Guest guest Report post Posted January 3, 2002 Jo Ann I'm not sure what to think about apple cider vinegar, though I've been hearing about it's " wonders " for decades. By coincidence, it turns out that I've been using ACV for about 2 weeks now, to see if it creates as much of an " acid " problem for me, in my salads, as regular vinegars, and rice vinegar, which I love, but which always gives me terrible acid reflux pain. I'll continue using ACV instead, and see if it helps. John - " mrsjoguest " <joguest Wednesday, January 02, 2002 7:43 PM Re: juicing > --- John, > I think it's for this very reason that cancer patients are advised > to juice! Thanks for the information. Doesn't apple cider vinegar > help with digestion? Seems that I read something to that effect. > JoAnn > > JoAnn Guest > joguest > Friendsforhealthnaturally > http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html > > " John Polifronio " <counterpnt@e...> wrote: > > The doctor who prescribed the drinking of thin juices, also > prescribes a > > diet consisting of more " bulk " than any food plan I've ever seen. > > The purpose, as my doctor saw it, was, not to deny people " bulk " in > their > > diet, just the opposite, as my remark above will show. He > prescribed thin > > juices to give people a source of readily available, and very > quickly > > assimilated nutrients, with virtually no digestion necessary (in > approx. 10 > > minutes!), because he knew that most people's digestive tracts need > the > > help, and most people are not obtaining most of the nutrients > trapped in > > foods, because of the low quality of their digestion. > > - > > " the desert_rat " <ron@m...> > > <Gettingwell> > > Tuesday, January 01, 2002 3:42 PM > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > And lest we forget the colon does need bulk. > > > > > > Ron > > > _____________ > > > Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at > > > http://www.mail2world.com > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > > Alobar > > > > 1/1/2002 1:58:50 PM > > > > Gettingwell > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I continually keep having to scratch my head over the > > > > myriad > > > > > > > > differences of opinion regarding most any aspect of health & > diet. I > > > > > > > > suppose for folks with certain conditions, what your doc told > you > > > would be > > > > > > > > important. But for me & most folks I know, we get plenty of > calories > > > each > > > > > > > > day, so I have no worries about fibrous juices taking more > energy to > > > digest. > > > > > > > > In fact, as a diabetic, slowing down the absorption of sugars > is a > > > good > > > > > > > > thing. I am not starved for vitamins, so waiting an extra half > hour or > > > hour > > > > > > > > to get vitamins from fibrous juices into my system is no big > deal. > > > Kinda > > > > > > > > like taking time release vitamin pills. I will freely admit > that my > > > > > > > > morning " fruit goop " & my " veggie glop " from the vitamix is not > nearly > > > as > > > > > > > > pleasant as clear juice would be, but I have learned to live > with > > > " drinking > > > > > > > > sludge " (as my ex-wife calls it) because of the benefits I get > from > > > > > > > > consuming whole fruits & veggies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am by no means putting down those who choose > > > > clear juices. We all > > > > > > > > have different health concerns. For me, adding fiber to my diet > & > > > slowing > > > > > > > > down absorption of sugars is a good thing. I assume have other > > > concerns. > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alobar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > " John Polifronio " > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 01, 2002 12:46 PM > > > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only tell you what my doctor believed. He said that > fibrous, > > > bulky > > > > > > > > > juices take as long and, just as important, consume as much > energy > > > in the > > > > > > > > > process, as eating foods whole and unjuiced. The value of > juicing is > > > that > > > > > > > > > the juicing machine does the work of extracting the easily > > > absorbable thin > > > > > > > > > juices containing high quantities of nutrients, without > chewing, > > > without > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > inefficiences of long periods of digestion, in a few short > minutes, > > > > > > > > thereby > > > > > > > > > reducing the work load, usually improving flavor, and giving > > > overworked, > > > > > > > > > digestive tracts, the nutrients and rest necessary to heal. > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > " Alobar " > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 01, 2002 3:04 AM > > > > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am curious. Why > > > > does it matter if the good stuff in the > > > > > > > > juice > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > absorbed into the body all at once (watery juice) or slowly > over > > > the > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > takes a fibrous juice to get thru the small intestine? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alobar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > " John Polifronio " > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > Monday, December 31, 2001 5:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My natural-health doctor advised me to use a juicer that > > > provided very > > > > > > > > > > thin, > > > > > > > > > > > low bulk, juice, as watery as possible; which allowed the > body > > > to > > > > > > > > absorb > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > nourishment from the juice, within a few minutes. If your > juicer > > > > > > > > leaves > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > lot of fiber and bulk in your juice, it may taste good, > and the > > > bulky > > > > > > > > > > > elements may have a value of their own, but it slows down > the > > > > > > > > digestion > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > the juice tremendously. The special value of a juicer (I > use the > > > > > > > > Acme) > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > makes a very thin, watery juice, is that it provides > extremely > > > high > > > > > > > > > > nutrient > > > > > > > > > > > density, in a form that is absorbed and digested > thoroughly by > > > the > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > few minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > " Lu " > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, December 31, 2001 1:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use to juice years ago consistently....I had lupus, > actually > > > still > > > > > > > > > do, > > > > > > > > > > > anyhow it helped me get through a toxic exposure to > Diazon. > > > Silly > > > > > > > > > me...I > > > > > > > > > > > cleaned up a bottle that fell on the garage > > > floor...liquid...with bare > > > > > > > > > > hands > > > > > > > > > > > after I had been gardening roses....anyhow it inflamed my > liver. > > > I > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > sick > > > > > > > > > > > for a whole year and it took steady attention to what I > ate and > > > that > > > > > > > > > > juicing > > > > > > > > > > > helped me tremendously. Although, I do have to say I ate > an > > > awful lot > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > fresh steamed veggies too....I think all these ways of > helping > > > our > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > merit at different phases of our health. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy and Healthy New Year > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > (actually, I should have intro'd myself to the group, I > am > > > new! ) > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > John Polifronio > > > > > > > > > > > > Gettingwell > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, December 31, 2001 2:21 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is the belief that the fiber in plant foods make > it > > > harder, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > takes much longer, for the body to absorb the nutrients > in > > > these > > > > > > > > > foods, > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > they're juiced. > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > " Alobar " > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, December 31, 2001 12:07 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the desert_rat " > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, December 31, 2001 1:13 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm wanting to buy a new juicer and looking at the > Vita > > > Mix. I > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is okay to leave the fiber in and the Vita Mix > cleans > > > easily. > > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lazy to take a juicer apart to clean it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had my VitaMix > > > > for about 4 years now & am very > > > > > > > > happy > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alobar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, > > > building > > > > > > > > health > > > > > > > > > > > > > and well being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subscription and list archives are at: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gettingwell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 3, 2002 John, I guess Dr. Mercola Thinks that sugar is sugar is sugar. Ron _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <> > > John Polifronio > 1/2/2002 7:08:40 PM > Gettingwell > Re: juicing > > > > > > I drank thousands of servings of carrot juice, over the years, without > > experiencing > > " adverse insulin responses. " > > Of course, my whole diet was a good one at that time, so my digestive tract > > and sugar metabolism were normal. > > What it is advisable or inadvisable to do, nutritionally, or in our diets, > > is very different when we're seriously ill compared to what we can do when > > we're in good health. > > I suffer from angina, which makes walking briskly, painful. That's no > > argument against walking briskly though, is it? > > - > > " the desert_rat " > > To: > > Wednesday, January 02, 2002 6:11 PM > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > Hi Chuck, > > > Thanks for your input on the Vita-Mix. > > > Dr. Mercola on carrot juicing :Most people who juice usually use > > > carrots. Do you know why? Of course because they taste so good. The > > > reason they taste so good is that they are full of sugar. I would > > > definitely advise limiting juicing all underground vegetables to > > > decrease adverse insulin responses. > > > > > > Was it Pogo who said " We have seen the enemy and he is us " ? > > > Ron > > > _____________ > > > Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at > > > http://www.mail2world.com > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > > cking001 > > > > 1/2/2002 8:36:22 PM > > > > Gettingwell > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've got a Vita-Mix and love it. The only disappointment was trying > > > for carrot > > > > > > > > juice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > Pogo ergo possum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:13:47 -0800, " the desert_rat " wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm wanting to buy a new juicer and looking at the Vita Mix. I think > > > it > > > > > > > > >is okay to leave the fiber in and the Vita Mix cleans easily. I'm to > > > > > > > > >lazy to take a juicer apart to clean it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > > > > > > > > and well being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > > > > > > > > Subscription and list archives are at: > > > > > > > > Gettingwell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 3, 2002 John, I agree with you that Dr. Mercola does have a bad idea or two but the claim of proof of the existence of the soul comes not from him but from the esteemed British medical journal the Lancet. He merely reprinted it. I did not find it proof enough for me however. Ron _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <> > > John Polifronio > 1/2/2002 7:14:01 PM > Gettingwell > Re: juicing > > > > > > Dr. Mercola has some good ideas, and some bad ideas. He may have concerns > > about carrot juice; but, in his current e-mail alert, he claims to be able > > to proove the existence of the " soul. " The healthiest period of my life, > > was that period during which I was drinking the largest amounts of carrot > > juice (alone), carrot-celery juice, carrot-celery-apple juice, etc. I had > > endless strength, never got sick, slept like a baby, " re-grew " hair I had > > lost, never had weight or energy problems, and was relaxed and clear-headed. > > - > > " the desert_rat " > > To: > > Wednesday, January 02, 2002 6:11 PM > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > Hi Chuck, > > > Thanks for your input on the Vita-Mix. > > > Dr. Mercola on carrot juicing :Most people who juice usually use > > > carrots. Do you know why? Of course because they taste so good. The > > > reason they taste so good is that they are full of sugar. I would > > > definitely advise limiting juicing all underground vegetables to > > > decrease adverse insulin responses. > > > > > > Was it Pogo who said " We have seen the enemy and he is us " ? > > > Ron > > > _____________ > > > Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at > > > http://www.mail2world.com > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > > cking001 > > > > 1/2/2002 8:36:22 PM > > > > Gettingwell > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've got a Vita-Mix and love it. The only disappointment was trying > > > for carrot > > > > > > > > juice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > Pogo ergo possum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:13:47 -0800, " the desert_rat " wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm wanting to buy a new juicer and looking at the Vita Mix. I think > > > it > > > > > > > > >is okay to leave the fiber in and the Vita Mix cleans easily. I'm to > > > > > > > > >lazy to take a juicer apart to clean it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health > > > > > > > > and well being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > > > > > > > > Subscription and list archives are at: > > > > > > > > Gettingwell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 3, 2002 ---Wow- I thought rice was alkaline. Now this makes me wonder. My dad was plagued with digestive problems most of his life and he could tolerate rice. Perhaps it's something in the processing of the vinegar? Just a thought. JoAnn " John Polifronio " <counterpnt@e...> wrote: > Jo Ann > I'm not sure what to think about apple cider vinegar, though I've been > hearing about it's " wonders " for decades. By coincidence, it turns out that > I've been using ACV for about 2 weeks now, to see if it creates as much of > an " acid " problem for me, in my salads, as regular vinegars, and rice > vinegar, which I love, but which always gives me terrible acid reflux pain. > I'll continue using ACV instead, and see if it helps. > John > - > " mrsjoguest " <joguest@m...