soy

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" Lee " <kapolaka

<herbal remedies >

Wednesday, April 12, 2006 6:16 PM

Herbal Remedies - Re: soy

 

 

>I am learning that it is very difficult to find soy that is not GM.

> So it is scary to try and find soy without it.

>

> Lee

>

> herbal remedies , Renee <violingirl wrote:

>>

>> Interesting. Why are you so against soy? I, being allergic to

> Almonds, Walnuts, Pecans, milk, and many other things...have to

> resort to soy milk when it calls for any type of milk in a recipe

> (not often, but sometimes). Usually, I just use water to cook

> with, in place of milk or oils. I'm curious to know what the evils

> of soy are. thanks!

>>

>> spotspace <spotspace wrote: ALMOND... through all

> that soy in the trash where it belongs.

>> do some research and stay far away from the soy.

>> blessings..

>> spot

>>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

My sister had this problem with her youngest daughter. What it is is a

digestive system that is not fully formed at birth. Fairly common. Have your

daughter drink catnip tea regularly throughout the day. The digestive benifits

pass through the breast milk and will help the baby be less gassy.

Ramona

 

Quoting dsdollman <dsdollman:

 

> My grand daughter's doctor recommended a switch to soy formula when

> the baby was three week's old because of stomach upset and gas. Are

> there other options my daughter should consider? She breast fed for

> three weeks but the baby had alot of stomach upset, then the doctor

> suggested switching to formula, then soy formula.

>

> Also, is there a way to purchase any of the recipes in the file

> already prepared?

> Thank you! Darla

>

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural

> remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from

> list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members

> free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington

>

[Guest guest]

The absolute best baby formula is to be found in the files - check

the file called Member Contributions, and is called Baby Barley

formula. You can substitute cow's milk with another, preferably NOT

soy, but perhaps goat's milk, or otherwise home made almond milk.

 

And yes, you can buy Doc's preparations from his office - via web

check out the link section, or else phone his office.

 

love

Lisa de Haas

Senior Moderator

 

herbal remedies , " dsdollman " <dsdollman

wrote:

>

> My grand daughter's doctor recommended a switch to soy formula

when

> the baby was three week's old because of stomach upset and gas.

Are

> there other options my daughter should consider? She breast fed

for

> three weeks but the baby had alot of stomach upset, then the

doctor

> suggested switching to formula, then soy formula.

>

> Also, is there a way to purchase any of the recipes in the file

> already prepared?

> Thank you! Darla

>

[Guest guest]

there are several other formulas that are not soy and are better tolerated than plain milk based- theres lactose free formulas similar to lactaid milk - I think ailementum is one and another is called lactofree I think. my oldest who is now almost 9 was on these for the same reasons. look on the formula aisle at any grocery store, they all look the same I know but you can find several different varieties readily available and many babies have to use them so they are now easier to find than they were years ago.

[Guest guest]

I just got an article from Organic Consumer that states:

 

Two of the largest organic dairy companies in the nation, Horizon Organic (a

subsidiary of Dean Foods) and supplier to Wal-Mart and many health food

stores; and Aurora Organic, a supplier of private brand name organic milk to

Costco, Safeway, Giant, Wild Oats and others, are purchasing the majority of

their milk from feedlot dairies where the cows have little or no access to

pasture. The National Standards Board is currently accepting public comments

regarding factory farm dairy.

They have a petition at Organic Consumer.com

 

This really bites! Also my husband tells me that the " cage free " chicken

and eggs are a scam. The chickens are caged up the first part of their

lifes and then the doors opened and they are so conditioned they just stay

in the cage! And the " cage free " place is just a small block of land.

 

Disgusting. Corporate greed is destroying our planet! Gas prices; food

contamination; land destruction and we the masses just stand by. (myself

included)

seer

[Guest guest]

so, we should not be buying horizon anymore? Publix caries their brand as well..but i recently found out that horizon's milk is ultra-pasteurized so it may as well be dead..i think i will change to Organic Valley..anyone hear bad things on them?

 

 

herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of seerWednesday, April 19, 2006 8:47 AMherbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - RE: soy

I just got an article from Organic Consumer that states: Two of the largest organic dairy companies in the nation, Horizon Organic (asubsidiary of Dean Foods) and supplier to Wal-Mart and many health foodstores; and Aurora Organic, a supplier of private brand name organic milk toCostco, Safeway, Giant, Wild Oats and others, are purchasing the majority oftheir milk from feedlot dairies where the cows have little or no access topasture. The National Standards Board is currently accepting public commentsregarding factory farm dairy. They have a petition at Organic Consumer.comThis really bites! Also my husband tells me that the "cage free" chickenand eggs are a scam. The chickens are caged up the first part of theirlifes and then the doors opened and they are so conditioned they just stayin the cage! And the "cage free" place is just a small block of land.Disgusting. Corporate greed is destroying our planet! Gas prices; foodcontamination; land destruction and we the masses just stand by. (myselfincluded)seer

[Guest guest]

Seer, I just got an e-mail this AM that said the same thing about the

milk. And we know first hand about the " Cage Free " chicken thing.

That and the " Organic Fed " poultry. Jokes, and as you said, scams. We

get a lot of e-mails about the chicken things because we're into

chickens. And each morning when I open our chicken houses, all 135 of

them are right there waiting to get out! They come back and lay in

the nest boxes(mostly-we have Easter egg hunts daily), but they are

out there running over the whole place in unfenced pleasure.(But not

today, the wind is so strong they're all carrying rocks in their feet

to hold them down.) I doubt we'd get an egg if we locked ours up, not

to mention how sad they'd all be. Yeah, they're about half pets. Or

like all pets, is that pests? It seems like we should be able to get

something done about all these lies and false labelling instances,

but I guess the right people in the right places have all been bought

and paid for. And don't get me started on the FDA or the USDA! I also

just heard the new laws say they don't even have to label certain

things anymore, and there's also something coming down about

the 'new' organic labelling. I say, either it is or it isn't!

Creative labelling means somebody is telling you a lie. Bob.

 

 

 

 

herbal remedies , " seer " <seer7 wrote:

>

>

> I just got an article from Organic Consumer that states:

>

> Two of the largest organic dairy companies in the nation, Horizon

Organic (a

> subsidiary of Dean Foods) and supplier to Wal-Mart and many health

food

> stores; and Aurora Organic, a supplier of private brand name

organic milk to

> Costco, Safeway, Giant, Wild Oats and others, are purchasing the

majority of

> their milk from feedlot dairies where the cows have little or no

access to

> pasture. The National Standards Board is currently accepting public

comments

> regarding factory farm dairy.

> They have a petition at Organic Consumer.com

>

> This really bites! Also my husband tells me that the " cage free "

chicken

> and eggs are a scam. The chickens are caged up the first part of

their

> lifes and then the doors opened and they are so conditioned they

just stay

> in the cage! And the " cage free " place is just a small block of

land.

>

> Disgusting. Corporate greed is destroying our planet! Gas

prices; food

> contamination; land destruction and we the masses just stand by.

(myself

> included)

> seer

>

[Guest guest]

AMEN to you both! it is very hard for me not to allow my frustrations about all the below mentioned to take hold of me and obsess me to the point of illness. I saw a "cellular therepist" (Think that's what she was called... you know, with the chakras and everything... really just did it for fun) last year on vacation, found her in this little town in the country... and she told me that I need to be able to better let go of the anger I have towards the worldly issues before it kills me, which led me to personal meditation and such... but it's hard! Especially when it's all around us!"I say... we all pitch in for the cost of a few acres each, and start our own community!"A good friend of mine and I have made that joke for years... always joke to go buy up as much property as we can, perhaps in northern Canada, previously untouched by civilized man, enough land to bring in all our loved ones, and lock the gate! Wouldn't it be great if things could just be the

way they were intended to be? Ah, well... if only it were so easy. In the mean time, I don't eat any of the dairy or meat sold here in the city, except for the occasional slip...I am VERY thankful for good people who still believe in a better world, and are willing to teach and learn. Maybe I am naive... my father always told me I was born in the wrong time completely... but I still believe in humans and the fact that we WILL be able to change things slowly. I am especially thankful I found this board! :)Blessings and Love to All ~Raaven"I'm sensitive, and I'd like to stay that way" )sandyloopfarm <sandyloopfarm wrote: Seer, I just got an e-mail this AM that said the same thing about the milk. And we know first hand about the "Cage Free" chicken thing. That and the

