Guest guest Report post Posted April 28, 2004 We always called it the method "Russian Roulette" cause you never knew when one got away and you were taking your chances. Zeb - John Ybarra herbal remedies Wednesday, April 28, 2004 8:16 AM Re: Herbal Remedies - Birth Control Sounds like what they called "the rythm method" when I was younger. JohnELIZABETH ELLIOTT <eliz3378 wrote: the withdrawal method is what we use. there is something else, i can't rememb3r what it is called but it seem slike a lot of work; it has to do with one figuring out when they are ovulating and not having sex then. Peace and happiness, Elizabeth Elliott, Birth Doula and Childbirth Educator Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 28, 2004 not before or after, but enstead of...<G> - Candace Podratz Re: Herbal Remedies - Birth Control ???????????????? Candace Everything will turn out well in the end. If things are not well now, then it is not yet the end. - leo herbal remedies Tuesday, April 27, 2004 9:47 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Birth Control or orange juice... love.. granny lee - zeb herbal remedies Tuesday, April 27, 2004 5:49 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Birth Control Sorry but the only one I know of is a condom. Zeb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 28, 2004 I was wondering the same thing. Of course, my warped little mind (DON'T SAY LITTLE!!) goes off in ALL SORTS of directions thinking of birth control and orange juice!! ;-) JohnCandace Podratz <CandaceAndBrock wrote: ???????????????? Candace Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 28, 2004 Oh! Zeb - leo herbal remedies Wednesday, April 28, 2004 10:10 AM Re: Herbal Remedies - Birth Control not before or after, but enstead of...<G> - Candace Podratz Re: Herbal Remedies - Birth Control ???????????????? Candace Everything will turn out well in the end. If things are not well now, then it is not yet the end. - leo herbal remedies Tuesday, April 27, 2004 9:47 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Birth Control or orange juice... love.. granny lee - zeb herbal remedies Tuesday, April 27, 2004 5:49 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Birth Control Sorry but the only one I know of is a condom. ZebFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 28, 2004 Well, my wife and I have been trying for over 5 years now to have a baby, so even "russian roulette" would be great!! And, MAN am I tired! But not tired of trying!!! Johnzeb wrote: We always called it the method "Russian Roulette" cause you never knew when one got away and you were taking your chances. Zeb Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 29, 2004 The NFP (Natural Family Planning) method is very accurate when followed properly. It has to do with charting cervical mucous, temperature taking every morning at the same time, etc. Basically the woman being Very aware of what her body is doing at different points of the month. There are websites now that help keep charts, have explanations of all the terms, etc. NFP and other similar methods are great for avoiding pregnancy as well as getting pregnant. One of the best known books on this subject is "Taking Charge of Your Fertility" (I've fogotten the author, sorry). I loaned this book to my chiropractor's wife (who hadn't been able to get pregnant in 2 years) and within 2 cycles she was pregnant :-) My La Leche League leader has avoided pregnancy using NFP for Years. Someone also mentioned using herbs to prevent conception. The only one I know of is Wild Mexican Yam, which is very high in natural progesterone. The only problem *I* personally see with going this route, would be that the woman is Still using hormones to _change_ her cycles to prevent conception. Condoms are still the "safest" route, as in, not taking hormones to change the cycles. The cervical cap & diaphram work well, as long as the spermicidal jelly is used with. Depo Provera, any form of the pill, and other similar chemical versions cause So Much damage to a woman's body it's not even funny (cancers, liver failures/diseases, etc.). Jan G. SAHM of 8, doula, breastfeeding advocate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 29, 2004 I understand you man. And I agree, the tryin' is fun! Zeb - John Ybarra herbal remedies Wednesday, April 28, 2004 6:42 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Birth Control Well, my wife and I have been trying for over 5 years now to have a baby, so even "russian roulette" would be great!! And, MAN am I tired! But not tired of trying!!! Johnzeb wrote: We always called it the method "Russian Roulette" cause you never knew when one got away and you were taking your chances. Zeb Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 29, 2004 Awesome, Thank you for that excellent explanation. Zeb - Jan Gonzalez herbal remedies Wednesday, April 28, 2004 7:05 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - Birth Control The NFP (Natural Family Planning) method is very