Sinus infections and antibiotics

[Guest guest]

I am not trying to take this discussion personally and I hope you

take my comments as a bit of enlightenment rather than telling you

point blank you are being hyponotized by one of the snakes in the

Cadesus symbol.The medical system in America,including the

pharmaceutical system, revolves around money and peoples blind

acceptance that their doctor is one of the best and brightest doctors

in the world and would never do anything to hurt them.The allopathic

system is just barely a step above the undertakers.

Let me tell you a bit about myself.I come from a long line of

doctors.

I was president of my medical school class for three years and got

to know very well the type of people who make up the medical

establishment.It has very little to do with real intelligence as it

does being able to accept and feed back information.The medical

system weeds people out very early on who are going to challenge or

question the status quo.That is why you see so many doctors from

third world countries in America.They are certainly not going to

challenge the system because they learned early on the value of

prestige and money.

 

, saba2r@a... wrote:

> I'm not intending to argue about this, but what bugged me was the

either/or mentality from some posters. All doctors bad - only

alternative medicine good. That is a dangerous opinion and it's

scary to think a person who needs medical attention would turn away

from it because they listened to that.

>

> Nowhere have I stated that I don't understand the dangers of

antibiotics. There is that either/or thing again. One of my points

was that understanding the problems they have caused does not rule

them out in situations where they are warranted. I can tell you

this - the problem is not that doctors are " in bed with "

pharmaceutical companies, as Russ states on his site, or that they

wish to keep people sick so they can make more money. Most

physicians are extremely intelligent. If all they wanted was money,

they could make ten times as much in the corporate world. I do agree

that pharm companies are in it for money - they are businesses. So

let's dispense with the evil doctor horror scenarios.

>

> Why would you feel I wouldn't " admit " ignorance? That is an

obnoxious statement. Many physicians are open to learning more about

alternative treatments. They also must constantly fight off the

ignorant *patients*, who demand medications/treatments they don't

need.

>

> Let's keep in mind that a lot of folks here are pushing products

because THEY are attempting to make money and sell stuff. Let's not

be hypocrites.

>

> I'm here because I firmly believe in a return to natural remedies.

(However, thank God for modern medicine in a lot of situations). I

think everyone should share what works for them. I've been a little

dismayed by the " No, that doesn't work " , " Yes it worked for me " , " My

stuff is the only thing that works " , etc etc. A little hard to sort

out. We are supposed to have " Peaceful Minds " .

>

> Becca

>

>

>

> In a message dated 8/19/2004 9:06:18 PM Eastern Daylight

Time, " johndson2600 " <johndson2600> writes:

>

> > I don't think that anyone here would dispute the value of

> >antibiotics in situations such as septicemia.

> > The truth of the matter is though that antibiotics are given

> >routinely by vast majority of MD's,DO,s,physician assistant,nurse

> >practioneers and the like for the simple reason of ignorance of

> >alternative treatments.

> > I seriously doubt that I will get you to admit there is any

> >ignorance in the allopathic community.

> > Just this past week I saw a 51 yo man die because of misuse of

> >antibiotics and a 22 yo indian woman rendered sterile for the same

> >reason.I am not,at this moment going to explain the pathophysiolgy

of

> >either case,but you can bet these cases are just the tip of the

> >iceberg.

> > The root cause of the onset of most sinus problems are allergys.

> > Dr John D. Son NMD.

> > , saba2r@a... wrote:

> >> I believe the root cause of the sinus problems must be found.

It's

> >not a simple A B C for everyone. The word " infection " was brought

up

> >initially, which is why I posted that antibiotics indeed might be

in

> >order in some cases. We could go back and forth all day with

> >stories - antibiotics are " bad " , but just as the lady posted about

> >her daughter damaged by vaccines, I can tell you that my husband

> >would be dead if it were not for antibiotics, due to a massive

> >septicemia. I think we should avoid the this is good and that is

> >bad, etc. stuff. Herbs and natural remedies can be " bad " if

> >misused. The word " infection " should not be used to describe all

> >sinus problems. Some people may in fact be suffering from

> >allergies. And so on. Everyone needs to determine what works for

> >their particular problem.

> >>

> >> Becca

> >>

> >> In a message dated 8/15/2004 10:21:41 AM Eastern Daylight

> >Time, " johndson2600 " <johndson2600> writes:

> >>

> >> >

> >> > I am an intergrative medical school educated physician who

> >> >specializes in Chelation and other IV therapies.In regard to

sinus

> >> >infection the best treatment is that as described in post

#10107.

> >> > Of course,methods used to rebuild the immune system-such as IV

> >> >administration of vitamins,minerals and amion acids-as well as

PO

> >use

> >> >of herbs- are vitally important to living a long and disease

free

> >> >life.Another thing that should be mentioned is gluten

> >intolerance.I

> >> >would estimate that maybe at the most 5-10 % of people who have

a

> >> >sensitivity to gluten are aware of it.Avoidance of gluten-which

is

> >> >very difficult to do-is sometimes the first and biggest step to

> >> >rebuilding your immune system.Another important step-getting

rid

> >of

> >> >parasites-is important.Every dog,cat,and cow in the world has

> >> >parasites.Why would anyone think that humans are different in

> >terms

> >> >of biology.Don't trust your allopath and his lab to diagnose

the

> >> >situation either.

> >> > Sincerely,Dr John D. Son NMD

> >> > , gkbmusic@a... wrote:

> >> >> Try an Intergrative MD They are amazing! Find someone who

uses

> >IV

> >> >Therapy to

> >> >> rebuild the system with vitamins & supplements ..

> >> >> I am having amazing results!

> >> >>

> >> >> and I have had awful doc experiences my entire life .. I am

> >now

> >> >42 . .

> >> >> wishing love & prayers. .

> >

[Guest guest]

Pau D'Arco should be simmered for about ten minutes

to get all the herbal powers out of it.

But even if you just steep it it packs quite a punch.

 

I must admit I have never used Pau d'Arco by itself.

It is part of the Shipibo Tea formula, together with

Jatoba, Una de Gato, and a few others.

 

Steep it extra long, ideally on heat.

The heat pad of a coffee maker works well, or a

good thermos bottle.

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I don't use it in tea form, I was told it has kind of

a nasty taste to it lol. I use it in capsule form,

taking two in the morning and two at night to get rid

of sinus infections. For a really bad infection, I

sometimes add Cat's Claw too...Mama

 

 

Pau D'Arco should be simmered for about ten minutes to

get all the herbal powers out of it. But even if you

just steep it it packs quite a punch.

 

I must admit I have never used Pau d'Arco by itself.

It is part of the Shipibo Tea formula, together with

Jatoba, Una de Gato, and a few others.

 

Steep it extra long, ideally on heat. The heat pad of

a coffee maker works well, or a good thermos bottle.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Becca wrote:

 

I think we should avoid the this is good and that is bad, etc. stuff. Herbs and natural remedies can be "bad" if misused.

 

Quite.After all, the poison that killed Socrates was organically grown and free of preservatives.

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Saba,

A little bit more info for you.When I was in medical school in

Galveston,Texas during the late 60's and early 70's I was assigned to

an indigent ward at John Sealy hospital.This was in the days

controled studiess but not double blind such as are performed

now.Depending upon how the lead professor wanted the study to turn

out the patients were assigned,not randomly but in full knowledge of

how the people sponsoring the study and those conducting it wanted

the results to reflect.In short,they were rigged.

So what you say?What difference done over thirty years ago.

It makes a difference in that those studies formed foundations on

which directions of research would take.That is certain drugs and

other protocols were accepted and expanded upon now as proper and

benificial treatments when actually they were more harmful to the

patient-particularily children- than realized.

In other words they muddyed up the water and it is still muddyed.

I can still point out to anyone some of these rigged experimental

ground breaking studies if you want to go to a medical library and

examine them for yourself.

More later.

 

, saba2r@a... wrote:

> I'm not intending to argue about this, but what bugged me was the

either/or mentality from some posters. All doctors bad - only

alternative medicine good. That is a dangerous opinion and it's

scary to think a person who needs medical attention would turn away

from it because they listened to that.

>

> Nowhere have I stated that I don't understand the dangers of

antibiotics. There is that either/or thing again. One of my points

was that understanding the problems they have caused does not rule

them out in situations where they are warranted. I can tell you

this - the problem is not that doctors are " in bed with "

pharmaceutical companies, as Russ states on his site, or that they

wish to keep people sick so they can make more money. Most

physicians are extremely intelligent. If all they wanted was money,

they could make ten times as much in the corporate world. I do agree

that pharm companies are in it for money - they are businesses. So

let's dispense with the evil doctor horror scenarios.

>

> Why would you feel I wouldn't " admit " ignorance? That is an

obnoxious statement. Many physicians are open to learning more about

alternative treatments. They also must constantly fight off the

ignorant *patients*, who demand medications/treatments they don't

need.

>

> Let's keep in mind that a lot of folks here are pushing products

because THEY are attempting to make money and sell stuff. Let's not

be hypocrites.

