diabetes

February 2, 2001

What/where is the Horizon Catalog ?

My mother has Type II Diabetes ...Could Bitter Melon do anything

for her ?

malinda

Penny Khaled wrote:

> Dear Laurie,

> Have you tried Bitter Melon for your Diabetes? In the Horizon

> Catalogue under Melon, Bitter........Love Penny

>

> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural

remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from

list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members

free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> ian_shillington

March 2, 2001

Hi Ninox:

The pancreas is governed by the solar plexus. There can an aspect of " lack

of control " or at least perceived control about diabetes. Type I, or what

used to be called " Juvenile " , sometimes seems to bring out some interesting

rebellious aspects in the people who have it. I've taken care of many young

diabetics who seem to be smoking, drinking or eating junk food simply

*because* they are dangerous to their health.

There might also be a feeling of deprivation, as often happens when a

person's food is threatened, food meaning not simply survival but comfort

and security for many people. It seems especially poignant that they cannot

handle the " sweetness " in life, and may feel that their lives, not just

their diets, are losing flavor and substance, somehow. Of course this is not

true, but it is the perception that causes the issue; any one of us could

live very well on a diabetic exchange diet without hunger or lack of

variety.

Exercise, rest, and other changes, such as eliminating smoking and more

diligent skin care, might also seem onerous until they become habit, but

once they become comfortable with the ritual they will do fine.

I'll post the solar plexus file to the list so you can see some ways a

person can support that center. In addition to paying extra attention to the

pancreas, remember that the other factor in diabetes is insulin uptake; the

body has to be able to process insulin in order to process sugar to feed the

body. Affirmations to help with this might include " My body processes

nutrients appropriately " and " I deserve happiness " .

Blessings,

Crow

" Look for Rainbows in the Darkness "

>bluemoon <bluemoon

>

> " ' ' "

> Diabetes

>Fri, 2 Mar 2001 14:28:01 +1100

>

>Thanks Ellie,

>I think a timely reminder about the hazards of diabetes being taken lightly

>will be a good thing for my husband. Coming from a third person makes it

>more likely to be listened to.

>Love and Light, Ninox

>

>Does anyone have any thoughts on body/mind connection?

>Caroline, which chakra is the pancreas connected to?

>

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August 10, 2002

<<Minerals:

Chromium

Vanadium

Magnesium>>

I think that last one should read Manganese, shouldn't it?....

Also, gymnema, and HGH increasers, can help re-grow the islet cells in the

pancreas. In fact, North America's leading anti-aging doctors said exactly

that

about HGH therapy in a recent seminar. They said the therapy was

particularly useful in curing diabetes type II. Also, many practitioners

cure type II through diet alone, but by the time an anti-aging specialist

sees a client they're older so HGH levels are low anyway and the client is

less likely to respond to diet alone.

<<Retinopathy

Bilberry

Quercetin>>

Mention should be made here of glutathione, which is the body's major

antioxidant, made specifically for one of it's jobs -- the job of fighting

lipid peroxidation,

which retinopathy is.

<<Cardiovascular disease/peripheral vascular disease

CoQ10

EPA/GLA

Vitamin E

Ginkgo>>

And l-lysine, l-proline and vitamin C, Linus Pauling style. Been known to

cuer atherosclerosis for a long time. Also again, glutathione through

undenatured whey. For peripheral disease and curing/avoiding diabetic

ulcers, ozone therapy, German style.

<<Nephropathy

EPA/GLA

Carnitine>>

Carnitine also mobilizes fats for burning. Nephropathy will respond to

microhydrin, undenatured whey again (glutathione) and a rebuild using the

amino

stack SomaLife, and drinking more water.

Note in the medline studies below that most diabetic complications result

from oxidative stress.

http://members.shaw.ca/widewest/medline_links.html

Patricia

August 14, 2002

On Saturday, August 10, 2002, at 08:21 AM, Patricia Gilbert wrote:

> Also, gymnema, and HGH increasers, can help re-grow the islet cells in

> the

> pancreas. In fact, North America's leading anti-aging doctors said

> exactly

> that about HGH therapy in a recent seminar.