"Organic Fed" poultry. Jokes, and as you said, scams. We get a lot of e-mails about the chicken things because we're into chickens. It seems like we should be able to get something done about all these lies and false labelling instances, but I guess the right people in the right places have all been bought and paid for. And don't get me started on the FDA or the USDA! I also just heard the new laws say they don't even have to label certain things anymore, and there's also something coming down about the 'new' organic labelling. I say, either it is or it isn't! Creative labelling means somebody is telling you a lie. Bob. herbal remedies , "seer" <seer7 wrote: > > > I just got an article from Organic Consumer that states: > > Two of the largest organic dairy companies in the nation, Horizon

Organic (a > subsidiary of Dean Foods) and supplier to Wal-Mart and many health food > stores; and Aurora Organic, a supplier of private brand name organic milk to > Costco, Safeway, Giant, Wild Oats and others, are purchasing the majority of > their milk from feedlot dairies where the cows have little or no access to > pasture. The National Standards Board is currently accepting public comments > regarding factory farm dairy. > They have a petition at Organic Consumer.com > > This really bites! Also my husband tells me that the "cage free" chicken > and eggs are a scam. The chickens are caged up the first part of their > lifes and then the doors opened and they are so conditioned they just stay > in the cage! And the "cage free" place is just a small block of land. > > Disgusting. Corporate

greed is destroying our planet! Gas prices; food > contamination; land destruction and we the masses just stand by. (myself > included) > seer >

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[Guest guest]

, " Marsha Abernethy "

<bigslowsmom wrote:

>>>Now I am reading two

> different opinions about the soybean. I would appreciate some

> opinions on the topic. Since I an in remission from Hodgkins

> Lymphoma, I certainly don't want to risk brain cancer! Any ideas???

<<<

 

I think what the emphasis should be on...if you do not want cancer

is if the food is alkaline or acidic. Cancer lives in acidic bodies.

 

One of the problems you run into when drinking soy milk is that

commercially sold soy milk is acidic to the body. The soybean is

acidic and the added sugar to soy milk tops the scales AND NOT in

your favor. Sugar - is HUGE at creating a toxic acidic body.

 

I think it is more important to concentrate on taking out sugar when

trying to create a healthy body. To worry about our health (should we

eat soy products...should we stop eating red meat) and ignore the one

thing that should be taken out of the diet is counter productive.

 

I believe tofu -because it is fermented - is alkaline to the body.

 

Donna

N. Cali.

[Guest guest]

Donna wrote:

 

" I believe tofu -because it is fermented - is alkaline to the body. "

 

Soy milk and Tofu are not really fermented soy products! Fermentation

does not make food more alkaline; acidity or alkalinity reserves in the

body are more dependent on whether the metabolic byproducts of the foods

we ingest are alkaline or acidic... nitrogen/sulfur based foods like

proteins tend to leave an acidic residue and potassium/calcium rich

foods like fruits and vegetables provide alkalizing minerals. Deep

breathing is a very important technique for maintaining proper blood Ph

balance which most people do not use. Prana Yoga and Qigong are good

practices for this!

 

Tempeth, miso, soy sauce, natto, etc. are true fermented soy product .

 

 

 

>

> <%40>, " Marsha Abernethy "

> <bigslowsmom wrote:

> >>>Now I am reading two

> > different opinions about the soybean. I would appreciate some

> > opinions on the topic. Since I an in remission from Hodgkins

> > Lymphoma, I certainly don't want to risk brain cancer! Any ideas???

[Guest guest]

, Domingo Pichardo

<dpichardo3 wrote:

>>>Soy milk and Tofu are not really fermented soy products! <<<

 

I didn't say soy milk was...for I do not know that - nor have I come

across information to say it is. However, tofu...can be fermented and

you can check out this website to get examples: scroll down to

fermented soy products:

http://www.ellenskitchen.com/clearlight/soyfoods.html#fermented

 

 

>>>Fermentation does not make food more alkaline;<<<

 

There are many lists online that give an 'in general' list...with a

few foods people can not agree on that switch from alkaline to the

acidic side and back. In general however, if you research it - this

webpage gives a pretty good idea of which foods go where. This one:

http://www.essense-of-life.com/info/foodchart.htm

Matches many that I have seen in books...so I bookmarked the page.

