using this group as a way to sell products

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/31/2006 5:26:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,

turtle3fish writes:

 

>>Thank-you for stating your opinion because I feel the same way. Maybe if

more of us speak up we can put a stop to THIS.<<

 

 

 

 

 

We did this exact discussion way back and nothing was changed, I guess we

just have to live with it unfortunately.

 

Dawn

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I joined this group because I like to try alternative methods of

healing, and felt a group this size, others would have tried things.

I DO NOT think this should be an avenue for people to try to sell their

expensive products!!

 

This is just my opinion.

[Guest guest]

i feel the same way.but if you can guide someone

to find what they need and at a great price then

you have helped.

 

 

--- rosemary <marylamb47331 wrote:

 

> I joined this group because I like to try

> alternative methods of

> healing, and felt a group this size, others

> would have tried things.

> I DO NOT think this should be an avenue for

> people to try to sell their

> expensive products!!

>

> This is just my opinion.

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, " rosemary "

<marylamb47331 wrote:

>

> I joined this group because I like to try alternative methods of

> healing, and felt a group this size, others would have tried things.

> I DO NOT think this should be an avenue for people to try to sell

their

> expensive products!!

>

> This is just my opinion.

>

Thank-you for stating your opinion because I feel the same way.

Maybe if more of us speak up we can put a stop to THIS.

[Guest guest]

I think we've all been over this before, and come to the conclusion that so

long as the person " trying to sell something " is a regular contributor with

posts that don't always include their products, and are up front about the

posts when they do think their product will help a person, then they are

allowed to post. We can't all know about every product out there so it's a

good thing when someone else has tried a product and it worked for them, and

they love it so much they are now selling it. That says something for the

worthiness of the product, don't you think? I personally LIKE to read about

other people's experiences with products I know nothing about. The person

we all find annoying is the one who never even used the product and is

simply using this group as a sales spring board. Apparently though, no one

whether they believe and use their own product, or are simply salesmen,

gets kicked off the list. So, it's up to the reader to determine whether

the person (and product) is worth reading. If you DON'T think the person's

posts are worth reading or their product worth hearing about, there's always

the magic delete button. And if you are really annoyed at the

person/product there's always the block sender option in your email program.

Use that and you never have to see another annoying post again.

 

PS--expensive is determined by the size of the wallet of the reader. :-)

Besides, like the saying goes--how much is your health worth??

 

Samala

Renee

 

----

 

I joined this group because I like to try alternative methods of

Healing, and felt a group this size, others would have tried things.

I DO NOT think this should be an avenue for people to try to sell their

Expensive products!!

[Guest guest]

its just the same as spamming

 

 

--- Joe <turtle3fish wrote:

 

> ,

> " rosemary "

> <marylamb47331 wrote:

> >

> > I joined this group because I like to try

> alternative methods of

> > healing, and felt a group this size, others

> would have tried things.

> > I DO NOT think this should be an avenue for

> people to try to sell

> their

> > expensive products!!

> >

> > This is just my opinion.

> >

> Thank-you for stating your opinion

> because I feel the same way.

> Maybe if more of us speak up we can put a stop

> to THIS.

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I just joined this group, and find myself in the debate. I operate an

online natural products store. It's a small, but specialized,

operation. Hence, I don't have the resources to advertise my products,

and would have to raise my prices if I did. It helps to let fellow

natural products users about my products in forums like this. However,

I'm sensitive not to abuse the group with too many postings. Just try

to keep it gentle. I hope that's OK with you all!

 

Craig

 

http://ILoveGreenTea.com

http://NowAgeVillage.com

 

, charlie <sunset_139 wrote:

>

> its just the same as spamming

>

>

> --- Joe <turtle3fish wrote:

>

> > ,

> > " rosemary "

> > <marylamb47331@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I joined this group because I like to try

> > alternative methods of

> > > healing, and felt a group this size, others

> > would have tried things.

> > > I DO NOT think this should be an avenue for

> > people to try to sell

> > their

> > > expensive products!!

> > >

> > > This is just my opinion.

> > >

> > Thank-you for stating your opinion

> > because I feel the same way.

