Guest guest Report post Posted December 4, 2009 Tony, im not offended at all not in the least bit! I discontinued the other pills bc of his headaches and only just this week. But today at the suggestion of a pesky persistent group memeber :-). (You). I have forced him to continue with the rest of the pills. Just monday Reids great grandpa died and was VERY emotional about this telling me that he never wanted to die. I find the prospect of tellin him that this is the possibility if he does not take these pills or eat these items nauseating, bc what if none of it woeks anyway, what do i say to my boy as he struggles with life when he says "but mom i took the pills and ate the yucky stuff like you told me too". Sigh RhondaSent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® "TonyI" Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:56:53 -0000<oleander soup > Re: Reids MRI Rhonda -I hope you realize that in no way do I intend to offend and I am quite sensitive to the fact that no one knows your child better than you do. Likewise in no way am I questioning your concern or dedication to helping your son beat his cancer - and I am hoping that you look past any suppositions offered up out of concern and find useful suggestions to consider.While I am not literally recommending that you tie your own son up and force feed him, I will nevertheless say what I would do if it were me and my own child - and that would be to see to it one way or another that he would by golly take what I thought gave him his best chances whether he liked it or not.If it came down to him having an attitude and surviving versus him eating only what he accepts and not making it, I wouldn't even blink at such a choice. I apologize if you find that offensive - consider it tough love for one of my group family members if you will - but again I am simply trying to do what I always try to do here - give the best information and suggestions I know to try to help. I would feel remiss if I did anything less.Also, in your initial post about Reid's latest tests you said that you had discontinued some items and so I would say that it is not only the change from oleander with 80% sutherlandia to 100% oleander that is different. If it were me personally, I would probably switch back to the SOPC simply because it had been working - even though I find it hard to figure out why that might be the case and Marc himself has stated that he feels that oleander is by far the most important part of SOPC when it comes to cancer. Sutherlandia frutescens is known as the South Africa Cancer Bush though - so in some instances, who knows?All the best,Tonyoleander soup , rhonda ebrom <dipghater wrote:>> Damn Bob, and i was about to run out and bake me and Reid some fresh special> brownies> ;-) kidding of course, but i thought it was pretty funny! Im enjoying the> banter going back and forth way too much for the situation me and my son are> in, apparently im a sadist of sorts!> I might otherwise be really offended at the mention of tieing a child> up and force feeding them, forcing them to swallow pills etc. Oddly enough> at this point (the sadist comes out in me) im finding this very comical. I,> as you and yours, know my child inside and out. DIPG is a horrific brain> tumor that consumes the lives of 300 children a year, in the last 30 years,> 250 clinical trials have been done, and all have failed. The prognosis is> dismal, very dismal. Ok I quit laughing now, on to a more serious type of> conversation, I really dont feel as if I should have to defend my treatment> plan nor explain the reasoning why it is so, BUT, its no secret, Im not> ashamed and I do so freely ONLY because I know that the lot of you are> concerned for Reids well being!> Getting Reid to eat ANYTHING mushy, ice cream, mashed taters, yogurt,> applesause, jello, etc, is imfreakinpossible. As in, aint happening, aint> gonna do it, he'll be damned, HA HA and id have a better chance at becoming> a tycoon, then i would have getting Reid to eat cottage cheese, much less> cottage cheese with flax seed oil in it. Please do not think i haven't> tried. The boy will eat every fresh fruit under the sun, but make it mushy,> smoothie, forget it. Outside of that, i have no problems controlling what> he eats. We have really restricted his diet as far as what he is allowed to> eat.> Short timeline of events:> Feb 09 Reid diagnosed with DIPG> Feb 09 Reid started radiation therapy> Apr 09 radiation ended> May 09 post radiation mri showed complete resolution of brainstem tumor> jun 09 began s/opc 10 ml a day(morning and night)> aug 09 mri preformed, stable "tumor"> sep 09 switched from s/opc to oleander capsules from utopia silver,> nov 09 tumor progression and csf spread> Im not sure if i mentioned this in my earlier original email, but his> tumor is not only back, its larger than it was to begin with. So if i did> something different it was switch from s/opc to pure oleander which was in> Sep, first mri since switching, progression, spread? Any thoughts?> > Rhonda> > 2009/12/3 Bob Banever bbanever > >> >> > Tony,> >> > The suggestion of medical marijuana was mine, but in fact I did not> > suggest smoking it. It must be made into an "oil" (more like a paste) and> > ingested in order for the boy to get enough theraputically. It isn't being> > given to increase his appetite (although that would happen as a side> > effect), it is being given to effect a cure of the cancer. Anyway, the> > decision is the family's and since I read that the tumors were returning I> > thought it would be a good alternative to explore.> >> > Bob> >> > -> > ** > *To:* oleander soup > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:40 PM> > *Subject:* Re: Reids MRI> >> > Steve,> >> > I hear ya. Personally I would tie my child up and force them to take what> > I thought would best have a chance at saving them, but of course I would> > want to explore other alternatives and at some point I would have to find> > the best way of impressing upon them that they had a bit of a special> > problem that required some special actions without unduly frightening them.> >> > I think your suggestion for marijuana is an excellent one. Given the way> > it increases appetite it might even help them get some disquised smoothies> > and such down better (just watch the sugar content).> >> > All the best,> >> > Tony> >> >> > oleander soup , "Norton, Steve" stephen.norton@> > wrote:> > >> > > Tony,> > >> > >> > >> > > I understand what you are saying and I do not disagree with what you are> > > saying, but as a father of 3, one still 11 years old, I KNOW the> > > difficulty of trying to get a child to take pills or medicine. I> > > honestly don't think it would be possible to get my 11 YO to take a lot> > > of pills short of tying her up and force feeding her. And if there were> > > real alternatives that alleviated that problem, I would want to know> > > about and consider them. Of course, I would also consider hiding the> > > medicine in fruit smoothies as others have suggested in the past.> > >> > > That said, I really hesitated to post the information because I do have> > > confidence in Oleander. But as you know, brain cancer is one of the more> > > difficult cancers and there are few good alternatives.> > >> > > It is hard to know when to withhold information that you think might> > > help. A misstep can cost a precious life. I don't envy you or .> > > However, I do wonder how is my suggestion is so different from another's> > > suggestion to try medical marijuana?> > >> > >> > >> > > Best Regards,> > >> > > Steve> >> > > >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 4, 2009 Hi Rhonda, I totally understand what you mean. I am in the same position with my partner and I keep saying to him things like it doesn't matter how bad it tastes if it can save your life it is worth it. Most of the time that doesn't work and he doesn't take it anyway. I guess what I am trying to say is that I am dealing with an adult and that is so difficult that I cannot imagine trying to do the same thing with a child. I have frequently thought the same as yourself - what if it doesn't work and I have spent the last few weeks, months, years of his life trying to force him to take stuff that he does not like. But then again if it does work.......... I think to myself if I was in that position I would take and do everything possible but I guess it is easy to say when you are not in that position. Anyway, I hope things work out for you and Reid. Marie oleander soup , dipghater wrote: > > Tony, im not offended at all not in the least bit! I discontinued the other pills bc of his headaches and only just this week. But today at the suggestion of a pesky persistent group memeber :-). (You). I have forced him to continue with the rest of the pills. Just monday Reids great grandpa died and was VERY emotional about this telling me that he never wanted to die. I find the prospect of tellin him that this is the possibility if he does not take these pills or eat these items nauseating, bc what if none of it woeks anyway, what do i say to my boy as he struggles with life when he says " but mom i took the pills and ate the yucky stuff like you told me too " . Sigh > Rhonda > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® > > > "" > Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:56:53 > <oleander soup > > Re: Reids MRI > > > Rhonda - > > I hope you realize that in no way do I intend to offend and I am quite > sensitive to the fact that no one knows your child better than you do. > Likewise in no way am I questioning your concern or dedication to > helping your son beat his cancer - and I am hoping that you look past > any suppositions offered up out of concern and find useful suggestions > to consider. > > While I am not literally recommending that you tie your own son up and > force feed him, I will nevertheless say what I would do if it were me > and my own child - and that would be to see to it one way or another > that he would by golly take what I thought gave him his best chances > whether he liked it or not. > > If it came down to him having an attitude and surviving versus him > eating only what he accepts and not making it, I wouldn't even blink at > such a choice. I apologize if you find that offensive - consider it > tough love for one of my group family members if you will - but again I > am simply trying to do what I always try