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Chinese Medicine , " stephen macallan "

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> >

>

> The key to a possession according to Worsley, and my experience

> substantiates it, is that when you make eye contact with the patient -

> there's nobody home and/or when you make that contact you get scared.

>

 

so when do you make the determination to do ID/ED vs refer to a shrink... if

ever?

 

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hi there,

JR worsley was very specific about the dragons treatment. It

was for dealing with 'possession' by anything from an idea (being

obsessed with say washing hands) to a person (obsessed by him/her or

the svengali concept) or to an 'entity' ('The Exorcist' type of

thing). Certainly a dragons treatment is relevant in a drug-addiction

scenario - the person is, kind of, 'possessed' by his addiction to

heroin and probably the ID's would fit here. I understand that in

Chinese mythology the 'dragons' were by aand large good guys, so one

summoned them them to drive out or consume the bad guys. Broadly

speaking the ID's were for internal 'demons' - drink, drugs, obsessive

love/hate etc and the ED's were for external 'demons' entities or

other external malevolent forces.

 

In practice the ID's were to be done first (primarily because the

points were easier to locate) and usually dealt effectively with an

internal or an external possession. In my 23 years of practice I have

summoned the dragons on perhaps 25 - 40 patients, with a retrospective

correct diagnosis in 20 - 35 patients. About half needed the treatment

more than once, up to say 6 or 8 times. I myself fell foul of a coven

in London some years ago and they sent me something horrible which

nearly killed me (a touch of hyperbole here) and an ID treatment fixed

it instantly!!! (Ooh excuse me there's a man in a white coat at the

door)

(Joke!! For the hard scientists out there)

 

I have also worked with healers whose expertise was demonic possession

- there really is some wierd stuff out there.

 

The key to a possession according to Worsley, and my experience

substantiates it, is that when you make eye contact with the patient -

there's nobody home and/or when you make that contact you get scared.

 

A few thoughts on this topic from a hard-line(ish) 5-element

practitioner- hope that clarifies things a bit

 

love

 

stephen

 

--

Stephen MacAllan

Lic.Ac., B.Ac., M.Ac., M.H.,

Cert.B.E.R.M., M.H.

M.B.Ac.C.,M.A.M.H.

Acupuncturist, Herbalist,

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On a slightly different, but related topic, has anyone run across

something called a " classic possession treatment " . I know of someone

who had it done by a practitioner with great results. All she

remembers is that DU16 was one of the points, and possibly LU3.

 

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> On a slightly different, but related topic, has anyone run across

> something called a " classic possession treatment " . I know of someone

> who had it done by a practitioner with great results. All she

> remembers is that DU16 was one of the points, and possibly LU3.

>

> --brian

 

Are you refering to the ghost point treatment from sun si miao?

 

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A five element practitioner in town offered a 5 elem seminar to those of

us that practice meridian style acu. A friend of mine volunteered for

the Internal dragons demonstration. Afterwards she felt completely out

of body and was very upset that she felt so disconnected from herself.

It took her weeks to " come back " . One of the other attendees used this

same protocol afterwards in her practice on a patient. The patient came

back the next day swearing and cursing. " what the f** & & ^% did you do to

me? " she screamed. " I feel so out of body "

Can any 5E acu explain this strange occurrence? Because of it, I only

utilize the Aggressive Energy protocol on patients, I won't go near any

of the other ones.

 

thank you

 

 

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July 1, 2004 4:14 PM

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Chinese Medicine , " stephen macallan "

<stephenmacallan@u...> wrote:

> >

>

> The key to a possession according to Worsley, and my experience

> substantiates it, is that when you make eye contact with the patient -

> there's nobody home and/or when you make that contact you get scared.

>

 

so when do you make the determination to do ID/ED vs refer to a

shrink... if ever?

 

rh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Jason,

 

That had entered my mind as well at some point, but I'm pretty sure

it's different than the ghost point treatment. It's possible it may

include other ghost points besides DU16, but at the least I can say

that not all of the ghost points were used, or she probably would

have remembered CV1 and under the tongue. The treatment was given

supine with the back of her head lying on the face cradle so that

DU16 could be needled. The rest of the points were consistent with a

front treatment.

