Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 Chinese Medicine , " stephen macallan " <stephenmacallan@u...> wrote: > > > > The key to a possession according to Worsley, and my experience > substantiates it, is that when you make eye contact with the patient - > there's nobody home and/or when you make that contact you get scared. > so when do you make the determination to do ID/ED vs refer to a shrink... if ever? rh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 hi there, JR worsley was very specific about the dragons treatment. It was for dealing with 'possession' by anything from an idea (being obsessed with say washing hands) to a person (obsessed by him/her or the svengali concept) or to an 'entity' ('The Exorcist' type of thing). Certainly a dragons treatment is relevant in a drug-addiction scenario - the person is, kind of, 'possessed' by his addiction to heroin and probably the ID's would fit here. I understand that in Chinese mythology the 'dragons' were by aand large good guys, so one summoned them them to drive out or consume the bad guys. Broadly speaking the ID's were for internal 'demons' - drink, drugs, obsessive love/hate etc and the ED's were for external 'demons' entities or other external malevolent forces. In practice the ID's were to be done first (primarily because the points were easier to locate) and usually dealt effectively with an internal or an external possession. In my 23 years of practice I have summoned the dragons on perhaps 25 - 40 patients, with a retrospective correct diagnosis in 20 - 35 patients. About half needed the treatment more than once, up to say 6 or 8 times. I myself fell foul of a coven in London some years ago and they sent me something horrible which nearly killed me (a touch of hyperbole here) and an ID treatment fixed it instantly!!! (Ooh excuse me there's a man in a white coat at the door) (Joke!! For the hard scientists out there) I have also worked with healers whose expertise was demonic possession - there really is some wierd stuff out there. The key to a possession according to Worsley, and my experience substantiates it, is that when you make eye contact with the patient - there's nobody home and/or when you make that contact you get scared. A few thoughts on this topic from a hard-line(ish) 5-element practitioner- hope that clarifies things a bit love stephen -- Stephen MacAllan Lic.Ac., B.Ac., M.Ac., M.H., Cert.B.E.R.M., M.H. M.B.Ac.C.,M.A.M.H. Acupuncturist, Herbalist, Kosmed practitioner Vega-tester www.stephenmacallan.co.uk www.stephenandphilipnaturally.co.uk powered by amiga 060/mediator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 On a slightly different, but related topic, has anyone run across something called a " classic possession treatment " . I know of someone who had it done by a practitioner with great results. All she remembers is that DU16 was one of the points, and possibly LU3. --brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Chinese Medicine , " briansbeard " <brian_s_beard@h...> wrote: > > On a slightly different, but related topic, has anyone run across > something called a " classic possession treatment " . I know of someone > who had it done by a practitioner with great results. All she > remembers is that DU16 was one of the points, and possibly LU3. > > --brian Are you refering to the ghost point treatment from sun si miao? -Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 A five element practitioner in town offered a 5 elem seminar to those of us that practice meridian style acu. A friend of mine volunteered for the Internal dragons demonstration. Afterwards she felt completely out of body and was very upset that she felt so disconnected from herself. It took her weeks to " come back " . One of the other attendees used this same protocol afterwards in her practice on a patient. The patient came back the next day swearing and cursing. " what the f** & & ^% did you do to me? " she screamed. " I feel so out of body " Can any 5E acu explain this strange occurrence? Because of it, I only utilize the Aggressive Energy protocol on patients, I won't go near any of the other ones. thank you kampo36 [kampo36] July 1, 2004 4:14 PM Chinese Medicine Re: the dragons treatment Chinese Medicine , " stephen macallan " <stephenmacallan@u...> wrote: > > > > The key to a possession according to Worsley, and my experience > substantiates it, is that when you make eye contact with the patient - > there's nobody home and/or when you make that contact you get scared. > so when do you make the determination to do ID/ED vs refer to a shrink... if ever? rh Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Jason, That had entered my mind as well at some point, but I'm pretty sure it's different than the ghost point treatment. It's possible it may include other ghost points besides DU16, but at the least I can say that not all of the ghost points were used, or she probably would have remembered CV1 and under the tongue. The treatment was given supine with the back of her head lying on the face cradle so that DU16 could be needled. The rest of the points were consistent with a front treatment. --brian Chinese Medicine , " " wrote: > Chinese Medicine , " briansbeard " > <brian_s_beard@h...