> > <Gettingwell> > Wednesday, January 02, 2002 7:43 PM > Re: juicing > > > > --- John, > > I think it's for this very reason that cancer patients are advised > > to juice! Thanks for the information. Doesn't apple cider vinegar > > help with digestion? Seems that I read something to that effect. > > JoAnn > > > > JoAnn Guest > > joguest@m... > > Friendsforhealthnaturally > > http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html > > > > " John Polifronio " <counterpnt@e...> wrote: > > > The doctor who prescribed the drinking of thin juices, also > > prescribes a > > > diet consisting of more " bulk " than any food plan I've ever seen. > > > The purpose, as my doctor saw it, was, not to deny people " bulk " in > > their > > > diet, just the opposite, as my remark above will show. He > > prescribed thin > > > juices to give people a source of readily available, and very > > quickly > > > assimilated nutrients, with virtually no digestion necessary (in > > approx. 10 > > > minutes!), because he knew that most people's digestive tracts need > > the > > > help, and most people are not obtaining most of the nutrients > > trapped in > > > foods, because of the low quality of their digestion. > > > - > > > " the desert_rat " <ron@m...> > > > <Gettingwell> > > > Tuesday, January 01, 2002 3:42 PM > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > And lest we forget the colon does need bulk. > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > _____________ > > > > Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at > > > > http://www.mail2world.com > > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > > > > Alobar > > > > > 1/1/2002 1:58:50 PM > > > > > Gettingwell > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I continually keep having to scratch my head over the > > > > > myriad > > > > > > > > > > differences of opinion regarding most any aspect of health & > > diet. I > > > > > > > > > > suppose for folks with certain conditions, what your doc told > > you > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > > important. But for me & most folks I know, we get plenty of > > calories > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > day, so I have no worries about fibrous juices taking more > > energy to > > > > digest. > > > > > > > > > > In fact, as a diabetic, slowing down the absorption of sugars > > is a > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > thing. I am not starved for vitamins, so waiting an extra half > > hour or > > > > hour > > > > > > > > > > to get vitamins from fibrous juices into my system is no big > > deal. > > > > Kinda > > > > > > > > > > like taking time release vitamin pills. I will freely admit > > that my > > > > > > > > > > morning " fruit goop " & my " veggie glop " from the vitamix is not > > nearly > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > pleasant as clear juice would be, but I have learned to live > > with > > > > " drinking > > > > > > > > > > sludge " (as my ex-wife calls it) because of the benefits I get > > from > > > > > > > > > > consuming whole fruits & veggies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am by no means putting down those who choose > > > > > clear juices. We all > > > > > > > > > > have different health concerns. For me, adding fiber to my diet > > & > > > > slowing > > > > > > > > > > down absorption of sugars is a good thing. I assume have other > > > > concerns. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alobar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > " John Polifronio " > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 01, 2002 12:46 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only tell you what my doctor believed. He said that > > fibrous, > > > > bulky > > > > > > > > > > > juices take as long and, just as important, consume as much > > energy > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > process, as eating foods whole and unjuiced. The value of > > juicing is > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > the juicing machine does the work of extracting the easily > > > > absorbable thin > > > > > > > > > > > juices containing high quantities of nutrients, without > > chewing, > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > inefficiences of long periods of digestion, in a few short > > minutes, > > > > > > > > > > thereby > > > > > > > > > > > reducing the work load, usually improving flavor, and giving > > > > overworked, > > > > > > > > > > > digestive tracts, the nutrients and rest necessary to heal. > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > " Alobar " > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 01, 2002 3:04 AM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am curious. Why > > > > > does it matter if the good stuff in the > > > > > > > > > > juice > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > absorbed into the body all at once (watery juice) or slowly > > over > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > takes a fibrous juice to get thru the small intestine? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alobar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > " John Polifronio " > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, December 31, 2001 5:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My natural-health doctor advised me to use a juicer that > > > > provided very > > > > > > > > > > > > thin, > > > > > > > > > > > > > low bulk, juice, as watery as possible; which allowed the > > body > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > absorb > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > nourishment from the juice, within a few minutes. If your > > juicer > > > > > > > > > > leaves > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > lot of fiber and bulk in your juice, it may taste good, > > and the > > > > bulky > > > > > > > > > > > > > elements may have a value of their own, but it slows down > > the > > > > > > > > > > digestion > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > the juice tremendously. The special value of a juicer (I > > use the > > > > > > > > > > Acme) > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes a very thin, watery juice, is that it provides > > extremely > > > > high > > > > > > > > > > > > nutrient > > > > > > > > > > > > > density, in a form that is absorbed and digested > > thoroughly by > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > few minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lu " > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, December 31, 2001 1:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use to juice years ago consistently....I had lupus, > > actually > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > do, > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyhow it helped me get through a toxic exposure to > > Diazon. > > > > Silly > > > > > > > > > > > me...I > > > > > > > > > > > > > cleaned up a bottle that fell on the garage > > > > floor...liquid...with bare > > > > > > > > > > > > hands > > > > > > > > > > > > > after I had been gardening roses....anyhow it inflamed my > > liver. > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > sick > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a whole year and it took steady attention to what I > > ate and > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > helped me tremendously. Although, I do have to say I ate > > an > > > > awful lot > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > fresh steamed veggies too....I think all these ways of > > helping > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > merit at different phases of our health. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy and Healthy New Year > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (actually, I should have intro'd myself to the group, I > > am > > > > new! ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Polifronio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gettingwell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, December 31, 2001 2:21 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is the belief that the fiber in plant foods make > > it > > > > harder, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > takes much longer, for the body to absorb the nutrients > > in > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > foods, > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they're juiced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Alobar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, December 31, 2001 12:07 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the desert_rat " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, December 31, 2001 1:13 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm wanting to buy a new juicer and looking at the > > Vita > > > > Mix. I > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is okay to leave the fiber in and the Vita Mix > > cleans > > > > easily. > > > > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lazy to take a juicer apart to clean it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had my VitaMix > > > > > for about 4 years now & am very > > > > > > > > > > happy > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alobar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, > > > > building > > > > > > > > > > health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and well being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subscription and list archives are at: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gettingwell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 3, 2002 I'm sure my reaction to rice vinegar is the result of the way it's processed. I eat brown rice all the time, and tolerate it well. John - " mrsjoguest " <joguest Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:41 AM Re: juicing > ---Wow- I thought rice was alkaline. Now this makes me wonder. > My dad was plagued with digestive problems most of his life and he > could tolerate rice. Perhaps it's something in the processing of the > vinegar? Just a thought. > JoAnn > > " John Polifronio " <counterpnt@e...> wrote: > > Jo Ann > > I'm not sure what to think about apple cider vinegar, though I've > been > > hearing about it's " wonders " for decades. By coincidence, it turns > out that > > I've been using ACV for about 2 weeks now, to see if it creates as > much of > > an " acid " problem for me, in my salads, as regular vinegars, and > rice > > vinegar, which I love, but which always gives me terrible acid > reflux pain. > > I'll continue using ACV instead, and see if it helps. > > John > > - > > " mrsjoguest " <joguest@m...> > > <Gettingwell> > > Wednesday, January 02, 2002 7:43 PM > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > --- John, > > > I think it's for this very reason that cancer patients are > advised > > > to juice! Thanks for the information. Doesn't apple cider vinegar > > > help with digestion? Seems that I read something to that effect. > > > JoAnn > > > > > > JoAnn Guest > > > joguest@m... > > > Friendsforhealthnaturally > > > http://canceranswer.homestead.com/AIM.html > > > > > > " John Polifronio " <counterpnt@e...> wrote: > > > > The doctor who prescribed the drinking of thin juices, also > > > prescribes a > > > > diet consisting of more " bulk " than any food plan I've ever > seen. > > > > The purpose, as my doctor saw it, was, not to deny > people " bulk " in > > > their > > > > diet, just the opposite, as my remark above will show. He > > > prescribed thin > > > > juices to give people a source of readily available, and very > > > quickly > > > > assimilated nutrients, with virtually no digestion necessary (in > > > approx. 10 > > > > minutes!), because he knew that most people's digestive tracts > need > > > the > > > > help, and most people are not obtaining most of the nutrients > > > trapped in > > > > foods, because of the low quality of their digestion. > > > > - > > > > " the desert_rat " <ron@m...> > > > > <Gettingwell> > > > > Tuesday, January 01, 2002 3:42 PM > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > And lest we forget the colon does need bulk. > > > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > _____________ > > > > > Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at > > > > > http://www.mail2world.com > > > > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > > > > > > Alobar > > > > > > 1/1/2002 1:58:50 PM > > > > > > Gettingwell > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I continually keep having to scratch my head over the > > > > > > myriad > > > > > > > > > > > > differences of opinion regarding most any aspect of health & > > > diet. I > > > > > > > > > > > > suppose for folks with certain conditions, what your doc > told > > > you > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > > > > important. But for me & most folks I know, we get plenty of > > > calories > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > > day, so I have no worries about fibrous juices taking more > > > energy to > > > > > digest. > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact, as a diabetic, slowing down the absorption of > sugars > > > is a > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > thing. I am not starved for vitamins, so waiting an extra > half > > > hour or > > > > > hour > > > > > > > > > > > > to get vitamins from fibrous juices into my system is no big > > > deal. > > > > > Kinda > > > > > > > > > > > > like taking time release vitamin pills. I will freely admit > > > that my > > > > > > > > > > > > morning " fruit goop " & my " veggie glop " from the vitamix is > not > > > nearly > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > pleasant as clear juice would be, but I have learned to live > > > with > > > > > " drinking > > > > > > > > > > > > sludge " (as my ex-wife calls it) because of the benefits I > get > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > consuming whole fruits & veggies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am by no means putting down those who choose > > > > > > clear juices. We all > > > > > > > > > > > > have different health concerns. For me, adding fiber to my > diet > > > & > > > > > slowing > > > > > > > > > > > > down absorption of sugars is a good thing. I assume have > other > > > > > concerns. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alobar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > " John Polifronio " > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 01, 2002 12:46 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can only tell you what my doctor believed. He said that > > > fibrous, > > > > > bulky > > > > > > > > > > > > > juices take as long and, just as important, consume as > much > > > energy > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > process, as eating foods whole and unjuiced. The value of > > > juicing is > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > the juicing machine does the work of extracting the easily > > > > > absorbable thin > > > > > > > > > > > > > juices containing high quantities of nutrients, without > > > chewing, > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > inefficiences of long periods of digestion, in a few short > > > minutes, > > > > > > > > > > > > thereby > > > > > > > > > > > > > reducing the work load, usually improving flavor, and > giving > > > > > overworked, > > > > > > > > > > > > > digestive tracts, the nutrients and rest necessary to > heal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Alobar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 01, 2002 3:04 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am curious. Why > > > > > > does it matter if the good stuff in the > > > > > > > > > > > > juice > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > absorbed into the body all at once (watery juice) or > slowly > > > over > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > takes a fibrous juice to get thru the small intestine? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alobar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " John Polifronio " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, December 31, 2001 5:47 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My natural-health doctor advised me to use a juicer > that > > > > > provided very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thin, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > low bulk, juice, as watery as possible; which allowed > the > > > body > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > absorb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nourishment from the juice, within a few minutes. If > your > > > juicer > > > > > > > > > > > > leaves > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lot of fiber and bulk in your juice, it may taste > good, > > > and the > > > > > bulky > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > elements may have a value of their own, but it slows > down > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > digestion > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the juice tremendously. The special value of a juicer > (I > > > use the > > > > > > > > > > > > Acme) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes a very thin, watery juice, is that it provides > > > extremely > > > > > high > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nutrient > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > density, in a form that is absorbed and digested > > > thoroughly by > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Lu " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, December 31, 2001 1:18 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use to juice years ago consistently....I had > lupus, > > > actually > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > do, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyhow it helped me get through a toxic exposure to > > > Diazon. > > > > > Silly > > > > > > > > > > > > > me...I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cleaned up a bottle that fell on the garage > > > > > floor...liquid...with bare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hands > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after I had been gardening roses....anyhow it > inflamed my > > > liver. > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a whole year and it took steady attention to what > I > > > ate and > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > helped me tremendously. Although, I do have to say I > ate > > > an > > > > > awful lot > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fresh steamed veggies too....I think all these ways of > > > helping > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > merit at different phases of our health. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy and Healthy New Year > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lulu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (actually, I should have intro'd myself to the > group, I > > > am > > > > > new! ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Polifronio > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gettingwell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, December 31, 2001 2:21 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is the belief that the fiber in plant foods > make > > > it > > > > > harder, > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > takes much longer, for the body to absorb the > nutrients > > > in > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > foods, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they're juiced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Alobar " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, December 31, 2001 12:07 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " the desert_rat " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, December 31, 2001 1:13 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm wanting to buy a new juicer and looking at > the > > > Vita > > > > > Mix. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is okay to leave the fiber in and the Vita Mix > > > cleans > > > > > easily. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lazy to take a juicer apart to clean it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had my VitaMix > > > > > > for about 4 years now & am very > > > > > > > > > > > > happy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alobar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by > day, > > > > > building > > > > > > > > > > > > health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and well being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subscription and list archives are at: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gettingwell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 4, 2002 Ron The " proof " may have come from a medical journal, but I'll bet my bottom dollar that Mercola coompletely bought the story, and published it on his website for our benefit. - " the desert_rat " <ron Thursday, January 03, 2002 6:26 AM Re: juicing > John, > I agree with you that Dr. Mercola does have a bad idea or two but the > claim of proof of the existence of the soul comes not from him but from > the esteemed British medical journal the Lancet. He merely reprinted it. > I did not find it proof enough for me however. > > Ron > _____________ > Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at > http://www.mail2world.com > > <> > > > > John Polifronio > > 1/2/2002 7:14:01 PM > > Gettingwell > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Mercola has some good ideas, and some bad ideas. He may have > concerns > > > > about carrot juice; but, in his current e-mail alert, he claims to be > able > > > > to proove the existence of the " soul. " The healthiest period of my > life, > > > > was that period during which I was drinking the largest amounts of > carrot > > > > juice (alone), carrot-celery juice, carrot-celery-apple juice, etc. I > had > > > > endless strength, never got sick, slept like a baby, " re-grew " hair I > had > > > > lost, never had weight or energy problems, and was relaxed and > clear-headed. > > > > - > > > > " the desert_rat " > > > > To: > > > > Wednesday, January 02, 2002 6:11 PM > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Chuck, > > > > > Thanks for your input on the Vita-Mix. > > > > > Dr. Mercola on carrot juicing :Most people who juice usually use > > > > > carrots. Do you know why? Of course because they taste so good. The > > > > > reason they taste so good is that they are full of sugar. I would > > > > > definitely advise limiting juicing all underground vegetables to > > > > > decrease adverse insulin responses. > > > > > > > > > > Was