Guest guest Report post Posted June 3, 2007 > Hello Mark, > > It is said that those that are chronically depressed do not know > how to be sad. > > Anyway, is there any reason (objectively) for this anxiety? Or is > it something that is simply THERE? > > marcos Hello. No, I know no objective reason for that. Freud probably would say it's has sth in common with my childhood, it's unconsious... Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 11, 2007 Chinese Traditional Medicine , " socjuszzz " <socjusz wrote: > > By the way, would you recommend any articles or materials on > acupuncture ? Today I had an acupuncture session for my anxiety, > heart palpitations, muscle tensions and poor sleep, and I really would > like to know if it's worth of the money I pay for it (and if the > effects will last). Furthermore my acupunctirist says that I should do > it at least every two or three days at maximum. On wikipedia I read > that from the researches done on acupuncture it's difficult to say > something about its efficacy and if it's anything more than a placebo > effect (it's at least what is written there > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acupuncture) > Could you reccomend any good reading to know more about it ? How does > it work ? IMO, the placebo effect is highly overrated and overused in the West to the point that it often interferes with and prevents understanding. Anything not understood within the confines of the current paradigm (view of what's possible in reality) all too often is attributed to a placebo effect instead of the paradigm and one's understanding of reality being enlarged. While it's true that some people are highly susceptible to a placebo effect and suggestion, from what I've observed, the majority of people are not. The few who are susceptible are those who in the past have been diagnosed as suffering from " hysteria " or " conversion reaction " . (The term " hysteria " when used in a clinical sense is not the same as the general use of the word.) One of the biggest problems many Westerners have with TCM (at first) is the emphasis it puts on both the healer and the client learning to trust and report their observations. Learning to pay attention to one's own body is not only OK in TCM, optimal healing is dependent upon this. It doesn't matter what someone else says about acupuncture or TCM herbalism or whatever, but what YOU actually experience. If there is improvement, stay with the treatment. If there is not improvement, find another acupuncturist or another healer who is more suited to your particular problems. I also want to point out that not all acupuncturists use TCM. There are different schools of acupuncture. The ones who do use TCM or similar systems tend to have more healing knowledge and abilities than those who practice a mechanical, Western diagnosis, " cookbook " style of acupuncture. The cookbook acupuncturists can get excellent results in many cases, but when problems are complex and have gone on for some time, the TCM and similar acupuncturists have an edge that the cookbook acupuncturists do not. Out of the acupuncturists who do use TCM or a similar system, the ones who use 5 Elements Theory have an even greater edge than the TCM (or similar) acupuncturists have. The books I would recommend for you are Five Spirits: Alchemical Acupuncture for Psychological and Spiritual Healing by Lorie Eve Dechar and Relaxing Into Your Being by B.K. Frantzis. These contain not the type of info you requested, but info that you may find very helpful and balancing. TCM grew out of Taoist thought which emphasizes paying attention to one's physical body. Not second hand attention via outside tests, but direct attention. In the West, some people have learned that certain deep tissue massage techniques can reveal and help to release psychological blockages. What a lot of these people don't realize is that in some cases it doesn't take this kind of deep tissue, painful, and vigorous massage to do this. Acupuncture, acupressure, and even mild massage can do this if certain areas are worked. These are the " Spirit " points. Many acupuncturists/ acupressurists don't use them or only use a few of them (like Heart-7, Spirit Gate). The book Five Spirits goes into some of these points and the effects they can have. If your local library does not have copies of these books, the US and many countries have some version of interlibrary loan in which your local library will try to get a copy of a book from another library system. In some places this is a completely free service, in other you pay the book postage. B.K. Frantzis has a website, and there are various articles by and about his work on the Internet. I haven't Googled for Lorie Eve Dechar. There might be a lot on the Internet by her and about her work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 5, 2009 I've had this problem for many years. I've tried different things, but basically one has to really try and focus or distract them self in order to relax. Biofeedback may work for you or listenting to music (not to loudly) with earphones. Just distract yourself to get away from the thoughts playing over and over in your head. That is when we really get worked up and make things worse for our self. I know it is hard to sit down for more than a few seconds, but if you focus on your breathing, relaxation starts to take place most of the time. Write down when these attacks occur and how your day was going before the anxiety started, you might see a pattern. When I ate certain foods and realized my moods would swing because of to much sugar I made adjustments. Although my attacks were still happening the duration wasn't as long. At this time of my life I only have two anxiety attacks quarterly and they don't last all night like before. Reading out loud to drown out the anxious thoughts also helps, because you're hearing your own voice and may slow down your breathing even if only for a few minutes, it is