 

--brian

 

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> Chinese Medicine , " briansbeard "

> <brian_s_beard@h...> wrote:

> >

> > On a slightly different, but related topic, has anyone run across

> > something called a " classic possession treatment " . I know of

someone

> > who had it done by a practitioner with great results. All she

> > remembers is that DU16 was one of the points, and possibly LU3.

> >

> > --brian

>

> Are you refering to the ghost point treatment from sun si miao?

>

> -Jason

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What if the dragons leave the patient and jump into the healer.

How would one know if that has happened, or not?

 

Dr. Holmes Keikobad

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Hi Ann

 

Can you describe the " Aggressive Energy protocol " and its clinical

applications, please?

 

 

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Maybe this was a Warlock!

Dr. Holmes Keikobad

MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

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" Ann " <dr.annzee

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Friday, July 02, 2004 8:22 AM

RE: Re: the dragons treatment

 

 

> A five element practitioner in town offered a 5 elem seminar to those of

> us that practice meridian style acu. A friend of mine volunteered for

> the Internal dragons demonstration. Afterwards she felt completely out

> of body and was very upset that she felt so disconnected from herself.

> It took her weeks to " come back " . One of the other attendees used this

> same protocol afterwards in her practice on a patient. The patient came

> back the next day swearing and cursing. " what the f** & & ^% did you do to

> me? " she screamed. " I feel so out of body "

> Can any 5E acu explain this strange occurrence? Because of it, I only

> utilize the Aggressive Energy protocol on patients, I won't go near any

> of the other ones.

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Phil,

 

Use Yin shu points on the back.

starting at (you must follow this order)

UB13

UB14

UB18

UB20

UB23 - located 2 cun from DU, not 1 1/2 cun, feel for the hollow

-then note for red ring around UB14, if so, then needle UB15

-patient will feel tired after treatment.

-used to clear away " blocks " to treatment like anger,

frustration....anything that will impede the Qi flow

-when inserting the needles, focus your intention up the DU m' to DU20

to help clear away the blocks

-remove the needles when all red rings around the needles have

disappeared

 

This treatment was effective when I was treating a woman with

infertility. Before we started the typical protocol relating to her

diagnosis, I felt it best to use the AE to clear away the anger and

frustration she was exhibiting. She presented as a much calmer, nicer

patient on subsequent visits.

 

Ann

 

 

[]

July 2, 2004 10:18 AM

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RE: Re: the dragons treatment

 

 

Hi Ann

 

Can you describe the " Aggressive Energy protocol " and its clinical

applications, please?

 

 

Best regards,

 

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Hi Holmes & All,

 

Holmes wrote:

> What if the dragons leave the patient and jump into the healer. How

> would one know if that has happened, or not?

 

Below is an extract from my mail of Feb 16th last:

 

Roy Ogden, my first teacher in energy-healing (in the Spirit World

for some years now; may he Rest Easy) used " Distant Healing " on

some of his more seriously ill patients. His clinical results were

remarkable.

 

In " Distant Healing " (Qi Gong if you wish) Roy used to meditate or

concentrate on his patients, using their photographs as " Links " . He

believed that possession by a malevolent Entity/Spirit is the root

cause of MOST addiction (booze, drugs, gambling, etc).

 

Therefore, Roy also believed that the " Root Tx " in these cases was

to visualise disassociation of those Spirits from the body/psyche of

his patients and to ask God (pray) to be Merciful and grant those

troubled Spirits a peaceful " home " elsewhere.

 

One evening, Roy was using this technique on a set of about 6-10

of his addicted patients. He had their photos spread on the desk in

front of him. Within minutes of starting the meditation, Roy

developed catatonia (tonic paralysis).

 

Luckily, his daughter (an MD and great homeopath) entered the

room shortly after Roy's attack. She found him catatonic; he was

totally unconscious (at least non-responsive) to her attempts to

restore him to " normal " consciousness.

 

Seeing the photos in front of her father, and knowing Roy's

methods, Liz suspected what was happening - that one or more

" Disassociated Spirits " had attacked Roy and taken control of his

consciousness.

 

Liz gathered all the photos, threw them in the fire, and prayed for

her father's safe return. He regained consciousness, without any

sequels, very quickly afterwards.

 

Roy taught me to be very careful (ALWAYS ask God's help, and

ALWAYS tell someone else to " watch your back " ) when dealing

with possible Malevolent Spirits. That was why I referred one

suspect case (a Turkish man) to a highly skilled MD/Acupuncturist

and to his priest) immediately after the adverse reaction to needling

Qihai. The man did not report back to me, so I do not know the

outcome of that case.

 

 

 

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Hello,

I never send anybody to a shrink or a medic, for that matter.

The only medics I refer to are dentists

 

 

stephen

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " stephen macallan "

> <stephenmacallan@u...> wrote:

> > >

> >

> > The key to a possession according to Worsley, and my experience

> > substantiates it, is that when you make eye contact with the patient -

> > there's nobody home and/or when you make that contact you get scared.

> >

>

> so when do you make the determination to do ID/ED vs refer to a shrink... if

ever?

>

> rh

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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hiya,

warlock aside, I would guess the out of body feeling relates more

to an extremely inappropriate treatment on the earth officials, than

anything happening as a result of summoning the dragons

inappropriately. Summoning the dragons when not needed has never, in

my personal experience and the experience of a few colleagues,

resulted in anything like this.

 

 

stephen>

 

 

 

Maybe this was a Warlock!

> Dr. Holmes Keikobad

> MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

> www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video.

> NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states.

> -

> " Ann " <dr.annzee

> <Chinese Medicine >

> Friday, July 02, 2004 8:22 AM

> RE: Re: the dragons treatment

>

>

> > A five element practitioner in town offered a 5 elem seminar to those of

> > us that practice meridian style acu. A friend of mine volunteered for

> > the Internal dragons demonstration. Afterwards she felt completely out

> > of body and was very upset that she felt so disconnected from herself.

> > It took her weeks to " come back " . One of the other attendees used this

> > same protocol afterwards in her practice on a patient. The patient came

> > back the next day swearing and cursing. " what the f** & & ^% did you do to

> > me? " she screamed. " I feel so out of body "

> > Can any 5E acu explain this strange occurrence? Because of it, I only

> > utilize the Aggressive Energy protocol on patients, I won't go near any

> > of the other ones.

>

>

>

>

>

>

--

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Lic.Ac., B.Ac., M.Ac., M.H.,

Cert.B.E.R.M., M.H.

M.B.Ac.C.,M.A.M.H.

Acupuncturist, Herbalist,

Kosmed practitioner

Vega-tester

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hello phil and ann,

this is not quite what I was taught. Three

principle differences. First 'draining AE' should be a one-time event,

done at 1st treatment and MUST be done before doing any other

treatment and is only a treatment when there is some AE to drain.

Aggressive energy is somewhat of a misnomer, better is 'polluted

ch'i'.Draining AE is nothing to do with clearing away anger - it is

only to do with removing polluted ch'i. If there is no polluted ch'i,

then the protocol merely sedates, slightly, the relevant officials,

,including liver - hence, perhaps, the calmer, nicer patient.

 

Very superficial needling of the points, only into wei level, is the

test procedure - AE is present if an erythema occurs around the needle

and does not occur around a test needle superficially inserted not

into an acup point but nearby

 

Also draining AE from UB14 will drain it from the heart and so UB15

should not be used - cos its risky

 

regardez

 

stephen

 

 

 

Phil,

>

> Use Yin shu points on the back.

> starting at (you must follow this order)

> UB13

> UB14

> UB18

> UB20

> UB23 - located 2 cun from DU, not 1 1/2 cun, feel for the hollow

> -then note for red ring around UB14, if so, then needle UB15

> -patient will feel tired after treatment.

> -used to clear away " blocks " to treatment like anger,

> frustration....anything that will impede the Qi flow

> -when inserting the needles, focus your intention up the DU m' to DU20

> to help clear away the blocks

> -remove the needles when all red rings around the needles have

> disappeared

>

> This treatment was effective when I was treating a woman with

> infertility. Before we started the typical protocol relating to her

> diagnosis, I felt it best to use the AE to clear away the anger and

> frustration she was exhibiting. She presented as a much calmer, nicer

> patient on subsequent visits.

>

> Ann

>

>

> []

> July 2, 2004 10:18 AM

> Chinese Medicine

> RE: Re: the dragons treatment

>

>

> Hi Ann

>

> Can you describe the " Aggressive Energy protocol " and its clinical

> applications, please?

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Email: <

>

>

>

>

> Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, religious,

spam messages,flame another member or swear.

>

>

http://babel.altavista.com/

>

>

and adjust

accordingly.

