Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 Attilio wrote to me noticing my field as healing music. He mentioned that he has one particular piece called Chakra Chants by Jonathan Goldman and asked if I could explain more about the TCM aspect of this, to the whole group. Talk about a loaded question!!!! One that I gladly respond to though. I had originally thought of writing out the whole dissertation regarding the fruits of my research but I think that introducing one fruit at a time would be more beneficial for all concerned. Some years ago I attempted to communicate with Jonathan, who founded the Healing Music Association. I was quite excited about the research I was conducting and wanted to share with the association the insights I was gaining through direct R & D in a clinical environment. Jonathon never responded. So, I am quite grateful to Attilio for inviting me into this group and asking me to contribute. Some of you might be familiar with NAET (Nambudripid Allergy Elimination Technique). I was trained in the technique out in Los Angeles under the license of an acupuncturist. I became very proficient at kinesiology or muscle testing. When I joined muscle testing to healing music, a whole new world opened up for me. TCM does come into the picture so bear with me while I lay the foundations. In the field of healing music the chakra system is prominent. The common practice is to associate each of the seven chakras to firstly the seven tones of the C scale and secondly to the keys represented by those tones. So if I wanted to rebalance or tonify a person’s heart chakra I would play a piece in F – F being the fourth tone (key) up from C. This model turned out to be incomplete based on my clinical experience. Think for a moment of people that you know and hear each of them speak inside your mind. Of course you don’t have to do this if there is ambient conversation going on around you right now. The point of this exercise is to realize that each person is speaking at a different tone. I myself speak at the tone of F. Knowing that the fifth tone up is F I now know that my core key is Bb. In actual practice I found that the third chakra (solar plexus) gives off the strongest energetic signature and it is best to test for that tone, which in my case would be D. My core tones are then Bb, C, D, Eb, F, G and A. The model for chakra music is now complete. There are 12 tones or keys and a patient’s core key may be any one of the 12. This however can not be determined unless the patient is tested through either kinesiology or scientific equipment. Some with perfect pitch may be able to determine the patient’s core key just by listening to them speak. The Five Elements Tonal System (FETS) Energetic Imbalances Addressed Through: Kinesiology, Healing Music & Deep Relaxation http://www.swiftsite.com/musicmedicine A tape you can do at home! http://www.my-hypnocise.com _______________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 Thanks for that wonderful explaination. Putting the chakras to one side, how does your music healing relate to the Zangfu and the Bian Zheng Lunzhi in clinical practice? As i've seen some recordings made in China which are related to each Yin organ and are suppose to help re-balance the disharmony of that organ. AttilioMike Legge <mflegge wrote: Attilio wrote to me noticing my field as healing music. He mentioned that he has one particular piece called Chakra Chants by Jonathan Goldman and asked if I could explain more about the TCM aspect of this, to the whole group.Talk about a loaded question!!!! One that I gladly respond to though. I had originally thought of writing out the whole dissertation regarding the fruits of my research but I think that introducing one fruit at a time would be more beneficial for all concerned.Some years ago I attempted to communicate with Jonathan, who founded the Healing Music Association. I was quite excited about the research I was conducting and wanted to share with the association the insights I was gaining through direct R & D in a clinical environment. Jonathon never responded. So, I am quite grateful to Attilio for inviting me into this group and asking me to contribute.Some of you might be familiar with NAET (Nambudripid Allergy Elimination Technique). I was trained in the technique out in Los Angeles under the license of an acupuncturist. I became very proficient at kinesiology or muscle testing. When I joined muscle testing to healing music, a whole new world opened up for me. TCM does come into the picture so bear with me while I lay the foundations.In the field of healing music the chakra system is prominent. The common practice is to associate each of the seven chakras to firstly the seven tones of the C scale and secondly to the keys represented by those tones. So if I wanted to rebalance or tonify a person’s heart chakra I would play a piece in F – F being the fourth tone (key) up from C. This model turned out to be incomplete based on my clinical experience.Think for a moment of people that you know and hear each of them speak inside your mind. Of course you don’t have to do this if there