accurate when followed properly. It has to do with charting cervical mucous, temperature taking every morning at the same time, etc. Basically the woman being Very aware of what her body is doing at different points of the month. There are websites now that help keep charts, have explanations of all the terms, etc. NFP and other similar methods are great for avoiding pregnancy as well as getting pregnant. One of the best known books on this subject is "Taking Charge of Your Fertility" (I've fogotten the author, sorry). I loaned this book to my chiropractor's wife (who hadn't been able to get pregnant in 2 years) and within 2 cycles she was pregnant :-) My La Leche League leader has avoided pregnancy using NFP for Years. Someone also mentioned using herbs to prevent conception. The only one I know of is Wild Mexican Yam, which is very high in natural progesterone. The only problem *I* personally see with going this route, would be that the woman is Still using hormones to _change_ her cycles to prevent conception. Condoms are still the "safest" route, as in, not taking hormones to change the cycles. The cervical cap & diaphram work well, as long as the spermicidal jelly is used with. Depo Provera, any form of the pill, and other similar chemical versions cause So Much damage to a woman's body it's not even funny (cancers, liver failures/diseases, etc.). Jan G. SAHM of 8, doula, breastfeeding advocate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 29, 2004 Im going to jump in here and im not an expert so know this is my own oppinion. When a couple first meets nature makes us release a chemical where we get aroused to the person we are with. Nature does that so the pair will be attracted to each other and reproduce. When you are together for years, the chemical stops because in nature its no longer needed. Its natural the way the body works. You and your mate have found each other, the attraction is no longer needed yet you or him can be attracted to someone new. This is why people cheat and resort to watching porn. But sex is also a visual and mental thing and if you use new ideas to stimulate each other you can get the sparks flying again. Many people tend to get lazy and just not try to make sex good again and this is not a good thing to do. So open your mind, use your imagination and tell your husband to do the same. Actually one person will have to make the first move. Do things that you normally wouldnt do before, suprise him. Im not really talking about romantic but more sexually. Hope this helped. I read an article on this awhile ago and it stayed in my mind. I find things like this very interesting and I am married for a bit over 11 years. I have sex apx. 4 times a week unless something stressful happens or something to that effect. I dont believe a person should allow their relationship get to the point where their mate can no longer look at them as an attractive sexual person. Have fun : ) Sammy In a message dated 4/29/2004 3:57:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eliz3378 writes: Yes, I too would be interested in info on the spermicide they use on the condoms. We use condoms as well. Out of curiosity, to those who have been married awhile, or at least been together for six years, how often are people having sex a week? My libido is pretty low, or I just am no longer attracted to my mate. Anyone? We have sex about once a week, sometimes twice but it is pretty rare Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 29, 2004 In a message dated 4/27/2004 11:36:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Odesign1 writes: Sammy...Will have to wait until someone else joins in to answer this one....Mary O Ok, will do. I am really looking foward for some advice because right now I use spermicide and lord knows what its doing to me. For some reason I feel like taking the pill isnt a good idea because I would be messing around with my hormones and that isnt good. Nothing is with out risk and I want something that is. Sammy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 29, 2004 I've also heard of that method as the "rhythm method", but in my family we call it "Jeff" (my little brother!) LOL!! Anyway, I have another question about this - I haven't used condoms in years, but last time I checked, they're all coated with spermicidal jelly. Also, the jelly is used with other methods, like the diaphragm (which is what I use now). I have strong concerns, especially after doing the cleanse twice now, about putting that toxic goo inside my body. Does anyone have any data on this stuff? I would very much like to get more info on this. Thanks Kelli John Ybarra [deuteronomy2929] Wednesday, April 28, 2004 5:16 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Birth Control Sounds like what they called "the rythm method" when I was younger. John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 29, 2004 Yes, I too would be interested in info on the spermicide they use on the condoms. We use condoms as well. Out of