Guest guest Report post Posted September 18, 2008 Naja in homeopathic form. This is definetly a vaccine reaction they travel the nerves. I have perscribed for a technician that developed it.Sincerely,Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology : twylahoodah: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:33:39 -0700Bell's Palsy Hullo...HELP! Has anyone had good results treating Bell's Palsy? Any magical point prescriptions with or without the use of e-stim? Or will the cookie cutter formula will do just as well? thanks heaps!th[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _______________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 18, 2008 Hi Twyla, I recently saw a patient from out of town with Bell's palsy. I sent my findings, treatment protocol and herbal formula to a practitioner where he lives. Here's what I sent: " Here were my findings regarding your patient: His pulses were generally thready, deep and slow. I would agree with your diagnosis of wind in the channels, but I would attribute it to underlying Yang, Yin and Blood vacuity. In the right wrist, in the Cun position, the pulse was thready deep and choppy, In the Guan position, they were thready, deep, and rapid, and in the Qi position thready and wiry. On the left, in the Cun and Qi positions, they were thready weak and slightly choppy, in the Guan, they were thready. The tongue was moist, with swollen sides, a red tip and a slighly purple middle. I used threading needling threading from St 4-St6, and GB 14 to Yu Yao. In addition I used local points SJ 17, Yin Tang, SI 19 and Du 20, Distally, I needled GB31, GB34, Kd3 and Sp 6. I used electroacupuncture on the facial points. I prescribed the formula Bu Yang Huan Yu Wan, to be taken 1/2 hour before meals TID. " Of course, you have to treat the patient and his/her pattern, and not the condition, but if there are parallels between our patients, I hope you find what I did useful. Best of luck, --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Twyla <twylahoodah wrote: Twyla <twylahoodah Bell's Palsy Chinese Traditional Medicine Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 7:33 PM Hullo...HELP! Has anyone had good results treating Bell's Palsy? Any magical point prescriptions with or without the use of e-stim? Or will the cookie cutter formula will do just as well? thanks heaps! th Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 18, 2008 thanks all! I knew I had come across a homeopathic someplace...much appreciate! --- On Thu, 9/18/08, wrote: Re: Bell's Palsy Chinese Medicine Thursday, September 18, 2008, 2:48 AM Hi Twyla, I recently saw a patient from out of town with Bell's palsy. I sent my findings, treatment protocol and herbal formula to a practitioner where he lives. Here's what I sent: " Here were my findings regarding your patient: His pulses were generally thready, deep and slow. I would agree with your diagnosis of wind in the channels, but I would attribute it to underlying Yang, Yin and Blood vacuity. In the right wrist, in the Cun position, the pulse was thready deep and choppy, In the Guan position, they were thready, deep, and rapid, and in the Qi position thready and wiry. On the left, in the Cun and Qi positions, they were thready weak and slightly choppy, in the Guan, they were thready. The tongue was moist, with swollen sides, a red tip and a slighly purple middle. I used threading needling threading from St 4-St6, and GB 14 to Yu Yao. In addition I used local points SJ 17, Yin Tang, SI 19 and Du 20, Distally, I needled GB31, GB34, Kd3 and Sp 6. I used electroacupuncture on the facial points. I prescribed the formula Bu Yang Huan Yu Wan, to be taken 1/2 hour before meals TID. " Of course, you have to treat the patient and his/her pattern, and not the condition, but if there are parallels between our patients, I hope you find what I did useful. Best of luck, www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Twyla <twylahoodah@ > wrote: Twyla <twylahoodah@ > Bell's Palsy traditional_ chinese_medicine Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 7:33 PM Hullo...HELP! Has anyone had good results treating Bell's Palsy? Any magical point prescriptions with or without the use of e-stim? Or will the cookie cutter formula will do just as well? thanks heaps! th Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 18, 2008 Hi Twyla, Along with the local points mention below, I have used Evergreens SYMMETRY formula ?? plus generous massage on the face,neck, & scalp. ?I've seen improvement after the first