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Hullo...HELP! Has anyone had good results treating Bell's Palsy? Any magical

point prescriptions with or without the use of e-stim? Or will the cookie cutter

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Hi Twyla,

 

I recently saw a patient from out of town with Bell's palsy.  I sent my

findings, treatment protocol and herbal formula to a practitioner where he

lives. Here's what I sent:

 

 

" Here were my findings regarding your patient:  His pulses were generally

 thready, deep and slow.  I would agree with your diagnosis of wind in the

channels, but I would attribute it to underlying  Yang, Yin and Blood vacuity. 

In the right wrist, in the Cun position,  the pulse was thready deep and choppy,

In the Guan position, they were thready, deep, and rapid,  and in the Qi

position  thready and wiry. On the left, in the Cun and Qi positions, they were

thready weak and slightly choppy, in the Guan, they were thready.  The tongue

was moist, with swollen sides, a red tip and a slighly purple middle.  I used

threading needling threading from St 4-St6, and GB 14 to Yu Yao.  In addition I

used local points SJ 17, Yin Tang, SI 19 and Du 20,  Distally, I needled GB31,

GB34,  Kd3 and Sp 6.  I used electroacupuncture on the facial points.  I

prescribed the formula Bu Yang Huan Yu Wan, to be taken 1/2 hour before meals

TID. "

 

Of course, you have to treat the patient and his/her pattern,  and not

the condition, but if there are parallels between our patients, I hope you find

what I did useful.

 

Best of luck,

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Twyla <twylahoodah

Bell's Palsy

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 7:33 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hullo...HELP!

 

Has anyone had good results treating Bell's Palsy? Any magical point

prescriptions with or without the use of e-stim? Or will the cookie cutter

formula will do just as well?

 

thanks heaps!

th

 

 

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thanks all!

 

 

 

 

I knew I had come across a homeopathic someplace...much appreciate!

 

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Re: Bell's Palsy

Chinese Medicine

Thursday, September 18, 2008, 2:48 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Twyla,

 

I recently saw a patient from out of town with Bell's palsy.  I sent my

findings, treatment protocol and herbal formula to a practitioner where he

lives. Here's what I sent:

 

 

" Here were my findings regarding your patient:  His pulses were generally

 thready, deep and slow.  I would agree with your diagnosis of wind in the

channels, but I would attribute it to underlying  Yang, Yin and Blood vacuity. 

In the right wrist, in the Cun position,  the pulse was thready deep and choppy,

In the Guan position, they were thready, deep, and rapid,  and in the Qi

position  thready and wiry. On the left, in the Cun and Qi positions, they were

thready weak and slightly choppy, in the Guan, they were thready.  The tongue

was moist, with swollen sides, a red tip and a slighly purple middle.  I used

threading needling threading from St 4-St6, and GB 14 to Yu Yao.  In addition I

used local points SJ 17, Yin Tang, SI 19 and Du 20,  Distally, I needled GB31,

GB34,  Kd3 and Sp 6.  I used electroacupuncture on the facial points.  I

prescribed the formula Bu Yang Huan Yu Wan, to be taken 1/2 hour before meals

TID. "

 

Of course, you have to treat the patient and his/her pattern,  and not

the condition, but if there are parallels between our patients, I hope you find

what I did useful.

 

Best of luck,

 

 

 

www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net

 

 

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Twyla <twylahoodah@ >

Bell's Palsy

traditional_ chinese_medicine

Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 7:33 PM

 

Hullo...HELP!

 

Has anyone had good results treating Bell's Palsy? Any magical point

prescriptions with or without the use of e-stim? Or will the cookie cutter

formula will do just as well?

 

thanks heaps!

th

 

 

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Hi Twyla,

Along with the local points mention below, I have used Evergreens SYMMETRY

formula

?? plus generous massage on the face,neck, & scalp.

?I've seen improvement after the first treatment.

Take care.

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Chinese Medicine

Thu, 18 Sep 2008 2:48 am

Re: Bell's Palsy

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Twyla,

?

I recently saw a patient from out of town?with Bell's palsy.? I sent my

findings, treatment protocol and herbal formula to a practitioner where he

lives.?Here's what I sent:

?

 

" Here were my findings regarding your patient:? His pulses were?generally

?thready, deep and slow.? I would agree with your diagnosis of wind in the

channels, but I would attribute it to underlying ?Yang, Yin and Blood vacuity.?

