Magnesium

April 29, 2005

In order to truly know whether your son is in fact ADHD...he needs to

be tested. The places that do their job correctly will have him do all

kinds of harmless tests...they test IQ, they testhis speech, talk to a

psychologist...all kinds of things. I recommend finding a place that

only deals with ADD people...and do this kind of testing. go to

www.add.org ( or adhd) and there you will find the info you need.

Assuming and not getting the proper diagnosis will not work. Nor will

using add as a crutch of reason for poor behavior and laziness.

Blueowl

, " Charlotte " <csartell@a...>

wrote:

>

> Hello,

> I am wondering what would be the stats for over 16yrs old?

> I have a son age 18 and he thinks he might have ADD.

> We are looking for an alternative to the drugs on the market.

> I am really interested in this subject, please, let me know the info

> you have.

> Thank you,

> Charlotte

April 30, 2005

Blue Owl,

Thank you for your input,I will definitely look into that.

It looks to be very helpful.

Charlotte

----

Sarah

04/29/05 09:38:48

Re: magnesium

In order to truly know whether your son is in fact ADHD...he needs to be tested. The places that do their job correctly will have him do all kinds of harmless tests...they test IQ, they testhis speech, talk to a psychologist...all kinds of things. I recommend finding a place that only deals with ADD people...and do this kind of testing. go to www.add.org ( or adhd) and there you will find the info you need. Assuming and not getting the proper diagnosis will not work. Nor will using add as a crutch of reason for poor behavior and laziness. Blueowl , "Charlotte" <csartell@a...> wrote:> > Hello,> I am wondering what would be the stats for over 16yrs old?> I have a son age 18 and he thinks he might have ADD.> We are looking for an alternative to the drugs on the market.> I am really interested in this subject, please, let me know the info > you have.> Thank you,> Charlotte

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May 1, 2005

-You are very welcome. The reason I stress this so much is because

there are so many kids who are diagnosed and on meds that don't need

to be. At all. They are simply normal..someparents expect these kids

to be perfectly behaved, and they forget how they were when they were

young. In this day and age of video games, and not alot of

imagination...kids get rambunctious (SP?) and have alot of energy,

because well, parents don't kick their kids outside and tell them to

blow off some stink! Somekids are more affected by ADHD than

others..some kids are very mild..and don't need meds..and some do. I

am an ADHD person. So, I know how it is. My father is a wealth of

information when it co mes to this stuff too. He always refers me to

that site. it is very informative and will point you in the right

direction with the right people who diagnose properly and not just

throw them willy nilly on drugs and tell you to have a nice day!

Blueowl

-- In , " charlotte " <csartell@a...>

wrote:

> Blue Owl,

> Thank you for your input,I will definitely look into that.

> It looks to be very helpful.

> Charlotte

> ----

>

> Sarah

> 04/29/05 09:38:48

>

> Re: magnesium

>

> In order to truly know whether your son is in fact ADHD...he needs

to

> be tested. The places that do their job correctly will have him do

all

> kinds of harmless tests...they test IQ, they testhis speech, talk

to a

> psychologist...all kinds of things. I recommend finding a place

that

> only deals with ADD people...and do this kind of testing. go to

> www.add.org ( or adhd) and there you will find the info you need.

> Assuming and not getting the proper diagnosis will not work. Nor

will

> using add as a crutch of reason for poor behavior and laziness.

>

> Blueowl

>

> , " Charlotte "

<csartell@a...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hello,

> > I am wondering what would be the stats for over 16yrs old?

> > I have a son age 18 and he thinks he might have ADD.

> > We are looking for an alternative to the drugs on the market.

> > I am really interested in this subject, please, let me know the

info

> > you have.

> > Thank you,

> > Charlotte

May 1, 2005

I have to agree about parents, wanting the miracle pill to get

the perfect child. I just never knew about the magnesium.. I think I

will try him on that today before doing anything else.

thank you again.

