ALTERNATIVE TO UPAPADA FASTING

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MichalleThere are some points which are very grey and are not defined very well to be understood by say a person of my ability.There are some truth in what you say and some of which I would like to dis agree with you. From jyotish remedies what you say is absolutely correct and a wrong prescription of a mantra can do more damage than heal. However when one does not able to perform a specific mantra or fast in a particular day because of some reason, it does not mean that ha can not do it in any other time, as in his sankalpam he would have prayed for the same deity

and his offerings would reach the said deity if sincerely offered.The following is from Gita, Tapas means austerity or penance. There are many rules and definitions in the Vedas

which apply here, like rising early in the morning and taking a bath.

Sometimes it is very troublesome to rise early in the morning, but

whatever voluntary trouble one may suffer in this way is called

penance. Similarly, there are prescriptions for fasting on certain days

of the month. But if one determines to make advancement in the science of god, he should accept such bodily troubles which are

recommended. However, one should not fast unnecessarily or against

Vedic injunctions. One should not fast for some political purpose; that

is described in Bhagavad-gita as fasting in ignorance, and

anything done in ignorance or passion does not lead to spiritual

advancement. Everything done in the mode of goodness does advance one,

however, and fasting done in terms of the Vedic injunctions enriches

one in spiritual knowledge.

Any how, Gita is a vast ocean and you would end up with different understandings , and the point I am saying is, you sincerely offer the prayers and/or fast (as both of them are not materiallistic), according to your capabilities,(provided health permitting) and your prayers will bring you the fruits.Thanks and with best regardsLakshmanHare Rama Krsna ||Dear Narasimha,Claims that you can advise fasting on any day is equally "scary".Saying "NEVER" is scary too. It implies possessing a very high understanding.For example, I have met many people who practice various forms of brahmacharya and have seen it do a lot of harm that entering into a loving relationship could have prevented. I have seen people

do a lot of harm to themselves through meditation techniques without proper guidance.Mahatma Gandhi was also brahmacharya during his 'experiments' ? Would you say no harm was done?Medicine can be harmful if not properly prescribed, or it can have side effects, some of which can be 'dangerous'. This can be extended to

Vedic remedies also. A wrongly prescribed mantra may harm a person because it did not give the results the person was expecting. This is a *simple* example.It is not (in my opinion) illogical to suggest that harm or danger could be the result of performing an action (such as fasting) because that action may have *contact* with malefic planets/houses/ combinations etc.What is illogical is suggesting that there are certain actions (like fasting) that are immune and incapable of having bad results! The Gita teaches that results are not always assured simply because of certain actions. So where is this action with 100% guarenteed results?____________ _________ _________ _________ ____My feeling is that there may be something else on your mind, that we're really not addressing here regarding Jyotish and your relationship with it. If so, then let us know. If not, then please excuse

me.Respectfully,Michal

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Hare Rama Krsna ||Dear Lakshman,I agree with you fully. This is exactly what everyone should believe.However, if we can be more specific with Jyotish, then that will benefit immensely.Regards,MichalLakshman Brahma <lbrahmasohamsa Sent: Tuesday, 10 February, 2009

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MichalleThere are some points which are very grey and are not defined very well to be understood by say a person of my ability.There are some truth in what you say and some of which I would like to dis agree with you. From jyotish remedies what you say is absolutely correct and a wrong prescription of a mantra can do more damage than heal. However when one does not able to perform a specific mantra or fast in a particular day because of some reason, it does not mean that ha can not do it in any

other time, as in his sankalpam he would have prayed for the same deity

and his offerings would reach the said deity if sincerely offered.The following is from Gita, Tapas means austerity or penance. There are many rules and definitions in the Vedas

which apply here, like rising early in the morning and taking a bath.

Sometimes it is very troublesome to rise early in the morning, but

whatever voluntary trouble one may suffer in this way is called

penance. Similarly, there are prescriptions for fasting on certain days

of the month. But if one determines to make advancement in the science of god, he should accept such bodily troubles which are

recommended. However, one should not fast unnecessarily or against

Vedic injunctions. One should not fast for some political purpose; that

is described in Bhagavad-gita as fasting in ignorance, and

anything done in ignorance or passion does not lead to spiritual

advancement. Everything done in the mode of goodness does advance one,

however, and fasting done in terms of the Vedic injunctions enriches

one in spiritual knowledge.

Any how, Gita is a vast ocean and you would end up with different understandings , and the point I am saying is, you sincerely offer the prayers and/or fast (as both of them are not materiallistic) , according to your capabilities, (provided health permitting) and your prayers will bring you the fruits.Thanks and with best regardsLakshmanHare Rama Krsna ||Dear Narasimha,Claims that you can advise fasting on any day is equally "scary".Saying "NEVER" is scary too. It implies possessing a very high understanding.For example, I have met many people who practice various forms of brahmacharya and have seen it do a lot of harm that entering into a loving relationship could have prevented. I have seen people

do a lot of harm to themselves through meditation techniques without proper guidance.Mahatma Gandhi was also brahmacharya during his 'experiments' ? Would you say no harm was done?Medicine can be harmful if not properly prescribed, or it can have side effects, some of which can be 'dangerous'. This can be extended to

Vedic remedies also. A wrongly prescribed mantra may harm a person because it did not give the results the person was expecting. This is a *simple* example.It is not (in my opinion) illogical to suggest that harm or danger could be the result of performing an action (such as fasting) because that action may have *contact* with malefic planets/houses/ combinations etc.What is illogical is suggesting that there are certain actions (like fasting) that are immune and incapable of having bad results! The Gita teaches that results are not always assured simply because of certain actions. So where is this action with 100% guarenteed results?____________ _________ _________ _________ ____My feeling is that there may be something else on your mind, that we're really not addressing here regarding Jyotish and your relationship with it. If so, then let us know. If not, then please excuse

me.Respectfully,Michal

 

 

 

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Dear Members  ,

 

The rule is that if we can use detailed rules and we skip it, then its

ignorance and that will not be treated in the same line as for the

person who does the upaya in any time / manner due to lack of access to

more detailed knowledge

about the same.

