Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2008 What do you recommend for HPV? I've been told it is not curable but told my cousin I'd ask. We were discussing my abnormal pap smear last night. I had my first one about five week ago after 10 years of marriage and 1 child. My biopsy isn't schedule for another two weeks. My cousin stated she had an abnormal pap after 7 years of marriage and it was HPV. They froze her cervix. I'm not sure if mine was a fluke, infection or what yet but after a discussion on HPV I got a bit nervous. Thank you in advanced for your informaion. I've been telling everyone I can about this group and oleander. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2008 For this concern, I would recommend both colloidal silver and oleander. Both, when taken on a daily basis can reinforce your bodily arsenal against both infection and cancer. To this date, there are no reports of someone taking oleander as a preventative measure developing cancer. oleander soup , Matt Ackerman <agzooer wrote: > > What do you recommend for HPV? I've been told it is not curable but told my cousin I'd ask. We were discussing my abnormal pap smear last night. I had my first one about five week ago after 10 years of marriage and 1 child. My biopsy isn't schedule for another two weeks. My cousin stated she had an abnormal pap after 7 years of marriage and it was HPV. They froze her cervix. I'm not sure if mine was a fluke, infection or what yet but after a discussion on HPV I got a bit nervous. Thank you in advanced for your informaion. I've been telling everyone I can about this group and oleander. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2008 Would these be a preventative measure I will have to take for the rest of our lives? Thanks for your information. I'm excited to learn all these new great things!--- On Mon, 9/8/08, May <luellamay129 wrote: May <luellamay129 Re: HPVoleander soup Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 11:43 AM For this concern, I would recommend both colloidal silver and oleander.Both, when taken on a daily basis can reinforce your bodily arsenalagainst both infection and cancer. To this date, there are no reportsof someone taking oleander as a preventative measure developing cancer.oleander soup, Matt Ackerman <agzooer > wrote:>> What do you recommend for HPV? I've been told it is not curable buttold my cousin I'd ask. We were discussing my abnormal pap smear lastnight. I had my first one about five week ago after 10 years of marriageand 1 child. My biopsy isn't schedule for another two weeks. My cousinstated she had an abnormal pap after 7 years of marriage and it was HPV.They froze her cervix. I'm not sure if mine was a fluke, infection orwhat yet but after a discussion on HPV I got a bit nervous. Thank you inadvanced for your informaion. I've been telling everyone I can aboutthis group and oleander.> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2008 I'm sorry. One more question. Would I be able to have any more children? --- On Mon, 9/8/08, May <luellamay129 wrote: May <luellamay129 Re: HPVoleander soup Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 11:43 AM For this concern, I would recommend both colloidal silver and oleander.Both, when taken on a daily basis can reinforce your bodily arsenalagainst both infection and cancer. To this date, there are no reportsof someone taking oleander as a preventative measure developing cancer.oleander soup, Matt Ackerman <agzooer > wrote:>> What do you recommend for HPV? I've been told it is not curable buttold my cousin I'd ask. We were discussing my abnormal pap smear lastnight. I had my first one about five week ago after 10 years of marriageand 1 child. My biopsy isn't schedule for another two weeks. My cousinstated she had an abnormal pap after 7 years of marriage and it was HPV.They froze her cervix. I'm not sure if mine was a fluke, infection orwhat yet but after a discussion on HPV I got a bit nervous. Thank you inadvanced for your informaion. I've been telling everyone I can aboutthis group and oleander.> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2008 They are most certainly a preventative. I take colloidal silver and oleander every day myself. Please do keep us posted as to the actual results. Hugs, oleander soup , Matt Ackerman <agzooer wrote: > > Would these be a preventative measure I will have to take for the rest of our lives? > Thanks for your information. I'm excited to learn all these new great things! > > --- On Mon, 9/8/08, May luellamay129 wrote: > > May luellamay129 > Re: HPV > oleander soup > Monday, September 8, 2008, 11:43 AM For this concern, I would recommend both colloidal silver and oleander. > Both, when taken on a daily basis can reinforce your bodily arsenal > against both infection and cancer. To this date, there are no reports > of someone taking oleander as a preventative measure developing cancer. > > > > oleander soup, Matt Ackerman agzooer@ > wrote: > > > > What do you recommend for HPV? I've been told it is not curable but > told my cousin I'd ask. We were discussing my abnormal pap smear last > night. I had my first one about five week ago after 10 years of marriage > and 1 child. My biopsy isn't schedule for another two weeks. My cousin > stated she had an abnormal pap after 7 years of marriage and it was HPV. > They froze her cervix. I'm not sure if mine was a fluke, infection or > what yet but after a discussion on HPV I got a bit nervous. Thank you in > advanced for your informaion. I've been telling everyone I can about > this group and oleander. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2008 Why yes. Most certainly. Don't even worry about that. Hugs, oleander soup , Matt Ackerman <agzooer wrote: > > I'm sorry. One more question. Would I be able to have any more children? > > --- On Mon, 9/8/08, May luellamay129 wrote: > > May luellamay129 > Re: HPV > oleander soup > Monday, September 8, 2008, 11:43 AM For this concern, I would recommend both colloidal silver and oleander. > Both, when taken on a daily basis can reinforce your bodily arsenal > against both infection and cancer. To this date, there are no reports > of someone taking oleander as a preventative measure developing cancer. > > > > oleander soup, Matt Ackerman agzooer@ > wrote: > > > > What do you recommend for HPV? I've been told it is not curable but > told my cousin I'd ask. We were discussing my abnormal pap smear last > night. I had my first one about five week ago after 10 years of marriage > and 1 child. My biopsy isn't schedule for another two weeks. My cousin > stated she had an abnormal pap after 7 years of marriage and it was HPV. > They froze her cervix. I'm not sure if mine was a fluke, infection or > what yet but after a discussion on HPV I got a bit nervous. Thank you in > advanced for your informaion. I've been telling everyone I can about > this group and oleander. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2008 Thank you for the responses. I've been terrified for 5 close to 6 weeks. That's why I asked why the breast cancer got so far along without detection. I thought it was the doctor's dragging their feet. Instead it was my other case scenario of me not going for a pap for 2 1/2 years. Which is human nature. I just can't believe something like this is a possibility after 10 years of marriage. I've lost a lot of sleep. I know this sounds so petty to people who have other cancers and they know they have it. It's just hard to actually think you might have a cancer at 30 years old and have a 7 year old child. I've never even heard of this HPV until two months ago. From what I understand it's pretty common but can be deadly too. I was just getting ready to start on baby 2 but instead I'm going for some procedure that might possibley lead to having my cervix clipped and having to have repeat paps every 6 months. Ugh. I already have to take 2 days off work for a normal every day pap smear. I uneasy about such examinations. Again. Thank you. --- On Mon, 9/8/08, May <luellamay129 wrote: May <luellamay129 Re: HPVoleander soup Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 1:17 PM Why yes. Most certainly. Don't even worry about that.Hugs,oleander soup, Matt Ackerman <agzooer > wrote:>> I'm sorry. One more question. Would I be able to have any morechildren?>> --- On Mon, 9/8/08, May luellamay129@ ... wrote:>> May luellamay129@ ...> Re: HPV> oleander soup> Monday, September 8, 2008, 11:43 AM>>>>>>> For this concern, I would recommend both colloidal silver andoleander.> Both, when taken on a daily basis can reinforce your bodily arsenal> against both infection and cancer. To this date, there are no reports> of someone taking oleander as a preventative measure developingcancer.>> >> oleander soup, Matt Ackerman agzooer@ > wrote:> >> > What do you recommend for HPV? I've been told it is not curable but> told my cousin I'd ask. We were discussing my abnormal pap smear last> night. I had my first one about five week ago after 10 years ofmarriage> and 1 child. My biopsy isn't schedule for another two weeks. My cousin> stated she had an abnormal pap after 7 years of marriage and it wasHPV.> They froze her cervix. I'm not sure if mine was a fluke, infection or> what yet but after a discussion on HPV I got a bit nervous. Thank youin> advanced for your informaion. I've been telling everyone I can about> this group and oleander.> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2008 I can understand being preoccupied as to what the worst case scenario would be, but I would like to ease your mind. First of all, relax. Cancer or the severity of cancer, in my way of thinking, is just one of those things. It isn't the result of " not catching it " early enough to stop it by going for pap smears, mammograms (which I do not recommend at all), etc. The best way to prevent cancer is by a healthy lifestyle, diet, and supplements. That is why the first thing I said was .... Oleander! If you are in the remotest way worried about cancer, take oleander, of course, together with a healthy lifestyle. In fact, I even recommend that those with perfect health take oleander as a preventative measure. There is no better insurance. I can name you numerous people who even though they made sure to get yearly pap smears still got cancer. The reasons are many. Many times pap smears are just not accurate and mistakes are too often made. Once tested positive for these tests, you are in the " system " going through the next step in the revolving door of medicine. The problem is that should the " cancer " diagnosis be given, chemo, radiation, the cutting and burning methods that never truly heal come into play. All the while, natural medicine that heals from the source, is what truly should be utilized. What I would do if I had the slightest inkling that cancer was a possibility is start taking oleander either from http://www.sutherlandiaopc.com or by making the soup. In fact, I do take it as a preventative now. I would also make sure I was eating the proper diet and by this I mean nothing processed, no sugars, no fast foods, no sweeteners, no sodas, and so on and so forth. I would stick to a natural diet. By the way, you will be surprised how much better you will feel. I would get sunlight, exercise, read Tony's anti-cancer protocol and do everything it says. Actually, prevention and guarding one's health is something that must be done throughout one's life. I guess what I am trying to say is that a doctor cannot really stop the progression of cancer and, as you can see, they don't. They merely put you through a huge convoluted process. A healthy lifestyle and natural medicine is what does the true healing. So now...... take a deep breath and relax. Abnormal pap smears are a very normal thing and sometimes the result is nothing at all. Don't dwell on the " what if's. " Instead, take the appropriate steps to remain healthy. And if there should be some type of unusual cells, you cannot do anything better than take oleander. And look forward to that " twinkle in your eye " that will one day soon be a part of your family. I hope that burden has been lifted off your shoulders. Hugs, oleander soup , Matt Ackerman <agzooer wrote: > > Thank you for the responses. I've been terrified for 5 close to 6 weeks. That's why I asked why the breast cancer got so far along without detection. I thought it was the doctor's dragging their feet. Instead it was my other case scenario of me not going for a pap for 2 1/2 years. Which is human nature. I just can't believe something like this is a possibility after 10 years of marriage. I've lost a lot of sleep. I know this sounds so petty to people who have other cancers and they know they have it. It's just hard to actually think you might have a cancer at 30 years old and have a 7 year old child. I've never even heard of this HPV until two months ago. From what I understand it's pretty common but can be deadly too. I was just getting ready to start on baby 2 but instead I'm going for some procedure that might possibley lead to having my cervix clipped and having to have repeat paps every 6 months. Ugh. I already have to take 2 days off work for a > normal every day pap smear. I uneasy about such examinations. Again. Thank you. > > --- On Mon, 