In the right wrist, in the Cun position,? the pulse was thready deep and choppy,

In the Guan position, they were thready, deep,?and rapid, ?and in the Qi

position??thready and wiry. On the left, in the Cun and Qi?positions, they were

thready weak and slightly choppy, in the Guan, they were thready.? The tongue

was moist, with swollen sides, a red tip and a slighly purple middle.? I used

threading needling threading from St 4-St6, and GB 14 to Yu Yao.? In addition I

used local points SJ 17, Yin Tang, SI 19 and Du 20,? Distally, I needled GB31,

GB34, ?Kd3 and Sp 6.? I used electroacupuncture on the facial points.? I

prescribed the formula Bu Yang Huan Yu Wan, to be taken 1/2 hour before meals

TID. "

 

Of course, you have to treat the patient and his/her pattern, ?and not

the?condition, but if there are parallels between our patients, I hope you find

what I did useful.

?

Best of luck,

?

?

 

 

?

 

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Twyla <twylahoodah

Bell's Palsy

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 7:33 PM

 

Hullo...HELP!

?

Has anyone had good results treating Bell's Palsy? Any magical point

prescriptions with or without the use of e-stim? Or will the cookie cutter

formula will do just as well?

?

thanks heaps!

th

 

 

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I treated a patient for Bell's Palsy last summer.  I did mostly local points and

also wind points.  She had noticeable results with each treatment, but the

condition did not fully resolve until she changed jobs and no longer worked with

a heavy fan blowing on her.

 

Andrea Beth

 

 

Traditional Oriental Medicine

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(928) 274-1373

 

 

--- On Wed, 9/17/08, Twyla <twylahoodah wrote:

Twyla <twylahoodah

Bell's Palsy

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Wednesday, September 17, 2008, 7:33 PM

 

Hullo...HELP!

 

Has anyone had good results treating Bell's Palsy? Any magical point

prescriptions with or without the use of e-stim? Or will the cookie cutter

formula will do just as well?

 

thanks heaps!

th

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi all,

I just returned from Seoul, South Korea where I did another clinical observation

at the

wonderful KyungHee University Hospital. They have many Bell's Palsy patients

and in fact a

triweekly clinic where 4-5 doctors treat 100's daily. I saw many PB txs, all

age groups, all

types. I can only give you basic protocols as the tx's varied individually.

However, a few

general things; BP is seen as a YangMing disorder and therefore they always

used ST36

and LI4. Facial pts usually included GV26, ( don't use with cerebral hemorrhage)

CV24,

ST4, LI20 and ST3. Often TH4,LI11,LR3 and SP6 used as distal pts. Always tx

the affected

facial mm, needle in and out all around the specific facial mm (not pt specific,

just follow

the actual mm) to stimulate, direction of

needles important, needles angle up to " lift' the mm. Find out which facial

nerve affected

by the virus (ie trigeminal) and tx area accordingly. They also used the pts in

the webs of

the fingers and lots of scalp pts (St8, GB15) to stimulate the frontal lobe

problems. TDP

lamp on affected area very useful. There is a similar protocol used for stroke

patients. I

have used this protocol with individual differences with great effect for stroke

and BP.

Hope this helps,

Larissa

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , Twyla <twylahoodah

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> Hullo...HELP!

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> Has anyone had good results treating Bell's Palsy? Any magical point

prescriptions with

or without the use of e-stim? Or will the cookie cutter formula will do just as

well?

>  

> thanks heaps!

> th

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David Mayor's book Electroacupuncture discusses the use of

electroacupuncture in the treatment of Bell's Palsy.

 

If i remember correctly, you can only use electroacupuncture in the

latter part of the disease. See his book for further info.

 

Attilio

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Chinese Medicine , Miriam Derman

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> I am currently treating a case of Bell's Palsy, 3 1/2 weeks out from

the onset, in a patient who is taking Humera for Crohn's disease. I

would like advice on the use of estim, settings and duration and

frequency of treatment. The patient is a 55 year old male. Pt. prefers

not to take chinese herbs and as of now I am using needles and moxa.

> Thanks,

> Miriam Tamara Derman, RN LAc

> Innergate Therapeutics

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Hello MIriam:

 

It is important with Bell's Palsy to distinguish between channel and network

stroke and visceral stroke. The latter contains additional distinctions between

block patterns and desertion patterns.