>

> I'm here because I firmly believe in a return to natural remedies.

(However, thank God for modern medicine in a lot of situations). I

think everyone should share what works for them. I've been a little

dismayed by the " No, that doesn't work " , " Yes it worked for me " , " My

stuff is the only thing that works " , etc etc. A little hard to sort

out. We are supposed to have " Peaceful Minds " .

>

> Becca

>

>

>

> In a message dated 8/19/2004 9:06:18 PM Eastern Daylight

Time, " johndson2600 " <johndson2600> writes:

>

> > I don't think that anyone here would dispute the value of

> >antibiotics in situations such as septicemia.

> > The truth of the matter is though that antibiotics are given

> >routinely by vast majority of MD's,DO,s,physician assistant,nurse

> >practioneers and the like for the simple reason of ignorance of

> >alternative treatments.

> > I seriously doubt that I will get you to admit there is any

> >ignorance in the allopathic community.

> > Just this past week I saw a 51 yo man die because of misuse of

> >antibiotics and a 22 yo indian woman rendered sterile for the same

> >reason.I am not,at this moment going to explain the pathophysiolgy

of

> >either case,but you can bet these cases are just the tip of the

> >iceberg.

> > The root cause of the onset of most sinus problems are allergys.

> > Dr John D. Son NMD.

> > , saba2r@a... wrote:

> >> I believe the root cause of the sinus problems must be found.

It's

> >not a simple A B C for everyone. The word " infection " was brought

up

> >initially, which is why I posted that antibiotics indeed might be

in

> >order in some cases. We could go back and forth all day with

> >stories - antibiotics are " bad " , but just as the lady posted about

> >her daughter damaged by vaccines, I can tell you that my husband

> >would be dead if it were not for antibiotics, due to a massive

> >septicemia. I think we should avoid the this is good and that is

> >bad, etc. stuff. Herbs and natural remedies can be " bad " if

> >misused. The word " infection " should not be used to describe all

> >sinus problems. Some people may in fact be suffering from

> >allergies. And so on. Everyone needs to determine what works for

> >their particular problem.

> >>

> >> Becca

> >>

> >> In a message dated 8/15/2004 10:21:41 AM Eastern Daylight

> >Time, " johndson2600 " <johndson2600> writes:

> >>

> >> >

> >> > I am an intergrative medical school educated physician who

> >> >specializes in Chelation and other IV therapies.In regard to

sinus

> >> >infection the best treatment is that as described in post

#10107.

> >> > Of course,methods used to rebuild the immune system-such as IV

> >> >administration of vitamins,minerals and amion acids-as well as

PO

> >use

> >> >of herbs- are vitally important to living a long and disease

free

> >> >life.Another thing that should be mentioned is gluten

> >intolerance.I

> >> >would estimate that maybe at the most 5-10 % of people who have

a

> >> >sensitivity to gluten are aware of it.Avoidance of gluten-which

is

> >> >very difficult to do-is sometimes the first and biggest step to

> >> >rebuilding your immune system.Another important step-getting

rid

> >of

> >> >parasites-is important.Every dog,cat,and cow in the world has

> >> >parasites.Why would anyone think that humans are different in

> >terms

> >> >of biology.Don't trust your allopath and his lab to diagnose

the

> >> >situation either.

> >> > Sincerely,Dr John D. Son NMD

> >> > , gkbmusic@a... wrote:

> >> >> Try an Intergrative MD They are amazing! Find someone who

uses

> >IV

> >> >Therapy to

> >> >> rebuild the system with vitamins & supplements ..

> >> >> I am having amazing results!

> >> >>

> >> >> and I have had awful doc experiences my entire life .. I am

> >now

> >> >42 . .

> >> >> wishing love & prayers. .

> >

[Guest guest]

I know quite a bit about the medical world myself. That's why I take offense at

the dissing of quite a number of good and innocent people. I'm sorry you had

such a negative experience.

Most physicians I've dealt with over the past decade or so are quite open to

alternative stuff.

Becca

 

In a message dated 8/20/2004 3:49:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, " johndson2600 "

<johndson2600 writes:

 

> I am not trying to take this discussion personally and I hope you

>take my comments as a bit of enlightenment rather than telling you

>point blank you are being hyponotized by one of the snakes in the

>Cadesus symbol.The medical system in America,including the

>pharmaceutical system, revolves around money and peoples blind

>acceptance that their doctor is one of the best and brightest doctors

>in the world and would never do anything to hurt them.The allopathic

>system is just barely a step above the undertakers.

> Let me tell you a bit about myself.I come from a long line of

>doctors.

> I was president of my medical school class for three years and got

>to know very well the type of people who make up the medical

>establishment.It has very little to do with real intelligence as it

>does being able to accept and feed back information.The medical

>system weeds people out very early on who are going to challenge or

>question the status quo.That is why you see so many doctors from

>third world countries in America.They are certainly not going to

>challenge the system because they learned early on the value of

>prestige and money.

>

> , saba2r@a... wrote:

>> I'm not intending to argue about this, but what bugged me was the

>either/or mentality from some posters. All doctors bad - only

>alternative medicine good. That is a dangerous opinion and it's

>scary to think a person who needs medical attention would turn away

>from it because they listened to that.

>>

>> Nowhere have I stated that I don't understand the dangers of

>antibiotics. There is that either/or thing again. One of my points

>was that understanding the problems they have caused does not rule

>them out in situations where they are warranted. I can tell you

>this - the problem is not that doctors are " in bed with "

>pharmaceutical companies, as Russ states on his site, or that they

>wish to keep people sick so they can make more money. Most

>physicians are extremely intelligent. If all they wanted was money,

>they could make ten times as much in the corporate world. I do agree

>that pharm companies are in it for money - they are businesses. So

>let's dispense with the evil doctor horror scenarios.

>>

>> Why would you feel I wouldn't " admit " ignorance? That is an

>obnoxious statement. Many physicians are open to learning more about

>alternative treatments. They also must constantly fight off the

>ignorant *patients*, who demand medications/treatments they don't

>need.

>>

>> Let's keep in mind that a lot of folks here are pushing products

>because THEY are attempting to make money and sell stuff. Let's not

>be hypocrites.

>>

>> I'm here because I firmly believe in a return to natural remedies.

>(However, thank God for modern medicine in a lot of situations). I

>think everyone should share what works for them. I've been a little

>dismayed by the " No, that doesn't work " , " Yes it worked for me " , " My

>stuff is the only thing that works " , etc etc. A little hard to sort

>out. We are supposed to have " Peaceful Minds " .

>>

>> Becca

>>

>>

>>

>> In a message dated 8/19/2004 9:06:18 PM Eastern Daylight

>Time, " johndson2600 " <johndson2600> writes:

>>

>> > I don't think that anyone here would dispute the value of

>> >antibiotics in situations such as septicemia.

>> > The truth of the matter is though that antibiotics are given

>> >routinely by vast majority of MD's,DO,s,physician assistant,nurse

>> >practioneers and the like for the simple reason of ignorance of

>> >alternative treatments.

>> > I seriously doubt that I will get you to admit there is any

>> >ignorance in the allopathic community.

>> > Just this past week I saw a 51 yo man die because of misuse of

>> >antibiotics and a 22 yo indian woman rendered sterile for the same

>> >reason.I am not,at this moment going to explain the pathophysiolgy

>of

>> >either case,but you can bet these cases are just the tip of the

>> >iceberg.

>> > The root cause of the onset of most sinus problems are allergys.

>> > Dr John D. Son NMD.

>> > , saba2r@a... wrote:

>> >> I believe the root cause of the sinus problems must be found.

>It's

>> >not a simple A B C for everyone. The word " infection " was brought

>up

>> >initially, which is why I posted that antibiotics indeed might be

>in

>> >order in some cases. We could go back and forth all day with

>> >stories - antibiotics are " bad " , but just as the lady posted about

>> >her daughter damaged by vaccines, I can tell you that my husband

>> >would be dead if it were not for antibiotics, due to a massive

>> >septicemia. I think we should avoid the this is good and that is

>> >bad, etc. stuff. Herbs and natural remedies can be " bad " if

>> >misused. The word " infection " should not be used to describe all

>> >sinus problems. Some people may in fact be suffering from

>> >allergies. And so on. Everyone needs to determine what works for

>> >their particular problem.

>> >>

>> >> Becca

>> >>

>> >> In a message dated 8/15/2004 10:21:41 AM Eastern Daylight

>> >Time, " johndson2600 " <johndson2600> writes:

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >> > I am an intergrative medical school educated physician who

>> >> >specializes in Chelation and other IV therapies.In regard to

>sinus

>> >> >infection the best treatment is that as described in post

>#10107.

