weight loss

[Guest guest]

Hi Joe,

 

She drinks about 2litres a day and that's just the booze (just kidding).

 

She does her drills at least twice a day and some days a couple of times in

between......

 

As for kidney, it depends how you mean. I can get her balanced in a LONG

session but she goes right out again v soon afterwards - possibly cos she

won't clear her NLs - I have a go at them pretty much each time I see her

but they are plus plus plus sensitive and she reacts like a cat on a hot tin

roof. Actually that is how I got her to take on board the fact that the had

a TW problem - i was doing her NLs and she came REALLY close to whopping me.

-

" Joe Wadsworth " <joewnews-3

 

Monday, May 30, 2005 3:43 PM

Re: weight loss

 

 

> Hi Cris,

>

> A couple of questions:

>

> How much is she drinking?

> How often is she doing the homolateral cross crawl and

> cross crawl?

> What state is her Kidney meridian in?

>

> - Joe W

>

>

> --- " hunter.cris " <hunter.cris wrote:

>

>> Hi all,

>>

>> I have hit a brick wall with a client of mine who is

>> doing all the drills and more and is just piling on

>> a kilo a week. I can't reverse it and no-one else

>> seems to be able to. She

>> REFUSES to use EFT even though I have tried to

>> reframe it, change the phrase etc she can't get that

>> level of acceptance of herself.

>>

>> She has tried all the usual diets and supplements

>> and most increased her weight.

>>

>> I have energy tested her for some supplements and

>> she is on those without increasing her weight gain

>> but it hasn't slowed her any either.

>>

>> She is toxic - all her Nl are v tender and have

>> remained that way for months. She started doing the

>> drills properly a couple of months ago and from that

>> point she has been doing her NLs too - with no

>> improvement.

>>

>> She usually feels great for a day or so after a

>> session but then goes downhill again.....

>>

>> Anyone got any bright ideas????? I feel like I have

>> run out of them ........

>>

>>

>> Thanks

>> Cris

>

 

[Guest guest]

Hi mary,

 

thanks for the link but I couldn't get it to work for me. page unavailable!!! Any ideas?

-

M J Nelson

Monday, May 30, 2005 8:00 PM

Re: weight loss

 

Chris,

Go to http://www.zpointprocess.com/ . There is a link on the home page to click to listen to a short ZPoint session with Grant. I find ZPoint more effective and easier to use than EFT. I do still find myself tapping as I do the ZPoint process with my cue word. It is pretty intuitive and combines well with other modalities.

 

I am listening to some of the Silva Alpha tapes and find myself doing my cue word instinctively. It is great.

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Cris,

 

See if she can cut back a bit on how much she drinks.

And no more carbonated drinks if she does. Also, see

if she will massage the adrenals (#25 of the TW

sedation list). Along with helping TW it will also

strengthen the kidneys, since the adrenals are right

on top of them.

 

You may have already tried these, it sound as though

you've already done a great deal. But if you haven't,

these are my suggestions.

 

Good luck Cris.

 

- Joe W

[Guest guest]

Chris,

I think it is the punctuation. It looks like the period on the end in included.

http://www.zpointprocess.com

Try that one.

Mary

[Guest guest]

, " hunter.cris "

<hunter.cris@w...> wrote:

> Hi all,

>

> I have hit a brick wall with a client of mine who is doing all the

drills and more and is just piling on a kilo a week. I can't reverse

it and no-one else seems to be able to. She

> REFUSES to use EFT even though I have tried to reframe it, change

the phrase etc she can't get that level of acceptance of herself.

 

[ snip ]

>

> Anyone got any bright ideas????? I feel like I have run out of them

.........

 

Hi Cris,

 

Interesting post and you have received lots of good answers to it, so

let me just throw a few things into the pot.

 

One of the big things I got from studying with Doc in 2004 is that

when you are a practitioner of any kind of changework, you must make

the rules.

 

My rules are simple. Clients must pay me according to my charging

scales. Clients must obey direct therapeutic instructions as far as

they possibly can. Failure to comply with the rules means termination

of our relationship.

 

When I started out, I let the rules slide for all the wrong reasons -

not least the belief that I needed the money more than I needed to

enforce the rules. Repeatedly and painfully I got involved with people

I should have turned away at the initial interview.

 

Then I decided to learn how to attract and screen for better quality

clients. I decided I was only interested in people who were willing

and eager to change. I pushed the prices up. All these things made

life easier and more pleasant and I started to get better results. My

fears of financial hardship proved unfounded.

 

Building rapport, using convincer strategies, being pleasant and

accommodating all help. It's like Milton Erickson said:

 

'I'm happy for the client to do what I want however they choose.'

 

I'm thinking of getting that tattooed on my hands.