 

Point selection follows based on those distinctions.

 

Regards, Jack

 

 

 

 

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Miriam Derman <miriamderman

Bell's Palsy

Chinese Medicine

Saturday, October 18, 2008, 4:27 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am currently treating a case of Bell's Palsy, 3 1/2 weeks out from

the onset, in a patient who is taking Humera for Crohn's disease. I would like

advice on the use of estim, settings and duration and frequency of treatment.

The patient is a 55 year old male. Pt. prefers not to take chinese herbs and as

of now I am using needles and moxa.

 

Thanks,

 

Miriam Tamara Derman, RN LAc

 

Innergate Therapeutics

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

 

 

 

 

 

http://mail.

 

 

 

 

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Needle Ce San Li, Ce Xia San Li, Mu Dou, Mu Liu, Qian Zheng on the

contralateral side every other day for a period of 2 weeks. Bloodlet Er

Jian on the affected side.

 

The patient needs herbals: Qian Zheng San and Bu Yang Huan Wu Tang.

 

Best of luck,

 

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 4:27 AM, Miriam Derman <miriamdermanwrote:

 

> I am currently treating a case of Bell's Palsy, 3 1/2 weeks out from the

> onset, in a patient who is taking Humera for Crohn's disease. I would like

> advice on the use of estim, settings and duration and frequency of

> treatment. The patient is a 55 year old male. Pt. prefers not to take

> chinese herbs and as of now I am using needles and moxa.

> Thanks,

> Miriam Tamara Derman, RN LAc

> Innergate Therapeutics

>

>

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Robert

Is Er Jian the same as Erzhong/77.06 in Dr. Young's book?

Thanks for any clarification

Turiya Hill, L.Ac.

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Robert Chu

Chinese Medicine

Monday, October 20, 2008 12:49 PM

Re: Bell's Palsy

 

 

Needle Ce San Li, Ce Xia San Li, Mu Dou, Mu Liu, Qian Zheng on the

contralateral side every other day for a period of 2 weeks. Bloodlet Er

Jian on the affected side.

 

The patient needs herbals: Qian Zheng San and Bu Yang Huan Wu Tang.

 

Best of luck,

 

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 4:27 AM, Miriam Derman <miriamdermanwrote:

 

> I am currently treating a case of Bell's Palsy, 3 1/2 weeks out from the

> onset, in a patient who is taking Humera for Crohn's disease. I would like

> advice on the use of estim, settings and duration and frequency of

> treatment. The patient is a 55 year old male. Pt. prefers not to take

> chinese herbs and as of now I am using needles and moxa.

> Thanks,

> Miriam Tamara Derman, RN LAc

> Innergate Therapeutics

>

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Er Jian is Ear Apex - 10 drops of blood is good.

 

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> Robert

> Is Er Jian the same as Erzhong/77.06 in Dr. Young's book?

> Thanks for any clarification

> Turiya Hill, L.Ac.

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> Robert Chu

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Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

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> Monday, October 20, 2008 12:49 PM

> Re: Bell's Palsy

>

> Needle Ce San Li, Ce Xia San Li, Mu Dou, Mu Liu, Qian Zheng on the

> contralateral side every other day for a period of 2 weeks. Bloodlet Er

> Jian on the affected side.

>

> The patient needs herbals: Qian Zheng San and Bu Yang Huan Wu Tang.

>

> Best of luck,

>

> On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 4:27 AM, Miriam Derman

<miriamderman<miriamderman%40>

> >wrote:

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> > I am currently treating a case of Bell's Palsy, 3 1/2 weeks out from the

> > onset, in a patient who is taking Humera for Crohn's disease. I would

> like

> > advice on the use of estim, settings and duration and frequency of

> > treatment. The patient is a 55 year old male. Pt. prefers not to take

> > chinese herbs and as of now I am using needles and moxa.

> > Thanks,

> > Miriam Tamara Derman, RN LAc

> > Innergate Therapeutics

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Jack,

 

Do you see Bell's Palsy manifest as a visceral strike? It seems a bit extreme

for the presentation. For example from Qin Bo-Wei:

 

* Visceral strike: Spirit radiance is scattered and disorderly, tongue is unable

to speak, and foaming oral-mucus flows from the mouth.

