Guest guest Report post Posted January 7, 2010 Oh my goodness those meals sound so healthy and tasty. I hope to put recipes on soon esp. of different salsas like mango salsa, etc. It is difficult to unlearn 40 years of eating, isn't it. My daughter is now a vegan. She has more courage than me I think. Any vegans here? Please send your advice. Thanks, Kel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 7, 2010 I’m not really a vegan. I eat a little bit of meat (very little, and only once in a while) because I’m anemic right now. I don’t have any dairy though, because it gives me migraines. I find my lupus acts up when I eat the meat though. Amelia P.S. I like your idea of posting recipes, Kel. On Behalf Of Kelly W. Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:05 PM vegan Oh my goodness those meals sound so healthy and tasty. I hope to put recipes on soon esp. of different salsas like mango salsa, etc. It is difficult to unlearn 40 years of eating, isn't it. My daughter is now a vegan. She has more courage than me I think. Any vegans here? Please send your advice. Thanks, Kel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 7, 2010 Yes, and I could learn to put those recipes into a file. I should have been putting great articles into files all along, but I'm a little slow-brained and scared when it comes to computers. No excuses. --- On Thu, 1/7/10, ameliagerlach <ameliagerlach wrote: ameliagerlach <ameliagerlachRE: vegan Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 12:10 PM I’m not really a vegan. I eat a little bit of meat (very little, and only once in a while) because I’m anemic right now. I don’t have any dairy though, because it gives me migraines. I find my lupus acts up when I eat the meat though. Amelia P.S. I like your idea of posting recipes, Kel. [natural_ healing-] On Behalf Of Kelly W.Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:05 PM vegan Oh my goodness those meals sound so healthy and tasty. I hope to put recipes on soon esp. of different salsas like mango salsa, etc. It is difficult to unlearn 40 years of eating, isn't it. My daughter is now a vegan. She has more courage than me I think. Any vegans here? Please send your advice. Thanks, Kel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 7, 2010 I was a vegan for 3 years until my body started to fall apart. Which lead me down a very passionate path on how the body works. My body took over 6 years to recover from a three and a half year vegan life style. Vegan/vegetarian life style is a moral choice not a biologically sound diet choice. Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcherVibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA."The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease." Thomas Edison"Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right." Henry Ford"Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength." Corrie Ten Boom"Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought." Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 http://mbsre-set.com http://environotics.com http://beeassist.com Kelly W.. <kellykebby Sent: Thu, January 7, 2010 12:05:04 PM vegan Oh my goodness those meals sound so healthy and tasty. I hope to put recipes on soon esp. of different salsas like mango salsa, etc. It is difficult to unlearn 40 years of eating, isn't it. My daughter is now a vegan. She has more courage than me I think. Any vegans here? Please send your advice. Thanks, Kel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 7, 2010 I think it’s an individual choice, in the sense that every person responds differently, depending on their body. I do find that meat stimulates autoimmunity in my body, but like I mentioned, I need a little to keep my blood counts up. Amelia On Behalf Of Wil Spencer Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:29 PM Re: vegan I was a vegan for 3 years until my body started to fall apart. Which lead me down a very passionate path on how the body works. My body took over 6 years to recover from a three and a half year vegan life style. Vegan/vegetarian life style is a moral choice not a biologically sound diet choice. Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease. " Thomas Edison " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right. " Henry Ford " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength. " Corrie Ten Boom " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 http://mbsre-set.com http://environotics.com http://beeassist.com Kelly W.. <kellykebby Thu, January 7, 2010 12:05:04 PM vegan Oh my goodness those meals sound so healthy and tasty. I hope to put recipes on soon esp. of different salsas like mango salsa, etc. It is difficult to unlearn 40 years of eating, isn't it. My daughter is now a vegan. She has more courage than me I think. Any vegans here? Please send your advice. Thanks, Kel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 7, 2010 Generally low blood counts are related to the body's ability to convert the amino acids and minerals into life force.Eating a diet high of insoluble fiber, which is virtually void of life force to any human leads to severe depletions. The main one in females is a hormone imbalance.On a moral view I can agree it is an individual choice, but on a biological and electrical view of the body is a slow death sentence.I speak from the view of a health care provider. In my clinic I have seen time and time again, how the moral choice of vegan/veggy mines the body of vital minerals and amino acid stores. I would beg you to do your research! I have seen so many people killing themselves because of the lack of knowledge of how the body works biologically and electrically, and I was one of them 16 years ago. Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcherVibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA."The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease." Thomas Edison"Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right." Henry Ford"Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength." Corrie Ten Boom"Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought." Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 http://mbsre-set.com http://environotics.com http://beeassist.com "ameliagerlach" <ameliagerlach Sent: Thu, January 7, 2010 12:31:45 PMRE: vegan I think it’s an individual choice, in the sense that every person responds differently, depending on their body. I do find that meat stimulates autoimmunity in my body, but like I mentioned, I need a little to keep my blood counts up. Amelia [natural_ healing-] On Behalf Of Wil Spencer Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:29 PM Re: vegan I was a vegan for 3 years until my body started to fall apart. Which lead me down a very passionate path on how the body works. My body took over 6 years to recover from a three and a half year vegan life style. Vegan/vegetarian life style is a moral choice not a biologically sound diet choice. Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. "The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease." Thomas Edison "Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right." Henry Ford "Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength." Corrie Ten Boom "Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought." Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 http://mbsre- set.com http://environotics .com http://beeassist. com Kelly W.. <kellykebby > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:05:04 PM vegan Oh my goodness those meals sound so healthy and tasty. I hope to put recipes on soon esp. of different salsas like mango salsa, etc. It is difficult to unlearn 40 years of eating, isn't it. My daughter is now a vegan. She has more courage than me I think. Any vegans here? Please send your advice. Thanks, Kel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 7, 2010 My problem is what to do about the autoimmunity reaction I get when I eat animal products (migraine, joint pain). On Behalf Of Wil Spencer Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:50 PM Re: vegan Generally low blood counts are related to the body's ability to convert the amino acids and minerals into life force. Eating a diet high of insoluble fiber, which is virtually void of life force to any human leads to severe depletions. The main one in females is a hormone imbalance. On a moral view I can agree it is an individual choice, but on a biological and electrical view of the body is a slow death sentence. I speak from the view of a health care provider. In my clinic I have seen time and time again, how the moral choice of vegan/veggy mines the body of vital minerals and amino acid stores. I would beg you to do your research! I have seen so many people killing themselves because of the lack of knowledge of how the body works biologically and electrically, and I was one of them 16 years ago. Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease. " Thomas Edison " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right. " Henry Ford " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength. " Corrie Ten Boom " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 http://mbsre-set.com http://environotics.com http://beeassist.com " ameliagerlach " <ameliagerlach Thu, January 7, 2010 12:31:45 PM RE: vegan I think it’s an individual choice, in the sense that every person responds differently, depending on their body. I do find that meat stimulates autoimmunity in my body, but like I mentioned, I need a little to keep my blood counts up. Amelia [natural_ healing-] On Behalf Of Wil Spencer Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:29 PM Re: vegan I was a vegan for 3 years until my body started to fall apart. Which lead me down a very passionate path on how the body works. My body took over 6 years to recover from a three and a half year vegan life style. Vegan/vegetarian life style is a moral choice not a biologically sound diet choice. Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease. " Thomas Edison " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right. " Henry Ford " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength. " Corrie Ten Boom " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 http://mbsre- set.com http://environotics .com http://beeassist. com Kelly W.. <kellykebby > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:05:04 PM vegan Oh my goodness those meals sound so healthy and tasty. I hope to put recipes on soon esp. of different salsas like mango salsa, etc. It is difficult to unlearn 40 years of eating, isn't it. My daughter is now a vegan. She has more courage than me I think. Any vegans here? Please send your advice. Thanks, Kel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 7, 2010 Because I do not know very much about you there are several questions I would need answer to before I can give much help.I have been on this forum for awhile but have not said much, just observed. Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcherVibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA."The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease." Thomas Edison"Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right." Henry Ford"Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength." Corrie Ten Boom"Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought." Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 http://mbsre-set.com http://environotics.com http://beeassist.com "ameliagerlach" <ameliagerlachTo: Sent: Thu, January 7, 2010 1:05:33 PMRE: vegan My problem is what to do about the autoimmunity reaction I get when I eat animal products (migraine, joint pain). [natural_ healing-] On Behalf Of Wil Spencer Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:50 PM Re: vegan Generally low blood counts are related to the body's ability to convert the amino acids and minerals into life force. Eating a diet high of insoluble fiber, which is virtually void of life force to any human leads to severe depletions. The main one in females is a hormone imbalance. On a moral view I can agree it is an individual choice, but on a biological and electrical view of the body is a slow death sentence. I speak from the view of a health care provider. In my clinic I have seen time and time again, how the moral choice of vegan/veggy mines the body of vital minerals and amino acid stores. I would beg you to do your research! I have seen so many people killing themselves because of the lack of knowledge of how the body works biologically and electrically, and I was one of them 16 years ago. Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. "The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease." Thomas Edison "Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right." Henry Ford "Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength." Corrie Ten Boom "Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought." Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 http://mbsre- set.com http://environotics .com http://beeassist. com "ameliagerlach@ hotsheet. com" <ameliagerlach@ hotsheet. com> Thu, January 7, 2010 12:31:45 PM RE: vegan I think it’s an individual choice, in the sense that every person responds differently, depending on their body. I do find that meat stimulates autoimmunity in my body, but like I mentioned, I need a little to keep my blood counts up. Amelia [natural_ healing-] On Behalf Of Wil Spencer Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:29 PM Re: vegan I was a vegan for 3 years until my body started to fall apart. Which lead me down a very passionate path on how the body works. My body took over 6 years to recover from a three and a half year vegan life style. Vegan/vegetarian life style is a moral choice not a biologically sound diet choice. Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. "The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease." Thomas Edison "Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right." Henry Ford "Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength." Corrie Ten Boom "Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought." Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 http://mbsre- set.com http://environotics .com http://beeassist. com Kelly W.. <kellykebby > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:05:04 PM vegan Oh my goodness those meals sound so healthy and tasty. I hope to put recipes on soon esp. of different salsas like mango salsa, etc. It is difficult to unlearn 40 years of eating, isn't it. My daughter is now a vegan. She has more courage than me I think. Any vegans here? Please send your advice. Thanks, Kel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 7, 2010 Well, the main thing is I have systemic lupus. On Behalf Of Wil Spencer Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:27 PM Re: vegan Because I do not know very much about you there are several questions I would need answer to before I can give much help. I have been on this forum for awhile but have not said much, just observed. Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease. " Thomas Edison " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right. " Henry Ford " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength. " Corrie Ten Boom " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 http://mbsre-set.com http://environotics.com http://beeassist.com " ameliagerlach " <ameliagerlach Thu, January 7, 2010 1:05:33 PM RE: vegan My problem is what to do about the autoimmunity reaction I get when I eat animal products (migraine, joint pain). [natural_ healing-] On Behalf Of Wil Spencer Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:50 PM Re: vegan Generally low blood counts are related to the body's ability to convert the amino acids and minerals into life force. Eating a diet high of insoluble fiber, which is virtually void of life force to any human leads to severe depletions. The main one in females is a hormone imbalance. On a moral view I can agree it is an individual choice, but on a biological and electrical view of the body is a slow death sentence. I speak from the view of a health care provider. In my clinic I have seen time and time again, how the moral choice of vegan/veggy mines the body of vital minerals and amino acid stores. I would beg you to do your research! I have seen so many people killing themselves because of the lack of knowledge of how the body works biologically and electrically, and I was one of them 16 years ago. Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease. " Thomas Edison " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right. " Henry Ford " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength. " Corrie Ten Boom " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 http://mbsre- set.com http://environotics .com http://beeassist. com " ameliagerlach@ hotsheet. com " <ameliagerlach@ hotsheet. com> Thu, January 7, 2010 12:31:45 PM RE: vegan I think it’s an individual choice, in the sense that every person responds differently, depending on their body. I do find that meat stimulates autoimmunity in my body, but like I mentioned, I need a little to keep my blood counts up. Amelia [natural_ healing-] On Behalf Of Wil Spencer Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:29 PM Re: vegan I was a vegan for 3 years until my body started to fall apart. Which lead me down a very passionate path on how the body works. My body took over 6 years to recover from a three and a half year vegan life style. Vegan/vegetarian life style is a moral choice not a biologically sound diet choice. Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease. " Thomas Edison " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right. " Henry Ford " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength. " Corrie Ten Boom " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 http://mbsre- set.com http://environotics .com http://beeassist. com Kelly W.. <kellykebby > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:05:04 PM vegan Oh my goodness those meals sound so healthy and tasty. I hope to put recipes on soon esp. of different salsas like mango salsa, etc. It is difficult to unlearn 40 years of eating, isn't it. My daughter is now a vegan. She has more courage than me I think. Any vegans here? Please send your advice. Thanks, Kel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 7, 2010 Will,I completely agree with you! If you eat an all vegan diet you will never achieve good health. It is not possible because of how our digestive system and cells are designed. Now if you had 5 stomachs like a cow and ate every waking hour of your entire life, then you would probably be good to go.DanRe: vegan Generally low blood counts are related to the body's ability to convert the amino acids and minerals into life force.Eating a diet high of insoluble fiber, which is virtually void of life force to any human leads to severe depletions. The main one in females is a hormone imbalance.On a moral view I can agree it is an individual choice, but on a biological and electrical view of the body is a slow death sentence.I speak from the view of a health care provider. In my clinic I have seen time and time again, how the moral choice of vegan/veggy mines the body of vital minerals and amino acid stores. I would beg you to do your research! I have seen so many people killing themselves because of the lack of knowledge of how the body works biologically and electrically, and I was one of them 16 years ago. Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcherVibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA."The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease." Thomas Edison"Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right." Henry Ford"Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength." Corrie Ten Boom"Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought." Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 http://mbsre-set.com http://environotics.com http://beeassist.com "ameliagerlach (AT) hotsheet (DOT) com" <ameliagerlach (AT) hotsheet (DOT) com> Sent: Thu, January 7, 2010 12:31:45 PMRE: vegan I think it’s an individual choice, in the sense that every person responds differently, depending on their body. I do find that meat stimulates autoimmunity in my body, but like I mentioned, I need a little to keep my blood counts up. Amelia [natural_ healing-] On Behalf Of Wil Spencer Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:29 PM Re: vegan I was a vegan for 3 years until my body started to fall apart. Which lead me down a very passionate path on how the body works. My body took over 6 years to recover from a three and a half year vegan life style. Vegan/vegetarian life style is a moral choice not a biologically sound diet choice. Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. "The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease." Thomas Edison "Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right." Henry Ford "Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength." Corrie Ten Boom "Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought." Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 http://mbsre- set.com http://environotics .com http://beeassist. com Kelly W.. <kellykebby > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:05:04 PM vegan Oh my goodness those meals sound so healthy and tasty. I hope to put recipes on soon esp. of different salsas like mango salsa, etc. It is difficult to unlearn 40 years of eating, isn't it. My daughter is now a vegan. She has more courage than me I think. Any vegans here? Please send your advice. Thanks, Kel Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 2010 OMG, I can't believe what I am reading here.....According to all the new studies coming out a plant based diet is the only healthy way to eat. You have to educate yourself and eat the right things ... Please read The China Study or Anti Cancer.... Meat is not healthy for us or dairy. sugar and processed foods... A diet with fruits, vegetables, whole grains, nuts, and legumes is healing and healthy.....You can get ALL the protien and amino acids you need from a vegan diet. For me it is not a moral choice , I wish to continue to live..... Please educate yourselves....... Regards, Vicki , Wil Spencer <wilspencer wrote: > > Generally low blood counts are related to the body's ability to convert the amino acids and minerals into life force. > Eating a diet high of insoluble fiber, which is virtually void of life force to any human leads to severe depletions. The main one in females is a hormone imbalance. > On a moral view I can agree it is an individual choice, but on a biological and electrical view of the body is a slow death sentence. > I speak from the view of a health care provider. In my clinic I have seen time and time again, how the moral choice of vegan/veggy mines the body of vital minerals and amino acid stores. I would beg you to do your research! I have seen so many people killing themselves because of the lack of knowledge of how the body works biologically and electrically, and I was one of them 16 years ago. > > Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher > Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. > > " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease. " Thomas Edison > " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right. " Henry Ford > " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength. " Corrie Ten Boom > " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 > > http://mbsre-set.com > http://environotics.com > http://beeassist.com > > > > > > ________________________________ > " ameliagerlach " <ameliagerlach > > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:31:45 PM > RE: vegan > > > I think it’s an individual choice, in the sense that every > person responds differently, depending on their body. I do find that meat > stimulates autoimmunity in my body, but like I mentioned, I need a little to > keep my blood counts up. > Amelia > > > > [natural_ healing-] On Behalf Of Wil Spencer > Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:29 PM > > Re: vegan > > > I was a vegan for 3 years > until my body started to fall apart. Which lead me down a very passionate > path on how the body works. My body took over 6 years to recover from a > three and a half year vegan life style. > Vegan/vegetarian life style is a moral choice not a biologically sound diet > choice. > > Wil Spencer VMSP, > Naturopath, author, researcher > Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working > with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective > tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. > > " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest > patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and > prevention of disease. " Thomas Edison > " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are > right. " Henry Ford > " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its > strength. " Corrie Ten Boom > " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen > and thinking what no one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel > Prize for Medicine 1937 > > http://mbsre- set.com > http://environotics .com > http://beeassist. com > > > > ________________________________ > > Kelly W.. > <kellykebby > > > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:05:04 PM > vegan > > > Oh my goodness those meals sound so healthy and tasty. I hope to put recipes on soon esp. of different salsas like mango salsa, etc. It is difficult to unlearn 40 years of eating, isn't it. My daughter is now a vegan. She has more courage than me I think. Any vegans here? Please send your advice. Thanks, Kel > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 2010 I totally agree with Vicki. Look at what the Gerson Therapy has done for so many people with cancer, healing them in spite of their grim prognostics, by using a vegan diet. Amelia On Behalf Of ohlyvicki Friday, January 08, 2010 11:22 AM Re: vegan OMG, I can't believe what I am reading here.....According to all the new studies coming out a plant based diet is the only healthy way to eat. You have to educate yourself and eat the right things .... Please read The China Study or Anti Cancer.... Meat is not healthy for us or dairy. sugar and processed foods... A diet with fruits, vegetables, whole grains, nuts, and legumes is healing and healthy.....You can get ALL the protien and amino acids you need from a vegan diet. For me it is not a moral choice , I wish to continue to live..... Please educate