 

 

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Hare Rama Krsna ||

 

Dear Lakshman,

 

I agree with you fully.  This is exactly what everyone should believe.

 

However, if we can be more specific with Jyotish, then that will

benefit immensely.

 

Regards,

Michal

 

 

Lakshman Brahma <lbrahma (AT) (DOT)

com>

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Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 3:46:00 AM

Re: Re: ALTERNATIVE TO UPAPADA

FASTING

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Michalle

 

There are some points which are very grey and are not defined very well

to be understood by say a person of my ability.

 

There are some truth in what you say and some of which I would like to

dis agree with you.

From jyotish remedies what you say is absolutely correct and a wrong

prescription of a mantra can do more damage than heal. However when one

does not able to perform a specific mantra or fast in a particular day

because of some reason, it does not mean that ha can not do it in any

other time, as in his sankalpam he would have prayed for the same deity

and his offerings would reach the said deity if sincerely offered.

 

The following is from Gita,

Tapas means austerity or penance. There are many rules

and definitions in the Vedas

which apply here, like rising early in the morning and taking a bath.

Sometimes it is very troublesome to rise early in the morning, but

whatever voluntary trouble one may suffer in this way is called

penance. Similarly, there are prescriptions for fasting on certain days

of the month. But if one determines to make advancement in the science

of god, he should accept such bodily troubles which are

recommended.

However, one should not fast unnecessarily or against

Vedic injunctions. One should not fast for some political purpose; that

is described in Bhagavad-gita as fasting in ignorance, and

anything done in ignorance or passion does not lead to spiritual

advancement.

Everything done in the mode of goodness does advance one,

however, and fasting done in terms of the Vedic injunctions enriches

one in spiritual knowledge.

 

Any how, Gita is a vast ocean and you would end up with different

understandings , and the point I am saying is, you sincerely offer the

prayers and/or fast (as both of them are not materiallistic) ,

according to your capabilities, (provided health permitting)  and your

prayers will bring you the fruits.

 

Thanks and with best regards

Lakshman

 

 

 

Hare Rama Krsna ||

 

Dear Narasimha,

 

Claims that you can advise fasting on any day is equally "scary".

 

Saying "NEVER" is scary too.  It implies possessing a very

high understanding.

 

For example, I have met many people who practice various forms of

brahmacharya and have seen it do a lot of harm that entering into a

loving relationship could have prevented.  I have seen people do a lot

of harm to themselves through meditation techniques without proper

guidance.

 

Mahatma Gandhi was also brahmacharya during his 'experiments' ?  Would

you say no harm was done?

 

Medicine can be harmful if not properly prescribed, or it can have side

effects, some of which can be 'dangerous'.  This can be extended to

Vedic remedies also.  A wrongly prescribed mantra may harm a person

because it did not give the results the person was expecting.  This is

a *simple* example.

 

It is not (in my opinion) illogical to suggest that harm or danger

could be the result of performing an action (such as fasting) because

that action may have *contact* with malefic planets/houses/

combinations etc.

 

What is illogical is suggesting that there are certain actions (like

fasting) that are immune and incapable of having bad results!  The Gita

teaches that results are not always assured simply because of certain

actions.  So where is this action with 100% guarenteed results?

 

____________ _________ _________ _________ ____

 

My feeling is that there may be something else on your mind, that we're

really not addressing here regarding Jyotish and your relationship with

it.  If so, then let us know.  If not, then please excuse me.

 

Respectfully,

Michal

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Rafal,

Why crate an exclusive community? We

would like to read Sanjayji’s comments firsthand too. No one is perfect and accepting

that will make all including gurus feel humble.

 

 

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sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Rafal Gendarz

Monday, February 09, 2009

5:14 AM

sohamsa

Re: Re:

ALTERNATIVE TO UPAPADA FASTING

 

 

 

 

 

om

namo bhagavate narasimhaya

Dear Members ,

 

Why not to create forum for SJC Gurus, when these addings are shared by

Sanjayji? Then there would not be any shameful situations that the teachers are

uninformed about the basics and clients are safely guided.

 

 

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Hare Rama Krsna ||

 

Dear Swee,

 

If you are fasting during a tithi, then it is the tithi which is

important. When fasting on a particular day, then it is the day that is

important. This is about intention. When certain tithi and vara

combine then there are certain effects and this is panchaang, which we know has

many uses advising when to do what.

 

Point is, fasting and other austerities are based on knowledge - how, why, when

etc. Otherwise why would we do these? This knowledge can come from

a Guru as you have pointed out. If you are advised that fasting on a

particular tithi/vara is not good, but your Guru has sanctioned it, then that

will be evident from your chart. There are many provisos and overriding

factors to any rule. But we must first learn all the basic rules, that

are typical and apply to most people and situations, before we can learn all

the posible ways they can be modified. We can only build from the ground

up (and I hear that the view from the top is most splendid).

 

....

 

Opportunities to further knowledge and understanding may be thwarted by claims

that Jyotish is imperfect, arbitrary, and corrupted. But this is to be

expected at this time. Doing anything at any time (sincerely) is the kind

of new age advice I expect on the Oprah Winfrey show, not from someone with

Jyotish learning and proven achievements.

 

Respectfully,

Michal

 

 

 

 

 

Swee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm>

sohamsa@ .com

Monday, 9 February, 2009

7:53:19 PM

Re: Re:

ALTERNATIVE TO UPAPADA FASTING

 

 

Jaya Jagannatha

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Michal,

 

 

Namaste

 

 

 

 

 

Claims that you can advise fasting on any day is equally

" scary " .