 

Commentary: Additional signs and symptoms are loss of control of the urine and

bowels, mouth has difficulty opening. This may be a deep coma and is difficult

to cure.

 

 

 

-Jason

 

 

 

Jack Sweeney

Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:29 PM

Chinese Medicine

Re: Bell's Palsy

 

 

Hello MIriam:

 

It is important with Bell's Palsy to distinguish between channel and network

stroke and visceral stroke. The latter contains additional distinctions between

block patterns and desertion patterns.

 

Point selection follows based on those distinctions.

 

Regards, Jack

 

 

 

--- On Sat, 10/18/08, Miriam Derman <miriamderman wrote:

Miriam Derman <miriamderman

Bell's Palsy

Chinese Medicine

Saturday, October 18, 2008, 4:27 AM

 

I am currently treating a case of Bell's Palsy, 3 1/2 weeks out from the onset,

in a patient who is taking Humera for Crohn's disease. I would like advice on

the use of estim, settings and duration and frequency of treatment. The patient

is a 55 year old male. Pt. prefers not to take chinese herbs and as of now I am

using needles and moxa.

 

Thanks,

 

Miriam Tamara Derman, RN LAc

 

Innergate Therapeutics

 

____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi All, & Robert,

 

 

Robert Chu wrote:

> Needle Ce San Li, Ce Xia San Li, Mu Dou, Mu Liu, Qian Zheng on the

> contralateral side every other day for a period of 2 weeks. Bloodlet

> Er Jian on the affected side. The patient needs herbals: Qian Zheng

> San and Bu Yang Huan Wu Tang.

 

Details for acupoints Cesanli, Cexiasanli, Mudou, Muliu, Qianzheng &

Erjian are below.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

Cesanlixue - Dong 77.22 [Lateral to 3 Li (Sanli-ST36) Pt]

horizontally 1.5 " lateral to ST36; Needle 0.5 -1.0 " deep

Teeth & LU Reflex Area

 

Toothache; Gingivitis, Face nerve palsy; always combine Cexiasanli +

Cesanli contralaterally in practice

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Cexiasanlixue - Dong 77.23 [Distal to Lateral to 3 Li (Sanli-ST36)

Pt]

longitudinally 2 " below Cesanli; Needle 0.5-1.0 " deep

 

 

Tx same as Cesanli; both Pts (Cexiasanli + Cesanli) always combine

contralaterally in practice

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Mudouxuexue - Dong 66.07 [Wood Scoop Pt]

1 " prox to web between toes 3-4; Needle 0.5-1.0 " deep

 

 

Same as Muliuxue but excluding Leukaemia

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Muliuxuexue - Dong 66.06 [Wood Keep Pt]

1.5 " prox to web between toes 3-4; Needle 0.5-1.0 " deep

SP & LV Reflex Area

 

SP enlargement; Indigestion, LV disease, Fatigue, GB disease,

Cholecystitis, polio~ pediatric & Leukaemia

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Qianzheng; Qianzhengxue; Jiuzheng - Ex-HN16 [Lead to Correct

[Position]; Haul Correctly; Direct [Face] Correctly Pt; Pull Aright]

on back part of mandible, 0.5-1 " ant to earlobe / 1 " ant to inf edge

of earlobe, level w tip of nose, below ST07, 1 " from ST06; Needle,

0.5-1 " obliquely toward nose then Needle masseter m towards parotid

gland; MOXA OK

 

Clear Wind Heat; Relax Sinew; Free Channel Bi; Free & Activate

Jingluo

face disorders; face paralysis / spasm / tic; face paralysis w mouth

& eye deviation S & Ss to recover normality, thus called Qianzheng

[ " Lead to Correct Position " ]; toothache esp lower jaw & molars; mouth

sores / ulcers / canker; aphthae; tongue ulcers; halitosis;

parotitis; for face paralysis: Qianzheng + ST04, LI04, PC08, SJ17;

for frowning~ impossible [cannot contract eyebrows], add GB14; cannot

close eyes, add BL02 penetrating to Yuyao; cannot wrinkle nose, add

ST02; for mouth downward askew, add ST04 penetrating to SI18; for

philtrum / GV26 cleft deviated, add GV27 penetrating to ST04

 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Erjian - Ex-HN06 [Ear Apex; Ear Tip]

at ear apex when ear is folded vertically forwards; Needle Perp 0.1-

0.2 " / sc 0.3-0.5 " / bleed Pt; MOXA OK

 

