Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 herbal remedies, lgear95485@a... wrote: > A friend of mine was just told she has this. Is there anything that she can > take to help her? thanks > > Laura Laura, Lymes is one of the most wide spread and difficult to cure bacterial infections. The disease can be life threatening and is very difficult to deal with when it becomes a chronic infection. When was she diagnosed and how long had she had symptoms (does she believe that she knows exactly when she was infected)? How are her joints and lymph glands? Any paralysis or numbness? How about rashes? Headaches? Vision and hearing? There are so many symptoms, so many areas that the disease can attack. She should also be aware that there are several co-infections that often accompany lymes (bacterial and parasitic). One must not assume that every symptom you have during a lymes infection is related to the borreallis. I have some information in allopathic areas of treatment that are perhaps not pertinent to this board.). If she desides to go the anti-biotic route (such as doxycyclene or the like) feel free to contact me by e-mail. As far as the board goes, even on anti-biotics, there are many options to support the body herbaly and nutritionaly during such a crisis. I would advise her to self educate, unlike a case of strep throat, one needs to be very pro-active in their treatment descisions (so much is being learned so rapidly, what may have been considered appropriate treatment 6 months ago is no longer the case). Too many people have found this out too late. Best wishes and prayers, Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 Dear Laura, The Total Body Cleanse Program as found in the files should handle it for her. She needs to get on to heavy doses of Garlic right away. She should also be on Echinacea and Cayenne as well. Do you know what stage of Lyme she is now in??? If she has reached the arthritic stage then other things would need to be done as well from an emergency viewpoint. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - lgear95485 herbal remedies Saturday, June 01, 2002 8:18 PM [herbal remedies] lyme disease A friend of mine was just told she has this. Is there anything that she can take to help her? thanksLaura"No matter how little money and how few possessions you own,having a rescued dog makes you rich." -Louis SabinFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 Doc she is in stage 1. They caught it really early. She was infected maybe a month or less ago and dealt with symptoms maybe a week then she went to the ER. They have her on a strong Antibiotic. I'll forward your message to her and I'll copy that total body cleanse for her. thanks for the help Laura "No matter how little money and how few possessions you own,having a rescued dog makes you rich." -Louis Sabin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 Doc thanks for your kind offer. I have forwarded all the messages I've received and I've forwarded the total body cleanse. I have emailed her then and told her to check into all of this and hopefully catching it early she will be able to beat it. Thanks again and I'll forward this on to her as well. Laura "No matter how little money and how few possessions you own,having a rescued dog makes you rich." -Louis Sabin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 Sherry thanks I'll forward that to her. Laura "No matter how little money and how few possessions you own,having a rescued dog makes you rich." -Louis Sabin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 You're welcome hon. She is always welcome to call me, or send me an e-mail to request my recent lecture. This would help to educate her in natural healing so that she could take full responsibility for the condition herself. It is not difficult to handle IIIIFFFF it is attacked aggressively in the early stages. But the condition must be handled very aggressively and a program should be started immediately. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - lgear95485 herbal remedies Sunday, June 02, 2002 8:20 AM Re: [herbal remedies] lyme disease Doc she is in stage 1. They caught it really early. She was infected maybe a month or less ago and dealt with symptoms maybe a week then she went to the ER. They have her on a strong Antibiotic. I'll forward your message to her and I'll copy that total body cleanse for her. thanks for the helpLaura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 My bernese puppy was diagnosed with lymes last year - would barely walk he felt so bad.......and I dosed him two times with the homeopathic remedy Ledum LM - that is ALL I did......and he got better....that has been my only experience with lymes. He was diagnosed from my vet. Sherry A friend of mine was just told she has this. Is there anything that she can take to help her? thanks Laura " No matter how little money and how few possessions you own,having a rescued dog makes you rich. " -Louis Sabin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2002 Report Share Posted November 24, 2002 Sorry, Linda, Lyme Disease is in Florida, I moved to PA from there just over a year ago and was diagnosed just before we left. Hope you are on some Lyme newsgroups, and I would also