> wrote: > > > > On a slightly different, but related topic, has anyone run across > > something called a " classic possession treatment " . I know of someone > > who had it done by a practitioner with great results. All she > > remembers is that DU16 was one of the points, and possibly LU3. > > > > --brian > > Are you refering to the ghost point treatment from sun si miao? > > -Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 What if the dragons leave the patient and jump into the healer. How would one know if that has happened, or not? Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Hi Ann Can you describe the " Aggressive Energy protocol " and its clinical applications, please? Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing it " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Maybe this was a Warlock! Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. - " Ann " <dr.annzee <Chinese Medicine > Friday, July 02, 2004 8:22 AM RE: Re: the dragons treatment > A five element practitioner in town offered a 5 elem seminar to those of > us that practice meridian style acu. A friend of mine volunteered for > the Internal dragons demonstration. Afterwards she felt completely out > of body and was very upset that she felt so disconnected from herself. > It took her weeks to " come back " . One of the other attendees used this > same protocol afterwards in her practice on a patient. The patient came > back the next day swearing and cursing. " what the f** & & ^% did you do to > me? " she screamed. " I feel so out of body " > Can any 5E acu explain this strange occurrence? Because of it, I only > utilize the Aggressive Energy protocol on patients, I won't go near any > of the other ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Phil, Use Yin shu points on the back. starting at (you must follow this order) UB13 UB14 UB18 UB20 UB23 - located 2 cun from DU, not 1 1/2 cun, feel for the hollow -then note for red ring around UB14, if so, then needle UB15 -patient will feel tired after treatment. -used to clear away " blocks " to treatment like anger, frustration....anything that will impede the Qi flow -when inserting the needles, focus your intention up the DU m' to DU20 to help clear away the blocks -remove the needles when all red rings around the needles have disappeared This treatment was effective when I was treating a woman with infertility. Before we started the typical protocol relating to her diagnosis, I felt it best to use the AE to clear away the anger and frustration she was exhibiting. She presented as a much calmer, nicer patient on subsequent visits. Ann [] July 2, 2004 10:18 AM Chinese Medicine RE: Re: the dragons treatment Hi Ann Can you describe the " Aggressive Energy protocol " and its clinical applications, please? Best regards, Email: < Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Hi Holmes & All, Holmes wrote: > What if the dragons leave the patient and jump into the healer. How > would one know if that has happened, or not? Below is an extract from my mail of Feb 16th last: Roy Ogden, my first teacher in energy-healing (in the Spirit World for some years now; may he Rest Easy) used " Distant Healing " on some of his more seriously ill patients. His clinical results were remarkable. In " Distant Healing " (Qi Gong if you wish) Roy used to meditate or concentrate on his patients, using their photographs as " Links " . He believed that possession by a malevolent Entity/Spirit is the root cause of MOST addiction (booze, drugs, gambling, etc). Therefore, Roy also believed that the " Root Tx " in these cases was to visualise disassociation of those Spirits from the body/psyche of his patients and to ask God (pray) to be Merciful and grant those troubled Spirits a peaceful " home " elsewhere. One evening, Roy was using this technique on a set of about 6-10 of his addicted patients. He had their photos spread on the desk in front of him. Within minutes of starting the meditation, Roy developed catatonia (tonic paralysis). Luckily, his daughter (an MD and great homeopath) entered the room shortly after Roy's attack. She found him catatonic; he was totally unconscious (at least non-responsive) to her attempts to restore him to " normal " consciousness. Seeing the photos in front of her father, and knowing Roy's methods, Liz suspected what was happening - that one or more " Disassociated Spirits " had attacked Roy and taken control of his consciousness. Liz gathered all the photos, threw them in the fire, and prayed for her father's safe return. He regained consciousness, without any sequels, very quickly afterwards. Roy taught me to be very careful (ALWAYS ask God's help, and ALWAYS tell someone else to " watch your back " ) when dealing with possible Malevolent Spirits. That was why I referred one suspect case (a Turkish man) to a highly skilled MD/Acupuncturist and to his priest) immediately after the adverse reaction to needling Qihai. The man did not report back to me, so I do not know the outcome of that case. Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing it " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 Hello, I never send anybody to a shrink or a medic, for that matter. The only medics I refer to are dentists stephen Chinese Medicine , " stephen macallan " > <stephenmacallan@u...> wrote: > > > > > > > The key to a possession according to Worsley, and my experience > > substantiates it, is that when you make eye contact with the patient - > > there's nobody home and/or when you make that contact you get scared. > > > > so when do you make the determination to do ID/ED vs refer to a shrink... if ever? > > rh > > > > > > > > > Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. > > http://babel.altavista.com/ > > and adjust accordingly. > > If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 hiya, warlock aside, I would guess the out of body feeling relates more to an extremely inappropriate treatment on the earth officials, than anything happening as a result of summoning the dragons inappropriately. Summoning the dragons when not needed has never, in my personal experience and the experience of a few colleagues, resulted in anything like this. stephen> Maybe this was a Warlock! > Dr. Holmes Keikobad > MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ > www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. > NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. > - > " Ann " <dr.annzee > <Chinese Medicine > > Friday, July 02, 2004 8:22 AM > RE: Re: the dragons treatment > > > > A five element practitioner in town offered a 5 elem seminar to those of > > us that practice meridian style acu. A friend of mine volunteered for > > the Internal dragons demonstration. Afterwards she felt completely out > > of body and was very upset that she felt so disconnected from herself. > > It took her weeks to " come back " . One of the other attendees used this > > same protocol afterwards in her practice on a patient. The patient came > > back the next day swearing and cursing. " what the f** & & ^% did you do to > > me? " she screamed. " I feel so out of body " > > Can any 5E acu explain this strange occurrence? Because of it, I only > > utilize the Aggressive Energy protocol on patients, I won't go near any > > of the other ones. > > > > > > -- Stephen MacAllan Lic.Ac., B.Ac., M.Ac., M.H., Cert.B.E.R.M., M.H. M.B.Ac.C.,M.A.M.H. Acupuncturist, Herbalist, Kosmed practitioner Vega-tester www.stephenmacallan.co.uk www.stephenandphilipnaturally.co.uk powered by amiga 060/mediator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 hello phil and ann, this is not quite what I was taught. Three principle differences. First 'draining AE' should be a one-time event, done at 1st treatment and MUST be done before doing any other treatment and is only a treatment when there is some AE to drain. Aggressive energy is somewhat of a misnomer, better is 'polluted ch'i'.Draining AE is nothing to do with clearing away anger - it is only to do with removing polluted ch'i. If there is no polluted ch'i, then the protocol merely sedates, slightly, the relevant officials, ,including liver - hence, perhaps, the calmer, nicer patient. Very superficial needling of the points, only into wei level, is the test procedure - AE is present if an erythema occurs around the needle and does not occur around a test needle superficially inserted not into an acup point but nearby Also draining AE from UB14 will drain it from the heart and so UB15 should not be used - cos its risky regardez stephen Phil, > > Use Yin shu points on the back. > starting at (you must follow this order) > UB13 > UB14 > UB18 > UB20 > UB23 - located 2 cun from DU, not 1 1/2 cun, feel for the hollow > -then note for red ring around UB14, if so, then needle UB15 > -patient will feel tired after treatment. > -used to clear away " blocks " to treatment like anger, > frustration....anything that will impede the Qi flow > -when inserting the needles, focus your intention up the DU m' to DU20 > to help clear away the blocks > -remove the needles when all red rings around the needles have > disappeared > > This treatment was effective when I was treating a woman with > infertility. Before we started the typical protocol relating to her > diagnosis, I felt it best to use the AE to clear away the anger and > frustration she was exhibiting. She presented as a much calmer, nicer > patient on subsequent visits. > > Ann > > > [] > July 2, 2004 10:18 AM > Chinese Medicine > RE: Re: the dragons treatment > > > Hi Ann > > Can you describe the " Aggressive Energy protocol " and its clinical > applications, please? > > > Best regards, > > Email: < > > > > > Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. > > http://babel.altavista.com/ > > and adjust