Guest guest Report post Posted April 10, 2009 Hi Diane, That is the trouble with ITP, the kids don't feel bad and they are active when they shouldn't be! Other than the bruising and petechiae (broken capillaries that look like little red dots under the skin, usually), the kids look perfectly normal. I was actually accosted by a woman in a business dress who barreled down on me in the produce department at a local grocery store and demanded to know who had been abusing my child!!!! I was about 2 weeks away from having my 7th child, and I wanted to pick up the other four kids I had with me that day and run as fast as I could! I just knew children's services was going to show up at my door, but they never did. This was shortly before my daughter was diagnosed. I knew no one had been abusing her! But I did know she was so bruised. Why didn't I take her to the doctor at that time? I just assumed she was bruising as she refused to eat any vegetables at all and I thought perhaps it was a vitamin deficiency (lack of Vitamin C can cause bruising) so I put her on a chewable vitamin for kids, but them she woke one morning soon afterwards with a nose bleed that lasted 3 hours and 45 minutes and I knew there was something wrong. I then took her to our D.O and he ran some blood tests on her and sent us to a pediatrician friend of his who told me as soon as he seen her that he thought she had ITP, but that he'd have to draw blood and run more tests. She was hospitalized the next day for a bone marrow aspirate and we were started on our almost 5 year journey living with a child with ITP. I have read there are a couple of different styles/types of ITP. Mainly small children ebtween 2-6 get ITP; mainly girls, though some people get it as adults. I once had a pastor whose wife had just battled a time with ITP in her mid 40's (just before they came to our church to pastor). This was the first time I ran into an adult who had had adult on-set ITP. ITP is an auto-immune disorder for those of you out there who have never heard of it. Lori"I feel ashamed that so many of us cannot imagine a better way to do things than locking children up all day in cells instead of letting them grow up knowing their families, mingling with the world, assuming real obligations, striving to be independent and self-reliant and free." - John Taylor Gatto > herbal remedies > dmackey00 Fri, 10 Apr 2009 01:35:17 -0400> Re: {Herbal Remedies} Help please> > Lori,> > At the time my nephew was dealing with the ITP, I do recall my sis in law> saying that he didn't have the genetic markers for the disease, so they> needed to rule out leukemia as a cause. All of his treatment was at> Children's Hospital in Boston. He was not feeling ill at all and it was> tough to keep a rambunctious five year old from doing things that could hurt> him. Because he had so many marks on his head, we had to be very concerned> with bleeding in the brain. What we went through is nothing compared to> what you and your daughter dealt with. I'm so glad she is cured!> > > Diane> A VETERAN> Whether on active duty, retired, national guard or reserve, is someone who,> at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United> States of America, " for an amount of "up to and including my life."> That is honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no> longer understand it.> Author unknown.> > - > "Lori Smith" <homeschoolmom42> "Bryan Schillington" <herbal_remedies >> Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:03 PM> RE: {Herbal Remedies} Help please> > > > My daughter was diagnosed with ITP in October 1990 at the age of 22 1/2> months. She looked like an abused child!> > > > ---> > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to> prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington! Groups Links> > <*> > herbal remedies/> > <*> Your email settings:> Individual Email | Traditional> > <*> To change settings online go to:> herbal remedies/join> ( ID required)> > <*> To change settings via email:> herbal remedies-digest > herbal remedies-fullfeatured > > <*> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 13, 2009 I appreciate your comments and advice and just so those of you who are not familiar with ITP it can be cured often in young children. It can be caused by a virus or an some who suffer from it are found to have alot of a certain bacteria in their stomach. The doctors have advised us that my daughter who is 20 years old will have the disorder the rest of her life. She is deeply depressed what with the weight gain from the steroids and the huge scar she has from the spleenectomy and the large quantity of very long, wide stretch marks she is having trouble motivating herself. On top of that she has FAS and she always puts her self in risky situations. She has come along way from when we brought her home to be a part of our family at 18months and I hope this is just another obstacle for her to overcome. I plan to start her on some of the suggestions but she is not happy about it. She however doesn't want to have to try chemo drugs to treat it. So I think she will grudgingly do what she is told. Wish me luck - Tracy herbal remedies , Lori Smith <homeschoolmom42 wrote: > > > Hi Diane, > > > > That is the trouble with ITP, the kids don't feel bad and they are active when they shouldn't be! Other than the bruising and petechiae (broken capillaries that look like little red dots under the skin, usually), the kids look perfectly normal. I was actually accosted by a woman in a business dress who barreled down on me in the produce department at a local grocery store and demanded to know