yourselves....... Regards, Vicki , Wil Spencer <wilspencer wrote: > > Generally low blood counts are related to the body's ability to convert the amino acids and minerals into life force. > Eating a diet high of insoluble fiber, which is virtually void of life force to any human leads to severe depletions. The main one in females is a hormone imbalance. > On a moral view I can agree it is an individual choice, but on a biological and electrical view of the body is a slow death sentence. > I speak from the view of a health care provider. In my clinic I have seen time and time again, how the moral choice of vegan/veggy mines the body of vital minerals and amino acid stores. I would beg you to do your research! I have seen so many people killing themselves because of the lack of knowledge of how the body works biologically and electrically, and I was one of them 16 years ago. > > Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher > Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. > > " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease. " Thomas Edison > " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right. " Henry Ford > " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength. " Corrie Ten Boom > " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 > > http://mbsre-set.com > http://environotics.com > http://beeassist.com > > > > > > ________________________________ > " ameliagerlach " <ameliagerlach > > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:31:45 PM > RE: vegan > > > I think it’s an individual choice, in the sense that every > person responds differently, depending on their body. I do find that meat > stimulates autoimmunity in my body, but like I mentioned, I need a little to > keep my blood counts up. > Amelia > > > > [natural_ healing-] On Behalf Of Wil Spencer > Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:29 PM > > Re: vegan > > > I was a vegan for 3 years > until my body started to fall apart. Which lead me down a very passionate > path on how the body works. My body took over 6 years to recover from a > three and a half year vegan life style. > Vegan/vegetarian life style is a moral choice not a biologically sound diet > choice. > > Wil Spencer VMSP, > Naturopath, author, researcher > Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working > with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective > tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. > > " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest > patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and > prevention of disease. " Thomas Edison > " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are > right. " Henry Ford > " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its > strength. " Corrie Ten Boom > " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen > and thinking what no one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel > Prize for Medicine 1937 > > http://mbsre- set.com > http://environotics .com > http://beeassist. com > > > > ________________________________ > > Kelly W.. > <kellykebby > > > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:05:04 PM > vegan > > > Oh my goodness those meals sound so healthy and tasty. I hope to put recipes on soon esp. of different salsas like mango salsa, etc. It is difficult to unlearn 40 years of eating, isn't it. My daughter is now a vegan. She has more courage than me I think. Any vegans here? Please send your advice. Thanks, Kel > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 2010 Could you recommend any good books to read on this? I'm a protein person & need to know what has a lot of protein.~Dene On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:21 AM, ohlyvicki <as-above wrote: OMG, I can't believe what I am reading here.....According to all the new studies coming out a plant based diet is the only healthy way to eat. You have to educate yourself and eat the right things ... Please read The China Study or Anti Cancer.... Meat is not healthy for us or dairy. sugar and processed foods... A diet with fruits, vegetables, whole grains, nuts, and legumes is healing and healthy.....You can get ALL the protien and amino acids you need from a vegan diet. For me it is not a moral choice , I wish to continue to live..... Please educate yourselves....... Regards, Vicki , Wil Spencer <wilspencer wrote: > > Generally low blood counts are related to the body's ability to convert the amino acids and minerals into life force. > Eating a diet high of insoluble fiber, which is virtually void of life force to any human leads to severe depletions. The main one in females is a hormone imbalance. > On a moral view I can agree it is an individual choice, but on a biological and electrical view of the body is a slow death sentence. > I speak from the view of a health care provider. In my clinic I have seen time and time again, how the moral choice of vegan/veggy mines the body of vital minerals and amino acid stores. I would beg you to do your research! I have seen so many people killing themselves because of the lack of knowledge of how the body works biologically and electrically, and I was one of them 16 years ago. > > Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher > Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. > > " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease. " Thomas Edison > " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right. " Henry Ford > " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength. " Corrie Ten Boom > " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 > > http://mbsre-set.com > http://environotics.com > http://beeassist.com > > > > > > ________________________________ > " ameliagerlach " <ameliagerlach > > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:31:45 PM > RE: vegan > > > I think it’s an individual choice, in the sense that every > person responds differently, depending on their body. I do find that meat > stimulates autoimmunity in my body, but like I mentioned, I need a little to > keep my blood counts up. > Amelia > > > > [natural_ healing-] On Behalf Of Wil Spencer > Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:29 PM > > Re: vegan > > > I was a vegan for 3 years > until my body started to fall apart. Which lead me down a very passionate > path on how the body works. My body took over 6 years to recover from a > three and a half year vegan life style. > Vegan/vegetarian life style is a moral choice not a biologically sound diet > choice. > > Wil Spencer VMSP, > Naturopath, author, researcher > Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working > with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective > tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. > > " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest > patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and > prevention of disease. " Thomas Edison > " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are > right. " Henry Ford > " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its > strength. " Corrie Ten Boom > " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen > and thinking what no one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel > Prize for Medicine 1937 > > http://mbsre- set.com > http://environotics .com > http://beeassist. com > > > > ________________________________ > > Kelly W.. > <kellykebby > > > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:05:04 PM > vegan > > > Oh my goodness those meals sound so healthy and tasty. I hope to put recipes on soon esp. of different salsas like mango salsa, etc. It is difficult to unlearn 40 years of eating, isn't it. My daughter is now a vegan. She has more courage than me I think. Any vegans here? Please send your advice. Thanks, Kel > --- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 2010 Hi, I am Lynn and I am kinda new to the group. I also had some of the same experiences with not eating any meat. I found that I felt terrible, but the minute I had only a little meat, I started to feel better. I now eat very little meat and mostly vegetables and whole grains but I also agree that totally not touching any meat is probably not what the human body was meant to deal with. I found all through life that anything that is 'all or nothing' is usually not good for you. For those who want to avoid the fat in meat, the choice of venison instead of beef is now a reality since more and more stores are carrying venison and very low fat bison meat. Today I am going to make a venison meatloaf in fact, so I think that a little meat is just fine so long as it's not the main focus of the meal. Having unhealthy meats such as 'lunch meat' is probably worth cutting out, but a little fresh organic or free range beef, chicken or game is probably more healthy than not. I think moderation and smart choices are the key here. It is possible though that for certain people, eating no meat at all will work out fine, yet for others it will not. It's like salt; for some people salt is no good and bothers them, and for others, they get sick when they don't have enough salt and sodium in their diets. All or nothing is never a good route to take imo. Thanks Lynn ohlyvicki <as-above Sent: Fri, 8 January, 2010 11:21:55 Re: vegan OMG, I can't believe what I am reading here......According to all the new studies coming out a plant based diet is the only healthy way to eat. You have to educate yourself and eat the right things ... Please read The China Study or Anti Cancer.... Meat is not healthy for us or dairy. sugar and processed foods... A diet with fruits, vegetables, whole grains, nuts, and legumes is healing and healthy..... You can get ALL the protien and amino acids you need from a vegan diet. For me it is not a moral choice , I wish to continue to live.....Please educate yourselves.. ..... Regards, Vicki , Wil Spencer <wilspencer@ ...> wrote:>> Generally low blood counts are related to the body's ability to convert the amino acids and minerals into life force.> Eating a diet high of insoluble fiber, which is virtually void of life force to any human leads to severe depletions. The main one in females is a hormone imbalance.> On a moral view I can agree it is an individual choice, but on a biological and electrical view of the body is a slow death sentence.> I speak from the view of a health care provider. In my clinic I have seen time and time again, how the moral choice of vegan/veggy mines the body of vital minerals and amino acid stores. I would beg you to do your research! I have seen so many people killing themselves because of the lack of knowledge of how the body works biologically and electrically, and I was one of them 16 years ago.> > Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher> Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA.> > "The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease." Thomas Edison> "Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right." Henry Ford> "Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength." Corrie Ten Boom> "Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought." Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 > > http://mbsre- set.com > http://environotics .com > http://beeassist. com > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> "ameliagerlach@ ..." <ameliagerlach@ ...>> > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:31:45 PM> RE: vegan> > > I think it’s an individual choice, in the sense that every> person responds differently, depending on their body. I do find that meat> stimulates autoimmunity in my body, but like I mentioned, I need a little to> keep my blood counts up.> Amelia> > > natural_ healing- > [natural_ healing-] On Behalf Of Wil Spencer> Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:29 PM> > Re: vegan> > > I was a vegan for 3 years> until my body started to fall apart. Which lead me down a very passionate> path on how the body works. My body took over 6 years to recover from a> three and a half year vegan life style. > Vegan/vegetarian life style is a moral choice not a biologically sound diet> choice.> > Wil Spencer VMSP,> Naturopath, author, researcher> Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working> with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective> tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA.> > "The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest> patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and> prevention of disease." Thomas Edison> "Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are> right." Henry Ford> "Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its> strength." Corrie Ten Boom> "Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen> and thinking what no one else has thought." Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel> Prize for Medicine 1937 > > http://mbsre- set.com > http://environotics .com > http://beeassist. com > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Kelly W..