>

> If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being

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>

>

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If AE is a misnomer, why does everyone use it? And what is 'polluted

qi'?

 

" Sedation " , by the way, is also a misnomer.

 

 

On Jul 2, 2004, at 1:50 PM, stephen macallan wrote:

 

> hello phil and ann,

> this is not quite what I was taught. Three

> principle differences. First 'draining AE' should be a one-time event,

> done at 1st treatment and MUST be done before doing any other

> treatment and is only a treatment when there is some AE to drain.

> Aggressive energy is somewhat of a misnomer, better is 'polluted

> ch'i'.Draining AE is nothing to do with clearing away anger - it is

> only to do with removing polluted ch'i. If there is no polluted ch'i,

> then the protocol merely sedates, slightly, the relevant officials,

> ,including liver - hence, perhaps, the calmer, nicer patient.

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This is what I learned, too. Although I use AE for the removal of

" polluted qi " , I also use it very often for stress. It does have a very

nice sedating affect. Patients with a lot of stress (which is just

about everyone, unless they are living under a rock), or those with

anxiety do very well with this treatment as a sedation. I have never

had a negative reaction and have been doing this for about 6 years.

 

 

stephen macallan [stephenmacallan]

Friday, July 10, 2893 3:44 PM

Chinese Medicine

Re: Re: the dragons treatment

 

hello phil and ann,

this is not quite what I was taught. Three

principle differences. First 'draining AE' should be a one-time event,

done at 1st treatment and MUST be done before doing any other

treatment and is only a treatment when there is some AE to drain.

Aggressive energy is somewhat of a misnomer, better is 'polluted

ch'i'.Draining AE is nothing to do with clearing away anger - it is

only to do with removing polluted ch'i. If there is no polluted ch'i,

then the protocol merely sedates, slightly, the relevant officials,

,including liver - hence, perhaps, the calmer, nicer patient.

 

Very superficial needling of the points, only into wei level, is the

test procedure - AE is present if an erythema occurs around the needle

and does not occur around a test needle superficially inserted not

into an acup point but nearby

 

Also draining AE from UB14 will drain it from the heart and so UB15

should not be used - cos its risky

 

regardez

 

stephen

 

 

 

Phil,

>

> Use Yin shu points on the back.

> starting at (you must follow this order)

> UB13

> UB14

> UB18

> UB20

> UB23 - located 2 cun from DU, not 1 1/2 cun, feel for the hollow

> -then note for red ring around UB14, if so, then needle UB15

> -patient will feel tired after treatment.

> -used to clear away " blocks " to treatment like anger,

> frustration....anything that will impede the Qi flow

> -when inserting the needles, focus your intention up the DU m' to DU20

> to help clear away the blocks

> -remove the needles when all red rings around the needles have

> disappeared

>

> This treatment was effective when I was treating a woman with

> infertility. Before we started the typical protocol relating to her

> diagnosis, I felt it best to use the AE to clear away the anger and

> frustration she was exhibiting. She presented as a much calmer, nicer

> patient on subsequent visits.

>

> Ann

>

>

> []

> July 2, 2004 10:18 AM

> Chinese Medicine

> RE: Re: the dragons treatment

>

>

> Hi Ann

>

> Can you describe the " Aggressive Energy protocol " and its clinical

> applications, please?

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Hi Stephen,

 

thank you for the lesson! Is polluted chi referring to the effects

typical western environmental factors like a poor diet, poor air quality

and stress have on chi?

 

thank you,

 

Ann

 

 

stephen macallan [stephenmacallan]

July 2, 2004 2:50 PM

Chinese Medicine

Re: Re: the dragons treatment

 

 

hello phil and ann,

this is not quite what I was taught. Three

principle differences. First 'draining AE' should be a one-time event,

done at 1st treatment and MUST be done before doing any other

treatment and is only a treatment when there is some AE to drain.

Aggressive energy is somewhat of a misnomer, better is 'polluted

ch'i'.Draining AE is nothing to do with clearing away anger - it is

only to do with removing polluted ch'i. If there is no polluted ch'i,

then the protocol merely sedates, slightly, the relevant officials,

,including liver - hence, perhaps, the calmer, nicer patient.