accordingly. > > If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 If AE is a misnomer, why does everyone use it? And what is 'polluted qi'? " Sedation " , by the way, is also a misnomer. On Jul 2, 2004, at 1:50 PM, stephen macallan wrote: > hello phil and ann, > this is not quite what I was taught. Three > principle differences. First 'draining AE' should be a one-time event, > done at 1st treatment and MUST be done before doing any other > treatment and is only a treatment when there is some AE to drain. > Aggressive energy is somewhat of a misnomer, better is 'polluted > ch'i'.Draining AE is nothing to do with clearing away anger - it is > only to do with removing polluted ch'i. If there is no polluted ch'i, > then the protocol merely sedates, slightly, the relevant officials, > ,including liver - hence, perhaps, the calmer, nicer patient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2004 Report Share Posted July 2, 2004 This is what I learned, too. Although I use AE for the removal of " polluted qi " , I also use it very often for stress. It does have a very nice sedating affect. Patients with a lot of stress (which is just about everyone, unless they are living under a rock), or those with anxiety do very well with this treatment as a sedation. I have never had a negative reaction and have been doing this for about 6 years. stephen macallan [stephenmacallan] Friday, July 10, 2893 3:44 PM Chinese Medicine Re: Re: the dragons treatment hello phil and ann, this is not quite what I was taught. Three principle differences. First 'draining AE' should be a one-time event, done at 1st treatment and MUST be done before doing any other treatment and is only a treatment when there is some AE to drain. Aggressive energy is somewhat of a misnomer, better is 'polluted ch'i'.Draining AE is nothing to do with clearing away anger - it is only to do with removing polluted ch'i. If there is no polluted ch'i, then the protocol merely sedates, slightly, the relevant officials, ,including liver - hence, perhaps, the calmer, nicer patient. Very superficial needling of the points, only into wei level, is the test procedure - AE is present if an erythema occurs around the needle and does not occur around a test needle superficially inserted not into an acup point but nearby Also draining AE from UB14 will drain it from the heart and so UB15 should not be used - cos its risky regardez stephen Phil, > > Use Yin shu points on the back. > starting at (you must follow this order) > UB13 > UB14 > UB18 > UB20 > UB23 - located 2 cun from DU, not 1 1/2 cun, feel for the hollow > -then note for red ring around UB14, if so, then needle UB15 > -patient will feel tired after treatment. > -used to clear away " blocks " to treatment like anger, > frustration....anything that will impede the Qi flow > -when inserting the needles, focus your intention up the DU m' to DU20 > to help clear away the blocks > -remove the needles when all red rings around the needles have > disappeared > > This treatment was effective when I was treating a woman with > infertility. Before we started the typical protocol relating to her > diagnosis, I felt it best to use the AE to clear away the anger and > frustration she was exhibiting. She presented as a much calmer, nicer > patient on subsequent visits. > > Ann > > > [] > July 2, 2004 10:18 AM > Chinese Medicine > RE: Re: the dragons treatment > > > Hi Ann > > Can you describe the " Aggressive Energy protocol " and its clinical > applications, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2004 Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 Hi Stephen, thank you for the lesson! Is polluted chi referring to the effects typical western environmental factors like a poor diet, poor air quality and stress have on chi? thank you, Ann stephen macallan [stephenmacallan] July 2, 2004 2:50 PM Chinese Medicine Re: Re: the dragons treatment hello phil and ann, this is not quite what I was taught. Three principle differences. First 'draining AE' should be a one-time event, done at 1st treatment and MUST be done before doing any other treatment and is only a treatment when there is some AE to drain. Aggressive energy is somewhat of a misnomer, better is 'polluted ch'i'.Draining AE is nothing to do with clearing away anger - it is only to do with removing polluted ch'i. If there is no polluted ch'i, then the protocol merely sedates, slightly, the relevant officials, ,including liver - hence, perhaps, the calmer, nicer patient. Very superficial needling of the points, only into wei level, is the test procedure - AE is present if an erythema occurs around the needle and does not occur around a test needle superficially inserted not into an acup point but nearby Also draining AE from UB14 will drain it from the heart and so UB15 should not be used - cos its risky regardez stephen Phil, > > Use Yin shu points on the back. > starting at (you must follow this order) > UB13 > UB14 > UB18 > UB20 > UB23 - located 2 cun from DU, not 1 1/2 cun, feel for the