9/8/08, May luellamay129 wrote: > > May luellamay129 > Re: HPV > oleander soup > Monday, September 8, 2008, 1:17 PM Why yes. Most certainly. Don't even worry about that. > > Hugs, > > > oleander soup, Matt Ackerman agzooer@ > wrote: > > > > I'm sorry. One more question. Would I be able to have any more > children? > > > > --- On Mon, 9/8/08, May luellamay129@ ... wrote: > > > > May luellamay129@ ... > > Re: HPV > > oleander soup > > Monday, September 8, 2008, 11:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For this concern, I would recommend both colloidal silver and > oleander. > > Both, when taken on a daily basis can reinforce your bodily arsenal > > against both infection and cancer. To this date, there are no reports > > of someone taking oleander as a preventative measure developing > cancer. > > > > > > > > oleander soup, Matt Ackerman agzooer@ > wrote: > > > > > > What do you recommend for HPV? I've been told it is not curable but > > told my cousin I'd ask. We were discussing my abnormal pap smear last > > night. I had my first one about five week ago after 10 years of > marriage > > and 1 child. My biopsy isn't schedule for another two weeks. My cousin > > stated she had an abnormal pap after 7 years of marriage and it was > HPV. > > They froze her cervix. I'm not sure if mine was a fluke, infection or > > what yet but after a discussion on HPV I got a bit nervous. Thank you > in > > advanced for your informaion. I've been telling everyone I can about > > this group and oleander. > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 8, 2008 I'd also like to add something. Because you are on this list, you are obviously taking charge of your health. The annual pap/mammogram is a cycle of crossing your fingers and hoping nothing shows up. Of course you are now dealing with your current health crisis, which is trying, especially if you have a young child. You're in the right hands here and on the correct path to proactive health management. I came back from 18 months in Central America and was completely appalled at how old and sick folks in North America looked. Before the trip, a colleague of my husband was diagnosed with breast cancer. When we returned I wasn't back a week before I ran into another colleague of his that I didn't recognize. She explained that her hair was different because of the chemo. GULP. Both these women were my age with same age children. I just couldn't sit around and wait for the tests to come back positive so I went crazy taking charge of my health. What an enormous learning curve. I've said it before on this list. Our home town is the town where Rene Caisse ran her cancer clinic using Essiac and neither I nor my husband knew about it. After I learned about that I realized how pervasive the suppression of information is. I also found out that the good folks that are on this list and others like it will provide you with help and support and that is what I call freedom and power. Now I go for my thermogram (no mammograms for me) once a year and a pap and follow a great and healthy diet and if the tests come back I'll have access to the smartest people on the planet who can guide me through a protocol. You're in control now, you get well! Kind regards, Janet Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 9, 2008 --- On Mon, 9/8/08, May <luellamay129 wrote: > >> > What do you recommend for HPV? I've been told it is not curable It clears from the body naturally - it is NOT just sexually transmitted - there are so many HPV's & animal HPV's that even newborns have them. They are generally innocuous and clear without damage in the healthy within 3 years. Most people aren't even aware of their presence. They don't even get any warts of any variety. There are over 70, they vaccinate against 4! The latest "info" is fear-mongering to sell their dirty vaccine! Get onto an alkalinising diet, and take the CS & OS that recommends, if you have ill health. Warts of any variety, like an acid envronment. We are their petri dishes - so provide a hostile alkaline environment and they won't thrive. Eat the Standard American Diet (SAD) and we help illness flourish. Because you have an abnormal smear you have been taught to think that it is HPV! Check out the false positive rate, and the false negative rate, then decide how many times you need a PAP to get a valid result! You may as well toss a coin. You, no doubt, are in close contact with your children, so how could you possibly prevent "spread" even though that contact isn't sexual? We don't live in bubbles. Does a "virus" know to just stay on your genitals? The advertising material for the vaccine is absurd and designed to promote a knee-jerk reaction in concerned parents. However, VAERS have received reports of at least 21 deaths, Guillain Barre, Motor Neurone Disease, etc - over 9,500 reports so far, reported on CNN on 11 August 2008. Of course, none of them can be associated with the vaccine. Sure! Pardon the sarcasm! They admit that less than 10% of adverse reactions are reported. You see, Moffit Research Institute was given $2.08million to study Gardasil rates as Merck wasn't happy with low uptakes!http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/stories/2008/08/25/daily7.html Hmmm, there is no money to study the VAERS reports as all are coincidence! Oddly if all those people showed symptoms of rabies, after being bitten by a bat, they would be forced to have rabies prophylaxis as the symptoms would NOT be considered coincidental a month later, even if all the biting bats proved to be "rabies free". My apologies for the rant - I have a vaccine injured child, so we tend to check vaccine claims very carefully and know that the drug companies like to keep us as mushrooms - in the dark and fed on horse manure. Time for a nap! Love, Maracuja .. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 9, 2008 Oops sorry - I trimmed most of the previous post but omitted this; On Mon, 9/8/08, May <luellamay129@ > wrote: and it was above the original question. Abject apologies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 9, 2008 Don't forget the best alternative to a mamogram as per most ND is a termgraph. See Mercola.com ------------------------------ Safe Screening Methods do Exist: The Benefits of ThermographyBut you’re not likely to hear about them from your general practitioner.