This particular list has soy on the acidic side and tempeh on the

alkaline side. I would love to read any information that does not

agree with this list...

 

>>>> breathing is a very important technique for maintaining proper

blood Ph balance which most people do not use. Prana Yoga and Qigong

are good practices for this!<<<

 

I did not know this. I will research more about it.

 

Thanks,

Donna

N. Cali.

[Guest guest]

Herbs, Acupuncture, Theory, Case StudiesHas anyone read this article? Do you

know if the controlled for example lack of meat consumption in people eating

more tofu?

 

OBJECTIVE: To examine associations of midlife tofu consumption with brain

function and structural changes in late life. METHODS: The design utilized

surviving participants of a longitudinal study established in 1965 for research

on heart disease, stroke, and cancer. Information on consumption of selected

foods was available from standardized interviews conducted 1965-1967 and

1971-1974. A 4-level composite intake index defined " low-low " consumption as

fewer than two servings of tofu per week in 1965 and no tofu in the prior week

in 1971. Men who reported two or more servings per week at both interviews were

defined as " high-high " consumers. Intermediate or less consistent " low " and

" high " consumption levels were also defined. Cognitive functioning was tested at

the 1991-1993 examination, when participants were aged 71 to 93 years (n =

3734). Brain atrophy was assessed using neuroimage (n = 574) and autopsy (n =

290) information. Cognitive function data were also analyzed for wives of a

sample of study participants (n = 502) who had been living with the participants

at the time of their dietary interviews. RESULTS: Poor cognitive test

performance, enlargement of ventricles and low brain weight were each

significantly and independently associated with higher midlife tofu consumption.

A similar association of midlife tofu intake with poor late life cognitive test

scores was also observed among wives of cohort members, using the husband's

answers to food frequency questions as proxy for the wife's consumption.

Statistically significant associations were consistently demonstrated in linear

and logistic multivariate regression models. Odds ratios comparing endpoints

among " high-high " with " low-low " consumers were mostly in the range of 1.6 to

2.0. CONCLUSIONS: In this population, higher midlife tofu consumption was

independently associated with indicators of cognitive impairment and brain

atrophy in late life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Friday, February 15, 2008 12:54 AM

Digest Number 2574

 

 

Herbs, Acupuncture, Theory, Case Studies

Messages In This Digest (13 Messages)

1a. Re: Bleeding during ovulation sxm2649

2a. Re: angioedema/anaphylactic shock/food allergies? sxm2649

3a. FW: Kiiko Matsumoto's Practical Application of Chinese Classics Sund

Emily Konstan

4a. Re: difficult case: chronic low back pain pejo_mstd

4b. Re: difficult case: chronic low back pain Togan Muftuoglu

4c. Re: difficult case: chronic low back pain ra6151

4d. Re: difficult case: chronic low back pain

5.1. Re: eating meat Ross Ralph

6a. Contact details for practitioners who use acupuncture in reptiles or

 

6b. Re: Contact details for practitioners who use acupuncture in reptile

bill_schoenbart

7. Post Operative Acupuncture fudgelisa

8. Referral in Columbus, OH fudgelisa

9. Acupuncturist in Union Square, NYC purekarm

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1a. Re: Bleeding during ovulation

Posted by: " sxm2649 " sxm2649 sxm2649

Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:49 am (PST)

Hi, Chris

 

I think u r right as there is surely deficiency. However, u will get

confused as u mingle the concept of western medicine in pure tcm

diagnosis.

 

Tcm does not say ovulation ( u need to mark down the body

temperature in trace the ovulation period). TCM talks about

spotting. Spotting is a sign found in gyneocology so u look at the

disease and then u come up with different patterns such as blood

deficiency, blood heat etc. Jin Gui Yao Lue (Sypnosis of the Golden

Chamber) by ZHANG,Zhong-jing devotes THREE chapters taking about

gynecology 1800 years ago.

