Diet

[Guest guest]

, " boaz colodner " <b_colodner@h...>

wrote:

 

hot spices in hot climates ....

 

these are generally thought to be used for their strong antibacterial

effects in areas that historically had no refrigeration and high rate

sof foodborne illness. this may be a tradeoff for short term gain at

the expense of longterm health. But if you die of salmonella, the

question of living a long life is moot, anyway.

>

[Guest guest]

 

 

>As to whether

> enzymes in raw veggies survive the HCL, I am not so sure. But it

> remains a possibility.

>

Again, while the discussion about (not to mention

research into) whether or not particular

enzymes survive in the digestive tract

beyond the stomach is both interesting

and important, we shouldn't overlook

the dynamics of digestion that begin

long before the food ever gets to the

stomach.

 

I've seen literature that suggests that

animals that eat raw foods that contain

lots of living enzymes manufacture fewer

digestive enzymes and therefore use

relatively higher percentages of their

total energy that is expended on enzyme

production making enzymes for other

purposes. Since humans are the only

animals that cook their foods, it does

seem " only natural. "

 

Still most of this literature is neither conclusive

or convincing, but the general principle

that consuming foods with their natural

supply of enzymes alive and operational

contributes to better breakdown and

uptake of the various components

of that food seems fundamentally sound.

Whether or not the specific action and

processes that take place in order to

effect this result happen in the stomach

or before or after the food is in the

stomach is a distinct issue.

 

Therefore proving that enzymes do or

don't survive the environment in the

stomach doesn't prove or disprove their

importance in human nutrition.

 

Ken

[Guest guest]

very very hot spices are a major part of the diets. any thoughts

>>>Boaz I think this is for food preservation and for satisfying hunger when food may be scares. Another possibility is that the swatting and vasodilation these foods cause help despite heat

Alon

[Guest guest]

Could it be that if you are in poor health, then enzymes will pass intact into the bloodstream, where they may be of therapeutic benefit?

>>>That definitely is a possibility

Alon

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/27/03 5:15:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Chinese Medicine writes:

Blood pH is very closely controlled. I just checked my saliva pH its 7.0 on

the Atkins diet.

Alon

How interesting. I have been giving the Atkins diet a rethink Alon since you

post about taking people off insulin by using a modified diet of this sort.

Also there is a Dr. William Douglass Campbell who is now going around and being

promoted for dissing vegetarianism and promoting meat and other things. Does

anyone know anything about this person? Agora publishing is pushing his stuff.

Usually they are pretty good but this guy seems a bit weird. I have found that

people who go by the Blood type diet do well. It used to be that you could

send them blood and they would work up a specific allergenic profile but I don't

know if they are still doing it.

 

I would love to know more about Alon's success with diabetics.

 

Thanks!

Bobbi

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I would love to know more about Alon's success with diabetics.

 

>>>>I do not have a large practice of diabetics. But as of now i have convinced

about 10 patients to try the atkins diet. Every one of them has their daily

readings and HbA1 reduce to normal. 8 of them were on oral meds and two on

insulin. One got off insulin and the other still has to inject but now she get

normal readings. Before even with regular use of both long and short acting

insulin she had constant readings in the 300s. She now has morning reading of

90-130.

Alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Alon!

 

I'm curious, why recommend the Atkins diet over a program restricting

high glycemic carbohydrate intake, without the severe total

restriction in carbohydrates? I'm curious to hear more.

 

When I hear the name Atkins, I generally cringe, not only because of

the excessive saturated fat intake, but also due to the extreme

restriction of even low glycemic carbohydrates which can cause the

body's natural lypolytic capabilities to shut down over a period of

time, presenting even greater health concerns down the road.

 

While I tend to recommend limiting high-glycemic carbohydrate intake,

especially in the case of diabetes, my experiences with clients on

the Atkins diet have shown the diet to be quite counter productive.

If you've had success with patients using the diet, I'd like to hear

more.

 

Thanks!

 

Best,

 

Andrea

[Guest guest]

I'm curious, why recommend the Atkins diet over a program restricting

high glycemic carbohydrate intake, without the severe total

restriction in carbohydrates? I'm curious to hear more.

 

>>>>I first tried a Zone (which is a more balanced approach) diet for the

diabetics but it did not work except for very mild cases. Now i work in Oakland

Ca and most of my patients are on politically correct diets (i.e., organic

foods, high in vegetable and fruits etc). Most of my patients are professionals

from UC Berkeley etc and have not eaten the typical American diet for many

years. Never the less i still see diabetics and syndrome x types. And again my

practice in only about 30% or so primary internal medicine, the rest is pain. I

am not recommending Atkins as a diet for everybody. Only for people that are

clearly syndrome x types or are already diabetics. Now i think many people do

not understand Atkins. While he does say that lots of all kind of animal types

fat are good i tend to recommend more lean meat with it. Second, except for the

first stage one can have, depending on constitution, as much as 80g or more of

carbs per day.He counts carbs differently than the usual way which depending on

the food allows even more.

