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--- On Fri, 8/14/09, vembuiyer <vembuiyer wrote:vembuiyer <vembuiyerFwd: Ramayan ? Read and Research!"raman_tambaram" <raman_tambaramFriday, August 14, 2009, 3:30 PM============ Forwarded Mail ============From : Lakshmi Narayanan<lakshmisterTo : kln <klakshminarayanalDate : Fri, 14 Aug 2009 02:26:34

-0700Subject : Fwd: Ramayan ? Read and Research!============ Forwarded Mail ============Dear All, Who says Ramayan is a fiction? Read and get convinced. Scientists have also corroborated some of the facts. ------------------------ INTERESTING READING !!!!!!! SINCERE APPRECIATION FOR RESEARCH BY MR. PUSHKAR BHATNAGAR The following document

is the 'MOST' authentic scientific work that does not need further scientific verification. The story of Shri Ram's life was first narrated by Maharishi Valmiki in the Ramayana, which was written after Shri Ram was crowned as the king of Ayodhya. Maharishi Valmiki was a great astronomer as he has made sequential astronomical references on important dates related to the life of Shri Ram indicating the location of planets vis-a-vis zodiac constellations and the other stars (nakshatras) . Needless to add that similar position of planets and nakshatras is not repeated in thousands of years. By entering the precise details of the planetary configuration of the important events in the life of Shri Ram as given in the Valmiki Ramayan in the software named "Planetarium" corresponding exact dates of these events according to the English calendar can be known. Mr Pushkar Bhatnagar of the Indian

Revenue Service had acquired this software from the US.. It is used to predict the solar/lunar eclipses and distance and location of other planets from earth. He entered the relevant details about the planetary positions narrated by Maharishi Valmiki and obtained very interesting and convincing results, which almost determine the important dates starting from the birth of Shri Ram to the date of his coming back to Ayodhya after 14 years of exile. Maharishi Valmiki has recorded in Bal Kaand sarga 19 and shloka eight and nine (1/18/8,9) that Shri Ram was born on ninth tithi of Chaitra month when the position of different planets vis-a-vis zodiac constellations and nakshatras (visible stars) were: i) Sun in Aries; ii) Saturn in Libra; iii) Jupiter in Cancer; iv) Venus in Pisces; v) Mars in Capricorn; vi) Lunar month of Chaitra; vii) Ninth day after no moon; viii) Lagna as

Cancer (cancer was rising in the east); ix) Moon on the Punarvasu (Gemini constellation & Pllux star); x) Day time (around noon). This data was fed into the software. The results indicated that this was exactly the location of planets/stars in the noon of January 10, 5114 BC. Thus Shri Ram was born on January 10, 5114 BC (7123 years back). As per the Indian calendar it was the ninth day of Shukla Paksha in Chaitra month and the time was around 12 to 1 noontime. This is exactly the time and date when Ram Navmi is celebrated all over India. Shri Ram was born in Ayodhya. This fact can be ascertained from several books written by Indian and foreign authors before and after the birth of Christ - Valmiki Ramayan, Tulsi Ramayan, Kalidasa's Raghuvansam, Baudh and Jain literature, etc. These books have narrated in great detail the location, rich

architecture and beauty of Ayodhya which had many palaces and temples built all over the kingdom. Ayodhya was located on the banks of the Saryu river with Ganga and Panchal Pradesh on one side and Mithila on the other side. Normally 7,000 years is a very long period during which earthquakes, storms, floods and foreign invasions change the course of rivers, destroy the towns/buildings and alter the territories. Therefore, the task of unearthing the facts is monumental. The present Ayodhya has shrunk in size and the rivers have changed their course about 40 km north/south. Shri Ram went out of Ayodhya in his childhood (13th year as per Valmiki Ramayan) with Rishi Vishwamitra who lived in Tapovan (Sidhhashram) . From there he went to Mithila, King Janaka's kingdom. Here he married Sita after breaking Shiv Dhanusha. Researchers have gone along the route adopted by Shri Ram as narrated in

the Valmiki Ramayan and found 23 places which have memorials that commemorate the events related to the life of Shri Ram. These include Shringi Ashram, Ramghat, Tadka Van, Sidhhashram, Gautamashram, Janakpur (now in Nepal), Sita Kund, etc. Memorials are built for great men and not for fictitious characters. Date of exile of Shri Ram: It is mentioned in Valmiki Ramayan's Ayodhya Kand (2/4/18) that Dashratha wanted to make Shri Ram the king because Sun, Mars and Rahu had surrounded his nakshatra and normally under such planetary configuration the king dies or becomes a victim of conspiracies. Dashratha's zodiac sign was Pisces and his nakshatra was Rewati. This planetary configuration was prevailing on the January 5, 5089 BC, and it was on this day that Shri Ram left Ayodhya for 14 years of exile. Thus, he was 25 years old at that time (5114-5089). There are several shlokas in Valmiki Ramayan which