Clear Heat + Toxin; Disperse Wind; Brighten Eyes; Ease Pain

[1] eye diseases; ophthalmitis; keratitis; pannus; stye, nebula,

pterygium, corneal opacity; conjunctivitis, conjunctivitis~ acute;

[2] headache~ splitting; Bleed Erjian to Clear Heat in Heat / febrile

diseases, fever~ high; hypertension; pharyngitis; aphonia; parotitis;

for pharyngitis & aphonia, use Erjian + GV15

 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

Other points for Bell´s (face nerves) palsy are:

 

Lingguxue; Linggu; Lingku - Dong 22.05 [spirit Bone Pt]

on hand dorsum, at bony notch of MC bones 1-2, 1 " proximal to LI04,

1 " from Dabai; Needle Perp, 0.3-0.5 " / Needle deeply thru Zhongxian;

MOXA OK: Note: needling is CI in pregnancy

LU Reflex Area

Free Channel Bi; Linggu, Dabai & LI04 are powerful toFree Channel Bi

LU Fx Insufficiency (LU Xu) causing sciatica, loin pain, Leg / foot

pain, Bell´s palsy (Face nerve palsy), hemiplegia, Tinnitus,

deafness, Hearing impairment (sensorineural type); bone & skeleton

swelling; back pain, migraine, intestine pain, dizziness & brain~

heavy feeling; female Jingmai not adjusted (menorrhagia /

oligomenorrhagia), dysmenorrhoea, Polyuria, Amenorrhoea, dystocia; CI

in pregnancy; head & face various diseases & Cold Pattern, Damage dt

Cold w cough, Diabetes, hand pain, emesis & diarrhoea, hemiplegia,

sciatica, loin pain, twisting pain / colic, bone swelling,

amenorrhoea & dystocia, enuresis, dysmenorrhoea, intestine pain,

erysipelas; LU Qi Insufficiency w pneumonia, LU emphysema, LU cancer,

face paralysis, hemiplegia, headache, headache~ migraine, menses~

irregular, dysmenorrhoea, HT disease, HT arrhythmia, angina pectoris,

ST & duodenal ulcer, pyelonephritis, SI-LI enteritis, surface boil,

eye diseases, tinnitus, deafness & all chronic diseases, diseases~

idiopathic / rare, nose disease; Use: Needle Linggu 0.5-1.5 " thru

Zhongxian; Linggu is commonly used bc its Free Jingluo Fx is very

strong; for hemiplegia, use Linggu + Dabai; for children w acute

tonsillitis, use Linggu + Erbei (bleed); for outstanding results to

Tx pediatric meningitis sequels, use Linggu + Shanglianquan; for

sciatica, use Linggu + Dabai & Renhuang; for metrorrhagia, use Linggu

+ Renhuang; Reinforce [Tone] Linggu & Drain [Disperse] Shaoze to Tx

postpartum agalactia extremely well; Linggu alone can Tx foot

weakness, pollakisuria, aches & pains, elbow pain, trismus & nose~

internal raising blisters / aphthae [take healthy [ contralateral]

side], esp good effects in dizziness; Linggu has quite good effect in

anger w clenched fists, acute loin sprain, neck spasm / stiffness -

" Fall-off Pillow " , indigestion / dyspepsia; anorexia, anus prolapse;

its effect on limb extremity numbness is like that of Renhuang; for

sciatica w loin pain & leg~ lat pain / body~ shooting pains, elbow

arthralgia, headache / head S & Ss, dysuria, pollakisuria, use Linggu +

Yaotong + Dabai + Zhongbai; for loin / waist pain, use Linggu + LI05;

Linggu + Dabai + LI04 form an isosceles triangle; combo is powerful

for pain dt Qizhi / Xueyu;

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Sihuawaixue - Dong 77.14 [4 Flowers Lateral Pt]

1.5 " horizontally to Sihuazhong; Needle 1-1.5 " deep

LU & 6 Fu (Hollow Bowels) Reflex Area

 

Acute enteritis, Toothache, Migraine, Face palsy, Intercostal

neuralgia, Tennis elbow; Procedure: Bleed black Xue to Tx acute

enteritis, intercostal neuralgia, chest oppression, asthma, sciatica

(along GB Channel) & other neuralgia, shoulder/arm pain, ear pain,

chronic sinusitis, headache, hypertension;