it Pogo who said " We have seen the enemy and he is us " ? > > > > > Ron > > > > > _____________ > > > > > Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at > > > > > http://www.mail2world.com > > > > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > > > > > > cking001 > > > > > > 1/2/2002 8:36:22 PM > > > > > > Gettingwell > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've got a Vita-Mix and love it. The only disappointment was > trying > > > > > for carrot > > > > > > > > > > > > juice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > Pogo ergo possum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:13:47 -0800, " the desert_rat " wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm wanting to buy a new juicer and looking at the Vita Mix. I > think > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > >is okay to leave the fiber in and the Vita Mix cleans easily. I'm > to > > > > > > > > > > > > >lazy to take a juicer apart to clean it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building > health > > > > > > > > > > > > and well being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > > > > > > > > > > > > Subscription and list archives are at: > > > > > > > > > > > > Gettingwell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 4, 2002 Well Mercola doesn't know what he's talking about, if he suggests that juicing veggies and fruit is bad for people. Juicing of foods, is extremely well regarded throughout the natural health movement, everywhere in the world, as a method for retrieving lost health, and supplying excellent nutrition to tired, worn out bodies. I've been in constant contact with numerous persons that regularly drink extracted juices, and they exhibit the best health of all the people I know. My doctor prescribed the use of juicing, only when it's accompanied by the consumption of whole foods. For breakfast, for example, he advised me to eat the following: 1 cup (max. 8ozs) of freshly made veg. juice, followed by a serving of fresh fruit, a few leaves of lettuce, and an oz of sunflower or pumpkin seeds. For lunch, it was another cup of juice, followed by a huge vegetable salad, and 3 ozs of raw, unsalted nuts. Mercola should actually try a diet of this kind, and tell us what he actually finds out after a month or so, instead of making pronouncements based on what he currently " thinks. " - " the desert_rat " <ron Thursday, January 03, 2002 6:21 AM Re: juicing > John, > I guess Dr. Mercola Thinks that sugar is sugar is sugar. > > Ron > _____________ > Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at > http://www.mail2world.com > > <> > > > > John Polifronio > > 1/2/2002 7:08:40 PM > > Gettingwell > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > I drank thousands of servings of carrot juice, over the years, without > > > > experiencing > > > > " adverse insulin responses. " > > > > Of course, my whole diet was a good one at that time, so my digestive > tract > > > > and sugar metabolism were normal. > > > > What it is advisable or inadvisable to do, nutritionally, or in our > diets, > > > > is very different when we're seriously ill compared to what we can do > when > > > > we're in good health. > > > > I suffer from angina, which makes walking briskly, painful. That's no > > > > argument against walking briskly though, is it? > > > > - > > > > " the desert_rat " > > > > To: > > > > Wednesday, January 02, 2002 6:11 PM > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Chuck, > > > > > Thanks for your input on the Vita-Mix. > > > > > Dr. Mercola on carrot juicing :Most people who juice usually use > > > > > carrots. Do you know why? Of course because they taste so good. The > > > > > reason they taste so good is that they are full of sugar. I would > > > > > definitely advise limiting juicing all underground vegetables to > > > > > decrease adverse insulin responses. > > > > > > > > > > Was it Pogo who said " We have seen the enemy and he is us " ? > > > > > Ron > > > > > _____________ > > > > > Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at > > > > > http://www.mail2world.com > > > > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > > > > > > cking001 > > > > > > 1/2/2002 8:36:22 PM > > > > > > Gettingwell > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've got a Vita-Mix and love it. The only disappointment was > trying > > > > > for carrot > > > > > > > > > > > > juice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > Pogo ergo possum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:13:47 -0800, " the desert_rat " wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm wanting to buy a new juicer and looking at the Vita Mix. I > think > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > >is okay to leave the fiber in and the Vita Mix cleans easily. I'm > to > > > > > > > > > > > > >lazy to take a juicer apart to clean it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building > health > > > > > > > > > > > > and well being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > > > > > > > > > > > > Subscription and list archives are at: > > > > > > > > > > > > Gettingwell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 4, 2002 In a message dated 4/1/02 02:07:18 GMT Standard Time, counterpnt writes: It is also a way of gaining all those vitamins that I would not get normally because I can take a drink but I could not eat that amount of raw fruit/veg. I also find that I can juice some foods raw that I would never dream of eating raw - beetroot, spinach etc. Marianne > Juicing of foods, is extremely > well regarded throughout the natural health movement, everywhere in the > world, as a method for retrieving lost health, and supplying excellent > nutrition to tired, worn out bodies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 4, 2002 Is this the same company that makes essenmtial ois? Thanks Donna In a message dated 12/31/01 11:31:00 PM, demi111 writes: << Oh Joann, One more thing, the Now company uses only vegetarian capsules, I know a lot of people have a hard time with the gelatin and of course one doesn't know the actual source of the gelatin. I don't think most companies care if the gelatin is from organic free range fed animals...lol Have a healthy and happy New Year! Sincerely, lulu - >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 4, 2002 Is the shredded coconut, raw coconut? Donna In a message dated 12/31/01 6:24:47 PM, demi111 writes: << My favorite addition is coconut. You can purchase the whole coconut or use shredded coconut. They add a delightful flavor and are an excellent source of fat to balance the meal. The have medium chain triglycierides which have many health benefits. >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 4, 2002 John, I'll put my bottom dollar with your bottom dollar on that. Ron _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <> > > John Polifronio > 1/3/2002 5:48:09 PM > Gettingwell > Re: juicing > > > > > > Ron > > The " proof " may have come from a medical journal, but I'll bet my bottom > > dollar that Mercola coompletely bought the story, and published it on his > > website for our benefit. > > - > > " the desert_rat " > > To: > > Thursday, January 03, 2002 6:26 AM > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > John, > > > I agree with you that Dr. Mercola does have a bad idea or two but the > > > claim of proof of the existence of the soul comes not from him but from > > > the esteemed British medical journal the Lancet. He merely reprinted it. > > > I did not find it proof enough for me however. > > > > > > Ron > > > _____________ > > > Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at > > > http://www.mail2world.com > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > > John Polifronio > > > > 1/2/2002 7:14:01 PM > > > > Gettingwell > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Mercola has some good ideas, and some bad ideas. He may have > > > concerns > > > > > > > > about carrot juice; but, in his current e-mail alert, he claims to be > > > able > > > > > > > > to proove the existence of the " soul. " The healthiest period of my > > > life, > > > > > > > > was that period during which I was drinking the largest amounts of > > > carrot > > > > > > > > juice (alone), carrot-celery juice, carrot-celery-apple juice, etc. I > > > had > > > > > > > > endless strength, never got sick, slept like a baby, " re-grew " hair I > > > had > > > > > > > > lost, never had weight or energy problems, and was relaxed and > > > clear-headed. > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > " the desert_rat " > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Wednesday, January 02, 2002 6:11 PM > > > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Chuck, > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your input on the Vita-Mix. > > > > > > > > > Dr. Mercola on carrot juicing :Most people who juice usually use > > > > > > > > > carrots. Do you know why? Of course because they taste so good. The > > > > > > > > > reason they taste so good is that they are full of sugar. I would > > > > > > > > > definitely advise limiting juicing all underground vegetables to > > > > > > > > > decrease adverse insulin responses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Was it Pogo who said " We have seen the enemy and he is us " ? > > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > _____________ > > > > > > > > > Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at > > > > > > > > > http://www.mail2world.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cking001 > > > > > > > > > > 1/2/2002 8:36:22 PM > > > > > > > > > > Gettingwell > > > > > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've got a Vita-Mix and love it. The only disappointment was > > > trying > > > > > > > > > for carrot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > juice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pogo ergo possum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:13:47 -0800, " the desert_rat " wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm wanting to buy a new juicer and looking at the Vita Mix. I > > > think > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >is okay to leave the fiber in and the Vita Mix cleans easily. I'm > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >lazy to take a juicer apart to clean it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building > > > health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and well being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subscription and list archives are at: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gettingwell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 4, 2002 Hi John, I've put up this url twice before about Dr. Mercola and juicing. Have a look. http://www.mercola.com/forms/juicing.htm I firmly believe that regular vegetable juicing may be one of the keys to good health as it is an important source of raw food, which contains chlorophyll and phytonutrients. Dr. Mercola Ron _____________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <> > > John Polifronio > 1/3/2002 6:01:05 PM > Gettingwell > Re: juicing > > > > > > Well Mercola doesn't know what he's talking about, if he suggests that > > juicing veggies and fruit is bad for people. Juicing of foods, is extremely > > well regarded throughout the natural health movement, everywhere in the > > world, as a method for retrieving lost health, and supplying excellent > > nutrition to tired, worn out bodies. I've been in constant contact with > > numerous persons that regularly drink extracted juices, and they exhibit the > > best health of all the people I know. > > My doctor prescribed the use of juicing, only when it's accompanied by the > > consumption of whole foods. For breakfast, for example, he advised me to > > eat the following: 1 cup (max. 8ozs) of freshly made veg. juice, followed by > > a serving of fresh fruit, a few leaves of lettuce, and an oz of sunflower or > > pumpkin seeds. For lunch, it was another cup of juice, followed by a huge > > vegetable salad, and 3 ozs of raw, unsalted nuts. Mercola should actually > > try a diet of this kind, and tell us what he actually finds out after a > > month or so, instead of making pronouncements based on what he currently > > " thinks. " > > - > > " the desert_rat " > > To: > > Thursday, January 03, 2002 6:21 AM > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > John, > > > I guess Dr. Mercola Thinks that sugar is sugar is sugar. > > > > > > Ron > > > _____________ > > > Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at > > > http://www.mail2world.com > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > > John Polifronio > > > > 1/2/2002 7:08:40 PM > > > > Gettingwell > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I drank thousands of servings of carrot juice, over the years, without > > > > > > > > experiencing > > > > > > > > " adverse insulin responses. " > > > > > > > > Of course, my whole diet was a good one at that time, so my digestive > > > tract > > > > > > > > and sugar metabolism were normal. > > > > > > > > What it is advisable or inadvisable to do, nutritionally, or in our > > > diets, > > > > > > > > is very different when we're seriously ill compared to what we can do > > > when > > > > > > > > we're in good health. > > > > > > > > I suffer from angina, which makes walking briskly, painful. That's no > > > > > > > > argument against walking briskly though, is it? > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > " the desert_rat " > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Wednesday, January 02, 2002 6:11 PM > > > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Chuck, > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your input on the Vita-Mix. > > > > > > > > > Dr. Mercola on carrot juicing :Most people who juice usually use > > > > > > > > > carrots. Do you know why? Of course because they taste so good. The > > > > > > > > > reason they taste so good is that they are full of sugar. I would > > > > > > > > > definitely advise limiting juicing all underground vegetables to > > > > > > > > > decrease adverse insulin responses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Was it Pogo who said " We have seen the enemy and he is us " ? > > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > _____________ > > > > > > > > > Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at > > > > > > > > > http://www.mail2world.