 

 

 

 

May I please? Since it was I who asked the question to Ajay regarding

my fasting on dvadasi when ekadasi is not pure and Ajay said that if I were to

fast on dvadasi, it will create a dosa for me. What dosa and how?? (I'm still

waiting for an answer).

 

 

 

 

A tithi can fall on any day/vaara, so I do not know why you are picking

on this to argue about.

 

 

 

 

 

Experiments on oneself will always do harm. But you also know that one

who has a Guru and follows Guru's instruction works according to his destiny

with Guru's grace. Even the greatest of rishis died unnatural deaths and they

were the ones who " saw " the answers/mantras. So what do you have to

say to this?

 

 

 

 

love,

 

 

 

 

 

Swee

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 9 Feb 2009, at 03:19, Michal Dziwulski wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hare Rama Krsna ||

 

Dear Narasimha,

 

Claims that you can advise fasting on any day is equally " scary " .

 

Saying " NEVER " is scary too. It implies possessing

a very high understanding.

 

For example, I have met many people who practice various forms of brahmacharya

and have seen it do a lot of harm that entering into a loving relationship

could have prevented. I have seen people do a lot of harm to themselves

through meditation techniques without proper guidance.

 

Mahatma Gandhi was also brahmacharya during his 'experiments' ? Would you

say no harm was done?

 

Medicine can be harmful if not properly prescribed, or it can have side

effects, some of which can be 'dangerous'. This can be extended to Vedic

remedies also. A wrongly prescribed mantra may harm a person because it

did not give the results the person was expecting. This is a *simple*

example.

 

It is not (in my opinion) illogical to suggest that harm or danger could be the

result of performing an action (such as fasting) because that action may have

*contact* with malefic planets/houses/ combinations etc.

 

What is illogical is suggesting that there are certain actions (like fasting)

that are immune and incapable of having bad results! The Gita teaches

that results are not always assured simply because of certain actions. So

where is this action with 100% guarenteed results?

 

____________ _________ _________ _________ ____

 

My feeling is that there may be something else on your mind, that we're really

not addressing here regarding Jyotish and your relationship with it. If

so, then let us know. If not, then please excuse me.

 

Respectfully,

Michal

 

 

 

 

Narasimha

P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net>

sohamsa@ .com

Monday, 9 February,

2009 11:17:45 AM

Re:

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Namaste,

 

 

 

 

Khoa is an analogy. Depending on the nature of milk, one may have to

cook a little longer or shorter. Similarly, depending on which weekday or tithi

you fast on, results may take a little longer or shorter. But, to say that

fasting on a specific weekday or tithi causes " dangers " and

" serious doshas " is illogical.

 

 

 

 

Regarding the question on gemstones, I see that you are asking me

questions without reading what I wrote earlier. I wrote:

 

 

 

 

" Gem stones may harm when used incorrectly. But, austerities like

prayers, fasting, mouna vrata and brahmacharya will NEVER do you any harm. If

your body can take fasting, you can do it on any weekday or tithi without too

many calculations. "

 

 

 

 

> I don't think anyone here is trying to scare anyone.

 

 

 

 

Well, claims that fasting on a specific weekday or tithi in a chart

" angers Vishnu " or brings " dangers " or causes " serious

doshas " can scare some unnecessarily.

 

 

 

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

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sohamsa@

..com, Michal Dziwulski <nearmichal@.

...> wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krsna ||

>

> Dear Narasimha,

>

> I am trying to understand this statement:

>

>

> I did not say all days and tithis are the same. Of

> course, there is some difference. But, it is not as big as being

made

> here.

> To make khoa, whether one uses cow milk or buffalo milk

> or milk of a brown cow or a black cow or a Jersey

cow or another cow does make

> some difference.

>

> So you are saying Monday (Moon) is cow milk, Tuesday (Mars) is brown

cow, Wednesday (Mercury) is Jersey cow

etc? Weekdays are all the same, but they are like different cows?

>

> Another question:

>

> If you advise fasting on any day (because, as you say, all days are

similar), can you advise any gemstone? All gemstones are similar (very

hard, colourful, and expensive:). Any mantra, or hey, just any sounds in

a sequence since all sounds are similar? Like: asymandhgarafatatda namah?

>

> I don't think anyone here is trying to scare anyone. It is *simply*

that certain medicines can have side effects. It is our responsibility to

know which medicines to prescribe and to ensure that the person does not

experience any unwanted side effects. You would expect that of a doctor

wouldn't you? Last thing I want is to see a physician saying just choose

any medicine! Of course water is medicine and can be used by all (like

japa), but here we are talking about specific medicine (like fasting at a

particular time for UL) for a specific illness (not able to find a

partner/compromise) .

>

> Your Aquarian (philosophical) Moon (thoughts) please.

> Respectfully,

> Michal

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr

> sohamsa@

..com

> Monday, 9 February, 2009 6:03:54 AM

> Re: ALTERNATIVE TO UPAPADA FASTING

>

>

> Namaste Sanjay and

> friends,

>

> My answers are in red and prefixed

> with " [Narasimha] " .

>

> <<<<<< Begin

> quote <<<<<<

> > > >> tithi. The basic

> point is that Upapada is a rashi and carries energy

> > > >> of

> Vara or day. If you fast on the day ruled by tithi of the 2nd

> > >

> >> lord, you are bringing the jala energy to vara, and

gandanta

> may

> > > >> occur, and spouse may come into a danger. So, what

is

> the way out.

> >

> > Why does a rashi carry the energy of vaara only

> and not that of the tithi???? Why does rashi represent vaara or fire?

> >

> > [sanjay Rath:] Because

Raashi were created by Surya and for doing so

> Surya took 12 forms called the Dvadasa Aditya...Narasimha you ask this??

What is

> happening?