who had been abusing my child!!!! I was about 2 weeks away from having my 7th child, and I wanted to pick up the other four kids I had with me that day and run as fast as I could! I just knew children's services was going to show up at my door, but they never did. This was shortly before my daughter was diagnosed. I knew no one had been abusing her! But I did know she was so bruised. Why didn't I take her to the doctor at that time? I just assumed she was bruising as she refused to eat any vegetables at all and I thought perhaps it was a vitamin deficiency (lack of Vitamin C can cause bruising) so I put her on a chewable vitamin for kids, but them she woke one morning soon afterwards with a nose bleed that lasted 3 hours and 45 minutes and I knew there was something wrong. I then took her to our D.O and he ran some blood tests on her and sent us to a pediatrician friend of his who told me as soon as he seen her that he thought she had ITP, but that he'd have to draw blood and run more tests. She was hospitalized the next day for a bone marrow aspirate and we were started on our almost 5 year journey living with a child with ITP. > > I have read there are a couple of different styles/types of ITP. Mainly small children ebtween 2-6 get ITP; mainly girls, though some people get it as adults. I once had a pastor whose wife had just battled a time with ITP in her mid 40's (just before they came to our church to pastor). This was the first time I ran into an adult who had had adult on-set ITP. > > ITP is an auto-immune disorder for those of you out there who have never heard of it. > > > > Lori > > " I feel ashamed that so many of us cannot imagine a better way to do things than locking children up all day in cells instead of letting them grow up knowing their families, mingling with the world, assuming real obligations, striving to be independent and self-reliant and free. " - John Taylor Gatto > > > herbal remedies > > dmackey00 > > Fri, 10 Apr 2009 01:35:17 -0400 > > Re: {Herbal Remedies} Help please > > > > Lori, > > > > At the time my nephew was dealing with the ITP, I do recall my sis in law > > saying that he didn't have the genetic markers for the disease, so they > > needed to rule out leukemia as a cause. All of his treatment was at > > Children's Hospital in Boston. He was not feeling ill at all and it was > > tough to keep a rambunctious five year old from doing things that could hurt > > him. Because he had so many marks on his head, we had to be very concerned > > with bleeding in the brain. What we went through is nothing compared to > > what you and your daughter dealt with. I'm so glad she is cured! > > > > > > Diane > > A VETERAN > > Whether on active duty, retired, national guard or reserve, is someone who, > > at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to " The United > > States of America, " for an amount of " up to and including my life. " > > That is honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no > > longer understand it. > > Author unknown. > > > > - > > " Lori Smith " <homeschoolmom42 > > " Bryan Schillington " <herbal_remedies > > > Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:03 PM > > RE: {Herbal Remedies} Help please > > > > > > > > My daughter was diagnosed with ITP in October 1990 at the age of 22 1/2 > > months. She looked like an abused child! > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to > > prescribe for your own health. > > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > > they behave themselves. > > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > > > Dr. Ian Shillington > > Doctor of Naturopathy > > Dr.IanShillington! Groups Links > > > > > > > > _______________ > Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. > http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN55C0\ 701A > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 11, 2009 been in ER all morning,son has a large kidney stone.ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO GET IT PASSED? thanks, a worried mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 11, 2009 Oh no Sandy! I'm so sorry to hear this. Here is a remedy from The Best Years in Life Home and Herbal Remedies. /Kidney_Stones.htm oleander soup , Sandy eubank <sandyeubank wrote:>> been in ER all morning,son has a large kidney stone.ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO GET IT PASSED? thanks, a worried mom> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 11, 2009 I have had many large and small kidney stones, been in the Operating room twice, had better luck drinking a 1/4 cup apple cider vinegar just before bedtime, several days straight, they have disappeared. Good Luck Richard In a message dated 12/11/2009 7:25:50 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sandyeubank writes: been in ER all morning,son has a large kidney stone.ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO GET IT PASSED? thanks, a worried mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 11, 2009 Yes, I agree with the apple cider vinegar. I've had people ( including me) drink ACV in warm water with some raw honey, and sip it through the day for several days with good results. Rich in NJ In a message dated 12/11/2009 6:37:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rleeh2001 writes: I have had many large and small kidney stones, been in the Operating room twice, had better luck drinking a 1/4 cup apple cider vinegar just before bedtime, several days straight, they have disappeared. Good Luck Richard In a message dated 12/11/2009 7:25:50 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sandyeubank writes: been in ER all morning,son has a large kidney stone.ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO GET IT PASSED? thanks, a worried mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 11, 2009 Three to Five days, I have been bothered with kidney stones for 30 years, this has done the trick for me. I say just before bed hoping to soak the stones over night, vinegar will dissolve calcium in your sink, why not kidney stones. Good Luck they are very painful. Without pain relief, you would kill yourself to get out of that horrible pain. Warmly Yours Richard In a message dated 12/11/2009 5:38:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mary1kon writes:  Hi Richard. When you say several days, how many days is that, 3- 5 or 10 just making sure. Thank you Hugs Mary - rleeh2001 (AT) aol (DOT) com oleander soup Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:37 AM Re: HELP PLEASE I have had many large and small kidney stones, been in the Operating room twice, had better luck drinking a 1/4 cup apple cider vinegar just before bedtime, several days straight, they have disappeared. Good Luck Richard In a message dated 12/11/2009 7:25:50 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sandyeubank (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net writes: been in ER all morning,son has a large kidney stone.ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO GET IT PASSED? thanks, a worried mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 11, 2009 As natural healing with natural things goes............. You start and judge as you go along. I prefer using methods that are slow and steady. A smaller amount of vinegar, over time seems to be more tolerable to most people, even kids. Especially children, if they take something that "agrees" with them,. they will do it their whole life. So if you are dealing with stones, but are not in terrible pain, a number of days should make something happen. BUT in an emergency, gulping a lot may be what you have to do. Rich In a message dated 12/11/2009 8:38:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mary1kon writes:  Hi Richard. When you say several days, how many days is that, 3- 5 or 10 just making sure. Thank you Hugs Mary - rleeh2001 oleander soup Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:37 AM Re: HELP PLEASE I have had many large and small kidney stones, been in the Operating room twice, had better luck drinking a 1/4 cup apple cider vinegar just before bedtime, several days straight, they have disappeared. Good Luck Richard In a message dated 12/11/2009 7:25:50 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sandyeubank (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net writes: been in ER all morning,son has a large kidney stone.ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO GET IT PASSED? thanks, a worried mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 11, 2009 Oh yes! I agree! I've had a few bouts with them. Many moons ago, I worked for C.R. Bard Inc. They specialized in urinary drainage products, like catheters, bags ,etc. I saw many people with these problems. After seeing what the docs did to them, I started to look for a better way. I like what nature has to share. Rich in NJ In a message dated 12/11/2009 8:45:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rleeh2001 writes: Three to Five days, I have been bothered with kidney stones for 30 years, this has done the trick for me. I say just before bed hoping to soak the stones over night, vinegar will dissolve calcium in your sink, why not kidney stones. Good Luck they are very painful. Without pain relief, you would kill yourself to get out of that horrible pain. Warmly Yours Richard In a message dated 12/11/2009 5:38:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mary1kon writes:  Hi Richard. When you say several days, how many days is that, 3- 5 or 10 just making sure. Thank you Hugs Mary - rleeh2001 (AT) aol (DOT) com oleander soup Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:37 AM Re: HELP PLEASE I have had many large and small kidney stones, been in the Operating room twice, had better luck drinking a 1/4 cup apple cider vinegar just before bedtime, several days straight, they have disappeared. Good Luck Richard In a message dated 12/11/2009 7:25:50 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sandyeubank (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net writes: been in ER all morning,son has a large kidney stone.ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO GET IT PASSED? thanks, a worried mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009  Hi Richard. When you say several days, how many days is that, 3- 5 or 10 just making sure. Thank you Hugs Mary - rleeh2001 oleander soup Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:37 AM Re: HELP PLEASE I have had many large and small kidney stones, been in the Operating room twice, had better luck drinking a 1/4 cup apple cider vinegar just before bedtime, several days straight, they have disappeared. Good Luck Richard In a message dated 12/11/2009 7:25:50 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sandyeubank (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net writes: been in ER all morning,son has a large kidney stone.ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO GET IT PASSED? thanks, a worried mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009  Thanks a lot Richard. I really i appreciate your answer come in so fast. Hugs Mary - rleeh2001 oleander soup Saturday, December 12, 2009 12:44 PM Re: HELP PLEASE Three to Five days, I have been bothered with kidney stones for 30 years, this has done the trick for me. I say just before bed hoping to soak the stones over night, vinegar will dissolve calcium in your sink, why not kidney stones. Good Luck they are very painful. Without pain relief, you would kill yourself to get out of that horrible pain. Warmly Yours Richard In a message dated 12/11/2009 5:38:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mary1kon (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au writes:  Hi Richard. When you say several days, how many days is that, 3- 5 or 10 just making sure. Thank you Hugs Mary - rleeh2001 (AT) aol (DOT) com oleander soup Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:37 AM Re: HELP PLEASE I have had many large and small kidney stones, been in the Operating room twice, had better luck drinking a 1/4 cup apple cider vinegar just before bedtime, several days straight, they have disappeared. Good Luck Richard In a message dated 12/11/2009 7:25:50 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sandyeubank (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net writes: been in ER all morning,son has a large kidney stone.ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO GET IT PASSED? thanks, a worried mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009  Hey Rich thank you. I'ts not for me, and i dont know if the lady is in pain, but she ask about natural remedies for Kidney stones , and i wanted to know before i talk to her. Again thank you Hugs Mary - richmaj oleander soup Saturday, December 12, 2009 12:53 PM Re: HELP PLEASE As natural healing with natural things goes............. You start and judge as you go along. I prefer using methods that are slow and steady. A smaller amount of vinegar, over time seems to be more tolerable to most people, even kids. Especially children, if they take something that "agrees" with them,. they will do it their whole life. So if you are dealing with stones, but are not in terrible pain, a number of days should make something happen. BUT in an emergency, gulping a lot may be what you have to do. Rich In a message dated 12/11/2009 8:38:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mary1kon (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au writes:  Hi Richard. When you say several days, how many days is that, 3- 5 or 10 just making sure. Thank you Hugs Mary - rleeh2001 (AT) aol (DOT) com oleander soup Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:37 AM Re: HELP PLEASE I have had many large and small kidney stones, been in the Operating room twice, had better luck drinking a 1/4 cup apple cider vinegar just before bedtime, several days straight, they have disappeared. Good Luck Richard In a message dated 12/11/2009 7:25:50 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sandyeubank (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net writes: been in ER all morning,son has a large kidney stone.ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO GET IT PASSED? thanks, a worried mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009 We all belong to this wonderful group of caring people, to help one another. Everyone is different and working on their own challenges. It's so nice to see so many people throw in the "two cent", because something from those posts might work. I encourage all reading this to share what they know, so others can benefit! Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all! Rich in NJ In a message dated 12/11/2009 10:58:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mary1kon writes:  Thanks a lot Richard. I really i appreciate your answer come in so fast. Hugs Mary - rleeh2001 oleander soup Saturday, December 12, 2009 12:44 PM Re: HELP PLEASE Three to Five days, I have been bothered with kidney stones for 30 years, this has done the trick for me. I say just before bed hoping to soak the stones over night, vinegar will dissolve calcium in your sink, why not kidney stones. Good Luck they are very painful. Without pain relief, you would kill yourself to get out of that horrible pain. Warmly Yours Richard In a message dated 12/11/2009 5:38:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mary1kon (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au writes:  Hi Richard. When you say several days, how many days is that, 3- 5 or 10 just making sure. Thank you Hugs Mary - rleeh2001 (AT) aol (DOT) com oleander soup Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:37 AM Re: HELP PLEASE I have had many large and small kidney stones, been in the Operating room twice, had better luck drinking a 1/4 cup apple cider vinegar just before bedtime, several days straight, they have disappeared. Good Luck Richard In a message dated 12/11/2009 7:25:50 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sandyeubank (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net writes: been in ER all morning,son has a large kidney stone.ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO GET IT PASSED? thanks, a worried mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009 There are so many places to look online, one wouldn't have time to read them. Yes, there are always new and innovative things being found, and new companies coming up. In one breath, I am very much for supplements ( which I use), and in another breath, I'm totally for using food from the earth. So we should talk about all things. More then once in my lifetime, I was flat broke. My physical problems still existed, so I had to learn other ways. That's why I keep returning to what people did over hundreds and even thousands of years. (I had some very good mentors too.) Even these days, food sources for healing are quite inexpensive, and sometimes free. I chuckle about how medical science calls everything else alternate, or unproven! IDIOTS. We cannot ( and should not) push anything on someone. We can share our information, and encourage them to look it up. I have found, if I made a suggestion and that person "accepted" it in their mind, they would follow through. What works for one can work for another. And Mary.......... We ALL thank YOU for what you share! Clap, Clap, Clap. In a message dated 12/11/2009 11:02:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mary1kon writes:  Hey Rich thank you. It's not for me, and i dont know if the lady is in pain, but she ask about natural remedies for Kidney stones , and i wanted to know before i talk to her. Again thank you Hugs Mary - richmaj oleander soup Saturday, December 12, 2009 12:53 PM Re: HELP PLEASE As natural healing with natural things goes............. You start and judge as you go along. I prefer using methods that are slow and steady. A smaller amount of vinegar, over time seems to be more tolerable to most people, even kids. Especially children, if they take something that "agrees" with them,. they will do it their whole life. So if you are dealing with stones, but are not in terrible pain, a number of days should make something happen. BUT in an emergency, gulping a lot may be what you have to do. Rich In a message dated 12/11/2009 8:38:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mary1kon (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au writes:  Hi Richard. When you say several days, how many days is that, 3- 5 or 10 just making sure. Thank you Hugs Mary - rleeh2001 (AT) aol (DOT) com oleander soup Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:37 AM Re: HELP PLEASE I have had many large and small kidney stones, been in the Operating room twice, had better luck drinking a 1/4 cup apple cider vinegar just before bedtime, several days straight, they have disappeared. Good Luck Richard In a message dated 12/11/2009 7:25:50 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sandyeubank (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net writes: been in ER all morning,son has a large kidney stone.ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO GET IT PASSED? thanks, a worried mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009 Mary,am excellent product that I have used it with a great sucess, is Jon Barron's "stone breaker". My stones disappeared in less than a month.Efi--- Στις Σάβ., 12/12/09, ο/η Maria <mary1kon ÎγÏαψε:Από: Maria <mary1konΘÎμα: Re: HELP PLEASEÎ Ïος: oleander soup ΗμεÏομηνία: Σάββατο, 12 ΔεκÎμβÏιος 2009, 6:02  Hey Rich thank you. I'ts not for me, and i dont know if the lady is in pain, but she ask about natural remedies for Kidney stones , and i wanted to know before i talk to her. Again thank you Hugs Mary - richmaj (AT) aol (DOT) com oleander soup Saturday, December 12, 2009 12:53 PM Re: HELP PLEASE As natural healing with natural things goes........ ..... You start and judge as you go along. I prefer using methods that are slow and steady. A smaller amount of vinegar, over time seems to be more tolerable to most people, even kids. Especially children, if they take something that "agrees" with them,. they will do it their whole life. So if you are dealing with stones, but are not in terrible pain, a number of days should make something happen. BUT in an emergency, gulping a lot may be what you have to do. Rich In a message dated 12/11/2009 8:38:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mary1kon (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au writes:  Hi Richard. When you say several days, how many days is that, 3- 5 or 10 just making sure. Thank you Hugs Mary - rleeh2001 (AT) aol (DOT) com oleander soup Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:37 AM Re: HELP PLEASE I have had many large and small kidney stones, been in the Operating room twice, had better luck drinking a 1/4 cup apple cider vinegar just before bedtime, several days straight, they have disappeared. Good Luck Richard In a message dated 12/11/2009 7:25:50 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sandyeubank@ sbcglobal. net writes: been in ER all morning,son has a large kidney stone.ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO GET IT PASSED? thanks, a worried mom ΧÏησιμοποιείτε ΒαÏεθήκατε τα ενοχλητικά Î¼Î·Î½Ï Î¼Î±Ï„Î± (spam); Το Mail διαθÎτει την καλÏτεÏη δυνατή Ï€Ïοστασία κατά των ενοχλητικών μηνυμάτων http://login./config/mail?.intl=gr Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009 Mary YOU are a sweet lady and a blessing to us all. We are blessed with your input and help. Continue to share your wonderful information, so we all can extend our lives. And as I have said before, ALL reading this post...PLEASE share what you have to give, so we all can live better. huggs and kisses to you Mary R In a message dated 12/12/2009 6:16:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mary1kon writes:  Rich i allways say to people this is not a prescription, this is just an information and you dont have to take or do anything unless you want to, just hear or read and learn and open your mind to nature. I grow up in a country and an era that vegetables where the main cource of food daily, we where never sick and never have the problems this generation has, so yes mather nature knows best, if we just let her be. Doctors and science call everything outside their profit hungry minds unproven, because they will lose money and that