Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 Speaking of marshall law.... do you realize the timing of all this... and do you realize if we are under marshall law there will be no election of a new president... BOY aren't they sneaky!! TonjaBea Bernhausen <beabernhausen wrote: Personally I have no fear of the disease at all---but what will be done in its name. Also how with the massive vaccination programs--what will we be laying ourselves open to? And if you don't allow it off to summer camp you go. If you check government sites and plans---that should be enough to scare the heck out of you---never mind any disease. The disease is NOT the point here. It is the bringing on of marshall law and complete loss of freedoms. Anyone who doesn't see that by now should really shake the sand out of their ears and eyes. This is not a preventive measure IT"S A PLAN.chantal <chantalh wrote: More About the Bird Flu From Dr Hulda Clark When I wrote about the bird flu and made reference to the Spanish flu of 1918, I caused a landslide of reactions from my readers. I received many articles avian flu and related subjects and it ranged from the wildest conspiracy theories to seemingly sound information. I will make a few comments here without claiming to know the truth or have a firm opinion on any of it. Arguments made against the bird flu scare and the Spanish flu connection: No one knows what the Spanish flu was because at the time viruses were not detectable. That was done many years later and no one can be certain whether what was found to be the cause of the Spanish flu many years later was the correct cause. At the end of WWI, for the first time multiple vaccinations of all sorts were carried out and the Spanish flu appeared in many different places on the planet pretty much around that time and especially in young and sturdy men, which is rather strange (but that was the group that was mainly vaccinated). Even the British Medical Journal mentions it is the only ever known flu pandemic which was specific to young people (http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/ short/332/7544/786?etoc). Tests on humans to try and pass the Spanish flu from one person to another failed. The cases of people who so far have died from avian flu may have had the virus in them but there is no proof that that virus caused their death. The presence of a virus does not prove it caused a condition. If the same virus is present in all similar cases of symptoms, then we can infer that the virus has something to do with the condition but it is not sure and the process to prove it is not easy. Some viruses are present in many people. For example, certain Herpes viruses are found in over 90% of everyone. If you tested random people dying from, say, lung cancer, you would find that virus in most of them. Concluding that is the cause of the condition would be wrong in this case. In the avian flu there have been very few cases and there has been little research so far. There have been many "super bug" scares in the past decades, but none of them have led anywhere. The chance of exactly this avian flu virus to turn into a super bug is small. The accompanying bacterial infections which are usually the imminent cause of death in a viral infection, can nowadays be treated with antibiotics. That was not the case in 1918. A lot more arguments are made but I want to leave some of the work up to you. Here are a few websites that give background on the avian flu. They do not all have the same focus and my citing them here does not mean I agree with any or all they say, but I have at least found them interesting and those who have been reading my e-zine are well aware that I'm generally critical of the system. Michael Fumento says we are being Chicken Little, thinking the sky will fall on our heads, if we go for the avian flu scare. Well researched and referenced: http://www.fumento.com/disease/flu2005.html. Dr. Len Horowitz has his own theories about population control and such. I am not sure I quite agree, but his comparison of the avian flu with the other scares we have seen in the past few years, including SARS (remember?), West Nile Virus and such, is quite revealing: http://educate-yourself .org/cn/lenhorowitzdebunksavianfluhysteria11oct05.shtml. This website by Hans Tolzin is unfortunately only in German but has the best background information about the Spanish flu: http://www.impf-report.de/. The magazine Nature has put together a series of articles about the Spanish flu and the avian flu. They are scientific but mainstream: http://www.nature.com/nature/focus/1918flu/index .html. «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§ - PULSE ON WORLD HEALTH CONSPIRACIES! §Subscribe:......... - «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»New Sister Group: MedicalConspiraciesSubscribe: MedicalConspiracies- Post message: MedicalConspiracies List owner: MedicalConspiracies-owner «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»New Sister Group: MedicalConspiracies (One Word)at Google groups:http://groups.google.comMedicalConspiraciesPost message: MedicalConspiracies (AT) googl (DOT) comSubscribe: MedicalConspiracies- (AT) googl (DOT) comAny information here in is for educational purpose only, it may be news related, purely speculation or someone's opinion. 