> <kellykebby>> > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:05:04 PM> vegan> > > Oh my goodness those meals sound so healthy and tasty. I hope to put recipes on soon esp. of different salsas like mango salsa, etc. It is difficult to unlearn 40 years of eating, isn't it. My daughter is now a vegan. She has more courage than me I think. Any vegans here? Please send your advice. Thanks, Kel> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 2010 Eating beans with rice replaces meat protein. On Behalf Of lynnzy Friday, January 08, 2010 12:59 PM Re: Re: vegan Hi, I am Lynn and I am kinda new to the group. I also had some of the same experiences with not eating any meat. I found that I felt terrible, but the minute I had only a little meat, I started to feel better. I now eat very little meat and mostly vegetables and whole grains but I also agree that totally not touching any meat is probably not what the human body was meant to deal with. I found all through life that anything that is 'all or nothing' is usually not good for you. For those who want to avoid the fat in meat, the choice of venison instead of beef is now a reality since more and more stores are carrying venison and very low fat bison meat. Today I am going to make a venison meatloaf in fact, so I think that a little meat is just fine so long as it's not the main focus of the meal. Having unhealthy meats such as 'lunch meat' is probably worth cutting out, but a little fresh organic or free range beef, chicken or game is probably more healthy than not. I think moderation and smart choices are the key here. It is possible though that for certain people, eating no meat at all will work out fine, yet for others it will not. It's like salt; for some people salt is no good and bothers them, and for others, they get sick when they don't have enough salt and sodium in their diets. All or nothing is never a good route to take imo. Thanks Lynn ohlyvicki <as-above Fri, 8 January, 2010 11:21:55 Re: vegan OMG, I can't believe what I am reading here......According to all the new studies coming out a plant based diet is the only healthy way to eat. You have to educate yourself and eat the right things .... Please read The China Study or Anti Cancer.... Meat is not healthy for us or dairy. sugar and processed foods... A diet with fruits, vegetables, whole grains, nuts, and legumes is healing and healthy..... You can get ALL the protien and amino acids you need from a vegan diet. For me it is not a moral choice , I wish to continue to live..... Please educate yourselves.. ..... Regards, Vicki , Wil Spencer <wilspencer@ ...> wrote: > > Generally low blood counts are related to the body's ability to convert the amino acids and minerals into life force. > Eating a diet high of insoluble fiber, which is virtually void of life force to any human leads to severe depletions. The main one in females is a hormone imbalance. > On a moral view I can agree it is an individual choice, but on a biological and electrical view of the body is a slow death sentence. > I speak from the view of a health care provider. In my clinic I have seen time and time again, how the moral choice of vegan/veggy mines the body of vital minerals and amino acid stores. I would beg you to do your research! I have seen so many people killing themselves because of the lack of knowledge of how the body works biologically and electrically, and I was one of them 16 years ago. > > Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher > Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. > > " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease. " Thomas Edison > " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right. " Henry Ford > " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength. " Corrie Ten Boom > " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 > > http://mbsre- set.com > http://environotics ..com > http://beeassist. com > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > " ameliagerlach@ ... " <ameliagerlach@ ...> > > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:31:45 PM > RE: vegan > > > I think it’s an individual choice, in the sense that every > person responds differently, depending on their body. I do find that meat > stimulates autoimmunity in my body, but like I mentioned, I need a little to > keep my blood counts up. > Amelia > > > natural_ healing- > [natural_ healing-] On Behalf Of Wil Spencer > Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:29 PM > > Re: vegan > > > I was a vegan for 3 years > until my body started to fall apart. Which lead me down a very passionate > path on how the body works. My body took over 6 years to recover from a > three and a half year vegan life style. > Vegan/vegetarian life style is a moral choice not a biologically sound diet > choice. > > Wil Spencer VMSP, > Naturopath, author, researcher > Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working > with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective > tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. > > " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest > patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and > prevention of disease. " Thomas Edison > " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are > right. " Henry Ford > " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its > strength. " Corrie Ten Boom > " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen > and thinking what no one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel > Prize for Medicine 1937 > > http://mbsre- set.com > http://environotics ..com > http://beeassist. com > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Kelly W.. > <kellykebby> > > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:05:04 PM > vegan > > > Oh my goodness those meals sound so healthy and tasty. I hope to put recipes on soon esp. of different salsas like mango salsa, etc. It is difficult to unlearn 40 years of eating, isn't it. My daughter is now a vegan. She has more courage than me I think. Any vegans here? Please send your advice. Thanks, Kel > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 2010 Beans and rice do have similar amino acids in them but they are not available to the human body, period. This concept is in theory correct, but in reality does not work with the biology of the human body. The other missing element is the fact that we as humans need certain amino acids and they can only be found and available to us from animal protein. Please go to Weston A Price web site, they have done an excellent job at gathering this information. You can read "Electrical Nutrition" by Denie Hiestand who has laid a very easy to understand foundation, also. I can say from my experience from a clinical view and my own personal experience the vegan/vegetarian choice is not a choice for biologically vibrant human health it is a moral choice. Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcherVibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA."The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease." Thomas Edison"Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right." Henry Ford"Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength." Corrie Ten Boom"Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought." Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 http://mbsre-set.com http://environotics.com http://beeassist.com "ameliagerlach" <ameliagerlach Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 1:17:46 PMRE: Re: vegan Eating beans with rice replaces meat protein. [natural_ healing-] On Behalf Of lynnzy Friday, January 08, 2010 12:59 PM Re: Re: vegan Hi, I am Lynn and I am kinda new to the group. I also had some of the same experiences with not eating any meat. I found that I felt terrible, but the minute I had only a little meat, I started to feel better. I now eat very little meat and mostly vegetables and whole grains but I also agree that totally not touching any meat is probably not what the human body was meant to deal with. I found all through life that anything that is 'all or nothing' is usually not good for you. For those who want to avoid the fat in meat, the choice of venison instead of beef is now a reality since more and more stores are carrying venison and very low fat bison meat. Today I am going to make a venison meatloaf in fact, so I think that a little meat is just fine so long as it's not the main focus of the meal. Having unhealthy meats such as 'lunch meat' is probably worth cutting out, but a little fresh organic or free range beef, chicken or game is probably more healthy than not. I think moderation and smart choices are the key here. It is possible though that for certain people, eating no meat at all will work out fine, yet for others it will not. It's like salt; for some people salt is no good and bothers them, and for others, they get sick when they don't have enough salt and sodium in their diets. All or nothing is never a good route to take imo. Thanks Lynn ohlyvicki <as-above (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> Fri, 8 January, 2010 11:21:55 Re: vegan OMG, I can't believe what I am reading here......According to all the new studies coming out a plant based diet is the only healthy way to eat. You have to educate yourself and eat the right things .... Please read The China Study or Anti Cancer.... Meat is not healthy for us or dairy. sugar and processed foods... A diet with fruits, vegetables, whole grains, nuts, and legumes is healing and healthy..... You can get ALL the protien and amino acids you need from a vegan diet. For me it is not a moral choice , I wish to continue to live..... Please educate yourselves.. ..... Regards, Vicki , Wil Spencer <wilspencer@ ...> wrote: > > Generally low blood counts are related to the body's ability to convert the amino acids and minerals into life force. > Eating a diet high of insoluble fiber, which is virtually void of life force to any human leads to severe depletions.. The main one in females is a hormone imbalance. > On a moral view I can agree it is an individual choice, but on a biological and electrical view of the body is a slow death sentence. > I speak from the view of a health care provider. In my clinic I have seen time and time again, how the moral choice of vegan/veggy mines the body of vital minerals and amino acid stores. I would beg you to do your research! I have seen so many people killing themselves because of the lack of knowledge of how the body works biologically and electrically, and I was one of them 16 years ago. > > Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher > Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. > > "The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease." Thomas Edison > "Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right." Henry Ford > "Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength.." Corrie Ten Boom > "Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought." Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 > > http://mbsre- set.com > http://environotics ..com > http://beeassist. com > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > "ameliagerlach@ ..." <ameliagerlach@ ...> > > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:31:45 PM > RE: vegan > > > I think it’s an individual choice, in the sense that every > person responds differently, depending on their body. I do find that meat > stimulates autoimmunity in my body, but like I mentioned, I need a little to > keep my blood counts up. > Amelia > > > natural_ healing- > [natural_ healing-] On Behalf Of Wil Spencer > Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:29 PM > > Re: vegan > > > I was a vegan for 3 years > until my body started to fall apart. Which lead me down a very passionate > path on how the body works. My body took over 6 years to recover from a > three and a half year vegan life style. > Vegan/vegetarian life style is a moral choice not a biologically sound diet > choice. > > Wil Spencer VMSP, > Naturopath, author, researcher > Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working > with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective > tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. > > "The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest > patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and > prevention of disease." Thomas Edison > "Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are > right." Henry Ford > "Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its > strength.." Corrie Ten Boom > "Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen > and thinking what no one else has thought." Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel > Prize for Medicine 1937 > > http://mbsre- set.com > http://environotics ..com > http://beeassist. com > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Kelly W.. > <kellykebby> > > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:05:04 PM > vegan > > > Oh my goodness those meals sound so healthy and tasty. I hope to put recipes on soon esp. of different salsas like mango salsa, etc. It is difficult to unlearn 40 years of eating, isn't it. My daughter is now a vegan. She has more courage than me I think. Any vegans here? Please send your advice. Thanks, Kel > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 2010 There are very conflicting opinions out there. You can find evidence supporting both sides. On Behalf Of Wil Spencer Friday, January 08, 2010 1:45 PM Re: Re: vegan Beans and rice do have similar amino acids in them but they are not available to the human body, period. This concept is in theory correct, but in reality does not work with the biology of the human body. The other missing element is the fact that we as humans need certain amino acids and they can only be found and available to us from animal protein. Please go to Weston A Price web site, they have done an excellent job at gathering this information. You can read " Electrical Nutrition " by Denie Hiestand who has laid a very easy to understand foundation, also. I can say from my experience from a clinical view and my own personal experience the vegan/vegetarian choice is not a choice for biologically vibrant human health it is a moral choice. Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease. " Thomas Edison " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right. " Henry Ford " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength. " Corrie Ten Boom " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 http://mbsre-set.com http://environotics.com http://beeassist.com " ameliagerlach " <ameliagerlach Fri, January 8, 2010 1:17:46 PM RE: Re: vegan Eating beans with rice replaces meat protein. [natural_ healing-] On Behalf Of lynnzy Friday, January 08, 2010 12:59 PM Re: Re: vegan Hi, I am Lynn and I am kinda new to the group. I also had some of the same experiences with not eating any meat. I found that I felt terrible, but the minute I had only a little meat, I started to feel better. I now eat very little meat and mostly vegetables and whole grains but I also agree that totally not touching any meat is probably not what the human body was meant to deal with. I found all through life that anything that is 'all or nothing' is usually not good for you. For those who want to avoid the fat in meat, the choice of venison instead of beef is now a reality since more and more stores are carrying venison and very low fat bison meat. Today I am going to make a venison meatloaf in fact, so I think that a little meat is just fine so long as it's not the main focus of the meal. Having unhealthy meats such as 'lunch meat' is probably worth cutting out, but a little fresh organic or free range beef, chicken or game is probably more healthy than not. I think moderation and smart choices are the key here. It is possible though that for certain people, eating no meat at all will work out fine, yet for others it will not. It's like salt; for some people salt is no good and bothers them, and for others, they get sick when they don't have enough salt and sodium in their diets. All or nothing is never a good route to take imo. Thanks Lynn ohlyvicki <as-above (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> Fri, 8 January, 2010 11:21:55 Re: vegan OMG, I can't believe what I am reading here......According to all the new studies coming out a plant based diet is the only healthy way to eat. You have to educate yourself and eat the right things ... Please read The China Study or Anti Cancer.... Meat is not healthy for us or dairy. sugar and processed foods... A diet with fruits, vegetables, whole grains, nuts, and legumes is healing and healthy..... You can get ALL the protien and amino acids you need from a vegan diet. For me it is not a moral choice , I wish to continue to live..... Please educate yourselves.. ..... Regards, Vicki , Wil Spencer <wilspencer@ ...> wrote: > > Generally low blood counts are related to the body's ability to convert the amino acids and minerals into life force. > Eating a diet high of insoluble fiber, which is virtually void of life force to any human leads to severe depletions.. The main one in females is a hormone imbalance. > On a moral view I can agree it is an individual choice, but on a biological and electrical view of the body is a slow death sentence. > I speak from the view of a health care provider. In my clinic I have seen time and time again, how the moral choice of vegan/veggy mines the body of vital minerals and amino acid stores. I would beg you to do your research! I have seen so many people killing themselves because of the lack of knowledge of how the body works biologically and electrically, and I was one of them 16 years ago. > > Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher > Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. > > " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease. " Thomas Edison > " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right. " Henry Ford > " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength.. " Corrie Ten Boom > " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 > > http://mbsre- set.com > http://environotics ..com > http://beeassist. com > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > " ameliagerlach@ ... " <ameliagerlach@ ...> > > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:31:45 PM > RE: vegan > > > I think it’s an individual choice, in the sense that every > person responds differently, depending on their body. I do find that meat > stimulates autoimmunity in my body, but like I mentioned, I need a little to > keep my blood counts up. > Amelia > > > natural_ healing- > [natural_ healing-] On Behalf Of Wil Spencer > Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:29 PM > > Re: vegan > > > I was a vegan for 3 years > until my body started to fall apart. Which lead me down a very passionate > path on how the body works. My body took over 6 years to recover from a > three and a half year vegan life style. > Vegan/vegetarian life style is a moral choice not a biologically sound diet > choice. > > Wil Spencer VMSP, > Naturopath, author, researcher > Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working > with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective > tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. > > " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest > patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and > prevention of disease. " Thomas Edison > " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are > right. " Henry Ford > " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its > strength.. " Corrie Ten Boom > " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen > and thinking what no one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel > Prize for Medicine 1937 > > http://mbsre- set.com > http://environotics ..com > http://beeassist. com > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Kelly W.. > <kellykebby> > > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:05:04 PM > vegan > > > Oh my goodness those meals sound so healthy and tasty. I hope to put recipes on soon esp. of different salsas like mango salsa, etc. It is difficult to unlearn 40 years of eating, isn't it. My daughter is now a vegan. She has more courage than me I think. Any vegans here? Please send your advice. Thanks, Kel > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 2010 Well, in the beginning they used to use raw calf liver in the Gerson Therapy. But this was removed and the therapy does continue to help people with all sorts of diseases. It seems to me that we just have to be foragers and this means vegetation, sometimes eggs, etc. Much of this dis-ease is from bowel disbiosis because we have to clean the good bacteria off the veggies. I think meat was made to eat only in emergencies. I can't come at this from an experienced perspective yet though. My daughter, as I said, is doing the vegan diet for health and moral reasons. I'll let you know how it goes for her. She was starting out with LOW iron anyway so I hope she doesn't get sick. Thank you everyone for posting. I need to hear everyone's experiences and viewpoints. Kel > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 2010 I know the Gerson Tharopy well. I have had several relative that have got rid of cancer that way. In my opinion, eating just a vegan/veggi diet is basically inducing a fast. When you put into the body what it can not be nourished with the body has to use its energy reserves to process. In the process of digesting the food that you get no or very little nourishment from the body consumes its own reserves to process the food. This in my mind is like fasting. So the body will consume the toxins first to in an attempt to survive. Then the cellulite and finally the soft tissue and the connective tissue. This is, in almost every case, what I have dealt with in the clinic with vegan/veggi diet minded people. Just go to a vegetarian/health food market or cafe' and sit and observe, like I have done for hundreds of hours. The body, if you know what to look for, will tell you what is missing in the diet with just observing. I have done this in an attempt to disprove the theory of, vegan/veggi as a good choice to health, which it is not.I would agree that animal protein in the general market is toxic and should not be eaten by any human. Just watch the movie "Food Inc.". But on a biological and electrical view of our body, we need to consume animal or fish protein to have vibrant health. I have spent years researching this very topic. You really need to look at who is behind the science studies. It is the pharmacutical and big agriculture. These studies are not carried out for our own benefit to human health, they are advanced marketing tools for big industry. One of my former clients and friend Dr. Michael Steffy of Queens University, a 40 year educator of Anthropology, has brought this interesting fact to my awareness. He has always stated, "just follow the money, you will find out the root idea of the study".Lets look at history for a moment. My father told me, the diet we see today that is concidered healthy was the diet in 1928 the government fed to the poor people on welfare, orphanages and in the prisons. Just look at who is behind the food pyramid you see today, it says United States Dept. of Agriculture, just like the food pyramid of 1928. Does not say anything about a health dept! USDA of today is about big business and big business only! Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcherVibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA."The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease." Thomas Edison"Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right." Henry Ford"Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength." Corrie Ten Boom"Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought." Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 http://mbsre-set.com http://environotics.com http://beeassist.com "ameliagerlach" <ameliagerlach Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 11:26:12 AMRE: Re: vegan I totally agree with Vicki. Look at what the Gerson Therapy has done for so many people with cancer, healing them in spite of their grim prognostics, by using a vegan diet. Amelia [natural_ healing-] On Behalf Of ohlyvicki Friday, January 08, 2010 11:22 AM Re: vegan OMG, I can't believe what I am reading here.....According to all the new studies coming out a plant based diet is the only healthy way to eat. You have to educate yourself and eat the right things .... Please read The China Study or Anti Cancer.... Meat is not healthy for us or dairy. sugar and processed foods... A diet with fruits, vegetables, whole grains, nuts, and legumes is healing and healthy..... You can get ALL the protien and amino acids you need from a vegan diet. For me it is not a moral choice , I wish to continue to live..... Please educate yourselves.. ..... Regards, Vicki , Wil Spencer <wilspencer@. ..> wrote: > > Generally low blood counts are related to the body's ability to convert the amino acids and minerals into life force. > Eating a diet high of insoluble fiber, which is virtually void of life force to any human leads to severe depletions. The main one in females is a hormone imbalance. > On a moral view I can agree it is an individual choice, but on a biological and electrical view of the body is a slow death sentence. > I speak from the view of a health care provider. In my clinic I have seen time and time again, how the moral choice of vegan/veggy mines the body of vital minerals and amino acid stores. I would beg you to do your research! I have seen so many people killing themselves because of the lack of knowledge of how the body works biologically and electrically, and I was one of them 16 years ago. > > Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher > Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. > > "The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease." Thomas Edison > "Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right." Henry Ford > "Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength." Corrie Ten Boom > "Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought." Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 > > http://mbsre- set.com > http://environotics .com > http://beeassist. com > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > "ameliagerlach@ ..." <ameliagerlach@ ...> > > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:31:45 PM > RE: vegan > > > I think it’s an individual choice, in the sense that every > person responds differently, depending on their body. I do find that meat > stimulates autoimmunity in my body, but like I mentioned, I need a little to > keep my blood counts up. > Amelia > > > natural_ healing- > [natural_ healing-] On Behalf Of Wil Spencer > Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:29 PM > > Re: vegan > > > I was a vegan for 3 years > until my body started to fall apart. Which lead me down a very passionate > path on how the body works. My body took over 6 years to recover from a > three and a half year vegan life style. > Vegan/vegetarian life style is a moral choice not a biologically sound diet > choice. > > Wil Spencer VMSP, > Naturopath, author, researcher > Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working > with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective > tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. > > "The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest > patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and > prevention of disease." Thomas Edison > "Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are > right." Henry Ford > "Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its > strength." Corrie Ten Boom > "Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen > and thinking what no one else has thought." Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel > Prize for Medicine 1937 > > http://mbsre- set.com > http://environotics .com > http://beeassist. com > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Kelly W.. > <kellykebby > > > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:05:04 PM > vegan > > > Oh my goodness those meals sound so healthy and tasty. I hope to put recipes on soon esp. of different salsas like mango salsa, etc. It is difficult to unlearn 40 years of eating, isn't it. My daughter is now a vegan. She has more courage than me I think. Any vegans here? Please send your advice. Thanks, Kel > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 2010 I know what you mean!!I have spend countless hour and years researching this very topic. Mainly to educate myself to reverse the first 24 years of my life of severe illness of obesity, very bad asthma, severe digestive disorders, severe candida overgrowth, over 70 allergies, chronic broncitus, infections from hell, excema and a few other things which I do not have any of them anymore. And do not have to take any of the medicines like I did when I was young.This has lead me to what I do now, helping and sharing with others how easy it is to get back to Vibrant Health!!! Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcherVibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA."The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease." Thomas Edison"Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right." Henry Ford"Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength." Corrie Ten Boom"Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought." Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 http://mbsre-set.com http://environotics.com http://beeassist.com "ameliagerlach" <ameliagerlach Sent: Fri, January 8, 2010 1:50:12 PMRE: Re: vegan There are very conflicting opinions out there. You can find evidence supporting both sides. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 2010 How do you figure that Big Pharma & Big Agriculture are the financial backers behind the studies indicating we should all become vegetarian/vegan? What would Big Pharm/Ag have to gain from a whole world of vegetarians, when the most money is made from meat? I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm truly interested in this topic. I recently stopped eating meat, almost exclusively for health reasons. I have IBS & cervical dysplasia (treated earlier this year with LEEP) and slowly reduced my meat intake until I gave it up altogether. I feel better than I ever have, although my IBS isn't completely gone (probably because I still eat dairy). What about those thriving vegans out there who claim to never get sick, exercise vigorously, and are healthy at every checkup? Surely the lifestyle works for some people if they do it right, even if it's detrimental for others? What is it you learn about what the body is missing in the diet from watching people in a health food store? Again, not being snarky, just curious... Ashley , Wil Spencer <wilspencer wrote: > > I know the Gerson Tharopy well. I have had several relative that have got rid of cancer that way. In my opinion, eating just a vegan/veggi diet is basically inducing a fast. When you put into the body what it can not be nourished with the body has to use its energy reserves to process. In the process of digesting the food that you get no or very little nourishment from the body consumes its own reserves to process the food. This in my mind is like fasting. So the body will consume the toxins first to in an attempt to survive. Then the cellulite and finally the soft tissue and the connective tissue. This is, in almost every case, what I have dealt with in the clinic with vegan/veggi diet minded people. Just go to a vegetarian/health food market or cafe' and sit and observe, like I have done for hundreds of hours. The body, if you know what to look for, will tell you what is missing in the diet with just observing. I have done this in an attempt > to disprove the theory of, vegan/veggi as a good choice to health, which it is not. > > I would agree that animal protein in the general market is toxic and should not be eaten by any human. Just watch the movie " Food Inc. " . But on a biological and electrical view of our body, we need to consume animal or fish protein to have vibrant health. I have spent years researching this very topic. You really need to look at who is behind the science studies. It is the pharmacutical and big agriculture. These studies are not carried out for our own benefit to human health, they are advanced marketing tools for big industry. One of my former clients and friend Dr. Michael Steffy of Queens University, a 40 year educator of Anthropology, has brought this interesting fact to my awareness. He has always stated, " just follow the money, you will find out the root idea of the study " . > > Lets look at history for a moment. My father told me, the diet we see today that is concidered healthy was the diet in 1928 the government fed to the poor people on welfare, orphanages and in the prisons. Just look at who is behind the food pyramid you see today, it says United States Dept. of Agriculture, just like the food pyramid of 1928. Does not say anything about a health dept! USDA of today is about big business and big business only! > > Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher > Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. > > " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease. " Thomas Edison > " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right. " Henry Ford > " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength. " Corrie Ten Boom > " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 > > http://mbsre-set.com > http://environotics.com > http://beeassist.com > > > > > > ________________________________ > " ameliagerlach " <ameliagerlach > > Fri, January 8, 2010 11:26:12 AM > RE: Re: vegan > > > I totally agree with Vicki. Look at what the Gerson Therapy has > done for so many people with cancer, healing them in spite of their grim > prognostics, by using a vegan diet. > Amelia > > > [natural_ healing-@ . com] On > Behalf Of ohlyvicki > Friday, January 08, 2010 11:22 AM > > Re: vegan > > > OMG, I can't believe what I am reading > here.....According to all the new studies coming out a plant based diet is the > only healthy way to eat. You have to educate yourself and eat the right things > ... Please read The China Study or Anti Cancer.... Meat is not healthy for us > or dairy. sugar and processed foods... A diet with fruits, vegetables, whole > grains, nuts, and legumes is healing and healthy..... You can get ALL the > protien and amino acids you need from a vegan diet. For me it is not a moral > choice , I wish to continue to live...... > Please educate yourselves.. ..... > Regards, Vicki > > , > Wil Spencer <wilspencer@ ..> wrote: > > > > Generally low blood counts are related to the body's ability to convert the > amino acids and minerals into life force. > > Eating a diet high of insoluble fiber, which is virtually void of life > force to any human leads to severe depletions. The main one in females is a > hormone imbalance. > > On a moral view I can agree it is an individual choice, but on a > biological and electrical view of the body is a slow death sentence. > > I speak from the view of a health care provider. In my clinic I have seen > time and time again, how the moral choice of vegan/veggy mines the body of > vital minerals and amino acid stores. I would beg you to do your research! I > have seen so many people killing themselves because of the lack of knowledge of > how the body works biologically and electrically, and I was one of them 16 > years ago. > > > > Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher > > Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's > electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve > sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. > > > > " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest > patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and > prevention of disease. " Thomas Edison > > " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right. " > Henry Ford > > " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its > strength. " Corrie Ten Boom > > " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and > thinking what no one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize > for Medicine 1937 > > > > http://mbsre- set.com > > http://environotics .com > > http://beeassist. com > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > " ameliagerlach@ ... " <ameliagerlach@ ...> > > > > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:31:45 PM > > RE: vegan > > > > > > I think it’s an individual choice, in the sense that every > > person responds differently, depending on their body. I do find that meat > > stimulates autoimmunity in my body, but like I mentioned, I need a little > to > > keep my blood counts up. > > Amelia > > > > > > natural_ healing- > > [natural_ healing-] On Behalf Of Wil Spencer > > Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:29 PM > > > > Re: vegan > > > > > > I was a vegan for 3 years > > until my body started to fall apart. Which lead me down a very passionate > > path on how the body works. My body took over 6 years to recover from a > > three and a half year vegan life style. > > Vegan/vegetarian life style is a moral choice not a biologically sound > diet > > choice. > > > > Wil Spencer VMSP, > > Naturopath, author, researcher > > Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working > > with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, > connective > > tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. > > > > " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest > > patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and > > prevention of disease. " Thomas Edison > > " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are > > right. " Henry Ford > > " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its > > strength. " Corrie Ten Boom > > " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen > > and thinking what no one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, > Nobel > > Prize for Medicine 1937 > > > > http://mbsre- set.com > > http://environotics .com > > http://beeassist. com > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Kelly W.. > > <kellykebby > > > > > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:05:04 PM > > vegan > > > > > > Oh my goodness those meals sound so healthy and tasty. I hope to put > recipes on soon esp. of different salsas like mango salsa, etc. It is difficult > to unlearn 40 years of eating, isn't it. My daughter is now a vegan. She has > more courage than me I think. Any vegans here? Please send your advice. Thanks, > Kel > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 2010 Look at Charlotte Gerson, who is I think 90 years old and in perfect health, still working! She is a vegan! On Behalf Of ashred25 Friday, January 08, 2010 3:01 PM Re: vegan How do you figure that Big Pharma & Big Agriculture are the financial backers behind the studies indicating we should all become vegetarian/vegan? What would Big Pharm/Ag have to gain from a whole world of vegetarians, when the most money is made from meat? I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm truly interested in this topic. I recently stopped eating meat, almost exclusively for health reasons. I have IBS & cervical dysplasia (treated earlier this year with LEEP) and slowly reduced my meat intake until I gave it up altogether. I feel better than I ever have, although my IBS isn't completely gone (probably because I still eat dairy). What about those thriving vegans out there who claim to never get sick, exercise vigorously, and are healthy at every checkup? Surely the lifestyle works for some people if they do it right, even if it's detrimental for others? What is it you learn about what the body is missing in the diet from watching people in a health food store? Again, not being snarky, just curious... Ashley , Wil Spencer <wilspencer wrote: > > I know the Gerson Tharopy well. I have had several relative that have got rid of cancer that way. In my opinion, eating just a vegan/veggi diet is