Cancer, parasites and clinical success

[Guest guest]

Hi All, & Hi Aqupoint & Chris,

 

Aqupoint wrote:

> Cancer is caused by a parasite, and this mix will kill all 3

> stages.

 

Aqupoint, what is the published evidence that " Cancer is caused

by a parasite " ? What parasite?

 

IMO, that is most unlilkely; if it were true, it would be easy to

control, even prevent, cancer.

 

Chris replied:

> Since most people with cancers have active parasites, one might

> assume the cancer was caused by parasites. Another view is that as

> the bodies biochemistry degrades, there are critters that find the

> body a good host. The cancer is caused by other factors.

 

Agreed. An association per se does NOT prove causality.

 

Chris again:

> It is these factors that give invite to the critters. By killing

> the parasites and increase yang, as these herbs will do, the

> person has an opportunity to heal themselves. I would also include

> Alpha Lipoic acid, Acetyl L Carnitine, curcumin and if you think

> calcium is a good idea, use a source with boron, silica Vit D and

> magnesium. Juicing cucumbers, with a clove of garlic and a little

> beet may also be a god idea. The juice is used by some famous

> healing centers as a part of a live food program. I have seen

> people come in hunched over in a wheel chair and be up with lots

> of energy in a week. Hope this helps, Chris

 

Cancer is a highly complex field - many different types, many

different markers, and (to date) relatively bad clinical success with

any method of therapy. Even the best combinations of allopathic +

herbal remedies known today are a long way from CURING cancer.

 

If my last sentence is incorrect, please enlighten me.

 

Best regards,

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Phil and All,

 

I agree, Phil, that except for papillomavirus the etiology of cancer has little

to do with infection. Cigarette smoking is clearly shown to cause lung cancer.

It leads to " transformation " of the tissue which makes the tissue vulnerable to

oncogenesis ... firing off of a growth gene promoter. Where's the infection?

 

I've heard people discuss " parasites " before, but when I ask for which parasites

as you've just done, Phil, they seem not able to answer. This seems to be an

allopathic side of some alternative practitioners. They seem to want to address

infection or some aspect of germ theory without actually having knowledge of it

.... or only wanting to allude to it in some vague sort of way. If someone can

set me straight on this, I'd appreciate it. Thank you.

 

Respectfully,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

 

 

Hi All, & Hi Aqupoint & Chris,

 

Aqupoint wrote:

> Cancer is caused by a parasite, and this mix will kill all 3

> stages.

 

Aqupoint, what is the published evidence that " Cancer is caused

by a parasite " ? What parasite?

 

IMO, that is most unlilkely; if it were true, it would be easy to

control, even prevent, cancer.

 

Chris replied:

> Since most people with cancers have active parasites, one might

> assume the cancer was caused by parasites. Another view is that as

> the bodies biochemistry degrades, there are critters that find the

> body a good host. The cancer is caused by other factors.

 

Agreed. An association per se does NOT prove causality.

 

Chris again:

> It is these factors that give invite to the critters. By killing

> the parasites and increase yang, as these herbs will do, the

> person has an opportunity to heal themselves. I would also include

> Alpha Lipoic acid, Acetyl L Carnitine, curcumin and if you think

> calcium is a good idea, use a source with boron, silica Vit D and

> magnesium. Juicing cucumbers, with a clove of garlic and a little

> beet may also be a god idea. The juice is used by some famous

> healing centers as a part of a live food program. I have seen

> people come in hunched over in a wheel chair and be up with lots

> of energy in a week. Hope this helps, Chris

 

Cancer is a highly complex field - many different types, many

different markers, and (to date) relatively bad clinical success with

any method of therapy. Even the best combinations of allopathic +

herbal remedies known today are a long way from CURING cancer.

 

If my last sentence is incorrect, please enlighten me.

 

Best regards,

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[Guest guest]

I agree that cancer is fairly complex, and there are different markers

and differing reasons for cells to turn into " cancer " .

Therefor, IMHO, there is no one cause nor no one answer to it.

I would disagree with the assertion that we are a long way from garnering

answers to at least some cancers.

In one of my classes, a Dr. brought in a series of slides showing the

different stages of epithelial cell stress,,,,, up to and including cancer. He

noted that in his experience, if one can induce stress, one can relieve it. I

agree.

I had the opportunity to work in " The Hypocrites Heath Institute " in

Florida. During that time, using live food, I saw people near death, rejuvenate

and become cancer free. Would I say that live food is the cure for cancer?

Absolutely not. Although, in many cases where a person has cancer, if they

bring their Biological Terrain back in line, the cells that were experiencing

extreme stress can return to a normal function.

There are several compounds found in our diet that have been shown to

reactivate the gene responsible for cellular death. This effectively degrades

the cell from cancer to not cancer.

Obviously there is no one answer, however, I believe from experience that

there are answers to some cancers for at least some cancers.

 

Chris

 

In a message dated 2/29/2004 7:39:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

 

Chris again:

> It is these factors that give invite to the critters. By killing

> the parasites and increase yang, as these herbs will do, the

> person has an opportunity to heal themselves. I would also include

> Alpha Lipoic acid, Acetyl L Carnitine, curcumin and if you think

> calcium is a good idea, use a source with boron, silica Vit D and

> magnesium. Juicing cucumbers, with a clove of garlic and a little

> beet may also be a god idea. The juice is used by some famous

> healing centers as a part of a live food program. I have seen

> people come in hunched over in a wheel chair and be up with lots

> of energy in a week. Hope this helps, Chris

 

Cancer is a highly complex field - many different types, many

different markers, and (to date) relatively bad clinical success with

any method of therapy. Even the best combinations of allopathic +

herbal remedies known today are a long way from CURING cancer.

 

If my last sentence is incorrect, please enlighten me.

 

Best regards,

 

Email: <

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Emmanuel: The parasite that causes cancer is Fasciolopsis buskii.

-

Emmanuel Segmen

Chinese Medicine

Sunday, February 29, 2004 8:04 PM

Re: Cancer, parasites and clinical success

 

 

Hi Phil and All,

 

I agree, Phil, that except for papillomavirus the etiology of cancer has

little to do with infection. Cigarette smoking is clearly shown to cause lung

cancer. It leads to " transformation " of the tissue which makes the tissue

vulnerable to oncogenesis ... firing off of a growth gene promoter. Where's the

infection?

 

I've heard people discuss " parasites " before, but when I ask for which

parasites as you've just done, Phil, they seem not able to answer. This seems

to be an allopathic side of some alternative practitioners. They seem to want

to address infection or some aspect of germ theory without actually having

knowledge of it ... or only wanting to allude to it in some vague sort of way.

If someone can set me straight on this, I'd appreciate it. Thank you.

 

Respectfully,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

 

 

Hi All, & Hi Aqupoint & Chris,

 

Aqupoint wrote:

> Cancer is caused by a parasite, and this mix will kill all 3

> stages.

 

Aqupoint, what is the published evidence that " Cancer is caused

by a parasite " ? What parasite?

 

IMO, that is most unlilkely; if it were true, it would be easy to

control, even prevent, cancer.

 

Chris replied:

> Since most people with cancers have active parasites, one might

> assume the cancer was caused by parasites. Another view is that as

> the bodies biochemistry degrades, there are critters that find the

> body a good host. The cancer is caused by other factors.

 

Agreed. An association per se does NOT prove causality.

 

Chris again:

> It is these factors that give invite to the critters. By killing

> the parasites and increase yang, as these herbs will do, the

> person has an opportunity to heal themselves. I would also include

> Alpha Lipoic acid, Acetyl L Carnitine, curcumin and if you think

> calcium is a good idea, use a source with boron, silica Vit D and

> magnesium. Juicing cucumbers, with a clove of garlic and a little

> beet may also be a god idea. The juice is used by some famous

> healing centers as a part of a live food program. I have seen

> people come in hunched over in a wheel chair and be up with lots

> of energy in a week. Hope this helps, Chris

 

Cancer is a highly complex field - many different types, many

different markers, and (to date) relatively bad clinical success with

any method of therapy. Even the best combinations of allopathic +

herbal remedies known today are a long way from CURING cancer.

 

If my last sentence is incorrect, please enlighten me.

 

Best regards,

Email: <

 

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[Guest guest]

Hello Phil: I have not been at the computer for a few days- I wasn't trying to

avoid the question. The parasite that causes cancer is Fasciolopsis buskii.The

egg is about/10mm. The microscopic hatchlings are called miracidia and are the

second stage. When the eggs reach the liver they will hatch if there is a

presence of propyl alcohol. The miracidia start to make little balls inside

themselves called redia. It leaves the miracidia and begins to reproduce itself.