That is a bold faced lie on their part. NOTHING can regrow the beta

cells of the islets of Langerhans (sp?).

August 14, 2002

-

" Gary Green " <limbsw

Wednesday, August 14, 2002 12:19 AM

Re: re: diabetes

>

> On Saturday, August 10, 2002, at 08:21 AM, Patricia Gilbert wrote:

>

> > Also, gymnema, and HGH increasers, can help re-grow the islet

cells in

> > the

> > pancreas. In fact, North America's leading anti-aging doctors

said

> > exactly

> > that about HGH therapy in a recent seminar.

>

> That is a bold faced lie on their part. NOTHING can regrow the

beta

> cells of the islets of Langerhans (sp?).

>

It would seem that there are indications that your statement

may be incorrect. See snippets below with referencing URLs.

Alobar

BURLINGAME, CA - According to Dr. Baskaran and Dr. Ahamath, of the

Department of Biochemistry, Post-Graduate Institute of Basic Medical

Sciences, Madras, India, the therapeutic properties of Gymnema

sylvestre, an extract from the leaves of Gymnema sylvestre, in

controlling hyperglycaemia was investigated in 22 Type-2 diabetic

patients on conventional oral anti-hyperglycaemic agents. Gymnema

sylvestre, (400 mg/day) was administered for 18-20 months as a

supplement to the conventional oral drugs. During Gymnema sylvestre

supplementation, the patients showed a significant reduction in blood

glucose, glycosylated haemolglobin and glycosylated plasma proteins,

and conventional drug dosage could be decreased. Five of the 22

diabetic patients were able to discontinue their conventional drug

and maintain their blood glucose homeostasis with Gymnema sylvestre

alone. These data suggest that the beta cells may be

regenerated/repaired in Type-2 diabetic patients on Gymnema sylvestre

supplementation. This is supported by the appearance of raised

insulin levels in the serum of patients after Gymnema sylvestre

supplementation.

http://www.bestnutrition.com/te/gymnema.htm

Antidiabetic effect of a leaf extract from Gymnema sylvestre in

non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus patients.

Baskaran K, Kizar Ahamath B, Radha Shanmugasundaram K,

Shanmugasundaram ER.

Department of Biochemistry, Postgraduate Institute of Basic Medical

Sciences Madras, India.

The effectiveness of GS4, an extract from the leaves of Gymnema

sylvestre, in controlling hyperglycaemia was investigated in 22 Type

2 diabetic patients on conventional oral anti-hyperglycaemic agents.

GS4 (400 mg/day) was administered for 18-20 months as a supplement to

the conventional oral drugs. During GS4 supplementation, the patients

showed a significant reduction in blood glucose, glycosylated

haemoglobin and glycosylated plasma proteins, and conventional drug

dosage could be decreased. Five of the 22 diabetic patients were able

to discontinue their conventional drug and maintain their blood

glucose homeostasis with GS4 alone. These data suggest that the beta

cells may be regenerated/repaired in Type 2 diabetic patients on GS4

supplementation. This is supported by the appearance of raised

insulin levels in the serum of patients after GS4 supplementation.

Publication Types:

Clinical Trial

PMID: 2259217 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?db=m & form=6 & uid=9

1080576 & dopt=b & title=no & tool=EntrezLinkDoc

In 1990 a series of published studies on GSE lifted this herb from

interesting to revolutionary. To begin with, it was shown that the

administration of GSE to diabetic animals not only resulted in

improved glucose homeostasis, this improvement was accompanied by a

regeneration of beta cells in the pancreas.(5) In the words of the

authors, " This herbal therapy appears to bring about blood glucose

homeostasis through increased serum insulin levels provided by

repair/regeneration of the endocrine pancreas. " To my knowledge, this

is the only compound that has shown the ability to lessen indicators

of diabetes by directly repairing/regenerating the pancreas cells

responsible for producing insulin.