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Simazhongxue - Dong 88.17 [4 Horses Central Pt]

stand patient w both arms hanging naturally down; from Pt at tip of

middle finger, measure 3 " anteriorly (horizontally); Needle 0.8-2.5 " ;

 

LV & LU Reflex Area

 

ribs pain, chest hit / trauma from behind & causing chest & back

pain; back pain, Sciatica / lumbago d/t LU Xu, LU Xu, LU disease,

Pleurisy, Rhinitis , Tinnitus, hearing Loss, deafness, Face nerve

palsy, Conjunctivitis (red eye), Asthma, Breast pain (most

effective), Hemiplegia, Psoriasis, Skin disease; Also limb~ lower

sprain/strain

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

Also consider Biliu, Jiachengjiang, Taiyang, Yankou, Yintang, Yuyao,

Zhongkui#1, Zhongkui#2

 

Also consider:

Local Pts on Main Channels passing in affected areas

+ Distant Pts on those Channels / linked Channels esp LI04, LV03

+ Pts to Dispel Wind & Ease Pain, etc

 

Best regards,

 

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Your son needs to be on a calcium regimen as he sounds like he has a raging calcium deficiency. Bell's Palsy is most often caused by this. Google it. I'd put him on Doc's lemon-egg formula using eggs from a farm. I know I take a calcium supplement, and when I'm able to get farm eggs (not laying right now), I take Doc's formula.

 

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Lori

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herbal remedies (AT) Groups (DOT) comFrom: nlc83Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:31:12 -0800{Herbal Remedies} Bell's Palsy

 

 

Two weeks ago, my son (26) developed signs of Bell's Palsy and facial paralysis on the right side of his face.I think because he got severely hit in the right temple with an elbow during a basketball game, followed by headaches that day and followed day. His blood tests came back negative for any other possible cause. He insists on going the conventional medicine way, has undergone with 1 week of steroids, which has nowended. He is now taking vitamin B12 shots. He is going to get a CT scan this week, and start physical therapy. I would like to know what I herbal remedies I can provide for him, in addition to his medical treatments. I feel that even though he wants to go the conventional medicine way, some herbal remedies is better than none. Your advice would be appreciated.

 

-- Nicole

 

 

 

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Acupuncture is very effective with Bell's Palsy. Especially if treated soon after onset.

 

 

 

 

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Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:31 AM

{Herbal Remedies} Bell's Palsy

 

Two weeks ago, my son (26) developed signs of Bell's Palsy and facial paralysis on the right side of his face.I think because he got severely hit in the right temple with an elbow during a basketball game, followed by headaches that day and followed day. His blood tests came back negative for any other possible cause. He insists on going the conventional medicine way, has undergone with 1 week of steroids, which has nowended. He is now taking vitamin B12 shots. He is going to get a CT scan this week, and start physical therapy. I would like to know what I herbal remedies I can provide for him, in addition to his medical treatments. I feel that even though he wants to go the conventional medicine way, some herbal remedies is better than none. Your advice would be appreciated.

 

-- Nicole

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Nicole,

The best thing is to get him to listen to Doc's free CD lecture first.

Hopefully the data in it will speak to him.

Mary

 

 

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Two

weeks ago, my son (26) developed signs of Bell's Palsy and facial

paralysis on the right side of his face.

I think because he got severely hit in the right temple with an elbow

during a basketball game, followed by

headaches that day and followed day. His blood tests came back

negative for any other possible cause.

He insists on going the conventional medicine way, has undergone with 1

week of steroids, which has now

ended. He is now taking vitamin B12 shots. He is going to get a CT

scan this week, and start physical

therapy. I would like to know what I herbal remedies I can provide for

him, in addition to his medical

treatments. I feel that even though he wants to go the conventional

medicine way, some herbal remedies

is better than none. Your advice would be appreciated.

 

-- Nicole

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Ok, I'm a student intern in the clinic at my school. A buddy of mine is sending

his sister to see me tomorrow, and it sounds like an interesting case.

The patient has Bell's Palsy, but it sounds like it may have come from internal

wind. Has anyone ever heard of that before? I haven't been able to examine

her, but based on what he was telling me, she had a lot of pain around GB 20 on

the right side. This persisted for over a week, iirc. Then on the left side,

she developed Bell's Palsy. Now that could still be exterior wind, but from

what else he was telling me, it sounded like she had like a liver yin deficiency

with heat or wind rising. I don't recall all that he said.