40 redia can each make 40 more- this is out of 1 egg.These redia are swept along

in your blood landing on whatever tissue lets them in, usually weak tissue-

smokers lungs, breasts with benign lumps etc. Multiplying continues and they

change shape- growing a tail- allowing them to swim- now called cercaria. The

cercaria attaches itself to your tissue, and begins to grow a cocoon. Now it is

called metacercaria. The metacercaria develop an extremely thick shell around

themselves- which it seems is dissolve in propyl alcohol- completing it's life

cycle in your body. When there adults in the liver, a growth factor

" ortho-phospho-tyrosine appears. This is the growth factor proven in Toronto to

be the cause of the excessive growth of the cancer. This parasite has been

studied since 1925 but overlooked. Please go to www.dr.clark.com to find

published evidence of this. I have stopped cancer many times- it doesn't seem to

matter which kind of cancer. If this is not the answer it is 90% of it. The mix

has been tested on many types of parasites and kills about 100 types. Chris

brings up the old saying of the chicken and the egg. This time the body gets the

parasites first- then irritable bowel syndrome- Crohn's Disease- then cancer of

the bowel. Please remember that my response was to a Dr. in England asking for

help for his patient- not meant to be a tell all. If you do follow this

procedure

you will be very surprised and I ask that you let me know about it. And yes- you

can prevent cancer by taking the mix- no parasites- no cancer, but we are very

easily reinfected so you have to take a dose once a week. This is an area where

TCM can shine if you take your blinders off. Western Medicine is looking in the

wrong direction and has most convinced it iis a DNA problem. Bill

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

William Brown <aqupoint wrote:

the mix- no parasites- no cancer,

Can you repeat what the mix is again pls? I have used freq stims and herbs for

parasites before, and new info on the chngng stages is interesting.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi William.

 

" The " parasite that causes cancer (in general?) is Fasciolopsis buskii?

William, I have to assume you're joking, being facetious or pulling my leg a

little. Right? Or perhaps you wish to elaborate. Part of my work is to teach

this topic in physiology. I studied it also as a cell and molecular biologist.

I do have a subscription to Medline. Perhaps you are about to win the Nobel

Prize for your new discovery. Please let me know.

 

Respectfully ... and a little amused, if you don't mind,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

-

William Brown

Chinese Medicine

Monday, March 01, 2004 3:52 PM

Re: Cancer, parasites and clinical success

 

 

Emmanuel: The parasite that causes cancer is Fasciolopsis buskii.

-

Emmanuel Segmen

Chinese Medicine

Sunday, February 29, 2004 8:04 PM

Re: Cancer, parasites and clinical success

 

 

Hi Phil and All,

 

I agree, Phil, that except for papillomavirus the etiology of cancer has

little to do with infection. Cigarette smoking is clearly shown to cause lung

cancer. It leads to " transformation " of the tissue which makes the tissue

vulnerable to oncogenesis ... firing off of a growth gene promoter. Where's the

infection?

 

I've heard people discuss " parasites " before, but when I ask for which

parasites as you've just done, Phil, they seem not able to answer. This seems

to be an allopathic side of some alternative practitioners. They seem to want

to address infection or some aspect of germ theory without actually having

knowledge of it ... or only wanting to allude to it in some vague sort of way.

If someone can set me straight on this, I'd appreciate it. Thank you.

 

Respectfully,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

 

 

Hi All, & Hi Aqupoint & Chris,

 

Aqupoint wrote:

> Cancer is caused by a parasite, and this mix will kill all 3

> stages.

 

Aqupoint, what is the published evidence that " Cancer is caused

by a parasite " ? What parasite?

 

IMO, that is most unlilkely; if it were true, it would be easy to

control, even prevent, cancer.

 

Chris replied:

> Since most people with cancers have active parasites, one might

> assume the cancer was caused by parasites. Another view is that as

> the bodies biochemistry degrades, there are critters that find the

> body a good host. The cancer is caused by other factors.

 

Agreed. An association per se does NOT prove causality.

 

Chris again:

> It is these factors that give invite to the critters. By killing

> the parasites and increase yang, as these herbs will do, the

> person has an opportunity to heal themselves. I would also include

> Alpha Lipoic acid, Acetyl L Carnitine, curcumin and if you think

> calcium is a good idea, use a source with boron, silica Vit D and

> magnesium. Juicing cucumbers, with a clove of garlic and a little

> beet may also be a god idea. The juice is used by some famous

> healing centers as a part of a live food program. I have seen

> people come in hunched over in a wheel chair and be up with lots

> of energy in a week. Hope this helps, Chris

 

Cancer is a highly complex field - many different types, many

different markers, and (to date) relatively bad clinical success with

any method of therapy. Even the best combinations of allopathic +

herbal remedies known today are a long way from CURING cancer.

 

If my last sentence is incorrect, please enlighten me.

 

Best regards,

Email: <

 

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[Guest guest]

Bill,

 

I heartily agree that Chinese medicine can shine in the realm of treating

various forms of cancer.

 

As to the rest of your allopathic presentation ... I did a broad search back to

1960. Fasciolopsis buskii has not been " overlooked " . It's been studied and 46

papers have been published in peer-review journals in the past 44 years. I took

the time to read this literature. Fasciolopsis buskii infects worms, not

humans. It has as hard time to infect any mammal, whatsoever. Mice, rats, all

primates (including humans) and dogs were found to be completely refractory (no

infection.) Guinea pigs were partially susceptible and newborn rabbits were

fairly susceptible and the only mammalian animal model for researching

Fasciolopsis buskii. The only presence in humans was found in a few individuals

in third world countries with liver flukes. That's because Fasciolopsis buskii

infects various kinds of worms including flukes .... not humans! If you don't

have a fluke or other parasitic worm infection, you can't get Fasciolopsis

buskii inside your body. It has such a hard time to infect mammals that finding

an animal model to study this organism was very difficult. See: " The

susceptibility of mammals to Fasciolopsis buskii. " J Helminthol 1985

Mar;59(1):19-22 (ISSN: 002-149X) Malviya HC. (England)

 

I'm sorry, Bill, I found your presentation to be profoundly bogus.

 

Chinese medicine formulas that address various types of cancer are not based on

treating human infections of Fasciolopsis buski. Such infections do not exist

except in a fairly active imagination.

 

Respectfully,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

 

-

William Brown

Chinese Medicine

Monday, March 01, 2004 4:27 PM

Re: Cancer, parasites and clinical success

 

 

Hello Phil: I have not been at the computer for a few days- I wasn't trying to

avoid the question. The parasite that causes cancer is Fasciolopsis buskii.The

egg is about/10mm. The microscopic hatchlings are called miracidia and are the

second stage. When the eggs reach the liver they will hatch if there is a

presence of propyl alcohol. The miracidia start to make little balls inside

themselves called redia. It leaves the miracidia and begins to reproduce itself.

40 redia can each make 40 more- this is out of 1 egg.These redia are swept along

in your blood landing on whatever tissue lets them in, usually weak tissue-

smokers lungs, breasts with benign lumps etc. Multiplying continues and they

change shape- growing a tail- allowing them to swim- now called cercaria. The

cercaria attaches itself to your tissue, and begins to grow a cocoon. Now it is

called metacercaria. The metacercaria develop an extremely thick shell around

themselves- which it seems is dissolve in propyl alcohol- completing it's life

cycle in your body. When there adults in the liver, a growth factor

" ortho-phospho-tyrosine appears. This is the growth factor proven in Toronto to

be the cause of the excessive growth of the cancer. This parasite has been

studied since 1925 but overlooked. Please go to www.dr.clark.com to find

published evidence of this. I have stopped cancer many times- it doesn't seem to

matter which kind of cancer. If this is not the answer it is 90% of it. The mix

has been tested on many types of parasites and kills about 100 types. Chris

brings up the old saying of the chicken and the egg. This time the body gets the

parasites first- then irritable bowel syndrome- Crohn's Disease- then cancer of

the bowel. Please remember that my response was to a Dr. in England asking for

help for his patient- not meant to be a tell all. If you do follow this

procedure

you will be very surprised and I ask that you let me know about it. And yes-

you can prevent cancer by taking the mix- no parasites- no cancer, but we are

very easily reinfected so you have to take a dose once a week. This is an area

where TCM can shine if you take your blinders off. Western Medicine is looking

in the wrong direction and has most convinced it iis a DNA problem. Bill

 

 

[Guest guest]

Bill,

 

I heartily agree that Chinese medicine can shine in the realm of

treating various forms of cancer.

 

As to the rest of your allopathic presentation ... I did a broad

search back to 1960. Fasciolopsis buskii has not been " overlooked " .

It's been studied and 46 papers have been published in peer-review

journals in the past 44 years. I took the time to read this

literature. Fasciolopsis buskii infects worms, not humans. It has

as hard time to infect any mammal, whatsoever. Mice, rats, all

primates (including humans) and dogs were found to be completely

refractory (no infection.) Guinea pigs were partially susceptible

and newborn rabbits were fairly susceptible and the only mammalian

animal model for researching Fasciolopsis buskii. The only presence

in humans was found in a few individuals in third world countries

with liver flukes. That's because Fasciolopsis buskii infects

various kinds of worms including flukes .... not humans! If you

don't have a fluke or other parasitic worm infection, you can't get

Fasciolopsis buskii inside your body. It has such a hard time to

infect mammals that finding an animal model to study this organism

was very difficult. See: " The susceptibility of mammals to

Fasciolopsis buskii. " J Helminthol 1985 Mar;59(1):19-22 (ISSN: 002-

149X) Malviya HC. (England)

 

I'm sorry, Bill, I found your presentation to be profoundly bogus.

 

Chinese medicine formulas that address various types of cancer are

not based on treating human infections of Fasciolopsis buski. Such

infections do not exist except in a fairly active imagination.

 

Respectfully,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " William Brown "

<aqupoint@r...> wrote:

> Hello Phil: I have not been at the computer for a few days- I

wasn't trying to avoid the question. The parasite that causes cancer

is Fasciolopsis buskii.The egg is about/10mm. The microscopic

hatchlings are called miracidia and are the second stage. When the

eggs reach the liver they will hatch if there is a presence of

propyl alcohol. The miracidia start to make little balls inside

themselves called redia. It leaves the miracidia and begins to

reproduce itself. 40 redia can each make 40 more- this is out of 1

egg.These redia are swept along in your blood landing on whatever

tissue lets them in, usually weak tissue- smokers lungs, breasts with

benign lumps etc. Multiplying continues and they change shape-

growing a tail- allowing them to swim- now called cercaria. The

cercaria attaches itself to your tissue, and begins to grow a cocoon.