5. E.R.B. Shanmugasundaram, K.L. Gopinath, K. Rhada Shanmugasundaram,

et al, Journal of Ethnopharmacology 1990; 30: 265-279.

http://intelegen.com/nutrients/gymnema_sylvestre_for_diabetes.htm

August 17, 2002

On Wednesday, August 14, 2002, at 03:51 PM, Alobar wrote:

> It would seem that there are indications that your statement

> may be incorrect. See snippets below with referencing URLs.

With all respect sir, a few rat studies and some promo-info from some

for-sale sites doesn't change my opinion. Interesting, yes, but I want

to see some human studies from somewhere I feel I can trust. Then I

will be happy to suggest this " product " to my patients.

I stand by what I said about HGH precursors. They are garbage.

Yours in health and truth.

Gary L. Green, D.C.

August 17, 2002

-

" Gary Green " <limbsw

Saturday, August 17, 2002 1:04 AM

Re: re: diabetes

>

> On Wednesday, August 14, 2002, at 03:51 PM, Alobar wrote:

> > It would seem that there are indications that your

statement

> > may be incorrect. See snippets below with referencing URLs.

>

> With all respect sir, a few rat studies and some promo-info from

some

> for-sale sites doesn't change my opinion. Interesting, yes, but I

want

> to see some human studies from somewhere I feel I can trust. Then

I

> will be happy to suggest this " product " to my patients.

>

> I stand by what I said about HGH precursors. They are garbage.

>

> Yours in health and truth.

>

> Gary L. Green, D.C.

Please forgive my ignorance, but what does " D.C " stand for?

To say research is still being done & the results are not yet

proven is one thing, but to say that all indications are " garbage " is

yet another. You ask for human studies. The info I sent earlier on

this thread pointed to human studies. I am perplexed. Do you

ignore them because they were done in India? Because much of the

researches are being done by Aryuvedic doctors? Is any research or

findings not sanctioned by the allopaths in America not worth your

consideration?

When I was diagnosed as a diabetic, my fasting blood sugar

was 360 & I had a non-healing diabetic ulcer on my foot which I had

had for about a year. For 5 months I followed the doctor's advice

& took glyburide daily to maintain blood glucose levels & got my

foot dealt with regularly by a physical therapist (weekly debridement

plus various changes to my footwear plus various bandage changes &

powder put on the wound).

I hated the glyburide & how it made me feel. I could tell

the glyburide was just not good for me long term. After doing quite

a bit of reading, I discovered Gourdin, an Aryuvedic preparation of

bitter melon & began taking it four times a day in conjunction with

the glyburide. When my foot had completely healed, I told my doctor

I was going to try going off glyburide & maintain my blood glucose

levels with diet plus gourdin alone. My doctor was very much

against this. She said at my age (56), I would not be able to

control my glucose levels with diet alone. but when I told her I was

going to do it anyway, she gave me some guidelines as to what was

acceptable glucose control.

After being totally off glyburide for four months, my doctor

had my bloodwork done & she e-mailed me the following:

>glycosylated hemoglobin Hb A1C--the biochemical measure of glucose

>control over the preceding 120 days--and it is 6.6, which is only

>slightly above normal. The normal range is 4-6.4. In short, you've

>been doing pretty well over the past several months, so I don't

think

>you need to make any changes presently as long as you keep eating

well.

It has now been nearly 10 months since going off the

glyburide. My fasting glucometer reading vary between 85 and 120,

unless I have taken Niacin the day before. My post prandial

readings never exceed 150 & are usually 125-135. A year ago, my

fasting glucose was 360. I adhere to a strict diet -- but it is

*not* the diet suggested by the ADA & the allopaths.

I have just bought some Gymnema sylvestre tea (which I

mentioned in my previous post on this thread) which I have not yet

begun to use. Even if the experiment is not successful, what have I

lost? $15 a month. And if the tea actually does regenerate my

pancreatic cells? I will possibly extend my life by years and do

away with all the old age complications of diabetes -- saving me much

grief, physical degradation, and possibly tens of thousands of

dollars in medical expenses.