> >

> > After all, Rudra rules

> over the element of fire and Gouri rules over the element of water and

one

> worships Gouri at the time of marriage. Moreover, Venus (water) is the

karaka

> for marriage. So one could even say that UL/marriage is represented by

water

> element and fasting on UL lord's tithi brings the element of water

(prosperity

> and well-being) to one's marriage (UL)? One could even say that fasting on

the

> weekday of UL lord should be prohibited as it brings the fire

element

> represented by weekday to the water of UL and causes " gandanta " !

> >

> > [sanjay Rath:] UL is the

Maya and is associated with the Raashi

> Narasimha. It is the 12L which is the creator of the UL...just as the

mother

> Gouri creates everything through the shakti of the graha, all the arudha

are

> created by her due to the lordships of the planets. So fasting on the

tithi

> lorded by the 12th lord will be a *more correct* answer.

> >>>>>> End

> quote >>>>>>

>

> [Narasimha] We always say that houses

> (truth) are represented by Sun (aatman) and arudha padas (maya) by

Moon

> (mind).

>

> Thus, 12th house is the actual

> creator and UL is the apparent creator in the field of maya. Houses

(truth)

> should actually be associated with Sun (aatman) and Shiva (and not Gouri),

while

> arudha padas (perception) should actually be associated with Moon (mind)

and

> Gouri. After all, that is what we do in the tripod method in dasa

> judgment.

>

> Thus, it is actually more logical to

> say that 12th house and 12th lord imbibe the agni tattva of Sun and UL and

UL

> lord imbibe the jala tattva of Moon.

>

> Is the above " *more correct* answer "

> based on your own thinking or is it from a classic or from

> tradition?

>

> <<<<<< Begin quote

> <<<<<<

> > The mantra one meditates with at the end of a

> day's fasting is far more effective than at other times. The conservation

of

> energy otherwise spent on digestion or speech will enable far more

effective

> mantra meditation. So fast or keep mouna and then meditate with a mantra,

to

> maximize the effect of the mantra.

> >

> > [sanjay Rath:] I do

not

> agree with this. Correct eating is the best blessing for good mantra

practise.

> On days when one fasts the mind is troubled by hunger causing the stomach

to

> burn and churn and this disturbs mantra japa. Correct eating (alpa

aahaara) is

> many many times better than complete fasting.

>

> >>>>>> End

> quote >>>>>>

>

> [Narasimha] Well, if one cannot

> fast, then one is destined to expend some energy on digestion after all

and not

> focus all energy on the mantra. But the bottomline is that shastras say

that one should meditate either without or with

> very little food (niraahaaro mitaahaaro). In any case, I hope we agree

that

> meditation sessions after heavy eating are heavily restrained in

> effectiveness.

>

> <<<<<< Begin

> quote <<<<< Seriously, however, this kind of

stretching of

> gandanta concepts is quite illogical.

> >

> > [sanjay Rath:] It is

not

> stretching ... it is the very definition of gandanta – the

interface between

> fire and water. Put a burning match in a glass of water, the fire

dies...There

> are other Ganda’s in the chart but they are not anta (ends). Take

Chitra ganda

> between Kanya and Tula.

>

> >>>>>> End

> quote >>>>>>

>

> [Narasimha] Putting a burning

> match in a glass of water does indeed kill fire. But the question is

of

> contact. If I am thinking of fire in my mind while standing in water, it

does

> not kill the fire. There is no contact.

>

> My point is that the examples given

> have no real identifiable contact between water and fire.

>

> One can be creative and come up with

> a lot of theories. For example, one can say that Moon and Venus are jala

tattva

> and all rasis show agni tattva (then why are some rasis marked as agni

rasis and

> some as water rasis etc) and hence the sign occupied by Moon and Venus

cause

> contact between water and fire. Then one can say fasting on the weekdays

of the

> dispositors of Moon and Venus causes gandanta and serious danger.

>

> It is not enough to show some fire

> and some water. See what counts as contact. Otherwise, one will engage

in

> illogical extrapolations.

>

> <<<<<< Begin quote

> <<<<<<

> > Three years back you said you

> are leaving jyotish....then again you told me two years back and again

recently

> that you are leaving jyotish. Now it is getting very evident that *jyotish

is leaving you*. The knowledge of Jyotish is PERFECT – individuals

embody it

> in different levels of their understanding and intelligence.

>

> >>>>>> End

> quote >>>>>>

>

> [Narasimha] Nothing is permanent. What is one's cannot

> be taken away. And one cannot cling on to what is not one's. Some rejoice

when

> it seems like something comes and cry when it seems like something leaves.

Some

> impassionately observe as things seem to come and go and do what they see

as

> their dharma with the things they seem to have.

>

> Just a factual

> correction though: I never

> said I was leaving Jyotish. For a few years after my spiritual master

entered my

> life, my interest in other things went down (though I continued to do

other

> things) and my focus on spiritual sadhana intensified. So I said that

my

> interest in Jyotish was very low. However, my guru gave me a task later.

He

> wanted me to study the teachings of Parasara

> independently, meditate on them and share my interpretations with

the

> world. He said I was very passionate in my Jyotish activities earlier,

and

> he wanted me to do the same now but dispassionately and without an

attachment.

> He felt that I still have a contribution to make to Jyotish and wants me

to

> do it as an unattached karma. His word is everything for me.

>

> What I told you recently is not that I was leaving Jyotish but what I said

above.

>

> However, if your judgment is correct and if

> Jyotish is indeed " leaving " me, I am sure my spiritual guru will

realize it

> sooner or later and change his command to me.

>

> <<<<<< Begin

> quote <<<<<<

> > I can categorically declare one

> thing with utmost confidence. You pick any weekday or tithi and take a vow

to

> fast or do mouna vrata (remain silent) on that weekday or tithi and

meditate

> with a particular mantra (any) at the end of the day. You can take a vow

to keep

> that practice for a certain duration of time (say, a few months or years)

for a

> specific purpose. Take a vow and keep the vrata for the duration. If

> brahmacharya can be kept for the duration of the vrata, there is nothing

like

> it!