 

The pathomechanism of spotting may vary from liver kidney Yin

deficiency, spleen and kidney Yang deficiency, to blood stasis etc

and then u rule out the least likely and come up with diagnosis.

 

Apart from the knowledge from the book, u rely on clinical

experiences to enhance your clinical efficacy. Ex., women in this

age may have spotting after sex life due to biological reason

(pretty common). U r not convenient to do body check as a male

practitoner. Taking everything into considerations, u can see the

tree (signs) as well as the forest(disease). U then can easily come

up with an effective formula (apart from using acupuncture).

 

Spotting can be easily treated with tcm herbology once u hit the

right diagnosis. It is just like the case in another thread here

(Julia's lower back pain), u will achieve quicker efficacy once the

formula is added.

 

Since u r a tcm student so i talk a bit more, hope u do not mind.

 

Regards,

SUNG, Yuk-ming Phd(Chengdu)

 

 

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2a. Re: angioedema/anaphylactic shock/food allergies?

Posted by: " sxm2649 " sxm2649 sxm2649

Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:11 am (PST)

Hi,Kath

I second Douglas that there are also lung and spleen deficiency, plus

your diagnosis, kidney xu.

 

I had experiences treating Raynaud's syndrome before and wrote an

ariticle in the acupuncture journal about it. Besides acu, I used

herbs. Since your patient suffers from lung, spleen, and kidney

deficiency, herbs is necessary and may take at least 3 to 6 months to

talk about recovery.

 

Regards,

SUNG,Yuk-ming PhD (Chengdu)

 

 

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3a. FW: Kiiko Matsumoto's Practical Application of Chinese Classics Sund

Posted by: " Emily Konstan " emilylists emilykonstan

Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:43 am (PST)

This is from a colleague. If you're interested, her contact info is below.

 

Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:00:23 -0500

monkeykingsdaughter

latepiano

Kiiko Matsumoto's Practical Application of Chinese Classics Sunday

Seminar

 

Dear Fellow Acupuncturists -

 

My name is Eugenia Lai, a medical board certified and Massachusetts licensed

acupuncturist and Chinese Herbalist. I am currently sponsoring a three Sunday

acupuncture workshop series for Sensei

Kiiko Matsumoto. I am in need of reaching out to as many acupuncturists as

possible. Please help me reach them by forwarding this email to your fellow

acupuncturists.

 

Kiiko Matsumoto's workshop will be held on:

Sundays: 3/9, 4/27, 5/25.

Time: 9am to 5:30pm

Location: Kiiko Matsumoto's Newton Clinic

 

*Credits:

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Cost: $400 ($350 student) for three day workshop or

 

$140 ($130) for one day

 

Contact: Eugenia Lai 781-246-3064 or Jessica Sollee 617-335-2148

 

Kiiko Matsumoto is a dynamic speaker who is a true master of Traditional

Classics. All her knowledge and techniques are based on her

deep understanding of ancient texts. You will find her teachings very practical

and helpful in applying them to your acupuncture practices.

 

Enclosed is a flyer and a document with information about the upcoming

Seminar. If you prefer I can forward these info to them as long as you give me

the access of your membership email addresses. Thank you very much.

 

Please sign up by sending me the full amount by check only (payable to

Eugenia Lai)

as soon as possible before February 29, 2008 to:

 

Eugenia Lai

34 Montrose Ave

 

Wakefield, MA 01880

781-246-3064

 

monkeykingsdaughter

 

Please note that the workshop is a three day workshop in its entirety.

However, if you can not make it to any one day, you can still sign up for

those days which you can make it on a day basis. Since we can only take 18

people for the seminar this time, the attendance is

 

limited. The person who signs up for the three day seminar (by paying for

the whole three day seminar by check) will take the precedence in admission

before those who only sign up for one or two days.

 

Hope all is going well with everyone, and I look forward to seeing you soon.

 

Eugenia Lai

Medical Board Licensed Acupuncturist and Chinese

Medicine Herbalist

 

Danvers, MA 01923

781-246-3064

 

monkeykingsdaughter

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Alon,

 

What's the citation for this article?

 

Thanks, Marian

 

Chinese Medicine , <alonmarcus

wrote:

>

> Herbs, Acupuncture, Theory, Case StudiesHas anyone read this article?

Do you know if the controlled for example lack of meat consumption in

people eating more tofu?

>

> OBJECTIVE: To examine associations of midlife tofu consumption with

brain function and structural changes in late life.

[Guest guest]

Marian i cant remember just google the text

 

 

 

400 29th St. Suite 419

Oakland Ca 94609

 

 

 

alonmarcus

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

So I was a soy formula baby back in the 70s and my now DD5 was also a soy

formula baby (b/c of colic) and is also hooked on vanilla soy milk.

I've recently been made aware of all the dangers surrounding soy, along with the

conflicting benefits. It's all very overwhelming and scary to me. What do you

know about soy, good and bad? Just how bad is it for a 5 year old to be

drinking at least 16 oz. of soy milk a day?

 

Thanks,

 

Laura in Austin

 

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Hi Laura,

 

It's good that you are becoming aware of the pros and cons of soy. IMO,

they are mostly cons.

 

Even if your daughter is drinking organic, NON-GMO soy, it will cause

hormonal challenges and perhaps sooner than you might think. Soy

increases estrogen levels in the body... there's just no way around it.

This is one of the primary causes of Precocious (early) puberty in

girls. I urge you to research this further and wean your daughter off

of soy products. Almond milk is an excellent alternative.

 

Michelle

http://www.HolisticPerimenopause.com

 

 

I've recently been made aware of all the dangers surrounding soy, along

with the conflicting benefits. It's all very overwhelming and scary to

me. What do you know about soy, good and bad? Just how bad is it for

a 5 year old to be drinking at least 16 oz. of soy milk a day?

[Guest guest]

Hi Laura,

 

It's not good at all, especially for young boys! It is very much like

giving boys birth control pills. Soy mimics estrogen - and we already

have enough problems with excess estrogens in our water, food,

products, and the environment.

 

These link say it better than I could:

 

http://www.westonaprice.org/brochures/SoyAlertTrifold.pdf

 

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html

 

Nobody really should be eating soy the way we do in the U.S.

(essentially as an animal protein substitute).

 

Don't miss the second page of the pdf on the first link - it has a

nice summary of all the myths and truths about soy.

 

Sorry about the bad news, but unfortunately we can't count on the FDA

to keep us safe. They are more interested in keeping the drug

companies and chemical industries happy and in business.

 

Melissa

 

 

 

 

 

, " Laura Hon " <laura.hon

wrote:

>

> So I was a soy formula baby back in the 70s and my now DD5 was also

a soy formula baby (b/c of colic) and is also hooked on vanilla soy milk.

> I've recently been made aware of all the dangers surrounding soy,

along with the conflicting benefits. It's all very overwhelming and

scary to me. What do you know about soy, good and bad? Just how bad

is it for a 5 year old to be drinking at least 16 oz. of soy milk a day?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Laura in Austin

>

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[Guest guest]

I wonder if in Asian countries, where people have been consuming soy longer than

here happens the same or not.

Does anyone know?

 

Rena

 

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Michelle

Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:45 AM

Re: soy

 

 

Hi Laura,

 

It's good that you are becoming aware of the pros and cons of soy. IMO,

they are mostly cons.

 

Even if your daughter is drinking organic, NON-GMO soy, it will cause

hormonal challenges and perhaps sooner than you might think. Soy

increases estrogen levels in the body... there's just no way around it.

This is one of the primary causes of Precocious (early) puberty in

girls. I urge you to research this further and wean your daughter off

of soy products. Almond milk is an excellent alternative.

 

Michelle

http://www.HolisticPerimenopause.com

 

I've recently been made aware of all the dangers surrounding soy, along

with the conflicting benefits. It's all very overwhelming and scary to

me. What do you know about soy, good and bad? Just how bad is it for

a 5 year old to be drinking at least 16 oz. of soy milk a day?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

They eat small amounts of fermented soy.

Denise

 

 

>I wonder if in Asian countries, where people have been consuming soy longer

>than here happens the same or not.

> Does anyone know?

