Guest guest Report post Posted February 26, 2000 Greetings. I too feel that it is a WindCold invasion - pulse was thin/thready, slippery and very deep in Ki position. Tongue was sl. purple with thick white coating, scalloped and sl. puffy. This patient is very overweight, is averse to cold and feels colder than normal, has diagnosed hypertention and is on medication for this - Atenolol. He is also taking Prednisone and Amoxicillin for the Bell's Palsy (given to him by an ER physician 24 hrs. before seeing me). He had a CT scan while at the hospital and the ER physician stated that his sinuses were full of phlegm. So, would a WC formula with herbs to transform Damp and support Sp be indicated here? ANy suggestions on base formula that you've had good success with, without digestive problems? Thank you for your help. susan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 26, 2000 Dear Susan, The 'bad cold' sounds like a key to the case. . . .exposure to wind/cold is often the major causitive factor of bell's palsy. In order to differentiate further, please give pulse and tongue information, please. >SusFro > >Greetings, >I am new to this list, but have been quietly enjoying the discussions. I feel >that this is a great forum to exchange information about herbs and formulas >and I look forward to more information. I have recently been treating a >patinet with Bell's palsy, with acupuncture, with fairly good results. >However, he is working about 150 miles away from my clinic and cannot come in >for treatment except once/week. I have diagnosed his condition as WC >Invasion into c/c, along with SP QI Xu + Phelgm Retention, along with QI/Bld >Stagnation in C/c. He is overweight and had had a " bad cold " for two weeks >prior to the onset of Bell's Palsy. >I am wondering if a WC formula would be appropriate for this man or if I need >more a phlegm reduction/transformation + Sp Qi Xu formula. ANy suggestions?? > I would appreciate any feedback that you all have - Thanks in advance... > susan > >------ >Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa! Rates as low as 2.9% >Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards Points, >no hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today and get the >credit you deserve! Apply now! Get your NextCard Visa at: >http://click./1/913/4/_/542111/_/951593590/ >------ > >Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 26, 2000 The prednisone is at what dose? Having that and amoxicillin complicates things quite a bit. It would seem that a script like ge gen tang/pueraria decoction might be indicated here. >SusFro > >Greetings. >I too feel that it is a WindCold invasion - pulse was thin/thready, slippery >and very deep in Ki position. Tongue was sl. purple with thick white coating, >scalloped and sl. puffy. This patient is very overweight, is averse to cold >and feels colder than normal, has diagnosed hypertention and is on medication >for this - Atenolol. He is also taking Prednisone and Amoxicillin for the >Bell's Palsy (given to him by an ER physician 24 hrs. before seeing me). He >had a CT scan while at the hospital and the ER physician stated that his >sinuses were full of phlegm. >So, would a WC formula with herbs to transform Damp and support Sp be >indicated here? ANy suggestions on base formula that you've had good success >with, without digestive problems? Thank you for your help. > susan > >------ >FREE ADVICE FROM REAL PEOPLE! Xpertsite has thousands of experts who >are willing to answer your questions for FREE. Go to Xpertsite today and >put your mind to rest. >http://click./1/1404/4/_/542111/_/951623708/ >------ > >Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2004 Hi Marc, I have treated a fair number of Bell's Palsy and Ramsey Hunt cases. I have not had to resort to using herbs, as much as I love herbal medicine. It takes consistent treatment in the range of 10-15 visits, preferably twice a week. Also, conjunctive therapies such as moxa pole and/or plum blossom are extremely helpful. If you want to discuss more about the acupuncture let me know. If you really are committed to using herbs, I have not done so for this condition. Cheers, Michael O'Brien Nashua Acupuncture - Marc Sklar Friday, August 13, 2004 11:52 AM Bell's Palsy I am currently treating a patient who suffers with Bell's Palsy. She has had it for four months now, ever since she gave birth to her child. Below you will find a direct quote from her and her experience. I am looking for some guidance regarding an herbal prescription. With acupuncture she can wrinkle her forehead with more ease, but her right nostril doesn't flare and her smile is still hindered. I have only seen her once, but I am pretty sure that she has blood and Qi vacuity leading to wind, due to its lack of nourishment. I don't have her chart in front of me, and I know that most of you