 

Very superficial needling of the points, only into wei level, is the

test procedure - AE is present if an erythema occurs around the needle

and does not occur around a test needle superficially inserted not

into an acup point but nearby

 

Also draining AE from UB14 will drain it from the heart and so UB15

should not be used - cos its risky

 

regardez

 

stephen

 

 

 

Phil,

>

> Use Yin shu points on the back.

> starting at (you must follow this order)

> UB13

> UB14

> UB18

> UB20

> UB23 - located 2 cun from DU, not 1 1/2 cun, feel for the hollow

> -then note for red ring around UB14, if so, then needle UB15

> -patient will feel tired after treatment.

> -used to clear away " blocks " to treatment like anger,

> frustration....anything that will impede the Qi flow

> -when inserting the needles, focus your intention up the DU m' to DU20

> to help clear away the blocks

> -remove the needles when all red rings around the needles have

> disappeared

>

> This treatment was effective when I was treating a woman with

> infertility. Before we started the typical protocol relating to her

> diagnosis, I felt it best to use the AE to clear away the anger and

> frustration she was exhibiting. She presented as a much calmer, nicer

> patient on subsequent visits.

>

> Ann

>

>

> []

> July 2, 2004 10:18 AM

> Chinese Medicine

> RE: Re: the dragons treatment

>

>

> Hi Ann

>

> Can you describe the " Aggressive Energy protocol " and its clinical

> applications, please?

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macallan " <stephenmacallan@u...> wrote:

> Hello,

> I never send anybody to a shrink or a medic, for that matter.

> The only medics I refer to are dentists

>

>

> stephen

>

Are you saying you never refer out to the Medical community (MDs) ?

That sounds somewhat foolish, could you explain?>

 

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> Chinese Medicine , " stephen

macallan "

> > <stephenmacallan@u...> wrote:

> > > >

> > >

> > > The key to a possession according to Worsley, and my experience

> > > substantiates it, is that when you make eye contact with the

patient -

> > > there's nobody home and/or when you make that contact you get

scared.

> > >

> >

> > so when do you make the determination to do ID/ED vs refer to a

shrink... if ever?

> >

> > rh

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Well jason,

the medical community is now the leading cause of death in

the USA, all pharmaceuticals interfere with acupuncture, herbs, Kosmed

etc to a greater or lesser degree. 75% of cancers worlwide are caused

by medically requested X-rays. The further away you live from a doctor

the healthier you will be. Only twice in recent times has the death

rate per annum showed a marked downturn - once in Israel when the

medics went on strike and once in Holland, during the last war when

the germans commandeered all medical supplies. In the UK in the

mid70's a nationwide survey showed that over 70% of all hospital

admissions were for ppl suffering iatrogenic disease. In 1996 a

hospital in the north of england organised an in-house survey which

showed that 63% of all admissions were were for iatrogenic disease,

the consultant in charge resigned her post. Breast screening is more

likely to cause a cancer than discover one leading to Belgium

abandoning screening and other countries re-considering. Cervical

smears are only 16% accurate. BMJ recently declared that blood tests

are 50-90% accurate - well 90% I can live with, but 50% that's no

better than a guess. The recent big HRT study in the UK was abandoned

because too many women were getting cancer. And you ask me why I don't

refer to medics!!!

 

> Chinese Medicine , " stephen

> macallan " <stephenmacallan@u...> wrote:

> > Hello,

> > I never send anybody to a shrink or a medic, for that matter.

> > The only medics I refer to are dentists

> >

> >

> > stephen

> >

> Are you saying you never refer out to the Medical community (MDs) ?

> That sounds somewhat foolish, could you explain?>

>

> -

>

> > Chinese Medicine , " stephen

> macallan "

> > > <stephenmacallan@u...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > The key to a possession according to Worsley, and my experience

> > > > substantiates it, is that when you make eye contact with the

> patient -

> > > > there's nobody home and/or when you make that contact you get

> scared.

> > > >

> > >

> > > so when do you make the determination to do ID/ED vs refer to a

> shrink... if ever?

> > >

> > > rh

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hello Ann,

ok 'polluted ch'i doesn't quite get the flavour either.

'Destructive' Ch'i may be even better, the concept as taught at

leamington is that the AE is damaging to the system and (see Gye's ml)

a core concept of 5e practice is moving ch'i around the system so

moving destructive ch'i is a bad idea. But AE is taught as coming from

drug abuse (pharma and recreational) emotional trauma etc rather than

poor diet/poor air, and just yesterday I heard about an AE drain as

being instrumental in reversing a recent case of autism post MMR

 

 

> thank you for the lesson!