> > Maybe if more of us speak up we can put a stop

> > to THIS.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This group is so awesom, all of you who help people like me with your knowledge

and information. I have been with this group for about 6 months and the wealth

of information is so great that i commend and admire all of you, there are

people who never knew that there are people who sincerely give

advice,recommendations to help others with their ailments i have told about 300

people of this group so let us all work together to help others. As Samala Renee

has said i could not put it any better than what she has said. Sorry me engish

is not so good. Thanks

 

Renee <gaiacita wrote:

I think we've all been over this before, and come to the conclusion

that so

long as the person " trying to sell something " is a regular contributor with

posts that don't always include their products, and are up front about the

posts when they do think their product will help a person, then they are

allowed to post. We can't all know about every product out there so it's a

good thing when someone else has tried a product and it worked for them, and

they love it so much they are now selling it. That says something for the

worthiness of the product, don't you think? I personally LIKE to read about

other people's experiences with products I know nothing about. The person

we all find annoying is the one who never even used the product and is

simply using this group as a sales spring board. Apparently though, no one

whether they believe and use their own product, or are simply salesmen,

gets kicked off the list. So, it's up to the reader to determine whether

the person (and product) is worth reading. If you DON'T think the person's

posts are worth reading or their product worth hearing about, there's always

the magic delete button. And if you are really annoyed at the

person/product there's always the block sender option in your email program.

Use that and you never have to see another annoying post again.

 

PS--expensive is determined by the size of the wallet of the reader. :-)

Besides, like the saying goes--how much is your health worth??

 

Samala

Renee

 

----

 

I joined this group because I like to try alternative methods of

Healing, and felt a group this size, others would have tried things.

I DO NOT think this should be an avenue for people to try to sell their

Expensive products!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, charlie <sunset_139

wrote:

>

> its just the same as spamming

>

>

> --- Joe <turtle3fish wrote:

>

> > ,

> > " rosemary "

> > <marylamb47331@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I joined this group because I like to try

> > alternative methods of

> > > healing, and felt a group this size, others

> > would have tried things.

> > > I DO NOT think this should be an avenue for

> > people to try to sell

> > their

> > > expensive products!!

> > >

> > > This is just my opinion.

> > >

> > Thank-you for stating your opinion

> > because I feel the same way.

> > Maybe if more of us speak up we can put a stop

> > to THIS.

> >

> > i don't agree. i'm new here and if i can get turned on to

something of value for me, i'm better off for it. if you don't like a

post, don't read it. cgarone19591955

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In seeing today's digest still mentioning this I think it should be a

consideration to pose to the group, should we simply set up some sort of

bylaw that states anyone attempting to sell loses membership? Or should we

agree to keep it to a minimum and eat our comments? Seriously, I am usually

eager to read today's digest for hints and news in the alternative world and

all of this negativity and back and forth to sell or not to sell is just not

working for us and our overarching goals. How should we move it forward so

it's not such an issue in the future?

 

Just trying to bring some action to alleviating one more headache

 

Happy New Year all!

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Bylaw? Lose membership for selling? Ok, let's do this one more time--use

the delete button. And for those of you on digest, skip to the next message

And can we give up this selling conversation (because we will NEVER come

to any conclusion because it seems we are split 50/50 on how we feel about

it) and get on with health issues? How about we make a new years

resolution--stick to health posts and let the selling chips fall where they

may.

 

Happy New Year and may 07 bring you great health, prosperity and happiness.

 

 

Samala,

Renee

 

----

 

In seeing today's digest still mentioning this I think it should be a

Consideration to pose to the group, should we simply set up some sort of

Bylaw that states anyone attempting to sell loses membership? Or should we

Agree to keep it to a minimum and eat our comments? Seriously, I am usually

Eager to read today's digest for hints and news in the alternative world and

 

All of this negativity and back and forth to sell or not to sell is just not

 

Working for us and our overarching goals. How should we move it forward so

it's not such an issue in the future?

[Guest guest]

I have bought several products I did not know existed. If they have

something good then go for it. If the person has taken the product and

really believes in it they should be able to advertise it. If they message

you privately and try to sell you stuff without you asking then they should

be removed. I am going to try the zeolite for sure. I am a naturopath and

have many patients needing wanting celation but it is hard on you to remove

the toxins through the liver. This product seems like it might work, had

susan not mentioned it I would have never know about it. Thanks Kathy

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of gabe

Monday, January 01, 2007 12:22 PM

 

Re: using this group as a way to sell products

 

 

 

In seeing today's digest still mentioning this I think it should be a

consideration to pose to the group, should we simply set up some sort of

bylaw that states anyone attempting to sell loses membership? Or should we

agree to keep it to a minimum and eat our comments? Seriously, I am usually

eager to read today's digest for hints and news in the alternative world and

all of this negativity and back and forth to sell or not to sell is just not

working for us and our overarching goals. How should we move it forward so

it's not such an issue in the future?