to do here - give the best > information and suggestions I know to try to help. I would feel remiss > if I did anything less. > > Also, in your initial post about Reid's latest tests you said that you > had discontinued some items and so I would say that it is not only the > change from oleander with 80% sutherlandia to 100% oleander that is > different. If it were me personally, I would probably switch back to > the SOPC simply because it had been working - even though I find it hard > to figure out why that might be the case and Marc himself has stated > that he feels that oleander is by far the most important part of SOPC > when it comes to cancer. Sutherlandia frutescens is known as the South > Africa Cancer Bush though - so in some instances, who knows? > > All the best, > > > > > oleander soup , rhonda ebrom <dipghater@> wrote: > > > > Damn Bob, and i was about to run out and bake me and Reid some fresh > special > > brownies > > ;-) kidding of course, but i thought it was pretty funny! Im enjoying > the > > banter going back and forth way too much for the situation me and my > son are > > in, apparently im a sadist of sorts! > > I might otherwise be really offended at the mention of tieing a child > > up and force feeding them, forcing them to swallow pills etc. Oddly > enough > > at this point (the sadist comes out in me) im finding this very > comical. I, > > as you and yours, know my child inside and out. DIPG is a horrific > brain > > tumor that consumes the lives of 300 children a year, in the last 30 > years, > > 250 clinical trials have been done, and all have failed. The prognosis > is > > dismal, very dismal. Ok I quit laughing now, on to a more serious type > of > > conversation, I really dont feel as if I should have to defend my > treatment > > plan nor explain the reasoning why it is so, BUT, its no secret, Im > not > > ashamed and I do so freely ONLY because I know that the lot of you are > > concerned for Reids well being! > > Getting Reid to eat ANYTHING mushy, ice cream, mashed taters, yogurt, > > applesause, jello, etc, is imfreakinpossible. As in, aint happening, > aint > > gonna do it, he'll be damned, HA HA and id have a better chance at > becoming > > a tycoon, then i would have getting Reid to eat cottage cheese, much > less > > cottage cheese with flax seed oil in it. Please do not think i haven't > > tried. The boy will eat every fresh fruit under the sun, but make it > mushy, > > smoothie, forget it. Outside of that, i have no problems controlling > what > > he eats. We have really restricted his diet as far as what he is > allowed to > > eat. > > Short timeline of events: > > Feb 09 Reid diagnosed with DIPG > > Feb 09 Reid started radiation therapy > > Apr 09 radiation ended > > May 09 post radiation mri showed complete resolution of brainstem > tumor > > jun 09 began s/opc 10 ml a day(morning and night) > > aug 09 mri preformed, stable " tumor " > > sep 09 switched from s/opc to oleander capsules from utopia silver, > > nov 09 tumor progression and csf spread > > Im not sure if i mentioned this in my earlier original email, but his > > tumor is not only back, its larger than it was to begin with. So if i > did > > something different it was switch from s/opc to pure oleander which > was in > > Sep, first mri since switching, progression, spread? Any thoughts? > > > > Rhonda > > > > 2009/12/3 Bob Banever bbanever@ > > > > > > > > > > > Tony, > > > > > > The suggestion of medical marijuana was mine, but in fact I did not > > > suggest smoking it. It must be made into an " oil " (more like a > paste) and > > > ingested in order for the boy to get enough theraputically. It isn't > being > > > given to increase his appetite (although that would happen as a side > > > effect), it is being given to effect a cure of the cancer. Anyway, > the > > > decision is the family's and since I read that the tumors were > returning I > > > thought it would be a good alternative to explore. > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > - > > > **@ > > > *To:* oleander soup > > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:40 PM > > > *Subject:* Re: Reids MRI > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > I hear ya. Personally I would tie my child up and force them to take > what > > > I thought would best have a chance at saving them, but of course I > would > > > want to explore other alternatives and at some point I would have to > find > > > the best way of impressing upon them that they had a bit of a > special > > > problem that required some special actions without unduly > frightening them. > > > > > > I think your suggestion for marijuana is an excellent one. Given the > way > > > it increases appetite it might even help them get some disquised > smoothies > > > and such down better (just watch the sugar content). > > > > > > All the best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " Norton, Steve " stephen.norton@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Tony, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand what you are saying and I do not disagree with what > you are > > > > saying, but as a father of 3, one still 11 years old, I KNOW the > > > > difficulty of trying to get a child to take pills or medicine. I > > > > honestly don't think it would be possible to get my 11 YO to take > a lot > > > > of pills short of tying her up and force feeding her. And if there > were > > > > real alternatives that alleviated that problem, I would want to > know > > > > about and consider them. Of course, I would also consider hiding > the > > > > medicine in fruit smoothies as others have suggested in the past. > > > > > > > > That said, I really hesitated to post the information because I do > have > > > > confidence in Oleander. But as you know, brain cancer is one of > the more > > > > difficult cancers and there are few good alternatives. > > > > > > > > It is hard to know when to withhold information that you think > might > > > > help. A misstep can cost a precious life. I don't envy you or > . > > > > However, I do wonder how is my suggestion is so different from > another's > > > > suggestion to try medical marijuana? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 4, 2009 Rhonda, as a mother, my heart goes out to your dilemma. Maybe, using psychology, there is a non-threatening way to impress upon him that it is imperative that he follow the protocol to get well. Of course, after having gone through the traumatic event of losing his grandpa and fearing death, not mentioning this possibility. Just that he's sicker than he realizes and that he has got to do this to get well.The Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol is over 90% effective when it comes to all types of cancer and Oleander is very effective against brain cancer as it passes the blood brain barrier. But one cannot take shorcuts, one cannot turn their back for one minute, because cancer will take that opportunity to rear its ugly head. One must use every single bullet in one's aresenal while waging that war.Believe me, my prayers are with you and Reid. Many hugs,oleander soup , dipghater wrote:>> Tony, im not offended at all not in the least bit! I discontinued the other pills bc of his headaches and only just this week. But today at the suggestion of a pesky persistent group memeber :-). (You). I have forced him to continue with the rest of the pills. Just monday Reids great grandpa died and was VERY emotional about this telling me that he never wanted to die. I find the prospect of tellin him that this is the possibility if he does not take these pills or eat these items nauseating, bc what if none of it woeks anyway, what do i say to my boy as he struggles with life when he says "but mom i took the pills and ate the yucky stuff like you told me too". Sigh > Rhonda > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 4, 2009 Hi Dear, This may be a long shot, but there are a few which may still cancel the cancer. Look up Robert Beck's silver pulser and most of all his magnetic pulser from SOTA Instruments. I have no personal experience, but R. Beck's lecture is so convincing, that I have actually ordered his devices this Monday to test. Legal so far in North America. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3383948315844437935# http://www.sotainstruments.com/ Next best and a somewhat far shot is probably Rick Simpson and HIS hemp oil cure. Again, I can't vouch for it personally, but so far the story is very good and Rick definitely does not appear like a con, I am actually personally absolutely sure he is not. It is illegal in all but thirteen states US, Illegal in Canada, but it is your boy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysdaDhM9rfA & feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGhpVzN0ik8 & feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9NN98CuFGA & feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn6XIG_oxUM & feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73VKN2zMFmc & feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Idhk1E1PCaE & feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI2VT2kOfnM & feature=related http://www.phoenixtears.ca/ And no, I am selling neither the Sota [Rob Beck] gismos, nor the hemp oil. With kind regards, Slavek dipghater wrote: > > Hello all, > My son Reid had his mri on monday and tuesday we found out that his brainstem tumor that had previously shrunken quite a bit, is back, and he now has brain mets. We didnt follow all of the suggested protocol bc its really hard to get a 7 yo to take so many pills and eat so many different things. He has been takin Oleander since june, ip6 inostitol and NAC. I have cuit back to just the Oleander. He started having headaches again last saturday after our week long trip to colorado. I just wanted to let yall know. May peace and blessings be with you all this holiday season. > Love always > Rhonda m/o Reid 7 DIPG > www.caringbridge.org/reidebrom > Its not updated but will do so soon. Please keep my boy in your thoughts and prayers as he suffers thru this pain. :-( > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® > > --- > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 4, 2009 , And THAT is why i love and adore each and every one of you in this group, honor and cherish your words and heartfelt honesty! RhondaSent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® " M" <luellamay129Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:25:21 -0000<oleander soup > Re: Reids MRI Rhonda, as a mother, my heart goes out to your dilemma. Maybe, using psychology, there is a non-threatening way to impress upon him that it is imperative that he follow the protocol to get well. Of course, after having gone through the traumatic event of losing his grandpa and fearing death, not mentioning this possibility. Just that he's sicker than he realizes and that he has got to do this to get well.The Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol is over 90% effective when it comes to all types of cancer and Oleander is very effective against brain cancer as it passes the blood brain barrier. But one cannot take shorcuts, one cannot turn their back for one minute, because cancer will take that opportunity to rear its ugly head. One must use every single bullet in one's aresenal while waging that war.Believe me, my prayers are with you and Reid. Many hugs,oleander soup , dipghater wrote:>> Tony, im not offended at all not in the least bit! I discontinued the other pills bc of his headaches and only just this week. But today at the suggestion of a pesky persistent group memeber :-). (You). I have forced him to continue with the rest of the pills. Just monday Reids great grandpa died and was VERY emotional about this telling me that he never wanted to die. I find the prospect of tellin him that this is the possibility if he does not take these pills or eat these items nauseating, bc what if none of it woeks anyway, what do i say to my boy as he struggles with life when he says "but mom i took the pills and ate the yucky stuff like you told me too". Sigh > Rhonda> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 4, 2009 Rhonda - I am so relieved that you take no offense! What you do if worse comes to worse, and we pray that it does not, is know in your heart that you did all you could to give him the best chance possible. I know there would be a tendency to look back and think that it didn't really matter and that he could have at least enjoyed eating as he pleased, but I just don't accept considering negative outcomes as an influencing fact. And just look - something was working for awhile and that alone should give hope that with perhaps a few additions and perhaps a bit more oleander it might work again. Think also of all the horrific side effects that others put up with even when there is virtually zero success against difficult cancers with chemo and radiation. You sound like an awesome mom. All my best and my prayers too, oleander soup , dipghater wrote:>> Tony, im not offended at all not in the least bit! I discontinued the other pills bc of his headaches and only just this week. But today at the suggestion of a pesky persistent group memeber :-). (You). I have forced him to continue with the rest of the pills. Just monday Reids great grandpa died and was VERY emotional about this telling me that he never wanted to die. I find the prospect of tellin him that this is the possibility if he does not take these pills or eat these items nauseating, bc what if none of it woeks anyway, what do i say to my boy as he struggles with life when he says "but mom i took the pills and ate the yucky stuff like you told me too". Sigh > Rhonda > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 4, 2009 We are here for you Rhonda, in every way possible.Hugs,oleander soup , dipghater wrote:>> , > And THAT is why i love and adore each and every one of you in this group, honor and cherish your words and heartfelt honesty! > Rhonda > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 4, 2009 LOL. Well I hope you're getting a little relief anyway. Enjoy. Bob - dipghater oleander soup Thursday, December 03, 2009 4:41 PM Re: Re: Reids MRI I hate to say it but i do have a mental image of my 7 yo sittin on the back porch smokin a dobie! Inappropriate i know but really you have no idea how free i feel actually being able to smirk and laugh a little. Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® "TonyI" Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:31:04 -0000 <oleander soup > Re: Reids MRI Bob - Yes, I thought you were suggesting it to help with curing the cancer as well as with the swelling and headaches. I didn't suggest smoking it either. All the best, oleander soup , "Bob Banever" <bbanever wrote:>> Tony,> > The suggestion of medical marijuana was mine, but in fact I did not suggest smoking it. It must be made into an "oil" (more like a paste) and ingested in order for the boy to get enough theraputically. It isn't being given to increase his appetite (although that would happen as a side effect), it is being given to effect a cure of the cancer. Anyway, the decision is the family's and since I read that the tumors were returning I thought it would be a good alternative to explore.> > Bob> - >> oleander soup > Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:40 PM> Re: Reids MRI> > > > > > Steve,> > I hear ya. Personally I would tie my child up and force them to take what I thought would best have a chance at saving them, but of course I would want to explore other alternatives and at some point I would have to find the best way of impressing upon them that they had a bit of a special problem that required some special actions without unduly frightening them.> > I think your suggestion for marijuana is an excellent one. Given the way it increases appetite it might even help them get some disquised smoothies and such down better (just watch the sugar content).> > All the best,> > Tony> > > oleander soup , "Norton, Steve" stephen.norton@ wrote:> >> > Tony,> > > > > > > > I understand what you are saying and I do not disagree with what you are> > saying, but as a father of 3, one still 11 years old, I KNOW the> > difficulty of trying to get a child to take pills or medicine. I> > honestly don't think it would be possible to get my 11 YO to take a lot> > of pills short of tying her up and force feeding her. And if there were> > real alternatives that alleviated that problem, I would want to know> > about and consider them. Of course, I would also consider hiding the> > medicine in fruit smoothies as others have suggested in the past. > > > > That said, I really hesitated to post the information because I do have> > confidence in Oleander. But as you know, brain cancer is one of the more> > difficult cancers and there are few good alternatives. > > > > It is hard to know when to withhold information that you think might> > help. A misstep can cost a precious life. I don't envy you or .> > However, I do wonder how is my suggestion is so different from another's> > suggestion to try medical marijuana?> > > > > > > > Best Regards,> > > > Steve> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 4, 2009 Hi Cypriano, 1) Hemp has been historically the best raw and renewable source of paper fibber of better quality than tree pulp. OUTLAWED! 2) Hemp has been historically the best natural fibber for rope making and cloth reinforcement fibber. OUTLAWED!! 3) Hemp has been historically an excellent source of nutrition for its seed. OUTLAWED!!! 4) Hemp has been historically a source of one of the best natural pain killers which did not create dependency, better pain killers than morphine etc. OUTLAWED!!!! 5) Hemp oil has been historically a very valuable medical herb and not so long historically proven cancer fighter with US government holding a patent to this particular property of medical hemp. OUTLAWED!!!!! With kind regards, Slavek. showard208 wrote: > > > > http://www.phoenixtears.ca/ > > Watch the video " Run From the Cure " > > > Cypriano Aguerria <caguerria > oleander soup > Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:39 pm > RE: Re: Reids MRI > > > Hello, I am shocked to read this E-Mail, please point me to the > scientific evidence that MJ IS A POTENTIAL CURE FOR CANCER. I am open > to any protocol that has legitimate science history. I know that I > will get a lot of negative feedback ,but we must use the common sense > that GOD has given to us. > > Sincerley, > Cypriano Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 4, 2009 I had a similar problem with my wife- she was able to take less and less pills. I have close by an old-style pharmacist who stocks many of the recommended 'alternative' cancer treatments. He was able to take some of the medicines that she took in capsules and turn them into liquid drops. He could not do this for all she was taking as he said some of them would lose effectiveness in liquid (concentrated drops) form. As she had liver problems there was also the problem that the drops were alcohol based- solution was to put the drops in a small amount of hot water to release the alcohol. Good luck and good health Jeremy oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of Norton, Steve Thursday, December 03, 2009 8:53 PM oleander soup RE: Re: Reids MRI Tony, I understand what you are saying and I do not disagree with what you are saying, but as a father of 3, one still 11 years old, I KNOW the difficulty of trying to get a child to take pills or medicine. I honestly don’t think it would be possible to get my 11 YO to take a lot of pills short of tying her up and force feeding her. And if there were real alternatives that alleviated that problem, I would want to know about and consider them. Of course, I would also consider hiding the medicine in fruit smoothies as others have suggested in the past. That said, I really hesitated to post the information because I do have confidence in Oleander. But as you know, brain cancer is one of the more difficult cancers and there are few good alternatives. It is hard to know when to withhold information that you think might help. A misstep can cost a precious life. I don’t envy you or . However, I do wonder how is my suggestion is so different from another’s suggestion to try medical marijuana? Best Regards, Steve oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of TonyI Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:11 AM oleander soup Re: Reids MRI Steve, I may be wrong here, but I get the sense that something was working initially and now whatever is being done in limited fashion is not working as well. On the one hand, I get the idea that perhaps some of the elements used at first have been dropped and perhaps also that the amount of oleander might be lower than optimum. On the other, and I should have said this earlier, the fact that they boy's cancer has been kept from him is understandable but I fear that it may also mean that he is being allowed to proceed as many children do with sugar, fast foods, processed foods, etc. which are all detrimental in trying to save his life. It is a quandry I would hate to face, but if I did I would not hesitate to somehow impress upon the very young man that it is imperative that he eat and take what he needs. I don't like to second guess anyone's good intentions when it comes to a child or loved one, but sometimes good intentions and wishes may get in the way of taking tough action needed for a chance of success. All the best, oleander soup , " Norton, Steve " <stephen.norton wrote: > > Rhonda, > > I am so sorry to hear of the continuing difficulties your young son is > having. I do not believe that enough time has passed to determine if > Oleander is not working or not and frequent changes of treatment methods > cannot be good, but combining compatible treatments can often increase > success. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 4, 2009 I think it was Hippocrates that said your food is your medicine, and your medicine is your food. They need to know that the Budwig and the juices and the pills is their medicine, and if they want to get better, they have to take it. I didn't present it this way soon enough, and I think it is a major reason I lost my battle. Ted--- On Thu, 12/3/09, infomcf <infomcf wrote: infomcf <infomcf Re: Reids MRIoleander soup Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 8:23 PM Hi Rhonda,I totally understand what you mean. I am in the same position with my partner and I keep saying to him things like it doesn't matter how bad it tastes if it can save your life it is worth it. Most of the time that doesn't work and he doesn't take it anyway. I guess what I am trying to say is that I am dealing with an adult and that is so difficult that I cannot imagine trying to do the same thing with a child.I have frequently thought the same as yourself - what if it doesn't work and I have spent the last few weeks, months, years of his life trying to force him to take stuff that he does not like. But then again if it does work........ ..I think to myself if I was in that position I would take and do everything possible but I guess it is easy to say when you are not in that position.Anyway, I hope things work out for you and Reid.Marieoleander soup, dipghater@.. . wrote:>> Tony, im not offended at all not in the least bit! I discontinued the other pills bc of his headaches and only just this week. But today at the suggestion of a pesky persistent group memeber :-). (You). I have forced him to continue with the rest of the pills. Just monday Reids great grandpa died and was VERY emotional about this telling me that he never wanted to die. I find the prospect of tellin him that this is the possibility if he does not take these pills or eat these items nauseating, bc what if none of it woeks anyway, what do i say to my boy as he struggles with life when he says "but mom i took the pills and ate the yucky stuff like you told me too". Sigh > Rhonda> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®> > > "TonyI" @. ..>> Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:56:53 > <oleander soup>> Re: Reids MRI> > > Rhonda -> > I hope you realize that in no way do I intend to offend and I am quite> sensitive to the fact that no one knows your child better than you do. > Likewise in no way am I questioning your concern or dedication to> helping your son beat his cancer - and I am hoping that you look past> any suppositions offered up out of concern and find useful suggestions> to consider.> > While I am not literally recommending that you tie your own son up and> force feed him, I will nevertheless say what I would do if it were me> and my own child - and that would be to see to it one way or another> that he would by golly take what I thought gave him his best chances> whether he liked it or not.> > If it came down to him having an attitude and surviving versus him> eating only what he accepts and not making it, I wouldn't even blink at> such a choice. I apologize if you find that offensive - consider it> tough love for one of my group family members if you will - but again I> am simply trying to do what I always try to do here - give the best> information and suggestions I know to try to help. I would feel remiss> if I did anything less.> > Also, in your initial post about Reid's latest tests you said that you> had discontinued some items and so I would say that it is not only the> change from oleander with 80% sutherlandia to 100% oleander that is> different. If it were me personally, I would probably switch back to> the SOPC simply because it had been working - even though I find it hard> to figure out why that might be the case and Marc himself has stated> that he feels that oleander is by far the most important part of SOPC> when it comes to cancer. Sutherlandia frutescens is known as the South> Africa Cancer Bush though - so in some instances, who knows?> > All the best,> > Tony> > > oleander soup, rhonda ebrom <dipghater@> wrote:> >> > Damn Bob, and i was about to run out and bake me and Reid some fresh> special> > brownies> > ;-) kidding of course, but i thought it was pretty funny! Im enjoying> the> > banter going back and forth way too much for the situation me and my> son are> > in, apparently im a sadist of sorts!> > I might otherwise be really offended at the mention of tieing a child> > up and force feeding them, forcing them to swallow pills etc. Oddly> enough> > at this point (the sadist comes out in me) im finding this very> comical. I,> > as you and yours, know my child inside and out. DIPG is a horrific> brain> > tumor that consumes the lives of 300 children a year, in the last 30> years,> > 250 clinical trials have been done, and all have failed. The prognosis> is> > dismal, very dismal. Ok I quit laughing now, on to a more serious type> of> > conversation, I really dont feel as if I should have to defend my> treatment> > plan nor explain the reasoning why it is so, BUT, its no secret, Im> not> > ashamed and I do so freely ONLY because I know that the lot of you are> > concerned for Reids well being!> > Getting Reid to eat ANYTHING mushy, ice cream, mashed taters, yogurt,> > applesause, jello, etc, is imfreakinpossible. As in, aint happening,> aint> > gonna do it, he'll be damned, HA HA and id have a better chance at> becoming> > a tycoon, then i would have getting Reid to eat cottage cheese, much> less> > cottage cheese with flax seed oil in it. Please do not think i haven't> > tried. The boy will eat every fresh fruit under the sun, but make it> mushy,> > smoothie, forget it. Outside of that, i have no problems controlling> what> > he eats. We have really restricted his diet as far as what he is> allowed to> > eat.> > Short timeline of events:> > Feb 09 Reid diagnosed with DIPG> > Feb 09 Reid started radiation therapy> > Apr 09 radiation ended> > May 09 post radiation mri showed complete resolution of brainstem> tumor> > jun 09 began s/opc 10 ml a day(morning and night)> > aug 09 mri preformed, stable "tumor"> > sep 09 switched from s/opc to oleander capsules from utopia silver,> > nov 09 tumor progression and csf spread> > Im not sure if i mentioned this in my earlier original email, but his> > tumor is not only back, its larger than it was to begin with. So if i> did> > something different it was switch from s/opc to pure oleander which> was in> > Sep, first mri since switching, progression, spread? Any thoughts?> >> > Rhonda> >> > 2009/12/3 Bob Banever bbanever@> >> > >> > >> > > Tony,> > >> > > The suggestion of medical marijuana was mine, but in fact I did not> > > suggest smoking it. It must be made into an "oil" (more like a> paste) and> > > ingested in order for the boy to get enough theraputically. It isn't> being> > > given to increase his appetite (although that would happen as a side> > > effect), it is being given to effect a cure of the cancer. Anyway,> the> > > decision is the family's and since I read that the tumors were> returning I> > > thought it would be a good alternative to explore.> > >> > > Bob> > >> > > -> > > **@> > > *To:* oleander soup> > > *Sent:* Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:40 PM> > > *Subject:* Re: Reids MRI> > >> > > Steve,> > >> > > I hear ya. Personally I would tie my child up and force them to take> what> > > I thought would best have a chance at saving them, but of course I> would> > > want to explore other alternatives and at some point I would have to> find> > > the best way of impressing upon them that they had a bit of a> special> > > problem that required some special actions without unduly> frightening them.> > >> > > I think your suggestion for marijuana is an excellent one. Given the> way> > > it increases appetite it might even help them get some disquised> smoothies> > > and such down better (just watch the sugar content).> > >> > > All the best,> > >> > > Tony> > >> > >> > > oleander soup, "Norton, Steve" stephen.norton@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Tony,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I understand what you are saying and I do not disagree with what> you are> > > > saying, but as a father of 3, one still 11 years old, I KNOW the> > > > difficulty of trying to get a child to take pills or medicine. I> > > > honestly don't think it would be possible to get my 11 YO to take> a lot> > > > of pills short of tying her up and force feeding her. And if there> were> > > > real alternatives that alleviated that problem, I would want to> know> > > > about and consider them. Of course, I would also consider hiding> the> > > > medicine in fruit smoothies as others have suggested in the past.> > > >> > > > That said, I really hesitated to post the information because I do> have> > > > confidence in Oleander. But as you know, brain cancer is one of> the more> > > > difficult cancers and there are few good alternatives.> > > >> > > > It is hard to know when to withhold information that you think> might> > > > help. A misstep can cost a precious life. I don't envy you or> .> > > > However, I do wonder how is my suggestion is so different from> another's> > > > suggestion to try medical marijuana?> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Best Regards,> > > >> > > > Steve> > >> > >> > >> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 4, 2009 I agree with you there Ted. I am succeeding in my fight with cancer. When I first started introducing all kinds of nasty tasting things my husband really fought me on it. He was a pizza 3x a week kind of guy before I married him. Initially my husband didn't want a bar of what I was doing. However now he no longer has migraines, his severe constipation is a thing of the past and the debilitating arthritic pain he was feeling in all of his joints daily are gone. Needless to say, my husband eats pretty much all I give him. He complains, but he is smiling. I know I am blessed and I am very grateful. Marie and Rhonda, I know it is hard to convince Malcolm and Reid to eat the oftentimes icky tasting food. Sure, all of this stuff may not work for you, but I can tell you that the alternative isn't any better. Chemo etc MIGHT buy you time, but it really won't make you feel heal though. My thoughts and prayers are with you both.Eva.--- On Fri, 12/4/09, TED SANFORD <tedsanford wrote:TED SANFORD <tedsanfordRe: Re: Reids MRIoleander soup Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 5:19 AM I think it was Hippocrates that said your food is your medicine, and your medicine is your food. They need to know that the Budwig and the juices and the pills is their medicine, and if they want to get better, they have to take it. I didn't present it this way soon enough, and I think it is a major reason I lost my battle. Ted Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 4, 2009 In a message dated 12/3/2009 7:14:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, dipghater writes: I find the prospect of tellin him that this is the possibility if he does not take these pills or eat these items nauseating, bc what if none of it woeks anyway, what do i say to my boy as he struggles with life when he says "but mom i took the pills and ate the yucky stuff like you told me too". Sigh Rhonda _________________ Rhonda, stop thinking about the possibility of failure and do think about the journey to health. Children have an amazing way of dealing with things, psychologically and physiologically Healing comes from God really. I have a feeling that Reid can understand that the pills and yucky stuff are for ultimate good. When he takes the "yucky stuff", he could be thinking about healing. It's a discipline of a kind. You and Reid are in my prayers. Terri Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 4, 2009 Bob's right! Thank God for very strong cannabis! It works!--- On Thu, 12/3/09, Bob Banever <bbanever wrote: Bob Banever <bbaneverRe: Re: Reids MRIoleander soup Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 6:13 PM Cypriano, Here are a few of several dozen studies showing cannabinoids cure cancer. http://www.nowpubli c.com/thc_ marijuana_ helps_cure_ cancer_says_ harvard_study http://www.alternet .org/drugreporte r/20008/ Specific for brain cancer. http://www.alternet .org/drugreporte r/20008/ http://health. usnews.com/ articles/ health/healthday /2009/04/ 01/active- ingredient- in-marijuana- kills-brain- cancer.html There are dozens of others, but you can go to phoenixtears. ca for even more info. Bob - Cypriano Aguerria oleander soup Thursday, December 03, 2009 2:39 PM RE: Re: Reids MRI Hello, I am shocked to read this E-Mail, please point me to the scientific evidence that MJ IS A POTENTIAL CURE FOR CANCER. I am open to any protocol that has legitimate science history. I know that I will get a lot of negative feedback ,but we must use the common sense that GOD has given to us. Sincerley,Cypriano oleander soupbbanever (AT) earthlink (DOT) netThu, 3 Dec 2009 14:33:27 -0800Re: Re: Reids MRI Tony, The suggestion of medical marijuana was mine, but in fact I did not suggest smoking it. It must be made into an "oil" (more like a paste) and ingested in order for the boy to get enough theraputically. It isn't being given to increase his appetite (although that would happen as a side effect), it is being given to effect a cure of the cancer. Anyway, the decision is the family's and since I read that the tumors were returning I thought it would be a good alternative to explore. Bob - TonyI oleander soup Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:40 PM Re: Reids MRI Steve,I hear ya. Personally I would tie my child up and force them to take what I thought would best have a chance at saving them, but of course I would want to explore other alternatives and at some point I would have to find the best way of impressing upon them that they had a bit of a special problem that required some special actions without unduly frightening them.I think your suggestion for marijuana is an excellent one. Given the way it increases appetite it might even help them get some disquised smoothies and such down better (just watch the sugar content).All the best,Tonyoleander soup, "Norton, Steve" <stephen.norton@ ...> wrote:>> Tony,> > > > I understand what you are saying and I do not disagree with what you are> saying, but as a father of 3, one still 11 years old, I KNOW the> difficulty of trying to get a child to take pills or medicine. I> honestly don't think it would be possible to get my 11 YO to take a lot> of pills short of tying her up and force feeding her. And if there were> real alternatives that alleviated that problem, I would want to know> about and consider them. Of course, I would also consider hiding the> medicine in fruit smoothies as others have suggested in the past. > > That said, I really hesitated to post the information because I do have> confidence in Oleander. But as you know, brain cancer is one of the more> difficult cancers and there are few good alternatives. > > It is hard to know when to withhold information that you think might> help. A misstep can cost a precious life. I don't envy you or .> However, I do wonder how is my suggestion is so different from another's> suggestion to try medical marijuana?> > > > Best Regards,> > Steve Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 4, 2009 Cypriano, Don't worry, none of the research is sponsored by big pharma to my knowledge. Why would they, cannabis oil cannot be patented as it is a natural extract from the hemp plant. All work synergestically together. When one so called active ingredient is separated out, such as THC, the effect is different. THC alone is not as effective as the entire spectrum of cannabinoids working together. Bob - Cypriano Aguerria oleander soup Thursday, December 03, 2009 3:33 PM RE: Re: Reids MRI Thank you for the info. The words used in the studies like suggests and appears leaves me with a lot of questions. I always question the authority of the study. I will dig deeper into the work and I hope not to find that it is not being sponsored by some pharmaceutical company.Sincerely, Cypriano oleander soup From: bbaneverDate: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:13:06 -0800Re: Re: Reids MRI Cypriano, Here are a few of several dozen studies showing cannabinoids cure cancer. http://www.nowpublic.com/thc_marijuana_helps_cure_cancer_says_harvard_study http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/20008/ Specific for brain cancer. http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/20008/ http://health.usnews.com/articles/health/healthday/2009/04/01/active-ingredient-in-marijuana-kills-brain-cancer.html There are dozens of others, but you can go to phoenixtears.ca for even more info. Bob - Cypriano Aguerria oleander soup Thursday, December 03, 2009 2:39 PM RE: Re: Reids MRI Hello, I am shocked to read this E-Mail, please point me to the scientific evidence that MJ IS A POTENTIAL CURE FOR CANCER. I am open to any protocol that has legitimate science history. I know that I will get a lot of negative feedback ,but we must use the common sense that GOD has given to us. Sincerley,Cypriano oleander soup From: bbanever (AT) earthlink (DOT) netDate: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:33:27 -0800Re: Re: Reids MRI Tony, The suggestion of medical marijuana was mine, but in fact I did not suggest smoking it. It must be made into an "oil" (more like a paste) and ingested in order for the boy to get enough theraputically. It isn't being given to increase his appetite (although that would happen as a side effect), it is being given to effect a cure of the cancer. Anyway, the decision is the family's and since I read that the tumors were returning I thought it would be a good alternative to explore. Bob - TonyI oleander soup Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:40 PM Re: Reids MRI Steve,I hear ya. Personally I would tie my child up and force them to take what I thought would best have a chance at saving them, but of course I would want to explore other alternatives and at some point I would have to find the best way of impressing upon them that they had a bit of a special problem that required some special actions without unduly frightening them.I think your suggestion for marijuana is an excellent one. Given the way it increases appetite it might even help them get some disquised smoothies and such down better (just watch the sugar content).All the best,Tonyoleander soup , "Norton, Steve" <stephen.norton wrote:>> Tony,> > > > I understand what you are saying and I do not disagree with what you are> saying, but as a father of 3, one still 11 years old, I KNOW the> difficulty of trying to get a child to take pills or medicine. I> honestly don't think it would be possible to get my 11 YO to take a lot> of pills short of tying her up and force feeding her. And if there were> real alternatives that alleviated that problem, I would want to know> about and consider them. Of course, I would also consider hiding the> medicine in fruit smoothies as others have suggested in the past. > > That said, I really hesitated to post the information because I do have> confidence in Oleander. But as you know, brain cancer is one of the more> difficult cancers and there are few good alternatives. > > It is hard to know when to withhold information that you think might> help. A misstep can cost a precious life. I don't envy you or .> However, I do wonder how is my suggestion is so different from another's> suggestion to try medical marijuana?