Now it is called metacercaria. The metacercaria develop an extremely

thick shell around themselves- which it seems is dissolve in propyl

alcohol- completing it's life cycle in your body. When there adults

in the liver, a growth factor " ortho-phospho-tyrosine appears. This

is the growth factor proven in Toronto to be the cause of the

excessive growth of the cancer. This parasite has been studied since

1925 but overlooked. Please go to www.dr.clark.com to find published

evidence of this. I have stopped cancer many times- it doesn't seem

to matter which kind of cancer. If this is not the answer it is 90%

of it. The mix has been tested on many types of parasites and kills

about 100 types. Chris brings up the old saying of the chicken and

the egg. This time the body gets the parasites first- then irritable

bowel syndrome- Crohn's Disease- then cancer of the bowel. Please

remember that my response was to a Dr. in England asking for help for

his patient- not meant to be a tell all. If you do follow this

procedure

> you will be very surprised and I ask that you let me know about it.

And yes- you can prevent cancer by taking the mix- no parasites- no

cancer, but we are very easily reinfected so you have to take a dose

once a week. This is an area where TCM can shine if you take your

blinders off. Western Medicine is looking in the wrong direction and

has most convinced it iis a DNA problem. Bill

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Pardon me, Bill.

 

It turns out upon further reading that this fluke does infect snails, pigs and

human children in China and Thailand. This is the result of eating unwashed and

uncooked roots and tubers from local rivers. None of the papers report any

correlation to cancer. Nor do they report a correlation to adult human

infection. Where have you found this in any peer-reviewed journal? My error

below resulted from getting myopically caught up in the fascinating reading of a

few of the papers.

 

Respectfully,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

-Emmanuel Segmen wrote:

 

 

Bill,

 

I heartily agree that Chinese medicine can shine in the realm of treating

various forms of cancer.

 

As to the rest of your allopathic presentation ... I did a broad search back to

1960. Fasciolopsis buskii has not been " overlooked " . It's been studied and 46

papers have been published in peer-review journals in the past 44 years. I took

the time to read this literature. Fasciolopsis buskii infects worms, not

humans. It has as hard time to infect any mammal, whatsoever. Mice, rats, all

primates (including humans) and dogs were found to be completely refractory (no

infection.) Guinea pigs were partially susceptible and newborn rabbits were

fairly susceptible and the only mammalian animal model for researching

Fasciolopsis buskii. The only presence in humans was found in a few individuals

in third world countries with liver flukes. That's because Fasciolopsis buskii

infects various kinds of worms including flukes .... not humans! If you don't

have a fluke or other parasitic worm infection, you can't get Fasciolopsis

buskii inside your body. It has such a hard time to infect mammals that finding

an animal model to study this organism was very difficult. See: " The

susceptibility of mammals to Fasciolopsis buskii. " J Helminthol 1985

Mar;59(1):19-22 (ISSN: 002-149X) Malviya HC. (England)

 

I'm sorry, Bill, I found your presentation to be profoundly bogus.

 

Chinese medicine formulas that address various types of cancer are not based on

treating human infections of Fasciolopsis buski. Such infections do not exist

except in a fairly active imagination.

 

Respectfully,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

 

-

William Brown

Chinese Medicine

Monday, March 01, 2004 4:27 PM

Re: Cancer, parasites and clinical success

 

 

Hello Phil: I have not been at the computer for a few days- I wasn't trying to

avoid the question. The parasite that causes cancer is Fasciolopsis buskii.The

egg is about/10mm. The microscopic hatchlings are called miracidia and are the

second stage. When the eggs reach the liver they will hatch if there is a

presence of propyl alcohol. The miracidia start to make little balls inside

themselves called redia. It leaves the miracidia and begins to reproduce itself.

40 redia can each make 40 more- this is out of 1 egg.These redia are swept along

in your blood landing on whatever tissue lets them in, usually weak tissue-

smokers lungs, breasts with benign lumps etc. Multiplying continues and they

change shape- growing a tail- allowing them to swim- now called cercaria. The

cercaria attaches itself to your tissue, and begins to grow a cocoon. Now it is

called metacercaria. The metacercaria develop an extremely thick shell around

themselves- which it seems is dissolve in propyl alcohol- completing it's life

cycle in your body. When there adults in the liver, a growth factor

" ortho-phospho-tyrosine appears. This is the growth factor proven in Toronto to

be the cause of the excessive growth of the cancer. This parasite has been

studied since 1925 but overlooked. Please go to www.dr.clark.com to find

published evidence of this. I have stopped cancer many times- it doesn't seem to

matter which kind of cancer. If this is not the answer it is 90% of it. The mix

has been tested on many types of parasites and kills about 100 types. Chris

brings up the old saying of the chicken and the egg. This time the body gets the

parasites first- then irritable bowel syndrome- Crohn's Disease- then cancer of

the bowel. Please remember that my response was to a Dr. in England asking for

help for his patient- not meant to be a tell all. If you do follow this

procedure

you will be very surprised and I ask that you let me know about it. And yes-

you can prevent cancer by taking the mix- no parasites- no cancer, but we are

very easily reinfected so you have to take a dose once a week. This is an area

where TCM can shine if you take your blinders off. Western Medicine is looking

in the wrong direction and has most convinced it iis a DNA problem. Bill

 

 

[Guest guest]

on 3/2/04 2:33 AM, Musiclear at Musiclear wrote:

 

Hypocrites Heath Institute

Wonderful mispelling! I guess you meant the Hypocrates Health Institute as I

doubt if anybody would trust an institute of hypocrites, healthy or not

 

regards,

 

PJ

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

on 3/2/04 2:07 AM, Emmanuel Segmen at susegmen wrote:

 

Hi William.

 

" The " parasite that causes cancer (in general?) is Fasciolopsis buskii?

William, I have to assume you're joking, being facetious or pulling my leg a

little. Right? Or perhaps you wish to elaborate. Part of my work is to

teach this topic in physiology. I studied it also as a cell and molecular

biologist. I do have a subscription to Medline. Perhaps you are about to

win the Nobel Prize for your new discovery. Please let me know.

 

Respectfully ... and a little amused, if you don't mind,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

-

William Brown

Chinese Medicine

Monday, March 01, 2004 3:52 PM

Re: Cancer, parasites and clinical success

 

 

Emmanuel: The parasite that causes cancer is Fasciolopsis buskii.

-

Emmanuel Segmen

Chinese Medicine

Sunday, February 29, 2004 8:04 PM

Re: Cancer, parasites and clinical success

 

 

Hi Phil and All,

 

I agree, Phil, that except for papillomavirus the etiology of cancer has

little to do with infection. Cigarette smoking is clearly shown to cause

lung cancer. It leads to " transformation " of the tissue which makes the

tissue vulnerable to oncogenesis ... firing off of a growth gene promoter.

Where's the infection?

 

I've heard people discuss " parasites " before, but when I ask for which

parasites as you've just done, Phil, they seem not able to answer. This

seems to be an allopathic side of some alternative practitioners. They seem

to want to address infection or some aspect of germ theory without actually

having knowledge of it ... or only wanting to allude to it in some vague

sort of way. If someone can set me straight on this, I'd appreciate it.

Thank you.

 

Respectfully,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

 

 

Hi All, & Hi Aqupoint & Chris,

 

Aqupoint wrote:

> Cancer is caused by a parasite, and this mix will kill all 3

> stages.

 

Aqupoint, what is the published evidence that " Cancer is caused

by a parasite " ? What parasite?

 

IMO, that is most unlilkely; if it were true, it would be easy to

control, even prevent, cancer.

 

Chris replied:

> Since most people with cancers have active parasites, one might

> assume the cancer was caused by parasites. Another view is that as

> the bodies biochemistry degrades, there are critters that find the

> body a good host. The cancer is caused by other factors.

 

Agreed. An association per se does NOT prove causality.

 

Chris again:

> It is these factors that give invite to the critters. By killing

> the parasites and increase yang, as these herbs will do, the

> person has an opportunity to heal themselves. I would also include

> Alpha Lipoic acid, Acetyl L Carnitine, curcumin and if you think

> calcium is a good idea, use a source with boron, silica Vit D and

> magnesium. Juicing cucumbers, with a clove of garlic and a little

> beet may also be a god idea. The juice is used by some famous

> healing centers as a part of a live food program. I have seen

> people come in hunched over in a wheel chair and be up with lots

> of energy in a week. Hope this helps, Chris

 

Cancer is a highly complex field - many different types, many

different markers, and (to date) relatively bad clinical success with

any method of therapy. Even the best combinations of allopathic +

herbal remedies known today are a long way from CURING cancer.

 

If my last sentence is incorrect, please enlighten me.

 

Best regards,

Email: <

 

 

 

Hello, most of the stuff on cancer and parasite come from Hulda Clark, a

weirdo claiming to be a doctor of some kind ;

Read this from Quack Buster ( I do not often agree with the ranting of

Stephen Barrett, but sometimes he is correct.)

