is that being involved in, affiliated with, holding any particular credentials, or years of experience for that matter, in Aromatherapy, Medicine, or other health related fields, because of its " nature " , which is closely associated with " healing arts " does not necessarily guarantee the integrity, infallibility, or moral character of the individuals involved. > > > Sorry to rock your boat. I'm just truly shocked > > >by some of the statements and want to figure out > > >what's going on, not for me, I'm secure in my EO EO> >experience and usage and sources, but for the > > >others reading this. >> My boat is very sturdy and steady. I have 30 years >> experience with >> essential oils. Few are as poor as the ones I >> sampled from his >> monopolistic, secretive source. For the record. Although you addressed a reply to me, it was not me who apologized for rocking your boat...as those words were not said by me, which illustrates how easily things can get confused as to who said what, with accuracy....... Peace, I have no desire to argue with you or anyone else. I truly enjoy the list and input from all participants. Best regards, > > > That they are used for " medicinal " purposes is a > fact > > that few would dispute. That they are not > officially > > categorized as medicine by the FDA is a boon, for > > their use would surely fall prey to scrutiny, > > dis/approval and limitation. We could easily find > them > > on the CODEX list as well. > > Correct. > > > > > > > and terrible stock. She had invested $10k and > had to > > > sue him. > > > > I am very familiar with that situation and the > parties > > involved. As usual, there is more to the " story " > than > > was disclosed to you. > > Well, I just checked his website, I have noticed > that all of the > franchises have disappeared except for his one > store. I believe there > are many stories to be told. I'm just going by what > I *personally* > witnessed. Bunk oils, terrible stock. > > This information was > > incorporated into the teaching ciricurriculum > passed on > > to students as anceancillaryormation because of > the > > apparent effectiveness in dealing with UT > infections. > > > I have no reason to doubt the story of his > advocating the use of > lavender neat in the vagina. The person who contact > me had no ax to > grind, had taken his course, and was shocked by the > statement. She had > no business dealings with him, but was educeducationedenough in AT to > realize he was irresponsible. > > Like Gary Young, he is great at marketing himself > and insinuating > himself with some credible professionals, but that > does not change the > nature of his oils or what he teaches. > > > Anya, like anyone in the " business " of making > > products, and in fairness to all, everyone shares > a > > similar interest or motivation, to earn a living > at > > what they love to do. > > > > The Oils you mention, regardless of what you may > have > > sampled at the Franchise in question, are of very > good > > quality. > > No, they are not. I will stand by that statement. I > have had the > misfortune of having his oils stuck under my nose > for 10 years, back > when he was pushing fennel + blends for women to > sniff to lose weight. > The oils I sampled at the franchise were terrible > quality. The rose > oil was fake. 100% fake. She had been forced to > purchase the entire > stock from him to start the store. > > The " franchise " you visited, if it is the one > > I have in mind, did not use his oils. Many, before > > even opening the franchise were discarded and > replaced > > with oils obtained from local wholesale/retail > > supplier, whose oils I would not purchase unless > > desperate. > > > > > Sorry to rock your boat. I'm just truly shocked > by > > > some of the statements and want to figure out > > what's >going on, not for me, I'm secure in my EO EO> experience >and usage and sources, but for the > others > > > reading this. > > My boat is very sturdy and steady. I have 30 years > experience with > essential oils. Few are as poor as the ones I > sampled from his > monopolistic, secretive source. > > Again, the fact that all of his franchises have > closed down after a > year or so speaks volumes. We come to this forum to > trade knowledge > and experiences. I have shared mine about this man's > doing in town, > and I stand by them. That your experiences vary is > just as valuable > for input to the group, and they may make their own > decisions. > > Anya > httphttpatunaturalperfumery<httphttpatunaturalperfumery/ > The premier site on the Web to discover the beauty > of Natural Perfume > " The Age of the Foodie is passpassé is now the Age > of the ScenScentie> httphttpealth.NatuNaturalPerfumery > > Best regards, Carol _______________________________ Never Accept Only Two Choices in Life. The problems of Today cannot be solved by the same thinking that created them. -Al Einstein. Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 1, 2005 , Carol Ann <saffireskyes> wrote: > > > > Unfortunatly the term medicinal can bring the > > FDA and other > > regulatory agencies down on all of us. That is why > > we studiously avoid > > it. We avoid it. We are secure in the manner in > > which the oils aid the > > healing process, support it, but we want to keep > > them under the radar > > of the feds. > > You can avoid it all you want. But, if you feel that > way, are adamant about verbiage, then I would suggest > this list cease and desist immediately, or that you in > particular AVOID it altogether. Chris and I will take your comments under advisement ;-) http://naturalperfumery.com The premier site on the Web to discover the beauty of Natural Perfume " The Age of the Foodie is passé. It is now the Age of the Scentie. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 1, 2005 , Butch Owen <butchbsi@s...> wrote: > Hey Anya and Marge .. > > If I had followed the policy I demand of the folks in my company .. that > of reading the last in first .. I would not have made the post I made. > Y'all covered it well below. :-) > > Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com Ha, ha Butch And here I was thinking after reading your comprehensive point-for-point reply that you did a great job in addressing all the issues she raised. Well, the more the merrier in debunking the snake oil suppliers. I just hope that Katherine isn't offended. Many have been taken in by slick salesmen (as you mentioned) and with all of our combined knowledge and experience we just can't sit back and see it happening again and again. http://naturalperfumery.com The premier site on the Web to discover the beauty of Natural Perfume " The Age of the Foodie is passé. It is now the Age of the Scentie. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