would like S/S and Pulse and Tongue, sorry about that. I will try to post the S/S later today. As much as I would like to give her herbs my concern is that she is taking Coumadin. I have heard some mixed responses in the past with regard to prescribing herbal treatment with coumadin. Is there anyone out there that has experience with this? What do you all feel about using herbs with this patient? I am a little cautious about using herbs in this case, but I wanted to get another opinion. " I delivered my baby on April 5, 2004. I had an epidural and had to go back to the ER to have a bloodpatch done. The following day I had revisited the ER again and was diagnosed with Bell's Palsy. I was given Prednisone and Acyclovior. The following day I was taken to the ER via an Amulance because I had a seizure at home while changing my baby. I was hospitalized and after leaving the hospital I ended up with a blood clot in my leg. Needless to say I was very anxious, stressed out and depressed. I was advised from my OB/GYN to see a counselor. I took her advice and spoke to a counselor which just did not seem to make much of a difference. It has now been 4 months since I had my baby and I don't feel anywhere near normal. I still have Bell's Palsy despite of my facial exercises and massages. I am on Dilantin and Coumadin. I must admit I am not very active and don't practice good eating habits. " Thanks in advance for your help, Marc Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 14, 2004 Hi, Marc, I haven't treated this A LOT, but I have had one very successful case, Mainly I attribute the success with moxa, but the patient also took xiao xu ming tang after the initial attack. She definitely had wind- cold-damp obstruction and was on no other medications, so... I don't know if this fits you situation. You are probably aware of this, but the policy at PCOM clinic is that for patients on coumadin we require their MD's written consent to give herbs. Good luck, Sheila White Marc Sklar <mbs319 Aug 13, 2004 8:52 AM Bell's Palsy I am currently treating a patient who suffers with Bell's Palsy. She has had it for four months now, ever since she gave birth to her child. Below you will find a direct quote from her and her experience. I am looking for some guidance regarding an herbal prescription. With acupuncture she can wrinkle her forehead with more ease, but her right nostril doesn't flare and her smile is still hindered. I have only seen her once, but I am pretty sure that she has blood and Qi vacuity leading to wind, due to its lack of nourishment. I don't have her chart in front of me, and I know that most of you would like S/S and Pulse and Tongue, sorry about that. I will try to post the S/S later today. As much as I would like to give her herbs my concern is that she is taking Coumadin. I have heard some mixed responses in the past with regard to prescribing herbal treatment with coumadin. Is there anyone out there that has experience with this? What do you all feel about using herbs with this patient? I am a little cautious about using herbs in this case, but I wanted to get another opinion. " I delivered my baby on April 5, 2004. I had an epidural and had to go back to the ER to have a bloodpatch done. The following day I had revisited the ER again and was diagnosed with Bell's Palsy. I was given Prednisone and Acyclovior. The following day I was taken to the ER via an Amulance because I had a seizure at home while changing my baby. I was hospitalized and after leaving the hospital I ended up with a blood clot in my leg. Needless to say I was very anxious, stressed out and depressed. I was advised from my OB/GYN to see a counselor. I took her advice and spoke to a counselor which just did not seem to make much of a difference. It has now been 4 months since I had my baby and I don't feel anywhere near normal. I still have Bell's Palsy despite of my facial exercises and massages. I am on Dilantin and Coumadin. I must admit I am not very active and don't practice good eating habits. " Thanks in advance for your help, Marc Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 23, 2005 > a friend of mine is struggling with Bell's Palsy. he told me that > the doctors have nothing for him, I'd heard Bell's Palsy responds to acupuncture so I ran a search engine. Here's an example of a possible protocol <http://www.healingpeople.com/ht/index.php? option=content & task=view & id=388 & Itemid=143> Each dr. of Oriental med. or acupuncturist probably has their own routines that works for them. Penel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 23, 2005 Often something like Feldenkrais can help unblock impinged nerves. When I was a cyclist doing long distance rides, I ended up with palsy in my hands. It was from constantly bearing down on the handlebars. I didn't realize how much pressure I was putting on the palms