“ … The establishment ignores safe and effective alternatives to mammography, particularly trans illumination with infrared scanning,” Dr. Epstein points out.Most physicians continue to recommend mammograms for fear of being sued by a woman who develops breast cancer after which he did not advise her to get one. But I encourage you to think for yourself and consider safer, more effective alternatives to mammograms.The option for breast screening that I most highly recommend is called thermography. Thermographic breast screening is brilliantly simple. It measures the radiation of infrared heat from your body and translates this information into anatomical images. Your normal blood circulation is under the control of your autonomic nervous system, which governs your body functions.Thermography uses no mechanical pressure or ionizing radiation, and can detect signs of breast cancer years earlier than either mammography or a physical exam.Mammography cannot detect a tumor until after it has been growing for years and reaches a certain size. Thermography is able to detect the possibility of breast cancer much earlier, because it can image the early stages of angiogenesis (the formation of a direct supply of blood to cancer cells, which is a necessary step before they can grow into tumors of size). --- On Mon, 9/8/08, lostrin <lostrin wrote: lostrin <lostrinRe: Re: HPVoleander soup Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 5:23 PM .. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 9, 2008 Thanks for the information everyone. I'm gonna be honest..I'm terrified to take the oleander. From reading I am gathering I'm not the first and won't be the last. Is there anything I should be worried about at all? I had my heart/brain/lungs/nervous system all checked out about 3 years ago and everything was fine at the time. (my final diagnosis was....migraines for all that and the bill was enough to pay my home off and then some)--- On Tue, 9/9/08, Duke Stone <dukesdeals wrote: Duke Stone <dukesdealsRe: Re: HPVoleander soup Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 9:58 AM Don't forget the best alternative to a mamogram as per most ND is a termgraph. See Mercola.com ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ Safe Screening Methods do Exist: The Benefits of ThermographyBut you’re not likely to hear about them from your general practitioner.“ … The establishment ignores safe and effective alternatives to mammography, particularly trans illumination with infrared scanning,” Dr. Epstein points out.Most physicians continue to recommend mammograms for fear of being sued by a woman who develops breast cancer after which he did not advise her to get one. But I encourage you to think for yourself and consider safer, more effective alternatives to mammograms.The option for breast screening that I most highly recommend is called thermography. Thermographic breast screening is brilliantly simple. It measures the radiation of infrared heat from your body and translates this information into anatomical images. Your normal blood circulation is under the control of your autonomic nervous system, which governs your body functions.Thermography uses no mechanical pressure or ionizing radiation, and can detect signs of breast cancer years earlier than either mammography or a physical exam.Mammography cannot detect a tumor until after it has been growing for years and reaches a certain size. Thermography is able to detect the possibility of breast cancer much earlier, because it can image the early stages of angiogenesis (the formation of a direct supply of blood to cancer cells, which is a necessary step before they can grow into tumors of size). --- On Mon, 9/8/08, lostrin <lostrin (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: lostrin <lostrin (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: HPVoleander soupMonday, September 8, 2008, 5:23 PM .. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 9, 2008 Bless your heart, no there is nothing at all to worry about. It is normal to be apprehensive when one is first introduced to oleander. As some in this group have stated, I was terrified when I took my first 1/4 of a teaspoon, wondering what would happen, if I would get any side effects, so on and so forth. To my total surprise I really never got any side effects to speak of. The taste was the only obstacle and I got used to that in no time. As for your nervous system, not to worry. I have an anxiety and panic disorder, which is undergoing a bit of a flare up as of late, and oleander is having no adverse effects. In fact, I believe I have read somewhere it is good for anxiety. So here I am, the worst possible scenario when it comes to a " nervous system " and oleander in no way exacerbates this condition. The only ones that should not be taking oleander are those that take digoxen/digitalis and blood thinning medication, as oleander's cardiac glycosides do cross assay with these medications. So, relax. It's okay. Hugs, oleander soup , Matt Ackerman <agzooer wrote: > > Thanks for the information everyone. I'm gonna be honest..I'm terrified to take the oleander. From reading I am gathering I'm not the first and won't be the last. Is there anything I should be worried about at all? I had my heart/brain/lungs/nervous system all checked out about 3 years ago and everything was fine at the time. (my final diagnosis was....migraines for all that and the bill was enough to pay my home off and then some) > > --- On Tue, 9/9/08, Duke Stone dukesdeals wrote: > > Duke Stone dukesdeals > Re: Re: HPV > oleander soup > Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 9:58 AM > > > > > Don't forget the best alternative to a mamogram as per most ND is a termgraph. See Mercola.com > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Safe Screening Methods do Exist: The Benefits of Thermography > > But you're not likely to hear about them from your general practitioner. > > " … The establishment ignores safe and effective alternatives to mammography, particularly trans illumination with infrared scanning, " Dr. Epstein points out. > > Most physicians continue to recommend mammograms for fear of being sued by a woman who develops breast cancer after which he did not advise her to get one. But I encourage you to think for yourself and consider safer, more effective alternatives to mammograms. > > The option for breast screening that I most highly recommend is called thermography. > > Thermographic breast screening is brilliantly simple. It measures the radiation of infrared heat from your body and translates this information into anatomical images. Your normal blood circulation is under the control of your autonomic nervous system, which governs your body functions. > > Thermography uses no mechanical pressure or ionizing radiation, and can detect signs of breast cancer years earlier than either mammography or a physical