Charlotte

Sarah

05/01/05 09:56:28

Re: magnesium

-You are very welcome. The reason I stress this so much is because there are so many kids who are diagnosed and on meds that don't need to be. At all. They are simply normal..someparents expect these kids to be perfectly behaved, and they forget how they were when they were young. In this day and age of video games, and not alot of imagination...kids get rambunctious (SP?) and have alot of energy, because well, parents don't kick their kids outside and tell them to blow off some stink! Somekids are more affected by ADHD than others..some kids are very mild..and don't need meds..and some do. I am an ADHD person. So, I know how it is. My father is a wealth of information when it co mes to this stuff too. He always refers me to that site. it is very informative and will point you in the right direction with the right people who diagnose properly and not just throw them willy nilly on drugs and tell you to have a nice day! Blueowl -- In , "charlotte" <csartell@a...> wrote:> Blue Owl,> Thank you for your input,I will definitely look into that.> It looks to be very helpful.> Charlotte> ----> > Sarah> 04/29/05 09:38:48> > Re: magnesium> > In order to truly know whether your son is in fact ADHD...he needs to > be tested. The places that do their job correctly will have him do all > kinds of harmless tests...they test IQ, they testhis speech, talk to a > psychologist...all kinds of things. I recommend finding a place that > only deals with ADD people...and do this kind of testing. go to > www.add.org ( or adhd) and there you will find the info you need. > Assuming and not getting the proper diagnosis will not work. Nor will > using add as a crutch of reason for poor behavior and laziness. > > Blueowl > > , "Charlotte" <csartell@a...> > wrote:> > > > Hello,> > I am wondering what would be the stats for over 16yrs old?> > I have a son age 18 and he thinks he might have ADD.> > We are looking for an alternative to the drugs on the market.> > I am really interested in this subject, please, let me know the info > > you have.> > Thank you,> > Charlotte> > > > > > >

May 9, 2006

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Vinod Kumar " <vinod3x3

wrote:

>

> This is an issue that few TCM people have looked into but is one

that

> should be clearly understood.

Unfortunately it's also an issue that few MDs and DOs have studied.

There is a long list of health problems that are caused or

influenced by magnesium deficiency. Some of the best writing on the

subject comes from Mildred Seelig, MD. Her writings can be Googled.

What gets me is that a lot of what is known about Mg has been known

since at least the 1950s. It's been ignored in favor of selling

expensive drugs. Minerals and vitamins aren't big money makers for

pharmaceutical companies. Something that's come out in more recent

research is how big of a role Mg plays in immune function.

Thanks for the additional info on GABA and brain chemistry.

> Simple anecdote - one lady in our support group was having

difficulty

> getting benefit from herbal therapies and diet - she would get

small

> benefit and then it seemed that it did not hold and she fell back

to

> her old symptoms. She saw Dr. Braverman and followed his protocal -

> and after about two months she began to get full benefit from her

> herbs and diet - her Organ systems began to function again and she

> eventually achieved balance and full recovery from a 25 year old

case

> of CFS and FM (actually different forms of the same disease).

I suspect that cases like this happen more often than is realized.

ALL the needed factors have to be present before healing can be

complete.

As I mentioned before, I'm seeing a chiropractor who knows a lot

about nutrition and knows some TCM and does acupuncture. I decided

to see a professional healer because after 4 years of slacking off

on vitamins, most minerals, and TCM herbal formulas, I'm running

into the problem of Deficient and Unable to Receive Tonification.

Seeing this healer is an education. He also lent me a copy of a

book about adrenal fatigue. It wasn't until I read the book and

answered some of his questions that I realized that when I made such

dramatic improvement before and had no problems with the herbs, I

had been on adrenal and thyroid support prior to this. On my own I

doubt I would have recognized this as a " missing ingredient " in my

healing. Something that had been present back then that wasn't

present now. It was only when he asked me if any doctor had ever

suspected I had adrenal problems that I thought of the doctors who

have suspected this over the years. It was only after reading the

book that I remembered that in addition to all the other tests of

adrenal function, I had been tested for DHEA and had been on DHEA

supplementation prior to seeing the TCM herablist. The main factors -

the co-factors - appear to have been the vitamin and mineral

supplements, the specific adrenal (and thyroid) support, and the TCM

herbs prescribed according to TCM imbalances that were present.

There was also regular massage - which I also slacked off doing.

I answered a questionnaire from the Symptom Survey Maestro computer

program. What came out the strongest was hypoadrenal problems. This

was followed by Sugar Handling, followed by a need for B vitamins,

followed by Parasympathetic Dominance, followed by liver dysfunction.

The Parasympathetic Dominance of the nervous system that interests

me in particular. Part of the treatment for this is " acid ash

minerals including Phosphorus " . This is supplied by 10 drops of

liquid into a few ounces of water 3X daily. It's surprisingly thirst

quenching for me.