> > > > Best Regards,> > Steve Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 4, 2009 Cypriano, If you want very specific and scientific studies, go here http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=search & db=pubmed & term=Guzman%20M%5Bau%5D & dispmax=50 Search down and you will find several scientific studies regarding cannabinoids and their effects on the body, cancer, etc. - Cypriano Aguerria oleander soup Thursday, December 03, 2009 3:10 PM RE: Re: Reids MRI Thank You for pointing me to the website and video. Question? has anyone checked out this man's claims or background? I find no scientific evidence for what is claimed.The fact that that their is none does not make his claim untrue, however when we are helping others,In my opinion we need to look for protocols that have some sciencetific history. Lets not lose our reasoning and common sense. It appears to me that this is another way to legalize the harmful herb. This is one man's opinion, no one has the all knowing cure or knowledge. We should look to the things that help, until we have some better protocol. Sincerely, Cypriano oleander soup From: showard208Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:52:42 -0500Re: Re: Reids MRI http://www.phoenixtears.ca/Watch the video "Run From the Cure" Cypriano Aguerria <caguerria (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>oleander soup Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:39 pmRE: Re: Reids MRI Hello, I am shocked to read this E-Mail, please point me to the scientific evidence that MJ IS A POTENTIAL CURE FOR CANCER. I am open to any protocol that has legitimate science history. I know that I will get a lot of negative feedback ,but we must use the common sense that GOD has given to us. Sincerley,Cypriano oleander soup From: bbanever (AT) earthlink (DOT) netDate: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:33:27 -0800Re: Re: Reids MRI Tony, The suggestion of medical marijuana was mine, but in fact I did not suggest smoking it. It must be made into an "oil" (more like a paste) and ingested in order for the boy to get enough theraputically. It isn't being given to increase his appetite (although that would happen as a side effect), it is being given to effect a cure of the cancer. Anyway, the decision is the family's and since I read that the tumors were returning I thought it would be a good alternative to explore. Bob - TonyI oleander soup Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:40 PM Re: Reids MRI Steve,I hear ya. Personally I would tie my child up and force them to take what I thought would best have a chance at saving them, but of course I would want to explore other alternatives and at some point I would have to find the best way of impressing upon them that they had a bit of a special problem that required some special actions without unduly frightening them.I think your suggestion for marijuana is an excellent one. Given the way it increases appetite it might even help them get some disquised smoothies and such down better (just watch the sugar content).All the best,Tonyoleander soup , "Norton, Steve" <stephen.norton wrote:>> Tony,> > > > I understand what you are saying and I do not disagree with what you are> saying, but as a father of 3, one still 11 years old, I KNOW the> difficulty of trying to get a child to take pills or medicine. I> honestly don't think it would be possible to get my 11 YO to take a lot> of pills short of tying her up and force feeding her. And if there were> real alternatives that alleviated that problem, I would want to know> about and consider them. Of course, I would also consider hiding the> medicine in fruit smoothies as others have suggested in the past. > > That said, I really hesitated to post the information because I do have> confidence in Oleander. But as you know, brain cancer is one of the more> difficult cancers and there are few good alternatives. > > It is hard to know when to withhold information that you think might> help. A misstep can cost a precious life. I don't envy you or .> However, I do wonder how is my suggestion is so different from another's> suggestion to try medical marijuana?> > > > Best Regards,> > Steve Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 4, 2009 Cypriano, BTW, there is nothing harmful about the herb. It is possibly the least toxic of any plant on earth. Of course, when you burn something (anything, including meat while cooking) you generate certain carcinogenic substances. One does not have to smoke it to extract the active substances. It can be ingested in a number of ways and even inhaled through a vaporizer. Hope this helps. Bob - Cypriano Aguerria oleander soup Thursday, December 03, 2009 3:10 PM RE: Re: Reids MRI Thank You for pointing me to the website and video. Question? has anyone checked out this man's claims or background? I find no scientific evidence for what is claimed.The fact that that their is none does not make his claim untrue, however when we are helping others,In my opinion we need to look for protocols that have some sciencetific history. Lets not lose our reasoning and common sense. It appears to me that this is another way to legalize the harmful herb. This is one man's opinion, no one has the all knowing cure or knowledge. We should look to the things that help, until we have some better protocol. Sincerely, Cypriano oleander soup From: showard208Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:52:42 -0500Re: Re: Reids MRI http://www.phoenixtears.ca/Watch the video "Run From the Cure" Cypriano Aguerria <caguerria (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>oleander soup Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:39 pmRE: Re: Reids MRI Hello, I am shocked to read this E-Mail, please point me to the scientific evidence that MJ IS A POTENTIAL CURE FOR CANCER. I am open to any protocol that has legitimate science history. I know that I will get a lot of negative feedback ,but we must use the common sense that GOD has given to us. Sincerley,Cypriano oleander soup From: bbanever (AT) earthlink (DOT) netDate: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:33:27 -0800Re: Re: Reids MRI Tony, The suggestion of medical marijuana was mine, but in fact I did not suggest smoking it. It must be made into an "oil" (more like a paste) and ingested in order for the boy to get enough theraputically. It isn't being given to increase his appetite (although that would happen as a side effect), it is being given to effect a cure of the cancer. Anyway, the decision is the family's and since I read that the tumors were returning I thought it would be a good alternative to explore. Bob - TonyI oleander soup Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:40 PM Re: Reids MRI Steve,I hear ya. Personally I would tie my child up and force them to take what I thought would best have a chance at saving them, but of course I would want to explore other alternatives and at some point I would have to find the best way of impressing upon them that they had a bit of a special problem that required some special actions without unduly frightening them.I think your suggestion for marijuana is an excellent one. Given the way it increases appetite it might even help them get some disquised smoothies and such down better (just watch the sugar content).All the best,Tonyoleander soup , "Norton, Steve" <stephen.norton wrote:>> Tony,> > > > I understand what you are saying and I do not disagree with what you are> saying, but as a father of 3, one still 11 years old, I KNOW the> difficulty of trying to get a child to take pills or medicine. I> honestly don't think it would be possible to get my 11 YO to take a lot> of pills short of tying her up and force feeding her. And if there were> real alternatives that alleviated that problem, I would want to know> about and consider them. Of course, I would also consider hiding the> medicine in fruit smoothies as others have suggested in the past. > > That said, I really hesitated to post the information because I do have> confidence in Oleander. But as you know, brain cancer is one of the more> difficult cancers and there are few good alternatives. > > It is hard to know when to withhold information that you think might> help. A misstep can cost a precious life. I don't envy you or .> However, I do wonder how is my suggestion is so different from another's> suggestion to try medical marijuana?> > > > Best Regards,> > Steve Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 4, 2009 Harmful herb? The only reason it's harmful is because of the laws that have been imposed upon it. Hemp seed, for example, and powders, etc. extracted from it have one of the highest plant based protein content. Before my husband died, we tried to keep him on a plant based diet, and hemp products were indispensible, expecially for Omegas and protein. That doesn't even include the active ingriedients (THC) and the Cannabinoids and all the implications with them: Cannabinoids are a group of terpenophenolic compounds present in Cannabis (Cannabis sativa L) and which occur naturally in the nervous and immune systems of animals. The broader definition of cannabinoids refers to a group of substances that are structurally related to tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) or that bind to cannabinoid receptors. The chemical definition encompasses a variety of distinct chemical classes: the classical cannabinoids structurally related to THC, the nonclassical cannabinoids, the aminoalkylindoles, the eicosanoids related to the endocannabinoids, 1,5-diarylpyrazoles, quinolines and arylsulphonamides and additional compounds that do not fall into these standard classes but bind to cannabinoid receptors.[1] The term cannabinoids also refers to a unique group of secondary metabolites found in the cannabis plant, which are responsible for the plant's peculiar pharmacological effects. Currently, there are three general types of cannabinoids: phytocannabinoids occur uniquely in the cannabis plant; endogenous cannabinoids are produced in the bodies of humans and other animals; and synthetic cannabinoids are similar compounds produced in a laboratory. (From Wiki) Alas, the same propaganda tactics directed at natural medicine have been applied to MJ and have worked very well for someone's benefit. Probably to create more government jobs.