treatment. Take care. ?????????????????????????????????????????????? amycalibuso? Chinese Medicine Thu, 18 Sep 2008 2:48 am Re: Bell's Palsy Hi Twyla, ? I recently saw a patient from out of town?with Bell's palsy.? I sent my findings, treatment protocol and herbal formula to a practitioner where he lives.?Here's what I sent: ? " Here were my findings regarding your patient:? His pulses were?generally ?thready, deep and slow.? I would agree with your diagnosis of wind in the channels, but I would attribute it to underlying ?Yang, Yin and Blood vacuity.? In the right wrist, in the Cun position,? the pulse was thready deep and choppy, In the Guan position, they were thready, deep,?and rapid, ?and in the Qi position??thready and wiry. On the left, in the Cun and Qi?positions, they were thready weak and slightly choppy, in the Guan, they were thready.? The tongue was moist, with swollen sides, a red tip and a slighly purple middle.? I used threading needling threading from St 4-St6, and GB 14 to Yu Yao.? In addition I used local points SJ 17, Yin Tang, SI 19 and Du 20,? Distally, I needled GB31, GB34, ?Kd3 and Sp 6.? I used electroacupuncture on the facial points.? I prescribed the formula Bu Yang Huan Yu Wan, to be taken 1/2 hour before meals TID. " Of course, you have to treat the patient and his/her pattern, ?and not the?condition, but if there are parallels between our patients, I hope you find what I did useful. ? Best of luck, ? ? ? --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Twyla <twylahoodah wrote: Twyla <twylahoodah Bell's Palsy Chinese Traditional Medicine Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 7:33 PM Hullo...HELP! ? Has anyone had good results treating Bell's Palsy? Any magical point prescriptions with or without the use of e-stim? Or will the cookie cutter formula will do just as well? ? thanks heaps! th Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 19, 2008 I treated a patient for Bell's Palsy last summer. I did mostly local points and also wind points. She had noticeable results with each treatment, but the condition did not fully resolve until she changed jobs and no longer worked with a heavy fan blowing on her. Andrea Beth Traditional Oriental Medicine Happy Hours in the CALM Center 753 N. Main Street, Suite C-1 Cottonwood, AZ 86326 (928) 274-1373 --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Twyla <twylahoodah wrote: Twyla <twylahoodah Bell's Palsy Chinese Traditional Medicine Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 7:33 PM Hullo...HELP! Has anyone had good results treating Bell's Palsy? Any magical point prescriptions with or without the use of e-stim? Or will the cookie cutter formula will do just as well? thanks heaps! th Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 19, 2008 Hi all, I just returned from Seoul, South Korea where I did another clinical observation at the wonderful KyungHee University Hospital. They have many Bell's Palsy patients and in fact a triweekly clinic where 4-5 doctors treat 100's daily. I saw many PB txs, all age groups, all types. I can only give you basic protocols as the tx's varied individually. However, a few general things; BP is seen as a YangMing disorder and therefore they always used ST36 and LI4. Facial pts usually included GV26, ( don't use with cerebral hemorrhage) CV24, ST4, LI20 and ST3. Often TH4,LI11,LR3 and SP6 used as distal pts. Always tx the affected facial mm, needle in and out all around the specific facial mm (not pt specific, just follow the actual mm) to stimulate, direction of needles important, needles angle up to " lift' the mm. Find out which facial nerve affected by the virus (ie trigeminal) and tx area accordingly. They also used the pts in the webs of the fingers and lots of scalp pts (St8, GB15) to stimulate the frontal lobe problems. TDP lamp on affected area very useful. There is a similar protocol used for stroke patients. I have used this protocol with individual differences with great effect for stroke and BP. Hope this helps, Larissa Chinese Medicine , Twyla <twylahoodah wrote: > > > Hullo...HELP! > > Has anyone had good results treating Bell's Palsy? Any magical point prescriptions with or without the use of e-stim? Or will the cookie cutter formula will do just as well? > > thanks heaps! > th > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 19, 2008 David Mayor's book Electroacupuncture discusses the use of electroacupuncture in the treatment of Bell's Palsy. If i remember correctly, you can only use electroacupuncture in the latter