I wish it would be so simple to cure cancer, i also wish that good

therapist, genuinely interested in helping people to get better, would not

be so naive

 

Regards,

 

 

PJ

 

------

 

 

 

Hulda Regehr Clark, 72, claims to cure cancer, AIDS, and many other serious

diseases. She describes herself as an " independent research scientist " with

bachelor and master's degrees from the University of Saskatchewan and a

Ph.D. degree in physiology from the University of Minnesota (1958). She also

lists a naturopathic (N.D.) degree from the Clayton College of Natural

Health [1]. Clayton is a nonaccredited correspondence school founded in 1980

and located in Birmingham Alabama. In 1985, when this school was called Dr.

Clayton's School of Natural Healing, its " Doctor of Naturopathy " course was

described in a magazine article as a " 100-hour course " for which the tuition

was $695 [2].

 

For several years, Clark's treatment has been administered at Century

Nutrition, a clinic in Tijuana, Mexico, where the basic fee for two weeks of

" treatment " was $4,500 (plus 10% tax). This figure does not include the cost

of a motel room (approximately $210/week); meals ($250/week); blood tests

($70 each); standard diagnostic imaging tests ($40 to $400); dental x-rays

(at least $206); " individually tailored " supplements ($400 to $1,500 for a

month supply); equipment (about $350); tooth extractions ($80 each); and

partial or full dentures ($450).

 

Bizarre Claims

 

Clark claims that all cancers and many other diseases are caused by

" parasites, toxins, and pollutants " and can be cured by killing the

parasites and ridding the body of environmental chemicals. In a videotaped

presentation, she said that all diseases are caused by a combination of a

parisite and a pollutant [3]. Her book The Cure for All Cancers states:

 

 

All cancers are alike. They are all caused by a parasite. A single parasite!

It is the human intestinal fluke. And if you kill this parasite, the cancer

stops immediately. The tissue becomes normal again. In order to get cancer,

you must have this parasite. . . .

 

This parasite typically lives in the intestine where it might do little

harm, causing only colitis, Crohn's disease or irritable bowel syndrome, or

perhaps nothing at all. But if it invades a different organ, like the

uterus, kidneys or liver, it does a great deal of harm. If it establishes

itself in the liver, it causes cancer! It only establishes itself in the

liver of some people. These people have propyl alcohol in their body. All

cancer patients (100%) have both propyl alcohol and the intestinal fluke in

their livers. The solvent propyl alcohol is responsible for letting the

fluke establish itself in the liver. In order to get cancer, you must have

both the parasite and propyl alcohol in your body [4:1-2].

 

Clark further alleges:

 

* The adult liver fluke -- which she misspells as Faciolopsis buskii --

" stays stuck to our intestine, (or liver, causing cancer, or uterus, causing

endometriosis, or thymus, causing AIDS, or kidney, causing Hodgkin's

disease). " [4:4] Or the pancreas, causing diabetes; the brain, causing

Alzheimer's disease; the prostate (causing prostatitis; or the skin if you

have Kaposi's sarcoma [4:35].

* As soon as there are adults in the liver. . . . a growth factor, called

ortho-phospho-tyrosine appears. Growth factors make cells divide. Now YOUR

cells will begin to divide too! Now you have cancer. . . . Having propyl

alcohol in your body allows the fluke to develop outside of the intestine

[4:8].

* When the fluke and all its stages have been killed, the

ortho-phospho-tyrosine is gone! Your cancer is gone [4:9].

* Clearly, you must do 3 things: (1) Kill the parasite and all its

stages; (2) stop letting propyl alcohol into your body; and (3) flush out

the metals and common toxins from your body so you can get well [4:10].

* It is not unusual for someone to have a dozen (or more) of the

parasites I have samples of. You can assume that you, too, have a dozen

different parasites [4:10].

* Three herbs, used together, can rid you of over 100 types of parasites:

black walnut hulls, wormwood, and common cloves [4:11-12]. But the amino

acids ornithine and arginine improve this recipe [4:15].

* Use of these five products will kill the cancer-causing fluke in the

first five days and the remaining parasites in another two weeks [4:19].

* It takes 5 days to be cured of cancer regardless of the type you have.

Surgery, radiation, or chemotherapy can be canceled because, after Clark's

recipe cures the cancer, it cannot come back [4:introductory passage].

* All metal (fillings, crowns, bridges, etc.) should be removed from the

mouth, and all teeth with root canals should be extracted, because their

presence damages the immune system [4:46-48].

* To prevent recurrence, stay on a maintenance program of killing

parasites and give yourself a high-dose program at least twice a year. Also

treat all family members and household pets [4:23-26].

* The method is 100% effective in stopping cancer regardless of the type

of cancer or how terminal it may be. It follows that this method must work

for you, too, if you are able to carry out the instructions. [4:120]

* No matter what kind of cancer you have (or HIV or pains or weakness), a

complete program of lifting the burdens on your immune system will

miraculously clear it up. [4:372]

 

All of the above notions are absurd. In a recent talk that attacked

widespread misbeliefs about parasites, the president of the American Society

of Parasitologists noted that if Clark's pseudoscientific claims were

correct, " the medical establishment and . . . professional pathologists are

guilty of a gigantic and cruel fraud on the public. " [5]

 

Patients who " cleanse " their intestines with Clark's recommended herbs may

excrete what they think are parasites. However, in one instance I know of, a

specimen of " parasites " turned out to be citrus fibers, presumably from

grapefruit juice used for the " cleanse. " In another, reported in a medical

journal, the " parasites " turned out to be ordinary fecal material [6].

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

There is no name in TCM for what is known as cancer in WM.

 

What justice do we do to a patient with WM labels? There are unlimited

doctors and institutions

who work with WM concepts when dealing with carcinoma. Are TCM practitioners

to jump

on the bandwagon?

 

If you work with someone who came in with a WM diagnosis of lymphosacrcoma,

he or she does

not want you to treat by WM tenets, but help with TCM methodolgies.

 

Can one do that while accepting labels like sarcoma and lipoma and adenoma?

 

Dr. Holmes Keikobad

MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

www.acu-free.com - home based recertification for acupuncturists and health

professionals

[Guest guest]

Thanks, PJ.

 

I tried looking this up on snopes but didn't get anywhere. Glad you found the

item on Quack Busters. I've been dealing with the " parasite " problem from

frightened patients of naturopaths for the last fourteen years. It's quite

amazing how many people believe that they have parasites without ever having

been tested for them. They could have saved much worry and lots of dollars if

they had simply had lab tests done.

 

In gratitude,

Emmanuel Segmen

-

Heretix

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, March 03, 2004 1:05 AM

Re: Cancer, parasites and clinical success

 

 

on 3/2/04 2:07 AM, Emmanuel Segmen at susegmen wrote:

 

Hi William.

 

" The " parasite that causes cancer (in general?) is Fasciolopsis buskii?

William, I have to assume you're joking, being facetious or pulling my leg a

little. Right? Or perhaps you wish to elaborate. Part of my work is to

teach this topic in physiology. I studied it also as a cell and molecular

biologist. I do have a subscription to Medline. Perhaps you are about to

win the Nobel Prize for your new discovery. Please let me know.

 

Respectfully ... and a little amused, if you don't mind,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

-

William Brown

Chinese Medicine

Monday, March 01, 2004 3:52 PM

Re: Cancer, parasites and clinical success

 

 

Emmanuel: The parasite that causes cancer is Fasciolopsis buskii.

-

Emmanuel Segmen

Chinese Medicine

Sunday, February 29, 2004 8:04 PM

Re: Cancer, parasites and clinical success

 

 

Hi Phil and All,

 

I agree, Phil, that except for papillomavirus the etiology of cancer has

little to do with infection. Cigarette smoking is clearly shown to cause

lung cancer. It leads to " transformation " of the tissue which makes the

tissue vulnerable to oncogenesis ... firing off of a growth gene promoter.

Where's the infection?

 

I've heard people discuss " parasites " before, but when I ask for which

parasites as you've just done, Phil, they seem not able to answer. This

seems to be an allopathic side of some alternative practitioners. They seem

to want to address infection or some aspect of germ theory without actually

having knowledge of it ... or only wanting to allude to it in some vague

sort of way. If someone can set me straight on this, I'd appreciate it.

Thank you.

 

Respectfully,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

 

 

Hi All, & Hi Aqupoint & Chris,

 

Aqupoint wrote:

> Cancer is caused by a parasite, and this mix will kill all 3

> stages.

 

Aqupoint, what is the published evidence that " Cancer is caused

by a parasite " ? What parasite?

 

IMO, that is most unlilkely; if it were true, it would be easy to

control, even prevent, cancer.

 

Chris replied:

> Since most people with cancers have active parasites, one might

> assume the cancer was caused by parasites. Another view is that as

> the bodies biochemistry degrades, there are critters that find the

> body a good host. The cancer is caused by other factors.

 

Agreed. An association per se does NOT prove causality.

 

Chris again:

> It is these factors that give invite to the critters. By killing

> the parasites and increase yang, as these herbs will do, the

> person has an opportunity to heal themselves. I would also include

> Alpha Lipoic acid, Acetyl L Carnitine, curcumin and if you think

> calcium is a good idea, use a source with boron, silica Vit D and

> magnesium. Juicing cucumbers, with a clove of garlic and a little

> beet may also be a god idea. The juice is used by some famous

> healing centers as a part of a live food program. I have seen

> people come in hunched over in a wheel chair and be up with lots

> of energy in a week. Hope this helps, Chris

 

Cancer is a highly complex field - many different types, many

different markers, and (to date) relatively bad clinical success with

any method of therapy. Even the best combinations of allopathic +

herbal remedies known today are a long way from CURING cancer.