--- On Fri, 12/4/09, Bob Banever <bbanever wrote: Bob Banever <bbaneverRe: Re: Reids MRIoleander soup Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 6:58 AM Cypriano, BTW, there is nothing harmful about the herb. It is possibly the least toxic of any plant on earth. Of course, when you burn something (anything, including meat while cooking) you generate certain carcinogenic substances. One does not have to smoke it to extract the active substances. It can be ingested in a number of ways and even inhaled through a vaporizer. Hope this helps. Bob - Cypriano Aguerria oleander soup Thursday, December 03, 2009 3:10 PM RE: Re: Reids MRI Thank You for pointing me to the website and video. Question? has anyone checked out this man's claims or background? I find no scientific evidence for what is claimed.The fact that that their is none does not make his claim untrue, however when we are helping others,In my opinion we need to look for protocols that have some sciencetific history. Lets not lose our reasoning and common sense. It appears to me that this is another way to legalize the harmful herb. This is one man's opinion, no one has the all knowing cure or knowledge. We should look to the things that help, until we have some better protocol. Sincerely, Cypriano oleander soupshoward208 (AT) aol (DOT) comThu, 3 Dec 2009 17:52:42 -0500Re: Re: Reids MRI http://www.phoenixt ears.ca/Watch the video "Run From the Cure" Cypriano Aguerria <caguerria (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>oleander soupThu, Dec 3, 2009 4:39 pmRE: Re: Reids MRI Hello, I am shocked to read this E-Mail, please point me to the scientific evidence that MJ IS A POTENTIAL CURE FOR CANCER. I am open to any protocol that has legitimate science history. I know that I will get a lot of negative feedback ,but we must use the common sense that GOD has given to us. Sincerley,Cypriano oleander soupbbanever (AT) earthlink (DOT) netThu, 3 Dec 2009 14:33:27 -0800Re: Re: Reids MRI Tony, The suggestion of medical marijuana was mine, but in fact I did not suggest smoking it. It must be made into an "oil" (more like a paste) and ingested in order for the boy to get enough theraputically. It isn't being given to increase his appetite (although that would happen as a side effect), it is being given to effect a cure of the cancer. Anyway, the decision is the family's and since I read that the tumors were returning I thought it would be a good alternative to explore. Bob - TonyI oleander soup Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:40 PM Re: Reids MRI Steve,I hear ya. Personally I would tie my child up and force them to take what I thought would best have a chance at saving them, but of course I would want to explore other alternatives and at some point I would have to find the best way of impressing upon them that they had a bit of a special problem that required some special actions without unduly frightening them.I think your suggestion for marijuana is an excellent one. Given the way it increases appetite it might even help them get some disquised smoothies and such down better (just watch the sugar content).All the best,Tonyoleander soup, "Norton, Steve" <stephen.norton@ ...> wrote:>> Tony,> > > > I understand what you are saying and I do not disagree with what you are> saying, but as a father of 3, one still 11 years old, I KNOW the> difficulty of trying to get a child to take pills or medicine. I> honestly don't think it would be possible to get my 11 YO to take a lot> of pills short of tying her up and force feeding her. And if there were> real alternatives that alleviated that problem, I would want to know> about and consider them. Of course, I would also consider hiding the> medicine in fruit smoothies as others have suggested in the past. > > That said, I really hesitated to post the information because I do have> confidence in Oleander. But as you know, brain cancer is one of the more> difficult cancers and there are few good alternatives. > > It is hard to know when to withhold information that you think might> help. A misstep can cost a precious life. I don't envy you or .> However, I do wonder how is my suggestion is so different from another's> suggestion to try medical marijuana?> > > > Best Regards,> > Steve Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 5, 2009 Hi Jeremy, Thanks for your advice. Did it work making the supplements into liquid form? And how is your wife now? Marie oleander soup , Galim <galim wrote: > > I had a similar problem with my wife- she was able to take less and less > pills. I have close by an old-style pharmacist who stocks many of the > recommended 'alternative' cancer treatments. He was able to take some of the > medicines that she took in capsules and turn them into liquid drops. He > could not do this for all she was taking as he said some of them would lose > effectiveness in liquid (concentrated drops) form. As she had liver problems > there was also the problem that the drops were alcohol based- solution was > to put the drops in a small amount of hot water to release the alcohol. > > Good luck and good health > > Jeremy > > > > _____ > > oleander soup oleander soup On > Behalf Of Norton, Steve > Thursday, December 03, 2009 8:53 PM > oleander soup > RE: Re: Reids MRI > > > > > > Tony, > > > > I understand what you are saying and I do not disagree with what you are > saying, but as a father of 3, one still 11 years old, I KNOW the difficulty > of trying to get a child to take pills or medicine. I honestly don't think > it would be possible to get my 11 YO to take a lot of pills short of tying > her up and force feeding her. And if there were real alternatives that > alleviated that problem, I would want to know about and consider them. Of > course, I would also consider hiding the medicine in fruit smoothies as > others have suggested in the past. > > That said, I really hesitated to post the information because I do have > confidence in Oleander. But as you know, brain cancer is one of the more > difficult cancers and there are few good alternatives. > > It is hard to know when to withhold information that you think might help. A > misstep can cost a precious life. I don't envy you or . However, I do > wonder how is my suggestion is so different from another's suggestion to try > medical marijuana? > > > > Best Regards, > > Steve > > > > > > oleander soup oleander soup On > Behalf Of TonyI > Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:11 AM > oleander soup > Re: Reids MRI > > > > > > Steve, > > I may be wrong here, but I get the sense that something was working > initially and now whatever is being done in limited fashion is not working > as well. On the one hand, I get the idea that perhaps some of the elements > used at first have been dropped and perhaps also that the amount of oleander > might be lower than optimum. On the other, and I should have said this > earlier, the fact that they boy's cancer has been kept from him is > understandable but I fear that it may also mean that he is being allowed to > proceed as many children do with sugar, fast foods, processed foods, etc. > which are all detrimental in trying to save his life. It is a quandry I > would hate to face, but if I did I would not hesitate to somehow impress > upon the very young man that it is imperative that he eat and take what he > needs. > > I don't like to second guess anyone's good intentions when it comes to a > child or loved one, but sometimes good intentions and wishes may get in the > way of taking tough action needed for a chance of success. > > All the best, > > > > > oleander soup , " Norton, Steve " <stephen.norton@> > wrote: > > > > Rhonda, > > > > I am so sorry to hear of the continuing difficulties your young son is > > having. I do not believe that enough time has passed to determine if > > Oleander is not working or not and frequent changes of treatment methods > > cannot be good, but combining compatible treatments can often increase > > success. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 5, 2009 Thanks for the reply However, are we speaking about it being harmful or creating balance in the body? Again what sources have you found that have a scientific history regarding the herb? The long term effects are what is important or we could just pop a pill from some pharmaceutical company. Sincerely, Cypriano oleander soup From: bbaneverDate: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 06:58:12 -0800Re: Re: Reids MRI Cypriano, BTW, there is nothing harmful about the herb. It is possibly the least toxic of any plant on earth. Of course, when you burn something (anything, including meat while cooking) you generate certain carcinogenic substances. One does not have to smoke it to extract the active substances. It can be ingested in a number of ways and even inhaled through a vaporizer. Hope this helps. Bob - Cypriano Aguerria oleander soup Thursday, December 03, 2009 3:10 PM RE: Re: Reids MRI Thank You for pointing me to the website and video. Question? has anyone checked out this man's claims or background? I find no scientific evidence for what is claimed.The fact that that their is none does not make his claim untrue, however when we are helping others,In my opinion we need to look for protocols that have some sciencetific history. Lets not lose our reasoning and common sense. It appears to me that this is another way to legalize the harmful herb. This is one man's opinion, no one has the all knowing cure or knowledge. We should look to the things that help, until we have some better protocol. Sincerely, Cypriano oleander soup From: showard208 (AT) aol (DOT) comDate: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:52:42 -0500Re: Re: Reids MRI http://www.phoenixtears.ca/Watch the video "Run From the Cure" Cypriano Aguerria <caguerria (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>oleander soup Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:39 pmRE: Re: Reids MRI Hello, I am shocked to read this E-Mail, please point me to the scientific evidence that MJ IS A POTENTIAL CURE FOR CANCER. I am open to any protocol that has legitimate science history. I know that I will get a lot of negative feedback ,but we must use the common sense that GOD has given to us. Sincerley,Cypriano oleander soup From: bbanever (AT) earthlink (DOT) netDate: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:33:27 -0800Re: Re: Reids MRI Tony, The suggestion of medical marijuana was mine, but in fact I did not suggest smoking it. It must be made into an "oil" (more like a paste) and ingested in order for