part of the disease. See his book for further info. Attilio www.chinesemedicinetimes.com Chinese Medicine , Miriam Derman <miriamderman wrote: > > I am currently treating a case of Bell's Palsy, 3 1/2 weeks out from the onset, in a patient who is taking Humera for Crohn's disease. I would like advice on the use of estim, settings and duration and frequency of treatment. The patient is a 55 year old male. Pt. prefers not to take chinese herbs and as of now I am using needles and moxa. > Thanks, > Miriam Tamara Derman, RN LAc > Innergate Therapeutics > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 19, 2008 Hello MIriam: It is important with Bell's Palsy to distinguish between channel and network stroke and visceral stroke. The latter contains additional distinctions between block patterns and desertion patterns. Point selection follows based on those distinctions. Regards, Jack --- On Sat, 10/18/08, Miriam Derman <miriamderman wrote: Miriam Derman <miriamderman Bell's Palsy Chinese Medicine Saturday, October 18, 2008, 4:27 AM I am currently treating a case of Bell's Palsy, 3 1/2 weeks out from the onset, in a patient who is taking Humera for Crohn's disease. I would like advice on the use of estim, settings and duration and frequency of treatment. The patient is a 55 year old male. Pt. prefers not to take chinese herbs and as of now I am using needles and moxa. Thanks, Miriam Tamara Derman, RN LAc Innergate Therapeutics ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 20, 2008 Needle Ce San Li, Ce Xia San Li, Mu Dou, Mu Liu, Qian Zheng on the contralateral side every other day for a period of 2 weeks. Bloodlet Er Jian on the affected side. The patient needs herbals: Qian Zheng San and Bu Yang Huan Wu Tang. Best of luck, On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 4:27 AM, Miriam Derman <miriamdermanwrote: > I am currently treating a case of Bell's Palsy, 3 1/2 weeks out from the > onset, in a patient who is taking Humera for Crohn's disease. I would like > advice on the use of estim, settings and duration and frequency of > treatment. The patient is a 55 year old male. Pt. prefers not to take > chinese herbs and as of now I am using needles and moxa. > Thanks, > Miriam Tamara Derman, RN LAc > Innergate Therapeutics > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 20, 2008 Robert Is Er Jian the same as Erzhong/77.06 in Dr. Young's book? Thanks for any clarification Turiya Hill, L.Ac. - Robert Chu Chinese Medicine Monday, October 20, 2008 12:49 PM Re: Bell's Palsy Needle Ce San Li, Ce Xia San Li, Mu Dou, Mu Liu, Qian Zheng on the contralateral side every other day for a period of 2 weeks. Bloodlet Er Jian on the affected side. The patient needs herbals: Qian Zheng San and Bu Yang Huan Wu Tang. Best of luck, On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 4:27 AM, Miriam Derman <miriamdermanwrote: > I am currently treating a case of Bell's Palsy, 3 1/2 weeks out from the > onset, in a patient who is taking Humera for Crohn's disease. I would like > advice on the use of estim, settings and duration and frequency of > treatment. The patient is a 55 year old male. Pt. prefers not to take > chinese herbs and as of now I am using needles and moxa. > Thanks, > Miriam Tamara Derman, RN LAc > Innergate Therapeutics > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 20, 2008 Er Jian is Ear Apex - 10 drops of blood is good. On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Turiya Hill <turiya wrote: > Robert > Is Er Jian the same as Erzhong/77.06 in Dr. Young's book? > Thanks for any clarification > Turiya Hill, L.Ac. > - > Robert Chu > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > Monday, October 20, 2008 12:49 PM > Re: Bell's Palsy > > Needle Ce San Li, Ce Xia San Li, Mu Dou, Mu Liu, Qian Zheng on the > contralateral side every other day for a period of 2 weeks. Bloodlet Er > Jian on the affected side. > > The patient needs herbals: Qian Zheng San and Bu Yang Huan Wu Tang. > > Best of luck, > > On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 4:27 AM, Miriam Derman <miriamderman<miriamderman%40> > >wrote: > > > I am currently treating a case of Bell's Palsy, 3 1/2 weeks out from the > > onset, in a patient who is taking Humera for Crohn's disease. I would > like > > advice on the use of estim, settings and duration and frequency of > > treatment. The patient is a 55 year old male. Pt. prefers not to take > > chinese herbs and as of now I am using needles and moxa. > > Thanks, > > Miriam Tamara Derman, RN LAc > > Innergate