 

I don't mean to cause offense - I'm only trying to clarify

 

 

Is polluted chi referring to the effects

> typical western environmental factors like a poor diet, poor air quality

> and stress have on chi?

>

> thank you,

>

> Ann

>

>

> stephen macallan [stephenmacallan]

> July 2, 2004 2:50 PM

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> Re: Re: the dragons treatment

>

>

> hello phil and ann,

> this is not quite what I was taught. Three

> principle differences. First 'draining AE' should be a one-time event,

> done at 1st treatment and MUST be done before doing any other

> treatment and is only a treatment when there is some AE to drain.

> Aggressive energy is somewhat of a misnomer, better is 'polluted

> ch'i'.Draining AE is nothing to do with clearing away anger - it is

> only to do with removing polluted ch'i. If there is no polluted ch'i,

> then the protocol merely sedates, slightly, the relevant officials,

> ,including liver - hence, perhaps, the calmer, nicer patient.

>

> Very superficial needling of the points, only into wei level, is the

> test procedure - AE is present if an erythema occurs around the needle

> and does not occur around a test needle superficially inserted not

> into an acup point but nearby

>

> Also draining AE from UB14 will drain it from the heart and so UB15

> should not be used - cos its risky

>

> regardez

>

> stephen

>

>

>

> Phil,

> >

> > Use Yin shu points on the back.

> > starting at (you must follow this order)

> > UB13

> > UB14

> > UB18

> > UB20

> > UB23 - located 2 cun from DU, not 1 1/2 cun, feel for the hollow

> > -then note for red ring around UB14, if so, then needle UB15

> > -patient will feel tired after treatment.

> > -used to clear away " blocks " to treatment like anger,

> > frustration....anything that will impede the Qi flow

> > -when inserting the needles, focus your intention up the DU m' to DU20

> > to help clear away the blocks

> > -remove the needles when all red rings around the needles have

> > disappeared

> >

> > This treatment was effective when I was treating a woman with

> > infertility. Before we started the typical protocol relating to her

> > diagnosis, I felt it best to use the AE to clear away the anger and

> > frustration she was exhibiting. She presented as a much calmer, nicer

> > patient on subsequent visits.

> >

> > Ann

> >

> >

> > []

> > July 2, 2004 10:18 AM

> > Chinese Medicine

> > RE: Re: the dragons treatment

> >

> >

> > Hi Ann

> >

> > Can you describe the " Aggressive Energy protocol " and its clinical

> > applications, please?

>

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hello Z'ev

hmmmm AE is not actually a misnomer - it is just the case

that many english speaking ppl confuse aggressive and anger. AE is the

name that was taught by Jack Worsley and I was trying to clarify that

the AE protocol is not intended to dispel or get rid of anger, the

purpose of draining AE is to get rid of 'destructive' or 'bad' or

'polluted' ch'i.

>

 

 

 

 

 

If AE is a misnomer, why does everyone use it?

 

Cos thats how Jack taught it.

 

 

And what is 'polluted

> qi'?

 

 

See above>

 

 

> " Sedation " , by the way, is also a misnomer.

 

No it is not, if AE does not drain during the protocol, then the

protocol produces a mild sedation of the officials. That is the 5E

teaching.

 

 

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the dragons are the good guys and dont jump into the healer. The

demons might and the healer need s to take appropriate precautions

 

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> What if the dragons leave the patient and jump into the healer.

> How would one know if that has happened, or not?

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Hi Stephen,

 

You have some really interesting stats in your posting. I was wondering

if you could provide me with some references for them, as I would like

to have that information to share with patient.