 

If my last sentence is incorrect, please enlighten me.

 

Best regards,

Email: <

 

 

 

Hello, most of the stuff on cancer and parasite come from Hulda Clark, a

weirdo claiming to be a doctor of some kind ;

Read this from Quack Buster ( I do not often agree with the ranting of

Stephen Barrett, but sometimes he is correct.)

I wish it would be so simple to cure cancer, i also wish that good

therapist, genuinely interested in helping people to get better, would not

be so naive

 

Regards,

 

 

PJ

 

------

 

 

 

Hulda Regehr Clark, 72, claims to cure cancer, AIDS, and many other serious

diseases. She describes herself as an " independent research scientist " with

bachelor and master's degrees from the University of Saskatchewan and a

Ph.D. degree in physiology from the University of Minnesota (1958). She also

lists a naturopathic (N.D.) degree from the Clayton College of Natural

Health [1]. Clayton is a nonaccredited correspondence school founded in 1980

and located in Birmingham Alabama. In 1985, when this school was called Dr.

Clayton's School of Natural Healing, its " Doctor of Naturopathy " course was

described in a magazine article as a " 100-hour course " for which the tuition

was $695 [2].

 

For several years, Clark's treatment has been administered at Century

Nutrition, a clinic in Tijuana, Mexico, where the basic fee for two weeks of

" treatment " was $4,500 (plus 10% tax). This figure does not include the cost

of a motel room (approximately $210/week); meals ($250/week); blood tests

($70 each); standard diagnostic imaging tests ($40 to $400); dental x-rays

(at least $206); " individually tailored " supplements ($400 to $1,500 for a

month supply); equipment (about $350); tooth extractions ($80 each); and

partial or full dentures ($450).

 

Bizarre Claims

 

Clark claims that all cancers and many other diseases are caused by

" parasites, toxins, and pollutants " and can be cured by killing the

parasites and ridding the body of environmental chemicals. In a videotaped

presentation, she said that all diseases are caused by a combination of a

parisite and a pollutant [3]. Her book The Cure for All Cancers states:

 

 

All cancers are alike. They are all caused by a parasite. A single parasite!

It is the human intestinal fluke. And if you kill this parasite, the cancer

stops immediately. The tissue becomes normal again. In order to get cancer,

you must have this parasite. . . .

 

This parasite typically lives in the intestine where it might do little

harm, causing only colitis, Crohn's disease or irritable bowel syndrome, or

perhaps nothing at all. But if it invades a different organ, like the

uterus, kidneys or liver, it does a great deal of harm. If it establishes

itself in the liver, it causes cancer! It only establishes itself in the

liver of some people. These people have propyl alcohol in their body. All

cancer patients (100%) have both propyl alcohol and the intestinal fluke in

their livers. The solvent propyl alcohol is responsible for letting the

fluke establish itself in the liver. In order to get cancer, you must have

both the parasite and propyl alcohol in your body [4:1-2].

 

Clark further alleges:

 

* The adult liver fluke -- which she misspells as Faciolopsis buskii --

" stays stuck to our intestine, (or liver, causing cancer, or uterus, causing

endometriosis, or thymus, causing AIDS, or kidney, causing Hodgkin's

disease). " [4:4] Or the pancreas, causing diabetes; the brain, causing

Alzheimer's disease; the prostate (causing prostatitis; or the skin if you

have Kaposi's sarcoma [4:35].

* As soon as there are adults in the liver. . . . a growth factor, called

ortho-phospho-tyrosine appears. Growth factors make cells divide. Now YOUR

cells will begin to divide too! Now you have cancer. . . . Having propyl

alcohol in your body allows the fluke to develop outside of the intestine

[4:8].

* When the fluke and all its stages have been killed, the

ortho-phospho-tyrosine is gone! Your cancer is gone [4:9].

* Clearly, you must do 3 things: (1) Kill the parasite and all its

stages; (2) stop letting propyl alcohol into your body; and (3) flush out

the metals and common toxins from your body so you can get well [4:10].

* It is not unusual for someone to have a dozen (or more) of the

parasites I have samples of. You can assume that you, too, have a dozen

different parasites [4:10].

* Three herbs, used together, can rid you of over 100 types of parasites:

black walnut hulls, wormwood, and common cloves [4:11-12]. But the amino

acids ornithine and arginine improve this recipe [4:15].

* Use of these five products will kill the cancer-causing fluke in the

first five days and the remaining parasites in another two weeks [4:19].

* It takes 5 days to be cured of cancer regardless of the type you have.

Surgery, radiation, or chemotherapy can be canceled because, after Clark's

recipe cures the cancer, it cannot come back [4:introductory passage].

* All metal (fillings, crowns, bridges, etc.) should be removed from the

mouth, and all teeth with root canals should be extracted, because their

presence damages the immune system [4:46-48].

* To prevent recurrence, stay on a maintenance program of killing

parasites and give yourself a high-dose program at least twice a year. Also

treat all family members and household pets [4:23-26].

* The method is 100% effective in stopping cancer regardless of the type

of cancer or how terminal it may be. It follows that this method must work

for you, too, if you are able to carry out the instructions. [4:120]

* No matter what kind of cancer you have (or HIV or pains or weakness), a

complete program of lifting the burdens on your immune system will

miraculously clear it up. [4:372]

 

All of the above notions are absurd. In a recent talk that attacked

widespread misbeliefs about parasites, the president of the American Society

of Parasitologists noted that if Clark's pseudoscientific claims were

correct, " the medical establishment and . . . professional pathologists are

guilty of a gigantic and cruel fraud on the public. " [5]

 

Patients who " cleanse " their intestines with Clark's recommended herbs may

excrete what they think are parasites. However, in one instance I know of, a

specimen of " parasites " turned out to be citrus fibers, presumably from

grapefruit juice used for the " cleanse. " In another, reported in a medical

journal, the " parasites " turned out to be ordinary fecal material [6].

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Emmanuel: Respectfully, you should look at this again. If it had been written

down in the books correctly we would not be talking about this. Again, I was

answering an urgent request from a Dr. in England, not trying to change the many

closed minds out there. Cancer patients given this mixture have had their

cancers disappear. All cancer patients studied by Dr. Clark have had parasites.

I don't have a lab to check this out and count on her wisdom and studies for the

proof. All I see is the cancers stopping and the patients getting better.

I am not out for a nobel prize but will use a method that works , time and time

again without causing my patient harm. Go to http://www.drclark.net/ and read

for yourself.

Maybe you have heard of " Taxol " being used effectively as chemo for cancer

patients. Did you know this is an anti-parasitic in TCM! Unfortunately it is not

the best mix and seems effective only on breast, testicular and ovarian cancers-

but it is an anti-parasitic just the same. The difference is the 3 injections

cost $30,000 instead of the raw herb product given for peanuts in comparison.

And- the powers that be have it on the restricted list- so you couldn't get it

anyway. These products that I mentioned will probably end up on the same list

when it is seen as useful. What were you teaching your students about stomach

ulcers? Were you right? Bill

 

Dr. Hulda Clark

 

Hulda Regehr Clark began her studies in biology at the University of

Saskatchewan, Canada, where she was awarded the Bachelor of Arts, Magna Cum

Laude, and the Master of Arts, with High Honors. After two years of study at

McGill University, she attended the University of Minnesota, studying biophysics

and cell physiology. She received her Doctorate degree in physiology in 1958. In

1979 she left government funded research and began private consulting on a full

time basis, after attaining a naturopathy degree at the Clayton College of

Natural Health. Six years later she discovered an electronic technique for

scanning the human body. With it she noticed clues as to the cause of cancer,

HIV and other " mysterious " diseases. Today Dr. Clark puts her methods, her

results, and her conclusions before you. Read her books and recover.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I think the real parasites are the bogus or incompetent natural

therapists who exploit shamelessly vulnerable, often desperate patients

These people often boast of Ph D ( as sold by Anton Jarasuriya in Sri

Lanka for example for a few hundred dollars)

So technically, these patient have parasites, but there is no need for

lab test, just a determined kick up the ass of their therapist should

get rid of the unwanted host.

 

Regards,

 

PJ

On Wednesday, March 3, 2004, at 11:02 pm, Emmanuel Segmen wrote:

 

> Thanks, PJ.

>

> I tried looking this up on snopes but didn't get anywhere.  Glad you

> found the item on Quack Busters.  I've been dealing with the

> " parasite " problem from frightened patients of naturopaths for the

> last fourteen years.  It's quite amazing how many people believe that

> they have parasites without ever having been tested for them.  They

> could have saved much worry and lots of dollars if they had simply had

> lab tests done. 

>

> In gratitude,

> Emmanuel Segmen

>   -

>   Heretix

>   Chinese Medicine

>   Wednesday, March 03, 2004 1:05 AM

>   Re: Cancer, parasites and clinical success

>

>

>   on 3/2/04 2:07 AM, Emmanuel Segmen at susegmen wrote:

>

>   Hi William.

>

>   " The " parasite that causes cancer (in general?) is Fasciolopsis

> buskii?

>   William, I have to assume you're joking, being facetious or pulling

> my leg a

>   little.  Right?  Or perhaps you wish to elaborate.  Part of my work

> is to

>   teach this topic in physiology.  I studied it also as a cell and

> molecular

>   biologist.  I do have a subscription to Medline.  Perhaps you are

> about to

>   win the Nobel Prize for your new discovery.  Please let me know.