 

Just trying to bring some action to alleviating one more headache

 

Happy New Year all!

 

 

[Guest guest]

my two cents....i dont have a problem with letting

others know that you have product that they are

looking for, however, one must be careful to not cause

a conflict of interest, making claims just to make a

buck.....just my two cents! happy new year everyone.

jenny

--- Renee <gaiacita wrote:

 

> Bylaw? Lose membership for selling? Ok, let's do

> this one more time--use

> the delete button. And for those of you on digest,

> skip to the next message

> And can we give up this selling conversation

> (because we will NEVER come

> to any conclusion because it seems we are split

> 50/50 on how we feel about

> it) and get on with health issues? How about we

> make a new years

> resolution--stick to health posts and let the

> selling chips fall where they

> may.

>

> Happy New Year and may 07 bring you great health,

> prosperity and happiness.

>

>

> Samala,

> Renee

>

> ----

>

> In seeing today's digest still mentioning this I

> think it should be a

> Consideration to pose to the group, should we simply

> set up some sort of

> Bylaw that states anyone attempting to sell loses

> membership? Or should we

> Agree to keep it to a minimum and eat our comments?

> Seriously, I am usually

> Eager to read today's digest for hints and news in

> the alternative world and

>

> All of this negativity and back and forth to sell or

> not to sell is just not

>

> Working for us and our overarching goals. How should

> we move it forward so

> it's not such an issue in the future?

>

>

 

 

Immature love is loving someone because you need them, mature love is needing

someone because you love them!

[Guest guest]

To me,

selling products is Off topic and if it is allowe dby our moderator, it should

be done politely and with a topic heading that says OT " off-topic " herb sale or

what ever so we can read or delete as we choose.

 

Best to All

 

Michael

 

 

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bite you.

that is the primary difference between dogs and Men

 

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[Guest guest]

Sharon had mentioned zeolite and I emailed her privately and have

ordered some.

She does not push her web page on the list, but she is a very

knowledgeable lady

and I am glad she talked about this product.

Margi

 

Kathleen Ramsey wrote:

 

> I have bought several products I did not know existed. If they have

> something good then go for it. If the person has taken the product and

> really believes in it they should be able to advertise it. If they message

> you privately and try to sell you stuff without you asking then they

> should

> be removed. I am going to try the zeolite for sure. I am a naturopath and

> have many patients needing wanting celation but it is hard on you to

> remove

> the toxins through the liver. This product seems like it might work, had

> susan not mentioned it I would have never know about it. Thanks Kathy

>

>

> <%40>

> [

> <%40>] On Behalf Of gabe

> Monday, January 01, 2007 12:22 PM

>

> <%40>

> Re: using this group as a way to sell

> products

>

> In seeing today's digest still mentioning this I think it should be a

> consideration to pose to the group, should we simply set up some sort of

> bylaw that states anyone attempting to sell loses membership? Or should we

> agree to keep it to a minimum and eat our comments? Seriously, I am

> usually

> eager to read today's digest for hints and news in the alternative

> world and

> all of this negativity and back and forth to sell or not to sell is

> just not

> working for us and our overarching goals. How should we move it forward so

> it's not such an issue in the future?

>

> Just trying to bring some action to alleviating one more headache

>

> Happy New Year all!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just a note, not trying to spoil anything for anyone, but remember--no

matter how great a product is, it doesn't always work for everyone. I had

read so much about the zeolite I decided to try it. I took a full bottle in

10 days, the " boost " stage that they talk about, and never noticed any

difference at all in my health. Now, I know a lady that swears it saved her

from having a kidney transplant, and others that it has made a major impact

on their health, but it didn't do a thing for me. So, I hope it works for

you, but if not, know that nothing works for everyone. But, you won't know

till you try! :-)

 

Samala

Renee

 

----

 

Sharon had mentioned zeolite and I emailed her privately and have

Ordered some.

She does not push her web page on the list, but she is a very

Knowledgeable lady

And I am glad she talked about this product.

[Guest guest]

Renee, that is so true, in my practice I use a little of everything

depending on the client, some massage works, others herbs or homeopathy.