is ambient conversation going on around you right now. The point of this exercise is to realize that each person is speaking at a different tone. I myself speak at the tone of F. Knowing that the fifth tone up is F I now know that my core key is Bb. In actual practice I found that the third chakra (solar plexus) gives off the strongest energetic signature and it is best to test for that tone, which in my case would be D. My core tones are then Bb, C, D, Eb, F, G and A.The model for chakra music is now complete. There are 12 tones or keys and a patient’s core key may be any one of the 12. This however can not be determined unless the patient is tested through either kinesiology or scientific equipment. Some with perfect pitch may be able to determine the patient’s core key just by listening to them speak.The Five Elements Tonal System (FETS)Energetic Imbalances Addressed Through:Kinesiology, Healing Music & Deep Relaxationhttp://www.swiftsite.com/musicmedicineA tape you can do at home!http://www.my-hypnocise.com_______________Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 Mike, Thanks for the great gift. haven't had time to unzip it all (need the player) But it is a blessing. Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist Santa Cruz, CA. Acupuncture is a jab well done www.HappyHerbalist.com Tue, 13 May 2003 09:53:57 -0400 " Mike Legge " <mflegge Healing Music Attilio wrote to me noticing my field as healing music. He mentioned that he has one particular piece called Chakra Chants by Jonathan Goldman and asked if I could explain more about the TCM aspect of this, to the whole group. Talk about a loaded question!!!! One that I gladly respond to though. I had originally thought of writing out the whole dissertation regarding the fruits of my research but I think that introducing one fruit at a time would be more beneficial for all concerned. Some years ago I attempted to communicate with Jonathan, who founded the Healing Music Association. I was quite excited about the research I was conducting and wanted to share with the association the insights I was gaining through direct R & D in a clinical environment. Jonathon never responded. So, I am quite grateful to Attilio for inviting me into this group and asking me to contribute. Some of you might be familiar with NAET (Nambudripid Allergy Elimination Technique). I was trained in the technique out in Los Angeles under the license of an acupuncturist. I became very proficient at kinesiology or muscle testing. When I joined muscle testing to healing music, a whole new world opened up for me. TCM does come into the picture so bear with me while I lay the foundations. In the field of healing music the chakra system is prominent. The common practice is to associate each of the seven chakras to firstly the seven tones of the C scale and secondly to the keys represented by those tones. So if I wanted to rebalance or tonify a person’s heart chakra I would play a piece in F – F being the fourth tone (key) up from C. This model turned out to be incomplete based on my clinical experience. Think for a moment of people that you know and hear each of them speak inside your mind. Of course you don’t have to do this if there is ambient conversation going on around you right now. The point of this exercise is to realize that each person is speaking at a different tone. I myself speak at the tone of F. Knowing that the fifth tone up is F I now know that my core key is Bb. In actual practice I found that the third chakra (solar plexus) gives off the strongest energetic signature and it is best to test for that tone, which in my case would be D. My core tones are then Bb, C, D, Eb, F, G and A. The model for chakra music is now complete. There are 12 tones or keys and a patient’s core key may be any one of the 12. This however can not be determined unless the patient is tested through either kinesiology or scientific equipment. Some with perfect pitch may be able to determine the patient’s core key just by listening to them speak. The Five Elements Tonal System (FETS) Energetic Imbalances Addressed Through: Kinesiology, Healing Music & Deep Relaxation http://www.swiftsite.com/musicmedicine A tape you can do at home! http://www.my-hypnocise.com _ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.480 / Virus Database: 276 - Release 5/12/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 Your welcome Ed - The files you downloaded were all composed using the chinese pentatonic scale. Perhaps you noticed that Page 3 on my website is “Strengthening the Elements”. On that page the theory is expanded to include the diatonic scale plus one non-harmonic tone. From that theory I composed a series of healing pieces that are available in MP3 format. All together the library contains 120 MP3s that take up close to 700 MBs, so therefore I couldn’t make them available for download. If you like I can mail you the CD with these MP3s; just send me your address. There are 10 folders and within each folder there are 12 compositions – one for each key. The 10 folders are the 5 elements – yin and yang. > " Ed Kasper LAc. www.HappyHerbalist.com " <eddy >Chinese Traditional Medicine ><Chinese Traditional Medicine > >[Chinese Traditional Medicine] RE: Healing Music >Wed, 14 May 2003 12:13:38 -0700 > >Mike, Thanks for the great gift. >haven't had time to unzip it all (need the player) >But it is a blessing. > > >Ed Kasper LAc. >Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist >Santa Cruz, CA. > >Acupuncture is a jab well done >www.HappyHerbalist.com > > > > Tue, 13 May 2003 09:53:57 -0400 > " Mike Legge " <mflegge >Healing Music > >Attilio wrote to me noticing my field as healing music. He mentioned that >he has one particular piece called Chakra Chants by Jonathan Goldman and >asked if I could explain more about the TCM aspect of this, to the whole >group. > >Talk about a loaded question!!!! One that I gladly respond to though. I >had originally thought of writing out the whole dissertation regarding the >fruits of my research but I think that introducing one fruit at a time >would >be more beneficial for all concerned. > >Some years ago I attempted to communicate with Jonathan, who founded the >Healing Music Association. I was quite excited about the research I was >conducting and wanted to share with the association the insights I was >gaining through direct R & D in a clinical environment. Jonathon never >responded. So, I am quite grateful to Attilio for inviting me into this >group and asking me to contribute. > >Some of you might be familiar with NAET (Nambudripid Allergy Elimination >Technique). I was trained in the technique out in Los Angeles under the >license of an acupuncturist. I became very proficient at kinesiology or >muscle testing. When I joined muscle testing to healing music, a whole new >world opened up for me. TCM does come into the picture so bear with me >while I lay the foundations. > >In the field of healing music the chakra system is prominent. The common >practice is to associate each of the seven chakras to firstly the seven >tones of the C scale and secondly to the keys represented by those tones. >So if I wanted to rebalance or tonify a person’s heart chakra I would play >a >piece in F – F being the fourth tone (key) up from C. This model turned >out to be incomplete based on my clinical experience. > >Think for a moment of people that you know and hear each of them speak >inside your mind. Of course you don’t have to do this if there is ambient >conversation going on around you right now. The point of this exercise is >to realize that each person is speaking at a different tone. I myself >speak >at the tone of F. Knowing that the fifth tone up is F I now know that my >core key is Bb. In actual practice I found that the third chakra (solar >plexus) gives off the strongest energetic signature and it is best to test >for that tone, which in my case would be D. My core tones are then Bb, C, >D, Eb, F, G and A. > >The model for chakra music is now complete. There are 12 tones or keys and >a patient’s core key may be any one of the 12. This however can not be >determined unless the patient is tested through either kinesiology or >scientific equipment. Some with perfect pitch may be able to determine >the >patient’s core key just by listening to them speak. > > > >The Five Elements Tonal System (FETS) >Energetic Imbalances Addressed Through: >Kinesiology, Healing Music & Deep Relaxation >http://www.swiftsite.com/musicmedicine > >A tape you can do at home! >http://www.my-hypnocise.com > >_ > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.480 / Virus Database: 276 - Release 5/12/2003 > _______________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Attilio: I'll be at the Music Therapy conference in Canada this spring demonstrating the modality in the Research Room throughout the conference. For more info on this go to my website: http://www.musicministers.org . There are also free MP3 downloads available where the elements are harmonized. These MP3s have therapeutic value but are in a limited key range. Mappings of the 12 organ channels can be found @ the voice tones link on the treatment page. Mike Chinese Medicine , Attilio D'Alberto <attiliodalberto> wrote: > Thanks for that wonderful explaination. Putting the chakras to one side, how does your music healing relate to the Zangfu and the Bian Zheng Lunzhi in clinical practice? As i've seen some recordings made in China which are related to each Yin organ and are suppose to help re-balance the disharmony of that organ. > > Attilio > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 Hi Mike, Good to hear from you again. I'm very happy to hear your research into music as a healing art is still continuing. Did i tell you that whilst i was in China, i picked up a set of five CDs. Each one is related to a different Zang organ. They were to be played when a person displayed a deficinecy in that organ, for example, you play the Kidney CD when a person presents a Kidney differency. Have you heard of this and if so what do you think about it? Attilio www.attiliodalberto.com P.S. Good luck with the conference! Chinese Medicine , " Mike Legge " <mflegge@h...