hollow > -then note for red ring around UB14, if so, then needle UB15 > -patient will feel tired after treatment. > -used to clear away " blocks " to treatment like anger, > frustration....anything that will impede the Qi flow > -when inserting the needles, focus your intention up the DU m' to DU20 > to help clear away the blocks > -remove the needles when all red rings around the needles have > disappeared > > This treatment was effective when I was treating a woman with > infertility. Before we started the typical protocol relating to her > diagnosis, I felt it best to use the AE to clear away the anger and > frustration she was exhibiting. She presented as a much calmer, nicer > patient on subsequent visits. > > Ann > > > [] > July 2, 2004 10:18 AM > Chinese Medicine > RE: Re: the dragons treatment > > > Hi Ann > > Can you describe the " Aggressive Energy protocol " and its clinical > applications, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2004 Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 Chinese Medicine , " stephen macallan " <stephenmacallan@u...> wrote: > Hello, > I never send anybody to a shrink or a medic, for that matter. > The only medics I refer to are dentists > > > stephen > Are you saying you never refer out to the Medical community (MDs) ? That sounds somewhat foolish, could you explain?> - > Chinese Medicine , " stephen macallan " > > <stephenmacallan@u...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The key to a possession according to Worsley, and my experience > > > substantiates it, is that when you make eye contact with the patient - > > > there's nobody home and/or when you make that contact you get scared. > > > > > > > so when do you make the determination to do ID/ED vs refer to a shrink... if ever? > > > > rh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 Well jason, the medical community is now the leading cause of death in the USA, all pharmaceuticals interfere with acupuncture, herbs, Kosmed etc to a greater or lesser degree. 75% of cancers worlwide are caused by medically requested X-rays. The further away you live from a doctor the healthier you will be. Only twice in recent times has the death rate per annum showed a marked downturn - once in Israel when the medics went on strike and once in Holland, during the last war when the germans commandeered all medical supplies. In the UK in the mid70's a nationwide survey showed that over 70% of all hospital admissions were for ppl suffering iatrogenic disease. In 1996 a hospital in the north of england organised an in-house survey which showed that 63% of all admissions were were for iatrogenic disease, the consultant in charge resigned her post. Breast screening is more likely to cause a cancer than discover one leading to Belgium abandoning screening and other countries re-considering. Cervical smears are only 16% accurate. BMJ recently declared that blood tests are 50-90% accurate - well 90% I can live with, but 50% that's no better than a guess. The recent big HRT study in the UK was abandoned because too many women were getting cancer. And you ask me why I don't refer to medics!!! > Chinese Medicine , " stephen > macallan " <stephenmacallan@u...> wrote: > > Hello, > > I never send anybody to a shrink or a medic, for that matter. > > The only medics I refer to are dentists > > > > > > stephen > > > Are you saying you never refer out to the Medical community (MDs) ? > That sounds somewhat foolish, could you explain?> > > - > > > Chinese Medicine , " stephen > macallan " > > > <stephenmacallan@u...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > The key to a possession according to Worsley, and my experience > > > > substantiates it, is that when you make eye contact with the > patient - > > > > there's nobody home and/or when you make that contact you get > scared. > > > > > > > > > > so when do you make the determination to do ID/ED vs refer to a > shrink... if ever? > > > > > > rh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 hello Ann, ok 'polluted ch'i doesn't quite get the flavour either. 'Destructive' Ch'i may be even better, the concept as taught at leamington is that the AE is damaging to the system and (see Gye's ml) a core concept of 5e practice is moving ch'i around the system so moving destructive ch'i is a bad idea. But AE is taught as coming from drug abuse (pharma and recreational) emotional trauma etc rather than poor diet/poor air, and just yesterday I heard about an AE drain as being instrumental in reversing a recent case of autism post MMR > thank you for the lesson! I don't mean to cause offense - I'm only trying to clarify Is polluted chi referring to the effects > typical western environmental factors like a poor diet, poor air quality > and stress have on chi? > > thank you, > > Ann > > > stephen macallan [stephenmacallan] > July 2, 2004 2:50 PM > Chinese Medicine > Re: Re: the dragons treatment > > > hello phil and ann, > this is not quite what I was taught. Three > principle differences. First 