But I will say celation takes longer than 10 days. A herbal is usually a

minimum of 2 to 3 months if you are lucky to bring you back into balance. I

would of done a 30 day then wrote it off. I am learning quantum touch and

furthering my Homeopathy education now to round off my practice to try and

help where other things fail, a combination usually works best. Thanks

Kathy

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Renee

Monday, January 01, 2007 2:53 PM

 

Re: Re: using this group as a way to sell

products

 

 

 

Just a note, not trying to spoil anything for anyone, but remember--no

matter how great a product is, it doesn't always work for everyone. I had

read so much about the zeolite I decided to try it. I took a full bottle in

10 days, the " boost " stage that they talk about, and never noticed any

difference at all in my health. Now, I know a lady that swears it saved her

from having a kidney transplant, and others that it has made a major impact

on their health, but it didn't do a thing for me. So, I hope it works for

you, but if not, know that nothing works for everyone. But, you won't know

till you try! :-)

 

Samala

Renee

 

----

 

Sharon had mentioned zeolite and I emailed her privately and have

Ordered some.

She does not push her web page on the list, but she is a very

Knowledgeable lady

And I am glad she talked about this product.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I've also bought some herbs from Ien from our group that I never

heard of because they come from the rainforest and I've never seen

it in the store. I healed a cracked finger overnight and got rid of

a skin ulcer with it, also overnight. Amazing stuff and better than

the aloe vera that I normally would have used for these things.

 

Ien wrote a post about a week ago or so about how this group is

something like a health fair. We can move from booth to booth and

learn about new things and if we don't like it we just move on to

the next booth. If we were at a health fair we wouldn't start

getting annoyed at the vendors or having them banned from the show

would we?

 

Some groups prefer when we do sell a particular product that may

help someone that we contact the person directly who asks a question

about it. Personally, I feel that the whole group can benefit

though and limiting it to just that person does the group a

diservice. I've seen things that may help others but I didn't

necessarily think of posting here on their behalf. I also recommend

other products that may help. The bottom line is that no matter

advice or what product you take, someone is making a profit unless

you are picking a herb from a field or a tree yourself.

 

I've also noticed that pure spam posts are ignored by members and

don't get replies and I think that's the easiest way to handle it.

Just ignore or delete. I love the digest because it allows me to

read whatever posts I want to. If you don't know about this option

just go to the Edit Membership link which is in blue right above the

bar.

 

Have a great day everyone!

 

Sharon

 

 

 

 

, " Kathleen Ramsey "

<kathy wrote:

>

> I have bought several products I did not know existed. If they

have

> something good then go for it. If the person has taken the

product and

> really believes in it they should be able to advertise it. If

they message

> you privately and try to sell you stuff without you asking then

they should

> be removed. I am going to try the zeolite for sure. I am a

naturopath and

> have many patients needing wanting celation but it is hard on you

to remove

> the toxins through the liver. This product seems like it might

work, had

> susan not mentioned it I would have never know about it. Thanks

Kathy

[Guest guest]

> > I joined this group because I like to try alternative methods of

> > healing, and felt a group this size, others would have tried things.

> > I DO NOT think this should be an avenue for people to try to sell

>their expensive products!!

>

> > This is just my opinion.

>

>Thank-you for stating your opinion because I feel the same way.

>Maybe if more of us speak up we can put a stop to THIS.

>

>I agree with both of you... this group is becoming a sales tool for

>many of you. I think we should establish rules and remove people

>who don't follow them. If their products will help someone and the

>promoter is confident of that, then they SHOULD write privately and

>not put the entire list on hold with one person's

>problem. Thanks!!! Victoria

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

At 03:28 PM 12/31/06, you wrote:

>I think we've all been over this before, and come to the conclusion that so

>long as the person " trying to sell something " is a regular contributor with

>posts that don't always include their products, and are up front about the

>posts when they do think their product will help a person, then they are

>allowed to post. We can't all know about every product out there so it's a

>good thing when someone else has tried a product and it worked for them, and

>they love it so much they are now selling it. That says something for the

>worthiness of the product, don't you think? I personally LIKE to read about

>other people's experiences with products I know nothing about. The person

>we all find annoying is the one who never even used the product and is

>simply using this group as a sales spring board. Apparently though, no one

> whether they believe and use their own product, or are simply salesmen,

>gets kicked off the list. So, it's up to the reader to determine whether

>the person (and product) is worth reading. If you DON'T think the person's

>posts are worth reading or their product worth hearing about, there's always

>the magic delete button. And if you are really annoyed at the

>person/product there's always the block sender option in your email program.

> Use that and you never have to see another annoying post again.

>

>PS--expensive is determined by the size of the wallet of the reader. :-)

>Besides, like the saying goes--how much is your health worth??

