Guest guest Report post Posted March 21, 2007 This is totally off the cuff, but does anybody have an opinion as to the relationship of the kidney channel and the root of the tongue in relation to sleep apnea? It might previde a basis for treatments based on kidney vacuity patterns... Par Scott, MAOM, Lic Ac 19 Belmont St Cambridge MA 02138 617 499 2957 - Wednesday, March 21, 2007 4:40 PM Re: Sleep Apnea I usually associate this type of headache with teeth grinding or clenching in the night. Which makes me wonder if apnea is defined always as constriction of the airway or is it any kind of sleep interruption. doug , " Frances L. Gander " <threetreasures wrote: > > I am presently treating a thin woman with sleep apnea, not the primary > reason she came for tx. No spleen damp, but ki & liver yin def. She > wakes up every morning with a headache. Age 50. Meditates and does > yoga every day. She will be doing the sleep study next week. I, too, > usually associate this symptom with overweight people. > > Frances Gander > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 22, 2007 I'll correct myself here. Sleep Apnea is the absence of breathing during sleeping. Headaches on awakening can be associated with it. Still her description doesn't fit the usual profile as you indicate. Let's see what happens at her tests next week. Doug > I usually associate this type of headache with teeth grinding or clenching in the night. Which > makes me wonder if apnea is defined always as constriction of the airway or is it any kind of > sleep interruption. > doug > > > , " Frances L. Gander " <threetreasures@> > wrote: > > > > I am presently treating a thin woman with sleep apnea, not the primary > > reason she came for tx. No spleen damp, but ki & liver yin def. She > > wakes up every morning with a headache. Age 50. Meditates and does > > yoga every day. She will be doing the sleep study next week. I, too, > > usually associate this symptom with overweight people. > > > > Frances Gander > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 30, 2007 Can you give us more details? Jane " corndoggirl1977 " <crystalandbrock Is there anything I can do for this other than surgery and a machine? I am only 30, but have pretty severe sleep apnea. I need to lose about 30 pounds, and I know that might help, but I'm desperate. What about essential oils? Herbs? Anything? Thanks, Crystal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 30, 2007 For starters, do not lie flat on your back when you sleep. Always try to sleep on your side, take at least 6 grams of Vit C per day to stop the swelling in your airways. Do not drink alcohol because it causes the sinuses and throat area to become swollen which in turn causes you to have a problem breathing when you sleep. jlk , " corndoggirl1977 " <crystalandbrock wrote: > > Is there anything I can do for this other than surgery and a machine? > I am only 30, but have pretty severe sleep apnea. I need to lose > about 30 pounds, and I know that might help, but I'm desperate. What > about essential oils? Herbs? Anything? > > Thanks, > Crystal > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 30, 2007 Hi Crystal, The information in this site may be of help in losing weight: http://www.webspawner.com/users/ecsobesitytx/index.html With best wishes for the New Year, Dudley Delany http://profiles./dudley_delany corndoggirl1977 Sunday, December 30, 2007 2:09 AM Sleep apnea Is there anything I can do for this other than surgery and a machine? I am only 30, but have pretty severe sleep apnea. I need to lose about 30 pounds, and I know that might help, but I'm desperate. What about essential oils? Herbs? Anything? Thanks, Crystal ��������������������������ï¿\ ½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï\ ¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ � - PULSE ON WORLD HEALTH CONSPIRACIES! � Subscribe:......... - ��������������������������ï¿\ ½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï\ ¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Any information here in is for educational purpose only; it may be news related, purely speculation or SOMEONE�S OPINION. Always consult with a qualified Medical Doctor before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses. By becoming a member of this group you AGREE to hold this group its members, list owners, moderators and affiliates harmless of any liability for any direct, consequential, incidental, damage incurred. YOU AGREE; to accept responsibility and liability for your own actions and to contact a licensed Medical Doctor before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE; you must : Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 30, 2007 I also have severe sleep apnea. I have endured 23 sleep studies in 4 countries. I got very lucky and found a Chiropractor who went to China and studied a new technology called ZHT. Although the exercises he gave me seems very silly at the time, I no longer use the C_PAP machine and my sleep apnea seems to be gone. It only cost $500 and I am delighted to be rid of the machine after over 10 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 30, 2007 Hi..My wife has the same problem. This is going to sound crazy but you might want to try using what they call a Neti Pot for the sinuses. My wife used it and she doesn't snore as bad, sometimes not at all and I don't snore anymore. It might not work with you but it is worth a try. You can use a sport water bottle instead of buying a Neti pot but just put about a 2" hole on one side so you can fill it and get water in without removing the cap. I used this until my Rhino Horn came in the mail.. http://tinyurl.com/ypde8x Cheers..Keithmj http://www.keithmj.com/scan.html http://www.keithmj.com/toilet.