be interested in the answer, one of the reasons I joined was I am up to 15 meds and none are for Lyme, most for other chronic illnesses but I will save that for another email. If this is addressed in one of the files, please direct me there, I have severe cognitive problems and did read all the emails sent me when I joined but that was about my limit. Thanks, Michele P.S. Linda or Doc, if you would like to backchannel me with the info or to talk Linda, my personal email is: mtownsend29 - ballentinecreate Sunday, November 24, 2002 4:15 PM I live here in Florida and Lyme Disease isn't relative to this area. Can someone tell me if there is some natural way of dealing with this if someone has it?Thanks,Linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2003 Report Share Posted January 14, 2003 Hi Katrina - I just put lyme disease into the seach and came up with hundreds, here are just 3. http://www.lymenet.org/ http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/lyme/ http://ads.yourfreedvds.com/creatives/popunders/monsterspu_3_176.html Marianne Hey everyone, Does anyone have information on Lyme Disease? I've looked at healthy.net and doctoryourself.com and haven't come up with much so far. Thanks! Katrina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2003 Report Share Posted January 14, 2003 'Prescription for Nutritional Healing', 2000, has a section on lyme disease, p 496. I can give you some of their recommendations if your interested. Blake - " Katrina Rose " <wllng2fght Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:36 AM lyme disease > Hey everyone, > > Does anyone have information on Lyme Disease? I've > looked at healthy.net and doctoryourself.com and > haven't come up with much so far. > > Thanks! > > Katrina > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus. > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health and well being. > > list or archives: Gettingwell > > ........ Gettingwell- > post............. Gettingwell > digest form...... Gettingwell-digest > individual emails Gettingwell-normal > no email......... Gettingwell-nomail > moderator ....... Gettingwell-owner > ...... Gettingwell- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 No,sure have'nt,do you have any info on it? Thank's - creativesources Monday, September 20, 2004 2:22 PM Lyme Disease Have you read about colloidal silver being used?? Just me... Jan ======================= On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 13:10:47 -0600 "Shirley" <docwhite writes: Anyone out there with knowledge of this disease and what to do naturally to help? Thank's Shirley«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§ - PULSE ON WORLD HEALTH CONSPIRACIES! §Subscribe:......... - To :.... - Any information here in is for educational purpose only, it may be news related, purely speculation or someone's opinion. Always consult with a qualified health practitioner before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses.**COPYRIGHT NOTICE**In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107,any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 There is a homeopathic site that promises the book they sell will tell me how to cure it in 72 hours but I'm really wanting to find out what to do now. I've had lyme's disease twice and, as far as I know, the only tick you can get it from is the deer tick which is sooo incredibly small you can hardly see it. Because later it can develop into such serious problems, I went the antibiotic route. If you find out a natural way of curing it I'd love to know about it. I would first get a blood test and see if it tests positive for lyme's. It's really the only way to know for sure if you have it. I would also monitor it with blood tests if I went the natural route. The worst symptoms of lyme's disease can lay dormant and develop long after you think it's not there anymore. I know of too many people who are totally incapacitated a few years after having unchecked Lyme's disease in their system. Gloria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Hi: Garlic is good for this, it is a natural antibiotic, goldenseal, (do not take goldenseal for more than ten days, this is another natural antibiotic) kelp and zinc. Alfalfa, dandelion root, horsetail (shave grass). Also redclover (blood cleanser) Start treatment now, or other symptoms or illnesses will start to develope. Wishing you good health, Meganfeathermoon2000 <the14th_moon wrote: Hi I was bitten by a tick on Tuesday. It's looking a lot like it might be a lyme disease bite. It's swollen, circular and itches and the circle is getting bigger...It's also very red and tender and it has a very pronounced bite site. My husband is positive that he got all the parts out and having pets and living in the country we've all had a tick or two latch on but I've never had this sort of reaction before. We live in the Sierra foothills where the disease is but we never hear about anyone getting it. There is a homeopathic site that promises the book they sell will tell me how to cure it in 72 hours but I'm really wanting to find out what to do now. Another site says antibiotics are the only way to go. Can anyone here help me? peace and joyjulie Find your next car at Canada