indicate that Shri Ram was 25-years-old when he left Ayodhya for exile. Valmiki Ramayan refers to the solar eclipse at the time of war with Khardushan in later half of 13th year of Shri Ram's exile. It is also mentioned it was amavasya day and Mars was in the middle ... When this data was entered, the software indicated that there was a solar eclipse on October 7, 5077 BC, (amavasya day) which could be seen from Panchvati. The planetary configuration was also the same - Mars was in the middle, on one side were Venus and Mercury and on the other side were Sun and Saturn. On the basis of planetary configurations described in various other chapters, the date on which Ravana was killed works out to be December 4, 5076 BC, and Shri Ram completed 14 years of exile on January 2, 5075 BC, and that day was also Navami of Shukla Paksha in Chaitra month. Thus Shri Ram had come

back to Ayodhya at the age of 39 (5114-5075). A colleague, Dr Ram Avtar, researched on places visited by Shri Ram during his exile, and sequentially moved to the places stated as visited by Shri Ram in the Valmiki Ramayan, starting from Ayodhya he went right upto Rameshwaram. He found 195 places which still have the memorials connected to the events narrated in the Ramayana relating to the life of Shri Ram and Sita. These include Tamsa Tal (Mandah), Shringverpur (Singraur), Bhardwaj Ashram (situated near Allahabad), Atri Ashram, Markandaya Ashram (Markundi), Chitrakoot, Pamakuti (on banks of Godavari), Panchvati, Sita Sarovar, Ram Kund in Triambakeshwar near Nasik, Shabari Ashram, Kishkindha (village Annagorai), Dhanushkoti and Rameshwar temple. In Valmiki Ramayan it is mentioned that Shri Ram's army constructed a bridge over the sea between Rameshwaram and Lanka.

After crossing this bridge, Shri Ram's army had defeated Ravana. Recently, NASA put pictures on the Internet of a man-made bridge, the ruins of which are lying submerged in Palk Strait between Rameshwaram and Sri Lanka. Recently the Sri Lankan Government had expressed the desire to develop Sita Vatika as a tourist spot. Sri Lankans believe this was Ashok Vatika where Ravana had kept Sita as a prisoner (in 5076 BC). Indian history has recorded that Shri Ram belonged to the Suryavansh and he was the 64th ruler of this dynasty. The names and other relevant particulars of previous 63 kings are listed in Ayodhya Ka Itihas written about 80 years ago by Rai Bahadur Sita Ram. Professor Subhash Kak of Lousiana University, in his book, The Astronomical Code of the Rig Veda, has also listed 63 ancestors of Shri Ram who ruled over Ayodhya. Sri Ram's ancestors have been traced out as: Shri Ram, King Dashratha, King Aja, King Raghu,

King Dilip and so on.. From Kashmir to Kanyakumari and from Bengal to Gujarat, everywhere people believe in the reality of Shri Ram's existence, particularly in the tribal areas of Himachal, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh and the North-East. Most of the festivals celebrated in these areas revolve around the events in the life of Shri Ram and Shri Krishna. The events and places related to the life of Shri Ram and Sita are true cultural and social heritage of every Indian irrespective of caste and creed. Therefore, it is common heritage. After all, Shri Ram belonged to the period when Prophet Mohammed or Jesus Christ were not born and Muslim or Christian faiths were unknown to the world. The words Hindu (resident of Hindustan) and Indian (resident of India) were synonymous.. India was also known as Bharat (land of knowledge) and Aryavarta (where Aryans live) and Hindustan (land of "Hindus" -

derived from word Indus). During Ram Rajya, the evils of caste system based on birth were non-existent. In fact, Maharishi Valmiki is stated to be of shudra class (scheduled caste), still Sita lived with him as his adopted daughter after she was banished from Ayodhya. Luv and Kush grew in his ashram as his disciples. We need to be proud of the fact that Valmiki was perhaps the first great astronomer and that his study of planetary configurations has stood the test of times. Even the latest computer softwares have corroborated his astronomical calculations, which proves that he did not commit any error. Shabari is stated to be belonging to the Bheel tribe. Shri Ram's army, which succeeded in defeating Ravana, was formed by various tribals from Central and South India.... The facts, events and all other details relating to the life of

Shri Ram are the common heritage of all the Indians including scheduled castes, scheduled tribes, Muslims, Christians, etc. Prophet Mohammad was born 1,400 years ago. Jesus Christ was born 2,000 years back. Gautam Buddha was born 2,600 years back, whereas Ram was born 7,000 years back. Hence, discovering the details relating to Shri Ram's life would be lot more difficult as destruction caused by floods, earthquakes and invasions etc., would be far greater. But, should that stop our quest for learning more about our cultural heritage? As Indians, let us all take pride in the fact that the Indian civilisation is the most ancient civilisation today. It is certainly more than 10,000 years old. Therefore, let us reject the story of Aryan invasion in India in 1,500 BC as motivated implantation. In fact Max Mueller, who was the creator of

this theory had himself rejected it. Let us admit that during the British Rule, we were educated in the schools based on Macaulay school of thinking which believed that everything Indian was inferior and that entire "Indian literature was not worth even one book rack in England". If there were similarities in certain features of Indian people and people from Central Europe, then automatic inference drawn was that the Aryans coming from Europe invaded India and settled here. No one dared of thinking in any other way. Therefore, there is urgency for the historians and all other intellectuals to stop reducing Indian history to myth. There is need to gather, dig out, search, unearth and analyze all the evidences, which would throw more light on ancient Indian civilization and culture.

-------------------- K.Lakshminarayanan

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Dear Swamin,

Namaskaram!

Many many thanks for dhevareer's forward. Regards.

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Dear All,Who says Ramayan is a fiction?Read and get convinced.Scientists have also corroborated some of the facts.------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------INTERESTING READING !!!!!!!SINCERE APPRECIATION FOR RESEARCH BY MR. PUSHKAR BHATNAGARThe following document is the 'MOST' authentic scientific work that does not need further scientific verification.The story of Shri Ram's life was first narrated by Maharishi Valmiki in the Ramayana, which was written after Shri Ram was crowned as the king of Ayodhya. Maharishi Valmiki was a great astronomer as he has made sequential

astronomical references on important dates related to the life of Shri Ram indicating the location of planets vis-a-vis zodiac constellations and the other stars (nakshatras) . Needless to add that similar position of planets and nakshatras is not repeated in thousands of years. By entering the precise details of the planetary configuration of the important events in the life of Shri Ram as given in the Valmiki Ramayan in the software named "Planetarium" corresponding exact dates of these events according to the English calendar can be known.Mr Pushkar Bhatnagar of the Indian Revenue Service had acquired thissoftware from the US.. It is used to predict the solar/lunar eclipses anddistance and location of other planets from earth. He entered the relevant details about the planetary positions narrated by Maharishi Valmiki and obtained very interesting and convincing results,which

almost determine the important dates starting from the birth of Shri Ram to the date of his coming back to Ayodhya after 14 years of exile.Maharishi Valmiki has recorded in Bal Kaand sarga 19 and shloka eight and nine (1/18/8,9) that Shri Ram was born on ninth tithi of Chaitra month when the position of different planets vis-a-vis zodiac constellations and nakshatras (visible stars) were: i) Sun in Aries; ii) Saturn in Libra; iii) Jupiter in Cancer; iv) Venus in Pisces; v) Mars in Capricorn; vi) Lunar month of Chaitra; vii) Ninth day after no moon; viii) Lagna as Cancer (cancer was rising in the east); ix) Moon on the Punarvasu (Gemini constellation & Pllux star); x) Day time (around noon).This data was fed into the software. The results indicated that this wasexactly the location of planets/stars in the noon of January 10, 5114 BC.Thus Shri Ram was born on

January 10, 5114 BC (7123 years back). As per the Indian calendar it was the ninth day of Shukla Paksha in Chaitra month and the time was around 12 to 1 noontime. This is exactly the time and date when Ram Navmi is celebrated all over India.Shri Ram was born in Ayodhya. This fact can be ascertained from several books written by Indian and foreign authors before and after the birth of Christ - Valmiki Ramayan, Tulsi Ramayan, Kalidasa's Raghuvansam, Baudh and Jain literature, etc. These books have narrated in great detail the location, rich architecture and beauty of Ayodhya which had many palaces and temples built all over the kingdom. Ayodhya was located on the banks of the Saryu river with Ganga and Panchal Pradesh on one side and Mithila on the other side. Normally 7,000 years is a very long period during which earthquakes, storms, floods and foreign invasions change the course of rivers, destroy the towns/buildings and

alter the territories.Therefore, the task of unearthing the facts is monumental. The presentAyodhya has shrunk in size and the rivers have changed their course about 40 km north/south.Shri Ram went out of Ayodhya in his childhood (13th year as per Valmiki Ramayan) with Rishi Vishwamitra who lived in Tapovan (Sidhhashram) . From there he went to Mithila, King Janaka's kingdom. Here he married Sita after breaking Shiv Dhanusha. Researchers have gone along the route adopted by Shri Ram as narrated in the Valmiki Ramayan and found 23 places which have memorials that commemorate the events related to the life of Shri Ram. Theseinclude Shringi Ashram, Ramghat, Tadka Van, Sidhhashram, Gautamashram, Janakpur (now in Nepal), Sita Kund, etc. Memorials are built for great men and not for fictitious characters.Date of exile of Shri Ram: It is mentioned in

Valmiki Ramayan's Ayodhya Kand (2/4/18) that Dashratha wanted to make Shri Ram the king because Sun, Mars and Rahu had surrounded his nakshatra and normally under such planetary configuration the king dies or becomes a victim of conspiracies. Dashratha's zodiac sign was Pisces and his nakshatra was Rewati. This planetary configuration was prevailing on the January 5, 5089 BC, and it was on this day that Shri Ram left Ayodhya for 14 years of exile. Thus, he was 25 years old at that time (5114-5089). There are several shlokas in Valmiki Ramayan which indicate that Shri Ram was 25-years-old when he left Ayodhya forexile.Valmiki Ramayan refers to the solar eclipse at the time of war withKhardushan in later half of 13th year of Shri Ram's exile. It is alsomentioned it was amavasya day and Mars was in the middle ... When this data was entered, the software indicated that there was a

solar eclipse on October 7, 5077 BC, (amavasya day) which could be seen from Panchvati. The planetary configuration was also the same - Mars was in the middle, on one side were Venus and Mercury and on the other side were Sun and Saturn. On the basis of planetary configurations described in various other chapters, the date on which Ravana was killed works out to be December 4, 5076 BC, and Shri Ram completed 14 years of exile on January 2, 5075 BC, and that day was also Navami of Shukla Paksha in Chaitra month. Thus Shri Ram had come back to Ayodhya at the age of 39 (5114-5075).A colleague, Dr Ram Avtar, researched on places visited by Shri Ram during his exile, and sequentially moved to the places stated as visited by Shri Ram in the Valmiki Ramayan, starting from Ayodhya he went right upto Rameshwaram. He found 195 places which still have the memorials connected to the events narrated in the Ramayana relating to the life