>

>   Respectfully ... and a little amused, if you don't mind,

>   Emmanuel Segmen

>

>   -

>   William Brown

>   Chinese Medicine

>   Monday, March 01, 2004 3:52 PM

>   Re: Cancer, parasites and clinical success

>

>

>   Emmanuel: The parasite that causes cancer is Fasciolopsis buskii.

>      -

>      Emmanuel Segmen

>      Chinese Medicine

>      Sunday, February 29, 2004 8:04 PM

>      Re: Cancer, parasites and clinical success

>

>

>      Hi Phil and All,

>

>      I agree, Phil, that except for papillomavirus the etiology of

> cancer has

>   little to do with infection.  Cigarette smoking is clearly shown to

> cause

>   lung cancer.  It leads to " transformation " of the tissue which makes

> the

>   tissue vulnerable to oncogenesis ... firing off of a growth gene

> promoter.

>   Where's the infection?

>

>      I've heard people discuss " parasites " before, but when I ask for

> which

>   parasites as you've just done, Phil, they seem not able to answer. 

> This

>   seems to be an allopathic side of some alternative practitioners. 

> They seem

>   to want to address infection or some aspect of germ theory without

> actually

>   having knowledge of it ... or only wanting to allude to it in some

> vague

>   sort of way.  If someone can set me straight on this, I'd appreciate

> it.

>   Thank you.

>

>      Respectfully,

>      Emmanuel Segmen

>

>

>

>        Hi All, & Hi Aqupoint & Chris,

>

>        Aqupoint wrote:

>        > Cancer is caused by a parasite, and this mix will kill all 3

>        > stages.

>

>        Aqupoint, what is the published evidence that " Cancer is caused

>        by a parasite " ? What parasite?

>

>        IMO, that is most unlilkely; if it were true, it would be easy

> to

>        control, even prevent, cancer.

>

>        Chris replied:

>        > Since most people with cancers have active parasites, one

> might

>        > assume the cancer was caused by parasites. Another view is

> that as

>        > the bodies biochemistry degrades, there are critters that

> find the

>        > body a good host. The cancer is caused by other factors.

>

>        Agreed. An association per se does NOT prove causality.

>

>        Chris again:

>        > It is these factors that give invite to the critters. By

> killing

>        > the parasites and increase yang, as these herbs will do, the

>        > person has an opportunity to heal themselves. I would also

> include

>        > Alpha Lipoic acid, Acetyl L Carnitine, curcumin and if you

> think

>        > calcium is a good idea, use a source with boron, silica Vit D

> and

>        > magnesium. Juicing cucumbers, with a clove of garlic and a

> little

>        > beet may also be a god idea.  The juice is used by some famous

>        > healing centers as a part of a live food program.  I have seen

>        > people come in hunched over in a wheel chair and be up with

> lots

>        > of energy in a week. Hope this helps, Chris

>

>        Cancer is a highly complex field - many different types, many

>        different markers, and (to date) relatively bad clinical

> success with

>        any method of therapy. Even the best combinations of allopathic

> +

>        herbal remedies known today are a long way from CURING cancer.

>

>        If my last sentence is incorrect, please enlighten me.

>

>        Best regards,

>       

>        Email: <

>

>

>

>   Hello, most of the stuff on cancer and parasite come from Hulda

> Clark, a

>   weirdo claiming to be a doctor of some kind ;

>   Read this from Quack Buster ( I do not often agree with the ranting

> of

>   Stephen Barrett, but sometimes he is correct.)

>   I wish it would be so simple to cure cancer, i also wish that good

>   therapist, genuinely interested in helping people to get better,

> would not

>   be so naive

>

>   Regards,

>

>

>   PJ

>

>  

> -----

> -

>

>

>

>   Hulda Regehr Clark, 72, claims to cure cancer, AIDS, and many other

> serious

>   diseases. She describes herself as an " independent research

> scientist " with

>   bachelor and master's degrees from the University of Saskatchewan

> and a

>   Ph.D. degree in physiology from the University of Minnesota (1958).

> She also

>   lists a naturopathic (N.D.) degree from the Clayton College of

> Natural

>   Health [1]. Clayton is a nonaccredited correspondence school founded

> in 1980

>   and located in Birmingham Alabama. In 1985, when this school was

> called Dr.

>   Clayton's School of Natural Healing, its " Doctor of Naturopathy "

> course was

>   described in a magazine article as a " 100-hour course " for which the

> tuition

>   was $695 [2].

>

>   For several years, Clark's treatment has been administered at Century

>   Nutrition, a clinic in Tijuana, Mexico, where the basic fee for two

> weeks of

>   " treatment " was $4,500 (plus 10% tax). This figure does not include

> the cost

>   of a motel room (approximately $210/week); meals ($250/week); blood

> tests

>   ($70 each); standard diagnostic imaging tests ($40 to $400); dental

> x-rays

>   (at least $206); " individually tailored " supplements ($400 to $1,500

> for a

>   month supply); equipment (about $350); tooth extractions ($80 each);

> and

>   partial or full dentures ($450).

>

>   Bizarre Claims

>

>   Clark claims that all cancers and many other diseases are caused by

>   " parasites, toxins, and pollutants " and can be cured by killing the

>   parasites and ridding the body of environmental chemicals. In a

> videotaped

>   presentation, she said that all diseases are caused by a combination

> of a

>   parisite and a pollutant [3]. Her book The Cure for All Cancers

> states:

>

>

>   All cancers are alike. They are all caused by a parasite. A single

> parasite!

>   It is the human intestinal fluke. And if you kill this parasite, the

> cancer

>   stops immediately. The tissue becomes normal again. In order to get

> cancer,

>   you must have this parasite. . . .

>

>   This parasite typically lives in the intestine where it might do

> little

>   harm, causing only colitis, Crohn's disease or irritable bowel

> syndrome, or

>   perhaps nothing at all. But if it invades a different organ, like the

>   uterus, kidneys or liver, it does a great deal of harm. If it

> establishes

>   itself in the liver, it causes cancer! It only establishes itself in

> the

>   liver of some people. These people have propyl alcohol in their

> body. All

>   cancer patients (100%) have both propyl alcohol and the intestinal

> fluke in

>   their livers. The solvent propyl alcohol is responsible for letting

> the

>   fluke establish itself in the liver. In order to get cancer, you

> must have

>   both the parasite and propyl alcohol in your body [4:1-2].

>

>   Clark further alleges:

>

>   *    The adult liver fluke -- which she misspells as Faciolopsis

> buskii --

>   " stays stuck to our intestine, (or liver, causing cancer, or uterus,

> causing

>   endometriosis, or thymus, causing AIDS, or kidney, causing Hodgkin's

>   disease). " [4:4] Or the pancreas, causing diabetes; the brain,

> causing

>   Alzheimer's disease; the prostate (causing prostatitis; or the skin

> if you

>   have Kaposi's sarcoma [4:35].

>   *    As soon as there are adults in the liver. . . . a growth

> factor, called

>   ortho-phospho-tyrosine appears. Growth factors make cells divide.

> Now YOUR

>   cells will begin to divide too! Now you have cancer. . . . Having

> propyl

>   alcohol in your body allows the fluke to develop outside of the

> intestine

>   [4:8].

>   *    When the fluke and all its stages have been killed, the

>   ortho-phospho-tyrosine is gone! Your cancer is gone [4:9].

>   *    Clearly, you must do 3 things: (1) Kill the parasite and all its

>   stages; (2) stop letting propyl alcohol into your body; and (3)

> flush out

>   the metals and common toxins from your body so you can get well

> [4:10].

>   *    It is not unusual for someone to have a dozen (or more) of the

>   parasites I have samples of. You can assume that you, too, have a

> dozen

>   different parasites [4:10].

>   *    Three herbs, used together, can rid you of over 100 types of

> parasites:

>   black walnut hulls, wormwood, and common cloves [4:11-12]. But the

> amino

>   acids ornithine and arginine improve this recipe [4:15].

>   *    Use of these five products will kill the cancer-causing fluke

> in the

>   first five days and the remaining parasites in another two weeks

> [4:19].

>   *    It takes 5 days to be cured of cancer regardless of the type

> you have.

>   Surgery, radiation, or chemotherapy can be canceled because, after

> Clark's

>   recipe cures the cancer, it cannot come back [4:introductory

> passage].

>   *    All metal (fillings, crowns, bridges, etc.) should be removed

> from the

>   mouth, and all teeth with root canals should be extracted, because

> their

>   presence damages the immune system [4:46-48].

>   *    To prevent recurrence, stay on a maintenance program of killing

>   parasites and give yourself a high-dose program at least twice a

> year. Also

>   treat all family members and household pets [4:23-26].

>   *    The method is 100% effective in stopping cancer regardless of

> the type

>   of cancer or how terminal it may be. It follows that this method

> must work

>   for you, too, if you are able to carry out the instructions. [4:120]

>   *    No matter what kind of cancer you have (or HIV or pains or

> weakness), a

>   complete program of lifting the burdens on your immune system will

>   miraculously clear it up. [4:372]

>

>   All of the above notions are absurd. In a recent talk that attacked

>   widespread misbeliefs about parasites, the president of the American

> Society

>   of Parasitologists noted that if Clark's pseudoscientific claims were

>   correct, " the medical establishment and . . . professional

> pathologists are

>   guilty of a gigantic and cruel fraud on the public. " [5]

>

>   Patients who " cleanse " their intestines with Clark's recommended

> herbs may

>   excrete what they think are parasites. However, in one instance I

> know of, a

>   specimen of " parasites " turned out to be citrus fibers, presumably

> from

>   grapefruit juice used for the " cleanse. " In another, reported in a

> medical

>   journal, the " parasites " turned out to be ordinary fecal material

> [6].