>

>Samala

>Renee

 

 

Again, I say the person with the product should write PRIVATELY to

the person needing help.

 

Vicki

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

>We did this exact discussion way back and nothing was changed, I guess we

>just have to live with it unfortunately.

>

>Dawn

 

Dawn - we need to enforce the rules. That's like saying that it's

just too bad if your boss sexually harasses you! No... we should set

the rules and the listowner should enforce them. This is our group

and if we don't want to be spammed or sold products by anyone on the

list, we should decide what we want and make it happen.

 

My opinion is mine of course.

 

Thanks for expressing yours!

 

 

[Guest guest]

Oh absolutely. But I was assured that the 10 day jump start would really " do

something for me--for everyone actually. :-), even though I told the lady I

didn't have much wrong with me. I actually wanted to see what it would do

before giving it to my father. He has leukemia and diabetes and I didn't

want it to do too much detoxing all at once. Well, that 10 day did nothing

for me. Zip. Nada. So not saying that it wouldn't do anything for Dad, but I

really needed to see some sort of response myself before giving it to him.

He knows nothing about anything alternative, and relies on me for his health

as he's also blind from the diabetes. Therefore he can't get to the

bathroom very quickly, and I needed to see how this stuff would react on me

first, but because it didn't do anything for me, I'm reluctant to give it to

him. What if it gave him violent diarrhea? That would be too much for him.

Sooo. But, I just wanted to let everyone know that there's always the

chance that something won't work at all, or the way it's suppose to. But

not to be disappointed--keep trying. You just never know when you will find

the perfect product for the problem. And you are right again, Kathy--it's

almost ALWAYS a combination of things that work best. Diet, exercise, fresh

air, good clean water, supplements, good food, energy work, balanced

emotions and products.

 

Samala

Renee

 

----

Renee, that is so true, in my practice I use a little of everything

Depending on the client, some massage works, others herbs or homeopathy.

But I will say celation takes longer than 10 days. A herbal is usually a

Minimum of 2 to 3 months if you are lucky to bring you back into balance. I

Would of done a 30 day then wrote it off. I am learning quantum touch and

Furthering my Homeopathy education now to round off my practice to try and

Help where other things fail, a combination usually works best. Thanks

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Oh how I am fed up with all these differing opinions about whether someone

should be allowed to post a sales message or not. I have only read just one,

one, well reasoned response. My mailbox has been filled to the brim with

irrational replies from people who have been judgemental.

 

We would have no products of any kind, nor any information about anything

with which to tax our brains and to mull over if people didn't communicate.

It does not matter if the communication is pitched as a sales mechanism or

information only. People DO trade and they DO, even if they are unaware of

doing so, communicate. Trade and information makes the world go round and

most of us sell ourselves in the pursuit of the daily dollar, pound, shekel

or dhiram. It is altruism in the extreme to judge someone to be beyond the

limits of acceptance because they happen to mention that they sell things.

If it is found to be distasteful to you then exercise your personal right to

delete or ignore and please get back on the path to sanity and realism.

 

Censorship is an evil with which we should all do without. Demanding

censorship is what is really beyond acceptance.

 

I don't want to read a digest. I want individual mails and I am prepared to

ignore or delete those of no interest but over 80% of today's individual

mails have been deleted by me and the sad thing is I have to read some of

the responses just to find out its more nastiness.

 

God's teeth - end it now and move on.

[Guest guest]

I would say that it is the list owner's group, and if you don't like it,

you are free to leave.

 

Victoria Satta wrote:

 

>

> >We did this exact discussion way back and nothing was changed, I guess we

> >just have to live with it unfortunately.

> >

> >Dawn

>

> Dawn - we need to enforce the rules. That's like saying that it's

> just too bad if your boss sexually harasses you! No... we should set

> the rules and the listowner should enforce them. This is our group

> and if we don't want to be spammed or sold products by anyone on the

> list, we should decide what we want and make it happen.

>

> My opinion is mine of course.

>

> Thanks for expressing yours!

>

>

[Guest guest]

ok ...I have a question. If someone is sharing their experience about a

product that they have used....is that spamming? I tend to like to hear

about other's experiences because I would rather hear about a product from

someone who has used it rather than from someone who is selling it.

 

Monique

On Behalf Of Victoria Satta

Monday, January 01, 2007 1:51 PM

Re: Re: using this group as a way to sell

products

 

 

At 03:34 PM 12/31/06, you wrote:

>its just the same as spamming

 

Agree - it " IS " spamming in my opinion.

 

Vicki