Therapeutics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 21, 2008 Jack, Do you see Bell's Palsy manifest as a visceral strike? It seems a bit extreme for the presentation. For example from Qin Bo-Wei: * Visceral strike: Spirit radiance is scattered and disorderly, tongue is unable to speak, and foaming oral-mucus flows from the mouth. Commentary: Additional signs and symptoms are loss of control of the urine and bowels, mouth has difficulty opening. This may be a deep coma and is difficult to cure. -Jason Jack Sweeney Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:29 PM Chinese Medicine Re: Bell's Palsy Hello MIriam: It is important with Bell's Palsy to distinguish between channel and network stroke and visceral stroke. The latter contains additional distinctions between block patterns and desertion patterns. Point selection follows based on those distinctions. Regards, Jack --- On Sat, 10/18/08, Miriam Derman <miriamderman wrote: Miriam Derman <miriamderman Bell's Palsy Chinese Medicine Saturday, October 18, 2008, 4:27 AM I am currently treating a case of Bell's Palsy, 3 1/2 weeks out from the onset, in a patient who is taking Humera for Crohn's disease. I would like advice on the use of estim, settings and duration and frequency of treatment. The patient is a 55 year old male. Pt. prefers not to take chinese herbs and as of now I am using needles and moxa. Thanks, Miriam Tamara Derman, RN LAc Innergate Therapeutics ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 23, 2008 Hi All, & Robert, Robert Chu wrote: > Needle Ce San Li, Ce Xia San Li, Mu Dou, Mu Liu, Qian Zheng on the > contralateral side every other day for a period of 2 weeks. Bloodlet > Er Jian on the affected side. The patient needs herbals: Qian Zheng > San and Bu Yang Huan Wu Tang. Details for acupoints Cesanli, Cexiasanli, Mudou, Muliu, Qianzheng & Erjian are below. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cesanlixue - Dong 77.22 [Lateral to 3 Li (Sanli-ST36) Pt] horizontally 1.5 " lateral to ST36; Needle 0.5 -1.0 " deep Teeth & LU Reflex Area Toothache; Gingivitis, Face nerve palsy; always combine Cexiasanli + Cesanli contralaterally in practice >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cexiasanlixue - Dong 77.23 [Distal to Lateral to 3 Li (Sanli-ST36) Pt] longitudinally 2 " below Cesanli; Needle 0.5-1.0 " deep Tx same as Cesanli; both Pts (Cexiasanli + Cesanli) always combine contralaterally in practice >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mudouxuexue - Dong 66.07 [Wood Scoop Pt] 1 " prox to web between toes 3-4; Needle 0.5-1.0 " deep Same as Muliuxue but excluding Leukaemia >>>>>>>>>>>>> Muliuxuexue - Dong 66.06 [Wood Keep Pt] 1.5 " prox to web between toes 3-4; Needle 0.5-1.0 " deep SP & LV Reflex Area SP enlargement; Indigestion, LV disease, Fatigue, GB disease, Cholecystitis, polio~ pediatric & Leukaemia >>>>>>>>>>>>> Qianzheng; Qianzhengxue; Jiuzheng - Ex-HN16 [Lead to Correct [Position]; Haul Correctly; Direct [Face] Correctly Pt; Pull Aright] on back part of mandible, 0.5-1 " ant to earlobe / 1 " ant to inf edge of earlobe, level w tip of nose, below ST07, 1 " from ST06; Needle, 0.5-1 " obliquely toward nose then Needle masseter m towards parotid gland; MOXA OK Clear Wind Heat; Relax Sinew; Free Channel Bi; Free & Activate Jingluo face disorders; face paralysis / spasm / tic; face paralysis w mouth & eye deviation S & Ss to recover normality, thus called Qianzheng [ " Lead to Correct Position " ]; toothache esp lower jaw & molars; mouth sores / ulcers / canker; aphthae; tongue ulcers; halitosis; parotitis; for face paralysis: Qianzheng + ST04, LI04, PC08, SJ17; for frowning~ impossible [cannot contract eyebrows], add GB14; cannot close eyes, add BL02 penetrating to Yuyao; cannot wrinkle nose, add ST02; for mouth downward askew, add ST04 penetrating to SI18; for philtrum / GV26 cleft deviated, add GV27 penetrating to ST04 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Erjian - Ex-HN06 [Ear Apex; Ear Tip] at ear apex when ear is folded vertically forwards; Needle Perp 0.1- 0.2 " / sc 0.3-0.5 " / bleed Pt; MOXA OK Clear Heat + Toxin; Disperse Wind; Brighten Eyes; Ease Pain [1] eye diseases; ophthalmitis; keratitis; pannus; stye, nebula, pterygium, corneal opacity; conjunctivitis, conjunctivitis~ acute; [2] headache~ splitting; Bleed Erjian to Clear Heat in Heat / febrile diseases, fever~ high; hypertension; pharyngitis; aphonia; parotitis; for pharyngitis & aphonia, use Erjian + GV15 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Other points for Bell´s (face