Autos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 At 07:20 PM 13/01/2006 -0500, you wrote: : There is a homeopathic site that promises the book they sell will tell me how to cure it in 72 hours but I'm really wanting to find out what to do now. I've yet to find one scientific study or clinical trial that concludes that homeopathy works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 I have read that it does - Elson Haas, and Kevin Trudeau and others I have read talked about that. I have a sister-in-law that has it and isn't open to ideas like this but I thought of her when I read it. I did the fasting for menopause starting up and endometriosis that just came on suddenly. It was childbirth pain for a week on end and unbearable, it has reduced to a couple of days and I know it will stop = the fasting is helping all areas of my body heal. Keep reading on the internet. Lots of sites with recipes, methods and information that support this. Karen , " Faye Schwartz " <pxg2001 wrote: > > Has anyone in this group ever found that fasting helped him or her > with Lyme Disease? > > Thank you. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Dear Marti, I am sorry I don't know of any official treatments - even alternative. But my one experience is that you need to make sure that it is Lyme Disease. A friend of mine was diagnosed with Lyme disease, ended up being colon cancer. But it went undiagnoised as such for 6 months. If it had been diagnosed earlier he may still be alive. He was in his 50, left a wife, and 2 teenage daughters. That said: This is a case where you do use antibiotics. Use everything you can. You didn't say what the symptoms are ... that would indicate what you might do. If the have been tested, and verified ... try massage and acupuncture. I am a Thai Yoga Massage Therapist. And I can say that I have never treated someone with Lyme disease, so I can't say what this kind of massage may do. Though, from what I have studied, (it is prevalent here in my neck of the back woods)because I have been bitten by so many ticks, my kids too, and parents and grandparents and friends .... I know that Lyme disease creates joint pain, which may respond to massage or yoga. Try shiatsu. I would think anything that helps work with the joints, Glucosamine (?) maybe .... but really I am shooting in the dark, and everyone is so different, in what works for each person. And perhaps anything that helps the body move the " toxins " out. TCM So, to repeat, if they have not had the actual test ... have them get it. As it could be something else. In my friends case .... it was really so sad. And such a little thing, that meant knowing for sure ... or being 80% right. All the best, Terra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Teri - I have recovered from Lyme Disease and consider myself very, very healthy today. I used only an alternative approach. I had an amazing holistically-minded doctor here to help guide me, but I think it also involved being awakened to all that I could do for my own body/mind/spirit, too. It's also part of what made me so passionate about taking back control of your health. I'd be more than happy to talk more with your client about my personal experience and the kinds of things I did if she/he wants to contact me. You can find an e-mail and phone number at my site, which always is listed with my signature. Cindy Cindy Kirchhoff http://LivinginRhyme.com Reclaim your power and your passion for life; Reclaim your health , " TC " <tgrisler wrote: > > Does anyone have any information about Lyme disease? A good website > or/and alternative ways to cope and to be well from this disease? A > client of mine got bit here in Calif this past may and has been > diagnosed with Lyme. Here in Calif there are not many medical doctors > who have much experience with how to treat it. > > I would appreciate any info or help from anyone. > > Thank you, > > Teri Grisler, CMT > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 i had lyme disease about 8 years ago,the one thing that helped the most was colliadial silver, randy RWIT56 --- On Wed, 7/23/08, TC <tgrisler wrote: TC <tgrisler Lyme Disease Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 3:22 PM Does anyone have any information about Lyme disease? A good website or/and alternative ways to cope and to be well from this disease? A client of mine got bit here in Calif this past may and has been diagnosed with Lyme. Here in Calif there are not many medical doctors who have much experience with how to treat it. I would appreciate any info or help from anyone. Thank you, Teri Grisler, CMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 I used a book entitled ‘Healing Lyme’ that had a great explanation of the disease, coinfections, and effective herbal therapies. (Spiroketes are fascinating organisms!) Blessings to all, Ray On Behalf Of Kelly W. Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:28 AM Lyme disease We have a new person who is fighting lyme disease. Lyme disease is an interesting problem. It is only recently that doctors have realized that bacteria and micobacteria are responsible for things like this. Doctors seem unable to fathom what they can't see, and that includes candida. I do know of a woman who did take the antibiotic protocol offered by the doctors and got her life back from lyme disease. Naturally, I am not sure how to fight lyme disease other than to arm yourself with beneficial bacteria and drink pau d'arco and eat foods which are antibacterial, but I will help you look online for resources and testimonials regarding beating lyme disease the natural way. Welcome to the group! Kelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Well Thank you Kelly, I've tried many things and can probably share much with the group too. I'm a notch better than I was say six months ago, but of course that never seems good enough when you're dealing with neurological Lyme. I started out with terrible viral meningitis back in the summer of 2005, where I spent most of my days in bed writhing in pain. So I've come along way since then, but it still remains disheartening though I've seen some dramatic improvement in my health lately. Trying to remain optimistic and happy, john d Kelly W. wrote: We have a new person who is fighting lyme disease. Lyme disease is an interesting problem. It is only recently that doctors have realized that bacteria and micobacteria are responsible for things like this. Doctors seem unable to fathom what they can't see, and that includes candida. I do know of a woman who did take the antibiotic protocol offered by the doctors and got her life back from lyme disease. Naturally, I am not sure how to fight lyme disease other than to arm yourself with beneficial bacteria and drink pau d'arco and eat foods which are antibacterial, but I will help you look online for resources and testimonials regarding beating lyme disease the natural way. Welcome to the group! Kelly -- Visit my new group on healing cancer and disease in general http://health.Answer2Cancer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 I'm sorry that you had to go through that, but glad you are better. Kel --- On Wed, 1/28/09, John <truthsleuth wrote: John <truthsleuthRe: Lyme disease Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 6:00 PM Well Thank you Kelly,I've tried many things and can probably share much with the group too. I'm a notch better than I was say six months ago, but of course that never seems good enough when you're dealing with neurological Lyme. I started out with terrible viral meningitis back in the summer of 2005, where I spent most of my days in bed writhing in pain. So I've come along way since then, but it still remains disheartening though I've seen some dramatic improvement in my health lately. Trying to remain optimistic and happy,john dKelly W. wrote: We have a new person who is fighting lyme disease. Lyme disease is an interesting problem. It is only recently that doctors have realized that bacteria and micobacteria are responsible for things like this. Doctors seem unable to fathom what they can't see, and that includes candida. I do know of a woman who did take the antibiotic protocol offered by the doctors and got her life back from lyme disease. Naturally, I am not sure how to fight lyme disease other than to arm yourself with beneficial bacteria and drink pau d'arco and eat foods which are antibacterial, but I will help you look online for resources and testimonials regarding beating lyme disease the natural way. Welcome to the group! Kelly-- Visit my new group on healing cancer and disease in general http://health.Answer2Cancer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Silver is good for anything bacterial. Bacteria can not live in the presence of silver. Brenda On Behalf Of Kelly W. Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:06 PM Re: Lyme disease I'm sorry that you had to go through that, but glad you are better. Kel --- On Wed, 1/28/09, John <truthsleuth wrote: John <truthsleuth Re: Lyme disease Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 6:00 PM Well Thank you Kelly, I've tried many things and can probably share much with the group too. I'm a notch better than I was say six months ago, but of course that never seems good enough when you're dealing with neurological Lyme. I started out with terrible viral meningitis back in the summer of 2005, where I spent most of my days in bed writhing in pain. So I've come along way since then, but it still remains disheartening though I've seen some dramatic improvement in my health lately. Trying to remain optimistic and happy, john d Kelly W. wrote: We have a new person who is fighting lyme disease. Lyme disease is an interesting problem. It is only recently that doctors have realized that bacteria and micobacteria are responsible for things like this. Doctors seem unable to fathom what they can't see, and that includes candida. I do know of a woman who did take the antibiotic protocol offered by the doctors and got her life back from lyme disease. Naturally, I am not sure how to fight lyme disease other than to arm yourself with beneficial bacteria and drink pau d'arco and eat foods which are antibacterial, but I will help you look online for resources and testimonials regarding beating lyme disease the natural way. Welcome to the group! Kelly -- Visit my new group on healing cancer and disease in general http://health.Answer2Cancer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Hello Ray, That book sounds worth checking out. Do you happen to have the author's name too? Amen to that too (below)! (Spiroketes are fascinating organisms!) Thanks, john d Ray Walters wrote: I used a book entitled ‘Healing Lyme’ that had a great explanation of the disease, coinfections, and effective herbal therapies. (Spiroketes are fascinating organisms!) Blessings to all, Ray On Behalf Of Kelly W. Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:28 AM Lyme disease We have a new person who is fighting lyme disease. Lyme disease is an interesting problem. It is only recently that doctors have realized that bacteria and micobacteria are responsible for things like this. Doctors seem unable to fathom what they can't see, and that includes candida. I do know of a woman who did take the antibiotic protocol offered by the doctors and got her life back from lyme disease. Naturally, I am not sure how to fight lyme disease other than to arm yourself with beneficial bacteria and drink pau d'arco and eat foods which are antibacterial, but I will help you look online for resources and testimonials regarding beating lyme disease the natural way. Welcome to the group! Kelly -- Visit my new group on healing cancer and disease in general http://health.Answer2Cancer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Don't people turn blue when they consume too much colloidal silver ? --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Brenda <bellfas wrote: Brenda <bellfasRE: Lyme disease Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 6:16 PM Silver is good for anything bacterial. Bacteria can not live in the presence of silver. Brenda [natural_ healing-] On Behalf Of Kelly W.Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:06 PM Re: Lyme disease I'm sorry that you had to go through that, but glad you are better. Kel --- On Wed, 1/28/09, John <truthsleuth@ comcast.net> wrote: John <truthsleuth@ comcast.net>Re: Lyme disease Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 6:00 PM Well Thank you Kelly,I've tried many things and can probably share much with the group too. I'm a notch better than I was say six months ago, but of course that never seems good enough when you're dealing with neurological Lyme. I started out with terrible viral meningitis back in the summer of 2005, where I spent most of my days in bed writhing in pain. So I've come along way since then, but it still remains disheartening though I've seen some dramatic improvement in my health lately. Trying to remain optimistic and happy,john dKelly W. wrote: We have a new person who is fighting lyme disease. Lyme disease is an interesting problem. It is only recently that doctors have realized that bacteria and micobacteria are responsible for things like this. Doctors seem unable to fathom what they can't see, and that includes candida. I do know of a woman who did take the antibiotic protocol offered by the doctors and got her life back from lyme disease. Naturally, I am not sure how to fight lyme disease other than to arm yourself with beneficial bacteria and drink pau d'arco and eat foods which are antibacterial, but I will help you look online for resources and testimonials regarding beating lyme disease the natural way. Welcome to the group! Kelly -- Visit my new group on healing cancer and disease in general http://health. groups.. com Answer2Cancer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Hi Kelly,The author of "Healing Lyme' is Stephen Buhner a master herbalist. He has a whole protocol for treating lyme and its coinfections. Me and my daughter used his protocol when we first started treating ourselves.We also have used salt/c and MMS. Two other excellent protocols for killing lyme and co. But remember, if you do not detox the toxins out as you kill you will not get better!Best of Luck!SusanOn Jan 28, 2009, at 6:24 PM, John wrote: Hello Ray, That book sounds worth checking out. Do you happen to have the author's name too? Amen to that too (below)! (Spiroketes are fascinating organisms!) Thanks, john d Ray Walters wrote: I used a book entitled ‘Healing Lyme’ that had a great explanation of the disease, coinfections, and effective herbal therapies. (Spiroketes are fascinating organisms!) Blessings to all,Ray On Behalf Of Kelly W. Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:28 AM Lyme disease We have a new person who is fighting lyme disease. Lyme disease is an interesting problem. It is only recently that doctors have realized that bacteria and micobacteria are responsible for things like this. Doctors seem unable to fathom what they can't see, and that includes candida. I do know of a woman who did take the antibiotic protocol offered by the doctors and got her life back from lyme disease. Naturally, I am not sure how to fight lyme disease other than to arm yourself with beneficial bacteria and drink pau d'arco and eat foods which are antibacterial, but I will help you look online for resources and testimonials regarding beating lyme disease the natural way. Welcome to the group! Kelly -- Visit my new group on healing cancer and disease in general http://health.Answer2Cancer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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