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Guest guest Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 There are many people who predicted (not as in prophecy) that Bush would be the last ah, er, “elected” president. The future looks a lot different than I ever imagined it when I was younger. Ed On Behalf Of ~mom2tyntay~ Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:04 AM To: ; MedicalConspiracies Re: Re: [MedicalConspiracies] Bird Flu - Marshall Law Speaking of marshall law.... do you realize the timing of all this... and do you realize if we are under marshall law there will be no election of a new president... BOY aren't they sneaky!! Tonja Bea Bernhausen <beabernhausen wrote: Personally I have no fear of the disease at all---but what will be done in its name. Also how with the massive vaccination programs--what will we be laying ourselves open to? And if you don't allow it off to summer camp you go. If you check government sites and plans---that should be enough to scare the heck out of you---never mind any disease. The disease is NOT the point here. It is the bringing on of marshall law and complete loss of freedoms. Anyone who doesn't see that by now should really shake the sand out of their ears and eyes. This is not a preventive measure IT " S A PLAN. chantal <chantalh wrote: More About the Bird Flu From Dr Hulda Clark When I wrote about the bird flu and made reference to the Spanish flu of 1918, I caused a landslide of reactions from my readers. I received many articles avian flu and related subjects and it ranged from the wildest conspiracy theories to seemingly sound information. I will make a few comments here without claiming to know the truth or have a firm opinion on any of it. Arguments made against the bird flu scare and the Spanish flu connection: No one knows what the Spanish flu was because at the time viruses were not detectable. That was done many years later and no one can be certain whether what was found to be the cause of the Spanish flu many years later was the correct cause. At the end of WWI, for the first time multiple vaccinations of all sorts were carried out and the Spanish flu appeared in many different places on the planet pretty much around that time and especially in young and sturdy men, which is rather strange (but that was the group that was mainly vaccinated). Even the British Medical Journal mentions it is the only ever known flu pandemic which was specific to young people (http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/ short/332/7544/786?etoc). Tests on humans to try and pass the Spanish flu from one person to another failed. The cases of people who so far have died from avian flu may have had the virus in them but there is no proof that that virus caused their death. The presence of a virus does not prove it caused a condition. If the same virus is present in all similar cases of symptoms, then we can infer that the virus has something to do with the condition but it is not sure and the process to prove it is not easy. Some viruses are present in many people. For example, certain Herpes viruses are found in over 90% of everyone. If you tested random people dying from, say, lung cancer, you would find that virus in most of them. Concluding that is the cause of the condition would be wrong in this case. In the avian flu there have been very few cases and there has been little research so far. There have been many " super bug " scares in the past decades, but none of them have led anywhere. The chance of exactly this avian flu virus to turn into a super bug is small. The accompanying bacterial infections which are usually the imminent cause of death in a viral infection, can nowadays be treated with antibiotics. That was not the case in 1918. A lot more arguments are made but I want to leave some of the work up to you. Here are a few websites that give background on the avian flu. They do not all have the same focus and my citing them here does not mean I agree with any or all they say, but I have at least found them interesting and those who have been reading my e-zine are well aware that I'm generally critical of the system. Michael Fumento says we are being Chicken Little, thinking the sky will fall on our heads, if we go for the avian flu scare. Well researched and referenced: http://www.fumento.com/disease/flu2005.html. Dr. Len Horowitz has his own theories about population control and such. I am not sure I quite agree, but his comparison of the avian flu with the other scares we have seen in the past few years, including SARS (remember?), West Nile Virus and such, is quite revealing: http://educate-yourself ..org/cn/lenhorowitzdebunksavianfluhysteria11oct05.shtml. This website by Hans Tolzin is unfortunately only in German but has the best background information about the Spanish flu: http://www.impf-report.de/. The magazine Nature has put together a series of articles about the Spanish flu and the avian flu. They are scientific but mainstream: http://www.nature.com/nature/focus/1918flu/index ..html. «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤» § - PULSE ON WORLD HEALTH CONSPIRACIES! § Subscribe:......... - «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤» New Sister Group: MedicalConspiracies Subscribe: MedicalConspiracies- Post message: MedicalConspiracies List owner: MedicalConspiracies-owner «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤» New Sister Group: MedicalConspiracies (One Word)at Google groups: http://groups.google.comMedicalConspiracies Post message: MedicalConspiracies (AT) googl (DOT) com Subscribe: MedicalConspiracies- (AT) googl (DOT) com Any information here in is for educational purpose only, it may be news related, purely speculation or someone's opinion. Always consult with a qualified health practitioner before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses. **COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ~*Tonja*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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