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 30, 2007 Hi..My wife has the same problem. This is going to sound crazy but you might want to try using what they call a Neti Pot for the sinuses. My wife used it and she doesn't snore as bad, sometimes not at all and I don't snore anymore. It might not work with you but it is worth a try. You can use a sport water bottle instead of buying a Neti pot but just put about a 2" hole on one side so you can fill it and get water in without removing the cap. I used this until my Rhino Horn came in the mail.. http://tinyurl.com/ypde8x Cheers..Keithmj http://www.keithmj.com/scan.html http://www.keithmj.com/toilet.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 30, 2007 Sounds great---Care to share the exercises?Russell Altman <morgellons wrote: I also have severe sleep apnea. I have endured 23 sleep studies in 4countries. I got very lucky and found a Chiropractor who went to Chinaand studied a new technology called ZHT. Although the exercises hegave me seems very silly at the time, I no longer use the C_PAPmachine and my sleep apnea seems to be gone. It only cost $500 and Iam delighted to be rid of the machine after over 10 years. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 30, 2007 http://www.zhtdoc.com/whatiszht.html - Bea Bernhausen Monday, December 31, 2007 2:38 AM Re: Re: Sleep apnea Sounds great---Care to share the exercises?Russell Altman <morgellons wrote: I also have severe sleep apnea. I have endured 23 sleep studies in 4countries. I got very lucky and found a Chiropractor who went to Chinaand studied a new technology called ZHT. Although the exercises hegave me seems very silly at the time, I no longer use the C_PAPmachine and my sleep apnea seems to be gone. It only cost $500 and Iam delighted to be rid of the machine after over 10 years. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 31, 2007 > Can you give us more details? > Well, I have been tired for literally about 15 years! I never knew I snored until a couple year ago, when I started gaining weight when I was pregnant, etc. I have SEVERE stress due to having an autistic son and having lots of deaths in our family in the last few years. I am just a nervous wreck all the time and feel like I'm about to tucker out. I started waking up a few months ago gasping for breath. I went in for a sleep study and they said I was going 8 to 30 seconds at a time without breathing and I did this over 100 times in the night. I never sleep well and haven't slept through the night in years. My son still gets up in the night sometimes. I am doing sequential homeopathy and my homeopath gave me a dropper for it, but that hasn't helped. I am getting a mask, but I am clostrophobic and I am 99.9% sure I won't be able to sleep with that thing. I has a REAL hard time when I did my sleep study and only slept 2 hours that night with it on. I really am desperate. I don't know what to do and can't find any natural alternatives. I have so many other health problems too...PCOS, irregular heartbeat (it's getting worse), no energy, hypoglycemia, haven't been able to breathe out of my nose without OTC nose sprays since April (deviated septum and nasal polyp). I am just about to throw in the towel. I think it would be easier. Thanks, Crystal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 31, 2007 Crystal, High dose Vitamin C should clear up those nose polyps. Go get some now! Also, you might want to try another way of sleeping. Maybe the best place is not on a flat bed. I caught myself having those sleep apnea episodes after I began having nightmares that caused me to get up and breath again. Now I sleep in a lazy boy so that I can always have my head propped up. I don't suffer from nose polyps or anything but I do take lots of Vitamin C. Also a good B vitamin calms the nerves along with fish oil, Gamma E, Magnesium. jlk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 31, 2007 Hmmm boy you have an armful....I have sleep apnea too---am very overweight--so for me thats the first place. But I was thinking I bet doing breathing exercises while awake would be helpful---it gets the muscles more able to accomodate deep regular breathing. Also I have come across this---many people swear by it to expand lung and oxygen capcity--and it isn't expensive. http://www.expand-a-lung.com/?crtag=1 Good Luck!!! Beacorndoggirl1977 <crystalandbrock wrote: > Can you give us more details?