'draining AE' should be a one-time event, > done at 1st treatment and MUST be done before doing any other > treatment and is only a treatment when there is some AE to drain. > Aggressive energy is somewhat of a misnomer, better is 'polluted > ch'i'.Draining AE is nothing to do with clearing away anger - it is > only to do with removing polluted ch'i. If there is no polluted ch'i, > then the protocol merely sedates, slightly, the relevant officials, > ,including liver - hence, perhaps, the calmer, nicer patient. > > Very superficial needling of the points, only into wei level, is the > test procedure - AE is present if an erythema occurs around the needle > and does not occur around a test needle superficially inserted not > into an acup point but nearby > > Also draining AE from UB14 will drain it from the heart and so UB15 > should not be used - cos its risky > > regardez > > stephen > > > > Phil, > > > > Use Yin shu points on the back. > > starting at (you must follow this order) > > UB13 > > UB14 > > UB18 > > UB20 > > UB23 - located 2 cun from DU, not 1 1/2 cun, feel for the hollow > > -then note for red ring around UB14, if so, then needle UB15 > > -patient will feel tired after treatment. > > -used to clear away " blocks " to treatment like anger, > > frustration....anything that will impede the Qi flow > > -when inserting the needles, focus your intention up the DU m' to DU20 > > to help clear away the blocks > > -remove the needles when all red rings around the needles have > > disappeared > > > > This treatment was effective when I was treating a woman with > > infertility. Before we started the typical protocol relating to her > > diagnosis, I felt it best to use the AE to clear away the anger and > > frustration she was exhibiting. She presented as a much calmer, nicer > > patient on subsequent visits. > > > > Ann > > > > > > [] > > July 2, 2004 10:18 AM > > Chinese Medicine > > RE: Re: the dragons treatment > > > > > > Hi Ann > > > > Can you describe the " Aggressive Energy protocol " and its clinical > > applications, please? > > > > > Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. > > http://babel.altavista.com/ > > and adjust accordingly. > > If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 hello Z'ev hmmmm AE is not actually a misnomer - it is just the case that many english speaking ppl confuse aggressive and anger. AE is the name that was taught by Jack Worsley and I was trying to clarify that the AE protocol is not intended to dispel or get rid of anger, the purpose of draining AE is to get rid of 'destructive' or 'bad' or 'polluted' ch'i. > If AE is a misnomer, why does everyone use it? Cos thats how Jack taught it. And what is 'polluted > qi'? See above> > " Sedation " , by the way, is also a misnomer. No it is not, if AE does not drain during the protocol, then the protocol produces a mild sedation of the officials. That is the 5E teaching. stephen -- Stephen MacAllan Lic.Ac., B.Ac., M.Ac., M.H., Cert.B.E.R.M., M.H. M.B.Ac.C.,M.A.M.H. Acupuncturist, Herbalist, Kosmed practitioner Vega-tester www.stephenmacallan.co.uk www.stephenandphilipnaturally.co.uk powered by amiga 060/mediator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 hello the dragons are the good guys and dont jump into the healer. The demons might and the healer need s to take appropriate precautions stephen > What if the dragons leave the patient and jump into the healer. > How would one know if that has happened, or not? > > Dr. Holmes Keikobad > MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ > www.acu-free.com > NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. > > http://babel.altavista.com/ > > and adjust accordingly. > > If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 Hi Stephen, You have some really interesting stats in your posting. I was wondering if you could provide me with some references for them, as I would like to have that information to share with patient. Thanks, Mark On Sun, 2004-07-04 at 10:20, stephen macallan wrote: > Well jason, > the medical community is now the leading cause of death in > the USA, all pharmaceuticals interfere with acupuncture, herbs, Kosmed > etc to a greater or lesser degree. 75% of cancers worlwide are caused > by medically requested X-rays. The further away you live from a doctor > the healthier you will be. Only twice in recent times has the death > rate per annum showed a marked downturn - once in Israel when the > medics went on strike and once in Holland, during the last war when > the germans commandeered all medical supplies. In the UK in the > mid70's a nationwide survey showed that over 70% of all hospital > admissions were for ppl suffering iatrogenic disease. In 1996 a > hospital in the north of england organised an in-house survey which > showed that 63% of all admissions were were for iatrogenic disease, > the consultant in charge resigned her post. Breast screening is more > likely to cause a cancer than discover one leading to Belgium > abandoning screening and other countries re-considering. Cervical > smears are only 16% accurate. BMJ recently declared that blood tests > are 50-90% accurate - well 90% I can live with, but 50% that's no > better than a guess. The recent big HRT study in the UK was abandoned > because too many women were getting cancer. And you ask me why I don't > refer to medics!!! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 Chinese Medicine , " stephen macallan " <stephenmacallan@u...> wrote: > Well jason, > the medical community is now the leading cause of death in > the USA, all pharmaceuticals interfere with acupuncture, herbs, Kosmed > etc to a greater or lesser degree. 75% of cancers worlwide are caused > by medically requested X-rays. The further away you live from a doctor > the healthier you will be. Only twice in recent times has the death > rate per annum showed a marked downturn - once in Israel when the > medics went on strike and once in Holland, during the last war when > the germans commandeered all medical supplies. In the UK in the > mid70's a nationwide survey showed that over 70% of all hospital > admissions were for ppl suffering iatrogenic disease. In 1996 a > hospital in the north of england organised an in-house survey which > showed that 63% of all admissions were were for iatrogenic disease, > the consultant in charge resigned her post. Breast screening is more > likely to cause a cancer than discover one leading to Belgium > abandoning screening and other countries re-considering. Cervical > smears are only 16% accurate. BMJ recently declared that blood tests > are 50-90% accurate - well 90% I can live with, but 50% that's no > better than a guess. The recent big HRT study in the UK was abandoned > because too many women were getting cancer. And you ask me why I don't > refer to medics!!! Well I agree with some of your statements above I question your source on most of the above stats, but that aside, I think there are definitely times to refer out, there is no question in my mind that people need to go to the ER or even get a medical opinion and treatment for many conditions. Western medicine has a very important positive side also, and I think that it is foolish to think that TCM or alternative medicine for that matter can treat everything. Understanding systems strengths and weakness is essential, IMO, for proper health care for the public. But everyone has a right to there opinion, but I think it is limiting to not see the good in western medicine, but that is just me. On a side note: remember the majority of modern CM completely integrates itself with western medicine. They use the best of both worlds… Medical wisdom, IMO, is to know when you can't treat something and refer out… (and many times that means to an MD)… Respectively, - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2004 Report Share Posted July 4, 2004 The more powerful your arsenal, the more potential for potent positives and negatives. I agree with the previous statements about the high iatrogenesis of Western medicine, and the abuses in this mega-system are well documented. However, we need to put our money where our mouths are. We are a very young profession with many problems (both Chinese and alternative medicine), and simply cannot take over from Western medicine, especially in the areas of trauma and emergency medicine. We don't have the resources to save lives, and no one in their right mind would substitute anything for emergency WM care after a major auto accident. What worries me most about WM these days, especially in the U.S., is the advertising of powerful pharmaceutical drugs to the public on television and in the media, suggesting that consumers ask their doctors for these drugs. A major ethical divide has been opened here, one which I understand from my British friends here in San Diego has not been breached in Europe at this time. On Jul 4, 2004, at 11:13 AM, wrote: > Well I agree with some of your statements above I question your source > on most of the above stats, but that aside, I think there are > definitely times to refer out, there is no question in my mind that > people need to go to the ER or even get a medical opinion and > treatment for many conditions. Western medicine has a very important > positive side also, and I think that it is foolish to think that TCM > or alternative medicine for that matter can treat everything. > Understanding systems strengths and weakness is essential, IMO, for > proper health care for the public. But everyone has a right to there > opinion, but I think it is limiting to not see the good in western > medicine, but that is just me. On a side note: remember the majority > of modern CM completely integrates itself with western medicine. They > use the best of both worlds… Medical wisdom, IMO, is to know when you > can't treat something and refer out… (and many times that means to an > MD)… > > Respectively, > > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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