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

       

>

>

>  

[Guest guest]

Bill,

 

It's interesting to hear of your personal success. However, if your personal

success is not repeatable in other settings, if it has not be peer-reviewed, if

it breaks with all axes of conventional wisdom and current knowledge, you can't

expect to have a respectful conversation about this. Respectful conversation is

based not on persuasion or salesmanship, but rather on what's stated above.

Your thesis does not meet any criteria that I can personally think of or imagine

from Western science, Western medicine nor Chinese medicine.

 

Having visited Dr. Clark's site, read about Dr. Clark in Quackbusters, and

seeing that Dr. Clark has never been published in a peer-reviewed journal, I

have to respectfully conclude that Dr. Clark has no useful information to offer.

 

Thus, Bill, I must respectfully note with all due consideration that your thesis

is not based on any demonstrated and responsible evidence. I am also amused

that you've asked people directly for money on this list. At this time I would

suggest that there needs to be a point of order regarding this thread.

Hopefully you can conduct your personal business off list.

 

Respectfully,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

 

-

William Brown

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:42 PM

Re: Cancer, parasites and clinical success

 

 

Emmanuel: Respectfully, you should look at this again. If it had been written

down in the books correctly we would not be talking about this. Again, I was

answering an urgent request from a Dr. in England, not trying to change the many

closed minds out there. Cancer patients given this mixture have had their

cancers disappear. All cancer patients studied by Dr. Clark have had parasites.

I don't have a lab to check this out and count on her wisdom and studies for the

proof. All I see is the cancers stopping and the patients getting better.

I am not out for a nobel prize but will use a method that works , time and

time again without causing my patient harm. Go to http://www.drclark.net/ and

read for yourself.

Maybe you have heard of " Taxol " being used effectively as chemo for cancer

patients. Did you know this is an anti-parasitic in TCM! Unfortunately it is not

the best mix and seems effective only on breast, testicular and ovarian cancers-

but it is an anti-parasitic just the same. The difference is the 3 injections

cost $30,000 instead of the raw herb product given for peanuts in comparison.

And- the powers that be have it on the restricted list- so you couldn't get it

anyway. These products that I mentioned will probably end up on the same list

when it is seen as useful. What were you teaching your students about stomach

ulcers? Were you right? Bill

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi PJ,

 

I would have to agree with your comments. And I again appreciate your time

and energy in helping me check on the authenticity of this issue. I've just

pointed out that there needs to be a point of order on this thread.

Hopefully, Attilio will step in here though he's pretty busy just now.

 

In gratitude,

Emmanuel Segmen

 

-

" Pierre jean cousin "

 

I think the real parasites are the bogus or incompetent natural

therapists who exploit shamelessly vulnerable, often desperate patients

These people often boast of Ph D ( as sold by Anton Jarasuriya in Sri

Lanka for example for a few hundred dollars)

So technically, these patient have parasites, but there is no need for

lab test, just a determined kick up the ass of their therapist should

get rid of the unwanted host.

 

Regards,

 

PJ

On Wednesday, March 3, 2004, at 11:02 pm, Emmanuel Segmen wrote:

 

> Thanks, PJ.

>

> I tried looking this up on snopes but didn't get anywhere. Glad you

> found the item on Quack Busters. I've been dealing with the

> " parasite " problem from frightened patients of naturopaths for the

> last fourteen years. It's quite amazing how many people believe that

> they have parasites without ever having been tested for them. They

> could have saved much worry and lots of dollars if they had simply had

> lab tests done.

>

> In gratitude,

> Emmanuel Segmen

[Guest guest]

Thanks Emmanuel for pointing this out to me. Yes, i've been busy, 5

days a week at the hospital, starting at 8.30. Marco, my moderator

seems to be busy aswell. Anyway, Bill's messages does break the

group's rules in that;

 

Promotion of a business otherwise known as spam. The biography of Dr

Clark at that bottom of this text points to that.

 

Discussion of this topic is fine as long as the TCM herbal aspect is

focused upon. This means the herb that Bill points out as being anti-

parasitic in TCM should be focused upon.

 

I hope this goes some way to clarifying the issue. If anyone feels

it doesn't, please contact me off-list, at

attiliodalberto

 

Attilio

 

" William Brown " <aqupoint@r...> wrote:

> Emmanuel: Respectfully, you should look at this again. If it had

been written down in the books correctly we would not be talking

about this. Again, I was answering an urgent request from a Dr. in

England, not trying to change the many closed minds out there.

Cancer patients given this mixture have had their cancers disappear.

All cancer patients studied by Dr. Clark have had parasites. I don't

have a lab to check this out and count on her wisdom and studies for

the proof. All I see is the cancers stopping and the patients

getting better.

> I am not out for a nobel prize but will use a method that works ,

time and time again without causing my patient harm. Go to

http://www.drclark.net/ and read for yourself.

> Maybe you have heard of " Taxol " being used effectively as chemo

for cancer patients. Did you know this is an anti-parasitic in TCM!

Unfortunately it is not the best mix and seems effective only on

breast, testicular and ovarian cancers- but it is an anti-parasitic

just the same. The difference is the 3 injections cost $30,000

instead of the raw herb product given for peanuts in comparison. And-

the powers that be have it on the restricted list- so you couldn't

get it anyway. These products that I mentioned will probably end up

on the same list when it is seen as useful. What were you teaching

your students about stomach ulcers? Were you right? Bill

>

> Dr. Hulda Clark

>

> Hulda Regehr Clark began her studies in biology at the

University of Saskatchewan, Canada, where she was awarded the

Bachelor of Arts, Magna Cum Laude, and the Master of Arts, with High

Honors. After two years of study at McGill University, she attended

the University of Minnesota, studying biophysics and cell

physiology. She received her Doctorate degree in physiology in 1958.

In 1979 she left government funded research and began private

consulting on a full time basis, after attaining a naturopathy

degree at the Clayton College of Natural Health. Six years later she

discovered an electronic technique for scanning the human body. With

it she noticed clues as to the cause of cancer, HIV and

other " mysterious " diseases. Today Dr. Clark puts her methods, her

results, and her conclusions before you. Read her books and recover.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Attilio: I didn't intend to break any house rules in my answer. I thought that I

was asked where information could be found that would support what I had

written- as I was asked for more info. I don't have this on my web-site, as I

don't need lawyers chasing me around as Dr. Clark has. Not because she is wrong-

it's just that she wrote it all in her book. I am not connected financially in

any way to her- so I did not see anything improper in copying her credentials -

as it seemed mine were being questioned. I have has some positive feedback on

this- as well as the other, which I expected. If all would really consider this

maybe someone in the group has the power for a proper/ final study on this. The

mix can be created as a placebo and added to 10000 cancer patient's treatment

programs. 5000 with the mix, 5000 with the placebo. Increase the numbers if you

can. We could do this worldwide and keep track of it on your site. I dare you!

Bill

-

Chinese Medicine

Friday, March 05, 2004 8:36 AM

Re: Cancer, parasites and clinical success

 

 

Thanks Emmanuel for pointing this out to me. Yes, i've been busy, 5

days a week at the hospital, starting at 8.30. Marco, my moderator

seems to be busy aswell. Anyway, Bill's messages does break the

group's rules in that;

 

Promotion of a business otherwise known as spam. The biography of Dr

Clark at that bottom of this text points to that.

 

Discussion of this topic is fine as long as the TCM herbal aspect is

focused upon. This means the herb that Bill points out as being anti-

parasitic in TCM should be focused upon.

 

I hope this goes some way to clarifying the issue. If anyone feels

it doesn't, please contact me off-list, at

attiliodalberto

 

Attilio

 

" William Brown " <aqupoint@r...> wrote:

> Emmanuel: Respectfully, you should look at this again. If it had

been written down in the books correctly we would not be talking

about this. Again, I was answering an urgent request from a Dr. in

England, not trying to change the many closed minds out there.

Cancer patients given this mixture have had their cancers disappear.

All cancer patients studied by Dr. Clark have had parasites. I don't

have a lab to check this out and count on her wisdom and studies for

the proof. All I see is the cancers stopping and the patients

getting better.

> I am not out for a nobel prize but will use a method that works ,

time and time again without causing my patient harm. Go to

http://www.drclark.net/ and read for yourself.

> Maybe you have heard of " Taxol " being used effectively as chemo

for cancer patients. Did you know this is an anti-parasitic in TCM!

Unfortunately it is not the best mix and seems effective only on

breast, testicular and ovarian cancers- but it is an anti-parasitic

just the same. The difference is the 3 injections cost $30,000

instead of the raw herb product given for peanuts in comparison. And-

the powers that be have it on the restricted list- so you couldn't

get it anyway. These products that I mentioned will probably end up

on the same list when it is seen as useful. What were you teaching

your students about stomach ulcers? Were you right? Bill

>

> Dr. Hulda Clark

>

> Hulda Regehr Clark began her studies in biology at the

University of Saskatchewan, Canada, where she was awarded the

Bachelor of Arts, Magna Cum Laude, and the Master of Arts, with High

Honors. After two years of study at McGill University, she attended

the University of Minnesota, studying biophysics and cell

physiology. She received her Doctorate degree in physiology in 1958.