exam. > > Mammography cannot detect a tumor until after it has been growing for years and reaches a certain size. Thermography is able to detect the possibility of breast cancer much earlier, because it can image the early stages of angiogenesis (the formation of a direct supply of blood to cancer cells, which is a necessary step before they can grow into tumors of size). > > --- On Mon, 9/8/08, lostrin lostrin (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: > > lostrin lostrin (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > Re: Re: HPV > oleander soup > Monday, September 8, 2008, 5:23 PM > > > > > . > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 9, 2008 I found that in the beginning that I was scared to take it too.So I took it at night before I went to bed and when I woke up the next morning ... I started to built confidence fast.Don't ask me why...you might try it that way and see if it helps you... like it did me? Toya Matt Ackerman <agzooeroleander soup Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2008 10:35:55 AMRe: Re: HPV Thanks for the information everyone. I'm gonna be honest..I'm terrified to take the oleander. From reading I am gathering I'm not the first and won't be the last. Is there anything I should be worried about at all? I had my heart/brain/ lungs/nervous system all checked out about 3 years ago and everything was fine at the time. (my final diagnosis was....migraines for all that and the bill was enough to pay my home off and then some)--- On Tue, 9/9/08, Duke Stone <dukesdeals > wrote: Duke Stone <dukesdeals >Re: Re: HPVoleander soupTuesday, September 9, 2008, 9:58 AM Don't forget the best alternative to a mamogram as per most ND is a termgraph. See Mercola.com ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ Safe Screening Methods do Exist: The Benefits of ThermographyBut you’re not likely to hear about them from your general practitioner.“ … The establishment ignores safe and effective alternatives to mammography, particularly trans illumination with infrared scanning,” Dr. Epstein points out.Most physicians continue to recommend mammograms for fear of being sued by a woman who develops breast cancer after which he did not advise her to get one. But I encourage you to think for yourself and consider safer, more effective alternatives to mammograms.The option for breast screening that I most highly recommend is called thermography. Thermographic breast screening is brilliantly simple. It measures the radiation of infrared heat from your body and translates this information into anatomical images. Your normal blood circulation is under the control of your autonomic nervous system, which governs your body functions.Thermography uses no mechanical pressure or ionizing radiation, and can detect signs of breast cancer years earlier than either mammography or a physical exam.Mammography cannot detect a tumor until after it has been growing for years and reaches a certain size. Thermography is able to detect the possibility of breast cancer much earlier, because it can image the early stages of angiogenesis (the formation of a direct supply of blood to cancer cells, which is a necessary step before they can grow into tumors of size). --- On Mon, 9/8/08, lostrin <lostrin (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: lostrin <lostrin (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: HPVoleander soupMonday, September 8, 2008, 5:23 PM .. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 9, 2008 Matt: I have used 3 bottles of oleander and it dropped my PSA from 118 to 84 in 6 weeks. I had no side effects and today I just took my first walk around the block in 6 or 7 months. Not a true believer yet but I may be soon. Duke --- On Tue, 9/9/08, Matt Ackerman <agzooer wrote: Matt Ackerman <agzooerRe: Re: HPVoleander soup Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 12:35 PM Thanks for the information everyone. I'm gonna be honest..I'm terrified to take the oleander. From reading I am gathering I'm not the first and won't be the last. Is there anything I should be worried about at all? I had my heart/brain/ lungs/nervous system all checked out about 3 years ago and everything was fine at the time. (my final diagnosis was....migraines for all that and the bill was enough to pay my home off and then some)--- On Tue, 9/9/08, Duke Stone <dukesdeals > wrote: Duke Stone <dukesdeals >Re: Re: HPVoleander soupTuesday, September 9, 2008, 9:58 AM Don't forget the best alternative to a mamogram as per most ND is a termgraph. See Mercola.com ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ Safe Screening Methods do Exist: The Benefits of ThermographyBut you’re not likely to hear about them from your general practitioner.“ … The establishment ignores safe and effective alternatives to mammography, particularly trans illumination with infrared scanning,” Dr. Epstein points out.Most physicians continue to recommend mammograms for fear of being sued by a woman who develops breast cancer after which he did not advise her to get one. But I encourage you to think for yourself and consider safer, more effective alternatives to mammograms.The option for breast screening that I most highly recommend is called thermography. Thermographic breast screening is brilliantly simple. It measures the radiation of infrared heat from your body and translates this information into anatomical images. Your normal blood circulation is under the control of your autonomic nervous system, which governs your body functions.Thermography uses no mechanical pressure or ionizing radiation, and can detect signs of breast cancer years earlier than either mammography or a physical exam.Mammography cannot detect a tumor until after it has been growing for years and reaches a certain size. Thermography is able to detect the possibility of breast cancer much earlier, because it can image the early stages of angiogenesis (the formation of a direct supply of blood to cancer cells, which is a necessary step before they can grow into tumors of size). --- On Mon, 9/8/08, lostrin <lostrin (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: lostrin <lostrin (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: HPVoleander soupMonday, September 8, 2008, 5:23 PM .. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 9, 2008 Duke, Congratulations! YOU have made my day! Please keep us posted as to your continuing progress. I see great things ahead. Hugs, oleander soup , Duke Stone <dukesdeals wrote: > > Matt: > I have used 3 bottles of oleander and it dropped my PSA from 118 to 84 in 6 weeks. I had no side effects and today I just took my first walk around the block in 6 or 7 months. Not a true believer yet but I may be soon. > Duke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 9/9/08, Matt Ackerman <agzooer wrote: > > Matt Ackerman <agzooer > Re: Re: HPV > oleander soup > Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 12:35 PM > > > > Thanks for the information everyone. I'm gonna be honest..I'm terrified to take the oleander. From reading I am gathering I'm not the first and won't be the last. Is there anything I should be worried about at all? I had my heart/brain/ lungs/nervous system all checked out about 3 years ago and everything was fine at the time. (my final diagnosis was....migraines for all that and the bill was enough to pay my home off and then some) > > --- On Tue, 9/9/08, Duke Stone <dukesdeals > wrote: > > Duke Stone <dukesdeals > > Re: Re: HPV > oleander soup > Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 9:58 AM > > > Don't forget the best alternative to a mamogram as per most ND is a termgraph. See Mercola.com > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Safe Screening Methods do Exist: The Benefits of Thermography > > But you're not likely to hear about them from your general practitioner. > > " … The establishment ignores safe and effective alternatives to mammography, particularly trans illumination with infrared scanning, " Dr. Epstein points out. > > Most physicians continue to recommend mammograms for fear of being sued by a woman who develops breast cancer after which he did not advise her to get one. But I encourage you to think for yourself and consider safer, more effective alternatives to mammograms. > > The option for breast screening that I most highly recommend is called thermography. > > Thermographic breast screening is brilliantly simple. It measures the radiation of infrared heat from your body and translates this information into anatomical images. Your normal blood circulation is under the control of your autonomic nervous system, which governs your body functions. > > Thermography uses no mechanical pressure or ionizing radiation, and can detect signs of breast cancer years earlier than either mammography or a physical exam. > > Mammography cannot detect a tumor until after it has been growing for years and reaches a certain size. Thermography is able to detect the possibility of breast cancer much earlier, because it can image the early stages of angiogenesis (the formation of a direct supply of blood to cancer cells, which is a necessary step before they can grow into tumors of size). > > --- On Mon, 9/8/08, lostrin <lostrin (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: > > lostrin <lostrin (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > Re: Re: HPV > oleander soup > Monday, September 8, 2008, 5:23 PM > > > > > . > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 10, 2008 Wow Duke - I'm very happy for your - thank you for the update. Praise God! sun--- On Tue, 9/9/08, May <luellamay129 wrote: May <luellamay129 Re: HPVoleander soup Received: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 6:27 PM Duke,Congratulations! YOU have made my day! Please keep us posted as toyour continuing progress. I see great things ahead.Hugs,oleander soup, Duke Stone <dukesdeals@ ...> wrote:>> Matt:> I have used 3 bottles of oleander and it dropped my PSA from 118 to84 in 6 weeks. I had no side effects and today I just took my firstwalk around the block in 6 or 7 months. Not a true believer yet but Imay be soon. > Duke> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 9/9/08, Matt Ackerman <agzooer > wrote:> > Matt Ackerman <agzooer >> Re: Re: HPV> oleander soup> Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 12:35 PM> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the information everyone. I'm gonna be honest..I'mterrified to take the oleander. From reading I am gathering I'm notthe first and won't be the last. Is there anything I should be worriedabout at all? I had my heart/brain/ lungs/nervous system all checkedout about 3 years ago and everything was fine at the time. (my finaldiagnosis was....migraines for all that and the bill was enough to paymy home off and then some)> > --- On Tue, 9/9/08, Duke Stone <dukesdeals> wrote:> > Duke Stone <dukesdeals>> Re: Re: HPV> oleander soup> Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 9:58 AM> > > > > > > > > > Don't forget the best alternative to a mamogram as per most ND is atermgraph. See Mercola.com> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Safe Screening Methods do Exist: The Benefits of Thermography> > But you're not likely to hear about them from your general practitioner.> > " … The establishment ignores safe and effective alternatives tomammography, particularly trans illumination with infrared scanning,"Dr. Epstein points out.> > Most physicians continue to recommend mammograms for fear of beingsued by a woman who develops breast cancer after which he did notadvise her to get one. But I encourage you to think for yourself andconsider safer, more effective alternatives to mammograms.> > The option for breast screening that I most highly recommend iscalled thermography. > > Thermographic breast screening is brilliantly simple. It measuresthe radiation of infrared heat from your body and translates thisinformation into anatomical images. Your normal blood circulation isunder the control of your autonomic nervous system, which governs yourbody functions.> > Thermography uses no mechanical pressure or ionizing radiation, andcan detect signs of breast cancer years earlier than eithermammography or a physical exam.> > Mammography cannot detect a tumor until after it has been growingfor years and reaches a certain size. Thermography is able to detectthe possibility of breast cancer much earlier, because it can imagethe early stages of angiogenesis (the formation of a direct supply ofblood to cancer cells, which is a necessary step before they can growinto tumors of size). > > --- On Mon, 9/8/08, lostrin <lostrin (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> > lostrin <lostrin (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> Re: Re: HPV> oleander soup> Monday, September 8, 2008, 5:23 PM> > > > > .> Canada Toolbar : Search from anywhere on the web and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 12, 2008 Thank you for your response. I'm definately going to look into everything you've all suggested. Sorry about the vaccine reactions. My son had seizures and stopped talking after his 3 year old shots. It was a nightmare. I did speak with a nurse at my doctor's office yesterday. She said that if I had HPV they would have noted it on my pap results and told me since it's contagious. I guess that makes sense but I'm not very trusting of the medical system. But I don't have anyone to ask and know if that is usually the case or not.--- On Mon, 9/8/08, Maracuja <howdurdago wrote: Maracuja <howdurdagoRe: Re: HPVoleander soup Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 10:01 PM --- On Mon, 9/8/08, May <luellamay129@ > wrote: > >> > What do you recommend for HPV? I've been told it is not curable It clears from the body naturally - it is NOT just sexually transmitted - there are so many HPV's & animal HPV's that even newborns have them. They are generally innocuous and clear without damage in the healthy within 3 years. Most people aren't even aware of their presence. They don't even get any warts of any variety. There are over 70, they vaccinate against 4! The latest "info" is fear-mongering to sell their dirty vaccine! Get onto an alkalinising diet, and take the CS & OS that recommends, if you have ill health. Warts of any variety, like an acid envronment. We are their petri dishes - so provide a hostile alkaline environment and they won't thrive. Eat the Standard American Diet (SAD) and we help illness flourish. Because you have an abnormal smear you have been taught to think that it is HPV! Check out the false positive rate, and the false negative rate, then decide how many times you need a PAP to get a valid result! You may as well toss a coin. You, no doubt, are in close contact with your children, so how could you possibly prevent "spread" even though that contact isn't sexual? We don't live in bubbles. Does a "virus" know to just stay on your genitals? The advertising material for the vaccine is absurd and designed to promote a knee-jerk reaction in concerned parents. However, VAERS have received reports of at least 21 deaths, Guillain Barre, Motor Neurone Disease, etc - over 9,500 reports so far, reported on CNN on 11 August 2008. Of course, none of them can be associated with the vaccine. Sure! Pardon the sarcasm! They admit that less than 10% of adverse reactions are reported. You see, Moffit Research Institute was given $2.08million to study Gardasil rates as Merck wasn't happy with low uptakes!http://www.bizjourn als.com/tampabay /stories/ 2008/08/25/ daily7.html Hmmm, there is no money to study the VAERS reports as all are coincidence! Oddly if all those people showed symptoms of rabies, after being bitten by a bat, they would be forced to have rabies prophylaxis as the symptoms would NOT be considered coincidental a month later, even if all the biting bats proved to be "rabies free". My apologies for the rant - I have a vaccine injured child, so we tend to check vaccine claims very carefully and know that the drug companies like to keep us as mushrooms - in the dark and fed on horse manure. Time for a nap! Love, Maracuja .. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 12, 2008 Wait, I'm lost on this thread. Did you receive a diagnosis of HPV? What exactly did the results show? What was communicated? Was it just an abnormal smear? Janet Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 12, 2008 :-) I was told it was abnormal. That's all I was told. I freaked out and assumed the worst. My aunt died last month at the age of 42 and one of her cancers was cervical. Then I had 2 cousins pop up with HPV after being married for years. I had asked this group what I should do if my results came back positive for HPV. I was not told I had HPV at the time of receiving my abnormal pap results. They just stated 'abnormal'. I asked about levels/grades etc. and was told 'just abnormal'. I don't know what that means Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 12, 2008 OK I seem to remember the series of events now. Try this link for a chart that outlines what an abnormal smear means http://www.cwhn.ca/resources/faq/abnormalPap.html Your family history is on your mind, I can understand the anxiety. I am repeating myself here but your presence on this list is a great indicator of your outcome, since I'm sure we can agree that this is one of the best sources of health information on the internet. Do you know of a good alternative health practitioner that you can afford? It is very helpful to have some hand holding through some of these events. How is your diet? Christiane Northrup's website and books are a good start to get you informed about the intricacies of the female system, right down to the spiritual implications of our illnesses. Abnormal paps will reverse themselves. A healthy lifestyle is a must as is stress reduction. Please keep us informed of your progress after Tuesday. Kindest regards, Janet been there done that - abnormal pap just before I was married - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 1, 2008 I went today for a colposcopy. While I was signing their 100's of forms I saw my chart and it had "Abnormal Pap: ASC-H". I wrote it on a napkin with full intentions of quizing the doctor. When I went into their procedure room a nurse sat down and talked to me for about 30 minutes. She told me my pap smear was 'slightly abnormal' and there wasn't anything to worry about yet. Explained the procedure and that I needed to come back in a week for my results. Then she told me that once I received my results they'd either have me come in for a pap every 3 or 4 months 3 or 4 times a year for one or two years. (I don't remember which was which on the 3 and 4's) OR a procedure called LEEP. Who knows something about this? I am absolutely terrified. Again..I know this is probably very minor compared to most people's problems here. --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Mike Golden <goldenmike86 wrote: Mike Golden <goldenmike86Re: Re: HPVoleander soup Date: Friday, September 12, 2008, 4:16 PM When you are told you have an abnormal Pap it usually means that you have Class II inflammation. This is considered a precancerous condition, but not inevetibly precancerous. This is more common in smokers and is often reversed with vitamin C supplementation. The cervix is one of the tissues that has a high vitamin C requirement. Mike Matt Ackerman <agzooer >oleander soupFriday, September 12, 2008 11:11:18 AMRe: Re: HPV :-) I was told it was abnormal. That's all I was told. I freaked out and assumed the worst. My aunt died last month at the age of 42 and one of her cancers was cervical. Then I had 2 cousins pop up with HPV after being married for years. I had asked this group what I should do if my results came back positive for HPV. I was not told I had HPV at the time of receiving my abnormal pap results. They just stated 'abnormal'. I asked about levels/grades etc. and was told 'just abnormal'. I don't know what that means Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 1, 2008 I'm sorry. I got carried away and forgot my point. I looked up ASC-H and it doesn't appear to be 'slightly abnormal' to me. It seems terrifying. I regret writing that down. I could have went with 'slightl abnormal' for a week instead of terrifying. Does anyone know why she would call ASC-H slightly abnormal?