of Shri Ram and Sita. These include Tamsa Tal (Mandah), Shringverpur (Singraur), Bhardwaj Ashram (situated near Allahabad), Atri Ashram, Markandaya Ashram (Markundi), Chitrakoot, Pamakuti (on banks of Godavari), Panchvati, Sita Sarovar, Ram Kund in Triambakeshwar near Nasik, Shabari Ashram, Kishkindha (villageAnnagorai), Dhanushkoti and Rameshwar temple.In Valmiki Ramayan it is mentioned that Shri Ram's army constructed a bridge over the sea between Rameshwaram and Lanka. After crossing this bridge, Shri Ram's army had defeated Ravana. Recently, NASA put pictures on the Internet of a man-made bridge, the ruins of which are lying submerged in Palk Strait between Rameshwaram and Sri Lanka. Recently the Sri Lankan Government had expressed the desire to develop Sita Vatika as a tourist spot. Sri Lankans believe this was Ashok Vatika where Ravana had kept Sita as a prisoner (in 5076 BC).Indian history has recorded that Shri Ram belonged to the Suryavansh and he was the 64th ruler of this dynasty. The names and other relevant particulars of previous 63 kings are listed in Ayodhya Ka Itihas written about 80 years ago by Rai Bahadur Sita Ram. Professor Subhash Kak of Lousiana University, in his book, The Astronomical Code of the Rig Veda, has also listed 63 ancestors of Shri Ram who ruled over Ayodhya. Sri Ram's ancestors have been traced out as: Shri Ram, King Dashratha, King Aja, King Raghu, King Dilip and so on.. From Kashmir to Kanyakumari and from Bengal to Gujarat, everywhere people believe in the reality of Shri Ram's existence, particularly in the tribal areas of Himachal, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh and the North-East. Most of the festivals celebrated in these areas revolve around the events in the life of Shri Ram and Shri Krishna.The events and places related to the life of Shri Ram and

Sita are truecultural and social heritage of every Indian irrespective of caste andcreed. Therefore, it is common heritage. After all, Shri Ram belonged to the period when Prophet Mohammed or Jesus Christ were not born and Muslim or Christian faiths were unknown to the world. The words Hindu (resident of Hindustan) and Indian (resident of India) were synonymous.. India was also known as Bharat (land of knowledge) and Aryavarta (where Aryans live) and Hindustan (land of "Hindus" - derived from word Indus).During Ram Rajya, the evils of caste system based on birth werenon-existent. In fact, Maharishi Valmiki is stated to be of shudra class(scheduled caste), still Sita lived with him as his adopted daughter aftershe was banished from Ayodhya. Luv and Kush grew in his ashram as his disciples. We need to be proud of the fact that Valmiki was perhaps the

first great astronomer and that his study of planetary configurations has stood the test of times. Even the latest computer softwares havecorroborated his astronomical calculations, which proves that he did not commit any error.Shabari is stated to be belonging to the Bheel tribe. Shri Ram's army, which succeeded in defeating Ravana, was formed by various tribals from Central and South India.... The facts, events and all other details relating to the life of Shri Ram are the common heritage of all the Indians including scheduled castes, scheduled tribes, Muslims, Christians, etc.Prophet Mohammad was born 1,400 years ago. Jesus Christ was born 2,000 years back. Gautam Buddha was born 2,600 years back, whereas Ram was born 7,000 years back. Hence, discovering the details relating to Shri Ram's life would be lot more difficult as destruction caused by floods, earthquakes and invasions etc., would

be far greater. But, should that stop our quest for learning more about our cultural heritage?As Indians, let us all take pride in the fact that the Indian civilisationis the most ancient civilisation today. It is certainly more than 10,000years old. Therefore, let us reject the story of Aryan invasion in India in1,500 BC as motivated implantation. In fact Max Mueller, who was the creator of this theory had himself rejected it. Let us admit that during the British Rule, we were educated in the schools based on Macaulay school of thinking which believed that everything Indian was inferior and that entire "Indian literature was not worth even one book rack in England". If there were similarities in certain features of Indian people and people from Central Europe, then automatic inference drawn was that the Aryans coming from Europe invaded India and settled here. No one dared of

thinking in any other way. Therefore, there is urgency for the historians and all other intellectuals to stop reducing Indian history to myth. There is need to gather, dig out, search, unearth and analyze all the evidences, which would throw more light on ancient Indian civilization and culture.------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----------- K.Lakshminarayanan

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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha.

Srimath Varavaramunaye Namaha.

 

Dear Bhaktas,

 

The dates given by these scholars should never be taken seriously. Either they

say its a myth, or provide some unconvincing proof that the Ramayana was a

history of some 'human king' named Rama that took place in 5000 BC. In my

opinion, the latter group falls into the category of 'astika nastika'.