 

Thanks,

 

Mark

 

On Sun, 2004-07-04 at 10:20, stephen macallan wrote:

> Well jason,

> the medical community is now the leading cause of death in

> the USA, all pharmaceuticals interfere with acupuncture, herbs, Kosmed

> etc to a greater or lesser degree. 75% of cancers worlwide are caused

> by medically requested X-rays. The further away you live from a doctor

> the healthier you will be. Only twice in recent times has the death

> rate per annum showed a marked downturn - once in Israel when the

> medics went on strike and once in Holland, during the last war when

> the germans commandeered all medical supplies. In the UK in the

> mid70's a nationwide survey showed that over 70% of all hospital

> admissions were for ppl suffering iatrogenic disease. In 1996 a

> hospital in the north of england organised an in-house survey which

> showed that 63% of all admissions were were for iatrogenic disease,

> the consultant in charge resigned her post. Breast screening is more

> likely to cause a cancer than discover one leading to Belgium

> abandoning screening and other countries re-considering. Cervical

> smears are only 16% accurate. BMJ recently declared that blood tests

> are 50-90% accurate - well 90% I can live with, but 50% that's no

> better than a guess. The recent big HRT study in the UK was abandoned

> because too many women were getting cancer. And you ask me why I don't

> refer to medics!!!

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macallan " <stephenmacallan@u...> wrote:

> Well jason,

> the medical community is now the leading cause of death in

> the USA, all pharmaceuticals interfere with acupuncture, herbs, Kosmed

> etc to a greater or lesser degree. 75% of cancers worlwide are caused

> by medically requested X-rays. The further away you live from a doctor

> the healthier you will be. Only twice in recent times has the death

> rate per annum showed a marked downturn - once in Israel when the

> medics went on strike and once in Holland, during the last war when

> the germans commandeered all medical supplies. In the UK in the

> mid70's a nationwide survey showed that over 70% of all hospital

> admissions were for ppl suffering iatrogenic disease. In 1996 a

> hospital in the north of england organised an in-house survey which

> showed that 63% of all admissions were were for iatrogenic disease,

> the consultant in charge resigned her post. Breast screening is more

> likely to cause a cancer than discover one leading to Belgium

> abandoning screening and other countries re-considering. Cervical

> smears are only 16% accurate. BMJ recently declared that blood tests

> are 50-90% accurate - well 90% I can live with, but 50% that's no

> better than a guess. The recent big HRT study in the UK was abandoned

> because too many women were getting cancer. And you ask me why I don't

> refer to medics!!!

 

Well I agree with some of your statements above I question your source

on most of the above stats, but that aside, I think there are

definitely times to refer out, there is no question in my mind that

people need to go to the ER or even get a medical opinion and

treatment for many conditions. Western medicine has a very important

positive side also, and I think that it is foolish to think that TCM

or alternative medicine for that matter can treat everything.

Understanding systems strengths and weakness is essential, IMO, for

proper health care for the public. But everyone has a right to there

opinion, but I think it is limiting to not see the good in western

medicine, but that is just me. On a side note: remember the majority

of modern CM completely integrates itself with western medicine. They

use the best of both worlds… Medical wisdom, IMO, is to know when you

can't treat something and refer out… (and many times that means to an MD)…

 

Respectively,

 

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The more powerful your arsenal, the more potential for potent positives

and negatives. I agree with the previous statements about the high

iatrogenesis of Western medicine, and the abuses in this mega-system

are well documented. However, we need to put our money where our

mouths are. We are a very young profession with many problems (both

Chinese and alternative medicine), and simply cannot take over from

Western medicine, especially in the areas of trauma and emergency

medicine. We don't have the resources to save lives, and no one in

their right mind would substitute anything for emergency WM care after

a major auto accident.

 

What worries me most about WM these days, especially in the U.S., is

the advertising of powerful pharmaceutical drugs to the public on

television and in the media, suggesting that consumers ask their

doctors for these drugs. A major ethical divide has been opened here,

one which I understand from my British friends here in San Diego has

not been breached in Europe at this time.

 

 

On Jul 4, 2004, at 11:13 AM, wrote:

 

> Well I agree with some of your statements above I question your source

> on most of the above stats, but that aside, I think there are

> definitely times to refer out, there is no question in my mind that

> people need to go to the ER or even get a medical opinion and

> treatment for many conditions. Western medicine has a very important

> positive side also, and I think that it is foolish to think that TCM

> or alternative medicine for that matter can treat everything.

> Understanding systems strengths and weakness is essential, IMO, for

> proper health care for the public. But everyone has a right to there

> opinion, but I think it is limiting to not see the good in western

> medicine, but that is just me. On a side note: remember the majority

> of modern CM completely integrates itself with western medicine. They

> use the best of both worlds… Medical wisdom, IMO, is to know when you

> can't treat something and refer out… (and many times that means to an

> MD)…

>

> Respectively,

>

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