Aryuvedic medicine is far older than allopathic medicine.

It is a much gentler approach to healing & re-balance than allopathic

medicine. I do not think *any* branch of medicine is perfect in

all situations. If I get shot by a crook, or if I were to be in a

car wreck -- the allopaths are far better at trauma than anyone else.

But when the choice is taking an allopathic drug daily for the rest

of my life which has known bad side effects & leads inevitably to the

degradation of my body's organs & functions, and taking Aryuvedic

herbal preparations which may actually reverse organ degradation,

I'll go with the Aryuvedic preparations.

For more info, see http://www.gourdin.com/ I am not

affiliated with this website, other than being a satisfied customer.

It is not some multi-level marketing scheme.

Alobar

August 18, 2002

On Sunday, August 18, 2002, at 02:56 AM, Alobar wrote:

Please forgive my ignorance, but what does " D.C " stand for?

Doctor of Chiropractic. Simply put, I spent 8 years in pursuit of a

little piece of paper that would state that I had spent 8 years in

pursuit of a little piece of paper. For my money I received a grounding

in basic science at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. Then I want

on to get the same education a medical doctor gets in their first year

of school i.e. anatomy, physiology, histology, embryology, this and that

ology. Bloody rough but I made it through. Now I know how to read

books with medical terms and understand them. Basic science IS where

it's at.

To say research is still being done & the results are not yet

proven is one thing, but to say that all indications are " garbage " is

yet another.

No,no... all the claims made by HGH precursor salesmen are garbage.

They are making out like it's mana from heaven or something. It can

cure all evils if you just buy their product. I'm sick of it.

You ask for human studies. The info I sent earlier on

this thread pointed to human studies. I am perplexed.

The one peer reviewed study had to do with rats not humans. Admittedly,

some humans are rats ( I know many) but the two are not equivalent but

similar in some ways.

Do you

ignore them because they were done in India?

Didn't know they are from India but that certainly doesn't give them any

credibility. Indians are the biggest scam artists on the planet. I

live in " little-India " here in Malaysia and I know the culture. Full or

liars and charlatans. On the other side of the coin one of my closest

confidants is an Indian and he does business in India on a regular basis

and will echo what I've said above.

Because much of the

researches are being done by Aryuvedic doctors?

I put no faith in Aryuvedic practices... then again, I have no faith.

Prove it and I'll believe.

Is any research or

findings not sanctioned by the allopaths in America not worth your

consideration?

Not all researchers are allopathic. Careful with your generalizations.

I'll trust findings that are repeatable. Simple as that.

After being totally off glyburide for four months, my doctor

had my bloodwork done & she e-mailed me the following:

[snip]

A year ago, my

fasting glucose was 360. I adhere to a strict diet -- but it is

*not* the diet suggested by the ADA & the allopaths.

Congrats. I believe the #1 reason we get diabetes is our diet.

I have just bought some Gymnema sylvestre tea (which I

mentioned in my previous post on this thread) which I have not yet

begun to use. Even if the experiment is not successful, what have I

lost? $15 a month.

That doesn't matter. If it's worthless, it's worthless at any price.

One might argue that better to do something harmless but worthless than

wait for the " scientific " results and find that it's worthwhile. I

could only agree with that. My question is this: If you find some

change from it, how are you going to prove it was because it was the

Beta cells of the Islets of Langerhans that grew back? If it does I'll

be all over it and recommending it to my diabetic patients. Until I see

real proof that it works I can't do that and what I saw from what you

sent me I am not yet convinced and nor should I be.

Aryuvedic medicine is far older than allopathic medicine.

Older does not mean better automatically. Anything that gives a desired

result with minimal negative effects is desirable but there are cases

where their are no alternatives. In your case, you got a better deal

with Aryuvedic medicine.

I also had beneficial results with Aryuvedic medicine when I was having

the pain of gall stones. In the end, however, the gall bladder still

had to come out.