Anyway, I guess she's been in alot of pain, and she was actually in the hospital

with this for a week, but they were unable to help her.

I'll give more of an update after I see her, if the case really does turn out to

be of particular interest.

 

 

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Hi Mercurius,

 

I got to intern in a Chinese hospital ward that was devoted exclusively to

Bell's Palsy. You are probably correct about the need to clam internal wind,

though I'd wait for a first-person look before making the assumption that it

is a Liver yin deficiency. It could just as easily be blood deficiency that

caused the wind. Or blood level heat for that matter, since it would warm

the liver and help produce some windy conditions.

 

While this article doesn't talk too much about syndrome differentiation, it

does provide the Kunming TCM Hospital protocol:

http://www.gancao.net/acupuncture/bells-palsy-220

 

Best of luck to you on this case.

-al.

 

On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Mercurius Trismegistus <

magisterium_magnum wrote:

 

>

>

> Ok, I'm a student intern in the clinic at my school. A buddy of mine is

> sending his sister to see me tomorrow, and it sounds like an interesting

> case.

> The patient has Bell's Palsy, but it sounds like it may have come from

> internal wind. Has anyone ever heard of that before? I haven't been able to

> examine her, but based on what he was telling me, she had a lot of pain

> around GB 20 on the right side. This persisted for over a week, iirc. Then

> on the left side, she developed Bell's Palsy. Now that could still be

> exterior wind, but from what else he was telling me, it sounded like she had

> like a liver yin deficiency with heat or wind rising. I don't recall all

> that he said.

> Anyway, I guess she's been in alot of pain, and she was actually in the

> hospital with this for a week, but they were unable to help her.

> I'll give more of an update after I see her, if the case really does turn

> out to be of particular interest.

>

>

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Well, Liver Yin Defeciency.......oftentimes Bells Palsy follows vaccinations did

she have any? Neurological damage is common as these vaccines viruses can easily

travel up nerves. Mercury and Aluminum are also neurotoxins. Never forget about

evil pathogens via injection.

 

Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

 

 

 

 

 

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magisterium_magnum

Sun, 4 Apr 2010 19:25:23 -0700

Bell's Palsy

 

 

 

 

 

Ok, I'm a student intern in the clinic at my school. A buddy of mine is sending

his sister to see me tomorrow, and it sounds like an interesting case.

The patient has Bell's Palsy, but it sounds like it may have come from internal

wind. Has anyone ever heard of that before? I haven't been able to examine her,

but based on what he was telling me, she had a lot of pain around GB 20 on the

right side. This persisted for over a week, iirc. Then on the left side, she

developed Bell's Palsy. Now that could still be exterior wind, but from what

else he was telling me, it sounded like she had like a liver yin deficiency with

heat or wind rising. I don't recall all that he said.

Anyway, I guess she's been in alot of pain, and she was actually in the hospital

with this for a week, but they were unable to help her.

I'll give more of an update after I see her, if the case really does turn out to

be of particular interest.

 

 

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dr. tan's balance method works well: get his book Acupuncture 1,2,3. it

tells how to do it and may discuss bell's palsy specifically. if not,

follow tx protocol for trigem neuralgia or TMJ: they are all tx the same way

in his system. the book is available on his website drtanshow.com. it's

about $30. you find his method quite useful for all pain conditions.

supervisors and fellow interns will be interested in what you are doing.

 

kath

 

On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Mercurius Trismegistus <

magisterium_magnum wrote:

 

>

>

> Ok, I'm a student intern in the clinic at my school. A buddy of mine is

> sending his sister to see me tomorrow, and it sounds like an interesting

> case.

> The patient has Bell's Palsy, but it sounds like it may have come from

> internal wind. Has anyone ever heard of that before? I haven't been able to

> examine her, but based on what he was telling me, she had a lot of pain

> around GB 20 on the right side. This persisted for over a week, iirc. Then

> on the left side, she developed Bell's Palsy. Now that could still be

> exterior wind, but from what else he was telling me, it sounded like she had

> like a liver yin deficiency with heat or wind rising. I don't recall all

> that he said.

> Anyway, I guess she's been in alot of pain, and she was actually in the

> hospital with this for a week, but they were unable to help her.

> I'll give more of an update after I see her, if the case really does turn

> out to be of particular interest.

>

>

>

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My experience with Bell's Palsy is that the results are related to how recent

the incidence is, within 10 days, you should easily achieve 100% with about 5

treatments, however, if 90 days have passed, I often don't see much change. I

use electricity on the face points, which is sometimes hard to take

psychologically. And yes, I treat front and back, Bl 18, 19 GB 20, and then the

face points. Usually there is internal wind.

 

Regards,

Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D.

 

angelapfa

 

www.InnerhealthSalem.com

 

Phone: 503 364 3022

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Mercurius Trismegistus

Chinese Medicine

Cc: ; Chinese Traditional Medicine

Sunday, April 04, 2010 7:25 PM

Bell's Palsy

 

 

 

Ok, I'm a student intern in the clinic at my school. A buddy of mine is

sending his sister to see me tomorrow, and it sounds like an interesting case.

The patient has Bell's Palsy, but it sounds like it may have come from

internal wind. Has anyone ever heard of that before? I haven't been able to

examine her, but based on what he was telling me, she had a lot of pain around

GB 20 on the right side. This persisted for over a week, iirc. Then on the left

side, she developed Bell's Palsy. Now that could still be exterior wind, but

from what else he was telling me, it sounded like she had like a liver yin

deficiency with heat or wind rising. I don't recall all that he said.

Anyway, I guess she's been in alot of pain, and she was actually in the

hospital with this for a week, but they were unable to help her.

I'll give more of an update after I see her, if the case really does turn out

to be of particular interest.

 

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Thanks to all of you for your input on this case.

It turns out that the patient had been recieving EMDR therapy for emotional

trauma. One thing she mentioned in my intake was that her husband had

committed suicide ten years before, and that she had disturbed sleep ever

since then. Well, it turns out that this had occurred ten years previously

TO THE DAY of onset. I have also found out that she was recieving EMDR

therapy. This is the therapy where they use eye movement and they tap

areas of the head and were doing this in particular on the face and around

the eyes. So the whole thing seems to be making more sense.

I must say, the treatment was very successful. I was doing acupuncture on

her, followed by Amno-Daiyin from another student. The treatments were very

effective.

I was doing two needles on TaiYin, one obliquely towards GB 8 and one

towards ST 6. I was doing ST 2, the extra point in front of the ear lobe

the name of which I forget, obliquely towards the tip of the nose, SJ 17 and

GB 20. Then I also threw in some points on the arm, as far as SJ 5, 3 and

2. So thanks for all your input! It was very helpful. Sometimes the

professors think I'm nuts when I ask them questions like that. LOL. " What,

internal wind!? "

 

 

 

 

 

 

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" Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. " <angelapfa

<Chinese Medicine >

Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:04 AM

Re: Bell's Palsy

 

 

> My experience with Bell's Palsy is that the results are related to how

> recent the incidence is, within 10 days, you should easily achieve 100%

> with about 5 treatments, however, if 90 days have passed, I often don't

> see much change. I use electricity on the face points, which is sometimes

> hard to take psychologically. And yes, I treat front and back, Bl 18, 19

> GB 20, and then the face points. Usually there is internal wind.

>

> Regards,

> Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D.

>

> angelapfa

>

> www.InnerhealthSalem.com

>

> Phone: 503 364 3022

> -

> Mercurius Trismegistus

> Chinese Medicine

> Cc: ; Chinese Traditional Medicine

> Sunday, April 04, 2010 7:25 PM

> Bell's Palsy

>

>

>

> Ok, I'm a student intern in the clinic at my school. A buddy of mine is

> sending his sister to see me tomorrow, and it sounds like an interesting

> case.

> The patient has Bell's Palsy, but it sounds like it may have come from

> internal wind. Has anyone ever heard of that before? I haven't been able

> to examine her, but based on what he was telling me, she had a lot of pain

> around GB 20 on the right side. This persisted for over a week, iirc. Then

> on the left side, she developed Bell's Palsy. Now that could still be

> exterior wind, but from what else he was telling me, it sounded like she

> had like a liver yin deficiency with heat or wind rising. I don't recall

> all that he said.

> Anyway, I guess she's been in alot of pain, and she was actually in the

> hospital with this for a week, but they were unable to help her.

> I'll give more of an update after I see her, if the case really does turn

> out to be of particular interest.

>

>

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