 

I would take this woman to task. I would tell her plainly that her

weight is likely the result of emotional issues that she needs to

address. She can either fully and frankly disclose what those issues

are and trust your professional opinion by complying with whatever

drills you see fit to clear them up or she can leave. You'll make it

as pleasant as possible but there comes a point where she has to trust

your professionalism.

 

If she can't even bring herself to say the EFT acceptance statement, I

wouldn't be working on her weight. To me, her inability to say that is

evidence of a Global PR (have a look at David Feinstein's Energy

Psychology). She could well be reversed against any kind of positive

change. Get going on that. 'Even though I do not deeply and completely

accept myself, I choose to be open to entertaining the possibility of

hopefully one day accepting myself at least a bit.' Literally. Start

with that.

 

Ironically, as I sit typing this, the phone just rang in my office.

Someone asked if they had reached my company, I said yes. They asked

how much I charged per hour. I said the initial consultation is free

but I don't charge by the hour. So they asked how much I charge by the

session. I asked for their name, they ignored me and repeated their

request for a per session price. I said the initial consultation was

free and after that I quote for the total work. They said I must have

some idea of the price per session. So I began to explain politely how

I work like a builder or an architect - I need to see what I'm working

with before I quote. Halfway through they just hung up on me.

 

What does that exchange tell you about that person?

 

How ready do you think they are to work with me?

 

I take great comfort in knowing that even Doc has had experiences of

people who reacted to him badly and they could not or would not work

together.

 

I take further comfort in knowing that it made him as angry as it

makes me. There was a post about this on his other list a while ago.

 

Brad Blanton, the author of Radical Honesty (a book I enjoyed and

recommend) is a psychotherapist in Washington D.C. He's been in

practice for decades. He gives workshops, has written books. He was

even trained in hypnosis by Milton Erickson.

 

In Radical Honesty, he said that in his practice, one third of the

people get a lot from therapy. One third of them make a few half-assed

changes. And one third of them get nothing at all.

 

One third.

 

Someone should teach him EFT. :-)

 

But that's beside the point. The point is that he's rich and happy

getting great results for only one third of his clients.

 

Be confident in cutting your losses if they won't play ball.

 

Have fun,

 

Phil

[Guest guest]

On 5/30/05, hunter.cris <hunter.cris wrote:

>

> REFUSES to use EFT even though I have tried to reframe it, change the phrase

> etc she can't get that level of acceptance of herself.

>

 

I ran into this once, think it was the first person I really made a

difference for. I was at a late-summer outdoor social event, and

noticed that a girl off to my left was twitching. Seemed that she

didn't much care for bees, which she confirmed. I said I had a few

tools that could help...

 

After I mangled an NLP fast phobia cure, I introduced EFT. " Rubbing

right here, repeat after me: even though I'm afraid of bees, I

totally and completely accept and appreciate myself. "

 

She gives me a blank look. I try again, and she says, " but I do

accept and appreciate myself " . And she wouldn't budge. After trying

several different frames, I was just about ready to give up. Then I

intuit that I should use Emotrance.

 

" And when you think about bees flying all around you, where do you feel it? "

And she felt her fear of bees like a vice grip around her heart. I

told her to try moving that feeling, and she was able to do that.

Then I had her move it out of her body, out an arm or a leg, whichever

felt right to her. As the feeling moved down her arm, she got all

giggly. I told her to let it move all the way out her arm and

disperse. " okay, I guess we're done now " , and we went back to the

outdoor gathering.

 

She sought me out a little while later. " Look, I got stung! " , and she

proudly points out a little red welt on her leg. She was happy that

her phobic response was gone. I did take a pre-SUDS scale, and I'd

rate that a 9->0.

 

http://starfields.org/Oceans_Of_Energy.htm (Emotrance Volume 1)

 

I was once sitting next to a girl on an airplane who didn't much like

to fly. Well, the flying part was okay, it was the takeoffs and

landings that she didn't like. So usually she dealt with that by

consuming alcoholic beverages. I said that phobias like that are easy

to cure with the right techniques, and explained how EFT and Emotrance

work. Interested? " no thanks " .

 

After we landed, I asked how that one was. " hmm? Wasn't thinking

about it. " Accidental covert emotrance? And she wanted to keep her

phobia. Oops.

 

>

> She is toxic - all her Nl are v tender and have remained that way for

> months. She started doing the drills properly a couple of months ago and

> from that point she has been doing her NLs too - with no improvement.

>

 

rebounder?

 

-james

[Guest guest]

Thanks for this Joe. Yes, i have already done this. She massages most bits

of her body at some point or other in her routine - she just does it V

gently as it is so sensitive...