> >

> > [sanjay Rath:] This is a

fine statement but then you

> seem to be saying that the Puranas and other teachings of the seers is of

not

> much relevance. Of course you are right as it will be spiritually

beneficial.

> For example, a person wishing to marry should not fast on UL days and

should

> choose any day (all days are the same) or any tithi (all tithi are the

same) and

> start fasting and do a mantra (any mantra!!) and then in a few days, or

(maybe)

> a few months (or maybe) a few years ... or maybe (what you did not say), a

few

> lifetimes, the marriage will happen! I cannot say you are wrong, so I

agree that

> what you say is right.

>

> >>>>>> End

> quote >>>>>>

>

> [Narasimha] This is a gross

> exaggeration.

>

> Is all that is being taught and

> practiced now strictly from " Puranas and other teachings of the

> seers " ?

>

> I did not say all days and tithis are the same. Of

> course, there is some difference. But, it is not as big as being

made

> here.

>

> To make khoa, whether one uses cow milk or buffalo milk

> or milk of a brown cow or a black cow or a Jersey

cow or another cow does make

> some difference. But it is secondary. To say that " danger " and

" serious doshas "

> (see the quoted mails for such claims) can be caused by a wrong choice

is

> wrong. To say that a wrong choice means khoa will take 100 years to make

is also

> a gross exaggeration.

>

> The main thing is that you need milk and sugar. If one

> is confused by endless claims of khoa making consultants and ends up not

making

> khoa at all, that will be sad. In such a case, one can simply pick some

milk or the other, take sugar and start cooking khoa. It will take an extra

half

> hour, but the job will be done.

>

> I request Jyotishis to behave responsibly and humbly

> and not engage in scare-mongering and say that a speicifc austerity

(fasting on

> a specific weekday or tithi in a chart) can cause " danger " and

" serious

> doshas " . No wonder some spiritual teachers look down upon Jyotish and

dismiss

> it. Such unbalanced attitude and self-importance from us does not help

our

> cause!

>

> Yes, Jyotish is helpful, but let us not oversell it or overplay the

importance.. .

>

> <<<<<< Begin

> quote <<<<<<

> > Gem stones may harm when used

> incorrectly. But, austerities like prayers, fasting, mouna vrata and

> brahmacharya will NEVER do you any harm. If your body can take fasting,

you can

> do it on any weekday or tithi without too many calculations.

> >

> >

> [sanjay Rath:] Brahmacharya is

good for someone planning to have a baby or one

> who cannot conceive and this is kept for some period before the appointed

date

> of nisheka. Brahmacharya is good for marriage?! I think you are

mistaking

> abstinence from physical union as Brahmacharya. Oh no its so

> different.

>

> >>>>>> End

> quote >>>>>>

>

> [Narasimha] Of course,

> brahmacharya is much more, but also very difficult for most. Even physical

celibacy is a good enough austerity. Physical

> celibacy over an extended period of time increases the efficacy of

other

> austerities such as fasting, mouna vrata, meditation and

> homam.

>

> Best

> regards,

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> <sjrath@> wrote:

> >

> > om paramesthi gurave namah

> >

> > Dear Narasimha

> >

> > Just added a few thoughts and questions

> since we are on the topic of spirituality, which is not my forte. So I am

always

> seeking to learn.

> >

> > With Warm Regards

> >

> > Sanjay

> Rath

> >

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[sohamsa] On

Behalf Of Narasimha PVR Rao

> > 06

> February 2009 00:48

> > sohamsa@ .com

> > Cc:

> >

> Re: ALTERNATIVE TO UPAPADA FASTING

> >

> > Namaste

> friends,

> >

> > I would like to express my reservations on a couple of

> issues. It is funny that I should be typing this email on an Ekadashi day,

when

> many Vaishnavas fast irrespective of their horoscopes.

> >

> > [sanjay

> Rath:] I write on dvadasi when so many vasihnava also fast and keep

great

> austerities. J Any difference?

> >

> > > >> Here is my point

> and view about the question raised. 2nd bhava is

> > > >> the bhava

> of Vishnu, sustainer, and if we fast on the day of UL in

> > > >>

> 2nd house, we bring insult to Vishnu who provides the food for us.

> >

> > My dear Zoran, please allow me to express my disagreement.

> >

> > Austerities can never be seen as an insult to Vishnu.

Self-deprivation

> of 2nd house matters such as food (fasting) or speech (mouna vrata - vow

of

> silence) are austerities. Giving up food or speech is not an insult to

Vishnu

> just as giving up sex (i.e. brahmacharya) is not an insult to

Sukracharya

> (Venus).

> >

> > [sanjay Rath:] I though

Brahma was very angry that his

> sons decided not to have progeny and stayed celibate. So He created

others. Why

> was Brahma angry when his sons remained celibate? Why should Sukracharya

be

> angry if someone is celibate? How is it an insult or not an insult

to

> Sukracharya? You are taking planet signification of Venus for 7H ...and

linking

> this to creation process...which is wrong Narasimha. Brahma is seen from

lords

> of dusthana 6, 8 and 12 from lagna or 7th which is....you know this.There

is

> nothing wrong with the 7th house as it is necessary for procreation. It is

only

> the link of this with the Brahma graha that causes it to become a

serious

> shad-ripu. Married people are as eligible for moksha as unmarried ones

and

> bachelors. It depends on the following of dharma and ashrama.

> >

> >

> Various gods bestow various things on us, some at the gross physical level

and

> some at the subtle spiritual level. As we overcome our dependendency on

gross

> things, we make progress at the subtle level.