Now in these patients the only way i continue to recommend the diet is if 1.

their cholesterol and triglicerides go down substantially. Their ratios improve.

If they are diabetic i need to see a significant improvement in glucose control.

If i do not then i would tell them that it is not working for their metabolic

type. So far I never seen a patients in this category that has not benefited.

By they way i also recommend other supplements to ensure good inflammatory

control because theoretically these are foods high in aracadonic acid. I have

never paid attention to pH because i have never seen convincing evidence for the

claims. But am still open. As far as to the so-called decades of evidence for

the natural diet (ie high carbs), i have seen lots of challenging evidence that

has been ignored by main stream.

So when asked by the patients i do tell them that i do not know what is the real

" truth " about the risks and benefits of such a diet and i tell them to judge from

how they feel and lab tests.

Alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

Alon: By they way i also recommend other supplements to ensure good

inflammatory control because theoretically these are foods high in

aracadonic acid.

 

Karen: what supplements do you recommend? My partner and I have been

following Atkins for almost a year, for weight loss, and it's worked

very well. We take a very good multi vit/min.

 

BTW, thank you for explaining that Atkins doesn't advocate no carbs.

I've been on the stump about that for a while now; am considering

keeping a response to that on file so I don't have to keep typing it

out. ;-) I highly suggest people who wish to challenge Atkins visit

the web site http://atkins.com/ . I am ready to read substantive

concerns about possible long term effects, but so far all has been based

on studies of the effect of high fat diets that also include carbs - too

many variables in the study. IMO.

 

>

[Guest guest]

i recommend EFAs, alpha lipoic, and herbals

Alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks Alon, for sharing this detailed information.

 

I could see where a modified Atkins diet approach could be useful

with some patients. Since you recommend lean meat sources and closely

monitor your patients, accounting for the usual downfalls in this

diet, it sounds as if there is much that can be learned from your

successes, without the usual risks. Please continue to share your

results with us.

 

The typical high-carb diet is not such a good thing, and from my

experience with overweight clients, it often seems that high

carbohydrate intake, especially where the bulk of carbs come from

high-glycemic sources, is a major contributor to their weight problem

(not to mention infrequent caloric consumption that is insufficient

to keep their metabolism elevated). Weight issues aside, for the

average person, and even for many athletes, high-carb diets aren't

generally very healthy.

 

Personally, I think the FDA's food pyramid needs to be tossed out the

window! IMHO, for most people, a Zone diet type approach is a much

healthier approach than the typical high-carb diet the American

public has been force fed for so many years!

 

By the way, how long have you been in Oakland? What do you think of

it? It seems more people are health conscious in the Bay than here

in the Valley (and we're only a short drive from there), but I hope

this awareness will continue to spread.

 

Best wishes,

 

Andrea

[Guest guest]

By the way, how long have you been in Oakland? What do you think of

it? It seems more people are health conscious in the Bay than here

in the Valley (and we're only a short drive from there), but I hope

this awareness will continue to spread.

>>>>>In oakland about 5 years before in berkeley. I like the bay area very much

Alon

 

 

[Guest guest]

Raw foods are important...it's the enzymes. On gorrillas:

It is perhaps surprising that an animal as large and strong as the

mountain gorilla is primarily an herbivore. Mountain gorillas eat over

100 different species of plants. They rarely need to drink since their

diet is so rich in succulent herbs, from which they get their water.

Jon Barron discusses the best case scenario for " correct " human diet

based on where we fit into the animal order. It boils down to digestive

tracts. You can access him via Baseline of Health Foundation and

download his great book for free.

SOY is akin to poison yet urged upon vegetarians as if it's the nectar

of gods. Tell all your friends! Copy & paste this for the inside scoop:

http://www.mercola.com/2005/feb/26/soy_myths.htm

 

Good luck and great health in your transition!

Pete

[Guest guest]

Thanks Pete,

Interesting leads…

I’ll follow up.

Alice J

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of pac1053

Sunday, 23 December 2007

12:39 pm

 

Re:

diet

 

 

 

 

 

Raw foods are important...it's the enzymes. On

gorrillas:

It is perhaps surprising that an animal as large and strong as the

mountain gorilla is primarily an herbivore. Mountain gorillas eat over

100 different species of plants. They rarely need to drink since their

diet is so rich in succulent herbs, from which they get their water.

Jon Barron discusses the best case scenario for " correct " human diet

based on where we fit into the animal order. It boils down to digestive

tracts. You can access him via Baseline of Health Foundation and

download his great book for free.

SOY is akin to poison yet urged upon vegetarians as if it's the nectar

of gods. Tell all your friends! Copy & paste this for the inside scoop:

http://www.mercola.com/2005/feb/26/soy_myths.htm

 

Good luck and great health in your transition!