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cking001 > > > > > > > > > > 1/2/2002 8:36:22 PM > > > > > > > > > > Gettingwell > > > > > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've got a Vita-Mix and love it. The only disappointment was > > > trying > > > > > > > > > for carrot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > juice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pogo ergo possum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:13:47 -0800, " the desert_rat " wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm wanting to buy a new juicer and looking at the Vita Mix. I > > > think > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >is okay to leave the fiber in and the Vita Mix cleans easily. I'm > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >lazy to take a juicer apart to clean it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building > > > health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and well being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subscription and list archives are at: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gettingwell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 4, 2002 ---I'm not aware of it if they do. Now has nuts,flaxseed meal,supplements and herbs only that I'm aware of. I do use their flaxseed meal and find it very reasonable! Regards, JoAnn dfnewman@a... wrote: > Is this the same company that makes essenmtial ois? > Thanks > Donna > In a message dated 12/31/01 11:31:00 PM, demi111@m... writes: > > << Oh Joann, > One more thing, the Now company uses only vegetarian capsules, I know a lot > of people have a hard time with the gelatin and of course one doesn't know > the actual source of the gelatin. I don't think most companies care if the > gelatin is from organic free range fed animals...lol > Have a healthy and happy New Year! > Sincerely, > lulu > - >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 5, 2002 Ron In your last post, you said that Mercola probably believed that " sugar is sugar is sugar. " I thought you were communicating Mercola's opinion of juicing. - " the desert_rat " <ron Friday, January 04, 2002 8:26 AM Re: juicing > Hi John, > I've put up this url twice before about Dr. Mercola and juicing. Have a > look. > > http://www.mercola.com/forms/juicing.htm > I firmly believe that regular vegetable juicing may be one of the keys > to good health as it is an important source of raw food, which contains > chlorophyll and phytonutrients. > Dr. Mercola > > Ron > _____________ > Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at > http://www.mail2world.com > > <> > > > > John Polifronio > > 1/3/2002 6:01:05 PM > > Gettingwell > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Mercola doesn't know what he's talking about, if he suggests that > > > > juicing veggies and fruit is bad for people. Juicing of foods, is > extremely > > > > well regarded throughout the natural health movement, everywhere in > the > > > > world, as a method for retrieving lost health, and supplying excellent > > > > nutrition to tired, worn out bodies. I've been in constant contact > with > > > > numerous persons that regularly drink extracted juices, and they > exhibit the > > > > best health of all the people I know. > > > > My doctor prescribed the use of juicing, only when it's accompanied by > the > > > > consumption of whole foods. For breakfast, for example, he advised me > to > > > > eat the following: 1 cup (max. 8ozs) of freshly made veg. juice, > followed by > > > > a serving of fresh fruit, a few leaves of lettuce, and an oz of > sunflower or > > > > pumpkin seeds. For lunch, it was another cup of juice, followed by a > huge > > > > vegetable salad, and 3 ozs of raw, unsalted nuts. Mercola should > actually > > > > try a diet of this kind, and tell us what he actually finds out after > a > > > > month or so, instead of making pronouncements based on what he > currently > > > > " thinks. " > > > > - > > > > " the desert_rat " > > > > To: > > > > Thursday, January 03, 2002 6:21 AM > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > John, > > > > > I guess Dr. Mercola Thinks that sugar is sugar is sugar. > > > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > _____________ > > > > > Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at > > > > > http://www.mail2world.com > > > > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > > > > > > John Polifronio > > > > > > 1/2/2002 7:08:40 PM > > > > > > Gettingwell > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I drank thousands of servings of carrot juice, over the years, > without > > > > > > > > > > > > experiencing > > > > > > > > > > > > " adverse insulin responses. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, my whole diet was a good one at that time, so my > digestive > > > > > tract > > > > > > > > > > > > and sugar metabolism were normal. > > > > > > > > > > > > What it is advisable or inadvisable to do, nutritionally, or in > our > > > > > diets, > > > > > > > > > > > > is very different when we're seriously ill compared to what we can > do > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > we're in good health. > > > > > > > > > > > > I suffer from angina, which makes walking briskly, painful. That's > no > > > > > > > > > > > > argument against walking briskly though, is it? > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > " the desert_rat " > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, January 02, 2002 6:11 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Chuck, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your input on the Vita-Mix. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Mercola on carrot juicing :Most people who juice usually use > > > > > > > > > > > > > carrots. Do you know why? Of course because they taste so good. > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason they taste so good is that they are full of sugar. I > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > definitely advise limiting juicing all underground vegetables to > > > > > > > > > > > > > decrease adverse insulin responses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Was it Pogo who said " We have seen the enemy and he is us " ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mail2world.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cking001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1/2/2002 8:36:22 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gettingwell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: juicing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've got a Vita-Mix and love it. The only disappointment was > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > > > > > > for carrot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > juice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pogo ergo possum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:13:47 -0800, " the desert_rat " wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm wanting to buy a new juicer and looking at the Vita Mix. > I > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >is okay to leave the fiber in and the Vita Mix cleans easily. > I'm > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >lazy to take a juicer apart to clean it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building > > > > > health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and well being. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To learn more about the Gettingwell group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subscription and list archives are at: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gettingwell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 5, 2002 --- Bea, Hello! I would think the principle would be the same. Just be careful to avoid high glycemic fruits and veggies. Carrots is one of the highest if I recall correctly...I have the list around somewhere. Compiled if for my neice. Vitamin E is excellent for controlling high sugar. Green beans has an chemical that restores the pancreas. My hubby is eating a lot of them these days. :-) some say that apples also are high glycemic...but there are conflicting views on that. " B. Hurd " <bhurd@r...> wrote: > Since we're on the subject, I was wondering if anyone had suggestions on > juicing for a diabetic. > > Bea > Email: bhurd@r... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