> >

> > If one eats food,

> a good amount of internal fire (and subtle internal energy associated with

it)

> is used for digesting it and for generating physical energy from it. If

one

> fasts, that subtle energy is unused and available for other things. This

is a

> tremendous benefit. As a result, one can better digest mantras and

spiritual

> food available all around one.

> >

> > The mantra one meditates with at

> the end of a day's fasting is far more effective than at other times.

The

> conservation of energy otherwise spent on digestion or speech will enable

far

> more effective mantra meditation. So fast or keep mouna and then meditate

with a

> mantra, to maximize the effect of the mantra.

> >

> > [sanjay Rath:] I

> do not agree with this. Correct eating is the best blessing for good

mantra

> practise. On days when one fasts the mind is troubled by hunger causing

the

> stomach to burn and churn and this disturbs mantra japa. Correct eating

(alpa

> aahaara) is many many times better than complete fasting.

> >

> > >

> >> However, to be honest, I have not heard this about 2nd lord and

> >

> > >> tithi. The basic point is that Upapada is a rashi and

carries

> energy

> > > >> of Vara or day. If you fast on the day ruled by

> tithi of the 2nd

> > > >> lord, you are bringing the jala energy to

> vara, and gandanta may

> > > >> occur, and spouse may come into a

> danger. So, what is the way out.

> >

> > Why does a rashi carry the

> energy of vaara only and not that of the tithi???? Why does rashi

represent

> vaara or fire?

> >

> > [sanjay Rath:] Because

Raashi were created by

> Surya and for doing so Surya took 12 forms called the Dvadasa Aditya...Narasimha

> you ask this?? What is happening?

> >

> > After all, Rudra rules over

> the element of fire and Gouri rules over the element of water and one

worships

> Gouri at the time of marriage. Moreover, Venus (water) is the karaka

for

> marriage. So one could even say that UL/marriage is represented by water

element

> and fasting on UL lord's tithi brings the element of water (prosperity

and

> well-being) to one's marriage (UL)? One could even say that fasting on

the

> weekday of UL lord should be prohibited as it brings the fire

element

> represented by weekday to the water of UL and causes " gandanta " !

> >

> > [sanjay Rath:] UL is the

Maya and is associated with the Raashi

> Narasimha. It is the 12L which is the creator of the UL...just as the

mother

> Gouri creates everything through the shakti of the graha, all the arudha

are

> created by her due to the lordships of the planets. So fasting on the

tithi

> lorded by the 12th lord will be a *more correct* answer.

> >

> >

> Seriously, however, this kind of stretching of gandanta concepts is

quite

> illogical.

> >

> > [sanjay Rath:] It is not

stretching ... it is the

> very definition of gandanta – the interface between fire and water.

Put a

> burning match in a glass of water, the fire dies...There are other

Ganda’s in

> the chart but they are not anta (ends). Take Chitra ganda between Kanya

and

> Tula.

> >

> > Now one more thing: Marriage is a yoga between two souls

> and why not suggest fasting on the yoga day of the UL lord?

> >

> >

> [sanjay Rath:] What! What a

brilliant suggestion.. .why don’t you start

> it?

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > > Now suppose instead of

> 11th house if Mercury goes to 12th house or 4

> > > house then you

> cannot choose Dwadashi or Chaturthi for the same

> > > because these

> thithis are ruled by Mercury only and fasting on these

> > > tithis will

> create serious doshas.

> >

> > Picking tithi based on house (12th house

> - Dwadashi, 4th house - Chaturthi) is illogical as there are 12 houses

only and

> more tithis.

> > I have realized one thing over the years - If something is

> not structurally sound, it is most likely false knowledge.

> >

> >

> [sanjay Rath:] J No comments

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > I can

> categorically declare one thing with utmost confidence. You pick any

weekday or

> tithi and take a vow to fast or do mouna vrata (remain silent) on that

weekday

> or tithi and meditate with a particular mantra (any) at the end of the

day. You

> can take a vow to keep that practice for a certain duration of time (say,

a few

> months or years) for a specific purpose. Take a vow and keep the vrata for

the

> duration. If brahmacharya can be kept for the duration of the vrata, there

is

> nothing like it!

> >

> > [sanjay Rath:] This is a

fine statement

> but then you seem to be saying that the Puranas and other teachings of the

seers

> is of not much relevance. Of course you are right as it will be

spiritually

> beneficial. For example, a person wishing to marry should not fast on UL

days

> and should choose any day (all days are the same) or any tithi (all tithi

are

> the same) and start fasting and do a mantra (any mantra!!) and then in a

few

> days, or (maybe) a few months (or maybe) a few years ... or maybe (what

you did

> not say), a few lifetimes, the marriage will happen! I cannot say you are

wrong,

> so I agree that what you say is right.

> >

> > If you keep such a vrata

> sincerely, you will make positive progress towards achieving your purpose

and

> definitely not go backwards, irrespective of what is said by

technical

> calculations based on our half-baked Jyotish knowledge.

> >

> > * *

> *

> >

> > My friends, use the Jyotish knowledge available, but do

> realize that it is imperfect and corrupted. Why is only the UL lord

important?

> So many planets may have so many kinds of influence on UL in a chart. And

UL is

> one of several factors showing marriage. There may be various influences

in a

> chart showing marriage. Is our thumb rule of using UL lord's weekday

missing

> some important factors? Quite possible!

> >

> > [sanjay Rath:] That

is

> a very nasty statement. Once again you have used adjectives

(*imperfect,

> corrupted*) which is not becoming of you. Why must you use nasty

statements?

> Can’t you say things nicely?

> >

> > Three years back you said you

> are leaving jyotish....then again you told me two years back and again

recently

> that you are leaving jyotish. Now it is getting very evident that *jyotish

is

> leaving you*. The knowledge of Jyotish is PERFECT – individuals

embody it in

> different levels of their understanding and intelligence.