basically inducing a fast. When you put into the body what it can not be nourished with the body has to use its energy reserves to process. In the process of digesting the food that you get no or very little nourishment from the body consumes its own reserves to process the food. This in my mind is like fasting. So the body will consume the toxins first to in an attempt to survive. Then the cellulite and finally the soft tissue and the connective tissue. This is, in almost every case, what I have dealt with in the clinic with vegan/veggi diet minded people. Just go to a vegetarian/health food market or cafe' and sit and observe, like I have done for hundreds of hours. The body, if you know what to look for, will tell you what is missing in the diet with just observing. I have done this in an attempt > to disprove the theory of, vegan/veggi as a good choice to health, which it is not. > > I would agree that animal protein in the general market is toxic and should not be eaten by any human. Just watch the movie " Food Inc. " . But on a biological and electrical view of our body, we need to consume animal or fish protein to have vibrant health. I have spent years researching this very topic. You really need to look at who is behind the science studies. It is the pharmacutical and big agriculture. These studies are not carried out for our own benefit to human health, they are advanced marketing tools for big industry. One of my former clients and friend Dr. Michael Steffy of Queens University, a 40 year educator of Anthropology, has brought this interesting fact to my awareness. He has always stated, " just follow the money, you will find out the root idea of the study " . > > Lets look at history for a moment. My father told me, the diet we see today that is concidered healthy was the diet in 1928 the government fed to the poor people on welfare, orphanages and in the prisons. Just look at who is behind the food pyramid you see today, it says United States Dept. of Agriculture, just like the food pyramid of 1928. Does not say anything about a health dept! USDA of today is about big business and big business only! > > Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher > Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. > > " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease. " Thomas Edison > " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right. " Henry Ford > " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength. " Corrie Ten Boom > " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 > > http://mbsre-set.com > http://environotics.com > http://beeassist.com > > > > > > ________________________________ > " ameliagerlach " <ameliagerlach > > Fri, January 8, 2010 11:26:12 AM > RE: Re: vegan > > > I totally agree with Vicki. Look at what the Gerson Therapy has > done for so many people with cancer, healing them in spite of their grim > prognostics, by using a vegan diet. > Amelia > > > [natural_ healing-@ . com] On > Behalf Of ohlyvicki > Friday, January 08, 2010 11:22 AM > > Re: vegan > > > OMG, I can't believe what I am reading > here.....According to all the new studies coming out a plant based diet is the > only healthy way to eat. You have to educate yourself and eat the right things > ... Please read The China Study or Anti Cancer.... Meat is not healthy for us > or dairy. sugar and processed foods... A diet with fruits, vegetables, whole > grains, nuts, and legumes is healing and healthy..... You can get ALL the > protien and amino acids you need from a vegan diet. For me it is not a moral > choice , I wish to continue to live...... > Please educate yourselves.. ..... > Regards, Vicki > > , > Wil Spencer <wilspencer@ ..> wrote: > > > > Generally low blood counts are related to the body's ability to convert the > amino acids and minerals into life force. > > Eating a diet high of insoluble fiber, which is virtually void of life > force to any human leads to severe depletions. The main one in females is a > hormone imbalance. > > On a moral view I can agree it is an individual choice, but on a > biological and electrical view of the body is a slow death sentence. > > I speak from the view of a health care provider. In my clinic I have seen > time and time again, how the moral choice of vegan/veggy mines the body of > vital minerals and amino acid stores. I would beg you to do your research! I > have seen so many people killing themselves because of the lack of knowledge of > how the body works biologically and electrically, and I was one of them 16 > years ago. > > > > Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher > > Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's > electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve > sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. > > > > " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest > patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and > prevention of disease. " Thomas Edison > > " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right. " > Henry Ford > > " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its > strength. " Corrie Ten Boom > > " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and > thinking what no one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize > for Medicine 1937 > > > > http://mbsre- set.com > > http://environotics .com > > http://beeassist. com > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > " ameliagerlach@ ... " <ameliagerlach@ ...> > > > > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:31:45 PM > > RE: vegan > > > > > > I think it’s an individual choice, in the sense that every > > person responds differently, depending on their body. I do find that meat > > stimulates autoimmunity in my body, but like I mentioned, I need a little > to > > keep my blood counts up. > > Amelia > > > > > > natural_ healing- > > [natural_ healing-] On Behalf Of Wil Spencer > > Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:29 PM > > > > Re: vegan > > > > > > I was a vegan for 3 years > > until my body started to fall apart. Which lead me down a very passionate > > path on how the body works. My body took over 6 years to recover from a > > three and a half year vegan life style. > > Vegan/vegetarian life style is a moral choice not a biologically sound > diet > > choice. > > > > Wil Spencer VMSP, > > Naturopath, author, researcher > > Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working > > with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, > connective > > tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. > > > > " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest > > patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and > > prevention of disease. " Thomas Edison > > " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are > > right. " Henry Ford > > " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its > > strength. " Corrie Ten Boom > > " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen > > and thinking what no one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, > Nobel > > Prize for Medicine 1937 > > > > http://mbsre- set.com > > http://environotics .com > > http://beeassist. com > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Kelly W.. > > <kellykebby > > > > > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:05:04 PM > > vegan > > > > > > Oh my goodness those meals sound so healthy and tasty. I hope to put > recipes on soon esp. of different salsas like mango salsa, etc. It is difficult > to unlearn 40 years of eating, isn't it. My daughter is now a vegan. She has > more courage than me I think. Any vegans here? Please send your advice. Thanks, > Kel > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 2010 Will, I would very much be interested in learning more about how you cured your illnesses, especially asthma, digestive, and allergies, all of which I continually suffer from. You can contact me directly if you like. Thanks, Ashley , Wil Spencer <wilspencer wrote: > > I know what you mean!! > I have spend countless hour and years researching this very topic. Mainly to educate myself to reverse the first 24 years of my life of severe illness of obesity, very bad asthma, severe digestive disorders, severe candida overgrowth, over 70 allergies, chronic broncitus, infections from hell, excema and a few other things which I do not have any of them anymore. And do not have to take any of the medicines like I did when I was young. > This has lead me to what I do now, helping and sharing with others how easy it is to get back to Vibrant Health!!! > > Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher > Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. > > " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease. " Thomas Edison > " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right. " Henry Ford > " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength. " Corrie Ten Boom > " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 > > http://mbsre-set.com > http://environotics.com > http://beeassist.com > > > > > > ________________________________ > " ameliagerlach " <ameliagerlach > > Fri, January 8, 2010 1:50:12 PM > RE: Re: vegan > > > There are very conflicting opinions out there. You can find > evidence supporting both sides. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 2010 I have noticed what you are talking about..... the sitting in the health food store cafe.... and looking around. If I didn't know better, I would say that we lived in the same city. I see the vegans too and they are most often pale, they have dark under their eyes and the worst thing is that they have no muscle tone anymore. The roundness and plumpness of the muscles is all gone along the colour in their skin, the shine in their hair and often the hair looks thinned too. I see that too. They almost look like they have the bodies of the alcoholics in that their muscles are long and thin with no form anymore, but they don't have the wrinkles that the alcohoics have though. I mention 'alcoholics' because a few years ago I moved to the Polish/Irish/German part of town in my city where the heavy drinkers have historically lived and I see that body type now that I've moved away from the artsy/ progressive area of my city ( can't afford that area anymore). I see that there is not much difference in their bodies where the muscle is concerned, but the vegans have slimmer waists and less wrinkles. They look a healthier of course than the alcoholics, but they are still quite frail looking. I do know the 'look'... I know what you mean. Wil Spencer <wilspencer Sent: Fri, 8 January, 2010 14:26:39Re: Re: vegan I know the Gerson Tharopy well. I have had several relative that have got rid of cancer that way. In my opinion, eating just a vegan/veggi diet is basically inducing a fast. When you put into the body what it can not be nourished with the body has to use its energy reserves to process. In the process of digesting the food that you get no or very little nourishment from the body consumes its own reserves to process the food. This in my mind is like fasting. So the body will consume the toxins first to in an attempt to survive. Then the cellulite and finally the soft tissue and the connective tissue. This is, in almost every case, what I have dealt with in the clinic with vegan/veggi diet minded people. Just go to a vegetarian/health food market or cafe' and sit and observe, like I have done for hundreds of hours. The body, if you know what to look for, will tell you what is missing in the diet with just observing. I have done this in an attempt to disprove the theory of, vegan/veggi as a good choice to health, which it is not.I would agree that animal protein in the general market is toxic and should not be eaten by any human. Just watch the movie "Food Inc.". But on a biological and electrical view of our body, we need to consume animal or fish protein to have vibrant health. I have spent years researching this very topic. You really need to look at who is behind the science studies. It is the pharmacutical and big agriculture. These studies are not carried out for our own benefit to human health, they are advanced marketing tools for big industry. One of my former clients and friend Dr. Michael Steffy of Queens University, a 40 year educator of Anthropology, has brought this interesting fact to my awareness. He has always stated, "just follow the money, you will find out the root idea of the study".Lets look at history for a moment. My father told me, the diet we see today that is concidered healthy was the diet in 1928 the government fed to the poor people on welfare, orphanages and in the prisons. Just look at who is behind the food pyramid you see today, it says United States Dept. of Agriculture, just like the food pyramid of 1928. Does not say anything about a health dept! USDA of today is about big business and big business only! Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcherVibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA."The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease." Thomas Edison"Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right." Henry Ford"Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength." Corrie Ten Boom"Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought." Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 http://mbsre- set.com http://environotics. com http://beeassist. com "ameliagerlach@ hotsheet. com" <ameliagerlach@ hotsheet. com> Fri, January 8, 2010 11:26:12 AMRE: Re: vegan I totally agree with Vicki. Look at what the Gerson Therapy has done for so many people with cancer, healing them in spite of their grim prognostics, by using a vegan diet. Amelia [natural_ healing-] On Behalf Of ohlyvickiFriday, January 08, 2010 11:22 AM Re: vegan OMG, I can't believe what I am reading here.....According to all the new studies coming out a plant based diet is the only healthy way to eat. You have to educate yourself and eat the right things ... Please read The China Study or Anti Cancer.... Meat is not healthy for us or dairy. sugar and processed foods.... A diet with fruits, vegetables, whole grains, nuts, and legumes is healing and healthy..... You can get ALL the protien and amino acids you need from a vegan diet. For me it is not a moral choice , I wish to continue to live.....Please educate yourselves.. ..... Regards, Vicki , Wil Spencer <wilspencer@. ..> wrote:>> Generally low blood counts are related to the body's ability to convert the amino acids and minerals into life force.> Eating a diet high of insoluble fiber, which is virtually void of life force to any human leads to severe depletions. The main one in females is a hormone imbalance.> On a moral view I can agree it is an individual choice, but on a biological and electrical view of the body is a slow death sentence.> I speak from the view of a health care provider. In my clinic I have seen time and time again, how the moral choice of vegan/veggy mines the body of vital minerals and amino acid stores. I would beg you to do your research! I have seen so many people killing themselves because of the lack of knowledge of how the body works biologically and electrically, and I was one of them 16 years ago.> > Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher> Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA.> > "The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease." Thomas Edison> "Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right." Henry Ford> "Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength." Corrie Ten Boom> "Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought." Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 > > http://mbsre- set.com > http://environotics .com > http://beeassist. com > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> "ameliagerlach@ ..." <ameliagerlach@ ...>> > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:31:45 PM> RE: vegan> > > I think it’s an individual choice, in the sense that every> person responds differently, depending on their body. I do find that meat> stimulates autoimmunity in my body, but like I mentioned, I need a little to> keep my blood counts up.> Amelia> > > natural_ healing- > [natural_ healing-] On Behalf Of Wil Spencer> Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:29 PM> > Re: vegan> > > I was a vegan for 3 years> until my body started to fall apart. Which lead me down a very passionate> path on how the body works. My body took over 6 years to recover from a> three and a half year vegan life style. > Vegan/vegetarian life style is a moral choice not a biologically sound diet> choice.> > Wil Spencer VMSP,> Naturopath, author, researcher> Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working> with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective> tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA.> > "The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest> patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and> prevention of disease." Thomas Edison> "Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are> right." Henry Ford> "Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its> strength." Corrie Ten Boom> "Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen> and thinking what no one else has thought." Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel> Prize for Medicine 1937 > > http://mbsre- set.com > http://environotics .com > http://beeassist. com > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Kelly W..> <kellykebby >> > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:05:04 PM> vegan> > > Oh my goodness those meals sound so healthy and tasty. I hope to put recipes on soon esp. of different salsas like mango salsa, etc. It is difficult to unlearn 40 years of eating, isn't it. My daughter is now a vegan. She has more courage than me I think. Any vegans here? Please send your advice. Thanks, Kel> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 2010 I’ve seen plenty of meat-eaters who look terrible too! Overweight, bloated, etc. On Behalf Of lynnzy Friday, January 08, 2010 4:32 PM Re: Re: vegan I have noticed what you are talking about..... the sitting in the health food store cafe.... and looking around. If I didn't know better, I would say that we lived in the same city. I see the vegans too and they are most often pale, they have dark under their eyes and the worst thing is that they have no muscle tone anymore. The roundness and plumpness of the muscles is all gone along the colour in their skin, the shine in their hair and often the hair looks thinned too. I see that too. They almost look like they have the bodies of the alcoholics in that their muscles are long and thin with no form anymore, but they don't have the wrinkles that the alcohoics have though. I mention 'alcoholics' because a few years ago I moved to the Polish/Irish/German part of town in my city where the heavy drinkers have historically lived and I see that body type now that I've moved away from the artsy/ progressive area of my city ( can't afford that area anymore). I see that there is not much difference in their bodies where the muscle is concerned, but the vegans have slimmer waists and less wrinkles. They look a healthier of course than the alcoholics, but they are still quite frail looking. I do know the 'look'... I know what you mean. Wil Spencer <wilspencer Fri, 8 January, 2010 14:26:39 Re: Re: vegan I know the Gerson Tharopy well. I have had several relative that have got rid of cancer that way. In my opinion, eating just a vegan/veggi diet is basically inducing a fast. When you put into the body what it can not be nourished with the body has to use its energy reserves to process. In the process of digesting the food that you get no or very little nourishment from the body consumes its own reserves to process the food. This in my mind is like fasting. So the body will consume the toxins first to in an attempt to survive. Then the cellulite and finally the soft tissue and the connective tissue. This is, in almost every case, what I have dealt with in the clinic with vegan/veggi diet minded people. Just go to a vegetarian/health food market or cafe' and sit and observe, like I have done for hundreds of hours. The body, if you know what to look for, will tell you what is missing in the diet with just observing. I have done this in an attempt to disprove the theory of, vegan/veggi as a good choice to health, which it is not. I would agree that animal protein in the general market is toxic and should not be eaten by any human. Just watch the movie " Food Inc. " . But on a biological and electrical view of our body, we need to consume animal or fish protein to have vibrant health. I have spent years researching this very topic. You really need to look at who is behind the science studies. It is the pharmacutical and big agriculture. These studies are not carried out for our own benefit to human health, they are advanced marketing tools for big industry. One of my former clients and friend Dr. Michael Steffy of Queens University, a 40 year educator of Anthropology, has brought this interesting fact to my awareness. He has always stated, " just follow the money, you will find out the root idea of the study " . Lets look at history for a moment. My father told me, the diet we see today that is concidered healthy was the diet in 1928 the government fed to the poor people on welfare, orphanages and in the prisons. Just look at who is behind the food pyramid you see today, it says United States Dept. of Agriculture, just like the food pyramid of 1928. Does not say anything about a health dept! USDA of today is about big business and big business only! Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease. " Thomas Edison " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right. " Henry Ford " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength. " Corrie Ten Boom " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 http://mbsre- set.com http://environotics. com http://beeassist. com " ameliagerlach@ hotsheet. com " <ameliagerlach@ hotsheet. com> Fri, January 8, 2010 11:26:12 AM RE: Re: vegan I totally agree with Vicki. Look at what the Gerson Therapy has done for so many people with cancer, healing them in spite of their grim prognostics, by using a vegan diet. Amelia [natural_ healing-] On Behalf Of ohlyvicki Friday, January 08, 2010 11:22 AM Re: vegan OMG, I can't believe what I am reading here.....According to all the new studies coming out a plant based diet is the only healthy way to eat. You have to educate yourself and eat the right things ... Please read The China Study or Anti Cancer.... Meat is not healthy for us or dairy. sugar and processed foods.... A diet with fruits, vegetables, whole grains, nuts, and legumes is healing and healthy..... You can get ALL the protien and amino acids you need from a vegan diet. For me it is not a moral choice , I wish to continue to live..... Please educate yourselves.. ..... Regards, Vicki , Wil Spencer <wilspencer@. ..> wrote: > > Generally low blood counts are related to the body's ability to convert the amino acids and minerals into life force. > Eating a diet high of insoluble fiber, which is virtually void of life force to any human leads to severe depletions. The main one in females is a hormone imbalance. > On a moral view I can agree it is an individual choice, but on a biological and electrical view of the body is a slow death sentence. > I speak from the view of a health care provider. In my clinic I have seen time and time again, how the moral choice of vegan/veggy mines the body of vital minerals and amino acid stores. I would beg you to do your research! I have seen so many people killing themselves because of the lack of knowledge of how the body works biologically and electrically, and I was one of them 16 years ago. > > Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher > Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. > > " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and prevention of disease. " Thomas Edison > " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right. " Henry Ford > " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its strength. " Corrie Ten Boom > " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel Prize for Medicine 1937 > > http://mbsre- set.com > http://environotics ..com > http://beeassist. com > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > " ameliagerlach@ ... " <ameliagerlach@ ...> > > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:31:45 PM > RE: vegan > > > I think it’s an individual choice, in the sense that every > person responds differently, depending on their body. I do find that meat > stimulates autoimmunity in my body, but like I mentioned, I need a little to > keep my blood counts up. > Amelia > > > natural_ healing- > [natural_ healing-] On Behalf Of Wil Spencer > Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:29 PM > > Re: vegan > > > I was a vegan for 3 years > until my body started to fall apart. Which lead me down a very passionate > path on how the body works. My body took over 6 years to recover from a > three and a half year vegan life style. > Vegan/vegetarian life style is a moral choice not a biologically sound diet > choice. > > Wil Spencer VMSP, > Naturopath, author, researcher > Vibrational Medical Science Practitioner; working > with the body's electrical system which consists of all muscles, connective > tissue,nerve sheaths, rod and cone cells of the eyes and the DNA. > > " The doctor of the future will give no medicines, but will interest > patients in the care of the human frame, in diet and in the cause and > prevention of disease. " Thomas Edison > " Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are > right. " Henry Ford > " Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow. It empties today of its > strength. " Corrie Ten Boom > " Discovery consists of seeing what everyone else has seen > and thinking what no one else has thought. " Albert Szent-Gyvrgyi, Nobel > Prize for Medicine 1937 > > http://mbsre- set.com > http://environotics ..com > http://beeassist. com > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Kelly W.. > <kellykebby > > > Thu, January 7, 2010 12:05:04 PM > vegan > > > Oh my goodness those meals sound so healthy and tasty. I hope to put recipes on soon esp. of different salsas like mango salsa, etc. It is difficult to unlearn 40 years of eating, isn't it. My daughter is now a vegan. She has more courage than me I think. Any vegans here? Please send your advice. Thanks, Kel > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