>> >> > Of course,methods used to rebuild the immune system-such as IV

>> >> >administration of vitamins,minerals and amion acids-as well as

>PO

>> >use

>> >> >of herbs- are vitally important to living a long and disease

>free

>> >> >life.Another thing that should be mentioned is gluten

>> >intolerance.I

>> >> >would estimate that maybe at the most 5-10 % of people who have

>a

>> >> >sensitivity to gluten are aware of it.Avoidance of gluten-which

>is

>> >> >very difficult to do-is sometimes the first and biggest step to

>> >> >rebuilding your immune system.Another important step-getting

>rid

>> >of

>> >> >parasites-is important.Every dog,cat,and cow in the world has

>> >> >parasites.Why would anyone think that humans are different in

>> >terms

>> >> >of biology.Don't trust your allopath and his lab to diagnose

>the

>> >> >situation either.

>> >> > Sincerely,Dr John D. Son NMD

>> >> > , gkbmusic@a... wrote:

>> >> >> Try an Intergrative MD They are amazing! Find someone who

>uses

>> >IV

>> >> >Therapy to

>> >> >> rebuild the system with vitamins & supplements ..

>> >> >> I am having amazing results!

>> >> >>

>> >> >> and I have had awful doc experiences my entire life .. I am

>> >now

>> >> >42 . .

>> >> >> wishing love & prayers. .

>> >

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Krissy,

 

i'm sure by now you've received quite a lot of answers by now.

Based on the fact that you've already visited a MD (GP) and he's

identifid that there are some antibiotics that your son can take

then as a general rule of thumb you should allow your son at least a

3 days to attempt to get over the infection on his own, with of

course the assistance of yourself using recommended herbal remedies.

(i've read many of the responses and theres a very good list of

which to take).

 

If after the 3 days your son is not getting any better (unless of

course he has undergone some homeopathic remedies, then i would

suggest taking antibiotics. Though after the cycle of anitibiotics i

would suggest that your son eat as many healthy vegetables as

possible to rid the sinus.

 

May i ask how often does your son suffer from infected sinusitis ?

 

regards

 

Andy Anastasi

, " krissy_texas "

<krissy_texas> wrote:

> When do you all think sinus infections need to be treated with

> antibiotics? My son (age 7) had a cough that turned into a sinus

> infection. I'd normally just let it work itself out and never go

to

> the doctor- he normally kicks infections quickly. but schools

starts

> in a week. And his cough sounds absolutely terrible. He's a

little

> stinker for trying anything other than yummy medicine. I'd

thought

> about just cleaning his sinuses with saline regularly but I

imagine

> he'll tell me after the first time " just give me the antibiotics

like

> the doctor said, mom. " Though the saline wash should provide him

> with immediate relief.

>

> Thanks-

> Krissy

[Guest guest]

My best friends and some of the most intelligent people I know

(outside of my favorite wife)are medical doctors and Chiropractors.I

think what we need is a system that rewards successes,not propaganda

fueled by uneducation of the masses and the often blind desire to

create wealth.

How do you do that?Quite simple.

Just Like every other profession,there needs to be some sort of

money back guarantee.If a doctor-and it makes no difference what kind-

does good work and is successful with the patient's pathology-then he

gets paid.If he or she doesn't then they don't get paid.Make it a

rule that they have to keep score.That is make them keep records for

all to see of their successes and failures.You don't have to name

names of patients,but only conditions and results.That way,those who

are the best doctors would quickly become known.That's the way it is

for every other profession and it shouldn't be in less for the

medical establishment.

In regard to dicing innocent people,I can name several of my peers

who after sending 100 patients to MD Anderson and seeing everyone of

them come back in body bags are quite willing to send another

100.What I'm saying is most of them-not all-maybe not yours included-

have long ago sold out to the system because the system guarantees

them wealth and prestige if they just do what is told by the AMA etc.

, saba2r@a... wrote:

> I know quite a bit about the medical world myself. That's why I

take offense at the dissing of quite a number of good and innocent

people. I'm sorry you had such a negative experience.

> Most physicians I've dealt with over the past decade or so are

quite open to alternative stuff.

> Becca

>

> In a message dated 8/20/2004 3:49:12 PM Eastern Daylight

Time, " johndson2600 " <johndson2600> writes:

>

> > I am not trying to take this discussion personally and I hope you

> >take my comments as a bit of enlightenment rather than telling you

> >point blank you are being hyponotized by one of the snakes in the

> >Cadesus symbol.The medical system in America,including the

> >pharmaceutical system, revolves around money and peoples blind

> >acceptance that their doctor is one of the best and brightest

doctors

> >in the world and would never do anything to hurt them.The

allopathic

> >system is just barely a step above the undertakers.

> > Let me tell you a bit about myself.I come from a long line of

> >doctors.

> > I was president of my medical school class for three years and

got

> >to know very well the type of people who make up the medical

> >establishment.It has very little to do with real intelligence as

it

> >does being able to accept and feed back information.The medical

> >system weeds people out very early on who are going to challenge

or

> >question the status quo.That is why you see so many doctors from

> >third world countries in America.They are certainly not going to

> >challenge the system because they learned early on the value of

> >prestige and money.

> >

> > , saba2r@a... wrote:

> >> I'm not intending to argue about this, but what bugged me was

the

> >either/or mentality from some posters. All doctors bad - only

> >alternative medicine good. That is a dangerous opinion and it's

> >scary to think a person who needs medical attention would turn

away

> >from it because they listened to that.

> >>

> >> Nowhere have I stated that I don't understand the dangers of

> >antibiotics. There is that either/or thing again. One of my

points

> >was that understanding the problems they have caused does not rule

> >them out in situations where they are warranted. I can tell you

> >this - the problem is not that doctors are " in bed with "

> >pharmaceutical companies, as Russ states on his site, or that they

> >wish to keep people sick so they can make more money. Most

> >physicians are extremely intelligent. If all they wanted was

money,

> >they could make ten times as much in the corporate world. I do

agree

> >that pharm companies are in it for money - they are businesses.

So

> >let's dispense with the evil doctor horror scenarios.

> >>

> >> Why would you feel I wouldn't " admit " ignorance? That is an

> >obnoxious statement. Many physicians are open to learning more

about

> >alternative treatments. They also must constantly fight off the

> >ignorant *patients*, who demand medications/treatments they don't

> >need.

> >>

> >> Let's keep in mind that a lot of folks here are pushing products

> >because THEY are attempting to make money and sell stuff. Let's

not

> >be hypocrites.

> >>

> >> I'm here because I firmly believe in a return to natural

remedies.

> >(However, thank God for modern medicine in a lot of situations).

I

> >think everyone should share what works for them. I've been a

little

> >dismayed by the " No, that doesn't work " , " Yes it worked for

me " , " My

> >stuff is the only thing that works " , etc etc. A little hard to

sort

> >out. We are supposed to have " Peaceful Minds " .

> >>

> >> Becca

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> In a message dated 8/19/2004 9:06:18 PM Eastern Daylight

> >Time, " johndson2600 " <johndson2600> writes:

> >>

> >> > I don't think that anyone here would dispute the value of

> >> >antibiotics in situations such as septicemia.

> >> > The truth of the matter is though that antibiotics are given

> >> >routinely by vast majority of MD's,DO,s,physician

assistant,nurse

> >> >practioneers and the like for the simple reason of ignorance of

> >> >alternative treatments.

> >> > I seriously doubt that I will get you to admit there is any

> >> >ignorance in the allopathic community.

> >> > Just this past week I saw a 51 yo man die because of misuse of

> >> >antibiotics and a 22 yo indian woman rendered sterile for the

same

> >> >reason.I am not,at this moment going to explain the

pathophysiolgy

> >of

> >> >either case,but you can bet these cases are just the tip of the

> >> >iceberg.

> >> > The root cause of the onset of most sinus problems are

allergys.

> >> > Dr John D. Son NMD.

> >> > , saba2r@a... wrote:

> >> >> I believe the root cause of the sinus problems must be

found.

> >It's

> >> >not a simple A B C for everyone. The word " infection " was

brought

> >up

> >> >initially, which is why I posted that antibiotics indeed might

be

> >in

> >> >order in some cases. We could go back and forth all day with

> >> >stories - antibiotics are " bad " , but just as the lady posted

about

> >> >her daughter damaged by vaccines, I can tell you that my

husband

> >> >would be dead if it were not for antibiotics, due to a massive

> >> >septicemia. I think we should avoid the this is good and that

is

> >> >bad, etc. stuff. Herbs and natural remedies can be " bad " if

> >> >misused. The word " infection " should not be used to describe

all

> >> >sinus problems. Some people may in fact be suffering from

> >> >allergies. And so on. Everyone needs to determine what works

for

> >> >their particular problem.

> >> >>

> >> >> Becca

> >> >>

> >> >> In a message dated 8/15/2004 10:21:41 AM Eastern Daylight

> >> >Time, " johndson2600 " <johndson2600> writes:

> >> >>

> >> >> >

> >> >> > I am an intergrative medical school educated physician who

> >> >> >specializes in Chelation and other IV therapies.In regard to

> >sinus

> >> >> >infection the best treatment is that as described in post

> >#10107.