> >

> > If

> you have the time to listen to the Jaimini Lectures at http://sohamsa. com/js/ do so as it will

show

> you the depths of this knowledge you cannot imagine exists in jyotish.

The

> derivation of the chnhandas and what not all. Thumb rules are meant

for

> beginners. The day you decided to give up jyotish, you got stuck in the

thumb

> rules but then its ok with me. I always wished you the best in whatever

you

> do.

> >

> > But, despite some arbitrariness and imperfection, if a

> thumb rule allows you to pick an austerity with confidence and create the

mental

> feeling that you are doing the best possible thing for your situation, it

is

> good. After all, what is critical is to do *some* austerity to burn the

blocking

> karma, with a positive frame of mind about what you are doing.

> >

> >

> [sanjay Rath:] No Narasimha, very

happy marriages can happen, without

> austerities as well.

> >

> > But, if endless theorization and

> complicated technicalities evolving from the thumb rule are creating

doubts and

> confusion in the minds of people as they consider an austerity, that is

useless

> and totally missing the point.

> >

> > Some people tend to resort to

> heavy theorization based on very shaky grounds. I suggest going back to

the

> basics, thinking clearly and keeping things simple.

> >

> > [sanjay

> Rath:] Human brains work differently in seeking the truth and means to

remedy

> the errors. Life is too complicated to keep everything simple. For

example, a

> heavily cursed Venus can block everything and UL fast may not be able to

solve

> the problem. Now would you say that heavy thoerization and complication

is

> happening and we should ignore the other factors completely?

> >

> >

> Gem stones may harm when used incorrectly. But, austerities like

prayers,

> fasting, mouna vrata and brahmacharya will NEVER do you any harm. If your

body

> can take fasting, you can do it on any weekday or tithi without too

many

> calculations.

> >

> > [sanjay Rath:]

Brahmacharya is good for someone

> planning to have a baby or one who cannot conceive and this is kept for

some

> period before the appointed date of nisheka. Brahmacharya is good for

marriage?!

> I think you are mistaking abstinence from physical union as Brahmacharya.

Oh no

> its so different.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> >

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> > ---

> In sohamsa@ .com

<sohamsa% 40.

com>

> , Ajay Zharotia <ajayzharotia@ > wrote:

> > > ||Om Gurave

> Namah||

> > >

> > > Dear Swee, & jyotishis

> > >

> > > What Zoran is saying is right. Do not mix the energy of day

lord

> > > (Agni) by choosing the same tithi (jala) that will create

serious

> > > troubles for the spouse.

> > > Let me explain the principle

> in a simple way so that there should not

> > > be any confusion.

> >

> >

> > > In your chart (Swee) Vrishabha lagna, UL is in 2nd house.

So

> lord of

> > > the UL is the Mercury. Since fasting is prohibited for UL

> in 2nd

> > > house see where the lord of the UL has gone. In your case

> mercury has

> > > gone to the 11th house hence it is Ekadashi. So rule

> is to choose the

> > > tithi is based on the placement of the UL

> lord.

> > >

> > > Now suppose instead of 11th house if Mercury

> goes to 12th house or 4

> > > house then you cannot choose Dwadashi or

> Chaturthi for the same

> > > because these thithis are ruled by Mercury

> only and fasting on these

> > > tithis will create serious

> doshas.

> > >

> > > If you are doing fasting on the basis of

> tithis it should be done in

> > > sukla paksha only. But if you are

> doing in Krishna paksha (Pitris)

> > > also then it should be combined

> with the donation.

> > >

> > > I hope this will clarify the

> principal.

> > >

> > > Best Regards

> > >

> > >

> Ajay Zharotia

> > > ajayzharotia@

> > >

> > > On Feb 4,

> 2009, at 12:51 PM, Sanjay Prabhakaran wrote:

> > >

> > > > ||

> Om Gurave Namah ||

> > > > Dear Swee,

> > > > Can you please

> tell me the exact rule to use for fasting on

> > > > tithi?.Do we use

> the 12th lord tithi?, Like if you are Ta lagna,

> > > > there 2 tithi

> one on Triteeya (3) and Ekadasha(11) . If we consider

> > > > only the

> paksh in which u are born.

> > > > Now of the two which to

> use?.

> > > >

> > > > Warm Regards

> > > > Sanjay

> p

> > > >

> > > > 2009/2/3 Swee Chan <swee@>

> >

> > > Jaya Jagannatha

> > > >

> > > > Dear Hari, Zoki,

> et al in this discussion,

> > > > Namaste

> > > >

> >

> > > The tongue in cheek, I'll excuse ;-)) it's my laugh for

the

> day!!

> > > > I fast on ekadasi tithi because my UL is in 2nd house

> (ie 12th lord

> > > > is in lagna). Since I was born on sukla paksha,

> Sanjay ji suggests

> > > > that I fast only on sukla ekadasi.

> >

> > > Zoki, if you listen to JUS of Year I, you will note how Sanjay

ji

> > > > came to this conclusion.

> > > >

> > > >

> love,

> > > >

> > > > Swee

> > > >

> > >

> > On 3 Feb 2009, at 15:25, Jyotisa Shisya wrote:

> > > >

> >

> > >> |om|

> > > >> Dear Zoran, namaste

> > >

> >>

> > > >> Would not the general act of fasting be construed

> as an insult to

> > > >> Sri MahaVishnu?

> > >

> >>

> > > >> best regards

> > > >> Hari

> >

> > >>

> > > >> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:30 PM, ahimsavm

> <ahimsans@>

> > > >> wrote:

> > > >> Om Namah

> Shivaya,

> > > >> Dear Bojan and others,

> > > >> Here

> is my point and view about the question raised. 2nd bhava is

> > >

> >> the bhava of Vishnu, sustainer, and if we fast on the day of

UL

> in

> > > >> 2nd house, we bring insult to Vishnu who provides

the

> food for us.