> wrote: > > Attilio: > > I'll be at the Music Therapy conference in Canada this spring > demonstrating the modality in the Research Room throughout the > conference. For more info on this go to my website: > http://www.musicministers.org . > > There are also free MP3 downloads available where the elements are > harmonized. These MP3s have therapeutic value but are in a limited > key range. Mappings of the 12 organ channels can be found @ the > voice tones link on the treatment page. > > Mike > > > Chinese Medicine , Attilio > D'Alberto <attiliodalberto> wrote: > > Thanks for that wonderful explaination. Putting the chakras to one > side, how does your music healing relate to the Zangfu and the Bian > Zheng Lunzhi in clinical practice? As i've seen some recordings made > in China which are related to each Yin organ and are suppose to help > re-balance the disharmony of that organ. > > > > Attilio > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Hi: " Each one is related to a different Zang organ. They were to be played when a person displayed a deficiency in that organ, for example, you play the Kidney CD when a person presents a Kidney differency. " This is real interesting. Dowsers know that different organs have different frequencies. So by playing music at these frequencies, one can " tune in " the organ and bring about healing? Best regards, Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 This maybe of interest also: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/science/mind/stories/s1261384.htm Mike Legge [mflegge] Tuesday, 8 February 2005 8:33 AM Chinese Medicine Re: Healing Music Attilio: I'll be at the Music Therapy conference in Canada this spring demonstrating the modality in the Research Room throughout the conference. For more info on this go to my website: http://www.musicministers.org . There are also free MP3 downloads available where the elements are harmonized. These MP3s have therapeutic value but are in a limited key range. Mappings of the 12 organ channels can be found @ the voice tones link on the treatment page. Mike Chinese Medicine , Attilio D'Alberto <attiliodalberto> wrote: > Thanks for that wonderful explaination. Putting the chakras to one side, how does your music healing relate to the Zangfu and the Bian Zheng Lunzhi in clinical practice? As i've seen some recordings made in China which are related to each Yin organ and are suppose to help re-balance the disharmony of that organ. > > Attilio > http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 Attilio: Do you have the product information for these CD's? I'd like to pick up a set. Thank you, Jack --- <attiliodalberto wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > Good to hear from you again. > > I'm very happy to hear your research into music as a > healing art is > still continuing. Did i tell you that whilst i was > in China, i > picked up a set of five CDs. Each one is related to > a different Zang > organ. They were to be played when a person > displayed a deficinecy > in that organ, for example, you play the Kidney CD > when a person > presents a Kidney differency. > > Have you heard of this and if so what do you think > about it? > > Attilio > www.attiliodalberto.com > > P.S. Good luck with the conference! > > Chinese Medicine , > " Mike Legge " > <mflegge@h...> wrote: > > > > Attilio: > > > > I'll be at the Music Therapy conference in Canada > this spring > > demonstrating the modality in the Research Room > throughout the > > conference. For more info on this go to my > website: > > http://www.musicministers.org . > > > > There are also free MP3 downloads available where > the elements are > > harmonized. These MP3s have therapeutic value but > are in a > limited > > key range. Mappings of the 12 organ channels can > be found @ the > > voice tones link on the treatment page. > > > > Mike > > > > > > --- In > Chinese Medicine , > Attilio > > D'Alberto <attiliodalberto> wrote: > > > Thanks for that wonderful explaination. Putting > the chakras to > one > > side, how does your music healing relate to the > Zangfu and the > Bian > > Zheng Lunzhi in clinical practice? As i've seen > some recordings > made > > in China which are related to each Yin organ and > are suppose to > help > > re-balance the disharmony of that organ. > > > > > > Attilio > > > > > > > Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail./mail_250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 It's all in Chinese, sorry can't help. Check the internet or your local Chinese supplier. Attilio Chinese Medicine , Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy> wrote: > Attilio: > > Do you have the product information for these CD's? > I'd like to pick up a set. > > Thank you, Jack > > --- <attiliodalberto> > wrote: > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > Good to hear from you again. > > > > I'm very happy to hear your research into music as a > > healing art is > > still continuing. Did i tell you that whilst i was > > in China, i > > picked up a set of five CDs. Each one is related to > > a different Zang > > organ. They were to be played when a person > > displayed a deficinecy > > in that organ, for example, you play