> >> >> > Of course,methods used to rebuild the immune system-such as

IV

> >> >> >administration of vitamins,minerals and amion acids-as well

as

> >PO

> >> >use

> >> >> >of herbs- are vitally important to living a long and disease

> >free

> >> >> >life.Another thing that should be mentioned is gluten

> >> >intolerance.I

> >> >> >would estimate that maybe at the most 5-10 % of people who

have

> >a

> >> >> >sensitivity to gluten are aware of it.Avoidance of gluten-

which

> >is

> >> >> >very difficult to do-is sometimes the first and biggest step

to

> >> >> >rebuilding your immune system.Another important step-getting

> >rid

> >> >of

> >> >> >parasites-is important.Every dog,cat,and cow in the world

has

> >> >> >parasites.Why would anyone think that humans are different

in

> >> >terms

> >> >> >of biology.Don't trust your allopath and his lab to diagnose

> >the

> >> >> >situation either.

> >> >> > Sincerely,Dr John D. Son NMD

> >> >> > , gkbmusic@a...

wrote:

> >> >> >> Try an Intergrative MD They are amazing! Find someone who

> >uses

> >> >IV

> >> >> >Therapy to

> >> >> >> rebuild the system with vitamins & supplements ..

> >> >> >> I am having amazing results!

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> and I have had awful doc experiences my entire life .. I

am

> >> >now

> >> >> >42 . .

> >> >> >> wishing love & prayers. .

> >> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Preventative and Curative measure to take for many ailments at:

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Hi Andy-

This was my son's first episode ever with sinusitus (he's 7 1/2).

He had an ear infection when he was 1 1/2 and that was the last time

we'd used antibiotics. he had been sick for about 2 weeks prior to

my taking him to the doctor.

The difficulty that I have with Alex, is that he's 7 and he won't

try quite a lot of the alternative options! I don't blame him on

the nose rinse- that is a little icky!

He did end up with an ear infection anyway, after the antibiotics.

For that- I found a homeopathic remedy at the store. And then I had

him take cold medicine twice (with the mucus thinner stuff-

guayfenasine?) to get him all drained out.

Thanks

 

Krissy

 

, " Andy "

<andy_anastasi> wrote:

> Hi Krissy,

>

> i'm sure by now you've received quite a lot of answers by now.

> Based on the fact that you've already visited a MD (GP) and he's

> identifid that there are some antibiotics that your son can take

> then as a general rule of thumb you should allow your son at least

a

> 3 days to attempt to get over the infection on his own, with of

> course the assistance of yourself using recommended herbal

remedies.

> (i've read many of the responses and theres a very good list of

> which to take).

>

> If after the 3 days your son is not getting any better (unless of

> course he has undergone some homeopathic remedies, then i would

> suggest taking antibiotics. Though after the cycle of anitibiotics

i

> would suggest that your son eat as many healthy vegetables as

> possible to rid the sinus.

>

> May i ask how often does your son suffer from infected sinusitis ?

>

> regards

>

> Andy Anastasi

> , " krissy_texas "

> <krissy_texas> wrote:

> > When do you all think sinus infections need to be treated with

> > antibiotics? My son (age 7) had a cough that turned into a

sinus

> > infection. I'd normally just let it work itself out and never

go

> to

> > the doctor- he normally kicks infections quickly. but schools

> starts

> > in a week. And his cough sounds absolutely terrible. He's a

> little

> > stinker for trying anything other than yummy medicine. I'd

> thought

> > about just cleaning his sinuses with saline regularly but I

> imagine

> > he'll tell me after the first time " just give me the antibiotics

> like

> > the doctor said, mom. " Though the saline wash should provide

him

> > with immediate relief.

> >

> > Thanks-

> > Krissy

[Guest guest]

You raise some good points, but I'm not so sure the problem is " selling out " to

the system as much as it is being trapped by the system nowadays. And we do

need to remember that it is a profession and that's how they are making their

living. There are quite a few things in place to monitor medical care (as well

as the constant threat of being sued, whether a mistake is actually made or

not). Compare it to corporations where execs walk away from a *failed* company

with millions. That's why my hackles rose over the money comments. There are

people *here* trying to make a buck. Most docs I've encountered are no more

trying to take the money and run than anyone else - sometimes even less so.

 

Becca

 

In a message dated 8/26/2004 3:44:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, " johndson2600 "

<johndson2600 writes:

 

> My best friends and some of the most intelligent people I know

>(outside of my favorite wife)are medical doctors and Chiropractors.I

>think what we need is a system that rewards successes,not propaganda

>fueled by uneducation of the masses and the often blind desire to

>create wealth.

> How do you do that?Quite simple.

> Just Like every other profession,there needs to be some sort of

>money back guarantee.If a doctor-and it makes no difference what kind-

>does good work and is successful with the patient's pathology-then he

>gets paid.If he or she doesn't then they don't get paid.Make it a

>rule that they have to keep score.That is make them keep records for

>all to see of their successes and failures.You don't have to name

>names of patients,but only conditions and results.That way,those who

>are the best doctors would quickly become known.That's the way it is

>for every other profession and it shouldn't be in less for the

>medical establishment.

> In regard to dicing innocent people,I can name several of my peers

>who after sending 100 patients to MD Anderson and seeing everyone of

>them come back in body bags are quite willing to send another

>100.What I'm saying is most of them-not all-maybe not yours included-

>have long ago sold out to the system because the system guarantees

>them wealth and prestige if they just do what is told by the AMA etc.

> , saba2r@a... wrote:

>> I know quite a bit about the medical world myself. That's why I

>take offense at the dissing of quite a number of good and innocent

>people. I'm sorry you had such a negative experience.

>> Most physicians I've dealt with over the past decade or so are

>quite open to alternative stuff.

>> Becca

>>

>> In a message dated 8/20/2004 3:49:12 PM Eastern Daylight

>Time, " johndson2600 " <johndson2600> writes:

>>

>> > I am not trying to take this discussion personally and I hope you

>> >take my comments as a bit of enlightenment rather than telling you

>> >point blank you are being hyponotized by one of the snakes in the

>> >Cadesus symbol.The medical system in America,including the

>> >pharmaceutical system, revolves around money and peoples blind

>> >acceptance that their doctor is one of the best and brightest

>doctors

>> >in the world and would never do anything to hurt them.The

>allopathic

>> >system is just barely a step above the undertakers.

>> > Let me tell you a bit about myself.I come from a long line of

>> >doctors.

>> > I was president of my medical school class for three years and

>got

>> >to know very well the type of people who make up the medical

>> >establishment.It has very little to do with real intelligence as

>it

>> >does being able to accept and feed back information.The medical

>> >system weeds people out very early on who are going to challenge

>or

>> >question the status quo.That is why you see so many doctors from

>> >third world countries in America.They are certainly not going to

>> >challenge the system because they learned early on the value of

>> >prestige and money.

>> >

>> > , saba2r@a... wrote:

>> >> I'm not intending to argue about this, but what bugged me was

>the

>> >either/or mentality from some posters. All doctors bad - only

>> >alternative medicine good. That is a dangerous opinion and it's

>> >scary to think a person who needs medical attention would turn

>away

>> >from it because they listened to that.

>> >>

>> >> Nowhere have I stated that I don't understand the dangers of

>> >antibiotics. There is that either/or thing again. One of my

>points

>> >was that understanding the problems they have caused does not rule

>> >them out in situations where they are warranted. I can tell you

>> >this - the problem is not that doctors are " in bed with "

>> >pharmaceutical companies, as Russ states on his site, or that they

>> >wish to keep people sick so they can make more money. Most

>> >physicians are extremely intelligent. If all they wanted was

>money,

>> >they could make ten times as much in the corporate world. I do

>agree

>> >that pharm companies are in it for money - they are businesses.

>So

>> >let's dispense with the evil doctor horror scenarios.

>> >>

>> >> Why would you feel I wouldn't " admit " ignorance? That is an

>> >obnoxious statement. Many physicians are open to learning more

>about

>> >alternative treatments. They also must constantly fight off the

>> >ignorant *patients*, who demand medications/treatments they don't

>> >need.

>> >>

>> >> Let's keep in mind that a lot of folks here are pushing products

>> >because THEY are attempting to make money and sell stuff. Let's

>not

>> >be hypocrites.

>> >>

>> >> I'm here because I firmly believe in a return to natural

>remedies.

>> >(However, thank God for modern medicine in a lot of situations).

>I

>> >think everyone should share what works for them. I've been a

>little

>> >dismayed by the " No, that doesn't work " , " Yes it worked for

>me " , " My

>> >stuff is the only thing that works " , etc etc. A little hard to

>sort

>> >out. We are supposed to have " Peaceful Minds " .

>> >>

>> >> Becca

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> In a message dated 8/19/2004 9:06:18 PM Eastern Daylight

>> >Time, " johndson2600 " <johndson2600> writes:

>> >>

>> >> > I don't think that anyone here would dispute the value of

>> >> >antibiotics in situations such as septicemia.