>

> Rena

[Guest guest]

do you have a good sight with info on the neg side of soy-if so would be pleased

to  read it -thanks

 

--- On Thu, 26/2/09, Michelle <michelle wrote:

 

Michelle <michelle

Re: soy

 

Received: Thursday, 26 February, 2009, 2:45 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Laura,

 

It's good that you are becoming aware of the pros and cons of soy. IMO,

they are mostly cons.

 

Even if your daughter is drinking organic, NON-GMO soy, it will cause

hormonal challenges and perhaps sooner than you might think. Soy

increases estrogen levels in the body... there's just no way around it.

This is one of the primary causes of Precocious (early) puberty in

girls. I urge you to research this further and wean your daughter off

of soy products. Almond milk is an excellent alternative.

 

Michelle

http://www.Holistic Perimenopause. com

 

I've recently been made aware of all the dangers surrounding soy, along

with the conflicting benefits. It's all very overwhelming and scary to

me. What do you know about soy, good and bad? Just how bad is it for

a 5 year old to be drinking at least 16 oz. of soy milk a day?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I would suggest using Almond milk it is delicious and you can even

make your own by soaking raw almonds over night then blending with

water straining it sweetin with honey if you want and vuala. Yum.

 

I never have done any studys on soy I know I use to give my son soy

after I was done nursing him and it constipated him.

 

 

, " Laura Hon "

<laura.hon wrote:

>

> So I was a soy formula baby back in the 70s and my now DD5 was also

a soy formula baby (b/c of colic) and is also hooked on vanilla soy

milk.

> I've recently been made aware of all the dangers surrounding soy,

along with the conflicting benefits. It's all very overwhelming and

scary to me. What do you know about soy, good and bad? Just how bad

is it for a 5 year old to be drinking at least 16 oz. of soy milk a

day?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Laura in Austin

>

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[Guest guest]

l8 The Asian diet is always based on grains, rich in B vitamins. B12 they get

from miso and seaweed. Their soybean culture emphasizes fermented products like

miso, natto, soy sauce, tempeh- all much healthier than soymilk American style.

We ought to study their traditions instead of (arrogantly) using our (naive)

intuitive approach.

Gout and arthritis etc. are meat eaters diseases. Skeletal remains from the

ice age (when there were no plants to eat) show signs of arthritic deformity.

Instead of replacing cows milk with soymilk, eat grain with miso soup (a

digestive aid and powerful antioxidant and detoxifier, drink tea.

Calcium? When derived from minerals (supplements) and animals the calcium is

poorly absorbed, lodges in the joints and forms calcium deposits. The best

plant source of assimilable calcium is seaweed.

 

Dr Stephen Jared ND

[Guest guest]

Hi Michelle and Laura,

 

I'm a recent r to this post who has been speaking out about soy

for many years on my alternate health web site. FYI, I was also

allergic to soy products, and was lucky enough to find a acupuncture

specialist that neutralized me 4 times over the years.

 

Soy is as ubiquitous as wheat or milk or corn in our cultural diet. It

is literally in everything. I know as for years I've had to read

labels. (My wife has a corn allergy.)

 

I've also researched the data on soy and estrogen, and it clearly shows

that the rise of cheap soy usage as food (and milk substitute)

correlates directly with the lowering of age of female maturation.

(There's also a lot of data that shows that homogenization of milk

along with Leaky Gut Syndrome is a major factor in milk

sensitivity/allergy.

 

Laura, I agree completely with Michelle. Get your daughter off all soy

products if you can. IMO, even sweet cola drinks are better for her!

 

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[Guest guest]

Fermented soy products are fine. Read Sally Fallon's " Nourishing Traditions " for

good information about soy products. What we are sold in this country is mostly

not fermented. Foods like fermented miso, tempeh, fermented soy sauce etc are

fine. Unfermented is not good.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Would you please tell me what soy products are fermented? Also, tofu is

fermented?

 

Rena

 

 

 

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O' Conchubair

Wednesday, February 25, 2009 8:25 PM

Re: soy

 

 

 

They eat small amounts of fermented soy.

Denise

 

>I wonder if in Asian countries, where people have been consuming soy longer

>than here happens the same or not.

> Does anyone know?

>

> Rena