> > > >> However, to be honest, I have not heard this

> about 2nd lord and

> > > >> tithi. The basic point is that Upapada

> is a rashi and carries energy

> > > >> of Vara or day. If you fast

> on the day ruled by tithi of the 2nd

> > > >> lord, you are

> bringing the jala energy to vara, and gandanta may

> > > >> occur,

> and spouse may come into a danger. So, what is the way out.

> > >

> >> The simple solution is to do vrata which do not conflict with

> >

> > >> rejection of food. So a person may observe the fast on UL

in

> 2nd

> > > >> day, however, adequate food should be offered as

a

> prasad and eaten

> > > >> before the Sunrise

(not complete fast).In

> this way, results may come

> > > >> a bit later, but will certainly

> come, while a person will not bring

> > > >> insult to Shri Vishnu

> by rejecting the food.

> > > >> This is the way I was taught, and

> ofcourse others may agree or not.

> > > >> Best wishes

> > >

> >> Zoran Radosavljevic

> > > >> www.siva-edu.

info

> > > >> www.ahimsazr1.

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om paramesthi gurave namah

Dear Shri

Bohra

Thank you for your views but those of Parasara and the sages is

somehat different. They cause the flaws to disappear.

OK let us forget graha and think of karma. If a man committed a rape

and was convicted for jail, then he has to spend the term of say 10 years

injail. But during this time he realises his flaws, focuses on studies and even

passes the IAS examination (this has happened recently in India), then the

Government feels that due to his exemplary conduct and focus on studies in the

jail his term is reduced and he is released after 5 years instead of 10 years.

So what happened to the *original* punishment that the judge had read

out for the crime? How did it change?

In a similar manner, the remedial measures prescribed by the

sages of yore always give very good results and will reduce the period and

intensity of the punishment indicated in the chart.

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[sohamsa ] On Behalf Of msbohra62

09 February 2009 19:34

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Dear All,

 

In my view tithi wise fasting is separate issue it has no any

relation with astrological placement or with astrology.Yes day wise as

Like Monday,Tuesday.... they have the relations,more psychological

than astrological.Native feel confident to do certain fast,his own

body system feel relax and use his deposit energy.If we do any good

job we feel energy in our mind and body as like native feel some

goodness and it help him to do his job with cheerful manner.Result

will also good.

 

Remedy are for boosting the confidence of native not changing the

planetary position.In this aspect remedy are good but if claim it will

change the effects of planets than we are wrong.

 

God also have given some free will and good Karma effects our future

result so doing good job will never harmful for any body.Fasting is

the system to make our body system strong and cleansing only.

 

It is my view other may have their view of point.

 

Thanks,

 

M.S.Bohra

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Very inspiring mail.

 

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om paramesthi gurave namah

Dear Shri

Bohra

Thank you for your views but those of Parasara and the sages is somehat different. They cause the flaws to disappear.

OK let us forget graha and think of karma. If a man committed a rape and was convicted for jail, then he has to spend the term of say 10 years injail. But during this time he realises his flaws, focuses on studies and even passes the IAS examination (this has happened recently in India), then the Government feels that due to his exemplary conduct and focus on studies in the jail his term is reduced and he is released after 5 years instead of 10 years. So what happened to the *original* punishment that the judge had read out for the crime? How did it change?

In a similar manner, the remedial measures prescribed by the sages of yore always give very good results and will reduce the period and intensity of the punishment indicated in the chart.

With Warm Regards

Sanjay Rath

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Dear All,In my view tithi wise fasting is separate issue it has no anyrelation with astrological placement or with astrology.Yes day wise asLike Monday,Tuesday. ... they have the relations,more psychologicalthan astrological. Native feel confident to do certain fast,his ownbody system feel relax and use his deposit energy.If we do any goodjob we feel energy in our mind and body as like native feel somegoodness and it help him to do his job with cheerful manner.Resultwill also good.Remedy are for boosting the confidence of native not changing theplanetary position.In this aspect remedy are good but if claim it willchange the effects of planets than we are wrong.God also have given some free will and good Karma effects our futureresult so doing good job will never harmful for any body.Fasting isthe system to make our body system strong and cleansing only.It is my view

other may have their view of point.Thanks,M.S.Bohra

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Dear Sanjay,

 

Your suggestion is related to the Lord of 12th, right? Not UL lord?

Does the former decide what should be donated, or just individual inclination for the type of donation- please clarify.

 

I personally donate money regularly, and paintings occasionally.

Me is lord of my 12th. /Conj. Venus?Overstretching?/

 

Please comment.

Love,

Anna

 

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Dear Sanjay

See you think that *food must be donated* because your 12th lord is Moon...someone else may think that money is to be donated if Mercury is 12L ...and so on

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Sanjay Rath

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sohamsa@ .com [sohamsa] On Behalf Of Sanjay Prabhakaran02 February 2009 11:05sohamsa@ .comRe: ALTERNATIVE TO UPAPADA FASTING

 

 

 

 

|| Om gurave namah ||Dear Deepak, Ideally Fasting is the best remedy. 2nd house is eating and 12th houes gives argala by fasting to lagna. Arudha of the 12th indicates the day we can fast. As an alternate you can try donating things related to A12 (UL/upapada) on the day ruled by UL. For example if UL is venus rules house try donating clothes on friday. in jupiter's house donate Sweet's etc. Ideally I think donation should be related to food items. Warm RegardsSanjay P

 

2009/1/5 DEEPAK <dny789 >

 

 

 

 

Dear all,I ahve a query to all learned people out here. My sister has marriage related issues for which UPAPADA FAST is advised normally. But she has a problem that she can't fast. Is there any ALTERNATIVE to upapada fasting?If anybdy has idea on this please put light.DEEPAK