>> >> > The truth of the matter is though that antibiotics are given

>> >> >routinely by vast majority of MD's,DO,s,physician

>assistant,nurse

>> >> >practioneers and the like for the simple reason of ignorance of

>> >> >alternative treatments.

>> >> > I seriously doubt that I will get you to admit there is any

>> >> >ignorance in the allopathic community.

>> >> > Just this past week I saw a 51 yo man die because of misuse of

>> >> >antibiotics and a 22 yo indian woman rendered sterile for the

>same

>> >> >reason.I am not,at this moment going to explain the

>pathophysiolgy

>> >of

>> >> >either case,but you can bet these cases are just the tip of the

>> >> >iceberg.

>> >> > The root cause of the onset of most sinus problems are

>allergys.

>> >> > Dr John D. Son NMD.

>> >> > , saba2r@a... wrote:

>> >> >> I believe the root cause of the sinus problems must be

>found.

>> >It's

>> >> >not a simple A B C for everyone. The word " infection " was

>brought

>> >up

>> >> >initially, which is why I posted that antibiotics indeed might

>be

>> >in

>> >> >order in some cases. We could go back and forth all day with

>> >> >stories - antibiotics are " bad " , but just as the lady posted

>about

>> >> >her daughter damaged by vaccines, I can tell you that my

>husband

>> >> >would be dead if it were not for antibiotics, due to a massive

>> >> >septicemia. I think we should avoid the this is good and that

>is

>> >> >bad, etc. stuff. Herbs and natural remedies can be " bad " if

>> >> >misused. The word " infection " should not be used to describe

>all

>> >> >sinus problems. Some people may in fact be suffering from

>> >> >allergies. And so on. Everyone needs to determine what works

>for

>> >> >their particular problem.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Becca

>> >> >>

>> >> >> In a message dated 8/15/2004 10:21:41 AM Eastern Daylight

>> >> >Time, " johndson2600 " <johndson2600> writes:

>> >> >>

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > I am an intergrative medical school educated physician who

>> >> >> >specializes in Chelation and other IV therapies.In regard to

>> >sinus

>> >> >> >infection the best treatment is that as described in post

>> >#10107.

>> >> >> > Of course,methods used to rebuild the immune system-such as

>IV

>> >> >> >administration of vitamins,minerals and amion acids-as well

>as

>> >PO

>> >> >use

>> >> >> >of herbs- are vitally important to living a long and disease

>> >free

>> >> >> >life.Another thing that should be mentioned is gluten

>> >> >intolerance.I

>> >> >> >would estimate that maybe at the most 5-10 % of people who

>have

>> >a

>> >> >> >sensitivity to gluten are aware of it.Avoidance of gluten-

>which

>> >is

>> >> >> >very difficult to do-is sometimes the first and biggest step

>to

>> >> >> >rebuilding your immune system.Another important step-getting

>> >rid

>> >> >of

>> >> >> >parasites-is important.Every dog,cat,and cow in the world

>has

>> >> >> >parasites.Why would anyone think that humans are different

>in

>> >> >terms

>> >> >> >of biology.Don't trust your allopath and his lab to diagnose

>> >the

>> >> >> >situation either.

>> >> >> > Sincerely,Dr John D. Son NMD

>> >> >> > , gkbmusic@a...

>wrote:

>> >> >> >> Try an Intergrative MD They are amazing! Find someone who

>> >uses

>> >> >IV

>> >> >> >Therapy to

>> >> >> >> rebuild the system with vitamins & supplements ..

>> >> >> >> I am having amazing results!

>> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> and I have had awful doc experiences my entire life .. I

>am

>> >> >now

>> >> >> >42 . .

>> >> >> >> wishing love & prayers. .

>> >> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

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>> >

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>Preventative and Curative measure to take for many ailments at:

>> >http://www.peacefulmind.com/ailments_frame.htm

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[Guest guest]

I have a co-worker in her fifties who refuses to do the rinses and stuff! So

I'm sure a 7 year old doesn't want to! I've mentioned the options

suggested here for her sinus problems. She uses an inhaler, but I think she

needs to try something different.

 

Becca

 

In a message dated 8/26/2004 10:14:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, " krissy_texas "

<krissy_texas writes:

 

>Hi Andy-

>This was my son's first episode ever with sinusitus (he's 7 1/2).

>He had an ear infection when he was 1 1/2 and that was the last time

>we'd used antibiotics. he had been sick for about 2 weeks prior to

>my taking him to the doctor.

>The difficulty that I have with Alex, is that he's 7 and he won't

>try quite a lot of the alternative options! I don't blame him on

>the nose rinse- that is a little icky!

>He did end up with an ear infection anyway, after the antibiotics.

>For that- I found a homeopathic remedy at the store. And then I had

>him take cold medicine twice (with the mucus thinner stuff-

>guayfenasine?) to get him all drained out.

>Thanks

>

>Krissy

>

> , " Andy "

><andy_anastasi> wrote:

>> Hi Krissy,

>>

>> i'm sure by now you've received quite a lot of answers by now.

>> Based on the fact that you've already visited a MD (GP) and he's

>> identifid that there are some antibiotics that your son can take

>> then as a general rule of thumb you should allow your son at least

>a

>> 3 days to attempt to get over the infection on his own, with of

>> course the assistance of yourself using recommended herbal

>remedies.

>> (i've read many of the responses and theres a very good list of

>> which to take).

>>

>> If after the 3 days your son is not getting any better (unless of

>> course he has undergone some homeopathic remedies, then i would

>> suggest taking antibiotics. Though after the cycle of anitibiotics

>i

>> would suggest that your son eat as many healthy vegetables as

>> possible to rid the sinus.

>>

>> May i ask how often does your son suffer from infected sinusitis ?

>>

>> regards

>>

>> Andy Anastasi

>> , " krissy_texas "

>> <krissy_texas> wrote:

>> > When do you all think sinus infections need to be treated with

>> > antibiotics? My son (age 7) had a cough that turned into a

>sinus

>> > infection. I'd normally just let it work itself out and never

>go

>> to

>> > the doctor- he normally kicks infections quickly. but schools

>> starts

>> > in a week. And his cough sounds absolutely terrible. He's a

>> little

>> > stinker for trying anything other than yummy medicine. I'd

>> thought

>> > about just cleaning his sinuses with saline regularly but I

>> imagine

>> > he'll tell me after the first time " just give me the antibiotics

>> like

>> > the doctor said, mom. " Though the saline wash should provide

>him

>> > with immediate relief.

>> >

>> > Thanks-

>> > Krissy

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Nasal rinses sound bad if you've never done it, but do it once, and you find out it's not really bad at all.

 

Linda

 

 

 

-

saba2r

Friday, August 27, 2004 6:28 AM

Re: Re: Sinus infections and antibiotics

I have a co-worker in her fifties who refuses to do the rinses and stuff! So I'm sure a 7 year old doesn't want to! I've mentioned the options suggested here for her sinus problems. She uses an inhaler, but I think she needs to try something different.Becca In a message dated 8/26/2004 10:14:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "krissy_texas" <krissy_texas writes:>Hi Andy->This was my son's first episode ever with sinusitus (he's 7 1/2). >He had an ear infection when he was 1 1/2 and that was the last time >we'd used antibiotics. he had been sick for about 2 weeks prior to >my taking him to the doctor. >The difficulty that I have with Alex, is that he's 7 and he won't >try quite a lot of the alternative options! I don't blame him on >the nose rinse- that is a little icky!>He did end up with an ear infection anyway, after the antibiotics. >For that- I found a homeopathic remedy at the store. And then I had >him take cold medicine twice (with the mucus thinner stuff- >guayfenasine?) to get him all drained out.>Thanks>>Krissy>> , "Andy" ><andy_anastasi> wrote:>> Hi Krissy,>> >> i'm sure by now you've received quite a lot of answers by now. >> Based on the fact that you've already visited a MD (GP) and he's >> identifid that there are some antibiotics that your son can take >> then as a general rule of thumb you should allow your son at least >a >> 3 days to attempt to get over the infection on his own, with of >> course the assistance of yourself using recommended herbal >remedies. >> (i've read many of the responses and theres a very good list of >> which to take). >> >> If after the 3 days your son is not getting any better (unless of >> course he has undergone some homeopathic remedies, then i would >> suggest taking antibiotics. Though after the cycle of anitibiotics >i >> would suggest that your son eat as many healthy vegetables as >> possible to rid the sinus.>> >> May i ask how often does your son suffer from infected sinusitis ?>> >> regards>> >> Andy Anastasi>> , "krissy_texas" >> <krissy_texas> wrote:>> > When do you all think sinus infections need to be treated with >> > antibiotics? My son (age 7) had a cough that turned into a >sinus >> > infection. I'd normally just let it work itself out and never >go >> to >> > the doctor- he normally kicks infections quickly. but schools >> starts >> > in a week. And his cough sounds absolutely terrible. He's a >> little >> > stinker for trying anything other than yummy medicine. I'd >> thought >> > about just cleaning his sinuses with saline regularly but I >> imagine >> > he'll tell me after the first time "just give me the antibiotics >> like >> > the doctor said, mom." Though the saline wash should provide >him >> > with immediate relief.>> > >> > Thanks->> > Krissy>>>>>>********************************************* >WWW.PEACEFULMIND.COM Sponsors Alternative Answers->>HEALING NATURALLY- this is the premise of HOLISTIC HEALTH. Preventative and Curative measure to take for many ailments at:>http://www.peacefulmind.com/ailments_frame.htm>__________>>-To INVITE A FRIEND to our healing community, copy and paste this address in an email to them:>http://www./members_add > >_________>To ADD A LINK, RESOURCE, OR WEBSITE to Alternative Answers please Go to: >>http://www./links>>___________>Community email addresses:> Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner >_______>Shortcut URL to this page:> http://www. >

[Guest guest]

I'd love that deal of getting refunds for the alternative docs- I've

got about $350 in to them with no help whatsoever.

it would be nice if there were some online system to rate MD's

though. everything from if their waiting room has cushy chairs, if

they make you wait 2 hours- to more sustantial issues like if they

actually *listen* to you. wonder why there isn't.