the boy to get enough theraputically. It isn't being given to increase his appetite (although that would happen as a side effect), it is being given to effect a cure of the cancer. Anyway, the decision is the family's and since I read that the tumors were returning I thought it would be a good alternative to explore. Bob - TonyI oleander soup Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:40 PM Re: Reids MRI Steve,I hear ya. Personally I would tie my child up and force them to take what I thought would best have a chance at saving them, but of course I would want to explore other alternatives and at some point I would have to find the best way of impressing upon them that they had a bit of a special problem that required some special actions without unduly frightening them.I think your suggestion for marijuana is an excellent one. Given the way it increases appetite it might even help them get some disquised smoothies and such down better (just watch the sugar content).All the best,Tonyoleander soup , "Norton, Steve" <stephen.norton wrote:>> Tony,> > > > I understand what you are saying and I do not disagree with what you are> saying, but as a father of 3, one still 11 years old, I KNOW the> difficulty of trying to get a child to take pills or medicine. I> honestly don't think it would be possible to get my 11 YO to take a lot> of pills short of tying her up and force feeding her. And if there were> real alternatives that alleviated that problem, I would want to know> about and consider them. Of course, I would also consider hiding the> medicine in fruit smoothies as others have suggested in the past. > > That said, I really hesitated to post the information because I do have> confidence in Oleander. But as you know, brain cancer is one of the more> difficult cancers and there are few good alternatives. > > It is hard to know when to withhold information that you think might> help. A misstep can cost a precious life. I don't envy you or .> However, I do wonder how is my suggestion is so different from another's> suggestion to try medical marijuana?> > > > Best Regards,> > Steve Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 5, 2009 Thank you, for the info. I am aware of the info. Just for all who Read this I devote myself full time to research supported by science and only science. Sincerely, Cypriano oleander soup From: slavek.krepelkaDate: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 18:14:27 -0800Re: Re: Reids MRI Hi Cypriano,1) Hemp has been historically the best raw and renewable source of paperfibber of better quality than tree pulp. OUTLAWED!2) Hemp has been historically the best natural fibber for rope makingand cloth reinforcement fibber. OUTLAWED!!3) Hemp has been historically an excellent source of nutrition for itsseed. OUTLAWED!!!4) Hemp has been historically a source of one of the best natural painkillers which did not create dependency, better pain killers thanmorphine etc. OUTLAWED!!!!5) Hemp oil has been historically a very valuable medical herb and notso long historically proven cancer fighter with US government holding apatent to this particular property of medical hemp. OUTLAWED!!!!!With kind regards, Slavek. showard208 (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:> > > > http://www.phoenixtears.ca/> > Watch the video "Run From the Cure"> > > Cypriano Aguerria <caguerria (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>> oleander soup > Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:39 pm> RE: Re: Reids MRI> > > Hello, I am shocked to read this E-Mail, please point me to the> scientific evidence that MJ IS A POTENTIAL CURE FOR CANCER. I am open> to any protocol that has legitimate science history. I know that I> will get a lot of negative feedback ,but we must use the common sense> that GOD has given to us.> > Sincerley,> Cypriano Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 5, 2009 Tony I do not know how to respond to your e- mail. I have done quite a lot OF RESEARCH on MJ and have yet to find any evidence for it treating cancer. IF we do not have any studies to look at and study what do we use? The drug co's would love to patient the use. Tony it's all about the Money. Sincerely Cypriano oleander soup From: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 00:38:02 +0000 Re: Reids MRI Cypriano -Do a bit of research and you will find ample evidence about marijuanacuring and preventing cancer. Now, given that marijuana is a naturalplant which cannot be controlled by mainstream medicine to the extenttheir patented unnatrual drugs, synthetics and unique isolates can be,along with the fact it is illegal in many instances, you will not likelyfind a lot of "mainstream" scientific "evidence" which recommends it(though some is out there) - but I am highly skeptical of mainstreamstudies and evidence anyway, since they are so largely skewed to producepositive results in favor of patented drugs and against alternatives.Remember, in addition to common sense God also gave us marijuana. Itisn't God given common sense that prevents us from utilizing marijuana,it is unnatural prohibitions.All the best,Tonyoleander soup , Cypriano Aguerria <caguerriawrote:>>> Hello, I am shocked to read this E-Mail, please point me to thescientific evidence that MJ IS A POTENTIAL CURE FOR CANCER. I am open toany protocol that has legitimate science history. I know that I will geta lot of negative feedback ,but we must use the common sense that GODhas given to us.>>>> Sincerley,>> Cypriano Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 6, 2009 Cypriano - If history has taught us anything it is the folly in believing wholly in today's science as having all the answers or the only answers. The science of today often becomes the discredited quackery of tomorrow. And today's science when it comes to medicine and healing is bought and sold by the trillion dollar global drug and medical empire. Though I too would like to see as much proof as possible and would not advise anyone to merely take something as gospel because someone said so or posted a few self-serving testimonials, this is nevertheless NOT a mainstream science forum. Thanks, oleander soup , Cypriano Aguerria <caguerria wrote: > > > Thank you, for the info. I am aware of the info. Just for all who Read this I devote myself full time to research supported by science and only science. > > Sincerely, > > > > Cypriano > > > > oleander soup > slavek.krepelka > Thu, 3 Dec 2009 18:14:27 -0800 > Re: Re: Reids MRI > > > > > > Hi Cypriano, > > 1) Hemp has been historically the best raw and renewable source of paper > fibber of better quality than tree pulp. OUTLAWED! > > 2) Hemp has been historically the best natural fibber for rope making > and cloth reinforcement fibber. OUTLAWED!! > > 3) Hemp has been historically an excellent source of nutrition for its > seed. OUTLAWED!!! > > 4) Hemp has been historically a source of one of the best natural pain > killers which did not create dependency, better pain killers than > morphine etc. OUTLAWED!!!! > > 5) Hemp oil has been historically a very valuable medical herb and not > so long historically proven cancer fighter with US government holding a > patent to this particular property of medical hemp. OUTLAWED!!!!! > > With kind regards, Slavek. > > showard208 wrote: > > > > > > > > http://www.phoenixtears.ca/ > > > > Watch the video " Run From the Cure " > > > > > > Cypriano Aguerria caguerria > > oleander soup > > Thu, Dec 3, 2009 4:39 pm > > RE: Re: Reids MRI > > > > > > Hello, I am shocked to read this E-Mail, please point me to the > > scientific evidence that MJ IS A POTENTIAL CURE FOR CANCER. I am open > > to any protocol that has legitimate science history. I know that I > > will get a lot of negative feedback ,but we must use the common sense > > that GOD has given to us. > > > > Sincerley, > > Cypriano > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 6, 2009 Cypriano, Is this not evidence? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19425170?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum & ordinalpos=26 Bob - Cypriano Aguerria oleander soup Saturday, December 05, 2009 3:49 PM RE: Re: Reids MRI Tony I do not know how to respond to your e- mail. I have done quite a lot OF RESEARCH on MJ and have yet to find any evidence for it treating cancer. IF we do not have any studies to look at and study what do we use? The drug co's would love to patient the use. Tony it's all about the Money. Sincerely Cypriano oleander soup From: Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 00:38:02 +0000 Re: Reids MRI Cypriano -Do a bit of research and you will find ample evidence about marijuanacuring and preventing cancer. Now, given that marijuana is a naturalplant which cannot be controlled by mainstream medicine to the extenttheir patented unnatrual drugs, synthetics and unique isolates can be,along with the fact it is illegal in many instances, you will not likelyfind a lot of "mainstream" scientific "evidence" which recommends it(though some is out there) - but I am highly skeptical of mainstreamstudies and evidence anyway, since they are so largely skewed to producepositive results in favor of patented drugs and against alternatives.Remember, in addition to common sense God also gave us marijuana. Itisn't God given common sense that prevents us from utilizing marijuana,it is unnatural prohibitions.All the best,Tonyoleander soup , Cypriano Aguerria <caguerriawrote:>>> Hello, I am shocked to read this E-Mail, please point me to thescientific evidence that MJ IS A POTENTIAL CURE FOR CANCER. I am open toany protocol that has legitimate science history. I know that I will geta lot of negative feedback ,but we must use the common sense that GODhas given to us.>>>> Sincerley,>> Cypriano Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 6, 2009 Bob - No offense, my friend, and I don't want to stifle discussion whether I agree with it or not (and quite obviously you and I agree on this subject) - but this argument has become circular and prolonged to the point of detraction. Please feel free to carry on the debate via private emails with Cypriano. Thanks! oleander soup , "Bob Banever" <bbanever wrote:>> Cypriano,> > Is this not evidence?> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19425170?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum & ordinalpos=26> > Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