of my hands, even with gloves on. As soon as I stopped riding, the palsy stopped. Same with sticking my left arm out the car window when driving. As soon as I stopped doing that, the palsy in my left arm was gone. Pixie herbal remedies , " Rik " <bliksemskater> wrote: > > > hello all, > a friend of mine is struggling with Bell's Palsy. he told me that > the doctors have nothing for him, so i wanted to ask if someone > knows anything about how to cure this. he told me that it is a virus > and blocks a nerve... i have no idea what it is, any advice would be > welcome, thanks, rik Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 23, 2005 In a message dated 3/23/05 5:28:26 PM, kelli writes: << Most cases of paralysis are caused by calcium deficiency. >> What ?????!!!???? i beg to differ; most cases of paralysis are caused by trauma, and CVAs(stroke) if it were from a calcium deficiency, then most of the general population would be paralyzed. bell's palsy is also first caused by a trauma to the nerve, causing an inflammation along the nerve pathway - there is ischemia (diminished blood flow) and the nerve nearly always gets compressed. we had a dear elderly neighbor lady who had ball's palsy from a dentist's 'oops', and another dear elderly friend who suffered tia's. some cases can be viral in origin. <<Paralysis of throat: As an aid, chew ginger root often.>> if someone had a paralyzed throat, the _last_ thing they'd need is something in their mouth, as they wouldn't be able to swallow and would choke on their own sputum. the only thing i agreed on in your post was the antispasmodic and nervines. if it were me, i'd opt for some nice sjw oil rubbed into the spot several times a day. and i'd go for b vit complex. d. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 23, 2005 Hi Rik, Here is the info that I have from Doc Christopher's writings: PARALYSIS Symptoms: A rapid or partial loss of muscle function and motion or of sensation because of nerve injury or neuron destruction. A slight loss of function is called " palsy " . Cause: Most cases of paralysis are caused by calcium deficiency. Paralysis is generally classified as incurable but no disease is incurable. The problem is due to toxic wastes in the body and it becomes essential to cleanse the body and give it tone and a positive regeneration in order to correct the paralysis. Herbal aids: Paralysis can be cleared with cayenne alone. Correct the cause with a cleansing program and the regenerative diet. Use nerve tonics and antispasmodic. Useful herbs: Black cohosh, catnip, cayenne, dandelion root, ginger, golden seal, hydrangeas, lady's slipper, poke root (bowels), poplar bark, prickly ash berries, red clover, red pepper, rosemary, skullcap, valerian root, vervain, wild cherry bark, yellow dock. Paralysis of throat: As an aid, chew ginger root often. Hope this helps. Best, Kelli | | Rik [bliksemskater] | Wednesday, March 23, 2005 2:57 AM | herbal remedies | Herbal Remedies - Bell's Palsy | | hello all, | a friend of mine is struggling with Bell's Palsy. he told me that | the doctors have nothing for him, so i wanted to ask if someone | knows anything about how to cure this. he told me that it is a virus | and blocks a nerve... i have no idea what it is, any advice would be | welcome, thanks, rik Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 24, 2005 Very helpful, Kelli, I have a friend in my yoga class with Bells Palsy, I would love to share this info with her.. (My mom once had this, I think emtional stress has a lot to do with it, too.. ) Scott. herbal remedies , " Kelli Bever " <kelli@c...> wrote: > > Hi Rik, > > Here is the info that I have from Doc Christopher's writings: > > > PARALYSIS > > Symptoms: > A rapid or partial loss of muscle function and motion or of sensation > because of nerve injury or neuron destruction. A slight loss of > function is called " palsy " . > > Cause: > Most cases of paralysis are caused by calcium deficiency. Paralysis is > generally classified as incurable but no disease is incurable. The > problem is due to toxic wastes in the body and it becomes essential to > cleanse the body and give it tone and a positive regeneration in order > to correct the paralysis. > > Herbal aids: > Paralysis can be cleared with cayenne alone. Correct the cause with a > cleansing program and the regenerative diet. Use nerve tonics and > antispasmodic. > > Useful herbs: > Black cohosh, catnip, cayenne, dandelion root, ginger, golden seal, > hydrangeas, lady's slipper, poke root (bowels), poplar bark, prickly ash > berries, red clover, red pepper, rosemary, skullcap, valerian root, > vervain, wild cherry bark, yellow dock. > Paralysis of throat: As an aid, chew ginger root often. > > > Hope this helps. > > Best, > Kelli > > > | > | Rik [bliksemskater] > | Wednesday, March 23, 2005 2:57 AM > | herbal remedies > | Herbal Remedies - Bell's Palsy > | > | hello all, > | a friend of mine is struggling with Bell's Palsy. he told me that > | the doctors have nothing for him, so i wanted to ask if someone > | knows anything about how to cure this. he told me that it is a virus > | and blocks a nerve... i have no idea what it is, any advice would be > | welcome, thanks, rik Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 24, 2005 hi guys! thanks for all the help and advice, i will forward this to him so he can think about these things. hugs (O: rik > Hi Rik, > > Here is the info that I have from Doc Christopher's writings: > > > PARALYSIS > > Symptoms: > A rapid or partial loss of muscle function and motion or of sensation > because of nerve injury or neuron destruction. A slight loss of > function is called " palsy " . > > Cause: > Most cases of paralysis are caused by calcium deficiency. Paralysis is > generally classified as incurable but no disease is incurable. The > problem is due to toxic wastes in the body and it becomes essential to > cleanse the body and give it tone and a positive regeneration in order > to correct the paralysis. > > Herbal aids: > Paralysis can be cleared with cayenne alone. Correct the cause with a > cleansing program and the regenerative diet. Use nerve tonics and > antispasmodic. > > Useful herbs: > Black cohosh, catnip, cayenne, dandelion root, ginger, golden seal, > hydrangeas, lady's slipper, poke root (bowels), poplar bark, prickly ash > berries, red clover, red pepper, rosemary, skullcap, valerian root, > vervain, wild cherry bark, yellow dock. > Paralysis of throat: As an aid, chew ginger root often. > > > Hope this helps. > > Best, > Kelli > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 24, 2005 Do Not Forget LOBELIA!!!!! This is the "nerve" herb and will definitely help out quite a bit. Zebby - Kelli Bever herbal remedies Wednesday, March 23, 2005 6:20 PM RE: Herbal Remedies - Bell's Palsy Hi Rik,Here is the info that I have from Doc Christopher's writings:PARALYSISSymptoms:A rapid or partial loss of muscle function and motion or of sensationbecause of nerve injury or neuron destruction. A slight loss offunction is called "palsy".Cause:Most cases of paralysis are caused by calcium deficiency. Paralysis isgenerally classified as incurable but no disease is incurable. Theproblem is due to toxic wastes in the body and it becomes essential tocleanse the body and give it tone and a positive regeneration in orderto correct the paralysis.Herbal aids:Paralysis can be cleared with cayenne alone. Correct the cause with acleansing program and the regenerative diet. Use nerve tonics andantispasmodic.Useful herbs:Black cohosh, catnip, cayenne, dandelion root, ginger, golden seal,hydrangeas, lady's slipper, poke root (bowels), poplar bark, prickly ashberries, red clover, red pepper, rosemary, skullcap, valerian root,vervain, wild cherry bark, yellow dock.Paralysis of throat: As an aid, chew ginger root often.Hope this helps.Best,Kelli| | Rik [bliksemskater] | Wednesday, March 23, 2005 2:57 AM| herbal remedies | Herbal Remedies - Bell's Palsy| | hello all,| a friend of mine is struggling with Bell's Palsy. he told me that | the doctors have nothing for him, so i wanted to ask if someone | knows anything about how to cure this. he told me that it is a virus | and blocks a nerve... i have no idea what it is, any advice would be | welcome, thanks, rikFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 24, 2005 Thanks herb nurse. OF course we are not about agreeing or disagreeing but about learning. Bells' Palsy we can all agree is in the end some damaged part of the nervous system. Cayenne would help this, lobelia would and ginger would as well. You will also find that there is more than one definition depending upon where you look. Thanks for the posts, Zeb Sims - Herbmednurse herbal remedies Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:17 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Bell's Palsy In a message dated 3/23/05 5:28:26 PM, kelli writes:<< Most cases of paralysis are caused by calcium deficiency. >>What ?????!!!????i beg to differ; most cases of paralysis are caused by trauma, and CVAs(stroke)if it were from a calcium deficiency, then most of the general population would be paralyzed.bell's palsy is also first caused by a trauma to the nerve, causing an inflammation along the nerve pathway - there is ischemia (diminished blood flow) and the nerve nearly always gets compressed. we had a dear elderly neighbor lady who had ball's palsy from a dentist's 'oops', and another dear elderly friend who suffered tia's. some cases can be viral in origin.<<Paralysis of throat: As an aid, chew ginger root often.