I haven't met an MD yet, though, that's just in it for the money.

they're smart guys to even make med school- there are a whole lot of

professions where they could make a whole lot more money. it was the

alternative doc that wouldn't return my call unless I left a credit

card number.

now if you want to say MD's get on a power trip.... that's another

matter entirely. but again, I've seen it in alternative docs too.

 

 

 

, saba2r@a... wrote:

> You raise some good points, but I'm not so sure the problem

is " selling out " to the system as much as it is being trapped by the

system nowadays. And we do need to remember that it is a profession

and that's how they are making their living. There are quite a few

things in place to monitor medical care (as well as the constant

threat of being sued, whether a mistake is actually made or not).

Compare it to corporations where execs walk away from a *failed*

company with millions. That's why my hackles rose over the money

comments. There are people *here* trying to make a buck. Most docs

I've encountered are no more trying to take the money and run than

anyone else - sometimes even less so.

>

> Becca

>

> In a message dated 8/26/2004 3:44:11 PM Eastern Daylight

Time, " johndson2600 " <johndson2600> writes:

>

> > My best friends and some of the most intelligent people I know

> >(outside of my favorite wife)are medical doctors and

Chiropractors.I

> >think what we need is a system that rewards successes,not

propaganda

> >fueled by uneducation of the masses and the often blind desire to

> >create wealth.

> > How do you do that?Quite simple.

> > Just Like every other profession,there needs to be some sort of

> >money back guarantee.If a doctor-and it makes no difference what

kind-

> >does good work and is successful with the patient's pathology-

then he

> >gets paid.If he or she doesn't then they don't get paid.Make it a

> >rule that they have to keep score.That is make them keep records

for

> >all to see of their successes and failures.You don't have to name

> >names of patients,but only conditions and results.That way,those

who

> >are the best doctors would quickly become known.That's the way it

is

> >for every other profession and it shouldn't be in less for the

> >medical establishment.

> > In regard to dicing innocent people,I can name several of my

peers

> >who after sending 100 patients to MD Anderson and seeing everyone

of

> >them come back in body bags are quite willing to send another

> >100.What I'm saying is most of them-not all-maybe not yours

included-

> >have long ago sold out to the system because the system

guarantees

> >them wealth and prestige if they just do what is told by the AMA

etc.

> > , saba2r@a... wrote:

> >> I know quite a bit about the medical world myself. That's why

I

> >take offense at the dissing of quite a number of good and

innocent

> >people. I'm sorry you had such a negative experience.

> >> Most physicians I've dealt with over the past decade or so are

> >quite open to alternative stuff.

> >> Becca

> >>

> >> In a message dated 8/20/2004 3:49:12 PM Eastern Daylight

> >Time, " johndson2600 " <johndson2600> writes:

> >>

> >> > I am not trying to take this discussion personally and I hope

you

> >> >take my comments as a bit of enlightenment rather than telling

you

> >> >point blank you are being hyponotized by one of the snakes in

the

> >> >Cadesus symbol.The medical system in America,including the

> >> >pharmaceutical system, revolves around money and peoples blind

> >> >acceptance that their doctor is one of the best and brightest

> >doctors

> >> >in the world and would never do anything to hurt them.The

> >allopathic

> >> >system is just barely a step above the undertakers.

> >> > Let me tell you a bit about myself.I come from a long line of

> >> >doctors.

> >> > I was president of my medical school class for three years

and

> >got

> >> >to know very well the type of people who make up the medical

> >> >establishment.It has very little to do with real intelligence

as

> >it

> >> >does being able to accept and feed back information.The

medical

> >> >system weeds people out very early on who are going to

challenge

> >or

> >> >question the status quo.That is why you see so many doctors

from

> >> >third world countries in America.They are certainly not going

to

> >> >challenge the system because they learned early on the value

of

> >> >prestige and money.

> >> >

> >> > , saba2r@a... wrote:

> >> >> I'm not intending to argue about this, but what bugged me

was

> >the

> >> >either/or mentality from some posters. All doctors bad - only

> >> >alternative medicine good. That is a dangerous opinion and

it's

> >> >scary to think a person who needs medical attention would turn

> >away

> >> >from it because they listened to that.

> >> >>

> >> >> Nowhere have I stated that I don't understand the dangers of

> >> >antibiotics. There is that either/or thing again. One of my

> >points

> >> >was that understanding the problems they have caused does not

rule

> >> >them out in situations where they are warranted. I can tell

you

> >> >this - the problem is not that doctors are " in bed with "

> >> >pharmaceutical companies, as Russ states on his site, or that

they

> >> >wish to keep people sick so they can make more money. Most

> >> >physicians are extremely intelligent. If all they wanted was

> >money,

> >> >they could make ten times as much in the corporate world. I

do

> >agree

> >> >that pharm companies are in it for money - they are

businesses.

> >So

> >> >let's dispense with the evil doctor horror scenarios.

> >> >>

> >> >> Why would you feel I wouldn't " admit " ignorance? That is an

> >> >obnoxious statement. Many physicians are open to learning

more

> >about

> >> >alternative treatments. They also must constantly fight off

the

> >> >ignorant *patients*, who demand medications/treatments they

don't

> >> >need.

> >> >>

> >> >> Let's keep in mind that a lot of folks here are pushing

products

> >> >because THEY are attempting to make money and sell stuff.

Let's

> >not

> >> >be hypocrites.

> >> >>

> >> >> I'm here because I firmly believe in a return to natural

> >remedies.

> >> >(However, thank God for modern medicine in a lot of

situations).

> >I

> >> >think everyone should share what works for them. I've been a

> >little

> >> >dismayed by the " No, that doesn't work " , " Yes it worked for

> >me " , " My

> >> >stuff is the only thing that works " , etc etc. A little hard

to

> >sort

> >> >out. We are supposed to have " Peaceful Minds " .

> >> >>

> >> >> Becca

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> In a message dated 8/19/2004 9:06:18 PM Eastern Daylight

> >> >Time, " johndson2600 " <johndson2600> writes:

> >> >>

> >> >> > I don't think that anyone here would dispute the value of

> >> >> >antibiotics in situations such as septicemia.

> >> >> > The truth of the matter is though that antibiotics are

given

> >> >> >routinely by vast majority of MD's,DO,s,physician

> >assistant,nurse

> >> >> >practioneers and the like for the simple reason of

ignorance of

> >> >> >alternative treatments.

> >> >> > I seriously doubt that I will get you to admit there is

any

> >> >> >ignorance in the allopathic community.

> >> >> > Just this past week I saw a 51 yo man die because of

misuse of

> >> >> >antibiotics and a 22 yo indian woman rendered sterile for

the

> >same

> >> >> >reason.I am not,at this moment going to explain the

> >pathophysiolgy

> >> >of

> >> >> >either case,but you can bet these cases are just the tip of

the

> >> >> >iceberg.

> >> >> > The root cause of the onset of most sinus problems are

> >allergys.

> >> >> > Dr John D. Son NMD.

> >> >> > , saba2r@a...

wrote:

> >> >> >> I believe the root cause of the sinus problems must be

> >found.

> >> >It's

> >> >> >not a simple A B C for everyone. The word " infection " was

> >brought

> >> >up

> >> >> >initially, which is why I posted that antibiotics indeed

might

> >be

> >> >in

> >> >> >order in some cases. We could go back and forth all day

with

> >> >> >stories - antibiotics are " bad " , but just as the lady

posted

> >about

> >> >> >her daughter damaged by vaccines, I can tell you that my

> >husband

> >> >> >would be dead if it were not for antibiotics, due to a

massive

> >> >> >septicemia. I think we should avoid the this is good and

that

> >is

> >> >> >bad, etc. stuff. Herbs and natural remedies can be " bad "

if

> >> >> >misused. The word " infection " should not be used to

describe

> >all

> >> >> >sinus problems. Some people may in fact be suffering from

> >> >> >allergies. And so on. Everyone needs to determine what

works

> >for

> >> >> >their particular problem.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> Becca

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> In a message dated 8/15/2004 10:21:41 AM Eastern Daylight

> >> >> >Time, " johndson2600 " <johndson2600> writes:

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> > I am an intergrative medical school educated physician

who

> >> >> >> >specializes in Chelation and other IV therapies.In

regard to

> >> >sinus

> >> >> >> >infection the best treatment is that as described in

post

> >> >#10107.