is their first prioraty, and my opinion of them gets down more and more as the prove to me time and time again, that they can not seperate two horses food, LOL . Now Rich you make me blash, but you are a sweetheart, and i thank you Hugs Mary - richmaj oleander soup Sunday, December 13, 2009 12:59 AM Re: HELP PLEASE There are so many places to look online, one wouldn't have time to read them. Yes, there are always new and innovative things being found, and new companies coming up. In one breath, I am very much for supplements ( which I use), and in another breath, I'm totally for using food from the earth. So we should talk about all things. More then once in my lifetime, I was flat broke. My physical problems still existed, so I had to learn other ways. That's why I keep returning to what people did over hundreds and even thousands of years. (I had some very good mentors too.) Even these days, food sources for healing are quite inexpensive, and sometimes free. I chuckle about how medical science calls everything else alternate, or unproven! IDIOTS. We cannot ( and should not) push anything on someone. We can share our information, and encourage them to look it up. I have found, if I made a suggestion and that person "accepted" it in their mind, they would follow through. What works for one can work for another. And Mary.......... We ALL thank YOU for what you share! Clap, Clap, Clap. In a message dated 12/11/2009 11:02:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mary1kon (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au writes:  Hey Rich thank you. It's not for me, and i dont know if the lady is in pain, but she ask about natural remedies for Kidney stones , and i wanted to know before i talk to her. Again thank you Hugs Mary - richmaj (AT) aol (DOT) com oleander soup Saturday, December 12, 2009 12:53 PM Re: HELP PLEASE As natural healing with natural things goes............. You start and judge as you go along. I prefer using methods that are slow and steady. A smaller amount of vinegar, over time seems to be more tolerable to most people, even kids. Especially children, if they take something that "agrees" with them,. they will do it their whole life. So if you are dealing with stones, but are not in terrible pain, a number of days should make something happen. BUT in an emergency, gulping a lot may be what you have to do. Rich In a message dated 12/11/2009 8:38:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mary1kon (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au writes:  Hi Richard. When you say several days, how many days is that, 3- 5 or 10 just making sure. Thank you Hugs Mary - rleeh2001 (AT) aol (DOT) com oleander soup Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:37 AM Re: HELP PLEASE I have had many large and small kidney stones, been in the Operating room twice, had better luck drinking a 1/4 cup apple cider vinegar just before bedtime, several days straight, they have disappeared. Good Luck Richard In a message dated 12/11/2009 7:25:50 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sandyeubank (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net writes: been in ER all morning,son has a large kidney stone.ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO GET IT PASSED? thanks, a worried mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009  Thank you Efi. I will pass the information on to the lady with the problem. Hugs Mary - efi noname oleander soup Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:20 PM Re: HELP PLEASE Mary,am excellent product that I have used it with a great sucess, is Jon Barron's "stone breaker". My stones disappeared in less than a month.Efi--- Στις Σάβ., 12/12/09, ο/η Maria <mary1kon (AT) optusnet (DOT) comau> ÎγÏαψε: Από: Maria <mary1kon (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au>ΘÎμα: Re: HELP PLEASEÎ Ïος: oleander soup ΗμεÏομηνία: Σάββατο, 12 ΔεκÎμβÏιος 2009, 6:02  Hey Rich thank you. I'ts not for me, and i dont know if the lady is in pain, but she ask about natural remedies for Kidney stones , and i wanted to know before i talk to her. Again thank you Hugs Mary - richmaj (AT) aol (DOT) com oleander soup Saturday, December 12, 2009 12:53 PM Re: HELP PLEASE As natural healing with natural things goes....... ..... You start and judge as you go along. I prefer using methods that are slow and steady. A smaller amount of vinegar, over time seems to be more tolerable to most people, even kids. Especially children, if they take something that "agrees" with them,. they will do it their whole life. So if you are dealing with stones, but are not in terrible pain, a number of days should make something happen. BUT in an emergency, gulping a lot may be what you have to do. Rich In a message dated 12/11/2009 8:38:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mary1kon (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au writes:  Hi Richard. When you say several days, how many days is that, 3- 5 or 10 just making sure. Thank you Hugs Mary - rleeh2001 (AT) aol (DOT) com oleander soup Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:37 AM Re: HELP PLEASE I have had many large and small kidney stones, been in the Operating room twice, had better luck drinking a 1/4 cup apple cider vinegar just before bedtime, several days straight, they have disappeared. Good Luck Richard In a message dated 12/11/2009 7:25:50 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sandyeubank@ sbcglobal. net writes: been in ER all morning,son has a large kidney stone.ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO GET IT PASSED? thanks, a worried mom ΧÏησιμοποιείτε ΒαÏεθήκατε τα ενοχλητικά Î¼Î·Î½Ï Î¼Î±Ï„Î± (spam); Το Mail διαθÎτει την καλÏτεÏη δυνατή Ï€Ïοστασία κατά των ενοχλητικών μηνυμάτων http://login./config/mail?.intl=gr Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009  We all very lucky in this forum Rich. Even the most difficult and hard questions are answer in here and every morning after my walking exercise, i come to the computer and read all the good information that has comes through the night . And i'm thankful for that. Hugs Mary - richmaj oleander soup Sunday, December 13, 2009 12:45 AM Re: HELP PLEASE We all belong to this wonderful group of caring people, to help one another. Everyone is different and working on their own challenges. It's so nice to see so many people throw in the "two cent", because something from those posts might work. I encourage all reading this to share what they know, so others can benefit! Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all! Rich in NJ In a message dated 12/11/2009 10:58:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mary1kon (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au writes:  Thanks a lot Richard. I really i appreciate your answer come in so fast. Hugs Mary - rleeh2001 (AT) aol (DOT) com oleander soup Saturday, December 12, 2009 12:44 PM Re: HELP PLEASE Three to Five days, I have been bothered with kidney stones for 30 years, this has done the trick for me. I say just before bed hoping to soak the stones over night, vinegar will dissolve calcium in your sink, why not kidney stones. Good Luck they are very painful. Without pain relief, you would kill yourself to get out of that horrible pain. Warmly Yours Richard In a message dated 12/11/2009 5:38:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mary1kon (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au writes:  Hi Richard. When you say several days, how many days is that, 3- 5 or 10 just making sure. Thank you Hugs Mary - rleeh2001 (AT) aol (DOT) com oleander soup Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:37 AM Re: HELP PLEASE I have had many large and small kidney stones, been in the Operating room twice, had better luck drinking a 1/4 cup apple cider vinegar just before bedtime, several days straight, they have disappeared. Good Luck Richard In a message dated 12/11/2009 7:25:50 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sandyeubank (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net writes: been in ER all morning,son has a large kidney stone.ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO GET IT PASSED? thanks, a worried mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2009  Rich i allways say to people this is not a prescription, this is just an information and you dont have to take or do anything unless you want to, just hear or read and learn and open your mind to nature. I grow up in a country and an era that vegetables where the main cource of food daily, we where never sick and never have the problems this generation has, so yes mather nature knows best, if we just let her be. Doctors and science call everything outside their profit hungry minds unproven, because they will lose money and that is their first prioraty, and my opinion of them gets down more and more as the prove to me time and time again, that they can not seperate two horses food, LOL . Now Rich you make me blash, but you are a sweetheart, and i thank you Hugs Mary - richmaj oleander soup Sunday, December 13, 2009 12:59 AM Re: HELP PLEASE There are so many places to look online, one wouldn't have time to read them. Yes, there are always new and innovative things being found, and new companies coming up. In one breath, I am very much for supplements ( which I use), and in another breath, I'm totally for using food from the earth. So we should talk about all things. More then once in my lifetime, I was flat broke. My physical problems still existed, so I had to learn other ways. That's why I keep returning to what people did over hundreds and even thousands of years. (I had some very good mentors too.) Even these days, food sources for healing are quite inexpensive, and sometimes free. I chuckle about how medical science calls everything else alternate, or unproven! IDIOTS. We cannot ( and should not) push anything on someone. We can share our information, and encourage them to look it up. I have found, if I made a suggestion and that person "accepted" it in their mind, they would follow through. What works for one can work for another. And Mary.......... We ALL thank YOU for what you share! Clap, Clap, Clap. In a message dated 12/11/2009 11:02:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mary1kon (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au writes:  Hey Rich thank you. It's not for me, and i dont know if the lady is in pain, but she ask about natural remedies for Kidney stones , and i wanted to know before i talk to her. Again thank you Hugs Mary - richmaj (AT) aol (DOT) com oleander soup Saturday, December 12, 2009 12:53 PM Re: HELP PLEASE As natural healing with natural things goes............. You start and judge as you go along. I prefer using methods that are slow and steady. A smaller amount of vinegar, over time seems to be more tolerable to most people, even kids. Especially children, if they take something that "agrees" with them,. they will do it their whole life. So if you are dealing with stones, but are not in terrible pain, a number of days should make something happen. BUT in an emergency, gulping a lot may be what you have to do. Rich In a message dated 12/11/2009 8:38:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mary1kon (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au writes:  Hi Richard. When you say several days, how many days is that, 3- 5 or 10 just making sure. Thank you Hugs Mary - rleeh2001 (AT) aol (DOT) com oleander soup Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:37 AM Re: HELP PLEASE I have had many large and small kidney stones, been in the Operating room twice, had better luck drinking a 1/4 cup apple cider vinegar just before bedtime, several days straight, they have disappeared. Good Luck Richard In a message dated 12/11/2009 7:25:50 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sandyeubank (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net writes: been in ER all morning,son has a large kidney stone.ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO GET IT PASSED? thanks, a worried mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 13, 2009  Thank you Rich. Well try to keep away from this wonderful site we belong, as it help us to help others. And yes one and all as Rich said, if you have information please share it with us, you never know when your information can help somebody heall. Take care Hugs Mary - richmaj oleander soup Sunday, December 13, 2009 1:35 PM Re: HELP PLEASE Mary YOU are a sweet lady and a blessing to us all. We are blessed with your input and help. Continue to share your wonderful information, so we all can extend our lives. And as I have said before, ALL reading this post...PLEASE share what you have to give, so we all can live better. huggs and kisses to you Mary R In a message dated 12/12/2009 6:16:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mary1kon (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au writes:  Rich i allways say to people this is not a prescription, this is just an information and you dont have to take or do anything unless you want to, just hear or read and learn and open your mind to nature. I grow up in a country and an era that vegetables where the main cource of food daily, we where never sick and never have the problems this generation has, so yes mather nature knows best, if we just let her be. Doctors and science call everything outside their profit hungry minds unproven, because they will lose money and that is their first prioraty, and my opinion of them gets down more and more as the prove to me time and time again, that they can not seperate two horses food, LOL . Now Rich you make me blash, but you are a sweetheart, and i thank you Hugs Mary - richmaj (AT) aol (DOT) com oleander soup Sunday, December 13, 2009 12:59 AM Re: HELP PLEASE There are so many places to look online, one wouldn't have time to read them. Yes, there are always new and innovative things being found, and new companies coming up. In one breath, I am very much for supplements ( which I use), and in another breath, I'm totally for using food from the earth. So we should talk about all things. More then once in my lifetime, I was flat broke. My physical problems still existed, so I had to learn other ways. That's why I keep returning to what people did over hundreds and even thousands of years. (I had some very good mentors too.) Even these days, food sources for healing are quite inexpensive, and sometimes free. I chuckle about how medical science calls everything else alternate, or unproven! IDIOTS. We cannot ( and should not) push anything on someone. We can share our information, and encourage them to look it up. I have found, if I made a suggestion and that person "accepted" it in their mind, they would follow through. What works for one can work for another. And Mary.......... We ALL thank YOU for what you share! Clap, Clap, Clap. In a message dated 12/11/2009 11:02:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mary1kon (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au writes:  Hey Rich thank you. It's not for me, and i dont know if the lady is in pain, but she ask about natural remedies for Kidney stones , and i wanted to know before i talk to her. Again thank you Hugs Mary - richmaj (AT) aol (DOT) com oleander soup Saturday, December 12, 2009 12:53 PM Re: HELP PLEASE As natural healing with natural things goes............. You start and judge as you go along. I prefer using methods that are slow and steady. A smaller amount of vinegar, over time seems to be more tolerable to most people, even kids. Especially children, if they take something that "agrees" with them,. they will do it their whole life. So if you are dealing with stones, but are not in terrible pain, a number of days should make something happen. BUT in an emergency, gulping a lot may be what you have to do. Rich In a message dated 12/11/2009 8:38:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mary1kon (AT) optusnet (DOT) com.au writes:  Hi Richard. When you say several days, how many days is that, 3- 5 or 10 just making sure. Thank you Hugs Mary - rleeh2001 (AT) aol (DOT) com oleander soup Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:37 AM Re: HELP PLEASE I have had many large and small kidney stones, been in the Operating room twice, had better luck drinking a 1/4 cup apple cider vinegar just before bedtime, several days straight, they have disappeared. Good Luck Richard In a message dated 12/11/2009 7:25:50 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, sandyeubank (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net writes: been in ER all morning,son has a large kidney stone.ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO GET IT PASSED? thanks, a worried mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