>>if someone had a paralyzed throat, the _last_ thing they'd need is something in their mouth, as they wouldn't be able to swallow and would choke on their own sputum.the only thing i agreed on in your post was the antispasmodic and nervines.if it were me, i'd opt for some nice sjw oil rubbed into the spot several times a day.and i'd go for b vit complex.d.Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 24, 2005 Dear D, Well, you can object to my post all you like, but it was a direct quote from works by Doc Christopher, which I did state in my post. I believe he does have a bit of experience in using herbs for healing. Kelli | | Herbmednurse [Herbmednurse] | Wednesday, March 23, 2005 6:17 PM | herbal remedies | Re: Herbal Remedies - Bell's Palsy | | In a message dated 3/23/05 5:28:26 PM, kelli writes: | | << Most cases of paralysis are caused by calcium deficiency. >> | | What ?????!!!???? | | i beg to differ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 24, 2005 I think you're right, Scott. Our emotional/mental state has a TREMENDOUS amount to do with our physical condition! Best, Kelli | | Scott Hales [hales] | Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:20 PM | herbal remedies | Herbal Remedies - Re: Bell's Palsy | | | (My mom once had this, I think emtional stress has a lot to | do with it, too.. ) | | Scott. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 24, 2005 Definitely right Zeb! Although Doc C doesn't state that explicitly in this exerpt I posted of his material, it's indirectly referred to in the "use nerve tonics and antispasmodic." :)Kelli Office Manager [office] Thursday, March 24, 2005 6:50 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Bell's Palsy Do Not Forget LOBELIA!!!!! This is the "nerve" herb and will definitely help out quite a bit. Zebby Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 28, 2007 Hi Susan- Having had Bell's Palsy myself I know the feelings associated with it. However, you say your sil is in pain? That is not something that is common with Bell's Palsy. The other symptoms certainly are indicative of Bell's. The cause is not really known, although it sometimes occurs with shingles. Most people recover completely in 4-8 weeks (it took the full 8 weeks for me to recover). At the time I got it, because of my medical knowledge, I immediately started taking anti-viral meds and steroids. These did not help however (nor do they usually, but it was worth a try). There is nothing that I am aware of that can help with this. I even consulted all of my herbal books. It just has to run it's course. The eye on the affected side should be protected until it can close by itself. Using heat and massage on the affected side will help them maintain their tone. When he drinks, have him use a straw and have him use it out of the non-affected side of his mouth. There are a handful of herbs that can be used, but once again I am not aware of any documented benefits except just being supportive. Tea, coffee, liquor and all stimulating foods should be avoided. I believe that there are multiple types of things that can help with the human body. I believe that allopathic medicine has its place. However I believe that alternative medicine certainly has its place too and I am constantly learning about those alternative healing ways. I wish I could be more helpful. If he is experiencing pain, there are many types of herbal remedies that can help with pain. However, pain is a symptom. Prescribing narcotics is not (in my opinion) the best way to treat this. I don't believe the side effects are worth it, but to others, they may be. On a more light note...I soon found out that the old wives tale of " if you sneeze with your eyes open your eyes will be blown out " is false. It is a weird feeling to be able to sneeze with your eyes open, but your eyes do say put! Good luck! Cindy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 28, 2007 > Do any of you have any imperical information on treating Bell's Palsy > naturally? Anecdotal is alright too - I know you guys wouldn't share > something with me if you didn't trust the source. I just don't want to go > on > a wild goose chase. Susan H. MT: acupuncture does a good job of treating bell's palsy. www.acufinder.com very good treating pain too. mercurius trismegistus Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 28, 2007 Having had Bell's Palsy myself I know the feelings associated with it. However, you say your sil is in pain? That is not something that is common with Bell's Palsy. ============Thanks for the info -- felt like I had to try. As for the pain, according to the doctor and the research I've done, a severe pain behind the ear does often accompany Bell's Palsy. Not everyone has it though. Susan H. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 28, 2007 MT: acupuncture does a good job of treating bell's palsy. =========I thought about that, but money's an issue here -- can't afford it. Susan H. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 2, 2007 Hi Nancy. I recently had good results with facial cupping, very lightly done: I use a hand pump and manipulate it to give a " kissing " effect on the affected area, not actually sticking the cups on the face. good luck. p.s. you may also try looking into liver yin deficiency as a possible root for the problem. 2007/7/2, Nancy Corsaro <eastwestacup: > > Any ideas on treating Bell's Palsy? I have cleared Wind distally and > used local points; had a slight improvement after first treatment, but > no change after 2nd. Third treatment, tried an extra point I'd read > about, but not much change again. Would appreciate thoughts on other > points, options, etc. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2007 --- Nancy Corsaro <eastwestacup wrote: > Any ideas on treating Bell's Palsy? I have cleared > Wind distally and > used local points; had a slight improvement after > first treatment, but > no change after 2nd. Third treatment, tried an > extra point I'd read > about, but not much change again. Would appreciate > thoughts on other > points, options, etc. > > Dear Nancy , some times it takes time to clear the palsy .but I have found also that alternating points on the back of the head and neck ( gb20 Ub10 du14 )helps a great deal in acceleration of respond.you shall also find what is hindering the treatment? such as , emotion, food.cold exposure ,Diabetes .high blood pressure and etc. regards Dr,M.Fadaie MBBS,MD,Lic/Ac Iran Acupucnture discussion group: tebe_sozani ______________________________\ ____ Never miss an email again! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search./toolbar/features/mail/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2007 A couple of other ideas to utilitze if indicated (I have treated BP successfully using them): Moxa, distally along the channel, and electroacupuncture, directly on the points where the BP is most pronounced, such as St 4 and SJ 17. majid fadaie <majidfadaie51 wrote: --- Nancy Corsaro <eastwestacup wrote: > Any ideas on treating Bell's Palsy? I have cleared > Wind distally and > used local points; had a slight improvement after > first treatment, but > no change after 2nd. Third treatment, tried an > extra point I'd read > about, but not much change again. Would appreciate > thoughts on other > points, options, etc. > > Dear Nancy , some times it takes time to clear the palsy .but I have found also that alternating points on the back of the head and neck ( gb20 Ub10 du14 )helps a great deal in acceleration of respond.you shall also find what is hindering the treatment? such as , emotion, food.cold exposure ,Diabetes .high blood pressure and etc. regards Dr,M.Fadaie MBBS,MD,Lic/Ac Iran Acupucnture discussion group: tebe_sozani ________ Never miss an email again! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search./toolbar/features/mail/ Get the free toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 3, 2007 I remember using the affected meridians on the face ST including LI11 and LI 20, ST 1. Also I used an ear point mid way on the earlobe to the right. Check for specific location. All were very helpful. Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- " Daniel Luz " <paraodaniel > Hi Nancy. > > I recently had good results with facial cupping, very lightly done: I use a > hand pump and manipulate it to give a " kissing " effect on the affected area, > not actually sticking the cups on the face. > > good luck. > > p.s. you may also try looking into liver yin deficiency as a possible root > for the problem. > > 2007/7/2, Nancy Corsaro <eastwestacup: > > > > Any ideas on treating Bell's Palsy? I have cleared Wind distally and > > used local points; had a slight improvement after first treatment, but > > no change after 2nd. Third treatment, tried an extra point I'd read > > about, but not much change again. Would appreciate thoughts on other > > points, options, etc. > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 4, 2007 I've used electro stim on the face for bell's and it worked great. I also combined BL62, SI3. Jamie www.whartenby.com - Daniel Luz Chinese Medicine Monday, July 02, 2007 5:11 PM Re: Bell's Palsy Hi Nancy. I recently had good results with facial cupping, very lightly done: I use a hand pump and manipulate it to give a " kissing " effect on the affected area, not actually sticking the cups on the face. good luck. p.s. you may also try looking into liver yin deficiency as a possible root for the problem. 2007/7/2, Nancy Corsaro <eastwestacup: > > Any ideas on treating Bell's Palsy? I have cleared Wind distally and > used local points; had a slight improvement after first treatment, but > no change after 2nd. Third treatment, tried an extra point I'd read > about, but not much change again. Would appreciate thoughts on other > points, options, etc. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