> >> >> >> > Of course,methods used to rebuild the immune system-

such as

> >IV

> >> >> >> >administration of vitamins,minerals and amion acids-as

well

> >as

> >> >PO

> >> >> >use

> >> >> >> >of herbs- are vitally important to living a long and

disease

> >> >free

> >> >> >> >life.Another thing that should be mentioned is gluten

> >> >> >intolerance.I

> >> >> >> >would estimate that maybe at the most 5-10 % of people

who

> >have

> >> >a

> >> >> >> >sensitivity to gluten are aware of it.Avoidance of

gluten-

> >which

> >> >is

> >> >> >> >very difficult to do-is sometimes the first and biggest

step

> >to

> >> >> >> >rebuilding your immune system.Another important step-

getting

> >> >rid

> >> >> >of

> >> >> >> >parasites-is important.Every dog,cat,and cow in the

world

> >has

> >> >> >> >parasites.Why would anyone think that humans are

different

> >in

> >> >> >terms

> >> >> >> >of biology.Don't trust your allopath and his lab to

diagnose

> >> >the

> >> >> >> >situation either.

> >> >> >> > Sincerely,Dr John D. Son NMD

> >> >> >> > , gkbmusic@a...

> >wrote:

> >> >> >> >> Try an Intergrative MD They are amazing! Find someone

who

> >> >uses

> >> >> >IV

> >> >> >> >Therapy to

> >> >> >> >> rebuild the system with vitamins & supplements ..

> >> >> >> >> I am having amazing results!

> >> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> >> and I have had awful doc experiences my entire

life .. I

> >am

> >> >> >now

> >> >> >> >42 . .

> >> >> >> >> wishing love & prayers. .

> >> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

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[Guest guest]

It's really nasty but I had it done once by a doctor (old school doc-

he was great) and it was such an incredible relief, I would totally

do it again. like a superdose of sudafed without the jitters, the

dry mouth, etc. etc.

 

, saba2r@a... wrote:

> I have a co-worker in her fifties who refuses to do the rinses and

stuff! So I'm sure a 7 year old doesn't want to! I've

mentioned the options suggested here for her sinus problems. She

uses an inhaler, but I think she needs to try something different.

>

> Becca

>

> In a message dated 8/26/2004 10:14:48 PM Eastern Daylight

Time, " krissy_texas " <krissy_texas> writes:

>

> >Hi Andy-

> >This was my son's first episode ever with sinusitus (he's 7

1/2).

> >He had an ear infection when he was 1 1/2 and that was the last

time

> >we'd used antibiotics. he had been sick for about 2 weeks prior

to

> >my taking him to the doctor.

> >The difficulty that I have with Alex, is that he's 7 and he won't

> >try quite a lot of the alternative options! I don't blame him on

> >the nose rinse- that is a little icky!

> >He did end up with an ear infection anyway, after the

antibiotics.

> >For that- I found a homeopathic remedy at the store. And then I

had

> >him take cold medicine twice (with the mucus thinner stuff-

> >guayfenasine?) to get him all drained out.

> >Thanks

> >

> >Krissy

> >

> > , " Andy "

> ><andy_anastasi> wrote:

> >> Hi Krissy,

> >>

> >> i'm sure by now you've received quite a lot of answers by now.

> >> Based on the fact that you've already visited a MD (GP) and

he's

> >> identifid that there are some antibiotics that your son can

take

> >> then as a general rule of thumb you should allow your son at

least

> >a

> >> 3 days to attempt to get over the infection on his own, with of

> >> course the assistance of yourself using recommended herbal

> >remedies.

> >> (i've read many of the responses and theres a very good list of

> >> which to take).

> >>

> >> If after the 3 days your son is not getting any better (unless

of

> >> course he has undergone some homeopathic remedies, then i would

> >> suggest taking antibiotics. Though after the cycle of

anitibiotics

> >i

> >> would suggest that your son eat as many healthy vegetables as

> >> possible to rid the sinus.

> >>

> >> May i ask how often does your son suffer from infected

sinusitis ?

> >>

> >> regards

> >>

> >> Andy Anastasi

> >> , " krissy_texas "

> >> <krissy_texas> wrote:

> >> > When do you all think sinus infections need to be treated

with

> >> > antibiotics? My son (age 7) had a cough that turned into a

> >sinus

> >> > infection. I'd normally just let it work itself out and

never

> >go

> >> to

> >> > the doctor- he normally kicks infections quickly. but

schools

> >> starts

> >> > in a week. And his cough sounds absolutely terrible. He's a

> >> little

> >> > stinker for trying anything other than yummy medicine. I'd

> >> thought

> >> > about just cleaning his sinuses with saline regularly but I

> >> imagine

> >> > he'll tell me after the first time " just give me the

antibiotics

> >> like

> >> > the doctor said, mom. " Though the saline wash should provide

> >him

> >> > with immediate relief.

> >> >

> >> > Thanks-

> >> > Krissy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Krissy,

I couldn't help but note that you are from Austin.I know alot of

people practicing medicine in Austin.Some of them are in it for the

drugs,some of them are in for the sex,most of them do it because they

can't do anything else.All of them are in it for the money.Now I'm

not saying that is a bad trait.Afterall,most of us desire a

comfortable existance and in America,just about like everywhere

else,that takes money.

Please don't fool yourself into thinking that overall doctors are

smarter than most other people.Doctors,for the most part,are people

who can sit down and study several hours a day and regurgitate what

they learn in class and never question the system.If you don't do

things like that they weed you out real early in the system that

produces docs.That doesn't take intelligence,just a good memory

Let me tell a few other things about medical students which you

probably already know.

I'm not tooting my horn but,like I said in an earlier post,I was

president of my medical school class for three years at Galveston.I

got to know-some very intimately,most fairly well.Out of my class of

150 or so guess into what specialty the ten went into that were the

perverts and the misfits(in my opinion)in the class.You guessed it.

, " krissy_texas "

<krissy_texas> wrote:

> I'd love that deal of getting refunds for the alternative docs-

I've

> got about $350 in to them with no help whatsoever.

> it would be nice if there were some online system to rate MD's

> though. everything from if their waiting room has cushy chairs, if

> they make you wait 2 hours- to more sustantial issues like if they

> actually *listen* to you. wonder why there isn't.

> I haven't met an MD yet, though, that's just in it for the money.

> they're smart guys to even make med school- there are a whole lot

of

> professions where they could make a whole lot more money. it was

the

> alternative doc that wouldn't return my call unless I left a credit

> card number.

> now if you want to say MD's get on a power trip.... that's another

> matter entirely. but again, I've seen it in alternative docs too.

>

>

>

> , saba2r@a... wrote:

> > You raise some good points, but I'm not so sure the problem

> is " selling out " to the system as much as it is being trapped by

the

> system nowadays. And we do need to remember that it is a

profession

> and that's how they are making their living. There are quite a few

> things in place to monitor medical care (as well as the constant

> threat of being sued, whether a mistake is actually made or not).

> Compare it to corporations where execs walk away from a *failed*

> company with millions. That's why my hackles rose over the money

> comments. There are people *here* trying to make a buck. Most

docs

> I've encountered are no more trying to take the money and run than

> anyone else - sometimes even less so.

> >

> > Becca

> >

> > In a message dated 8/26/2004 3:44:11 PM Eastern Daylight

> Time, " johndson2600 " <johndson2600> writes:

> >

> > > My best friends and some of the most intelligent people I know

> > >(outside of my favorite wife)are medical doctors and

> Chiropractors.I

> > >think what we need is a system that rewards successes,not

> propaganda

> > >fueled by uneducation of the masses and the often blind desire

to

> > >create wealth.

> > > How do you do that?Quite simple.

> > > Just Like every other profession,there needs to be some sort of

> > >money back guarantee.If a doctor-and it makes no difference what

> kind-

> > >does good work and is successful with the patient's pathology-

> then he

> > >gets paid.If he or she doesn't then they don't get paid.Make it

a

> > >rule that they have to keep score.That is make them keep records

> for

> > >all to see of their successes and failures.You don't have to

name

> > >names of patients,but only conditions and results.That way,those

> who

> > >are the best doctors would quickly become known.That's the way

it

> is

> > >for every other profession and it shouldn't be in less for the

> > >medical establishment.