the Kidney CD > > when a person > > presents a Kidney differency. > > > > Have you heard of this and if so what do you think > > about it? > > > > Attilio > > www.attiliodalberto.com > > > > P.S. Good luck with the conference! > > > > Chinese Medicine , > > " Mike Legge " > > <mflegge@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Attilio: > > > > > > I'll be at the Music Therapy conference in Canada > > this spring > > > demonstrating the modality in the Research Room > > throughout the > > > conference. For more info on this go to my > > website: > > > http://www.musicministers.org . > > > > > > There are also free MP3 downloads available where > > the elements are > > > harmonized. These MP3s have therapeutic value but > > are in a > > limited > > > key range. Mappings of the 12 organ channels can > > be found @ the > > > voice tones link on the treatment page. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Chinese Medicine , > > Attilio > > > D'Alberto <attiliodalberto> wrote: > > > > Thanks for that wonderful explaination. Putting > > the chakras to > > one > > > side, how does your music healing relate to the > > Zangfu and the > > Bian > > > Zheng Lunzhi in clinical practice? As i've seen > > some recordings > > made > > > in China which are related to each Yin organ and > > are suppose to > > help > > > re-balance the disharmony of that organ. > > > > > > > > Attilio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. > http://info.mail./mail_250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 Hi Attilio: I may have the same set of musics you have except mine are in tape format - called " Yi Ching Music For Health " . I think they are very powerful and classic Chinese for sure. The principles of TCM are so universal that I was able to apply them to the western development of music. Some patients liked the Chinese while others preferred their music medicine in an occidental context. Mike Chinese Medicine , " Attilio DAlberto " <attiliodalberto> wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > Good to hear from you again. > > I'm very happy to hear your research into music as a healing art is > still continuing. Did i tell you that whilst i was in China, i > picked up a set of five CDs. Each one is related to a different Zang > organ. They were to be played when a person displayed a deficinecy > in that organ, for example, you play the Kidney CD when a person > presents a Kidney differency. > > Have you heard of this and if so what do you think about it? > > Attilio > www.attiliodalberto.com > > P.S. Good luck with the conference! > > Chinese Medicine , " Mike Legge " > <mflegge@h...> wrote: > > > > Attilio: > > > > I'll be at the Music Therapy conference in Canada this spring > > demonstrating the modality in the Research Room throughout the > > conference. For more info on this go to my website: > > http://www.musicministers.org . > > > > There are also free MP3 downloads available where the elements are > > harmonized. These MP3s have therapeutic value but are in a > limited > > key range. Mappings of the 12 organ channels can be found @ the > > voice tones link on the treatment page. > > > > Mike > > > > > > Chinese Medicine , Attilio > > D'Alberto <attiliodalberto> wrote: > > > Thanks for that wonderful explaination. Putting the chakras to > one > > side, how does your music healing relate to the Zangfu and the > Bian > > Zheng Lunzhi in clinical practice? As i've seen some recordings > made > > in China which are related to each Yin organ and are suppose to > help > > re-balance the disharmony of that organ. > > > > > > Attilio > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Attilio: Do you have the ISBN? I saw a series of five CD's that are intended to relieve stress, another was morning music, a third for insomnia, etc. Thanks, Jack .. Did i tell you that whilst i was > in China, i > picked up a set of five CDs. Each one is related to > a different Zang > organ. They were to be played when a person > displayed a deficinecy > in that organ, for example, you play the Kidney CD > when a person > presents a Kidney differency. > ===== http://www.geocities.com/mojavecowboy/clinicgz.htm TCM Acupuncture, Herbs, M.A., M.J.,M.L.I.S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 No, no ISBN. Hasn't quite taken full effect in China yet. Attilio Chinese Medicine , Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy> wrote: > Attilio: > > Do you have the ISBN? > > I saw a series of five CD's that are intended to > relieve stress, another was morning music, a third for > insomnia, etc. > > Thanks, Jack > > . Did i tell you that whilst i was > > in China, i > > picked up a set of five CDs. Each one is related to > > a different Zang > > organ. They were to be played when a person > > displayed a deficinecy > > in that organ, for example, you play the Kidney CD > > when a person > > presents a Kidney differency. > > > > > ===== > http://www.geocities.com/mojavecowboy/clinicgz.htm > > TCM Acupuncture, Herbs, M.A., M.J.,M.L.I.S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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