 

This 'research' ignores the fact that the ancient sages have mentioned the

Ramayana to take place in the Treta Yuga, which is over 2 million years ago (and

if we take the sandhis into account, it pushes the date back). Furthermore, it

seems to possess a massive inferiority complex and a defiant attitude with

respect to the 'foreigners' - note the emphasis on 'indian culture' and

'heritage'- rather than take the text for what it is - an account of the descent

of Sriman NarayaNa as Sri Rama. The aryan invasion theory itself is bogus, but

the scholars who attempt to refute it seem to be even more ignorant. They take

what they want out of the text and ignore any references to Rama's divinity. In

addition, they arrive at some 'date' based on a few assumptions of planets and

stars.

 

In short, they are more concerned in showing to the west that their 'indian

culture' is advanced (in other words, they are ashamed of their identity as an

indian) and abuse our sacred scriptures for their own ends.

 

One should not fail to remember Sri Kuratazhwan's Athimanusha Stavam. Sri Rama

was certainly Sriman NarayaNa and no mere human. Of course, this simply shows

that only true jnanis (and not these 'scholars') understand the avatara rahasyam

of Perumal.

 

Please remember the following words of GitAchAryan,

 

janma karma ca me divyam

evam yo vetti tattvatah

tyaktva deham punar janma

naiti mam eti so 'rjuna (Gita 4.9)

 

and

 

avyaktam vyaktim apannam

manyante mam abuddhayah

param bhavam ajananto

mamavyayam anuttamam (Gita 7.24)

 

For Vaidikas, any text that agrees with the Veda is authority. The veda is

apaurusheya, and hence, we can use it as a measuring stick for authored texts.

Ramayana agrees with Veda, and hence, we can stick to the conviction that it is

history because the text itself mentions that the events really happened. This

is not blind faith, but a conviction based on the theory of apaurusheyatva

validating a text. Please read Swami Desikan's wonderful works for a clear

picture.

 

This is the only proof that we need. Scholars claiming that a human named Rama

lived 7000 years ago should be brushed aside with disdain. I apologise if this

offends anyone.

 

And if anyone wants to see Rama, all they have to do is trek to Tiruvallur and

enjoy the beauty of Veeraraghavan!

 

Adiyen Sri Vaishnava Dasan,

 

Govindarajan.

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Namskaram

 

My humble thanks for sending such an authentic write-up on Lord Rama's birth etc., The article doesnt mention when He ascended to Heaven after His sojourn on earth. I would like this informaiton also to be added to such an informative write-up

 

Adiyen

Srirangam gopalan

 

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Vinjamoor Vijayaraghavan

ramanuja

Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:30 PM

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Srimathe Ramanujaya Nama:

Dear Swamin,

Namaskaram!

Many many thanks for dhevareer's forward. Regards.

Adiyen Ramanujadasan.--- On Sat, 15/8/09, ramanujam thiruvenkataswamy <raman_tambaram > wrote:

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Dear All,Who says Ramayan is a fiction?Read and get convinced.Scientists have also corroborated some of the facts.------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------INTERESTING READING !!!!!!!SINCERE APPRECIATION FOR RESEARCH BY MR. PUSHKAR BHATNAGARThe following document is the 'MOST' authentic scientific work that does not need further scientific verification.The story of Shri Ram's life was first narrated by Maharishi Valmiki in the Ramayana, which was written after Shri Ram was crowned as the king of Ayodhya. Maharishi Valmiki was a great astronomer as he has made sequential astronomical references on important dates related to the life of Shri Ram indicating the location of planets vis-a-vis zodiac constellations and the other stars (nakshatras) . Needless to add that similar position of planets and nakshatras is not repeated in thousands of years. By entering the precise details of the planetary configuration of the important events in the life of Shri Ram as given in the Valmiki Ramayan in the software named "Planetarium" corresponding exact dates of these events according to the English calendar can be known.Mr Pushkar Bhatnagar of the Indian Revenue Service had acquired thissoftware from the US.. It is used to predict the solar/lunar eclipses anddistance and location of other planets from earth. He entered the relevant details about the planetary positions narrated by Maharishi Valmiki and obtained very interesting and convincing results,which almost determine the important dates starting from the birth of Shri Ram to the date of his coming back to Ayodhya after 14 years of exile.Maharishi Valmiki has recorded in Bal Kaand sarga 19 and shloka eight and nine (1/18/8,9) that Shri Ram was born on ninth tithi of Chaitra month when the position of different planets vis-a-vis zodiac constellations and nakshatras (visible stars) were: i) Sun in Aries; ii) Saturn in Libra; iii) Jupiter in Cancer; iv) Venus in Pisces; v) Mars in Capricorn; vi) Lunar month of Chaitra; vii) Ninth day after no moon; viii) Lagna as Cancer (cancer was rising in the east); ix) Moon on the Punarvasu (Gemini constellation & Pllux star); x) Day time (around noon).This data was fed into the software. The results indicated that this wasexactly the location of planets/stars in the noon of January 10, 5114 BC.Thus Shri Ram was born on January 10, 5114 BC (7123 years back). As per the Indian calendar it was the ninth day of Shukla Paksha in Chaitra month and the time was around 12 to 1 noontime. This is exactly the time and date when Ram Navmi is celebrated all over India.Shri Ram was born in Ayodhya. This fact can be ascertained from several books written by Indian and foreign authors before and after the birth of Christ - Valmiki Ramayan, Tulsi Ramayan, Kalidasa's Raghuvansam, Baudh and Jain literature, etc. These books have narrated in great detail the location, rich architecture and beauty of Ayodhya which had many palaces and temples built all over the kingdom. Ayodhya was located on the banks of the Saryu river with Ganga and Panchal Pradesh on one side and Mithila on the other side. Normally 7,000 years is a very long period during which earthquakes, storms, floods and foreign invasions change the course of rivers, destroy the towns/buildings and alter the territories.Therefore, the task of unearthing the facts is monumental. The presentAyodhya has shrunk in size and the rivers have changed their course about 40 km north/south.Shri Ram went out of Ayodhya in his childhood (13th year as per Valmiki Ramayan) with Rishi Vishwamitra who lived in Tapovan (Sidhhashram) . From there he went to Mithila, King Janaka's kingdom. Here he married Sita after breaking Shiv Dhanusha. Researchers have gone along the route adopted by Shri Ram as narrated in the Valmiki Ramayan and found 23 places which have memorials that commemorate the events related to the life of Shri Ram. Theseinclude Shringi Ashram, Ramghat, Tadka Van, Sidhhashram, Gautamashram, Janakpur (now in Nepal), Sita Kund, etc. Memorials are built for great men and not for fictitious characters.Date of exile of Shri Ram: It is mentioned in Valmiki Ramayan's Ayodhya Kand (2/4/18) that Dashratha wanted to make Shri Ram the king because Sun, Mars and Rahu had surrounded his nakshatra and normally under such planetary configuration the king dies or becomes a victim of conspiracies. Dashratha's zodiac sign was Pisces and his nakshatra was Rewati. This planetary configuration was prevailing on the January 5, 5089 BC, and it was on this day that Shri Ram left Ayodhya for 14 years of exile. Thus, he was 25 years old at that time (5114-5089). There are several shlokas in Valmiki Ramayan which indicate that Shri Ram was 25-years-old when he left Ayodhya forexile.Valmiki Ramayan refers to the solar eclipse at the time of war withKhardushan in later half of 13th year of Shri Ram's exile. It is alsomentioned it was amavasya day and Mars was in the middle ... When this data was entered, the software indicated that there was a solar eclipse on October 7, 5077 BC, (amavasya day) which could be seen from Panchvati. The planetary configuration was also the same - Mars was in the middle, on one side were Venus and Mercury and on the other side were Sun and Saturn. On the basis of planetary configurations described in various other chapters, the date on which Ravana was killed works out to be December 4, 5076 BC, and Shri Ram completed 14 years of exile on January 2, 5075 BC, and that day was also Navami of Shukla Paksha in Chaitra month. Thus Shri Ram had come back to Ayodhya at the age of 39 (5114-5075).A colleague, Dr Ram Avtar, researched on places visited by Shri Ram during his exile, and sequentially moved to the places stated as visited by Shri Ram in the Valmiki Ramayan, starting from Ayodhya he went right upto Rameshwaram. He found 195 places which still have the memorials connected to the events narrated in the Ramayana relating to the life of Shri Ram and Sita. These include Tamsa Tal (Mandah), Shringverpur (Singraur), Bhardwaj Ashram (situated near Allahabad), Atri Ashram, Markandaya Ashram (Markundi), Chitrakoot, Pamakuti (on banks of Godavari), Panchvati, Sita Sarovar, Ram Kund in Triambakeshwar near Nasik, Shabari Ashram, Kishkindha (villageAnnagorai), Dhanushkoti and Rameshwar temple.In Valmiki Ramayan it is mentioned that Shri Ram's army constructed a bridge over the sea between Rameshwaram and Lanka. After crossing this bridge, Shri Ram's army had defeated Ravana. Recently, NASA put pictures on the Internet of a man-made bridge, the ruins of which are lying submerged in Palk Strait between Rameshwaram and Sri Lanka. Recently the Sri Lankan Government had expressed the desire to develop Sita Vatika as a tourist spot. Sri Lankans believe this was Ashok Vatika where Ravana had kept Sita as a prisoner (in 5076 BC).Indian history has recorded that Shri Ram belonged to the Suryavansh and he was the 64th ruler of this dynasty. The names and other relevant particulars of previous 63 kings are listed in Ayodhya Ka Itihas written about 80 years ago by Rai Bahadur Sita Ram. Professor Subhash Kak of Lousiana University, in his book, The Astronomical Code of the Rig Veda, has also listed 63 ancestors of Shri Ram who ruled over Ayodhya. Sri Ram's ancestors have been traced out as: Shri Ram, King Dashratha, King Aja, King Raghu, King Dilip and so on.. From Kashmir to Kanyakumari and from Bengal to Gujarat, everywhere people believe in the reality of Shri Ram's existence, particularly in the tribal areas of Himachal, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh and the North-East. Most of the festivals celebrated in these areas revolve around the events in the life of Shri Ram and Shri Krishna.The events and places related to the life of Shri Ram and Sita are truecultural and social heritage of every Indian irrespective of caste andcreed. Therefore, it is common heritage. After all, Shri Ram belonged to the period when Prophet Mohammed or Jesus Christ were not born and Muslim or Christian faiths were unknown to the world. The words Hindu (resident of Hindustan) and Indian (resident of India) were synonymous.. India was also known as Bharat (land of knowledge) and Aryavarta (where Aryans live) and Hindustan (land of "Hindus" - derived from word Indus).During Ram Rajya, the evils of caste system based on birth werenon-existent. In fact, Maharishi Valmiki is stated to be of shudra class(scheduled caste), still Sita lived with him as his adopted daughter aftershe was banished from Ayodhya. Luv and Kush grew in his ashram as his disciples. We need to be proud of the fact that Valmiki was perhaps the first great astronomer and that his study of planetary configurations has stood the test of times. Even the latest computer softwares havecorroborated his astronomical calculations, which proves that he did not commit any error.Shabari is stated to be belonging to the Bheel tribe. Shri Ram's army, which succeeded in defeating Ravana, was formed by various tribals from Central and South India.... The facts, events and all other details relating to the life of Shri Ram are the common heritage of all the Indians including scheduled castes, scheduled tribes, Muslims, Christians, etc.Prophet Mohammad was born 1,400 years ago. Jesus Christ was born 2,000 years back. Gautam Buddha was born 2,600 years back, whereas Ram was born 7,000 years back. Hence, discovering the details relating to Shri Ram's life would be lot more difficult as destruction caused by floods, earthquakes and invasions etc., would be far greater. But, should that stop our quest for learning more about our cultural heritage?As Indians, let us all take pride in the fact that the Indian civilisationis the most ancient civilisation today. It is certainly more than 10,000years old. Therefore, let us reject the story of Aryan invasion in India in1,500 BC as motivated implantation. In fact Max Mueller, who was the creator of this theory had himself rejected it. Let us admit that during the British Rule, we were educated in the schools based on Macaulay school of thinking which believed that everything Indian was inferior and that entire "Indian literature was not worth even one book rack in England". If there were similarities in certain features of Indian people and people from Central Europe, then automatic inference drawn was that the Aryans coming from Europe invaded India and settled here. No one dared of thinking in any other way. Therefore, there is urgency for the historians and all other intellectuals to stop reducing Indian history to myth. There is need to gather, dig out, search, unearth and analyze all the evidences, which would throw more light on ancient Indian civilization and culture.------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----------- K.Lakshminarayanan