nerves) palsy are: Lingguxue; Linggu; Lingku - Dong 22.05 [spirit Bone Pt] on hand dorsum, at bony notch of MC bones 1-2, 1 " proximal to LI04, 1 " from Dabai; Needle Perp, 0.3-0.5 " / Needle deeply thru Zhongxian; MOXA OK: Note: needling is CI in pregnancy LU Reflex Area Free Channel Bi; Linggu, Dabai & LI04 are powerful toFree Channel Bi LU Fx Insufficiency (LU Xu) causing sciatica, loin pain, Leg / foot pain, Bell´s palsy (Face nerve palsy), hemiplegia, Tinnitus, deafness, Hearing impairment (sensorineural type); bone & skeleton swelling; back pain, migraine, intestine pain, dizziness & brain~ heavy feeling; female Jingmai not adjusted (menorrhagia / oligomenorrhagia), dysmenorrhoea, Polyuria, Amenorrhoea, dystocia; CI in pregnancy; head & face various diseases & Cold Pattern, Damage dt Cold w cough, Diabetes, hand pain, emesis & diarrhoea, hemiplegia, sciatica, loin pain, twisting pain / colic, bone swelling, amenorrhoea & dystocia, enuresis, dysmenorrhoea, intestine pain, erysipelas; LU Qi Insufficiency w pneumonia, LU emphysema, LU cancer, face paralysis, hemiplegia, headache, headache~ migraine, menses~ irregular, dysmenorrhoea, HT disease, HT arrhythmia, angina pectoris, ST & duodenal ulcer, pyelonephritis, SI-LI enteritis, surface boil, eye diseases, tinnitus, deafness & all chronic diseases, diseases~ idiopathic / rare, nose disease; Use: Needle Linggu 0.5-1.5 " thru Zhongxian; Linggu is commonly used bc its Free Jingluo Fx is very strong; for hemiplegia, use Linggu + Dabai; for children w acute tonsillitis, use Linggu + Erbei (bleed); for outstanding results to Tx pediatric meningitis sequels, use Linggu + Shanglianquan; for sciatica, use Linggu + Dabai & Renhuang; for metrorrhagia, use Linggu + Renhuang; Reinforce [Tone] Linggu & Drain [Disperse] Shaoze to Tx postpartum agalactia extremely well; Linggu alone can Tx foot weakness, pollakisuria, aches & pains, elbow pain, trismus & nose~ internal raising blisters / aphthae [take healthy [ contralateral] side], esp good effects in dizziness; Linggu has quite good effect in anger w clenched fists, acute loin sprain, neck spasm / stiffness - " Fall-off Pillow " , indigestion / dyspepsia; anorexia, anus prolapse; its effect on limb extremity numbness is like that of Renhuang; for sciatica w loin pain & leg~ lat pain / body~ shooting pains, elbow arthralgia, headache / head S & Ss, dysuria, pollakisuria, use Linggu + Yaotong + Dabai + Zhongbai; for loin / waist pain, use Linggu + LI05; Linggu + Dabai + LI04 form an isosceles triangle; combo is powerful for pain dt Qizhi / Xueyu; >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sihuawaixue - Dong 77.14 [4 Flowers Lateral Pt] 1.5 " horizontally to Sihuazhong; Needle 1-1.5 " deep LU & 6 Fu (Hollow Bowels) Reflex Area Acute enteritis, Toothache, Migraine, Face palsy, Intercostal neuralgia, Tennis elbow; Procedure: Bleed black Xue to Tx acute enteritis, intercostal neuralgia, chest oppression, asthma, sciatica (along GB Channel) & other neuralgia, shoulder/arm pain, ear pain, chronic sinusitis, headache, hypertension; >>>>>>>>>>>>> Simazhongxue - Dong 88.17 [4 Horses Central Pt] stand patient w both arms hanging naturally down; from Pt at tip of middle finger, measure 3 " anteriorly (horizontally); Needle 0.8-2.5 " ; LV & LU Reflex Area ribs pain, chest hit / trauma from behind & causing chest & back pain; back pain, Sciatica / lumbago d/t LU Xu, LU Xu, LU disease, Pleurisy, Rhinitis , Tinnitus, hearing Loss, deafness, Face nerve palsy, Conjunctivitis (red eye), Asthma, Breast pain (most effective), Hemiplegia, Psoriasis, Skin disease; Also limb~ lower sprain/strain >>>>>>>>>>>>> Also consider Biliu, Jiachengjiang, Taiyang, Yankou, Yintang, Yuyao, Zhongkui#1, Zhongkui#2 Also consider: Local Pts on Main Channels passing in affected areas + Distant Pts on those Channels / linked Channels esp LI04, LV03 + Pts to Dispel Wind & Ease Pain, etc Best regards, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 1, 2010 Your son needs to be on a calcium regimen as he sounds like he has a raging calcium deficiency. Bell's Palsy is most often caused by this. Google it. I'd put him on Doc's lemon-egg formula using eggs from a farm. I know I take a calcium supplement, and when I'm able to get farm eggs (not laying right now), I take Doc's formula. Blessings~ Lori "...‘How will they learn to read?’ you ask, and my answer is ‘Remember the lessons of Massachusetts.’ When children are given whole lives instead of age-graded ones in cellblocks, they learn to read, write, and do arithmetic with ease, if those things make sense in the kind of life that unfolds around them." – John Taylor Gatto herbal remedies (AT) Groups (DOT) comFrom: nlc83Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:31:12 -0800{Herbal Remedies} Bell's Palsy Two weeks ago, my son (26) developed signs of Bell's Palsy and facial paralysis on the right side of his face.I think because he got severely hit in the right temple with an elbow during a basketball game, followed by headaches that day and followed day. His blood tests came back negative for any other possible cause. He insists on going the conventional medicine way, has undergone with 1 week of steroids, which has nowended. He is now taking vitamin B12 shots. He is going to get a CT scan this week, and start physical therapy. I would like to know what I herbal remedies I can provide for him, in addition to his medical treatments. I feel that even though he wants to go the conventional medicine way, some herbal remedies is better than none. Your advice would be appreciated. -- Nicole Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 1, 2010 Acupuncture is very effective with Bell's Palsy. Especially if treated soon after onset. - nlc83 herbal remedies (AT) Groups (DOT) com Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:31 AM {Herbal Remedies} Bell's Palsy Two weeks ago, my son (26) developed signs of Bell's Palsy and facial paralysis on the right side of his face.I think because he got severely hit in the right temple with an elbow during a basketball game, followed by headaches that day and followed day. His blood tests came back negative for any other possible cause. He insists on going the conventional medicine way, has undergone with 1 week of steroids, which has nowended. He is now taking vitamin B12 shots. He is going to get a CT scan this week, and start physical therapy. I would like to know what I herbal remedies I can provide for him, in addition to his medical treatments. I feel that even though he wants to go the conventional medicine way, some herbal remedies is better than none. Your advice would be appreciated. -- Nicole Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 1, 2010 Nicole, The best thing is to get him to listen to Doc's free CD lecture first. Hopefully the data in it will speak to him. Mary nlc83 wrote: Two weeks ago, my son (26) developed signs of Bell's Palsy and facial paralysis on the right side of his face. I think because he got severely hit in the right temple with an elbow during a basketball game, followed by headaches that day and followed day. His blood tests came back negative for any other possible cause. He insists on going the conventional medicine way, has undergone with 1 week of steroids, which has now ended. He is now taking vitamin B12 shots. He is going to get a CT scan this week, and start physical therapy. I would like to know what I herbal remedies I can provide for him, in addition to his medical treatments. I feel that even though he wants to go the conventional medicine way, some herbal remedies is better than none. Your advice would be appreciated. -- Nicole Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 5, 2010 Ok, I'm a student intern in the clinic at my school. A buddy of mine is sending his sister to see me tomorrow, and it sounds like an interesting case. The patient has Bell's Palsy, but it sounds like it may have come from internal wind. Has anyone ever heard of that before? I haven't been able to examine her, but based on what he was telling me, she had a lot of pain around GB 20 on the right side. This persisted for over a week, iirc. Then on the left side, she developed Bell's Palsy. Now that could still be exterior wind, but from what else he was telling me, it sounded like she had like a liver yin deficiency with heat or wind rising. I don't recall all that he said. Anyway, I guess she's been in alot of pain, and she was actually in the hospital with this for a week, but they were unable to help her. I'll give more of an update after I see her, if the case really does turn out to be of particular interest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 5, 2010 Hi Mercurius, I got to intern in a Chinese hospital ward that was devoted exclusively to Bell's Palsy. You are probably correct about the need to clam internal wind, though I'd wait for a first-person look before making the assumption that it is a Liver yin deficiency. It could just as easily be blood deficiency that caused the wind. Or blood level heat for that matter, since it would warm the liver and help