-

" Joe Wadsworth " <joewnews-3

 

Tuesday, May 31, 2005 5:57 PM

Re: weight loss

 

 

> Hi Cris,

>

> See if she can cut back a bit on how much she drinks.

> And no more carbonated drinks if she does. Also, see

> if she will massage the adrenals (#25 of the TW

> sedation list). Along with helping TW it will also

> strengthen the kidneys, since the adrenals are right

> on top of them.

>

> You may have already tried these, it sound as though

> you've already done a great deal. But if you haven't,

> these are my suggestions.

>

> Good luck Cris.

>

> - Joe W

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

that's the mini trampoline thing isn't it?

I could push her to get one i guess - it would be physical exercise as a

plus point ina ddition to the rest....

-

" james knochel " <knochj

 

Wednesday, June 01, 2005 3:06 AM

Re: weight loss

 

 

> On 5/30/05, hunter.cris <hunter.cris wrote:

>>

>> REFUSES to use EFT even though I have tried to reframe it, change the

>> phrase

>> etc she can't get that level of acceptance of herself.

>>

>

> I ran into this once, think it was the first person I really made a

> difference for. I was at a late-summer outdoor social event, and

> noticed that a girl off to my left was twitching. Seemed that she

> didn't much care for bees, which she confirmed. I said I had a few

> tools that could help...

>

> After I mangled an NLP fast phobia cure, I introduced EFT. " Rubbing

> right here, repeat after me: even though I'm afraid of bees, I

> totally and completely accept and appreciate myself. "

>

> She gives me a blank look. I try again, and she says, " but I do

> accept and appreciate myself " . And she wouldn't budge. After trying

> several different frames, I was just about ready to give up. Then I

> intuit that I should use Emotrance.

>

> " And when you think about bees flying all around you, where do you feel

> it? "

> And she felt her fear of bees like a vice grip around her heart. I

> told her to try moving that feeling, and she was able to do that.

> Then I had her move it out of her body, out an arm or a leg, whichever

> felt right to her. As the feeling moved down her arm, she got all

> giggly. I told her to let it move all the way out her arm and

> disperse. " okay, I guess we're done now " , and we went back to the

> outdoor gathering.

>

> She sought me out a little while later. " Look, I got stung! " , and she

> proudly points out a little red welt on her leg. She was happy that

> her phobic response was gone. I did take a pre-SUDS scale, and I'd

> rate that a 9->0.

>

> http://starfields.org/Oceans_Of_Energy.htm (Emotrance Volume 1)

>

> I was once sitting next to a girl on an airplane who didn't much like

> to fly. Well, the flying part was okay, it was the takeoffs and

> landings that she didn't like. So usually she dealt with that by

> consuming alcoholic beverages. I said that phobias like that are easy

> to cure with the right techniques, and explained how EFT and Emotrance

> work. Interested? " no thanks " .

>

> After we landed, I asked how that one was. " hmm? Wasn't thinking

> about it. " Accidental covert emotrance? And she wanted to keep her

> phobia. Oops.

>

>>

>> She is toxic - all her Nl are v tender and have remained that way for

>> months. She started doing the drills properly a couple of months ago and

>> from that point she has been doing her NLs too - with no improvement.

>>

>

> rebounder?

>

> -james

 

[Guest guest]

hi,

what's N1 and v and NL's? thanks

gina

 

" >>> from that point she has been doing her NLs too - with no improvement.

>>

>

> rebounder?

>

> -james

[Guest guest]

Kelly, it's a long story but I'll make it short, nothing exciting.

 

My weight loss took about 3 years off and on...I was using Sunrider

herbal whole foods to help burn fat, increase metabolism...I used it

off and on depending on $.

 

I'm a gourmet cook and finally toward the last 6 mos I took the most

pounds off. I changed the gourmet cooking style giving up lots of

butter and cheese I used to use. I added more vegan and vegetarian

meals. We like everything so it was just the fats I limited.

 

At the point I am now I will be 60 soon. I started losing hair and

my nails developed ridges. I decided I must make some more

changes. I've added raw food cuisine to our meals, kept up walking

a mile a day and doing at least 20 minutes of Pilates on the

reformer a day.

 

Still looking to lose the last of my weight I have joined the

coconut forum, I've started adding coconut...my nails are looking

better and my energy has increased, which is a lot to say.

 

I know I couldn't have lost like I have without the help of the

Sunrider foods. I had 2 shakes a day that fed every cell and 2

fiber bars a day to flush out the fat. If my body hadn't made the

changes it had with my hair I'd still be doing that.

 

If I struggle too long with this last 30# I may go back to the

Sunrider herbals. I've noticed if I eat too much fruit that adds

the weight back on. I have low blood sugar, so I eat several small

meals and because of that I still feel like I'm eating too much.

It's still a working project......