> Well, I have been tired for literally about 15 years! I never knew Isnored until a couple year ago, when I started gaining weight when Iwas pregnant, etc. I have SEVERE stress due to having an autistic sonand having lots of deaths in our family in the last few years. I amjust a nervous wreck all the time and feel like I'm about to tuckerout. I started waking up a few months ago gasping for breath. I wentin for a sleep study and they said I was going 8 to 30 seconds at atime without breathing and I did this over 100 times in the night. Inever sleep well and haven't slept through the night in years. My sonstill gets up in the night sometimes. I am doing sequentialhomeopathy and my homeopath gave me a dropper for it, but that hasn'thelped. I am getting a mask, but I am clostrophobic and I am 99.9%sure I won't be able to sleep with that thing. I has a REAL hard timewhen I did my sleep study and only slept 2 hours that night with iton. I really am desperate. I don't know what to do and can't findany natural alternatives. I have so many other health problemstoo...PCOS, irregular heartbeat (it's getting worse), no energy,hypoglycemia, haven't been able to breathe out of my nose without OTCnose sprays since April (deviated septum and nasal polyp). I am justabout to throw in the towel. I think it would be easier.Thanks,Crystal Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 31, 2007 , " corndoggirl1977 " <crystalandbrock wrote: > > Is there anything I can do for this other than surgery and a machine? > I am only 30, but have pretty severe sleep apnea. I need to lose > about 30 pounds, and I know that might help, but I'm desperate. What > about essential oils? Herbs? Anything? > > Thanks, > Crystal > Crystal, Try using the Breathe Rite strips. They will open your nasal passage and hopefully help you. Good luck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 31, 2007 my suggestion is bite a cloth towel between your cannine teeth at one corner of your mouth , so you keep your mouth open during night. secondly keep a fan focussing air in to your face so you will be getting plenty of air. it is actually a breathing nerve signal failiure during sleep .extreme slow down of breathing activity. try rajatha bhasma with aloevera to tone up your system. R.Vidhyasagar. ______________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Guest guest Report post Posted December 31, 2007 , " corndoggirl1977 " <crystalandbrock wrote: > > Is there anything I can do for this other than surgery and a machine? > I am only 30, but have pretty severe sleep apnea. I need to lose > about 30 pounds, and I know that might help, but I'm desperate. What > about essential oils? Herbs? Anything? > > Thanks, > Crystal > You might look at http://snoringandsleepapnea.info/ for some alternatives. It is not complete however. David Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 1, 2008 > High dose Vitamin C should clear up those nose polyps. I have 1000 mg vitamin c here at the house. Do I just take any kind, or should it be buffered, etc.? Do they make it in higher doses than 1,000 mg? Thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 1, 2008 > To those of you who have sleep apnea get you a CPAP machine. I didn't > like mine at first, but my father has sleep apnea too. I have one. I haven't been able to sleep with it as of yet. I start to fall asleep and then wake up ripping it off of my face. I'm severely clostrophobic. > You may not relize that this is serious. You can DIE from sleep > apnea. Remember you stop breathing. You may get into a situation > where you don't wake up. Think about it. Yes, I have been wondering the last few nights if this is going to get me. I am waking up after what feels like stopping breathing for longer and longer, my heart is beating so fast, fitful sleep, etc. It may just get me before I can get a hold of it. Crystal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 1, 2008 > I also have severe sleep apnea. I have endured 23 sleep studies in 4 > countries. I got very lucky and found a Chiropractor who went to China > and studied a new technology called ZHT. Although the exercises he > gave me seems very silly at the time, I no longer use the C_PAP > machine and my sleep apnea seems to be gone. It only cost $500 and I > am delighted to be rid of the machine after over 10 years. > I looked this up and there are no practitioners near me. What exactly do they do? I can't seem to get an explanation on any websites, just testimonials, etc. Are there any exercises you can explain to me so I can try now? Thanks, Crystal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 1, 2008 There are explanations I found when I googled ZHT - you need someone to show you. Jane - " corndoggirl1977 " <crystalandbrock > I looked this up and there are no practitioners near me. What exactly do they do? I can't seem to get an explanation on any websites, just testimonials, etc. Are there any exercises you can explain to me so I can try now? Thanks, Crystal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 9, 2008 Hi Beth, curiously I have had one case of serious sleep apnea resolve, whilst I had several cases of snoring which did not respond to therapy. I am not so clear with snoring, and I have tried to treat it as stomach heat damp heat, liver depression,.., without much success. Does anyone have better experiences? The one case of apnea that I treated actually came in for depression. He's an intelligent but sensitive school director who just couldn't do his job anymore. He also had digestive issues, was obese, and felt very tired every day. I treated him for liver-spleen disharmony with acu and herbs. His mood improved significantly. He also went to a sleep laboratory after which they gave him such a mouthpiece that you wear while sleeping. Hard to sleep with, and he stopped wearing it after some time. Still, his apnea is so much better now. I gave him variations of xiao yao san and gan mai da zao tang. best, Tom. Acupunctuurpraktijk Tom Verhaeghe Stationsplein 59 B-8770 Ingelmunster 051 699 005 tom.verhaeghe www.chinese-geneeskunde.be ---- sg1532 9/04/2008 1:19:59 Chinese Medicine sleep apnea A man asked me today if acupuncture could help with his sleep apnea.? Hes not yet a patient so I dont have any diagnostic information but was wondering if anyone has had any success (or unsuccessfull) cases treating this phenomenon.? I use mostly acupuncture, few herbs, but would be interested to hear both if they would be helpful.? I told the man I would ask around and see what kind of results some of my collegues had. Thanks Beth ?Beth Grubb Licensed Acupuncturist www.bethgrubb.com beth 410-591-2644 William Morse, D.C., FIACA <dokkabill Chinese Medicine Fri, 21 Mar 2008 8:35 pm Re: Lumbar herniations Wow, I am aghast that anyone would consider one case study regarding lumbar disc prolapse as pathomenomic when there is a plethera of good evidence that this is the exception rather than the rule. The body will heal a ruptured disc as it will a host of things, such as a 30% displacement fracture, but is this in the best interests of the patient? Well, if the treatment is worse than the problem itself, then my answer is yes - or find another practitioner. The common cold will usually run it's course in a week, but shouldn't the caring physicial offer proper herbs, acupuncture and therapy to reduce that time? The same is true of disc prolapse. The most severe of which may be made stable in as little as 6 weeks. Why wait a year, especially if there is nerve compression and resultant segmental functional distortion? The body tends to make survival decisions, not optimum health decisions. Scar tissue can be opressive and retard function. If it can be prevented or minimized with proper care, why shouldn't this be done? It is my opinion, but I believe this is why I bother with education and improving my skills - that is, to offer many levels of care to those in need. Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 9, 2008 Tom I treated a case of sleep apnea with BaGuaFa. The patient, an actively licensed MD Physiatrist, fully understood the component cause regarding fluid pathology. After the first treatment he reported that he had the best nights sleep in over twenty years considering that he sleeps with CPAP. Interesting photos confirming blood stagnation in neck, upper back and face. Patient is also diabetic. Regards, Richard In a message dated 4/9/2008 5:10:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tom.verhaeghe writes: Hi Beth, curiously I have had one case of serious sleep apnea resolve, whilst I had several cases of snoring which did not respond to therapy. I am not so clear with snoring, and I have tried to treat it as stomach heat damp heat, liver depression,.damp heat, liver depression,.<WBR>., without better experiences? The one case of apnea that I treated actually came in for depression. He's an intelligent but sensitive school director who just couldn't do his job anymore. He also had digestive issues, was obese, and felt very tired every day. I treated him for liver-spleen disharmony with acu and herbs. His mood improved significantly. He also went to a sleep laboratory after which they gave him such a mouthpiece that you wear while sleeping. Hard to sleep with, and he stopped wearing it after some time. Still, his apnea is so much better now. I gave him variations of xiao yao san and gan mai da zao tang. best, Tom. **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 9, 2008 Hi Tom I treated him several times over a six month period and the improvement held. Richard In a message dated 4/9/2008 2:32:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tom.verhaeghe writes: Hi Richard, did you do a follow-up of this case i.e. how was he after a few weeks/ months? Thanks, Tom. **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 9, 2008 Hi Richard, did you do a follow-up of this case i.e. how was he after a few weeks/ months? Thanks, Tom. ---- acudoc11 9/04/2008 18:29:06 Chinese Medicine Re: sleep apnea Tom I treated a case of sleep apnea with BaGuaFa. The patient, an actively licensed MD Physiatrist, fully understood the component cause regarding fluid pathology. After the first treatment he reported that he had the best nights sleep in over twenty years considering that he sleeps with CPAP. Interesting photos confirming blood stagnation in neck, upper back and face. Patient is also diabetic. Regards, Richard In a message dated 4/9/2008 5:10:09 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tom.verhaeghe writes: Hi Beth, curiously I have had one case of serious sleep apnea resolve, whilst I had several cases of snoring which did not respond to therapy. I am not so clear with snoring, and I have tried to treat it as stomach heat damp heat, liver depression,.damp heat, liver depression,.<WBR>., without better experiences? The one case of apnea that I treated actually came in for depression. He's an intelligent but sensitive school director who just couldn't do his job anymore. He also had digestive issues, was obese, and felt very tired every day. I treated him for liver-spleen disharmony with acu and herbs. His mood improved significantly. He also went to a sleep laboratory after which they gave him such a mouthpiece that you wear while sleeping. Hard to sleep with, and he stopped wearing it after some time. Still, his apnea is so much better now. I gave him variations of xiao yao san and gan mai da zao tang. best, Tom. **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