produce some windy conditions. While this article doesn't talk too much about syndrome differentiation, it does provide the Kunming TCM Hospital protocol: http://www.gancao.net/acupuncture/bells-palsy-220 Best of luck to you on this case. -al. On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Mercurius Trismegistus < magisterium_magnum wrote: > > > Ok, I'm a student intern in the clinic at my school. A buddy of mine is > sending his sister to see me tomorrow, and it sounds like an interesting > case. > The patient has Bell's Palsy, but it sounds like it may have come from > internal wind. Has anyone ever heard of that before? I haven't been able to > examine her, but based on what he was telling me, she had a lot of pain > around GB 20 on the right side. This persisted for over a week, iirc. Then > on the left side, she developed Bell's Palsy. Now that could still be > exterior wind, but from what else he was telling me, it sounded like she had > like a liver yin deficiency with heat or wind rising. I don't recall all > that he said. > Anyway, I guess she's been in alot of pain, and she was actually in the > hospital with this for a week, but they were unable to help her. > I'll give more of an update after I see her, if the case really does turn > out to be of particular interest. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 5, 2010 Well, Liver Yin Defeciency.......oftentimes Bells Palsy follows vaccinations did she have any? Neurological damage is common as these vaccines viruses can easily travel up nerves. Mercury and Aluminum are also neurotoxins. Never forget about evil pathogens via injection. Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology Chinese Medicine CC: ; Chinese Traditional Medicine magisterium_magnum Sun, 4 Apr 2010 19:25:23 -0700 Bell's Palsy Ok, I'm a student intern in the clinic at my school. A buddy of mine is sending his sister to see me tomorrow, and it sounds like an interesting case. The patient has Bell's Palsy, but it sounds like it may have come from internal wind. Has anyone ever heard of that before? I haven't been able to examine her, but based on what he was telling me, she had a lot of pain around GB 20 on the right side. This persisted for over a week, iirc. Then on the left side, she developed Bell's Palsy. Now that could still be exterior wind, but from what else he was telling me, it sounded like she had like a liver yin deficiency with heat or wind rising. I don't recall all that he said. Anyway, I guess she's been in alot of pain, and she was actually in the hospital with this for a week, but they were unable to help her. I'll give more of an update after I see her, if the case really does turn out to be of particular interest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 6, 2010 dr. tan's balance method works well: get his book Acupuncture 1,2,3. it tells how to do it and may discuss bell's palsy specifically. if not, follow tx protocol for trigem neuralgia or TMJ: they are all tx the same way in his system. the book is available on his website drtanshow.com. it's about $30. you find his method quite useful for all pain conditions. supervisors and fellow interns will be interested in what you are doing. kath On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Mercurius Trismegistus < magisterium_magnum wrote: > > > Ok, I'm a student intern in the clinic at my school. A buddy of mine is > sending his sister to see me tomorrow, and it sounds like an interesting > case. > The patient has Bell's Palsy, but it sounds like it may have come from > internal wind. Has anyone ever heard of that before? I haven't been able to > examine her, but based on what he was telling me, she had a lot of pain > around GB 20 on the right side. This persisted for over a week, iirc. Then > on the left side, she developed Bell's Palsy. Now that could still be > exterior wind, but from what else he was telling me, it sounded like she had > like a liver yin deficiency with heat or wind rising. I don't recall all > that he said. > Anyway, I guess she's been in alot of pain, and she was actually in the > hospital with this for a week, but they were unable to help her. > I'll give more of an update after I see her, if the case really does turn > out to be of particular interest. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 6, 2010 My experience with Bell's Palsy is that the results are related to how recent the incidence is, within 10 days, you should easily achieve 100% with about 5 treatments, however, if 90 days have passed, I often don't see much change. I use electricity on the face points, which is sometimes hard to take psychologically. And yes, I treat front and back, Bl 18, 19 GB 20, and then the face points. Usually there is internal wind. Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa www.InnerhealthSalem.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - Mercurius Trismegistus Chinese Medicine Cc: ; Chinese Traditional Medicine Sunday, April 04, 2010 7:25 PM Bell's Palsy Ok, I'm a student intern in the clinic at my school. A buddy of mine is sending his sister to see me tomorrow, and it sounds like an interesting case. The patient has Bell's Palsy, but it sounds like it may have come from internal wind. Has anyone ever heard of that before? I haven't been able to examine her, but based on what he was telling me, she had a lot of pain around GB 20 on the right side. This persisted for over a week, iirc. Then on the left side, she developed Bell's Palsy. Now that could still be exterior wind, but from what else he was telling me, it sounded like she had like a liver yin deficiency with heat or wind rising. I don't recall all that he said. Anyway, I guess she's been in alot of pain, and she was actually in the hospital with this for a week, but they were unable to help her. I'll give more of an update after I see her, if the case really does turn out to be of particular interest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 17, 2010 Thanks to all of you for your input on this case. It turns out that the patient had been recieving EMDR therapy for emotional trauma. One thing she mentioned in my intake was that her husband had committed suicide ten years before, and that she had disturbed sleep ever since then. Well, it turns out that this had occurred ten years previously TO THE DAY of onset. I have also found out that she was recieving EMDR therapy. This is the therapy where they use eye movement and they tap areas of the head and were doing this in particular on the face and around the eyes. So the whole thing seems to be making more sense. I must say, the treatment was very successful. I was doing acupuncture on her, followed by Amno-Daiyin from another student. The treatments were very effective. I was doing two needles on TaiYin, one obliquely towards GB 8 and one towards ST 6. I was doing ST 2, the extra point in front of the ear lobe the name of which I forget, obliquely towards the tip of the nose, SJ 17 and GB 20. Then I also threw in some points on the arm, as far as SJ 5, 3 and 2. So thanks for all your input! It was very helpful. Sometimes the professors think I'm nuts when I ask them questions like that. LOL. " What, internal wind!? " - " Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. " <angelapfa <Chinese Medicine > Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:04 AM Re: Bell's Palsy > My experience with Bell's Palsy is that the results are related to how > recent the incidence is, within 10 days, you should easily achieve 100% > with about 5 treatments, however, if 90 days have passed, I often don't > see much change. I use electricity on the face points, which is sometimes > hard to take psychologically. And yes, I treat front and back, Bl 18, 19 > GB 20, and then the face points. Usually there is internal wind. > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa > > www.InnerhealthSalem.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > - > Mercurius Trismegistus > Chinese Medicine > Cc: ; Chinese Traditional Medicine > Sunday, April 04, 2010 7:25 PM > Bell's Palsy > > > > Ok, I'm a student intern in the clinic at my school. A buddy of mine is > sending his sister to see me tomorrow, and it sounds like an interesting > case. > The patient has Bell's Palsy, but it sounds like it may have come from > internal wind. Has anyone ever heard of that before? I haven't been able > to examine her, but based on what he was telling me, she had a lot of pain > around GB 20 on the right side. This persisted for over a week, iirc. Then > on the left side, she developed Bell's Palsy. Now that could still be > exterior wind, but from what else he was telling me, it sounded like she > had like a liver yin deficiency with heat or wind rising. I don't recall > all that he said. > Anyway, I guess she's been in alot of pain, and she was actually in the > hospital with this for a week, but they were unable to help her. > I'll give more of an update after I see her, if the case really does turn > out to be of particular interest. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