> > > In regard to dicing innocent people,I can name several of my

> peers

> > >who after sending 100 patients to MD Anderson and seeing

everyone

> of

> > >them come back in body bags are quite willing to send another

> > >100.What I'm saying is most of them-not all-maybe not yours

> included-

> > >have long ago sold out to the system because the system

> guarantees

> > >them wealth and prestige if they just do what is told by the AMA

> etc.

> > > , saba2r@a... wrote:

> > >> I know quite a bit about the medical world myself. That's why

> I

> > >take offense at the dissing of quite a number of good and

> innocent

> > >people. I'm sorry you had such a negative experience.

> > >> Most physicians I've dealt with over the past decade or so are

> > >quite open to alternative stuff.

> > >> Becca

> > >>

> > >> In a message dated 8/20/2004 3:49:12 PM Eastern Daylight

> > >Time, " johndson2600 " <johndson2600> writes:

> > >>

> > >> > I am not trying to take this discussion personally and I

hope

> you

> > >> >take my comments as a bit of enlightenment rather than

telling

> you

> > >> >point blank you are being hyponotized by one of the snakes in

> the

> > >> >Cadesus symbol.The medical system in America,including the

> > >> >pharmaceutical system, revolves around money and peoples

blind

> > >> >acceptance that their doctor is one of the best and brightest

> > >doctors

> > >> >in the world and would never do anything to hurt them.The

> > >allopathic

> > >> >system is just barely a step above the undertakers.

> > >> > Let me tell you a bit about myself.I come from a long line

of

> > >> >doctors.

> > >> > I was president of my medical school class for three years

> and

> > >got

> > >> >to know very well the type of people who make up the medical

> > >> >establishment.It has very little to do with real intelligence

> as

> > >it

> > >> >does being able to accept and feed back information.The

> medical

> > >> >system weeds people out very early on who are going to

> challenge

> > >or

> > >> >question the status quo.That is why you see so many doctors

> from

> > >> >third world countries in America.They are certainly not going

> to

> > >> >challenge the system because they learned early on the value

> of

> > >> >prestige and money.

> > >> >

> > >> > , saba2r@a... wrote:

> > >> >> I'm not intending to argue about this, but what bugged me

> was

> > >the

> > >> >either/or mentality from some posters. All doctors bad -

only

> > >> >alternative medicine good. That is a dangerous opinion and

> it's

> > >> >scary to think a person who needs medical attention would

turn

> > >away

> > >> >from it because they listened to that.

> > >> >>

> > >> >> Nowhere have I stated that I don't understand the dangers

of

> > >> >antibiotics. There is that either/or thing again. One of my

> > >points

> > >> >was that understanding the problems they have caused does not

> rule

> > >> >them out in situations where they are warranted. I can tell

> you

> > >> >this - the problem is not that doctors are " in bed with "

> > >> >pharmaceutical companies, as Russ states on his site, or that

> they

> > >> >wish to keep people sick so they can make more money. Most

> > >> >physicians are extremely intelligent. If all they wanted was

> > >money,

> > >> >they could make ten times as much in the corporate world. I

> do

> > >agree

> > >> >that pharm companies are in it for money - they are

> businesses.

> > >So

> > >> >let's dispense with the evil doctor horror scenarios.

> > >> >>

> > >> >> Why would you feel I wouldn't " admit " ignorance? That is

an

> > >> >obnoxious statement. Many physicians are open to learning

> more

> > >about

> > >> >alternative treatments. They also must constantly fight off

> the

> > >> >ignorant *patients*, who demand medications/treatments they

> don't

> > >> >need.

> > >> >>

> > >> >> Let's keep in mind that a lot of folks here are pushing

> products

> > >> >because THEY are attempting to make money and sell stuff.

> Let's

> > >not

> > >> >be hypocrites.

> > >> >>

> > >> >> I'm here because I firmly believe in a return to natural

> > >remedies.

> > >> >(However, thank God for modern medicine in a lot of

> situations).

> > >I

> > >> >think everyone should share what works for them. I've been a

> > >little

> > >> >dismayed by the " No, that doesn't work " , " Yes it worked for

> > >me " , " My

> > >> >stuff is the only thing that works " , etc etc. A little hard

> to

> > >sort

> > >> >out. We are supposed to have " Peaceful Minds " .

> > >> >>

> > >> >> Becca

> > >> >>

> > >> >>

> > >> >>

> > >> >> In a message dated 8/19/2004 9:06:18 PM Eastern Daylight

> > >> >Time, " johndson2600 " <johndson2600> writes:

> > >> >>

> > >> >> > I don't think that anyone here would dispute the value of

> > >> >> >antibiotics in situations such as septicemia.

> > >> >> > The truth of the matter is though that antibiotics are

> given

> > >> >> >routinely by vast majority of MD's,DO,s,physician

> > >assistant,nurse

> > >> >> >practioneers and the like for the simple reason of

> ignorance of

> > >> >> >alternative treatments.

> > >> >> > I seriously doubt that I will get you to admit there is

> any

> > >> >> >ignorance in the allopathic community.

> > >> >> > Just this past week I saw a 51 yo man die because of

> misuse of

> > >> >> >antibiotics and a 22 yo indian woman rendered sterile for

> the

> > >same

> > >> >> >reason.I am not,at this moment going to explain the

> > >pathophysiolgy

> > >> >of

> > >> >> >either case,but you can bet these cases are just the tip

of

> the

> > >> >> >iceberg.

> > >> >> > The root cause of the onset of most sinus problems are

> > >allergys.

> > >> >> > Dr John D. Son NMD.

> > >> >> > , saba2r@a...

> wrote:

> > >> >> >> I believe the root cause of the sinus problems must be

> > >found.

> > >> >It's

> > >> >> >not a simple A B C for everyone. The word " infection " was

> > >brought

> > >> >up

> > >> >> >initially, which is why I posted that antibiotics indeed

> might

> > >be

> > >> >in

> > >> >> >order in some cases. We could go back and forth all day

> with

> > >> >> >stories - antibiotics are " bad " , but just as the lady

> posted

> > >about

> > >> >> >her daughter damaged by vaccines, I can tell you that my

> > >husband

> > >> >> >would be dead if it were not for antibiotics, due to a

> massive

> > >> >> >septicemia. I think we should avoid the this is good and

> that

> > >is

> > >> >> >bad, etc. stuff. Herbs and natural remedies can be " bad "

> if

> > >> >> >misused. The word " infection " should not be used to

> describe

> > >all

> > >> >> >sinus problems. Some people may in fact be suffering from

> > >> >> >allergies. And so on. Everyone needs to determine what

> works

> > >for

> > >> >> >their particular problem.

> > >> >> >>

> > >> >> >> Becca

> > >> >> >>

> > >> >> >> In a message dated 8/15/2004 10:21:41 AM Eastern

Daylight

> > >> >> >Time, " johndson2600 " <johndson2600> writes:

> > >> >> >>

> > >> >> >> >

> > >> >> >> > I am an intergrative medical school educated physician

> who

> > >> >> >> >specializes in Chelation and other IV therapies.In

> regard to

> > >> >sinus

> > >> >> >> >infection the best treatment is that as described in

> post

> > >> >#10107.

> > >> >> >> > Of course,methods used to rebuild the immune system-

> such as

> > >IV

> > >> >> >> >administration of vitamins,minerals and amion acids-as

> well

> > >as

> > >> >PO

> > >> >> >use

> > >> >> >> >of herbs- are vitally important to living a long and

> disease

> > >> >free

> > >> >> >> >life.Another thing that should be mentioned is gluten

> > >> >> >intolerance.I

> > >> >> >> >would estimate that maybe at the most 5-10 % of people

> who

> > >have

> > >> >a

> > >> >> >> >sensitivity to gluten are aware of it.Avoidance of

> gluten-

> > >which

> > >> >is

> > >> >> >> >very difficult to do-is sometimes the first and biggest

> step

> > >to

> > >> >> >> >rebuilding your immune system.Another important step-

> getting

> > >> >rid

> > >> >> >of

> > >> >> >> >parasites-is important.Every dog,cat,and cow in the

> world

> > >has

> > >> >> >> >parasites.Why would anyone think that humans are

> different

> > >in

> > >> >> >terms

> > >> >> >> >of biology.Don't trust your allopath and his lab to

> diagnose

> > >> >the

> > >> >> >> >situation either.

> > >> >> >> > Sincerely,Dr John D. Son NMD

> > >> >> >> > ,

gkbmusic@a...

> > >wrote:

> > >> >> >> >> Try an Intergrative MD They are amazing! Find someone

> who

> > >> >uses

> > >> >> >IV

> > >> >> >> >Therapy to

> > >> >> >> >> rebuild the system with vitamins & supplements ..

> > >> >> >> >> I am having amazing results!

> > >> >> >> >>

> > >> >> >> >> and I have had awful doc experiences my entire

> life .. I

> > >am

> > >> >> >now

> > >> >> >> >42 . .

> > >> >> >> >> wishing love & prayers. .

> > >> >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> >

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