In 1979 she left government funded research and began private

consulting on a full time basis, after attaining a naturopathy

degree at the Clayton College of Natural Health. Six years later she

discovered an electronic technique for scanning the human body. With

it she noticed clues as to the cause of cancer, HIV and

other " mysterious " diseases. Today Dr. Clark puts her methods, her

results, and her conclusions before you. Read her books and recover.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi All, & Hi Emmanuel, Pierre Jean & Attilio,

 

Emmanuel wrote:

> I've just pointed out that there needs to be a point of order on

> this thread. Hopefully, Attilio will step in here though he's

> pretty busy just now. In gratitude, Emmanuel Segmen

 

Attilio, I support Emmanuel on this. If members wish to continue

this thread, I suggest that it be off-list.

 

One could say (with the same degree of invalidity) that most

cancer sufferers host E. coli, or drink water, or eat wheat products,

ergo E. coli, water and wheat are causative in their cancers.

 

Pierre Jean wrote:

> I think the real parasites are the bogus or incompetent natural

> therapists who exploit shamelessly vulnerable, often desperate

> patients ...

 

IMO, the parasite theory of cancer (and especially the named and

rare parasite) has no scientific basis. IMO, it is a waste of

bandwidth on this List.

 

I intend no insult to those who believe this theory. One can believe

what one wishes, but I cannot accept such radical ideas without a

reasonable basis, backed up by publications in peer-reviewed

journals.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Email: <

 

WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland

Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0]

 

HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland

Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0]

WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm

[Guest guest]

Hi Bill, Emmanuel, PJ, Phil and Christine,

 

Advertising of yourself and your clinic no matter who it is, is

spam. Therefore stating Dr Clark's website goes against the group's

rules as it doesn't really provide any (evidence based) information

other can business details.

 

Bill has a right to state claims so long as he can back it up with

evidence. If he can then ok, continue the thread. If he can't then

please take it off-list until you have some evidence. It's no good

asking for a research proposal to be set up that will support your

claims after you have stated them. Otherwise we'll have a hundred

and one ideas being promoted on the list.

 

Discussion on the TCM herb involved from a strict TCM viewpoint

would be interesting.

 

Attilio

 

" " <@e...> wrote:

> Hi All, & Hi Emmanuel, Pierre Jean & Attilio,

>

> Emmanuel wrote:

> > I've just pointed out that there needs to be a point of order on

> > this thread. Hopefully, Attilio will step in here though he's

> > pretty busy just now. In gratitude, Emmanuel Segmen

>

> Attilio, I support Emmanuel on this. If members wish to continue

> this thread, I suggest that it be off-list.

>

> One could say (with the same degree of invalidity) that most

> cancer sufferers host E. coli, or drink water, or eat wheat

products,

> ergo E. coli, water and wheat are causative in their cancers.

>

> Pierre Jean wrote:

> > I think the real parasites are the bogus or incompetent natural

> > therapists who exploit shamelessly vulnerable, often desperate

> > patients ...

>

> IMO, the parasite theory of cancer (and especially the named and

> rare parasite) has no scientific basis. IMO, it is a waste of

> bandwidth on this List.

>

> I intend no insult to those who believe this theory. One can

believe

> what one wishes, but I cannot accept such radical ideas without a

> reasonable basis, backed up by publications in peer-reviewed

> journals.

>

>

> Best regards,

>

> Email: <@e...>

>

> WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4,

Ireland

> Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0]

>

> HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland

> Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0]

> WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm

[Guest guest]

Attilio: I don't mean to break any rules here. I was asked where further

information could be found. This, of course is not on Medline. This is too new

to be on it. Unable to fund a study large enough to make a difference, I

referred the group to a Practioner that has written 3 books. One can link

through the site, if one takes a minute and doesn't discount the whole thing

because it is not COMMON thought. It is much easier to just go along with the

crowd on these things and not bring up something with controversy. I am not

trying to promote myself here either , but thought this may be a site that would

be open to ideas that work. I have patients that are cancer free using this- as

well as treatment in my clinic. What do I do- just keep my mouth closed and

follow the herd? Some of the responses here have been intentionally insulting

and that would seem to qualify as flaming a member to me! Have none of your

members been successful with cancer patients? I know some that have. This is why

I see it as a possibility for TCM to shine here. What I seem to find is the same

old attitude I see in Western Medicine.

 

 

> Pierre Jean wrote:

> > I think the real parasites are the bogus or incompetent natural

> > therapists who exploit shamelessly vulnerable, often desperate

> > patients ...

Pierre: I will show this to my patients that used to have cancer. Why someone

would jump to this conclusion is beyond me and fits in my definition of a flame.

To whoever stated that the parasites come after the fact- would it not be

reasonable to rid the body of them anyway- no matter what you think? Would you

not think you would see improvement in allowing the body to recover without

them?

 

I need not continue on this subject if it is too contraversial for the group and

will end the subject here. My email is aqupoint if any of you want to

flame me directly so I can respond directly. Bill

-

Chinese Medicine

Friday, March 05, 2004 10:39 PM

Re: Cancer, parasites and clinical success

 

 

 

Advertising of yourself and your clinic no matter who it is, is

spam. Therefore stating Dr Clark's website goes against the group's

rules as it doesn't really provide any (evidence based) information

other can business details.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

On WM labels in TCM usage:

 

Parasite, saprophytes, commensals

Symbiosis on a sacrificial stage

 

One however wonders at TCM when it apes;

There were no microscopes in Huang Di's Age.

 

Dr. Holmes Keikobad

MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ

www.acu-free.com - home based recertification for acupuncturists and health

professionals

[Guest guest]

Hello William,

Let me clarify a few points for you:

First, my comments were not meant to insult you in anyway, I will

explain the reason I made them later.

I maintain that Hulda Clark's theory does not make sense, and that her

credentials are doubtful.

put it in a nutshell with his comment: " One could say

(with the same degree of invalidity) that most cancer sufferers host E.

coli, or drink water, or eat wheat products,

ergo E. coli, water and wheat are causative in their cancers. "

And Emmanuel also pointed out that parasites can always be put in

evidence with a lab test.

If there is not any, they will not be found.

 

At the time of my Email, I was particularly angry for one reason:

 

A client of mine, currently undergoing treatment for bone cancer, went

to see a kind of naturopath for advice.

On that day, she was particularly unwell, she had not eaten or drank

because of nausea, and was feeling faint.

She ask the naturopath for a glass of water or juice and a biscuit, and

the women gave her a glass of orange juice and 2 dry biscuits.

She gave her a consultation, put her on a drastic diet and also gave

her a number of nutritional supplements, and told her that the bone

cancer was due to an imbalance in her colon.

Then the bill came, it was more than £200 or about $400.

When her husband asked for an itemised bill, he found out that this

compassionate practitionner had charged her £12 or about $22 for the

glass of juice and the 2 biscuit.

 

I was very much venting my frustration at this kind of parasite that

prey on vulnerable, often desperate patients, charging them

unjustifiable amount of money for incompetent and useless if not

dangerous advice.

Iam not questioning your integrity or therapeutic skills, but just

commenting on charlatan who give genuine practitionner a bad name.

 

As for Hulda Clark, before she make such claims as she has done, she

should give some verifiable evidence to convince me and many others.

 

Regards,

 

PJ

 

 

On Saturday, March 6, 2004, at 04:37 pm, William Brown wrote:

 

> Attilio: I don't mean to break any rules here. I was asked where

> further information could be found. This, of course is not on Medline.

> This is too new to be on it. Unable to fund a study large enough to

> make a difference, I referred the group to a Practioner that has

> written 3 books. One can link through the site, if one takes a minute

> and doesn't discount the whole thing because it is not COMMON thought.

> It is much easier to just go along with the crowd on these things and

> not bring up something with controversy. I am not trying to promote

> myself here either , but thought this may be a site that would be open

> to ideas that work. I have patients that are cancer free using this-

> as well as treatment in my clinic. What do I do- just keep my mouth

> closed and follow the herd? Some of the responses here have been

> intentionally insulting and that would seem to qualify as flaming a

> member to me! Have none of your members been successful with cancer

> patients? I know some that have. This is why I see it as a possibility

> for TCM to shine here. What I seem to find is the same old attitude I

> see in Western Medicine.

>

>

> > Pierre Jean wrote:

> > > I think the real parasites are the bogus or incompetent natural

> > > therapists who exploit shamelessly vulnerable, often desperate 

> > > patients ...

> Pierre: I will show this to my patients that used to have cancer. Why

> someone would jump to this conclusion is beyond me and fits in my

> definition of a flame.

> To whoever stated that the parasites come after the fact- would it not

> be reasonable to rid the body of them anyway- no matter what you

> think? Would you not think you would see improvement in allowing the

> body to recover without them?

>

> I need not continue on this subject if it is too contraversial for the

> group and will end the subject here. My email is aqupoint

> if any of you want to flame me directly so I can respond directly. > Bill

>   -

>  

>   Chinese Medicine

>   Friday, March 05, 2004 10:39 PM

>   Re: Cancer, parasites and clinical success

>

>

>

>   Advertising of yourself and your clinic no matter who it is, is

>   spam. Therefore stating Dr Clark's website goes against the group's

>   rules as it doesn't really provide any (evidence based) information

>   other can business details.

>

>

>

>