From time to time I have craved a liquid I couldn't identify. All I

knew was that I wanted something very, very, very lightly sweet

which was also sour or " tangy " . The closest I could come to this

was cranberry juice - which is too sweet and I can't dilute the

sweetness without also diluting the sourness. Or the old coke a

cola in the small glass bottles. The more concentrated Coke. (I

don't care what the Coke company says about their Classic Coke.

That is NOT what was in those small glass bottles of Coke. The ones

that had the tangy " bite " that was so thirst quenching. The ones

that were more tangy and less sweet than the Coke in the regular

size glass bottles.) As it turns out, the ortho-phosphoric acid

solution with the B vitamins inositol and riboflavin is satisfying

that thrist. I've also been told that ortho-phosphoric acid was

(is?) in coke a cola.

>

> All of the 'centering' practices help to rebuild GABA functions -

like

> meditation - Chi Kung - Tai Chi - Yoga - etc.

One thing that I point out from time to time on here is that if

someone is Yin Deficient, the person may have trouble learning to

meditate until that Yin Deficiency is at least partially corrected.

The moving form of meditation like Qi Gong, Tai Qi, and Yoga may be

far easier for such a person to learn and engage in than the sitting

meditations. (For readers who are new to TCM, Yin calms, cools, and

moistens the body. If a person is Yin Deficient, one of the

possible symptoms is that the person has " nervous energy " and has

trouble relaxing or even sitting still. A person who is Yin

Deficient can have an extremely hard time learning and engaging in

sitting still meditation. Since one moves in Qi Gong, Ta'i Qi, and

Yoga, there is less of a problem learning and using them.)

May 10, 2006

I take gabapentin (Neurontin) for what western medicine has diagnosed

as radicular neuropathy in my left hand. Once the (assumed)

inflamation of the brachial nerve branch calmed down, the pain

retreated from my whole arm (emphasis on lateral elbow and lower arm,

radiating through the hand to the tip of L index finger. Now, feeling

in the distal segment of the index finger is altered. If I don't pay

attention to posture, not twisting etc., pain become severe as though

a nail has been hammered through the finger. Only occaisionally do

more fingers or the palm of the hand get involved.

I wanted to continue to use Mg as a calming agent but Mg is

contraindicated when taking gabapentin.

(This all started in 2002 when I decided to get off of Parnate, an

MAOI that I've been on since 1986. It certainly was related to the

stress of that decision.)

In March '05 I began seeing a DCM who runs a TCM school in Asheville

NC. Withdrawal has been much easier to stand since I started TCM which

includes acupuncture and herbs. Depression was misdiagnosed to begin

with. I've been suffering female hormone imbalance all my adult life.

My DCM would like me to stop all nutritional supplements except ground

flax seed and fish oil. (both have essential fatty acids)

In '02 I began seeing an integrative psych-doc who recommended

parmaceutical grade supplements, amino acids, progesterone, etc. I was

already taking a myriad of vitamins. His protocol grew less and less

effective in assisting me to withdraw from the MAOI so I tried TCM

instead. My DCM says (I think) that the supplements stress the Spleen.

I have a bit of trouble keeping all the diagnoses straight. They have

changed over the year I think. I get confused over what I should be

eating. Seems that I eat all the wrong foods for healing my condition.

Often I'm afraid to eat anything because it will be wrong.

I'm interested in comments on not being able to take Mg anymore. It

seems that folks in the group encourage it. Also on obsessing on the

proper way to eatï¿½ not using the right seasoning, eating

inappropriately for ones condition. My DCM says to just eat; it's

worse to obsess over it.

I'm rambling. I apologize and I'll stop now.

Thank you for any comments.

Diana

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Vinod Kumar " <vinod3x3 wrote:

>

> > Mg also is a GABA-enhancer. GABA is an inhibitory neurotransmitter.

> > Inhibitory and excitatory neurotransmitters are supposed to be more

> > or less in balance so nerves neither fire to much or too little.

>

> This is an issue that few TCM people have looked into but is one that

> should be clearly understood. Perhaps some have read my frequent

> references to the ideas that make a link between brain chemistry and

> exhaustive states. I always ask for a Cortisol test and if this looks

> OK (meaning not below medium low or lower)then I assume brain chemical

> imbalance as the primary symbol for the ANS imbalance. Of course many

> cases will have both markers.

>

> Many think of Dopamine in these cases because of fatigue and other

> defeciency symptoms - but in reality the real problem is very often

> GABA. GABA is an inhibatory neurotransmitter - but it's real role is

> to create a balance between Dopamine, Acetylcholine and Seratonin,

> Endorphins. This is the symbol of the ANS imbalance. Correction of

> these imbalances by correcting the GABA functions will resolve the ANS

> imbalance. An expert in this subject that I often refer people to is

> Dr. Eric Braverman. Dr. Braverman has helped many people climb out of

> severe brain chemical imbalance. His full protocal is only available

> to well to do people since it intails going to New York to his clinic -

> he is physician to many celebreties and wealthy people and the basic

> workup will cost around $5000+ - this is worthwhile if one can afford

> it - but one must remember that to rebalance brain chemistry takes

> commitment. Dr. Braverman is using cutting edge diagnostic techniques

> to actually measure the level and balance of brain chemicals. Dr.

> Braverman has a book where one can take a simple test to measure which

> brain chemicals are imbalanced. Many people who take the tests and

> follow the non-prescription part of Braverman's protocol get benefit

> from taking appropriate brain chemical precursors. In fact for mild

> exhaustive states this is the best way to go. These substances can be

> bought in the Health Food store. This approach combined with herbs,

> diet, appropriate exercise, and centering practices has proven to be a

> very effective healing modality for many.

>

> Simple anecdote - one lady in our support group was having difficulty

> getting benefit from herbal therapies and diet - she would get small

> benefit and then it seemed that it did not hold and she fell back to

> her old symptoms. She saw Dr. Braverman and followed his protocal -

> and after about two months she began to get full benefit from her

> herbs and diet - her Organ systems began to function again and she

> eventually achieved balance and full recovery from a 25 year old case

> of CFS and FM (actually different forms of the same disease).

>

> All of the 'centering' practices help to rebuild GABA functions - like

> meditation - Chi Kung - Tai Chi - Yoga - etc. I have a set of

> exercises that I have developed to help in 'centering' - I call

> these 'Circles and Squares' - there are many ancient and modern

> exercises that attempt to bring the nervous system to the center.

> Search the term Stuctural Integration and you will find many exercises

> that work on centering. I do not have the authors name with me but

> there is one simple very effective protocal called 'Infinity Walk' -

> the authors name is Sharon ---something --. I recomend this in many

> imbalanced conditions of the brain and nervous system like ADD - ADHD -

> Dyslexia - ANS imbalances - etc. Feldenkrais technique is also useful

> for those who need centering but can not do standing exercises.

>

May 11, 2006

Leaving the neuropathy issue aside - much more info is needed to

comment here.

Gabapentin is a drug often used nowadays for pain syndromes and in my

opinion the theory is correct. The base issue is of course GABA

itself - GABA is certainly a subject that should be understood in all

excess of sensation - it indicates a loss of balance between the

excititory and inhibitory functions of the brain - this is the role of

GABA. Correcting the underlying imbalance will prove helpful in at

least the way we react to pain stimuli. Remember my previous

encouragement to 'balancing' or 'centering' exercises in these types

of imbalance.

the problem with Gabapentin and Magnesium has to do mainly with

absorption issues - do not take these substances together - keep them

at least 2 hours apart. Gabapentin and Magnesium can have a

synergistic effect. I do not agree with taking the very large doses

that many clinicans are prescribing for FM and other chronic pain

syndromes. There are several new substances being developed for

balancing GABA functions.

Please remember that Gabapentin nor Magnesium are cures for any

disease syndrome they are simply palative measures. It is necessary to

discover the underlying causes of the symptoms they are helping and

work on those to affect a 'cure'.

November 7, 2007

I understand what you are saying -- but the Flouride in our drinking

water

is replacing the calcium in our bones. How do we get Flouride out of our

bones once it is in our bones. Too much calcium and not enough

sunlight, and cause Mr. Arthur Itis to flair up.

What to eat -- ??

thea

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" Miracle Yorkies " <miracleyorkies

Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:51:18 -0500

magnesium

Message-ID: <00ae01c82145$45ded2b0$9100a8c0@marsha>

Magnesium is extremely important in our diets. I have heard that 80% of

us who are walking on this earth, are deficient in this essential

mineral. Magnesium is extremely important for our muscles. Many with

muscle weakness or aches would probably benefit from taking this

supplement. It is important to know to balance this w/calcium. You should

balance it approx 2/1 or 3/1 calcium to magnesium. Be sure you are

taking your D to help absorb your calcium. I thought this was worth

repeating for some of the newer memebers. Fibromialgia is often helped by

upping your magnesium intake. Be careful to balance the two, as magnesium

alone can cause loose stools or diarhea. If you find you are having

problems like this, lessen your amount of magnesium.

Marsha and the Yorkies

http://www.miracleyorkies.com

November 7, 2007

Thank you for this clear message... Now I even know

the ratio... I am trying very hard to combat my

osteoporosis... and this helps... I certainly don't

want to take the drugs that my doctor suggested.

Thanks again

Ingrid

--- Miracle Yorkies <miracleyorkies

wrote:

> Magnesium is extremely important in our diets. I

> have heard that 80% of us who are walking on this

> earth, are deficient in this essential mineral.

> Magnesium is extremely important for our muscles.

> Many with muscle weakness or aches would probably

> benefit from taking this supplement. It is important

> to know to balance this w/calcium. You should

> balance it approx 2/1 or 3/1 calcium to magnesium.

> Be sure you are taking your D to help absorb your

> calcium. I thought this was worth repeating for some

> of the newer memebers. Fibromialgia is often helped

> by upping your magnesium intake. Be careful to

> balance the two, as magnesium alone can cause loose

> stools or diarhea. If you find you are having

> problems like this, lessen your amount of magnesium.

>

> Marsha and the Yorkies

> http://www.miracleyorkies.com

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

November 7, 2007

I take magnesium it has really helped me with the circulation in my legs. I

would like to know what is the maximum you should take on a daily basis?

-

Miracle Yorkies

Wednesday, November 07, 2007 4:51 AM

magnesium

Magnesium is extremely important in our diets. I have heard that 80% of us who

are walking on this earth, are deficient in this essential mineral. Magnesium is

extremely important for our muscles. Many with muscle weakness or aches would

probably benefit from taking this supplement. It is important to know to balance

this w/calcium. You should balance it approx 2/1 or 3/1 calcium to magnesium. Be

sure you are taking your D to help absorb your calcium. I thought this was worth

repeating for some of the newer memebers. Fibromialgia is often helped by upping

your magnesium intake. Be careful to balance the two, as magnesium alone can

cause loose stools or diarhea. If you find you are having problems like this,

lessen your amount of magnesium.

Marsha and the Yorkies

http://www.miracleyorkies.com

November 8, 2007

I would do a magnetic detox bath. This pulls the

excess minerals and toxins from the body, or a balance

and detox via biofeedback.

Jenny Kernan

Quantum Biofeedback Therapist

www.quantumassociatesofutah.com

--- thelma m noble <nobltn528 wrote:

> I understand what you are saying -- but the Flouride

> in our drinking

> water

> is replacing the calcium in our bones. How do we

> get Flouride out of our

> bones once it is in our bones. Too much calcium and

> not enough

> sunlight, and cause Mr. Arthur Itis to flair up.

> What to eat -- ??

> thea

>

> --------- Forwarded message ----------

> " Miracle Yorkies "

> <miracleyorkies

>

> Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:51:18 -0500

> magnesium

> Message-ID: <00ae01c82145$45ded2b0$9100a8c0@marsha>

>

> Magnesium is extremely important in our diets. I

> have heard that 80% of

> us who are walking on this earth, are deficient in

> this essential

> mineral. Magnesium is extremely important for our

> muscles. Many with

> muscle weakness or aches would probably benefit from

> taking this

> supplement. It is important to know to balance this

> w/calcium. You should

> balance it approx 2/1 or 3/1 calcium to magnesium.

> Be sure you are

> taking your D to help absorb your calcium. I thought

> this was worth

> repeating for some of the newer memebers.

> Fibromialgia is often helped by

> upping your magnesium intake. Be careful to balance

> the two, as magnesium

> alone can cause loose stools or diarhea. If you find

> you are having

> problems like this, lessen your amount of magnesium.

>

> Marsha and the Yorkies

> http://www.miracleyorkies.com

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

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November 8, 2007

I wouldn't be able to advise on that on a per person basis, but I believe the

general rule of thumb would be something like 1200 calcium, 400 magnesium, 400

D. Some may want to take a little more or less of each, but this is something

to go on and then figure out what is best for your own specific needs.

Marsha