 

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SrI govindarajan!

you are 100 % true .

adiyEn,

rAmAnuja dAsan.

 

--- On Wed, 26/8/09, govi85 <govi85 wrote:

 

> govi85 <govi85

> Re: [sri ramanuja] Fwd: Ramayan ? Read and Research!

> ramanuja

> Wednesday, 26 August, 2009, 10:08 AM

> Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha.

> Srimath Varavaramunaye Namaha.

>

> Dear Bhaktas,

>

> The dates given by these scholars should never be taken

> seriously. Either they say its a myth, or provide some

> unconvincing proof that the Ramayana was a history of some

> 'human king' named Rama that took place in 5000 BC. In my

> opinion, the latter group falls into the category of 'astika

> nastika'.

>

> This 'research' ignores the fact that the ancient sages

> have mentioned the Ramayana to take place in the Treta Yuga,

> which is over 2 million years ago (and if we take the

> sandhis into account, it pushes the date back). Furthermore,

> it seems to possess a massive inferiority complex and a

> defiant attitude with respect to the 'foreigners' - note the

> emphasis on 'indian culture' and 'heritage'- rather than

> take the text for what it is - an account of the descent of

> Sriman NarayaNa as Sri Rama. The aryan invasion theory

> itself is bogus, but the scholars who attempt to refute it

> seem to be even more ignorant. They take what they want out

> of the text and ignore any references to Rama's divinity. In

> addition, they arrive at some 'date' based on a few

> assumptions of planets and stars.

>

> In short, they are more concerned in showing to the west

> that their 'indian culture' is advanced (in other words,

> they are ashamed of their identity as an indian) and abuse

> our sacred scriptures for their own ends.

>

> One should not fail to remember Sri Kuratazhwan's

> Athimanusha Stavam. Sri Rama was certainly Sriman NarayaNa

> and no mere human. Of course, this simply shows that only

> true jnanis (and not these 'scholars') understand the

> avatara rahasyam of Perumal.

>

> Please remember the following words of GitAchAryan,

>

> janma karma ca me divyam

> evam yo vetti tattvatah

> tyaktva deham punar janma

> naiti mam eti so 'rjuna (Gita 4.9)

>

> and

>

> avyaktam vyaktim apannam

> manyante mam abuddhayah

> param bhavam ajananto

> mamavyayam anuttamam (Gita 7.24)

>

> For Vaidikas, any text that agrees with the Veda is

> authority. The veda is apaurusheya, and hence, we can use it

> as a measuring stick for authored texts. Ramayana agrees

> with Veda, and hence, we can stick to the conviction that it

> is history because the text itself mentions that the events

> really happened. This is not blind faith, but a conviction

> based on the theory of apaurusheyatva validating a text.

> Please read Swami Desikan's wonderful works for a clear

> picture.

>

> This is the only proof that we need. Scholars claiming that

> a human named Rama lived 7000 years ago should be brushed

> aside with disdain. I apologise if this offends anyone.