curiosity, to those who have been married awhile, or at least been together for six years, how often are people having sex a week? My libido is pretty low, or I just am no longer attracted to my mate. Anyone? We have sex about once a week, sometimes twice but it is pretty rare. Peace and happiness, Elizabeth Elliott, Birth Doula and Childbirth Educator http://www.birthrightinkentucky.com Attachment Parenting?? or not?? Email me or check out my site about New Native Baby Carriers! Investigate before you vaccinate!!VIAL - Kentucky ChapterElizabeth Elliott, Directoreliz3378 - Kelli Bever herbal remedies Thursday, April 29, 2004 3:34 PM RE: Herbal Remedies - Birth Control I've also heard of that method as the "rhythm method", but in my family we call it "Jeff" (my little brother!) LOL!! Anyway, I have another question about this - I haven't used condoms in years, but last time I checked, they're all coated with spermicidal jelly. Also, the jelly is used with other methods, like the diaphragm (which is what I use now). I have strong concerns, especially after doing the cleanse twice now, about putting that toxic goo inside my body. Does anyone have any data on this stuff? I would very much like to get more info on this. Thanks Kelli John Ybarra [deuteronomy2929] Wednesday, April 28, 2004 5:16 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Birth Control Sounds like what they called "the rythm method" when I was younger. JohnFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 29, 2004 In a message dated 4/29/2004 6:58:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, goldenirides writes: Klenner, mentioned vitamin C used as a contraceptive in Ukrania over a two year period from 1965 to 1967 as being 96% effective. They used a 200mg tablet inserted 10 min before "activity". I suppose one could use powdered C in some kind of water based vehicle. Test solutions from 1% to 5% of C "rapidly and irreversibly paralyzed the movement of human and rat spermatozoa." Ok who wants to try it to see if it works?? Sammy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 29, 2004 Marilyn and I have been together for almost 8 years, married for almost 5. And Travis is 6. We are very active, with at least some sort of physical/sexual intimacy just about every day/night, seldom less than 3-4 times a week. Not always intercourse and not always to "completion", but we try to at least let the other know that we love and adore each other, even in physical ways, still. JohnELIZABETH ELLIOTT <eliz3378 wrote: Yes, I too would be interested in info on the spermicide they use on the condoms. We use condoms as well. Out of curiosity, to those who have been married awhile, or at least been together for six years, how often are people having sex a week? My libido is pretty low, or I just am no longer attracted to my mate. Anyone? We have sex about once a week, sometimes twice but it is pretty rare. Peace and happiness, Elizabeth Elliott Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 29, 2004 Klenner, mentioned vitamin C used as a contraceptive in Ukrania over a two year period from 1965 to 1967 as being 96% effective. They used a 200mg tablet inserted 10 min before "activity". I suppose one could use powdered C in some kind of water based vehicle. Test solutions from 1% to 5% of C "rapidly and irreversibly paralyzed the movement of human and rat spermatozoa." Waymon Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 30, 2004 It would take some time and more than one person to test this theory LOL, but i'm sure there must be some takers. Interesting concept though. Sylvia herbal remedies , Rasberry4000@a... wrote: > In a message dated 4/29/2004 6:58:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > goldenirides writes: > Klenner, mentioned vitamin C used as a contraceptive in Ukrania over a two > year period from 1965 to 1967 as being 96% effective. They used a 200mg tablet > inserted 10 min before " activity " . I suppose one could use powdered C in some > kind of water based vehicle. Test solutions from 1% to 5% of C " rapidly and > irreversibly paralyzed the movement of human and rat spermatozoa. " > > > Ok who wants to try it to see if it works?? > > Sammy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 30, 2004 In a message dated 4/29/2004 4:44:36 PM US Mountain Standard Time, Rasberry4000 writes: But sex is also a visual and mental thing and if you use new ideas to stimulate each other you can get the sparks flying again. Many people tend to get lazy and just not try to make sex good again and this is not a good thing to do. So open your mind, use your imagination and tell your husband to do the same. Actually one person will have to make the first move. Do things that you normally wouldnt do before, suprise him. Im not really talking about romantic but more sexually. Hope this helped. I read an article on this awhile ago and it stayed in my mind. I find things like this very interesting and I am married for a bit over 11 years. I have sex apx. 4 times a week unless something stressful happens or something to that effect. I dont believe a person should allow their relationship get to the point where their mate can no longer look at them as an attractive sexual person. Have fun : ) Sammy Well put Sammy... Love making can be wonderful for a lifetime if both people want it that way. My parents always were romantic, intimate, crazy!!! In the bedroom... They just loved each other and being close. They were awesome together... God Bless, Jamie in Az Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 1, 2004 In a message dated 5/1/2004 6:59:54 AM US Mountain Standard Time, Odesign1 writes: Jamie...Now that is very interesting . Thanks for sending it .....Mary Your welcome... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 1, 2004 Jamie...Now that is very interesting . Thanks for sending it .....Mary - SpareRibOfAz herbal remedies Saturday, May 01, 2004 6:49 AM Herbal Remedies - Birth Control Here is an article a friend sent to me... I am passing it on since this is a hot topic recently! I know nothing about this other than the info below so be objective when looking into it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 1, 2004 FANTASTIC !!....Mary ----- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 1, 2004 Here's one! http://www.craigmedical.com/ovulation_saliva.htm Looks Really interesting Jamie! Jan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 2, 2004 In a message dated 5/1/2004 2:57:14 PM US Mountain Standard Time, jgonz writes: Here's one! http://www.craigmedical.com/ovulation_saliva.htm Looks Really interesting Jamie! Jan Glad you got it for everyone interested! God Bless, JAmie in Az Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2004 Yes. And this should apply to any ingredient that was highly acid as well. Spermatozoa does not do well in an acid environment. Then again, neither do the rest of us. ;o) Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.727-738-0554Doc - Waymon Cowley herbal remedies Thursday, April 29, 2004 6:57 PM Herbal Remedies - Re: Birth Control Klenner, mentioned vitamin C used as a contraceptive in Ukrania over a two year period from 1965 to 1967 as being 96% effective. They used a 200mg tablet inserted 10 min before "activity". I suppose one could use powdered C in some kind of water based vehicle. Test solutions from 1% to 5% of C "rapidly and irreversibly paralyzed the movement of human and rat spermatozoa." Waymon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 7, 2007 YES get off birth control! How about... the synthetic hormones are KNOWN carcinogens? Does that convince you? Here is a great article about what the pill has done to us. It shocked me! http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/youngwomen.html There are ways to support your body to make the transition easier. I would be happy to send you the suggestions when you are ready to take that step! Shana Clagg Hormone Health Nature's Way http://health.HormoneHealthNW/ Products awarded the " Seal of Safety " by the Cancer Prevention Coalition: http://www.1000moms1000dollars.com/babylove http://www.neways.com/usa Achieve Inner Fusion http://www.kingoffruits.com On 5/3/07, yogajo37 <yogajo37 wrote: > > Ok so here it is... I have been on the pill for 22 years... my doc said > that I should go off due to adreal fatigue.... what are your thoughts. > I think that being off would be a good thing but I need some info to > support it in general.... > thanks! > Jo > > > . > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 10, 2007 Hi Dede, Thanks for replying. I will be 40 in August. I am really freaked out. I have decided to stop the pill. I am a bit freaked out though as to the side effects of coming of it as well as how do I detox from it.... thanks again! Joelle On 5/7/07, edgetexlady <rbright wrote: > > Jo, this question may seem a bit forward, but it's necessary. How > old are you? > > Typically, they like women to get off birth control pills once they > hit around the age of 35 because of the increased risk of blood clots > and other circulatory problems. > > As far as adrenal support is concerned, I think you also need to > investigate what alternatives you wish to use for birth control > (assuming you are in a relationship -- if you're not, no problem. > But I assume you are or will be if you are taking them). > > I think it might be best to let things be for at least three months > to see where your body takes you on its own before you start messing > with things. It will tend to balance itself out on its own. > > But, in the mean time if adrenal stress is an issue, don't drink > caffeine, drink lots of water, don't smoke, stay away from cokes and > such, eat lots of fruits and veggies, keep your exercise program to > yoga or tai chi, not the more strenuous stuff like going to the gym > or running -- those are adrenal drainers. Then check back on your > system after about three months. > > Dede > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