Pete

[Guest guest]

Well, I don't really to one "perfect" way of eating or dieting. There is no such thing! For a 14 year old, who I'm going to assume eats junk food, the things I'd recommend are common sense things-NO teen girl needs to worry about dieting and getting obsessed about her weight! Her self image is MUCH more important than any diet issues.

 

Having said that, I'd say cutting out ALL junk food-soda, chips, snacks, etc. Anything like that. That is the easiest and the hardest thing for a teen to do. Just giving up soda is a major ordeal for most people.

 

I think the South Beach Diet is about restricting carbs, but it's not as rigid as Atkins, which I DON'T recommend for a 14 year old. I think it's a fairly well balanced diet, but I don't know the particulars.

 

Other than that, cutting out all sugar, and all wheat, would be my first choice for losing weight. After that, restricting dairy-cheese is really high calorie. If she can get into the habit of eating salads, and fruits, and veggies for snacks, then she'll not only lose weight, but be eating healthier, which most teens don't do any way.

 

And of course, getting her interested in some form of exercise-yoga, weights, pilates, is even more important to me than dieting. i say this as the worlds worst couch potato, lol. But i force myself to do it, and I'm always glad when I do. It's great for the mind as well as the body.

 

HTH,

Cyndi

 

In a message dated 7/14/2008 9:34:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ERIKA.T.SOTIRAKOS writes:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ironically, I just had someone at work ask for diet suggestions (books, websites, tips). I have to be honest and say to date I have not had to worry too much about weight issues due to good genes and mediocre to good food choices. I’ll be 40 next month and I have noticed more changes but nothing unmanageable. My focus is more nutrition and sustainability. Do you have any suggestions? It was for my friend’s 14 year old daughter who wants to loose 20 lbs.

 

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[Guest guest]

Ironically, I just had someone at work ask for diet

suggestions (books, websites, tips). I have to be honest and say to date

I have not had to worry too much about weight issues due to good genes and

mediocre to good food choices. I’ll be 40 next month and I have

noticed more changes but nothing unmanageable. My focus is more nutrition

and sustainability. Do you have any suggestions? It was for my

friend’s 14 year old daughter who wants to loose 20 lbs.

 

 

[Guest guest]

I kind of told her the same thing.

 

This girl is very active with sports but still

a little chubby which may be genetic. According to her mom, she eats healthy

but I’m guessing not as healthy as they think which is always the key.

The mom says she (mom not daughter) never eats but I know she drinks a lot of

beer and eats candy bars while taking diet pills. The mom was thinking

the daughter was eating too much fruit but I’m struggling to see how that

could cause that much of a problem. Not to mention the dad works for

Schwann foods which is the company which delivers prepared food to your

home. I suggested a food diary for a week or two to really see what’s

being eaten and how much.

 

I kind of said the same thing: Stick

primarily to fruits, veggies, some meat. Limit processed food,

sugar. Not sure about the dairy, good vs bad fats and good vs bad carb

issues and how far to take those. The bottom line is that more calories

in than burned will cause weight gain.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Most people's ideas about healthy are NOT our ideas, lol. the average person does not want to hear anything about giving up convenience foods. I can't even begin to form words about giving these foods to children in particular. Yes, I did it too. But I took responsibility once I found the internet to do my own research and change my ways. Most people I know do not want to see the truth.

 

Since your friend was asking specifically about a diet for her daughter, and not lifestyle changes the whole family can make, I'll just assume they are not interested in actually eating a REAL healthy diet. So, something like South Beach could still be a way to introduce it to the whole family. Get them cooking something special for their daughter might actually get them all to start thinking about healthier eating.

 

Fruit has fiber, vitamins and antioxidants in it. Even bananas would be fine, since the girl plays sports. Otherwise, I'd worry that bananas might be too high calorie. But she'll benefit from the potassium in bananas during sports season.

 

The food diary is a GREAT idea! Good for you.

 

Cyndi

 

In a message dated 7/14/2008 10:29:38 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ERIKA.T.SOTIRAKOS writes:

 

 

 

 

 

 

I kind of told her the same thing.

 

This girl is very active with sports but still a little chubby which may be genetic. According to her mom, she eats healthy but I’m guessing not as healthy as they think which is always the key. The mom says she (mom not daughter) never eats but I know she drinks a lot of beer and eats candy bars while taking diet pills. The mom was thinking the daughter was eating too much fruit but I’m struggling to see how that could cause that much of a problem. Not to mention the dad works for Schwann foods which is the company which delivers prepared food to your home. I suggested a food diary for a week or two to really see what’s being eaten and how much.

 

I kind of said the same thing: Stick primarily to fruits, veggies, some meat. Limit processed food, sugar. Not sure about the dairy, good vs bad fats and good vs bad carb issues and how far to take those. The bottom line is that more calories in than burned will cause weight gain.

 

 

 

 

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