--- On Tue, 9/30/08, Matt Ackerman <agzooer wrote: Matt Ackerman <agzooerRe: Re: HPVoleander soup Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 8:22 PM I went today for a colposcopy. While I was signing their 100's of forms I saw my chart and it had "Abnormal Pap: ASC-H". I wrote it on a napkin with full intentions of quizing the doctor. When I went into their procedure room a nurse sat down and talked to me for about 30 minutes. She told me my pap smear was 'slightly abnormal' and there wasn't anything to worry about yet. Explained the procedure and that I needed to come back in a week for my results. Then she told me that once I received my results they'd either have me come in for a pap every 3 or 4 months 3 or 4 times a year for one or two years. (I don't remember which was which on the 3 and 4's) OR a procedure called LEEP. Who knows something about this? I am absolutely terrified. Again..I know this is probably very minor compared to most people's problems here. --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ > wrote: Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ >Re: Re: HPVoleander soupFriday, September 12, 2008, 4:16 PM When you are told you have an abnormal Pap it usually means that you have Class II inflammation. This is considered a precancerous condition, but not inevetibly precancerous. This is more common in smokers and is often reversed with vitamin C supplementation. The cervix is one of the tissues that has a high vitamin C requirement. Mike Matt Ackerman <agzooer >oleander soupFriday, September 12, 2008 11:11:18 AMRe: Re: HPV :-) I was told it was abnormal. That's all I was told. I freaked out and assumed the worst. My aunt died last month at the age of 42 and one of her cancers was cervical. Then I had 2 cousins pop up with HPV after being married for years. I had asked this group what I should do if my results came back positive for HPV. I was not told I had HPV at the time of receiving my abnormal pap results. They just stated 'abnormal'. I asked about levels/grades etc. and was told 'just abnormal'. I don't know what that means Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 1, 2008 Where did you look it up? ASC-H means ASC with possible HSIL: Some of your cells are not normal and there is a small possibility that they may be precancerous. Even if you turn out to have precancerous cells, you should not overly worry. Live and eat healthy, take a maintenance does of oleander, and get rid or your dang stress (I understand your concern - but it is going to be OK!) and it is highly unlikely you will ever get cancer. While you are at it, a good regimen of colloidal silver for awhile to get rid of any HPV would not be a bad idea either. oleander soup , Matt Ackerman <agzooer wrote: > > I'm sorry. I got carried away and forgot my point. I looked up ASC-H and it doesn't appear to be 'slightly abnormal' to me. It seems terrifying. I regret writing that down. I could have went with 'slightl abnormal' for a week instead of terrifying. Does anyone know why she would call ASC-H slightly abnormal? > > --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Matt Ackerman <agzooer wrote: > > Matt Ackerman <agzooer > Re: Re: HPV > oleander soup > Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 8:22 PM > > > > > I went today for a colposcopy. While I was signing their 100's of forms I saw my chart and it had " Abnormal Pap: ASC-H " . I wrote it on a napkin with full intentions of quizing the doctor. > When I went into their procedure room a nurse sat down and talked to me for about 30 > minutes. She told me my pap smear was 'slightly abnormal' and there wasn't anything > to worry about yet. Explained the procedure and that I needed to come back in a week for > my results. Then she told me that once I received my results they'd either have me come > in for a pap every 3 or 4 months 3 or 4 times a year for one or two years. (I don't remember which was which on the 3 and 4's) OR a procedure called LEEP. Who knows something about this? I am absolutely terrified. Again..I know this is probably very minor compared to most people's problems here. > > --- On Fri, 9/12/08, Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ > wrote: > > Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ > > Re: Re: HPV > oleander soup > Friday, September 12, 2008, 4:16 PM When you are told you have an abnormal Pap it usually means that you have Class II inflammation. This is considered a precancerous condition, but not inevetibly precancerous. This is more common in smokers and is often reversed with vitamin C supplementation. The cervix is one of the tissues that has a high vitamin C requirement. > > Mike > > > > > > Matt Ackerman <agzooer > > oleander soup > Friday, September 12, 2008 11:11:18 AM > Re: Re: HPV > > :-) > > I was told it was abnormal. That's all I was told. I freaked out and assumed the worst. My aunt died last month at the age of 42 and one of her cancers was cervical. Then I had 2 cousins pop up with HPV after being married for years. I had asked this group what I should do if my results came back positive for HPV. I was not told I had HPV at the time of receiving my abnormal pap results. They just stated 'abnormal'. I asked about levels/grades etc. and was told 'just abnormal'. I don't know what that means. > > I see the doctor Tuesday...after waiting 5-6 weeks after being told my pap was abnormal. I got a call yesterday to change my time of appointment and I asked the nurse if I had HPV. She said that if I had HPV they would have told me at the time they told me my pap was abnormal. So I'm assuming I do not have HPV since I wasn't told I did. So I'm pretty relieved in one way. It just all hit at a bad time. > > --- On Fri, 9/12/08, lostrin <lostrin (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: > > lostrin <lostrin (AT) gmail (DOT) com> > Re: Re: HPV > oleander soup > Friday, September 12, 2008, 11:38 AM > > > > > Wait, I'm lost on this thread. Did you receive a diagnosis of HPV? > What exactly did the results show? What was communicated? Was it > just an abnormal smear? > > Janet > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