>

> And if anyone wants to see Rama, all they have to do is

> trek to Tiruvallur and enjoy the beauty of Veeraraghavan!

>

> Adiyen Sri Vaishnava Dasan,

>

> Govindarajan.

>

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

[Guest guest]

Totally agree... Thanks for taking the responsibility to clarify

to the group.

 

Best regards

 

N Rangarajan

 

 

 

ramanuja

[ramanuja ] On Behalf Of govi85

Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:09 AM

ramanuja

Re: [sri ramanuja] Fwd: Ramayan ? Read and Research!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha.

Srimath Varavaramunaye Namaha.

 

Dear Bhaktas,

 

The dates given by these scholars should never be taken seriously. Either they

say its a myth, or provide some unconvincing proof that the Ramayana was a

history of some 'human king' named Rama that took place in 5000 BC. In my

opinion, the latter group falls into the category of 'astika nastika'.

 

This 'research' ignores the fact that the ancient sages have mentioned the

Ramayana to take place in the Treta Yuga, which is over 2 million years ago

(and if we take the sandhis into account, it pushes the date back).

Furthermore, it seems to possess a massive inferiority complex and a defiant

attitude with respect to the 'foreigners' - note the emphasis on 'indian

culture' and 'heritage'- rather than take the text for what it is - an account

of the descent of Sriman NarayaNa as Sri Rama. The aryan invasion theory itself

is bogus, but the scholars who attempt to refute it seem to be even more

ignorant. They take what they want out of the text and ignore any references to

Rama's divinity. In addition, they arrive at some 'date' based on a few

assumptions of planets and stars.

 

In short, they are more concerned in showing to the west that their 'indian

culture' is advanced (in other words, they are ashamed of their identity as an

indian) and abuse our sacred scriptures for their own ends.

 

One should not fail to remember Sri Kuratazhwan's Athimanusha Stavam. Sri Rama

was certainly Sriman NarayaNa and no mere human. Of course, this simply shows

that only true jnanis (and not these 'scholars') understand the avatara

rahasyam of Perumal.

 

Please remember the following words of GitAchAryan,

 

janma karma ca me divyam

evam yo vetti tattvatah

tyaktva deham punar janma

naiti mam eti so 'rjuna (Gita 4.9)

 

and

 

avyaktam vyaktim apannam

manyante mam abuddhayah

param bhavam ajananto

mamavyayam anuttamam (Gita 7.24)

 

For Vaidikas, any text that agrees with the Veda is authority. The veda is

apaurusheya, and hence, we can use it as a measuring stick for authored texts.

Ramayana agrees with Veda, and hence, we can stick to the conviction that it is

history because the text itself mentions that the events really happened. This

is not blind faith, but a conviction based on the theory of apaurusheyatva

validating a text. Please read Swami Desikan's wonderful works for a clear

picture.

 

This is the only proof that we need. Scholars claiming that a human named Rama

lived 7000 years ago should be brushed aside with disdain. I apologise if this

offends anyone.

 

And if anyone wants to see Rama, all they have to do is trek to Tiruvallur and

enjoy the beauty of Veeraraghavan!

 

Adiyen Sri Vaishnava Dasan,

 

Govindarajan.

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear sri vaishnava perunthagaiyeer,

 

First of all my reaction

to this 'raama's time' business based on a US developed software is a

reserved one. Already I exchanged my observations in regard to the

time of raama with sri Vartak another writer, [may be three years

ago], wherein our other learned writer Mrs. Jayasree saranathan also

gave her view points. For

the software

developer/s whom so ever it is would have based all his assumptions

of planetary positions from the recent days and then go back to

predict the past days.

 

So any tilt or

deviations in the planets' angular positions, [forget about an early

period of previous yugams], which perhaps may be in seconds or even

milliseconds of degrees, may also give a twist to the calculations

of dates and thereby lead to an error in prediction of these dates.

 

The developer,

perhaps, may or may not have any idea about the 'chathur yuga'

system which bhaaratha dhEsam considers in its time calculations.

Also the manvantharams and in which particular manvantharam's

'thretha' or 'dhvaapara' yugam for raama and krishna avathaarams, -

again which is unique to bhaaratham only.

 

Just based on the

prediction of eclipses, if one has to conclude dates of raama,

perhaps just same planetary positions causing eclipses could have

repeated in previous yugams also. Can any one of the present day

scientists rule out this possibility, when they are not even

thinking about previous yugams?

 

Since the software

does not cater for previous yugams into its account, I have my

doubts on any repeatable position of same planetary positions in

previous yugams.

 

As such a

calculation based on these likely repeatable positions itself is

only an imagination – anumaanam. So instead of basing on such, let

us go with vaalmeeki and be done with it.

 

This viewpoint does

not really in any way degrade the sincere attempt of Sri Vartak, Bhatnagar

or likes of him, his book or that unknown software developer who gave that

wonderful programme.

 

Since this topic has

appeared once, twice, and thrice, why a repeated attempt to do same

– as though we have completely exhausted all other topics.

 

 

Comments are welcome. And

I make it clear once again that I am not for a 'e mail fighting',

which I have faced in few earlier occassions when I wrote something in sriranga sri or oppiliappan or malolan net groups.

Dhasan

Vasudevan MG