a start anyway. This is just my opinion and methods that I have tried, may be it will help, may be it won't. I just identified with your situation. Blue Moon You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him. James D. Miles --- On Wed, 6/3/09, chopra.pragati <chopra.pragati wrote: chopra.pragati <chopra.pragati Anxiety Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 8:41 AM I get anxious really fast and get anxious really fast on every little thing.. I am really looking forward for some one to help me with this. I do not want to take any medicine for this. Can some one help me overcome this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 6, 2009 st john's wort , cammomile tea- fish oil, magnesim and zinc=vit c. also meditation is essential- go to classes to meet like minded people to learn meditation-it will teach you to focus, relax and train the brain ________________________________ chopra.pragati <chopra.pragati Wednesday, 3 June, 2009 8:41:01 AM Anxiety I get anxious really fast and get anxious really fast on every little thing. I am really looking forward for some one to help me with this. I do not want to take any medicine for this. Can some one help me overcome this. Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of your choice. Enter now.http://us.lrd./_ylc=X3oDMTJxN2x2ZmNpBF9zAzIwMjM2MTY2MTMEdG1fZG1lY2g\ DVGV4dCBMaW5rBHRtX2xuawNVMTEwMzk3NwR0bV9uZXQDWWFob28hBHRtX3BvcwN0YWdsaW5lBHRtX3B\ wdHkDYXVueg--/SIG=14600t3ni/**http%3A//au.rd./mail/tagline/creativeholi\ days/*http%3A//au.docs./homepageset/%3Fp1=other%26p2=au%26p3=mailtaglin\ e Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 7, 2009 Thanks blue moon, I will certainly try out the suggestions provided by you. I didnt know that the kind of food we eat can also increase or decrease anxiety. I will keep a check on this and try to find out what hold true for my situation. What i have realized abt myself is one thing that insecurity of any kind leads to anxiety. Would u have any suggestions for that. ________________________________ Blue Moon <rainbowspirit333 Friday, June 5, 2009 11:50:34 PM Re: Anxiety I've had this problem for many years. I've tried different things, but basically one has to really try and focus or distract them self in order to relax. Biofeedback may work for you or listenting to music (not to loudly) with earphones. Just distract yourself to get away from the thoughts playing over and over in your head. That is when we really get worked up and make things worse for our self. I know it is hard to sit down for more than a few seconds, but if you focus on your breathing, relaxation starts to take place most of the time. Write down when these attacks occur and how your day was going before the anxiety started, you might see a pattern. When I ate certain foods and realized my moods would swing because of to much sugar I made adjustments. Although my attacks were still happening the duration wasn't as long. At this time of my life I only have two anxiety attacks quarterly and they don't last all night like before. Reading out loud to drown out the anxious thoughts also helps, because you're hearing your own voice and may slow down your breathing even if only for a few minutes, it is a start anyway. This is just my opinion and methods that I have tried, may be it will help, may be it won't. I just identified with your situation. Blue Moon You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him. James D. Miles --- On Wed, 6/3/09, chopra.pragati <chopra.pragati@ > wrote: chopra.pragati <chopra.pragati@ > Anxiety Wednesday, June 3, 2009, 8:41 AM I get anxious really fast and get anxious really fast on every little thing.. I am really looking forward for some one to help me with this. I do not want to take any medicine for this. Can some one help me overcome this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2009 Hi- Classical homeopathy can be very effective for this issue.(but I recommend working with a good practitioner and not just trying out remedies on your own or through an internet remedy finder). Australian Bush Flower Essences (ABFE) are also very good. Bach Flower Essences also help many people (and pets) with anxiety. Also energy medicine works well to clear the root of the insecurities you mentioned. Though many people use EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique), I found going to a BEST practitioner to be much more efficient and lasting. BEST is Bio-Energetic Synchronization Technique. You can search for providers in your area at www.morter.com Best of luck to you, Janet In , Pragati Chopra <chopra.pragati wrote: > > Thanks blue moon, I will certainly try out the suggestions provided by you. > > I didnt know that the kind of food we eat can also increase or decrease anxiety. I will keep a check on this and try to find out what hold true for my situation. What i have realized abt myself is one thing that insecurity of any kind leads to anxiety. Would u have any suggestions for that. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 4, 2009 Hello everyone, I'm new to ayurveda and to the forum. I'd like something for my anxiety (in the past I used to have severe panic attacks). I've been told Ashwaganda helps ; is it true? Otherwise, what could I use? Overall, how can Ayurveda help me? What should I wait ? And, finally, if I choose this path, will I have to change my nutrition habits? Thank you! Best wishes, fraggaria Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 6, 2009 Brahmi is good but i would say meditation will help you the most. _____________ I'd like something for my anxiety (in the past I used to have severe panic attacks). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 6, 2009 It will be good if you can consult some nearest Ayurveda Vaidya . As the diagnosis in terms of Ayurveda should be made and then treated likewise . Though there are many therapies like meditation , yoga etc to keep anxiety in control , diet is also one of the important aspects . The Ayurveda medicines are always given as per the self body constitution . So it is advisable to do likewise . ________ I'd like something for my anxiety (in the past I used to have severe panic attacks). I've been told Ashwaganda helps ; is it true? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 7, 2009 > I'd like something for my anxiety (in the past I used to have severe panic attacks). I've been told Ashwaganda helps ; is it true? Yes, It helps. Please see some of authors notes posted in: ayurveda/message/13750 ayurveda/message/13788 ayurveda/message/13831 ayurveda/message/13868 ayurveda/message/13921 ayurveda/message/14020 > Otherwise, what could I use? Overall, how can Ayurveda help me? Many herbal approaches as well as lifestyle recommendations are given in above posts. The drugless approaches are most emphasized. >And, finally, if I choose this path, will I have to change my nutrition habits? Nutrition is the key which opens the door to super health(Post#13921). It is also discussed in above links. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 7, 2009 I've suffered from anxiety disorder for over 30 years and have investigated many natural approaches. Unfortunately, most of them do not work for anxiety. What I like about Ayurveda in terms of anxiety is its concept of the doshas. It gives you an understanding of how and why the anxiety is being created. It shows you how anxiety relates to the seasons, foods, and activities that you do and makes you feel you have some control over it by adjusting these. Since anxiety disorder makes one feel completely frustrated and unable to control oneself this alone is a immense help. I have not meditated but have tried dietary and simple herbal measures. As a result, I do see that making basic changes to ones diet such as not eating vata aggravating foods does help somewhat. As for the herbs, I've tried Triphala and Ashwagandha. Triphala has no effect in my experience. Ashwagandha does have some good effect but I feel it might be heating which can also aggravate anxiety. Perhaps an herbalist in this group can comment on that and recommend an herbal combination as a balance. Outside of ayurveda I have had some very encouraging results lately using a new form of homeopathy called HFA, Homeopathic Facial Analysis (www.vcch.org). I also talked to psychologist recently who practices something called EMDR therapy. She claimed that this works very well for anxiety but I have not tried it yet. Something to investigate further. __________ I'd like something for my anxiety (in the past I used to have severe panic attacks). I've been told Ashwaganda helps ; is it true? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 8, 2009 > I've suffered from anxiety disorder for over 30 years and have investigated many natural approaches. Unfortunately, most of them do not work for anxiety. What you feel is also dicovered by many researchers. The yardsticks used by modern science are not good indicators, when it comes to hoslistic approaches. One should use running averages like business analysts use when studying stock prices. Most westerners feel that herbal medicines should also be evidence based like synthetic counterparts. How this approach is inconsistent is shown here by studying natural herbs for anxiety alone. Valerian has a long traditional use for insomnia, and today it is an accepted over-the-counter treatment for insomnia in Germany, Belgium, France, Switzerland, and Italy. However, the evidence that it really works remains inconsistent and incomplete. Read complete report by a researcher here: http://healthlibrary.epnet.com/GetContent.aspx?token=e0498803-7f62-4563-8d47-5fe\ 33da65dd4 & chunkiid=21879 > Ashwagandha does have some good effect but I feel it might be heating which can also aggravate anxiety. Ayurveda suggests different herbs and their combinations. One disease condition has multiple herbs and each herb has scope on multiple conditions. The Vaidya (herbalist with diagnostic skills) has to choose a patient specific combination of herbs, foods and yogic menu(aasanas, mudras, mantras etc). General formulations such as aswagandha ghrutam, Brahmi Ghrutam, Brahmi Vati, Manas Mitra Vatakam are also useful but personal consultation with a vaidya can focuss a sharp approach. Dr Bhate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 8, 2009 Thank you all for your replies. I have ordered Ashwaganda in capsules and I'm waiting for it. I have also ordered two interesting books on Ayurveda and meditation cards. Unfortunately, where I live it is hard to find an Ayurveda practitioner. This is the first time I hear about Brahmi, I will certainly give it a go, once I find it. I made myself tulsi tea, it's not bad and its warming effect didn't bother me. I must agree that meditation helps the most. I managed to overcome agoraphobia & b panic attacks thanks to that. Now, in fact, the problem I have is voice hearing and I am diagnosed with depression. The psychiatrist gave me a drug called Seroxat (paxil in the USA) but it has a lot of side effects and I don't want to take it. I told the doc that I prefer the natural way and he told me that drugs are the natural way. I don't want to take it and, furthermore, under pressure. Personnally, I don't think I suffer from depression, only existing and real problems make me sad. I believe this is more relevant to my anxiety and problems that generate from the mind are best treated with the use of the mind itself, in my humble opinion. I just want Ayurveda and other natural approaches to help a little bit, to give me energy and, at the same time, ease the anxiety feeling. In the past - and even now - I found that flower essences help a lot. I have tried Bach remedies, Rose for the heart and now I will take Bush essences for the first time. I have saved all the posted articles for further reading. Thanks a lot! Best wishes, fraggaria Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites