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Dear Tw ji,

 

Though your email is a reply to my email, I hope that it is not a question to me. I do not do BTR blindly. I generally prefer double-checking before going too far, especially if a chart is not meeting multiple basic astrological principles.

 

To me or to whoever you asked this question, I would like to understand how we will verify whatever be the corrected time said by astrologer (there are already three). What you are looking from the participants? I do not understand the objective of this study. Would appreciate you can define it more precisely. I am sure clearly defined objective will bring more participation.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 7:10 PM, TW <tw853 wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear BTR practising Friends,1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.

2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect 3. Major events are as given under.1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation

2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?) 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;

5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken. Thanks and regards,TW , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>

> Dear Tw ji,> > Please note my views on each mentioned point -> > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and late> marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith

> ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her> place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some> of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon

> and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.> 2. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who> do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.> 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give> early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.

> 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before> proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring> disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this

> by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as> well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an> astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always remain

> non-reliable.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > >

 

 

> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> >> > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is uploaded in

> > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really> > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has> > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp

> > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old> > Edition Practical Part p 49.> > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but

> > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to> > study in this regard.> > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and> > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to

> > the forum.> > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a> > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi> > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar

> > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of> > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.> > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,

> > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a> > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of> > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV

> > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand> > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.> > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and

> > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's> > walking out.> >> > Thanks and regards,> > TW> >> >> >> > , Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > >> > > Thanks Tw ji.I> > >> > > These are the points we are discussing -> > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn> > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (> > > http://logy.astrosage.com/punarphoo) in the chart under> > discussion,

> > > only sign exchange.> > >> > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey

> > >> > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > > >

> > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is> > uploaded in> > > > the File section.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > TW

> > > >> > > > <%40>,

> > Punit> >> > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Adith ji,> > > > >> > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. " seems

> > very> > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something> > quite> > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying

> > > > nature> > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage> > > > delay.> > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows

> > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth> > details> > > > have> > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem

> > and> > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <> > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji.> > > > > >> > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.> > > > > >

> > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point> > seems> > > > to> > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being

> > 7th> > > > CSL> > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points> > have> > > > to> > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign

> > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo> > > > also. But> > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be

> > we> > > > have to> > > > > > study the other factors also.> > > > > >> > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1

> > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Adith> > > > > >> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil

> > ji,> > > > I> > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love> > marriage/> > > > happy> > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Punit Pandey> > > > > >>> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.> > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify> > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.

> > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who> > are> > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period.> > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking> > > > > >>> is not as per kp.> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.> > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto> > > > > >>> is not considered...also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more

> > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of> > > > > >>> pluto effect.> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when

> > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives> > > > > >>> a early marriage?> > > > > >>> thanks> > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> <%40><%

> >> >> > > > 40>, " adith> > > >> > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@> wrote:

> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord

> > of> > > > 12 is> > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)> > and> > > > sat> > > > > >>> is

> > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level> > is> > > > > >>> detrimental> > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in

> > > > Jupiter (> > > > > >>> R)> > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord> > > > present,> > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the> > marraige> > > > is> > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases

> > > > study,> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many> > cases.> > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*> > which> > > > > >>> also> > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study

> > charts> > > > > >>> which I> > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*> > > > > >>> > Female:> > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977> > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,> > > > > >>> > 11n42> > > > > >>> > 77e53> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.> > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts> > crossed> > > > 11th> > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly

> > > > signfies> > > > > >>> 6.*> > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited> > in 11> > > > in

> > > > > >>> its> > > > > >>> > own sign.> > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.> > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as

> > > > your> > > > > >>> case)*> > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto> > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the> > > > signfications> > > > > >>> of

> > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord> > of> > > > 5> > > > > >>> Jupietr> > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got

> > married> > > > to> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy

> > marital> > > > > >>> life> > > > > >>> > with children.> > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > Regards> > > > > >>> > Adith> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@> > > > >wrote:> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,> > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many

> > experieced> > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.> > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are> > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM;Aurangabad,19N53,75E20

> > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune...Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..> > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no> > stability

> > > > in> > > > > >>> job> > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa> > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.

> > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a> > > > Neptune> > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.> > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@> wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL

> > signifies> > > > any of> > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL> > > > (which> > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected> > with> > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some

> > effect> > > > on> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I> > > > understood

> > > > > >>> from> > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as> > experienced> > > > by> > > > > >>> him in

> > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be> > > > promised> > > > > >>> due to> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.

> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get> > his> > > > > >>> personal

> > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.> > He> > > > has> > > > > >>> given many> > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine " Nakshatrache

> > > > Dene " > > > > > >>> edited and> > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those> > articles.> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.> > If> > > > you> > > > > >>> can> > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of

> > marriage I> > > > > >>> will be> > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> ------------------------------> > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_vijayanand@>

> > > > > >>> > >> *To:* <%> > 40><%

> >> > > > 40>> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@; guide_vijayanand@

> > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM> > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -> > View

> > > > from> > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani> > > > aspects> > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,

> > > > aspected> > > > > >>> planet> > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is> > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then> > aspected> > > > > >>> planet will> > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as

> > well> > > > as> > > > > >>> secondary> > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected by> > > > pluto,

> > > > > >>> then> > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see> > that> > > > when> > > > > >>> these

> > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a> > > > considerable> > > > > >>> time. As> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is

> > not> > > > having> > > > > >>> DBAs,> > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this> > case,

> > > > pluto> > > > > >>> is not> > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,> > > > Sunilji

> > > > > >>> has> > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had> > an> > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted> > with> > > > > >>> theknowledge> > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to

> > 7th> > > > cusp.> > > > > >>> So not> > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another> > reasons

> > > > which> > > > > >>> we canot> > > > > >>> > >> identify now.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The> > SCientific> > > > > >>> Socy.for> > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtra, India

> > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+91 9673746303> > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_vijayanand@> > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astroguide@

> > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@> > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote> > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 .......7CSL Sat

> > aspects> > > > > >>> Pluto to> > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question> > of> > > > DBA

> > > > > >>> orstar> > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise.My understanding of Sunil ji's> > > > principle> > > > > >>> is even

> > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto> > the> > > > > >>> result is> > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message #

> > > > > >>> 14157.....It was> > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr.> > > > Sunil> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of neptune is not yet

> > > > > >>> > >> confirmed.....................................but pluto> > gives> > > > > >>> negation " 2. I> > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When

> > we> > > > say> > > > > >>> that> > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is> > based

> > > > on> > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has> > negative> > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases

> > > > should be> > > > > >>> studied> > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such> > as> > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,> > > > Uranus> > > > > >>> which have> > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.

> > This> > > > > >>> idea may> > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by> > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials

> > -> > > > View> > > > > >>> from> > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star> > > > lord> > > > > >>> theory> > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123

> > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny> > > > > >>> marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114

> > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house> > > > (there> > > > > >>> 11th> > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage

> > > > instead> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157

> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji> > has> > > > > >>> found any

> > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of> > Pluto> > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found> > in KP> > > > or> > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a small> > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea> > is> > > > not> > > > > >>> in KP.> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,> > > > > >>> > >> TW> > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This

> > > > confirms> > > > > >>> that> > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS> > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from> > > > Sunilji> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > 16123> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > 16114> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > 14157> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the

> > > > effects of> > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > >>> > >> also> > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more

> > > > appropriate> > > > > >>> to> > > > > >>> > >> study> > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than

> > > > > >>> studying its> > > > > >>> > >> appearance> > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.> > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years> > to> > > > > >>> complete one> > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each

> > > > > >>> constellation> > > > > >>> > >> in about> > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of

> > 27> > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore> > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing> > its

> > > > > >>> effects.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable

> > TW ji> > > > > >>> says> > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God> > Shiva,> > > > the

> > > > > >>> > >> creator and> > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring> > deep> > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is> > > > destruction> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477). " > > > > This> > > > > >>> shows> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune

> > are> > > > not> > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.> > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced

> > such> > > > > >>> effects in> > > > > >>> > >> many> > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on

> > Pluto's> > > > (or> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance> > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no

> > research> > > > > >>> data> > > > > >>> > >> available. Further> > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari

> > Dasha> > > > > >>> System.> > > > > >>> > >> Then how> > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is

> > conjunction> > > > or> > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS> > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed

> > orb). I> > > > > >>> would> > > > > >>> > >> like to request> > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is

> > correct> > > > or> > > > > >>> wrong.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has

> > > > come> > > > > >>> across> > > > > >>> > >> many such> > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services

> > for> > > > > >>> systematic> > > > > >>> > >> study and> > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.

> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >>> > >> > > TW> > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM

> > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View> > from> > > > > >>> Sunilji> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug

> > > > 2009)> > > > > >>> Western> > > > > >>> > >> Experience> > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his

> > > > daughter> > > > > >>> Deva> > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,> > Pluto> > > > is

> > > > > >>> known as> > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey> > Green> > > > > >>> said that

> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery> > of> > > > > >>> soul,> > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive

> > > > side of> > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian> > > > profession is

> > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,> > page> > > > 46)> > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts> > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of> > > > Pluto

> > > > > >>> and> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0> > are> > > > > >>> checked and

> > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.> > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses> > > > > >>> > >> > > H.. Ne.. Pl

> > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9> > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15> > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4> > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5> > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15> > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15> > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8> > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5> > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The> > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from> > the> > > > > >>> average of 8%,> > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise

> > > > appearance is> > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and> > 8> > > > > >>> houses by> > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the

> > > > cause> > > > > >>> of no> > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.> > Hence> > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance> > in> > > > the> > > > > >>> 7th> > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings> > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships

> > or> > > > > >>> Synastry> > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not> > wholly> > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological> > > > aspects.> > > > > >>> Rahu and> > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific

> > > > procedure> > > > > >>> followed> > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to> > > > magnify

> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that> > planet> > > > > >>> always for

> > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection> > > > carries> > > > > >>> heavy> > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and

> > > > wealth.> > > > > >>> (Noel> > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or> > benefic.> > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power

> > > > struggle> > > > > >>> between> > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable> > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the> > 7th is> > > > not> > > > > >>> doomed> > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to

> > > > relinquish> > > > > >>> them> > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA> > > > charts

> > > > > >>> also> > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no> > > > marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to> > > > > >>> senselessly> > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse

> > > > effects,> > > > > >>> which> > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one> > > > hundred

> > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith> > Hill> > > > in> > > > > >>> Medical> > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this

> > horoscope> > > > > >>> pointing to> > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of> > > > write> > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on> > effect> > > > of> > > > > >>> aspects> > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I

> > had> > > > > >>> almost> > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents> > from> > > > his> > > > > >>> mail(> > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto Effects " the

> > extra> > > > > >>> planetary> > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following> > these> > > > > >>> planets and

> > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are> > considered.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting> > Pluto> > > > @4> > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good> > > > results> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto> > effects> > > > and

> > > > > >>> when> > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i

> > have> > > > got> > > > > >>> many> > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...> > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.> > Out of> > > > > >>> these 8

> > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close> > > > cojunction

> > > > > >>> with the> > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of> > 8.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in> > its> > > > > >>> star).> > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further> > Mercury> > > > being> > > > > >>> in> > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the> > 5(12> > > > to> > > > > >>> 6) ,8> > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and

> > it> > > > is> > > > > >>> being> > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)> > .> > > > But

> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it> > may> > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign> > countries.> > > > But> > > > > >>> 5,8,12> > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman> > amitbs2002@> > > >

> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen

> > shot in> > > > the> > > > > >>> .doc> > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the> > cusp

> > > > > >>> chart +> > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its> > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > > > >>> > >> step are :> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance

> > ),11 & 10.> > > > > >>> Though 8> > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but> > also> > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he

> > will> > > > > >>> also> > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad> > > > economic> > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is> > bad> > > > .

> > > > > >>> We see> > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.> > > > signification> > > > > >>> are

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=

> > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,> > > > > >>> 5 + 6> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th

> > sub> > > > > >>> should> > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are> > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this

> > time,usingK. P.> > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier> > > > your> > > > > >>> analysis

> > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II> > as> > > > > >>> Jupiter...> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord

> > and> > > > the> > > > > >>> sub-sub> > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and> > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this> > > > TOB...you

> > > > > >>> will> > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a> > horoscope> > > > of a> > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of

> > > > issues> > > > > >>> . I> > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When> > i> > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%> > > > wrong on> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any

> > > > > >>> satisfactory KP> > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out

> > how> > > > he> > > > > >>> is> > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the> > > > > >>> prospects for

> > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

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> > ?> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > --> > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar> > > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask.com

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[Guest guest]

Dear Punitji

I agree,you are refering to the fundamental principle taught to us that what ever is not ordained in a chart will not happen whatever the dba.We tend to forget it.

Thanks for reminding.

Regards

A.K.Sehgal

--- On Sun, 4/10/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar Date: Sunday, 4 October, 2009, 8:24 PM

 

Dear Ashok ji,

 

Please see my response as follows -

 

 

Further I would say that jup. is a planet of good health but what happens if it signifies 1 6 8 12.

Punit: At least, it has no direct relation with delay or early marriage. I am just talking about certain distinct behaviour of certain planets related to certain specific aspects of life.. There are quite a few KP books that try to define it, but apart for some cases it is yet to be defined precisely. I have given example of age difference and rumor below.

 

Similarly presence of ven in dba is a positive factor for marriage but what if signifies 1 6 10.

Punit: If it signifies 1,6,10, it will not give marriage in its dasa if it doesn't also signify 2,7,11. Significations are useful when we want to figure out fructification of an event in some dasa period.. What we are talking about here is influences of planet e.g. a planet being sub-lord of a house. Let us be clear on the difference. Both of above examples are related to signification and not related to influences.

Anyways, it has nothing to do with the delay or early marriage. What you are talking is dasa level promise. What I am referring to is the chart level promise. Dasa promise work only under the promises of the chart.

 

So I tend to think that all general statements are secondary to the significations of planets & basic concepts of analysis.

Punit: Planet's nature influences birth chart - it is the most basic principle. For example, in third reader, while describing whether the rumor is true or not, Shri KSK says that If the 3rd CSL is Mars or Saturn the rumor is false. No significator .. no dasa .. outright false. Similarly while describing age difference of the partner, Shri KSK says clearly that if 7th CSL it is Saturn, there will be substantial age difference. No significators used. If you will go thorugh the readers, you will get quite a few other such examples where nature of planet is used for predictions. Nature of planet, nature of rasi and nature of house are the three most basic concepts of astrology.

 

I hope I am able to communicate my mind.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 4:50 PM, ashok sehgal <aks071945 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punitji

I am sorry, some how incomplete mail got through.

Further I would say that jup. is a planet of good health but what happens if it signifies 1 6 8 12.

Similarly presence of ven in dba is a positive factor for marriage but what if signifies 1 6 10.

So I tend to think that all general statements are secondary to the significations of planets & basic concepts of analysis.

As alwyas I will wait for your valued opinion.

Regards

A.K.Sehgal

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On Sun, 4/10/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar@gro ups.com

Sunday, 4 October, 2009, 11:29 AM

 

 

Dear Ashok ji,

 

I guess your question is specific to the chart under discussion where 7th CSL is Saturn in the star of Mercury. Occupant's signification we do not see in KP for judging results pertaining to a house, so I'll leave Moon aside.

 

Assuming that Saturn signifies 2,7,11 and Saturn's star lord Mercury signifies 1,6,10, there will be marriage in the conjoined dasa period of significators of 2,7,11 and separation in the conjoined dasa period of significators of 1,6,10. For example, If there is mahadasa of a planet signifying 2,7,11 and bhukti is of Saturn (who signifies 2,7,11 in our assumption), person will be married. If there is a mahadasa of planet signifying 1,6,10 and bhukti of Mercury (who signifies 1,6,10 in our assumption), there will be separation.

 

According to KP and as pointed out by Tw ji, if a planet signifying 1,6,10, it should not mean delay in marriage. It should simply mean that this planet will not give marriage in its dasa period. As you can see forum archive, some astrologers draw clue from 1,6,10 signification for delay in marriage.

 

Finally, the point I was making that if 7th house is influenced (by being CSL, Nakshatra lord of CSL, and occupant of 7th house to some extent) by Moon and Mercury, it will give early marriage. If it is influenced by Saturn, it will give delay in marriage. Of course, we require more study on this topic.

 

I hope I understood and answered your question.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 8:45 AM, ashok sehgal <aks071945 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punitji

Marriagable age as per society you live in is an important factor.However there is doubt about your second statement regardind moon/merc/sat. Supposing moon/merc signify 1 6 10 and sat strongly signifies 2 7 11?

A.K.Sehgal--- On Sat, 3/10/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

@gro ups.com

 

 

Saturday, 3 October, 2009, 2:39 PM

 

 

 

Dear Adith ji,Average marriage age answers some of the questions. At my place average age is around 23/24 years for a girl and hence 15 was looking way too early. Moon and Mercury are the planets for early marriage. Moon in 7th house and Saturn in Mercury's star definitely give some reasons for early marriage.Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

 

 

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 12:52 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit ji,

 

Thanks for your words! I understand.

 

Here in our place , the normal age for marraige of gilrs starts from 15 itself. As she was in love with that male, the parents also are known his family and they opposed initially but as she was very strong in her decision finally they organised the marraige immeditaley to avoid any complications later (suppose if the parents of the male did not agree later) (when she was doing her 11th STD).

 

If this was not a love related she would have been normally planned for marraige after 3 years by her parents.

 

Here we have to take the importance of the Aspects to the prime houses which favors.

 

With Regards

Adith

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

Please do not take my points personally. I do not suspect you. In KP, Saturn is the chief significator of delay and such a influence of Saturn on 7th house and what we are seeing is early marriage. If it would have been a marriage at proper time, we could have digested it somehow, but when it is an early marriage, it is surprising. I remember you yourself saying once that 7th CSL significator of 6th and 12th is a delaying factor. This condition also meeting. I suspected birth time just because of the astrological reasons and nothing else. I hope you understand it. By the way, what is the average marriageable age in her town/ village/ city?

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:58 AM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit ji,I shall give an another example:10/10/19706.33 amVanavasi11n4577e52 (near Salem, TN).The 7th CSL is Saturn. It is the lord of 5 and 6 posited in 7 very close to 8th cusp.Saturn has no planet in in its star.Saturn is in the star of Sun (the lord of 12 in 12).Sat is in the sub of Moon (the lord of 11 in 4).Moon is in its own star. (4,11)Significations of 7,8,6,5,12,4, 11Moon is in Sat sign. Saturn aspects Moon

Saturn is in the sub of MoonMoon is in the sub of Sat.Punarpoo.But Marriage happened at his 21st years. Normal period,Sat lord of 5 and 6 aspects the Lord of 7 Jupiter.Sat aspects 5th house (its house)Sat aspects the the lord of 11 MoonLord of 11 Moon aspects the 11(its house)All helped him for his Love marriage at the age of 21.Moreover I recall that I have read Sat's Bad aspects to Moon does not cause Punarpoo. Only conjunction and Good Aspects cause puarpoo, I just recall from my memory.Both the female and the male of my examples are the Couples.Dear Punit ji, pls do not repeat again that you supect on the Birth details. It may seem you suspect me.Hope we may have to study and learn a lot all the way through our experience. Nothing is ended .I give you the marriage date: 8/3/1992The first baby DOB: 28/1/1993You can just cross

verify.RegardsAdith

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something quite tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying nature of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage delay. In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth details have error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem and justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit ji.

 

I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

 

But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point seems to be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being 7th CSL will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points have to be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo also. But did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be we have to study the other factors also.

 

As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1 also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

 

Regards

Adith

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil ji, I also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love marriage/ happy marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

dear adith,thanks for the quick reply.in my case as you mentioned that star level signify6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who aremarried at proper or delayed period.retro planets effects are taken in horary and not innatal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinkingis not as per kp.now about your presented case of marriage7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on plutois not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is morethan orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question ofpluto effect.can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn givesa early marriage?thanks-sunil gondhalekar

 

 

 

 

 

 

@gro ups.com, "adith kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji,> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord of 12 is> posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6) and sat is> posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level is detrimental> for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in Jupiter ( R)> star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord present, the> star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the marraige is> delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases study, the> signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many cases. Moreover> the sublord and its sublord are in the

*Retro planets's star* which also> agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study charts which I> conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.> > *if you analyse the below chart :*> Female:> 6/7/1977> 10.25 AM> Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,> 11n42> 77e53> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.> *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts crossed 11th> Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly signfies 6.*> Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited in 11 in its> own sign.> *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.> *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as your case)*> *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto>

*But no Pluto effect.> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the signfications of> 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord of 5 Jupietr> on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got married to the> one who she loved. *> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy marital life> with children.> Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.> > Regards> Adith> > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@. ..>wrote: > > >> >> > dear subhash,> > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many experieced> > cases about Pluto and Neptune.> > today a gentleman visited me.his details are> > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20> > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune> >> > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct..2012> > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..> > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no stability in job> > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa> > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.> > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a Neptune> > Pluto effect.> > thanks> > -sunil gondhalekar> >> > On Thu, Oct 1,

2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> > subhash_ektare@ ...> wrote:> >> >>> >>> >> Dear Patil ji,> >>> >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL signifies any of> >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL (which is Shani> >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected with Pluto.> >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some effect on the> >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I understood from> >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as experienced by him in> >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be promised due to> >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.> >>> >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get his personal> >>

guidance for past few years and getting the same even now. He has given many> >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache Dene" edited and> >> published by him. Probably you might have read those articles.> >>> >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive. If you can> >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of marriage I will be> >> glad to know it.> >>> >> Regards> >> Subhash Ektare> >>> >> ------------ --------- ---------> >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ ...>> >> *To:* @gro ups.com > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ...; guide_ vijayanand@ ...> >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

 

> >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials - View from> >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> >>> >> Dear subhashji,> >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani aspects Pluto.> >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet, aspected planet> >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is sigifying> >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then aspected planet will> >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as well as secondary> >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected by pluto, then> >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see that when these> >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a considerable time. As> >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own

as well as it is not having DBAs,> >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this case, pluto is not> >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though, Sunilji has> >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had an occasion to> >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted with theknowledge> >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to 7th cusp. So not> >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another reasons which we canot> >> identify now.> >>> >> With regards.> >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The SCientific Socy.for> >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India

 

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> >> email : guide_ vijayanand@ ...> >> vijayanand_astrogui de >> visit : physics@ ... > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote> >> >> >>> >>> >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 .......7CSL Sat aspects Pluto to> >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question of DBA orstar> >> lord theory did not arise.My understanding of Sunil ji's principle is even> >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto the result is> >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message # 14157.....It was> >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr. Sunil> >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet> >> confirmed... ......... ......... ......... .......but pluto gives negation"2. I> >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3.. Agreed.4. When we say that> >> Saturn is delaying

planet, what is the rationale? This is based on> >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has negative effect.> >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases should be studied> >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such as Rahu/Ketu can> >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune, Uranus which have> >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects. This idea may> >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by research.Subhash> >> EktareTW @. ..: Sunday, September 27,

 

> >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials - View from> >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,> >>> >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star lord theory> >> in the following messages posted before.> >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.> >> http://groups. ..com/ group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123> >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.> >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114> >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house (there 11th> >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage instead of> >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.> >> http://groups.. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157> >>> >> 2.. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji has found any> >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of Pluto effect.> >>> >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found in KP or> >> Western or even Vedic..>

>>> >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a small satellite can> >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea is not in KP.> >>> >> Thanks and regards,> >> TW> >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> >> >> >> > Respected TW ji,> >> >> >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This confirms that> >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS> >> > lords. Regards> >> >> >> > Subhash Ektare> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> >> > TW> >> > @gro ups.com> >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM> >> > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji> >> Gondhelkar> >> >> >> >> >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123> >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114> >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> >> > >> >> > > Friends and Members> >> > >> >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the effects of Pluto> >> also> >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more appropriate to> >> study> >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than studying its> >> appearance> >> > > in any particular house.> >> > >> >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years to complete one> >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each constellation> >> in about> >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of 27> >> constellations.

Therefore> >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing its effects.> >> > >> >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable TW ji says> >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God Shiva, the> >> creator and> >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring deep> >> transformation> >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is destruction of> >> anything that> >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477)." This shows> >> Pluto's> >> > > nature as observed.> >> > >> >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune are not> >> considered in KP.> >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil

Gondhalekar has experienced such effects in> >> many> >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on Pluto's (or> >> Neptune's) appearance> >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no research data> >> available. Further> >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari Dasha System.> >> Then how> >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is conjunction or> >> aspects of the DBAS> >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed orb). I would> >> like to request> >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is correct or wrong.> >>> >> > >> >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has come across> >> many

such> >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services for systematic> >> study and> >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.> >> > >> >> > > Regards> >> > > Subhash Ektare> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> >> > > TW> >> > > @gro ups.com> >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM> >> > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji> >> Gondhelkar> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug 2009) Western> >>

Experience> >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his daughter Deva> >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda, Pluto is known as> >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey Green said that> >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery of soul,> >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive side of Pluto> >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian profession is> >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology, page 46)> >> > >> >> > > Observation of AA Charts> >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of Pluto and> >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0 are checked and> >> found as given under.> >> > >

Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses> >> > > H.. Ne.. Pl> >> > > 1.. 11.. 9> >> > > 2.. 12.. 15> >> > > 3.. 8.. 4> >> > > 4.. 10.. 4> >> > > 5.. 6.. 5> >> > > 6.. 4.. 2> >> > > 7.. 7.. 15> >> > > 8.. 6.. 15> >> > > 9.. 11.. 9> >> > > 10.. 10.. 8> >> > > 11 6 5> >> > > 12 9 9> >> > >> >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The house-wise> >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from the average of 8%,> >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise appearance is> >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and 8 houses by> >> appearing 15% each. However, it is

still far below to be the cause of no> >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses. Hence Pluto or> >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance in the 7th> >> (marriage) house.> >> > >> >> > > Findings> >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships or Synastry> >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not wholly malefic or> >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological aspects. Rahu and> >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific procedure followed> >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to magnify the> >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that planet always for> >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection carries

heavy> >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and wealth. (Noel> >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or benefic.> >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power struggle between> >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable consequences, but> >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the 7th is not doomed> >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to relinquish them> >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA charts also> >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no marriage.> >> > >> >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to senselessly> >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse effects, which> >> are not

backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one hundred> >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith Hill in Medical> >> Astrology, page 58.> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:> >> > > >> >> > > > Hi> >> > > >> >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this horoscope pointing to> >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of write ups( in a> >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on effect of aspects> >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I had almost> >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.> >> > > >>

>> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents from his mail(> >> with his permission ) as below :> >> > > >> >> > > > dear amit,> >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto Effects" the extra planetary> >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following these planets and> >> found to give a correct result if there effects are considered.> >> > > >> >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.> >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting Pluto @4> >> degrees.> >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good results of> >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results> >> > > >> >> > > > when i seen

your mail,i was very sure about pluto effects and when> >> seen on SW it was confirmed.> >> > > >> >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i have got many> >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.> >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...> >> > > > @gro ups.com> >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM> >> > > > Re: Query on financials> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >

Dear Amit Soman ji,> >> > > >> >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9. Out of these 8> >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.> >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close cojunction with the> >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of 8.> >> > > >> >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in its star).> >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.> >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further Mercury being in> >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.> >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the 5(12 to 6) ,8> >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and it is being> >> Saturn casues the obstacles

(Sat has no planet in its star) . But the> >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it may signfy the> >> change in profession or profession related to foreign countries. But 5,8,12> >> are detrimental.> >> > > >> >> > > > Regards> >> > > > Adith> >> > > >> >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> >> wrote:> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,> >> > > > >> >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope.. I am attaching a screen shot in the .doc> >> file

& the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the cusp chart +> >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its significations per 4> >> step are :> >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9> >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)> >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> >> > > > >> >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014> >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance ),11 & 10. Though 8> >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but also shows gain> >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.> >> > > > >> >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he will

also> >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad economic> >> situation?> >> > > > >> >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is bad . We see> >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012. signification are> >> > > > >Ra : - -> >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)> >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> >> > > > >> >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )= 1,7,8,11,4,10, 5 + 6> >> > > > >> >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th sub should> >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are

signified. Then> >> why he is not doing professionally good?> >> > > > >> >> > > > >Regards> >> > > > >Amit Soman> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi> >> > > > >@gro ups.com> >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM> >> > > > >Re: Query on financials> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,> >> > > > > The

Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.> >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this time,usingK. P.> >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier your analysis> >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II as Jupiter...> >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub> >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord> >> respectively. ..!> >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this TOB...you will> >> get it right this time....> >> > > > > With the very best wishes,> >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >>

>> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> >> > > > >@gro ups.com> >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM> >> > > > > Query on financials> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >Hi> >> > > > >> >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a horoscope of a> >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of issues . I> >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When i discussed this>

>> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100% wrong on the> >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any satisfactory KP> >> reason for it.> >> > > > >> >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out how he is> >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the prospects for> >> him in next 5 yrs?> >> > > > >> >> > > > >His birth details are> >> > > > >18-06-1977> >> > > > >8:15 am> >> > > > >Mumbai> >> > > > >> >> > > > >Regards> >> > > > >Amit Soman> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > >

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Dear TW,

I am pleased to inform you that the TOB rectified by me was confirmed by Mr. Gurmeet Singh...10-14-30 AM. IST at Ludhiana...

I have sent many a BTRs through this site...ALL of them have proved correct,except perhaps a single exception...

Yogesh Lajmi.

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, TW <tw853 wrote:

TW <tw853 Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 1:40 PM

Dear BTR practising Friends,1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect 3. Major events are as given under.1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?) 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third

time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.Thanks and regards,TW @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Tw ji,> > Please note my views on each mentioned point -> > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and late> marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith> ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her> place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some> of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by

Moon> and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.> 2. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who> do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.> 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email> only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.> 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give> early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.> 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before> proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring> disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this> by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as> well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an> astrologer can not

verify past events, future predictions will always remain> non-reliable.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> >> > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in> > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really> > delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has> > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp> > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old> > Edition Practical Part p 49.> > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but> > separation leading to marriage. If there is any

reference, pl let us know to> > study in this regard.> > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and> > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to> > the forum.> > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a> > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi> > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar> > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of> > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied..> > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,> > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a> > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of> > Jupiter, not only

natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV> > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand> > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.> > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and> > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's> > walking out.> >> > Thanks and regards,> > TW> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > >> > > Thanks Tw ji.I> > >> > > These are the points we are discussing -> > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is

Saturn> > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th> > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (> > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under> > discussion,> > > only sign exchange.> > >> > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > > >> > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is> > uploaded in> > > > the File section.> > >

>> > > > Regards,> > > > TW> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,> > Punit> >> > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Adith ji,> > > > >> > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems> > very> > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something> > quite> > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying> > > > nature> > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the

marriage> > > > delay.> > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows> > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth> > details> > > > have> > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem> > and> > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <> > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji.> > > > >

>> > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.> > > > > >> > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point> > seems> > > > to> > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being> > 7th> > > > CSL> > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points> > have> > > > to> > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign> > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo> > > > also. But> > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be> > we> > > > have to> > > > > >

study the other factors also.> > > > > >> > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1> > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Adith> > > > > >> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil> > ji,> > > > I> > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love> > marriage/> > > > happy>

> > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Punit Pandey> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> dear adith,> > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.> > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify> > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.> > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts

who> > are> > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period.> > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in> > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking> > > > > >>> is not as per kp.> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage> > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.> > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto> > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more> > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of> > > > > >>> pluto effect.> > > > >

>>>> > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when> > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives> > > > > >>> a early marriage?> > > > > >>> thanks> > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%> >> >> > > > 40. com>, "adith> > > >> > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:> > > >

> >>> >> > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord> > of> > > > 12 is> > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)> > and> > > > sat> > > > > >>> is> > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level> > is> > > > > >>> detrimental> > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in> > > > Jupiter (> > > > > >>> R)> > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord> > >

> present,> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the> > marraige> > > > is> > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases> > > > study,> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many> > cases.> > > > > >>> Moreover> > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*> > which> > > > > >>> also> > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study> > charts> > > > > >>> which I> > > > > >>> >

conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*> > > > > >>> > Female:> > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977> > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM> > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,> > > > > >>> > 11n42> > > > > >>> > 77e53> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.> > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts> > crossed>

> > > 11th> > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly> > > > signfies> > > > > >>> 6.*> > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited> > in 11> > > > in> > > > > >>> its> > > > > >>> > own sign.> > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.> > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as> > > > your> > > > > >>> case)*> > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto> > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.> > > > > >>> >> > > > >

>>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the> > > > signfications> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord> > of> > > > 5> > > > > >>> Jupietr> > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got> > married> > > > to> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy> > marital> > > > > >>> life> > > > > >>> > with children..> > > > > >>> > Hence we have all

the reasons within KP itself.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > Regards> > > > > >>> > Adith> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@> > > > >wrote:> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,> > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many> > experieced> > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.> > > > >

>>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are> > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20> > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012> > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..> > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no> > stability> > > > in> > > > > >>> job> > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa> > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still

unmarried.> > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a> > > > Neptune> > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.> > > > > >>> > > thanks> > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <> > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised

if 7CSL> > signifies> > > > any of> > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL> > > > (which> > > > > >>> is Shani> > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected> > with> > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some> > effect> > > > on> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I> > > > understood> > > > > >>> from> > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as> >

experienced> > > > by> > > > > >>> him in> > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be> > > > promised> > > > > >>> due to> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get> > his> > > > > >>> personal> > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.> > He> > > > has> > > > > >>> given many> > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache> > >

> Dene"> > > > > >>> edited and> > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those> > articles.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.> > If> > > > you> > > > > >>> can> > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of> > marriage I> > > > > >>> will be> > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Regards> > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare> > > > > >>> > >>> > >

> > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >> > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%> > 40. com><k_p_ system%> >> > > > 40. com>> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM> > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -> > View> > > > from> > >

> > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,> > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani> > > > aspects> > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,> > > > aspected> > > > > >>> planet> > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is> > > > > >>> sigifying> > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then> > aspected> > > > > >>> planet will> > > > > >>> >

>> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as> > well> > > > as> > > > > >>> secondary> > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected by> > > > pluto,> > > > > >>> then> > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see> > that> > > > when> > > > > >>> these> > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a> > > > considerable> > > > > >>> time. As> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is> > not> > > > having> > > > > >>>

DBAs,> > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this> > case,> > > > pluto> > > > > >>> is not> > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,> > > > Sunilji> > > > > >>> has> > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had> > an> > > > > >>> occasion to> > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted> > with> > > > > >>> theknowledge> > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to> > 7th> > > > cusp.> > > > >

>>> So not> > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another> > reasons> > > > which> > > > > >>> we canot> > > > > >>> > >> identify now.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> With regards.> > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The> > SCientific> > > > > >>> Socy.for> > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India> > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > >>> > >>

vijayanand_astrogui de@> > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@> > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 .......7CSL Sat> > aspects> > > > > >>> Pluto to> > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question> > of> > > > DBA> > > > > >>> orstar> > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise.My understanding of Sunil ji's> > > > principle> > > > > >>> is even> >

> > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto> > the> > > > > >>> result is> > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message #> > > > > >>> 14157.....It was> > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr.> > > > Sunil> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet> > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... .......... ......... ......... .......but pluto> > gives> > > > > >>> negation"2. I> > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When> > we> > > > say> >

> > > >>> that> > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is> > based> > > > on> > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has> > negative> > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases> > > > should be> > > > > >>> studied> > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such> > as> > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can> > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,> > > > Uranus> > > > > >>> which have> > >

> > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.> > This> > > > > >>> idea may> > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by> > > > > >>> research.Subhash> > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials> > -> > > > View> > > > > >>> from> > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>>

> >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star> > > > lord> > > > > >>> theory> > > > > >>> > >> in the

following messages posted before.> > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123> > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny> > > > > >>> marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114> > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house> > > > (there> > > > > >>> 11th> > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no

marriage> > > > instead> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji> > has> > > > > >>> found any> > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of> > Pluto> > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found> >

in KP> > > > or> > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a small> > > > > >>> satellite can> > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea> > is> > > > not> > > > > >>> in KP.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,> > > > > >>> > >> TW> > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> >

Respected TW ji,> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This> > > > confirms> > > > > >>> that> > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS> > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > TW> > > >

> >>> > >> > @gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM> > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from> > > > Sunilji> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > 16123> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > 16114> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > 14157> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the> > > > effects of> > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > >>> > >> also> > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more> > > > appropriate> > > > >

>>> to> > > > > >>> > >> study> > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than> > > > > >>> studying its> > > > > >>> > >> appearance> > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years> > to> > > > > >>> complete one> > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each> > > > > >>> constellation> > > > > >>> > >> in about> > > > > >>> > >> >

> 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of> > 27> > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore> > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing> > its> > > > > >>> effects.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable> > TW ji> > > > > >>> says> > > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God> > Shiva,> > > > the> > > > > >>> > >> creator and> > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring> >

deep> > > > > >>> > >> transformation> > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is> > > > destruction> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>> > >> anything that> > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477)."> > > > This> > > > > >>> shows> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's> > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune> > are> > > > not> > > > > >>> >

>> considered in KP.> > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced> > such> > > > > >>> effects in> > > > > >>> > >> many> > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on> > Pluto's> > > > (or> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance> > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no> > research> > > > > >>> data> > > > > >>> > >> available. Further> > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari> > Dasha> > > > > >>>

System.> > > > > >>> > >> Then how> > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is> > conjunction> > > > or> > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS> > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed> > orb). I> > > > > >>> would> > > > > >>> > >> like to request> > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is> > correct> > > > or> > > > > >>> wrong.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >

It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has> > > > come> > > > > >>> across> > > > > >>> > >> many such> > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services> > for> > > > > >>> systematic> > > > > >>> > >> study and> > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > TW> > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM> > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View> > from> > > > > >>> Sunilji> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug> > > > 2009)> > > > > >>>

Western> > > > > >>> > >> Experience> > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his> > > > daughter> > > > > >>> Deva> > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,> > Pluto> > > > is> > > > > >>> known as> > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey> > Green> > > > > >>> said that> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery> > of> > > > > >>> soul,> > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive>

> > > side of> > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian> > > > profession is> > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,> > page> > > > 46)> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts> > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of> > > > Pluto> > > > > >>> and> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0> > are> > > > > >>> checked and> > > > > >>> > >>

found as given under.> > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses> > > > > >>> > >> > > H.. Ne.. Pl> > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9> > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15> > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4> > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4> > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5> > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2> > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15> > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15> > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9> > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8>

> > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5> > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The> > > > > >>> house-wise> > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from> > the> > > > > >>> average of 8%,> > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise> > > > appearance is> > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and> > 8> > > > > >>> houses by> > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each.

However, it is still far below to be the> > > > cause> > > > > >>> of no> > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.> > Hence> > > > > >>> Pluto or> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance> > in> > > > the> > > > > >>> 7th> > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings> > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships> > or> > > > > >>> Synastry> > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern

Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not> > wholly> > > > > >>> malefic or> > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological> > > > aspects.> > > > > >>> Rahu and> > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific> > > > procedure> > > > > >>> followed> > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to> > > > magnify> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that> > planet> > > > > >>> always for> > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's

experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection> > > > carries> > > > > >>> heavy> > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and> > > > wealth.> > > > > >>> (Noel> > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or> > benefic.> > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power> > > > struggle> > > > > >>> between> > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable> > > > > >>> consequences, but> > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the> > 7th is> > >

> not> > > > > >>> doomed> > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to> > > > relinquish> > > > > >>> them> > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA> > > > charts> > > > > >>> also> > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no> > > > marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to> > > > > >>> senselessly> > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse> > > >

effects,> > > > > >>> which> > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one> > > > hundred> > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith> > Hill> > > > in> > > > > >>> Medical> > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >

> > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this> > horoscope> > > > > >>> pointing to> > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of> > > > write> > > > > >>> ups( in a> > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on> > effect> > > > of> > > > > >>> aspects> > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I> > had> > > > > >>> almost> > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > >

>>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents> > from> > > > his> > > > > >>> mail(> > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto Effects" the> > extra> > > > > >>> planetary> > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following> > these> > > > > >>> planets and> > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are> > considered.> > > > >

>>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting> > Pluto> > > > @4> > > > > >>> > >> degrees.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good> > > > results> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto> > effects> > > > and> > > > >

>>> when> > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i> > have> > > > got> > > > > >>> many> > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...> > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.> > Out of> > > > > >>> these 8> > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for

profession.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close> > > > cojunction> > > > > >>> with the> > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of> > 8.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in> > its> > > > > >>> star).> > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further> > Mercury> > > > being> > > > > >>> in> > > > > >>> > >> Virgo

also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the> > 5(12> > > > to> > > > > >>> 6) ,8> > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and> > it> > > > is> > > > > >>> being> > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)> > .> > > > But> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it> > may> > > > > >>> signfy the> > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to

foreign> > countries.> > > > But> > > > > >>> 5,8,12> > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman> > amitbs2002@> > > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman

included below]> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen> > shot in> > > > the> > > > > >>> .doc> > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the> > cusp> > > > > >>> chart +> > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its> > > > > >>> significations per 4> > > > > >>> > >>

step are :> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance> > ),11 & 10.> > > > > >>> Though 8> > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but> > also> > >

> > >>> shows gain> > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he> > will> > > > > >>> also> > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad> > > > economic> > > > > >>> > >> situation?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is> > bad> > > > .> > > > > >>> We see> > > > > >>> > >> there is

a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.> > > > signification> > > > > >>> are> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=> > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,> > > > > >>> 5 + 6> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th> > sub> > > > > >>> should> > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are> > > > > >>> signified. Then> > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________

__> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST..> > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this> > time,usingK. P.> > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier> > > > your> > > > > >>> analysis> > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II> > as> > > > > >>> Jupiter...> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord> > and> > > > the> > > > > >>> sub-sub> > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and> > > > > >>> sub-lord> > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!> > > > > >>> >

>> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this> > > > TOB...you> > > > > >>> will> > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case.

I was working on a> > horoscope> > > > of a> > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of> > > > issues> > > > > >>> . I> > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When> > i> > > > > >>> discussed this> > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%> > > > wrong on> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any> > > > > >>> satisfactory KP> > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >>

> > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out> > how> > > > he> > > > > >>> is> > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the> > > > > >>> prospects for> > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >

> > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >

>>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> >

>>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > >

> >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> <> > > > > >>>> > > >> > http://sigads. rediff.com/ RealMedia/ ads/click_ nx.ads/www. rediffmail. com/signaturelin e.htm@Middle> > ?> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > --> > > > > >>> > > Sunil

Gondhalekar> > > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask. com> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

[Guest guest]

The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth time.

 

G. Singh

 

, " TW " <tw853 wrote:

>

> Dear BTR practising Friends,

>

> 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting

chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by

discussion in the forum.

>

> 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

>

> 3. Major events are as given under.

> 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation

> 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery

gain?)

> 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money

> 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;

> 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate

relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting

schorlarship;

> 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal

relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

>

> Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

>

> Thanks and regards,

> TW

>

>

> , Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tw ji,

> >

> > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> >

> > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and late

> > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith

> > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her

> > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some

> > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon

> > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.

> > 2. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who

> > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my

email

> > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give

> > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.

> > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before

> > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring

> > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this

> > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as

> > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an

> > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always remain

> > non-reliable.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > >

> > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is uploaded in

> > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really

> > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has

> > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or

opp

> > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP Reader III p 205

(Old

> > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but

> > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know

to

> > > study in this regard.

> > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and

> > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result

to

> > > the forum.

> > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a

> > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi

> > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar

> > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of

> > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,

> > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a

> > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of

> > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV

> > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his

grand

> > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for

death.

> > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation

and

> > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's

> > > walking out.

> > >

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > > TW

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > >

> > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > > http://logy.astrosage.com/punarphoo) in the chart under

> > > discussion,

> > > > only sign exchange.

> > > >

> > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is

> > > uploaded in

> > > > > the File section.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > TW

> > > > >

> > > > > <%40>,

> > > Punit

> > >

> > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. " seems

> > > very

> > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something

> > > quite

> > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on

delaying

> > > > > nature

> > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage

> > > > > delay.

> > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows

> > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth

> > > details

> > > > > have

> > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem

> > > and

> > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point

> > > seems

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being

> > > 7th

> > > > > CSL

> > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points

> > > have

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign

> > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo

> > > > > also. But

> > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be

> > > we

> > > > > have to

> > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1

> > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Adith

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil

> > > ji,

> > > > > I

> > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love

> > > marriage/

> > > > > happy

> > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.

> > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who

> > > are

> > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period.

> > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking

> > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.

> > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto

> > > > > > >>> is not considered...also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more

> > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of

> > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when

> > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives

> > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>

<%40><%

> > >

> > >

> > > > > 40>, " adith

> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord

> > > of

> > > > > 12 is

> > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)

> > > and

> > > > > sat

> > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level

> > > is

> > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in

> > > > > Jupiter (

> > > > > > >>> R)

> > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord

> > > > > present,

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the

> > > marraige

> > > > > is

> > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases

> > > > > study,

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many

> > > cases.

> > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*

> > > which

> > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study

> > > charts

> > > > > > >>> which I

> > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.

> > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts

> > > crossed

> > > > > 11th

> > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly

> > > > > signfies

> > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited

> > > in 11

> > > > > in

> > > > > > >>> its

> > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter

(as

> > > > > your

> > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the

> > > > > signfications

> > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the

lord

> > > of

> > > > > 5

> > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got

> > > married

> > > > > to

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy

> > > marital

> > > > > > >>> life

> > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar

<sunilalaka@

> > > > > >wrote:

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many

> > > experieced

> > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM;Aurangabad,19N53,75E20

> > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune...Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the

native..

> > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no

> > > stability

> > > > > in

> > > > > > >>> job

> > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa

> > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still

unmarried.

> > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again

a

> > > > > Neptune

> > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL

> > > signifies

> > > > > any of

> > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this

7CSL

> > > > > (which

> > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected

> > > with

> > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some

> > > effect

> > > > > on

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I

> > > > > understood

> > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as

> > > experienced

> > > > > by

> > > > > > >>> him in

> > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be

> > > > > promised

> > > > > > >>> due to

> > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get

> > > his

> > > > > > >>> personal

> > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.

> > > He

> > > > > has

> > > > > > >>> given many

> > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine " Nakshatrache

> > > > > Dene "

> > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those

> > > articles.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.

> > > If

> > > > > you

> > > > > > >>> can

> > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of

> > > marriage I

> > > > > > >>> will be

> > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> ------------------------------

> > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_vijayanand@>

> > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* <%

> > > 40><%

> > >

> > > > > 40>

> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@; guide_vijayanand@

> > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -

> > > View

> > > > > from

> > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani

> > > > > aspects

> > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,

> > > > > aspected

> > > > > > >>> planet

> > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl

is

> > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then

> > > aspected

> > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as

> > > well

> > > > > as

> > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected

by

> > > > > pluto,

> > > > > > >>> then

> > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see

> > > that

> > > > > when

> > > > > > >>> these

> > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a

> > > > > considerable

> > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is

> > > not

> > > > > having

> > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this

> > > case,

> > > > > pluto

> > > > > > >>> is not

> > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,

> > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > >>> has

> > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I

had

> > > an

> > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted

> > > with

> > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to

> > > 7th

> > > > > cusp.

> > > > > > >>> So not

> > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another

> > > reasons

> > > > > which

> > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The

> > > SCientific

> > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtra, India

> > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+91 9673746303

> > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_vijayanand@

> > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astroguide@

> > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 .......7CSL Sat

> > > aspects

> > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage

question

> > > of

> > > > > DBA

> > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise.My understanding of Sunil ji's

> > > > > principle

> > > > > > >>> is even

> > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect

Pluto

> > > the

> > > > > > >>> result is

> > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message #

> > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also

Mr.

> > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of neptune is not yet

> > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed.....................................but pluto

> > > gives

> > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4.

When

> > > we

> > > > > say

> > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is

> > > based

> > > > > on

> > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has

> > > negative

> > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases

> > > > > should be

> > > > > > >>> studied

> > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such

> > > as

> > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,

> > > > > Uranus

> > > > > > >>> which have

> > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.

> > > This

> > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by

> > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on

financials

> > > -

> > > > > View

> > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or

star

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > >>> theory

> > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.

> > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123

> > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny

> > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114

> > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house

> > > > > (there

> > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage

> > > > > instead

> > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.

> > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji

> > > has

> > > > > > >>> found any

> > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of

> > > Pluto

> > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found

> > > in KP

> > > > > or

> > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a

small

> > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of

idea

> > > is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This

> > > > > confirms

> > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of

DBAS

> > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from

> > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > 16123

> > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > 16114

> > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > 14157

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the

> > > > > effects of

> > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more

> > > > > appropriate

> > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather

than

> > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years

> > > to

> > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each

> > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of

> > > 27

> > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing

> > > its

> > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable

> > > TW ji

> > > > > > >>> says

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God

> > > Shiva,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring

> > > deep

> > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is

> > > > > destruction

> > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page

477). "

> > > > > This

> > > > > > >>> shows

> > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune

> > > are

> > > > > not

> > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced

> > > such

> > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on

> > > Pluto's

> > > > > (or

> > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no

> > > research

> > > > > > >>> data

> > > > > > >>> > >> available. Further

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari

> > > Dasha

> > > > > > >>> System.

> > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is

> > > conjunction

> > > > > or

> > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed

> > > orb). I

> > > > > > >>> would

> > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is

> > > correct

> > > > > or

> > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he

has

> > > > > come

> > > > > > >>> across

> > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services

> > > for

> > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View

> > > from

> > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug

> > > > > 2009)

> > > > > > >>> Western

> > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his

> > > > > daughter

> > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,

> > > Pluto

> > > > > is

> > > > > > >>> known as

> > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey

> > > Green

> > > > > > >>> said that

> > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the

mystery

> > > of

> > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A

positive

> > > > > side of

> > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian

> > > > > profession is

> > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,

> > > page

> > > > > 46)

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of

> > > > > Pluto

> > > > > > >>> and

> > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0

> > > are

> > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > H.. Ne.. Pl

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%.

The

> > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from

> > > the

> > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise

> > > > > appearance is

> > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7

and

> > > 8

> > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be

the

> > > > > cause

> > > > > > >>> of no

> > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.

> > > Hence

> > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and

Relationships

> > > or

> > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not

> > > wholly

> > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological

> > > > > aspects.

> > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific

> > > > > procedure

> > > > > > >>> followed

> > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed

to

> > > > > magnify

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that

> > > planet

> > > > > > >>> always for

> > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection

> > > > > carries

> > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and

> > > > > wealth.

> > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or

> > > benefic.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power

> > > > > struggle

> > > > > > >>> between

> > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable

> > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the

> > > 7th is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to

> > > > > relinquish

> > > > > > >>> them

> > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA

> > > > > charts

> > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no

> > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to

> > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse

> > > > > effects,

> > > > > > >>> which

> > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of

one

> > > > > hundred

> > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith

> > > Hill

> > > > > in

> > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this

> > > horoscope

> > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of

> > > > > write

> > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on

> > > effect

> > > > > of

> > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I

> > > had

> > > > > > >>> almost

> > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents

> > > from

> > > > > his

> > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto Effects " the

> > > extra

> > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following

> > > these

> > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are

> > > considered.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting

> > > Pluto

> > > > > @4

> > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering

good

> > > > > results

> > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto

> > > effects

> > > > > and

> > > > > > >>> when

> > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i

> > > have

> > > > > got

> > > > > > >>> many

> > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.

> > > Out of

> > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close

> > > > > cojunction

> > > > > > >>> with the

> > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of

> > > 8.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet

in

> > > its

> > > > > > >>> star).

> > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further

> > > Mercury

> > > > > being

> > > > > > >>> in

> > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the

> > > 5(12

> > > > > to

> > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable

and

> > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > >>> being

> > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)

> > > .

> > > > > But

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as

it

> > > may

> > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign

> > > countries.

> > > > > But

> > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman

> > > amitbs2002@

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen

> > > shot in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the

> > > cusp

> > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its

> > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance

> > > ),11 & 10.

> > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but

> > > also

> > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he

> > > will

> > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad

> > > > > economic

> > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it

is

> > > bad

> > > > > .

> > > > > > >>> We see

> > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.

> > > > > signification

> > > > > > >>> are

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=

> > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th

> > > sub

> > > > > > >>> should

> > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are

> > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this

> > > time,usingK. P.

> > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as

Saturn...earlier

> > > > > your

> > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II

> > > as

> > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord

> > > and

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord

and

> > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this

> > > > > TOB...you

> > > > > > >>> will

> > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a

> > > horoscope

> > > > > of a

> > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple

of

> > > > > issues

> > > > > > >>> . I

> > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When

> > > i

> > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%

> > > > > wrong on

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any

> > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point

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> > > how

> > > > > he

> > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are

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> > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

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[Guest guest]

Dear Patil ji,

 

Thanks for your response. Other than discussing the BTR, here the request is the

rectified TOB to check how the major events are tallied by the KP rules and to

access the future prediction, looking at mainly Dasa-Bhukti levels of PM and

Minister.

 

Thanks and regards,

TW

 

, " VIJAYANAND PATIL "

<guide_vijayanand wrote:

>

>

> R/s Twji

> What you have suggested that rectified birth time should co relate with

the past events of the jataka.

> I am of the opinion and it is the fact that when we consider past events

of the jataka for rectification of birth time, generally kp astrologers will go

only upto antra (Vidasha) and still one may go upto sukshma, the period will be

not less than 2 to 3 monhs in general. If to identify the happened event to

the csl of particular house, by shifting sub of one planet to another planet can

be there but as we are not going upto the date of the materialisation of event,

what we consider rectification of birth time and accordingly we cross check the

past events, in 50 cases out of 100 it may match but in large majority of cases,

it will differ.

> So, I request all the friends who adopt the methods of rectification of

birth time, they should restrict to the extensive use of ruling planets widened

upto 7 strength wise which I use to use for rectification upto sub sub level of

ascendent.

> 1)lagna Sub (2) lagna Star (3) Lagna (4) CHANDRA SUB (5) cHANDRA STAR (6)

cHANDRA SIGN AND 7 IS THE DAY LORD.

> If astrologer is 100% sure about the efficacy of ruling planets in

rectification of birth time, he will sit for preparation of horoscope only on

such a time there every ruling planegt will match upto sub sub sub level also.

But astrologer itself is not sure about the efficacy of ruling planets as well

as the doctrine of rectificstionof birth time, then definately what rulihng

planets come will not definately match and they feel that the reported time of

birth is always wrong and thatswhy their predictions go wrong.

> So, cross checking past events is not the authentic way to rectification

of birth time and accordingly some astrologers use to shift sub or sub sub of

the concerned cusps to another planet and thereby total horoscope changes, and

still there is no accuracy in predictions.

> With regards

> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision,The Scientifric socy.For Research and

Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtra,iNDIA

> cELL nO. + 91 9422582853/+91 9673746303

>

>

> On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 20:02:29 +0530 wrote

> >

Dear BTR practising Friends,

>

> 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting

chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by

discussion in the forum.

>

> 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

>

> 3. Major events are as given under.

> 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation

> 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery

gain?)

> 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money

> 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;

> 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate

relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting

schorlarship;

> 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal

relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

>

> Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

>

> Thanks and regards,

> TW

>

> , Punit Pandey wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tw ji,

> >

> > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> >

> > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and late

> > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith

> > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her

> > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some

> > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon

> > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.

> > 2. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who

> > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my

email

> > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give

> > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.

> > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before

> > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring

> > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this

> > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as

> > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an

> > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always remain

> > non-reliable.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > >

> > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is uploaded in

> > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really

> > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has

> > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or

opp

> > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP Reader III p 205

(Old

> > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but

> > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know

to

> > > study in this regard.

> > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and

> > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result

to

> > > the forum.

> > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a

> > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi

> > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar

> > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of

> > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,

> > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a

> > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of

> > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV

> > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his

grand

> > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for

death.

> > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation

and

> > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's

> > > walking out.

> > >

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > > TW

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Punit Pandey wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > >

> > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > > http://logy.astrosage.com/punarphoo) in the chart under

> > > discussion,

> > > > only sign exchange.

> > > >

> > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is

> > > uploaded in

> > > > > the File section.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > TW

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > > Punit

> > >

> > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. " seems

> > > very

> > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something

> > > quite

> > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on

delaying

> > > > > nature

> > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage

> > > > > delay.

> > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows

> > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth

> > > details

> > > > > have

> > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem

> > > and

> > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point

> > > seems

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being

> > > 7th

> > > > > CSL

> > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points

> > > have

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign

> > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo

> > > > > also. But

> > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be

> > > we

> > > > > have to

> > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1

> > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Adith

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil

> > > ji,

> > > > > I

> > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love

> > > marriage/

> > > > > happy

> > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.

> > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who

> > > are

> > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period.

> > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking

> > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.

> > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto

> > > > > > >>> is not considered...also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more

> > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of

> > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when

> > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives

> > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > 40>, " adith

> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " wrote:

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord

> > > of

> > > > > 12 is

> > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)

> > > and

> > > > > sat

> > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level

> > > is

> > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in

> > > > > Jupiter (

> > > > > > >>> R)

> > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord

> > > > > present,

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the

> > > marraige

> > > > > is

> > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases

> > > > > study,

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many

> > > cases.

> > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*

> > > which

> > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study

> > > charts

> > > > > > >>> which I

> > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.

> > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts

> > > crossed

> > > > > 11th

> > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly

> > > > > signfies

> > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited

> > > in 11

> > > > > in

> > > > > > >>> its

> > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter

(as

> > > > > your

> > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the

> > > > > signfications

> > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the

lord

> > > of

> > > > > 5

> > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got

> > > married

> > > > > to

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy

> > > marital

> > > > > > >>> life

> > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar > > >

>wrote:

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many

> > > experieced

> > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM;Aurangabad,19N53,75E20

> > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune...Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the

native..

> > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no

> > > stability

> > > > > in

> > > > > > >>> job

> > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa

> > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still

unmarried.

> > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again

a

> > > > > Neptune

> > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@> wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL

> > > signifies

> > > > > any of

> > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this

7CSL

> > > > > (which

> > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected

> > > with

> > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some

> > > effect

> > > > > on

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I

> > > > > understood

> > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as

> > > experienced

> > > > > by

> > > > > > >>> him in

> > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be

> > > > > promised

> > > > > > >>> due to

> > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get

> > > his

> > > > > > >>> personal

> > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.

> > > He

> > > > > has

> > > > > > >>> given many

> > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine " Nakshatrache

> > > > > Dene "

> > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those

> > > articles.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.

> > > If

> > > > > you

> > > > > > >>> can

> > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of

> > > marriage I

> > > > > > >>> will be

> > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> ------------------------------

> > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL

> > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* > 40> >

> > > > > 40>

> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@; guide_vijayanand@

> > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -

> > > View

> > > > > from

> > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani

> > > > > aspects

> > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,

> > > > > aspected

> > > > > > >>> planet

> > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl

is

> > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then

> > > aspected

> > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as

> > > well

> > > > > as

> > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected

by

> > > > > pluto,

> > > > > > >>> then

> > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see

> > > that

> > > > > when

> > > > > > >>> these

> > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a

> > > > > considerable

> > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is

> > > not

> > > > > having

> > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this

> > > case,

> > > > > pluto

> > > > > > >>> is not

> > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,

> > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > >>> has

> > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I

had

> > > an

> > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted

> > > with

> > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to

> > > 7th

> > > > > cusp.

> > > > > > >>> So not

> > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another

> > > reasons

> > > > > which

> > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The

> > > SCientific

> > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtra, India

> > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+91 9673746303

> > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_vijayanand@

> > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astroguide@

> > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 .......7CSL Sat

> > > aspects

> > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage

question

> > > of

> > > > > DBA

> > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise.My understanding of Sunil ji's

> > > > > principle

> > > > > > >>> is even

> > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect

Pluto

> > > the

> > > > > > >>> result is

> > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message #

> > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also

Mr.

> > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of neptune is not yet

> > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed.....................................but pluto

> > > gives

> > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4.

When

> > > we

> > > > > say

> > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is

> > > based

> > > > > on

> > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has

> > > negative

> > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases

> > > > > should be

> > > > > > >>> studied

> > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such

> > > as

> > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,

> > > > > Uranus

> > > > > > >>> which have

> > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.

> > > This

> > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by

> > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on

financials

> > > -

> > > > > View

> > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or

star

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > >>> theory

> > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.

> > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123

> > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny

> > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114

> > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house

> > > > > (there

> > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage

> > > > > instead

> > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.

> > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji

> > > has

> > > > > > >>> found any

> > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of

> > > Pluto

> > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found

> > > in KP

> > > > > or

> > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a

small

> > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of

idea

> > > is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This

> > > > > confirms

> > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of

DBAS

> > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from

> > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > 16123

> > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > 16114

> > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > 14157

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the

> > > > > effects of

> > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more

> > > > > appropriate

> > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather

than

> > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years

> > > to

> > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each

> > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of

> > > 27

> > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing

> > > its

> > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable

> > > TW ji

> > > > > > >>> says

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God

> > > Shiva,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring

> > > deep

> > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is

> > > > > destruction

> > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page

477). "

> > > > > This

> > > > > > >>> shows

> > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune

> > > are

> > > > > not

> > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced

> > > such

> > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on

> > > Pluto's

> > > > > (or

> > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no

> > > research

> > > > > > >>> data

> > > > > > >>> > >> available. Further

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari

> > > Dasha

> > > > > > >>> System.

> > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is

> > > conjunction

> > > > > or

> > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed

> > > orb). I

> > > > > > >>> would

> > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is

> > > correct

> > > > > or

> > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he

has

> > > > > come

> > > > > > >>> across

> > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services

> > > for

> > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View

> > > from

> > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug

> > > > > 2009)

> > > > > > >>> Western

> > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his

> > > > > daughter

> > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,

> > > Pluto

> > > > > is

> > > > > > >>> known as

> > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey

> > > Green

> > > > > > >>> said that

> > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the

mystery

> > > of

> > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A

positive

> > > > > side of

> > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian

> > > > > profession is

> > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,

> > > page

> > > > > 46)

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of

> > > > > Pluto

> > > > > > >>> and

> > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0

> > > are

> > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > H.. Ne.. Pl

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%.

The

> > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from

> > > the

> > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise

> > > > > appearance is

> > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7

and

> > > 8

> > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be

the

> > > > > cause

> > > > > > >>> of no

> > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.

> > > Hence

> > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and

Relationships

> > > or

> > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not

> > > wholly

> > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological

> > > > > aspects.

> > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific

> > > > > procedure

> > > > > > >>> followed

> > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed

to

> > > > > magnify

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that

> > > planet

> > > > > > >>> always for

> > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection

> > > > > carries

> > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and

> > > > > wealth.

> > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or

> > > benefic.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power

> > > > > struggle

> > > > > > >>> between

> > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable

> > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the

> > > 7th is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to

> > > > > relinquish

> > > > > > >>> them

> > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA

> > > > > charts

> > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no

> > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to

> > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse

> > > > > effects,

> > > > > > >>> which

> > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of

one

> > > > > hundred

> > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith

> > > Hill

> > > > > in

> > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this

> > > horoscope

> > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of

> > > > > write

> > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on

> > > effect

> > > > > of

> > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I

> > > had

> > > > > > >>> almost

> > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents

> > > from

> > > > > his

> > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto Effects " the

> > > extra

> > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following

> > > these

> > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are

> > > considered.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting

> > > Pluto

> > > > > @4

> > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering

good

> > > > > results

> > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto

> > > effects

> > > > > and

> > > > > > >>> when

> > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i

> > > have

> > > > > got

> > > > > > >>> many

> > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.

> > > Out of

> > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close

> > > > > cojunction

> > > > > > >>> with the

> > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of

> > > 8.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet

in

> > > its

> > > > > > >>> star).

> > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further

> > > Mercury

> > > > > being

> > > > > > >>> in

> > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the

> > > 5(12

> > > > > to

> > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable

and

> > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > >>> being

> > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)

> > > .

> > > > > But

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as

it

> > > may

> > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign

> > > countries.

> > > > > But

> > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman

> > > amitbs2002@

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen

> > > shot in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the

> > > cusp

> > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its

> > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance

> > > ),11 & 10.

> > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but

> > > also

> > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he

> > > will

> > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad

> > > > > economic

> > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it

is

> > > bad

> > > > > .

> > > > > > >>> We see

> > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.

> > > > > signification

> > > > > > >>> are

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=

> > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th

> > > sub

> > > > > > >>> should

> > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are

> > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this

> > > time,usingK. P.

> > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as

Saturn...earlier

> > > > > your

> > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II

> > > as

> > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord

> > > and

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord

and

> > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this

> > > > > TOB...you

> > > > > > >>> will

> > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a

> > > horoscope

> > > > > of a

> > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple

of

> > > > > issues

> > > > > > >>> . I

> > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When

> > > i

> > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%

> > > > > wrong on

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any

> > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point

out

> > > how

> > > > > he

> > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are

the

> > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

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> > > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar

> > > > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask.com

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[Guest guest]

Dear G.Singh ji,

 

As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-

 

" Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord of the

Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively. ..! "

 

I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant ,is

10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?

 

Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa

Moon : Ve-Me-Sa

 

Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.

 

Thanks,

 

M.S.Bohra

 

 

 

 

 

, " G " <hbk1hbk_2100 wrote:

>

> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth time.

>

> G. Singh

>

> , " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> >

> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very

interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically

by discussion in the forum.

> >

> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> >

> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation

> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by

lottery gain?)

> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money

> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;

> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate

relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting

schorlarship;

> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal

relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

> >

> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> > TW

> >

> >

> > , Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > >

> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > >

> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and

late

> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from

Adith

> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her

> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for

some

> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon

> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's

email.

> > > 2. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers

who

> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my

email

> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give

> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.

> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before

> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring

> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this

> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source

as

> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an

> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always

remain

> > > non-reliable.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > >

> > > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is uploaded in

> > > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really

> > > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It

has

> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or

opp

> > > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP Reader III p 205

(Old

> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but

> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us

know to

> > > > study in this regard.

> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and

> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the

result to

> > > > the forum.

> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get

a

> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi

> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar

> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of

> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,

> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having

a

> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of

> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV

> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his

grand

> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for

death.

> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation

and

> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of

partner's

> > > > walking out.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > TW

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > > >

> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > > > http://logy.astrosage.com/punarphoo) in the chart under

> > > > discussion,

> > > > > only sign exchange.

> > > > >

> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is

> > > > uploaded in

> > > > > > the File section.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > TW

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > Punit

> > > >

> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. " seems

> > > > very

> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something

> > > > quite

> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on

delaying

> > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the

marriage

> > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows

> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth

> > > > details

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem

> > > > and

> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said

point

> > > > seems

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being

> > > > 7th

> > > > > > CSL

> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many

points

> > > > have

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat

sign

> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause

Punarpoo

> > > > > > also. But

> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may

be

> > > > we

> > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz #

1

> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Adith

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by

Sunil

> > > > ji,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love

> > > > marriage/

> > > > > > happy

> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.

> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts

who

> > > > are

> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period.

> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking

> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.

> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto

> > > > > > > >>> is not considered...also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more

> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of

> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when

> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives

> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>>

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> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > 40>, " adith

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is

lord

> > > > of

> > > > > > 12 is

> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in

6)

> > > > and

> > > > > > sat

> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star

level

> > > > is

> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again

in

> > > > > > Jupiter (

> > > > > > > >>> R)

> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord

> > > > > > present,

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the

> > > > marraige

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few

cases

> > > > > > study,

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many

> > > > cases.

> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's

star*

> > > > which

> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study

> > > > charts

> > > > > > > >>> which I

> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.

> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts

> > > > crossed

> > > > > > 11th

> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly

> > > > > > signfies

> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11

posited

> > > > in 11

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > >>> its

> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter

(as

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the

> > > > > > signfications

> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the

lord

> > > > of

> > > > > > 5

> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got

> > > > married

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy

> > > > marital

> > > > > > > >>> life

> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar

<sunilalaka@

> > > > > > >wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many

> > > > experieced

> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM;Aurangabad,19N53,75E20

> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune...Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects

Neptune

> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the

native..

> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no

> > > > stability

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > >>> job

> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the

dasa

> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still

unmarried.

> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star..

again a

> > > > > > Neptune

> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL

> > > > signifies

> > > > > > any of

> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this

7CSL

> > > > > > (which

> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected

> > > > with

> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some

> > > > effect

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I

> > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as

> > > > experienced

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > >>> him in

> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be

> > > > > > promised

> > > > > > > >>> due to

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get

> > > > his

> > > > > > > >>> personal

> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even

now.

> > > > He

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > >>> given many

> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine

" Nakshatrache

> > > > > > Dene "

> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those

> > > > articles.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in

archive.

> > > > If

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > >>> can

> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of

> > > > marriage I

> > > > > > > >>> will be

> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------------------------

> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_vijayanand@>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* <%

> > > > 40><%

> > > >

> > > > > > 40>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@; guide_vijayanand@

> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -

> > > > View

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani

> > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other

planet,

> > > > > > aspected

> > > > > > > >>> planet

> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl

is

> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then

> > > > aspected

> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as

> > > > well

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected

by

> > > > > > pluto,

> > > > > > > >>> then

> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we

see

> > > > that

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > >>> these

> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a

> > > > > > considerable

> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is

> > > > not

> > > > > > having

> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this

> > > > case,

> > > > > > pluto

> > > > > > > >>> is not

> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results.

Though,

> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > > >>> has

> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I

had

> > > > an

> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I

delighted

> > > > with

> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to

> > > > 7th

> > > > > > cusp.

> > > > > > > >>> So not

> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another

> > > > reasons

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The

> > > > SCientific

> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtra,

India

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+91 9673746303

> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_vijayanand@

> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astroguide@

> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 .......7CSL Sat

> > > > aspects

> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage

question

> > > > of

> > > > > > DBA

> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise.My understanding of Sunil ji's

> > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > >>> is even

> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect

Pluto

> > > > the

> > > > > > > >>> result is

> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message

#

> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also

Mr.

> > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of neptune is not

yet

> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed.....................................but pluto

> > > > gives

> > > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4.

When

> > > > we

> > > > > > say

> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is

> > > > based

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has

> > > > negative

> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of

cases

> > > > > > should be

> > > > > > > >>> studied

> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets

such

> > > > as

> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto,

Neptune,

> > > > > > Uranus

> > > > > > > >>> which have

> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the

effects.

> > > > This

> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by

> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on

financials

> > > > -

> > > > > > View

> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or

star

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > >>> theory

> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny

marriage.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

16123

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to

deny

> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

16114

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the

house

> > > > > > (there

> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no

marriage

> > > > > > instead

> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

14157

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil

ji

> > > > has

> > > > > > > >>> found any

> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of

> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not

found

> > > > in KP

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a

small

> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of

idea

> > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This

> > > > > > confirms

> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of

DBAS

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View

from

> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > 16123

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > 16114

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > 14157

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare

wrote:

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the

> > > > > > effects of

> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more

> > > > > > appropriate

> > > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather

than

> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248

years

> > > > to

> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses

each

> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out

of

> > > > 27

> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for

analyzing

> > > > its

> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009

Honorable

> > > > TW ji

> > > > > > > >>> says

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God

> > > > Shiva,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to

bring

> > > > deep

> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is

> > > > > > destruction

> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page

477). "

> > > > > > This

> > > > > > > >>> shows

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and

Neptune

> > > > are

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced

> > > > such

> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on

> > > > Pluto's

> > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no

> > > > research

> > > > > > > >>> data

> > > > > > > >>> > >> available. Further

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari

> > > > Dasha

> > > > > > > >>> System.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is

> > > > conjunction

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed

> > > > orb). I

> > > > > > > >>> would

> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is

> > > > correct

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he

has

> > > > > > come

> > > > > > > >>> across

> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services

> > > > for

> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View

> > > > from

> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine

Aug

> > > > > > 2009)

> > > > > > > >>> Western

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his

> > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,

> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>> known as

> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart.

Jeffrey

> > > > Green

> > > > > > > >>> said that

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the

mystery

> > > > of

> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A

positive

> > > > > > side of

> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian

> > > > > > profession is

> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,

> > > > page

> > > > > > 46)

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance

of

> > > > > > Pluto

> > > > > > > >>> and

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank

4.0

> > > > are

> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H.. Ne.. Pl

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%.

The

> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from

> > > > the

> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise

> > > > > > appearance is

> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7

and

> > > > 8

> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be

the

> > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > >>> of no

> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.

> > > > Hence

> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere

appearance

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and

Relationships

> > > > or

> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not

> > > > wholly

> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological

> > > > > > aspects.

> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific

> > > > > > procedure

> > > > > > > >>> followed

> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed

to

> > > > > > magnify

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that

> > > > planet

> > > > > > > >>> always for

> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn

connection

> > > > > > carries

> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success

and

> > > > > > wealth.

> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or

> > > > benefic.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power

> > > > > > struggle

> > > > > > > >>> between

> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable

> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the

> > > > 7th is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to

> > > > > > relinquish

> > > > > > > >>> them

> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the

AA

> > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no

> > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable

to

> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's

adverse

> > > > > > effects,

> > > > > > > >>> which

> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of

one

> > > > > > hundred

> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith

> > > > Hill

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this

> > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple

of

> > > > > > write

> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on

> > > > effect

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects .

I

> > > > had

> > > > > > > >>> almost

> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the

contents

> > > > from

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto Effects " the

> > > > extra

> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am

following

> > > > these

> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are

> > > > considered.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3

deg.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also

aspecting

> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > @4

> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering

good

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto

> > > > effects

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > >>> when

> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i

> > > > have

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > >>> many

> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.

> > > > Out of

> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close

> > > > > > cojunction

> > > > > > > >>> with the

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord

of

> > > > 8.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet

in

> > > > its

> > > > > > > >>> star).

> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further

> > > > Mercury

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > >>> in

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10,

the

> > > > 5(12

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable

and

> > > > it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>> being

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its

star)

> > > > .

> > > > > > But

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as

it

> > > > may

> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign

> > > > countries.

> > > > > > But

> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman

> > > > amitbs2002@

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen

> > > > shot in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare

the

> > > > cusp

> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its

> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance

> > > > ),11 & 10.

> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession

but

> > > > also

> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining

he

> > > > will

> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for

bad

> > > > > > economic

> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it

is

> > > > bad

> > > > > > .

> > > > > > > >>> We see

> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.

> > > > > > signification

> > > > > > > >>> are

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=

> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that

10th

> > > > sub

> > > > > > > >>> should

> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11

are

> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this

> > > > time,usingK. P.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as

Saturn...earlier

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of

II

> > > > as

> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the

sublord

> > > > and

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord

and

> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for

this

> > > > > > TOB...you

> > > > > > > >>> will

> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a

> > > > horoscope

> > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple

of

> > > > > > issues

> > > > > > > >>> . I

> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life.

When

> > > > i

> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was

100%

> > > > > > wrong on

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any

> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point

out

> > > > how

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are

the

> > > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

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[Guest guest]

Dear G.Singh,

 

With new BTR which i have posted,see the changes in 5 CSL Ve (Time 10:14:30)to

Sun (Time 10:15:05).

 

How you feel this change have any remarkable changes in some result ?

 

Thanks,

 

M.S.Bohra

 

 

 

 

, " G " <hbk1hbk_2100 wrote:

>

> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth time.

>

> G. Singh

>

> , " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> >

> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very

interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically

by discussion in the forum.

> >

> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> >

> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation

> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by

lottery gain?)

> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money

> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;

> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate

relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting

schorlarship;

> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal

relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

> >

> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> > TW

> >

> >

> > , Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > >

> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > >

> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and

late

> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from

Adith

> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her

> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for

some

> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon

> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's

email.

> > > 2. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers

who

> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my

email

> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give

> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.

> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before

> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring

> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this

> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source

as

> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an

> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always

remain

> > > non-reliable.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > >

> > > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is uploaded in

> > > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really

> > > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It

has

> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or

opp

> > > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP Reader III p 205

(Old

> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but

> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us

know to

> > > > study in this regard.

> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and

> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the

result to

> > > > the forum.

> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get

a

> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi

> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar

> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of

> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,

> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having

a

> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of

> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV

> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his

grand

> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for

death.

> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation

and

> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of

partner's

> > > > walking out.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > TW

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > > >

> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > > > http://logy.astrosage.com/punarphoo) in the chart under

> > > > discussion,

> > > > > only sign exchange.

> > > > >

> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is

> > > > uploaded in

> > > > > > the File section.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > TW

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > Punit

> > > >

> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. " seems

> > > > very

> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something

> > > > quite

> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on

delaying

> > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the

marriage

> > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows

> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth

> > > > details

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem

> > > > and

> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said

point

> > > > seems

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being

> > > > 7th

> > > > > > CSL

> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many

points

> > > > have

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat

sign

> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause

Punarpoo

> > > > > > also. But

> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may

be

> > > > we

> > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz #

1

> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Adith

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by

Sunil

> > > > ji,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love

> > > > marriage/

> > > > > > happy

> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.

> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts

who

> > > > are

> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period.

> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking

> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.

> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto

> > > > > > > >>> is not considered...also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more

> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of

> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when

> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives

> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>>

<%40><%

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > 40>, " adith

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is

lord

> > > > of

> > > > > > 12 is

> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in

6)

> > > > and

> > > > > > sat

> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star

level

> > > > is

> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again

in

> > > > > > Jupiter (

> > > > > > > >>> R)

> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord

> > > > > > present,

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the

> > > > marraige

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few

cases

> > > > > > study,

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many

> > > > cases.

> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's

star*

> > > > which

> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study

> > > > charts

> > > > > > > >>> which I

> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.

> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts

> > > > crossed

> > > > > > 11th

> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly

> > > > > > signfies

> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11

posited

> > > > in 11

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > >>> its

> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter

(as

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the

> > > > > > signfications

> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the

lord

> > > > of

> > > > > > 5

> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got

> > > > married

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy

> > > > marital

> > > > > > > >>> life

> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar

<sunilalaka@

> > > > > > >wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many

> > > > experieced

> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM;Aurangabad,19N53,75E20

> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune...Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects

Neptune

> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the

native..

> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no

> > > > stability

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > >>> job

> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the

dasa

> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still

unmarried.

> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star..

again a

> > > > > > Neptune

> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL

> > > > signifies

> > > > > > any of

> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this

7CSL

> > > > > > (which

> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected

> > > > with

> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some

> > > > effect

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I

> > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as

> > > > experienced

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > >>> him in

> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be

> > > > > > promised

> > > > > > > >>> due to

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get

> > > > his

> > > > > > > >>> personal

> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even

now.

> > > > He

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > >>> given many

> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine

" Nakshatrache

> > > > > > Dene "

> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those

> > > > articles.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in

archive.

> > > > If

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > >>> can

> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of

> > > > marriage I

> > > > > > > >>> will be

> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------------------------

> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_vijayanand@>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* <%

> > > > 40><%

> > > >

> > > > > > 40>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@; guide_vijayanand@

> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -

> > > > View

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani

> > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other

planet,

> > > > > > aspected

> > > > > > > >>> planet

> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl

is

> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then

> > > > aspected

> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as

> > > > well

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected

by

> > > > > > pluto,

> > > > > > > >>> then

> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we

see

> > > > that

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > >>> these

> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a

> > > > > > considerable

> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is

> > > > not

> > > > > > having

> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this

> > > > case,

> > > > > > pluto

> > > > > > > >>> is not

> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results.

Though,

> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > > >>> has

> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I

had

> > > > an

> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I

delighted

> > > > with

> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to

> > > > 7th

> > > > > > cusp.

> > > > > > > >>> So not

> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another

> > > > reasons

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The

> > > > SCientific

> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtra,

India

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+91 9673746303

> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_vijayanand@

> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astroguide@

> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 .......7CSL Sat

> > > > aspects

> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage

question

> > > > of

> > > > > > DBA

> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise.My understanding of Sunil ji's

> > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > >>> is even

> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect

Pluto

> > > > the

> > > > > > > >>> result is

> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message

#

> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also

Mr.

> > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of neptune is not

yet

> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed.....................................but pluto

> > > > gives

> > > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4.

When

> > > > we

> > > > > > say

> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is

> > > > based

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has

> > > > negative

> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of

cases

> > > > > > should be

> > > > > > > >>> studied

> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets

such

> > > > as

> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto,

Neptune,

> > > > > > Uranus

> > > > > > > >>> which have

> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the

effects.

> > > > This

> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by

> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on

financials

> > > > -

> > > > > > View

> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or

star

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > >>> theory

> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny

marriage.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

16123

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to

deny

> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

16114

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the

house

> > > > > > (there

> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no

marriage

> > > > > > instead

> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

14157

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil

ji

> > > > has

> > > > > > > >>> found any

> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of

> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not

found

> > > > in KP

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a

small

> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of

idea

> > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This

> > > > > > confirms

> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of

DBAS

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View

from

> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > 16123

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > 16114

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > 14157

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare

wrote:

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the

> > > > > > effects of

> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more

> > > > > > appropriate

> > > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather

than

> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248

years

> > > > to

> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses

each

> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out

of

> > > > 27

> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for

analyzing

> > > > its

> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009

Honorable

> > > > TW ji

> > > > > > > >>> says

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God

> > > > Shiva,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to

bring

> > > > deep

> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is

> > > > > > destruction

> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page

477). "

> > > > > > This

> > > > > > > >>> shows

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and

Neptune

> > > > are

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced

> > > > such

> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on

> > > > Pluto's

> > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no

> > > > research

> > > > > > > >>> data

> > > > > > > >>> > >> available. Further

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari

> > > > Dasha

> > > > > > > >>> System.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is

> > > > conjunction

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed

> > > > orb). I

> > > > > > > >>> would

> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is

> > > > correct

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he

has

> > > > > > come

> > > > > > > >>> across

> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services

> > > > for

> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View

> > > > from

> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine

Aug

> > > > > > 2009)

> > > > > > > >>> Western

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his

> > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,

> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>> known as

> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart.

Jeffrey

> > > > Green

> > > > > > > >>> said that

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the

mystery

> > > > of

> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A

positive

> > > > > > side of

> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian

> > > > > > profession is

> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,

> > > > page

> > > > > > 46)

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance

of

> > > > > > Pluto

> > > > > > > >>> and

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank

4.0

> > > > are

> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H.. Ne.. Pl

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%.

The

> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from

> > > > the

> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise

> > > > > > appearance is

> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7

and

> > > > 8

> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be

the

> > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > >>> of no

> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.

> > > > Hence

> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere

appearance

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and

Relationships

> > > > or

> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not

> > > > wholly

> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological

> > > > > > aspects.

> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific

> > > > > > procedure

> > > > > > > >>> followed

> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed

to

> > > > > > magnify

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that

> > > > planet

> > > > > > > >>> always for

> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn

connection

> > > > > > carries

> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success

and

> > > > > > wealth.

> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or

> > > > benefic.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power

> > > > > > struggle

> > > > > > > >>> between

> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable

> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the

> > > > 7th is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to

> > > > > > relinquish

> > > > > > > >>> them

> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the

AA

> > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no

> > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable

to

> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's

adverse

> > > > > > effects,

> > > > > > > >>> which

> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of

one

> > > > > > hundred

> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith

> > > > Hill

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this

> > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple

of

> > > > > > write

> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on

> > > > effect

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects .

I

> > > > had

> > > > > > > >>> almost

> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the

contents

> > > > from

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto Effects " the

> > > > extra

> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am

following

> > > > these

> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are

> > > > considered.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3

deg.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also

aspecting

> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > @4

> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering

good

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto

> > > > effects

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > >>> when

> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i

> > > > have

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > >>> many

> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.

> > > > Out of

> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close

> > > > > > cojunction

> > > > > > > >>> with the

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord

of

> > > > 8.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet

in

> > > > its

> > > > > > > >>> star).

> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further

> > > > Mercury

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > >>> in

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10,

the

> > > > 5(12

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable

and

> > > > it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>> being

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its

star)

> > > > .

> > > > > > But

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as

it

> > > > may

> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign

> > > > countries.

> > > > > > But

> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman

> > > > amitbs2002@

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen

> > > > shot in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare

the

> > > > cusp

> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its

> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance

> > > > ),11 & 10.

> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession

but

> > > > also

> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining

he

> > > > will

> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for

bad

> > > > > > economic

> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it

is

> > > > bad

> > > > > > .

> > > > > > > >>> We see

> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.

> > > > > > signification

> > > > > > > >>> are

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=

> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that

10th

> > > > sub

> > > > > > > >>> should

> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11

are

> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this

> > > > time,usingK. P.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as

Saturn...earlier

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of

II

> > > > as

> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the

sublord

> > > > and

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord

and

> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for

this

> > > > > > TOB...you

> > > > > > > >>> will

> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a

> > > > horoscope

> > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple

of

> > > > > > issues

> > > > > > > >>> . I

> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life.

When

> > > > i

> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was

100%

> > > > > > wrong on

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any

> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point

out

> > > > how

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are

the

> > > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

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> > > > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar

> > > > > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask.com

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[Guest guest]

Dear Panit ji,

 

1. Thanks for your response. Here the request is for the rectified TOB, to all

friends who used to discuss the BTR, to check how the major events are tallied

by the KP rules and to access the future prediction.

 

2. Pl take your time as Charles Jayne said in his The Technique of Rectifation,

" My wife is a very competent astrologer and an excellent rectifier and

interpreter, and yet she and I took an incredibly long time to rectify her

chart. "

 

Thanks and regards,

TW

 

, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Tw ji,

>

> Though your email is a reply to my email, I hope that it is not a question

> to me. I do not do BTR blindly. I generally prefer double-checking before

> going too far, especially if a chart is not meeting multiple basic

> astrological principles.

>

> To me or to whoever you asked this question, I would like to understand how

> we will verify whatever be the corrected time said by astrologer (there are

> already three). What you are looking from the participants? I do not

> understand the objective of this study. Would appreciate you can define it

> more precisely. I am sure clearly defined objective will bring more

> participation.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 7:10 PM, TW <tw853 wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> >

> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very

> > interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something

> > practically by discussion in the forum.

> >

> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> >

> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and

> > seperation

> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by

> > lottery gain?)

> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money

> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;

> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate

> > relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad

> > getting schorlarship;

> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal

> > relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

> >

> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> > TW

> >

> > <%40>, Punit

> > Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > >

> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > >

> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and

> > late

> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from

> > Adith

> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her

> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for

> > some

> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by

> > Moon

> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's

> > email.

> > > 2. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers

> > who

> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my

> > email

> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give

> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.

> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before

> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring

> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do

> > this

> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source

> > as

> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an

> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always

> > remain

> > > non-reliable.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > >

> > > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is uploaded in

> > > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really

> > > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has

> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt

> > or opp

> > > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP Reader III p 205

> > (Old

> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but

> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us

> > know to

> > > > study in this regard.

> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th

> > and

> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the

> > result to

> > > > the forum.

> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get

> > a

> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi

> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar

> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of

> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,

> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than

> > having a

> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of

> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV

> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his

> > grand

> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for

> > death.

> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation

> > and

> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of

> > partner's

> > > > walking out.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > TW

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > <%40>,

> > Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > > >

> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > > > http://logy.astrosage.com/punarphoo) in the chart under

> > > > discussion,

> > > > > only sign exchange.

> > > > >

> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is

> > > > uploaded in

> > > > > > the File section.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > TW

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

<%40><%

> > 40>,

> > > > Punit

> > > >

> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. "

> > seems

> > > > very

> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is

> > something

> > > > quite

> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on

> > delaying

> > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the

> > marriage

> > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows

> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth

> > > > details

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with

> > post-mortem

> > > > and

> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said

> > point

> > > > seems

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat

> > being

> > > > 7th

> > > > > > CSL

> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many

> > points

> > > > have

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat

> > sign

> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause

> > Punarpoo

> > > > > > also. But

> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may

> > be

> > > > we

> > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz

> > # 1

> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Adith

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by

> > Sunil

> > > > ji,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love

> > > > marriage/

> > > > > > happy

> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.

> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts

> > who

> > > > are

> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period.

> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking

> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.

> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto

> > > > > > > >>> is not considered...also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.ismore

> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of

> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when

> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives

> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> --- In

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> > 40><%

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > 40>, " adith

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is

> > lord

> > > > of

> > > > > > 12 is

> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in

> > 6)

> > > > and

> > > > > > sat

> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star

> > level

> > > > is

> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again

> > in

> > > > > > Jupiter (

> > > > > > > >>> R)

> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by

> > sublord

> > > > > > present,

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the

> > > > marraige

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few

> > cases

> > > > > > study,

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in

> > many

> > > > cases.

> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's

> > star*

> > > > which

> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study

> > > > charts

> > > > > > > >>> which I

> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe

> > analysis.

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.

> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts

> > > > crossed

> > > > > > 11th

> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly

> > > > > > signfies

> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11

> > posited

> > > > in 11

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > >>> its

> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter

> > (as

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the

> > > > > > signfications

> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the

> > lord

> > > > of

> > > > > > 5

> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got

> > > > married

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy

> > > > marital

> > > > > > > >>> life

> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar

> > <sunilalaka@

> > > > > > >wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many

> > > > experieced

> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM;Aurangabad,19N53,75E20

> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune...Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects

> > Neptune

> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the

> > native..

> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no

> > > > stability

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > >>> job

> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the

> > dasa

> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still

> > unmarried.

> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star..

> > again a

> > > > > > Neptune

> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL

> > > > signifies

> > > > > > any of

> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this

> > 7CSL

> > > > > > (which

> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is

> > connected

> > > > with

> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have

> > some

> > > > effect

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I

> > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as

> > > > experienced

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > >>> him in

> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be

> > > > > > promised

> > > > > > > >>> due to

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and

> > get

> > > > his

> > > > > > > >>> personal

> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even

> > now.

> > > > He

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > >>> given many

> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine

> > " Nakshatrache

> > > > > > Dene "

> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those

> > > > articles.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in

> > archive.

> > > > If

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > >>> can

> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of

> > > > marriage I

> > > > > > > >>> will be

> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------------------------

> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_vijayanand@>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:*

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> > > > 40><%

> > > >

> > > > > > 40>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@; guide_vijayanand@

> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials

> > -

> > > > View

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord

> > shani

> > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other

> > planet,

> > > > > > aspected

> > > > > > > >>> planet

> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if

> > 7csl is

> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then

> > > > aspected

> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary

> > as

> > > > well

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being

> > aspected by

> > > > > > pluto,

> > > > > > > >>> then

> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we

> > see

> > > > that

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > >>> these

> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a

> > > > > > considerable

> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > > having

> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this

> > > > case,

> > > > > > pluto

> > > > > > > >>> is not

> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results.

> > Though,

> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > > >>> has

> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I

> > had

> > > > an

> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I

> > delighted

> > > > with

> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto

> > to

> > > > 7th

> > > > > > cusp.

> > > > > > > >>> So not

> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another

> > > > reasons

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The

> > > > SCientific

> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtra,

> > India

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+91 9673746303

> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_vijayanand@

> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astroguide@

> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 .......7CSL Sat

> > > > aspects

> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage

> > question

> > > > of

> > > > > > DBA

> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise.My understanding of Sunil ji's

> > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > >>> is even

> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect

> > Pluto

> > > > the

> > > > > > > >>> result is

> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In

> > message #

> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also

> > Mr.

> > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of neptune is not

> > yet

> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed.....................................but pluto

> > > > gives

> > > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4.

> > When

> > > > we

> > > > > > say

> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This

> > is

> > > > based

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has

> > > > negative

> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of

> > cases

> > > > > > should be

> > > > > > > >>> studied

> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets

> > such

> > > > as

> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto,

> > Neptune,

> > > > > > Uranus

> > > > > > > >>> which have

> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the

> > effects.

> > > > This

> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by

> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on

> > financials

> > > > -

> > > > > > View

> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or

> > star

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > >>> theory

> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny

> > marriage.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > 16123

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to

> > deny

> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > 16114

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the

> > house

> > > > > > (there

> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no

> > marriage

> > > > > > instead

> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > 14157

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil

> > ji

> > > > has

> > > > > > > >>> found any

> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of

> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not

> > found

> > > > in KP

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a

> > small

> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of

> > idea

> > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation.

> > This

> > > > > > confirms

> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of

> > DBAS

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View

> > from

> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > 16123

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > 16114

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > 14157

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying

> > the

> > > > > > effects of

> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more

> > > > > > appropriate

> > > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather

> > than

> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248

> > years

> > > > to

> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses

> > each

> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out

> > of

> > > > 27

> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for

> > analyzing

> > > > its

> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009

> > Honorable

> > > > TW ji

> > > > > > > >>> says

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God

> > > > Shiva,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to

> > bring

> > > > deep

> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is

> > > > > > destruction

> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page

> > 477). "

> > > > > > This

> > > > > > > >>> shows

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and

> > Neptune

> > > > are

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has

> > experienced

> > > > such

> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on

> > > > Pluto's

> > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no

> > > > research

> > > > > > > >>> data

> > > > > > > >>> > >> available. Further

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in

> > Vimshottari

> > > > Dasha

> > > > > > > >>> System.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is

> > > > conjunction

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed

> > > > orb). I

> > > > > > > >>> would

> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is

> > > > correct

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he

> > has

> > > > > > come

> > > > > > > >>> across

> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my

> > services

> > > > for

> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View

> > > > from

> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine

> > Aug

> > > > > > 2009)

> > > > > > > >>> Western

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his

> > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,

> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>> known as

> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart.

> > Jeffrey

> > > > Green

> > > > > > > >>> said that

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the

> > mystery

> > > > of

> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A

> > positive

> > > > > > side of

> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian

> > > > > > profession is

> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,

> > > > page

> > > > > > 46)

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance

> > of

> > > > > > Pluto

> > > > > > > >>> and

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank

> > 4.0

> > > > are

> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H.. Ne.. Pl

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%.

> > The

> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different

> > from

> > > > the

> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise

> > > > > > appearance is

> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7

> > and

> > > > 8

> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be

> > the

> > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > >>> of no

> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8

> > houses.

> > > > Hence

> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere

> > appearance

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and

> > Relationships

> > > > or

> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not

> > > > wholly

> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and

> > astrological

> > > > > > aspects.

> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points

> > specific

> > > > > > procedure

> > > > > > > >>> followed

> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is

> > supposed to

> > > > > > magnify

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that

> > > > planet

> > > > > > > >>> always for

> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn

> > connection

> > > > > > carries

> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success

> > and

> > > > > > wealth.

> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or

> > > > benefic.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power

> > > > > > struggle

> > > > > > > >>> between

> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible

> > undesirable

> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in

> > the

> > > > 7th is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma

> > to

> > > > > > relinquish

> > > > > > > >>> them

> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the

> > AA

> > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no

> > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable

> > to

> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's

> > adverse

> > > > > > effects,

> > > > > > > >>> which

> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of

> > one

> > > > > > hundred

> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by

> > Judith

> > > > Hill

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this

> > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple

> > of

> > > > > > write

> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on

> > > > effect

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects

> > . I

> > > > had

> > > > > > > >>> almost

> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the

> > contents

> > > > from

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto Effects " the

> > > > extra

> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am

> > following

> > > > these

> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are

> > > > considered.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3

> > deg.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also

> > aspecting

> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > @4

> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering

> > good

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto

> > > > effects

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > >>> when

> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and

> > i

> > > > have

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > >>> many

> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of

> > 7,8,9.

> > > > Out of

> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close

> > > > > > cojunction

> > > > > > > >>> with the

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord

> > of

> > > > 8.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no

> > planet in

> > > > its

> > > > > > > >>> star).

> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further

> > > > Mercury

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > >>> in

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10,

> > the

> > > > 5(12

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable

> > and

> > > > it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>> being

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its

> > star)

> > > > .

> > > > > > But

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad,

> > as it

> > > > may

> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign

> > > > countries.

> > > > > > But

> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman

> > > > amitbs2002@

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen

> > > > shot in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare

> > the

> > > > cusp

> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its

> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance

> > > > ),11 & 10.

> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession

> > but

> > > > also

> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining

> > he

> > > > will

> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for

> > bad

> > > > > > economic

> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that

> > it is

> > > > bad

> > > > > > .

> > > > > > > >>> We see

> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.

> > > > > > signification

> > > > > > > >>> are

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=

> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that

> > 10th

> > > > sub

> > > > > > > >>> should

> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11

> > are

> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this

> > > > time,usingK. P.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as

> > Saturn...earlier

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of

> > II

> > > > as

> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the

> > sublord

> > > > and

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord

> > and

> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for

> > this

> > > > > > TOB...you

> > > > > > > >>> will

> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a

> > > > horoscope

> > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a

> > couple of

> > > > > > issues

> > > > > > > >>> . I

> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life.

> > When

> > > > i

> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was

> > 100%

> > > > > > wrong on

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any

> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point

> > out

> > > > how

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are

> > the

> > > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

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Dear Lajmi ji,

 

Thank your for providing the rectified TOB 10-14-30 AM IST and we'll see how it

works by the practical analysis.

 

Thanks and regards,

Tin Win

 

 

, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:

>

> Dear TW,

>              I am pleased to inform you that the TOB rectified by me was

confirmed by Mr. Gurmeet Singh...10-14-30 AM. IST at Ludhiana...

>             I have sent many a BTRs through this site...ALL of them have

proved correct,except perhaps a single exception...

>             Yogesh Lajmi.

>             

>

> --- On Sun, 10/4/09, TW <tw853 wrote:

>

>

> TW <tw853

> Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

>

> Sunday, October 4, 2009, 1:40 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear BTR practising Friends,

>

> 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting

chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by

discussion in the forum.

>

> 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

>

> 3. Major events are as given under.

> 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation

> 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery

gain?)

> 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money

> 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;

> 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate

relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting

schorlarship;

> 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal

relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

>

> Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

>

> Thanks and regards,

> TW

>

> @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tw ji,

> >

> > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> >

> > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and late

> > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith

> > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her

> > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some

> > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon

> > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.

> > 2. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who

> > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my

email

> > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give

> > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.

> > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before

> > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring

> > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this

> > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as

> > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an

> > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always remain

> > non-reliable.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > >

> > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is uploaded in

> > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really

> > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has

> > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or

opp

> > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP Reader III p 205

(Old

> > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but

> > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know

to

> > > study in this regard.

> > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and

> > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result

to

> > > the forum.

> > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a

> > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi

> > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar

> > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of

> > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,

> > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a

> > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of

> > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV

> > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his

grand

> > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for

death.

> > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and

> > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's

> > > walking out.

> > >

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > > TW

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > >

> > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under

> > > discussion,

> > > > only sign exchange.

> > > >

> > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is

> > > uploaded in

> > > > > the File section.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > TW

> > > > >

> > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,

> > > Punit

> > >

> > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. " seems

> > > very

> > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something

> > > quite

> > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on

delaying

> > > > > nature

> > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage

> > > > > delay.

> > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows

> > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth

> > > details

> > > > > have

> > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem

> > > and

> > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point

> > > seems

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being

> > > 7th

> > > > > CSL

> > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points

> > > have

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign

> > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo

> > > > > also. But

> > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be

> > > we

> > > > > have to

> > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1

> > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Adith

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil

> > > ji,

> > > > > I

> > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love

> > > marriage/

> > > > > happy

> > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.

> > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who

> > > are

> > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period.

> > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking

> > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.

> > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto

> > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more

> > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of

> > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when

> > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives

> > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40..

com><k_p_ system%

> > >

> > >

> > > > > 40. com>, " adith

> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord

> > > of

> > > > > 12 is

> > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)

> > > and

> > > > > sat

> > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level

> > > is

> > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in

> > > > > Jupiter (

> > > > > > >>> R)

> > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord

> > > > > present,

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the

> > > marraige

> > > > > is

> > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases

> > > > > study,

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many

> > > cases.

> > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*

> > > which

> > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study

> > > charts

> > > > > > >>> which I

> > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis..

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.

> > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts

> > > crossed

> > > > > 11th

> > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly

> > > > > signfies

> > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited

> > > in 11

> > > > > in

> > > > > > >>> its

> > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter

(as

> > > > > your

> > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the

> > > > > signfications

> > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the

lord

> > > of

> > > > > 5

> > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got

> > > married

> > > > > to

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy

> > > marital

> > > > > > >>> life

> > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar

<sunilalaka@

> > > > > >wrote:

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many

> > > experieced

> > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20

> > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects

Neptune

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the

native..

> > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no

> > > stability

> > > > > in

> > > > > > >>> job

> > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa

> > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still

unmarried.

> > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again

a

> > > > > Neptune

> > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL

> > > signifies

> > > > > any of

> > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this

7CSL

> > > > > (which

> > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected

> > > with

> > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some

> > > effect

> > > > > on

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I

> > > > > understood

> > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as

> > > experienced

> > > > > by

> > > > > > >>> him in

> > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be

> > > > > promised

> > > > > > >>> due to

> > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get

> > > his

> > > > > > >>> personal

> > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.

> > > He

> > > > > has

> > > > > > >>> given many

> > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine " Nakshatrache

> > > > > Dene "

> > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those

> > > articles.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.

> > > If

> > > > > you

> > > > > > >>> can

> > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of

> > > marriage I

> > > > > > >>> will be

> > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >

> > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%

> > > 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > >

> > > > > 40. com>

> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@

> > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -

> > > View

> > > > > from

> > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani

> > > > > aspects

> > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,

> > > > > aspected

> > > > > > >>> planet

> > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl

is

> > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then

> > > aspected

> > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as

> > > well

> > > > > as

> > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected

by

> > > > > pluto,

> > > > > > >>> then

> > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see

> > > that

> > > > > when

> > > > > > >>> these

> > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a

> > > > > considerable

> > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is

> > > not

> > > > > having

> > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this

> > > case,

> > > > > pluto

> > > > > > >>> is not

> > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,

> > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > >>> has

> > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I

had

> > > an

> > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted

> > > with

> > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to

> > > 7th

> > > > > cusp.

> > > > > > >>> So not

> > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another

> > > reasons

> > > > > which

> > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The

> > > SCientific

> > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a,

India

> > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 .......7CSL Sat

> > > aspects

> > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage

question

> > > of

> > > > > DBA

> > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise.My understanding of Sunil ji's

> > > > > principle

> > > > > > >>> is even

> > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect

Pluto

> > > the

> > > > > > >>> result is

> > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message #

> > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also

Mr.

> > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of neptune is not yet

> > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... ......... .......but pluto

> > > gives

> > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4.

When

> > > we

> > > > > say

> > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is

> > > based

> > > > > on

> > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has

> > > negative

> > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases

> > > > > should be

> > > > > > >>> studied

> > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such

> > > as

> > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,

> > > > > Uranus

> > > > > > >>> which have

> > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.

> > > This

> > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by

> > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on

financials

> > > -

> > > > > View

> > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or

star

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > >>> theory

> > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.

> > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123

> > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny

> > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114

> > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house

> > > > > (there

> > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage

> > > > > instead

> > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.

> > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji

> > > has

> > > > > > >>> found any

> > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of

> > > Pluto

> > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found

> > > in KP

> > > > > or

> > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a

small

> > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of

idea

> > > is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This

> > > > > confirms

> > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of

DBAS

> > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from

> > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > 16123

> > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > 16114

> > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > 14157

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the

> > > > > effects of

> > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more

> > > > > appropriate

> > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather

than

> > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years

> > > to

> > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each

> > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of

> > > 27

> > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing

> > > its

> > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable

> > > TW ji

> > > > > > >>> says

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God

> > > Shiva,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring

> > > deep

> > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is

> > > > > destruction

> > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page

477). "

> > > > > This

> > > > > > >>> shows

> > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune

> > > are

> > > > > not

> > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced

> > > such

> > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on

> > > Pluto's

> > > > > (or

> > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no

> > > research

> > > > > > >>> data

> > > > > > >>> > >> available. Further

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari

> > > Dasha

> > > > > > >>> System.

> > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is

> > > conjunction

> > > > > or

> > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed

> > > orb). I

> > > > > > >>> would

> > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is

> > > correct

> > > > > or

> > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he

has

> > > > > come

> > > > > > >>> across

> > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services

> > > for

> > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View

> > > from

> > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug

> > > > > 2009)

> > > > > > >>> Western

> > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his

> > > > > daughter

> > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,

> > > Pluto

> > > > > is

> > > > > > >>> known as

> > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey

> > > Green

> > > > > > >>> said that

> > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the

mystery

> > > of

> > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A

positive

> > > > > side of

> > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian

> > > > > profession is

> > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,

> > > page

> > > > > 46)

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of

> > > > > Pluto

> > > > > > >>> and

> > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0

> > > are

> > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > H.. Ne.. Pl

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%.

The

> > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from

> > > the

> > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise

> > > > > appearance is

> > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7

and

> > > 8

> > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be

the

> > > > > cause

> > > > > > >>> of no

> > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses..

> > > Hence

> > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and

Relationships

> > > or

> > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not

> > > wholly

> > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological

> > > > > aspects.

> > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific

> > > > > procedure

> > > > > > >>> followed

> > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed

to

> > > > > magnify

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that

> > > planet

> > > > > > >>> always for

> > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection

> > > > > carries

> > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and

> > > > > wealth.

> > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or

> > > benefic.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power

> > > > > struggle

> > > > > > >>> between

> > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable

> > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the

> > > 7th is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to

> > > > > relinquish

> > > > > > >>> them

> > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA

> > > > > charts

> > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no

> > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to

> > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse

> > > > > effects,

> > > > > > >>> which

> > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of

one

> > > > > hundred

> > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith

> > > Hill

> > > > > in

> > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this

> > > horoscope

> > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of

> > > > > write

> > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on

> > > effect

> > > > > of

> > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects ..

I

> > > had

> > > > > > >>> almost

> > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents

> > > from

> > > > > his

> > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto Effects " the

> > > extra

> > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following

> > > these

> > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are

> > > considered.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting

> > > Pluto

> > > > > @4

> > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering

good

> > > > > results

> > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto

> > > effects

> > > > > and

> > > > > > >>> when

> > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i

> > > have

> > > > > got

> > > > > > >>> many

> > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9..

> > > Out of

> > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close

> > > > > cojunction

> > > > > > >>> with the

> > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of

> > > 8.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet

in

> > > its

> > > > > > >>> star).

> > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further

> > > Mercury

> > > > > being

> > > > > > >>> in

> > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the

> > > 5(12

> > > > > to

> > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable

and

> > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > >>> being

> > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)

> > > .

> > > > > But

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as

it

> > > may

> > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign

> > > countries.

> > > > > But

> > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman

> > > amitbs2002@

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen

> > > shot in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the

> > > cusp

> > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its

> > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance

> > > ),11 & 10.

> > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but

> > > also

> > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he

> > > will

> > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad

> > > > > economic

> > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it

is

> > > bad

> > > > > .

> > > > > > >>> We see

> > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.

> > > > > signification

> > > > > > >>> are

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=

> > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th

> > > sub

> > > > > > >>> should

> > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are

> > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this

> > > time,usingK. P.

> > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as

Saturn...earlier

> > > > > your

> > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II

> > > as

> > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord

> > > and

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord

and

> > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this

> > > > > TOB...you

> > > > > > >>> will

> > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a

> > > horoscope

> > > > > of a

> > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple

of

> > > > > issues

> > > > > > >>> . I

> > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When

> > > i

> > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%

> > > > > wrong on

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any

> > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point

out

> > > how

> > > > > he

> > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are

the

> > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

I agree with lajmi ji. I made list of all important events in my life and gave

them to lajmi ji, and he rectified the birth time. On the day of my marriage

Rahu was right on the ascendant degree and I was in Rahu Mahadasha.

 

G. Singh

 

, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:

>

> Dear TW,

>              I am pleased to inform you that the TOB rectified by me was

confirmed by Mr. Gurmeet Singh...10-14-30 AM. IST at Ludhiana...

>             I have sent many a BTRs through this site...ALL of them have

proved correct,except perhaps a single exception...

>             Yogesh Lajmi.

>             

>

> --- On Sun, 10/4/09, TW <tw853 wrote:

>

>

> TW <tw853

> Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

>

> Sunday, October 4, 2009, 1:40 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear BTR practising Friends,

>

> 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting

chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by

discussion in the forum.

>

> 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

>

> 3. Major events are as given under.

> 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation

> 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery

gain?)

> 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money

> 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;

> 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate

relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting

schorlarship;

> 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal

relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

>

> Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

>

> Thanks and regards,

> TW

>

> @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tw ji,

> >

> > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> >

> > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and late

> > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith

> > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her

> > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some

> > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon

> > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.

> > 2. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who

> > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my

email

> > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give

> > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.

> > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before

> > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring

> > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this

> > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as

> > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an

> > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always remain

> > non-reliable.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > >

> > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is uploaded in

> > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really

> > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has

> > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or

opp

> > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP Reader III p 205

(Old

> > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but

> > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know

to

> > > study in this regard.

> > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and

> > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result

to

> > > the forum.

> > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a

> > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi

> > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar

> > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of

> > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,

> > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a

> > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of

> > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV

> > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his

grand

> > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for

death.

> > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and

> > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's

> > > walking out.

> > >

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > > TW

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > >

> > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under

> > > discussion,

> > > > only sign exchange.

> > > >

> > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is

> > > uploaded in

> > > > > the File section.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > TW

> > > > >

> > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,

> > > Punit

> > >

> > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. " seems

> > > very

> > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something

> > > quite

> > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on

delaying

> > > > > nature

> > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage

> > > > > delay.

> > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows

> > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth

> > > details

> > > > > have

> > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem

> > > and

> > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point

> > > seems

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being

> > > 7th

> > > > > CSL

> > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points

> > > have

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign

> > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo

> > > > > also. But

> > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be

> > > we

> > > > > have to

> > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1

> > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Adith

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil

> > > ji,

> > > > > I

> > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love

> > > marriage/

> > > > > happy

> > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.

> > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who

> > > are

> > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period.

> > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking

> > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.

> > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto

> > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more

> > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of

> > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when

> > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives

> > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40..

com><k_p_ system%

> > >

> > >

> > > > > 40. com>, " adith

> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord

> > > of

> > > > > 12 is

> > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)

> > > and

> > > > > sat

> > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level

> > > is

> > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in

> > > > > Jupiter (

> > > > > > >>> R)

> > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord

> > > > > present,

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the

> > > marraige

> > > > > is

> > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases

> > > > > study,

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many

> > > cases.

> > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*

> > > which

> > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study

> > > charts

> > > > > > >>> which I

> > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis..

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.

> > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts

> > > crossed

> > > > > 11th

> > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly

> > > > > signfies

> > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited

> > > in 11

> > > > > in

> > > > > > >>> its

> > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter

(as

> > > > > your

> > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the

> > > > > signfications

> > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the

lord

> > > of

> > > > > 5

> > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got

> > > married

> > > > > to

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy

> > > marital

> > > > > > >>> life

> > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar

<sunilalaka@

> > > > > >wrote:

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many

> > > experieced

> > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20

> > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects

Neptune

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the

native..

> > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no

> > > stability

> > > > > in

> > > > > > >>> job

> > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa

> > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still

unmarried.

> > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again

a

> > > > > Neptune

> > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL

> > > signifies

> > > > > any of

> > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this

7CSL

> > > > > (which

> > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected

> > > with

> > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some

> > > effect

> > > > > on

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I

> > > > > understood

> > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as

> > > experienced

> > > > > by

> > > > > > >>> him in

> > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be

> > > > > promised

> > > > > > >>> due to

> > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get

> > > his

> > > > > > >>> personal

> > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.

> > > He

> > > > > has

> > > > > > >>> given many

> > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine " Nakshatrache

> > > > > Dene "

> > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those

> > > articles.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.

> > > If

> > > > > you

> > > > > > >>> can

> > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of

> > > marriage I

> > > > > > >>> will be

> > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >

> > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%

> > > 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > >

> > > > > 40. com>

> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@

> > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -

> > > View

> > > > > from

> > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani

> > > > > aspects

> > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,

> > > > > aspected

> > > > > > >>> planet

> > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl

is

> > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then

> > > aspected

> > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as

> > > well

> > > > > as

> > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected

by

> > > > > pluto,

> > > > > > >>> then

> > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see

> > > that

> > > > > when

> > > > > > >>> these

> > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a

> > > > > considerable

> > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is

> > > not

> > > > > having

> > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this

> > > case,

> > > > > pluto

> > > > > > >>> is not

> > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,

> > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > >>> has

> > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I

had

> > > an

> > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted

> > > with

> > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to

> > > 7th

> > > > > cusp.

> > > > > > >>> So not

> > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another

> > > reasons

> > > > > which

> > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The

> > > SCientific

> > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a,

India

> > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 .......7CSL Sat

> > > aspects

> > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage

question

> > > of

> > > > > DBA

> > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise.My understanding of Sunil ji's

> > > > > principle

> > > > > > >>> is even

> > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect

Pluto

> > > the

> > > > > > >>> result is

> > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message #

> > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also

Mr.

> > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of neptune is not yet

> > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... ......... .......but pluto

> > > gives

> > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4.

When

> > > we

> > > > > say

> > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is

> > > based

> > > > > on

> > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has

> > > negative

> > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases

> > > > > should be

> > > > > > >>> studied

> > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such

> > > as

> > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,

> > > > > Uranus

> > > > > > >>> which have

> > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.

> > > This

> > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by

> > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on

financials

> > > -

> > > > > View

> > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or

star

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > >>> theory

> > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.

> > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123

> > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny

> > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114

> > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house

> > > > > (there

> > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage

> > > > > instead

> > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.

> > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji

> > > has

> > > > > > >>> found any

> > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of

> > > Pluto

> > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found

> > > in KP

> > > > > or

> > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a

small

> > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of

idea

> > > is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This

> > > > > confirms

> > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of

DBAS

> > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from

> > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > 16123

> > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > 16114

> > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > 14157

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the

> > > > > effects of

> > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more

> > > > > appropriate

> > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather

than

> > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years

> > > to

> > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each

> > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of

> > > 27

> > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing

> > > its

> > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable

> > > TW ji

> > > > > > >>> says

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God

> > > Shiva,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring

> > > deep

> > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is

> > > > > destruction

> > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page

477). "

> > > > > This

> > > > > > >>> shows

> > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune

> > > are

> > > > > not

> > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced

> > > such

> > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on

> > > Pluto's

> > > > > (or

> > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no

> > > research

> > > > > > >>> data

> > > > > > >>> > >> available. Further

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari

> > > Dasha

> > > > > > >>> System.

> > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is

> > > conjunction

> > > > > or

> > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed

> > > orb). I

> > > > > > >>> would

> > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is

> > > correct

> > > > > or

> > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he

has

> > > > > come

> > > > > > >>> across

> > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services

> > > for

> > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View

> > > from

> > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug

> > > > > 2009)

> > > > > > >>> Western

> > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his

> > > > > daughter

> > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,

> > > Pluto

> > > > > is

> > > > > > >>> known as

> > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey

> > > Green

> > > > > > >>> said that

> > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the

mystery

> > > of

> > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A

positive

> > > > > side of

> > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian

> > > > > profession is

> > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,

> > > page

> > > > > 46)

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of

> > > > > Pluto

> > > > > > >>> and

> > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0

> > > are

> > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > H.. Ne.. Pl

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%.

The

> > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from

> > > the

> > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise

> > > > > appearance is

> > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7

and

> > > 8

> > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be

the

> > > > > cause

> > > > > > >>> of no

> > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses..

> > > Hence

> > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and

Relationships

> > > or

> > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not

> > > wholly

> > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological

> > > > > aspects.

> > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific

> > > > > procedure

> > > > > > >>> followed

> > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed

to

> > > > > magnify

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that

> > > planet

> > > > > > >>> always for

> > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection

> > > > > carries

> > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and

> > > > > wealth.

> > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or

> > > benefic.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power

> > > > > struggle

> > > > > > >>> between

> > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable

> > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the

> > > 7th is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to

> > > > > relinquish

> > > > > > >>> them

> > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA

> > > > > charts

> > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no

> > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to

> > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse

> > > > > effects,

> > > > > > >>> which

> > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of

one

> > > > > hundred

> > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith

> > > Hill

> > > > > in

> > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this

> > > horoscope

> > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of

> > > > > write

> > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on

> > > effect

> > > > > of

> > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects ..

I

> > > had

> > > > > > >>> almost

> > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents

> > > from

> > > > > his

> > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto Effects " the

> > > extra

> > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following

> > > these

> > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are

> > > considered.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting

> > > Pluto

> > > > > @4

> > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering

good

> > > > > results

> > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto

> > > effects

> > > > > and

> > > > > > >>> when

> > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i

> > > have

> > > > > got

> > > > > > >>> many

> > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9..

> > > Out of

> > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close

> > > > > cojunction

> > > > > > >>> with the

> > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of

> > > 8.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet

in

> > > its

> > > > > > >>> star).

> > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further

> > > Mercury

> > > > > being

> > > > > > >>> in

> > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the

> > > 5(12

> > > > > to

> > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable

and

> > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > >>> being

> > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)

> > > .

> > > > > But

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as

it

> > > may

> > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign

> > > countries.

> > > > > But

> > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman

> > > amitbs2002@

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen

> > > shot in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the

> > > cusp

> > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its

> > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance

> > > ),11 & 10.

> > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but

> > > also

> > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he

> > > will

> > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad

> > > > > economic

> > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it

is

> > > bad

> > > > > .

> > > > > > >>> We see

> > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.

> > > > > signification

> > > > > > >>> are

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=

> > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th

> > > sub

> > > > > > >>> should

> > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are

> > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this

> > > time,usingK. P.

> > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as

Saturn...earlier

> > > > > your

> > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II

> > > as

> > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord

> > > and

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord

and

> > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this

> > > > > TOB...you

> > > > > > >>> will

> > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a

> > > horoscope

> > > > > of a

> > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple

of

> > > > > issues

> > > > > > >>> . I

> > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When

> > > i

> > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%

> > > > > wrong on

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any

> > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point

out

> > > how

> > > > > he

> > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are

the

> > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

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> > > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar

> > > > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask. com

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[Guest guest]

Dear Friend,

 

1. Thank you for your response for 10:14:30 AM. However there is no " correct

birth time " in the international astrology but only the rectified TOB, and AA,

A, B, C .... rated TOBs because no body knows what is the correct TOB and even

what is the time of birth is not yet agreeable like chasing the wild goose as

said by Shri Kuppu Ganapathi ji.

 

2. This TOB 10:14:30 AM and also other two TOBs posted will be checked by the

practical analysis.

/message/27626

 

Thanks and regards,

TW

 

 

 

, " G " <hbk1hbk_2100 wrote:

>

> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth time.

>

> G. Singh

>

> , " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> >

> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very

interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically

by discussion in the forum.

> >

> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> >

> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation

> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by

lottery gain?)

> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money

> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;

> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate

relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting

schorlarship;

> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal

relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

> >

> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> > TW

> >

> >

> > , Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > >

> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > >

> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and

late

> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from

Adith

> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her

> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for

some

> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon

> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's

email.

> > > 2. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers

who

> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my

email

> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give

> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.

> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before

> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring

> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this

> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source

as

> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an

> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always

remain

> > > non-reliable.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > >

> > > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is uploaded in

> > > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really

> > > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It

has

> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or

opp

> > > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP Reader III p 205

(Old

> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but

> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us

know to

> > > > study in this regard.

> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and

> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the

result to

> > > > the forum.

> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get

a

> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi

> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar

> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of

> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,

> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having

a

> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of

> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV

> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his

grand

> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for

death.

> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation

and

> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of

partner's

> > > > walking out.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > TW

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > > >

> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > > > http://logy.astrosage.com/punarphoo) in the chart under

> > > > discussion,

> > > > > only sign exchange.

> > > > >

> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is

> > > > uploaded in

> > > > > > the File section.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > TW

> > > > > >

> > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > Punit

> > > >

> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. " seems

> > > > very

> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something

> > > > quite

> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on

delaying

> > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the

marriage

> > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows

> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth

> > > > details

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem

> > > > and

> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said

point

> > > > seems

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being

> > > > 7th

> > > > > > CSL

> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many

points

> > > > have

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat

sign

> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause

Punarpoo

> > > > > > also. But

> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may

be

> > > > we

> > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz #

1

> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Adith

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by

Sunil

> > > > ji,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love

> > > > marriage/

> > > > > > happy

> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.

> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts

who

> > > > are

> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period.

> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking

> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.

> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto

> > > > > > > >>> is not considered...also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more

> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of

> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when

> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives

> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>>

<%40><%

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > > 40>, " adith

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is

lord

> > > > of

> > > > > > 12 is

> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in

6)

> > > > and

> > > > > > sat

> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star

level

> > > > is

> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again

in

> > > > > > Jupiter (

> > > > > > > >>> R)

> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord

> > > > > > present,

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the

> > > > marraige

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few

cases

> > > > > > study,

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many

> > > > cases.

> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's

star*

> > > > which

> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study

> > > > charts

> > > > > > > >>> which I

> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.

> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts

> > > > crossed

> > > > > > 11th

> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly

> > > > > > signfies

> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11

posited

> > > > in 11

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > >>> its

> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter

(as

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the

> > > > > > signfications

> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the

lord

> > > > of

> > > > > > 5

> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got

> > > > married

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy

> > > > marital

> > > > > > > >>> life

> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar

<sunilalaka@

> > > > > > >wrote:

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many

> > > > experieced

> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM;Aurangabad,19N53,75E20

> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune...Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects

Neptune

> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the

native..

> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no

> > > > stability

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > >>> job

> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the

dasa

> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still

unmarried.

> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star..

again a

> > > > > > Neptune

> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL

> > > > signifies

> > > > > > any of

> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this

7CSL

> > > > > > (which

> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected

> > > > with

> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some

> > > > effect

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I

> > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as

> > > > experienced

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > >>> him in

> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be

> > > > > > promised

> > > > > > > >>> due to

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get

> > > > his

> > > > > > > >>> personal

> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even

now.

> > > > He

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > >>> given many

> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine

" Nakshatrache

> > > > > > Dene "

> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those

> > > > articles.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in

archive.

> > > > If

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > >>> can

> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of

> > > > marriage I

> > > > > > > >>> will be

> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------------------------

> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_vijayanand@>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* <%

> > > > 40><%

> > > >

> > > > > > 40>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@; guide_vijayanand@

> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -

> > > > View

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani

> > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other

planet,

> > > > > > aspected

> > > > > > > >>> planet

> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl

is

> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then

> > > > aspected

> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as

> > > > well

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected

by

> > > > > > pluto,

> > > > > > > >>> then

> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we

see

> > > > that

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > >>> these

> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a

> > > > > > considerable

> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is

> > > > not

> > > > > > having

> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this

> > > > case,

> > > > > > pluto

> > > > > > > >>> is not

> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results.

Though,

> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > > >>> has

> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I

had

> > > > an

> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I

delighted

> > > > with

> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to

> > > > 7th

> > > > > > cusp.

> > > > > > > >>> So not

> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another

> > > > reasons

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The

> > > > SCientific

> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtra,

India

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+91 9673746303

> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_vijayanand@

> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astroguide@

> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 .......7CSL Sat

> > > > aspects

> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage

question

> > > > of

> > > > > > DBA

> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise.My understanding of Sunil ji's

> > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > >>> is even

> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect

Pluto

> > > > the

> > > > > > > >>> result is

> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message

#

> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also

Mr.

> > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of neptune is not

yet

> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed.....................................but pluto

> > > > gives

> > > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4.

When

> > > > we

> > > > > > say

> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is

> > > > based

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has

> > > > negative

> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of

cases

> > > > > > should be

> > > > > > > >>> studied

> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets

such

> > > > as

> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto,

Neptune,

> > > > > > Uranus

> > > > > > > >>> which have

> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the

effects.

> > > > This

> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by

> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,

> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on

financials

> > > > -

> > > > > > View

> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or

star

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > >>> theory

> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny

marriage.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

16123

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to

deny

> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

16114

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the

house

> > > > > > (there

> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no

marriage

> > > > > > instead

> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

14157

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil

ji

> > > > has

> > > > > > > >>> found any

> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of

> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not

found

> > > > in KP

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a

small

> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of

idea

> > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This

> > > > > > confirms

> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of

DBAS

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View

from

> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > 16123

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > 16114

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > 14157

> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare

wrote:

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the

> > > > > > effects of

> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more

> > > > > > appropriate

> > > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather

than

> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248

years

> > > > to

> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses

each

> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out

of

> > > > 27

> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for

analyzing

> > > > its

> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009

Honorable

> > > > TW ji

> > > > > > > >>> says

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God

> > > > Shiva,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to

bring

> > > > deep

> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is

> > > > > > destruction

> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page

477). "

> > > > > > This

> > > > > > > >>> shows

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and

Neptune

> > > > are

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced

> > > > such

> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on

> > > > Pluto's

> > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no

> > > > research

> > > > > > > >>> data

> > > > > > > >>> > >> available. Further

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari

> > > > Dasha

> > > > > > > >>> System.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is

> > > > conjunction

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed

> > > > orb). I

> > > > > > > >>> would

> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is

> > > > correct

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he

has

> > > > > > come

> > > > > > > >>> across

> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services

> > > > for

> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View

> > > > from

> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine

Aug

> > > > > > 2009)

> > > > > > > >>> Western

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his

> > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,

> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>> known as

> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart.

Jeffrey

> > > > Green

> > > > > > > >>> said that

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the

mystery

> > > > of

> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A

positive

> > > > > > side of

> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian

> > > > > > profession is

> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,

> > > > page

> > > > > > 46)

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance

of

> > > > > > Pluto

> > > > > > > >>> and

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank

4.0

> > > > are

> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H.. Ne.. Pl

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%.

The

> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from

> > > > the

> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise

> > > > > > appearance is

> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7

and

> > > > 8

> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be

the

> > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > >>> of no

> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.

> > > > Hence

> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere

appearance

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and

Relationships

> > > > or

> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not

> > > > wholly

> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological

> > > > > > aspects.

> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific

> > > > > > procedure

> > > > > > > >>> followed

> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed

to

> > > > > > magnify

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that

> > > > planet

> > > > > > > >>> always for

> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn

connection

> > > > > > carries

> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success

and

> > > > > > wealth.

> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or

> > > > benefic.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power

> > > > > > struggle

> > > > > > > >>> between

> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable

> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the

> > > > 7th is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to

> > > > > > relinquish

> > > > > > > >>> them

> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the

AA

> > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no

> > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable

to

> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's

adverse

> > > > > > effects,

> > > > > > > >>> which

> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of

one

> > > > > > hundred

> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith

> > > > Hill

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this

> > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple

of

> > > > > > write

> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on

> > > > effect

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects .

I

> > > > had

> > > > > > > >>> almost

> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the

contents

> > > > from

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto Effects " the

> > > > extra

> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am

following

> > > > these

> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are

> > > > considered.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3

deg.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also

aspecting

> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > @4

> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering

good

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto

> > > > effects

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > >>> when

> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i

> > > > have

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > >>> many

> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.

> > > > Out of

> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close

> > > > > > cojunction

> > > > > > > >>> with the

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord

of

> > > > 8.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet

in

> > > > its

> > > > > > > >>> star).

> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further

> > > > Mercury

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > >>> in

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10,

the

> > > > 5(12

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable

and

> > > > it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >>> being

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its

star)

> > > > .

> > > > > > But

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as

it

> > > > may

> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign

> > > > countries.

> > > > > > But

> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman

> > > > amitbs2002@

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen

> > > > shot in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare

the

> > > > cusp

> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its

> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance

> > > > ),11 & 10.

> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession

but

> > > > also

> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining

he

> > > > will

> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for

bad

> > > > > > economic

> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it

is

> > > > bad

> > > > > > .

> > > > > > > >>> We see

> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.

> > > > > > signification

> > > > > > > >>> are

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=

> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that

10th

> > > > sub

> > > > > > > >>> should

> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11

are

> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this

> > > > time,usingK. P.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as

Saturn...earlier

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of

II

> > > > as

> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the

sublord

> > > > and

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord

and

> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for

this

> > > > > > TOB...you

> > > > > > > >>> will

> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a

> > > > horoscope

> > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple

of

> > > > > > issues

> > > > > > > >>> . I

> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life.

When

> > > > i

> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was

100%

> > > > > > wrong on

> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any

> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point

out

> > > > how

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are

the

> > > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

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> > > > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar

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Dear Mr.Vijayanand Ji,you said " cross checking the past events is not the authentic way to rectification of Birth Time". Then what is the authentic way to know the correctness of the rectified Birth Time ?Thanks and Regards,Naidu KP.K. P.. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Mon, 5/10/09, TW <tw853 wrote:TW <tw853 Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar Date: Monday, 5 October, 2009, 12:26 AM

 

 

Dear Patil ji,

 

Thanks for your response. Other than discussing the BTR, here the request is the rectified TOB to check how the major events are tallied by the KP rules and to access the future prediction, looking at mainly Dasa-Bhukti levels of PM and Minister.

 

Thanks and regards,

TW

 

@gro ups.com, "VIJAYANAND PATIL" <guide_ vijayanand@ ...> wrote:

>

>

> R/s Twji

> What you have suggested that rectified birth time should co relate with the past events of the jataka.

> I am of the opinion and it is the fact that when we consider past events of the jataka for rectification of birth time, generally kp astrologers will go only upto antra (Vidasha) and still one may go upto sukshma, the period will be not less than 2 to 3 monhs in general. If to identify the happened event to the csl of particular house, by shifting sub of one planet to another planet can be there but as we are not going upto the date of the materialisation of event, what we consider rectification of birth time and accordingly we cross check the past events, in 50 cases out of 100 it may match but in large majority of cases, it will differ.

> So, I request all the friends who adopt the methods of rectification of birth time, they should restrict to the extensive use of ruling planets widened upto 7 strength wise which I use to use for rectification upto sub sub level of ascendent.

> 1)lagna Sub (2) lagna Star (3) Lagna (4) CHANDRA SUB (5) cHANDRA STAR (6) cHANDRA SIGN AND 7 IS THE DAY LORD.

> If astrologer is 100% sure about the efficacy of ruling planets in rectification of birth time, he will sit for preparation of horoscope only on such a time there every ruling planegt will match upto sub sub sub level also. But astrologer itself is not sure about the efficacy of ruling planets as well as the doctrine of rectificstionof birth time, then definately what rulihng planets come will not definately match and they feel that the reported time of birth is always wrong and thatswhy their predictions go wrong.

> So, cross checking past events is not the authentic way to rectification of birth time and accordingly some astrologers use to shift sub or sub sub of the concerned cusps to another planet and thereby total horoscope changes, and still there is no accuracy in predictions.

> With regards

> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientifric socy.For Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a,iNDIA

> cELL nO. + 91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

>

>

> On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 20:02:29 +0530 wrote

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear BTR practising Friends,

>

> 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.

>

> 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

>

> 3. Major events are as given under.

> 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation

> 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?)

> 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money

> 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;

> 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;

> 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

>

> Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

>

> Thanks and regards,

> TW

>

> @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey wrote:

> >

> > Dear Tw ji,

> >

> > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> >

> > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and late

> > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith

> > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her

> > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some

> > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon

> > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.

> > 2. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who

> > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email

> > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give

> > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.

> > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before

> > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring

> > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this

> > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as

> > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an

> > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always remain

> > non-reliable.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW wrote:

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > >

> > > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in

> > > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really

> > > delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has

> > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp

> > > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old

> > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but

> > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to

> > > study in this regard.

> > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and

> > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to

> > > the forum.

> > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a

> > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi

> > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar

> > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of

> > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,

> > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a

> > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of

> > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV

> > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand

> > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.

> > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and

> > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's

> > > walking out.

> > >

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > > TW

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > >

> > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under

> > > discussion,

> > > > only sign exchange.

> > > >

> > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is

> > > uploaded in

> > > > > the File section.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > TW

> > > > >

> > > > > @gro ups.com ,

> > > Punit

> > >

> > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems

> > > very

> > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something

> > > quite

> > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying

> > > > > nature

> > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage

> > > > > delay.

> > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows

> > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth

> > > details

> > > > > have

> > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem

> > > and

> > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point

> > > seems

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being

> > > 7th

> > > > > CSL

> > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points

> > > have

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign

> > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo

> > > > > also. But

> > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be

> > > we

> > > > > have to

> > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1

> > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Adith

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil

> > > ji,

> > > > > I

> > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love

> > > marriage/

> > > > > happy

> > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.

> > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who

> > > are

> > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period.

> > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking

> > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.

> > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto

> > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more

> > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of

> > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when

> > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives

> > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com >

> > >

> > > > > 40. com>, "adith

> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k" wrote:

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord

> > > of

> > > > > 12 is

> > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)

> > > and

> > > > > sat

> > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level

> > > is

> > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in

> > > > > Jupiter (

> > > > > > >>> R)

> > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord

> > > > > present,

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the

> > > marraige

> > > > > is

> > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases

> > > > > study,

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many

> > > cases.

> > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*

> > > which

> > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study

> > > charts

> > > > > > >>> which I

> > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.

> > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts

> > > crossed

> > > > > 11th

> > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly

> > > > > signfies

> > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited

> > > in 11

> > > > > in

> > > > > > >>> its

> > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as

> > > > > your

> > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the

> > > > > signfications

> > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord

> > > of

> > > > > 5

> > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got

> > > married

> > > > > to

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy

> > > marital

> > > > > > >>> life

> > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar > > > >wrote:

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many

> > > experieced

> > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20

> > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..

> > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no

> > > stability

> > > > > in

> > > > > > >>> job

> > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa

> > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.

> > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a

> > > > > Neptune

> > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL

> > > signifies

> > > > > any of

> > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL

> > > > > (which

> > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected

> > > with

> > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some

> > > effect

> > > > > on

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I

> > > > > understood

> > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as

> > > experienced

> > > > > by

> > > > > > >>> him in

> > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be

> > > > > promised

> > > > > > >>> due to

> > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get

> > > his

> > > > > > >>> personal

> > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.

> > > He

> > > > > has

> > > > > > >>> given many

> > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache

> > > > > Dene"

> > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those

> > > articles.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.

> > > If

> > > > > you

> > > > > > >>> can

> > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of

> > > marriage I

> > > > > > >>> will be

> > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL

> > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com > 40. com> >

> > > > > 40. com>

> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@

> > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -

> > > View

> > > > > from

> > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani

> > > > > aspects

> > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,

> > > > > aspected

> > > > > > >>> planet

> > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is

> > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then

> > > aspected

> > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as

> > > well

> > > > > as

> > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected by

> > > > > pluto,

> > > > > > >>> then

> > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see

> > > that

> > > > > when

> > > > > > >>> these

> > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a

> > > > > considerable

> > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is

> > > not

> > > > > having

> > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this

> > > case,

> > > > > pluto

> > > > > > >>> is not

> > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,

> > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > >>> has

> > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had

> > > an

> > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted

> > > with

> > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to

> > > 7th

> > > > > cusp.

> > > > > > >>> So not

> > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another

> > > reasons

> > > > > which

> > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The

> > > SCientific

> > > > > > >>> Socy..for

> > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India

> > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 .......7CSL Sat

> > > aspects

> > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question

> > > of

> > > > > DBA

> > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise.My understanding of Sunil ji's

> > > > > principle

> > > > > > >>> is even

> > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto

> > > the

> > > > > > >>> result is

> > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message #

> > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr.

> > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet

> > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... .......... .......but pluto

> > > gives

> > > > > > >>> negation"2. I

> > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed..4. When

> > > we

> > > > > say

> > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is

> > > based

> > > > > on

> > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has

> > > negative

> > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases

> > > > > should be

> > > > > > >>> studied

> > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point.. When shadow planets such

> > > as

> > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,

> > > > > Uranus

> > > > > > >>> which have

> > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.

> > > This

> > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by

> > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,

> > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials

> > > -

> > > > > View

> > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > >>> theory

> > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.

> > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123

> > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny

> > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114

> > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house

> > > > > (there

> > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage

> > > > > instead

> > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.

> > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji

> > > has

> > > > > > >>> found any

> > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of

> > > Pluto

> > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found

> > > in KP

> > > > > or

> > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a small

> > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea

> > > is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This

> > > > > confirms

> > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS

> > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from

> > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > 16123

> > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > 16114

> > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > 14157

> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the

> > > > > effects of

> > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more

> > > > > appropriate

> > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than

> > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years

> > > to

> > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each

> > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of

> > > 27

> > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing

> > > its

> > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable

> > > TW ji

> > > > > > >>> says

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God

> > > Shiva,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring

> > > deep

> > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is

> > > > > destruction

> > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477)."

> > > > > This

> > > > > > >>> shows

> > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune

> > > are

> > > > > not

> > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced

> > > such

> > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on

> > > Pluto's

> > > > > (or

> > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no

> > > research

> > > > > > >>> data

> > > > > > >>> > >> available. Further

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari

> > > Dasha

> > > > > > >>> System.

> > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is

> > > conjunction

> > > > > or

> > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed

> > > orb). I

> > > > > > >>> would

> > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is

> > > correct

> > > > > or

> > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has

> > > > > come

> > > > > > >>> across

> > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services

> > > for

> > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View

> > > from

> > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug

> > > > > 2009)

> > > > > > >>> Western

> > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his

> > > > > daughter

> > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,

> > > Pluto

> > > > > is

> > > > > > >>> known as

> > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey

> > > Green

> > > > > > >>> said that

> > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery

> > > of

> > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive

> > > > > side of

> > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian

> > > > > profession is

> > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,

> > > page

> > > > > 46)

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of

> > > > > Pluto

> > > > > > >>> and

> > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0

> > > are

> > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6... 15

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The

> > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from

> > > the

> > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise

> > > > > appearance is

> > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and

> > > 8

> > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the

> > > > > cause

> > > > > > >>> of no

> > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.

> > > Hence

> > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships

> > > or

> > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not

> > > wholly

> > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological

> > > > > aspects.

> > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific

> > > > > procedure

> > > > > > >>> followed

> > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to

> > > > > magnify

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that

> > > planet

> > > > > > >>> always for

> > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection

> > > > > carries

> > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and

> > > > > wealth.

> > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or

> > > benefic.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power

> > > > > struggle

> > > > > > >>> between

> > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable

> > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the

> > > 7th is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to

> > > > > relinquish

> > > > > > >>> them

> > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA

> > > > > charts

> > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no

> > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to

> > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse

> > > > > effects,

> > > > > > >>> which

> > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one

> > > > > hundred

> > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith

> > > Hill

> > > > > in

> > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this

> > > horoscope

> > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of

> > > > > write

> > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on

> > > effect

> > > > > of

> > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I

> > > had

> > > > > > >>> almost

> > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding..

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents

> > > from

> > > > > his

> > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto Effects" the

> > > extra

> > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following

> > > these

> > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are

> > > considered.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting

> > > Pluto

> > > > > @4

> > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good

> > > > > results

> > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto

> > > effects

> > > > > and

> > > > > > >>> when

> > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i

> > > have

> > > > > got

> > > > > > >>> many

> > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.

> > > Out of

> > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close

> > > > > cojunction

> > > > > > >>> with the

> > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of

> > > 8.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in

> > > its

> > > > > > >>> star).

> > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further

> > > Mercury

> > > > > being

> > > > > > >>> in

> > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the

> > > 5(12

> > > > > to

> > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and

> > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > >>> being

> > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)

> > > .

> > > > > But

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it

> > > may

> > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign

> > > countries.

> > > > > But

> > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman

> > > amitbs2002@

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen

> > > shot in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the

> > > cusp

> > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its

> > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance

> > > ),11 & 10.

> > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but

> > > also

> > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner.. So if partner is gaining he

> > > will

> > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad

> > > > > economic

> > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is

> > > bad

> > > > > .

> > > > > > >>> We see

> > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.

> > > > > signification

> > > > > > >>> are

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=

> > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th

> > > sub

> > > > > > >>> should

> > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are

> > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this

> > > time,usingK. P.

> > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn....earlier

> > > > > your

> > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II

> > > as

> > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord

> > > and

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and

> > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ...!

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this

> > > > > TOB...you

> > > > > > >>> will

> > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a

> > > horoscope

> > > > > of a

> > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of

> > > > > issues

> > > > > > >>> . I

> > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When

> > > i

> > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%

> > > > > wrong on

> > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any

> > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out

> > > how

> > > > > he

> > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the

> > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

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Dear sri Yogesh Ji,PROVED CORRECT means what may kindly be clarified.Correct Time of Birth is not known to many, because by the time is recorded whether it is 1st or 2nd or 3rd breath who knows ? God only knows correct Birth Time. Whether the rectified Birth Time tallies all the past life events of the native, as per KP rules?Thanks & Regards,Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Sun, 4/10/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmiRe: Re:

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Dear TW,

I am pleased to inform you that the TOB rectified by me was confirmed by Mr. Gurmeet Singh...10-14-30 AM. IST at Ludhiana...

I have sent many a BTRs through this site...ALL of them have proved correct,except perhaps a single exception...

Yogesh Lajmi.

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, TW <tw853 > wrote:

TW <tw853 > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar@gro ups.comSunday, October 4, 2009, 1:40 PM

Dear BTR practising Friends,1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect 3. Major events are as given under.1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?) 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third

time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.Thanks and regards,TW @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Tw ji,> > Please note my views on each mentioned point -> > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear.. Early marriage and late> marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith> ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her> place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some> of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by

Moon> and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.> 2. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who> do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.> 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email> only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.> 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give> early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.> 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before> proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring> disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this> by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as> well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an> astrologer can not

verify past events, future predictions will always remain> non-reliable.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> >> > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in> > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really> > delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has> > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp> > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old> > Edition Practical Part p 49.> > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but> > separation leading to marriage. If there is any

reference, pl let us know to> > study in this regard.> > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and> > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to> > the forum.> > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a> > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi> > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar> > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of> > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied..> > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,> > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a> > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of> > Jupiter, not only

natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV> > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand> > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.> > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and> > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's> > walking out.> >> > Thanks and regards,> > TW> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > >> > > Thanks Tw ji..I> > >> > > These are the points we are discussing -> > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is

Saturn> > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th> > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (> > > http://logy.. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under> > discussion,> > > only sign exchange.> > >> > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > > >> > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is> > uploaded in> > > > the File section.> > >

>> > > > Regards,> > > > TW> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,> > Punit> >> > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Adith ji,> > > > >> > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems> > very> > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something> > quite> > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying> > > > nature> > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the

marriage> > > > delay.> > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows> > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth> > details> > > > have> > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem> > and> > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <> > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji.> > > > >

>> > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.> > > > > >> > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point> > seems> > > > to> > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being> > 7th> > > > CSL> > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points> > have> > > > to> > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign> > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo> > > > also. But> > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be> > we> > > > have to> > > > > >

study the other factors also.> > > > > >> > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1> > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Adith> > > > > >> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil> > ji,> > > > I> > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love> > marriage/> > > > happy>

> > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Punit Pandey> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> dear adith,> > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.> > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify> > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.> > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts

who> > are> > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period.> > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in> > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking> > > > > >>> is not as per kp.> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage> > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.> > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto> > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more> > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of> > > > > >>> pluto effect.> > > > >

>>>> > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when> > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives> > > > > >>> a early marriage?> > > > > >>> thanks> > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%> >> >> > > > 40. com>, "adith> > > >> > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:> > > >

> >>> >> > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord> > of> > > > 12 is> > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)> > and> > > > sat> > > > > >>> is> > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level> > is> > > > > >>> detrimental> > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in> > > > Jupiter (> > > > > >>> R)> > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord> > >

> present,> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the> > marraige> > > > is> > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases> > > > study,> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many> > cases.> > > > > >>> Moreover> > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*> > which> > > > > >>> also> > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study> > charts> > > > > >>> which I> > > > > >>> >

conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*> > > > > >>> > Female:> > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977> > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM> > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,> > > > > >>> > 11n42> > > > > >>> > 77e53> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.> > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts> > crossed>

> > > 11th> > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly> > > > signfies> > > > > >>> 6.*> > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited> > in 11> > > > in> > > > > >>> its> > > > > >>> > own sign.> > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.> > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as> > > > your> > > > > >>> case)*> > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto> > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.> > > > > >>> >> > > > >

>>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the> > > > signfications> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord> > of> > > > 5> > > > > >>> Jupietr> > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got> > married> > > > to> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy> > marital> > > > > >>> life> > > > > >>> > with children..> > > > > >>> > Hence we have all

the reasons within KP itself.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > Regards> > > > > >>> > Adith> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@> > > > >wrote:> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,> > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many> > experieced> > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.> > > > >

>>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are> > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20> > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ...Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012> > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..> > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no> > stability> > > > in> > > > > >>> job> > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa> > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still

unmarried.> > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a> > > > Neptune> > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.> > > > > >>> > > thanks> > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <> > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised

if 7CSL> > signifies> > > > any of> > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL> > > > (which> > > > > >>> is Shani> > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected> > with> > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some> > effect> > > > on> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I> > > > understood> > > > > >>> from> > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as> >

experienced> > > > by> > > > > >>> him in> > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be> > > > promised> > > > > >>> due to> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get> > his> > > > > >>> personal> > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.> > He> > > > has> > > > > >>> given many> > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache> > >

> Dene"> > > > > >>> edited and> > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those> > articles.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.> > If> > > > you> > > > > >>> can> > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of> > marriage I> > > > > >>> will be> > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Regards> > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare> > > > > >>> > >>> > >

> > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >> > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%> > 40. com><k_p_ system%> >> > > > 40. com>> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM> > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -> > View> > > > from> > >

> > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,> > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani> > > > aspects> > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,> > > > aspected> > > > > >>> planet> > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is> > > > > >>> sigifying> > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then> > aspected> > > > > >>> planet will> > > > > >>> >

>> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as> > well> > > > as> > > > > >>> secondary> > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected by> > > > pluto,> > > > > >>> then> > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see> > that> > > > when> > > > > >>> these> > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a> > > > considerable> > > > > >>> time. As> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is> > not> > > > having> > > > > >>>

DBAs,> > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this> > case,> > > > pluto> > > > > >>> is not> > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,> > > > Sunilji> > > > > >>> has> > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had> > an> > > > > >>> occasion to> > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted> > with> > > > > >>> theknowledge> > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to> > 7th> > > > cusp.> > > > >

>>> So not> > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another> > reasons> > > > which> > > > > >>> we canot> > > > > >>> > >> identify now..> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> With regards.> > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The> > SCientific> > > > > >>> Socy.for> > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India> > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > >>> > >>

vijayanand_astrogui de@> > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@> > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 .......7CSL Sat> > aspects> > > > > >>> Pluto to> > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question> > of> > > > DBA> > > > > >>> orstar> > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise.My understanding of Sunil ji's> > > > principle> > > > > >>> is even> >

> > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto> > the> > > > > >>> result is> > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message #> > > > > >>> 14157.....It was> > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr.> > > > Sunil> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet> > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... .......... .......... ......... .......but pluto> > gives> > > > > >>> negation"2. I> > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When> > we> > > > say> >

> > > >>> that> > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is> > based> > > > on> > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has> > negative> > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases> > > > should be> > > > > >>> studied> > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such> > as> > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can> > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,> > > > Uranus> > > > > >>> which have> > >

> > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.> > This> > > > > >>> idea may> > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by> > > > > >>> research.Subhash> > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials> > -> > > > View> > > > > >>> from> > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>>

> >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star> > > > lord> > > > > >>> theory> > > > > >>> > >> in the

following messages posted before.> > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123> > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny> > > > > >>> marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114> > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house> > > > (there> > > > > >>> 11th> > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no

marriage> > > > instead> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji> > has> > > > > >>> found any> > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of> > Pluto> > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found>

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in KP> > > > or> > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a small> > > > > >>> satellite can> > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea> > is> > > > not> > > > > >>> in KP.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,> > > > > >>> > >> TW> > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups..com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> >

Respected TW ji,> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This> > > > confirms> > > > > >>> that> > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS> > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > TW> > > >

> >>> > >> > @gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM> > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from> > > > Sunilji> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > 16123> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > 16114> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > 14157> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the> > > > effects of> > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > >>> > >> also> > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more> > > > appropriate> > > > >

>>> to> > > > > >>> > >> study> > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than> > > > > >>> studying its> > > > > >>> > >> appearance> > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years> > to> > > > > >>> complete one> > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each> > > > > >>> constellation> > > > > >>> > >> in about> > > > > >>> > >> >

> 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of> > 27> > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore> > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing> > its> > > > > >>> effects.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable> > TW ji> > > > > >>> says> > > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God> > Shiva,> > > > the> > > > > >>> > >> creator and> > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring> >

deep> > > > > >>> > >> transformation> > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is> > > > destruction> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>> > >> anything that> > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477)."> > > > This> > > > > >>> shows> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's> > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune> > are> > > > not> > > > > >>> >

>> considered in KP.> > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced> > such> > > > > >>> effects in> > > > > >>> > >> many> > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on> > Pluto's> > > > (or> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance> > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no> > research> > > > > >>> data> > > > > >>> > >> available. Further> > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari> > Dasha> > > > > >>>

System.> > > > > >>> > >> Then how> > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is> > conjunction> > > > or> > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS> > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed> > orb). I> > > > > >>> would> > > > > >>> > >> like to request> > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is> > correct> > > > or> > > > > >>> wrong.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >

It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has> > > > come> > > > > >>> across> > > > > >>> > >> many such> > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services> > for> > > > > >>> systematic> > > > > >>> > >> study and> > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > TW> > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM> > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View> > from> > > > > >>> Sunilji> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug> > > > 2009)> > > > > >>>

Western> > > > > >>> > >> Experience> > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his> > > > daughter> > > > > >>> Deva> > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,> > Pluto> > > > is> > > > > >>> known as> > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey> > Green> > > > > >>> said that> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery> > of> > > > > >>> soul,> > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive>

> > > side of> > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian> > > > profession is> > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,> > page> > > > 46)> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts> > > > > >>> > >> > > 14.. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of> > > > Pluto> > > > > >>> and> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0> > are> > > > > >>> checked and> > > > > >>> > >>

found as given under.> > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses> > > > > >>> > >> > > H.. Ne.. Pl> > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9> > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15> > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4> > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4> > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5> > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2> > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15> > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15> > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9> > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8>

> > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5> > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The> > > > > >>> house-wise> > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from> > the> > > > > >>> average of 8%,> > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise> > > > appearance is> > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and> > 8> > > > > >>> houses by> > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each.

However, it is still far below to be the> > > > cause> > > > > >>> of no> > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.> > Hence> > > > > >>> Pluto or> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance> > in> > > > the> > > > > >>> 7th> > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings> > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships> > or> > > > > >>> Synastry> > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern

Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not> > wholly> > > > > >>> malefic or> > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological> > > > aspects.> > > > > >>> Rahu and> > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific> > > > procedure> > > > > >>> followed> > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to> > > > magnify> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that> > planet> > > > > >>> always for> > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's

experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection> > > > carries> > > > > >>> heavy> > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and> > > > wealth.> > > > > >>> (Noel> > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or> > benefic.> > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power> > > > struggle> > > > > >>> between> > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable> > > > > >>> consequences, but> > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the> > 7th is> > >

> not> > > > > >>> doomed> > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to> > > > relinquish> > > > > >>> them> > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA> > > > charts> > > > > >>> also> > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no> > > > marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to> > > > > >>> senselessly> > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse> > > >

effects,> > > > > >>> which> > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one> > > > hundred> > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith> > Hill> > > > in> > > > > >>> Medical> > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >

> > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this> > horoscope> > > > > >>> pointing to> > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of> > > > write> > > > > >>> ups( in a> > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on> > effect> > > > of> > > > > >>> aspects> > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I> > had> > > > > >>> almost> > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > >

>>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents> > from> > > > his> > > > > >>> mail(> > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto Effects" the> > extra> > > > > >>> planetary> > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following> > these> > > > > >>> planets and> > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are> > considered.> > > > >

>>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting> > Pluto> > > > @4> > > > > >>> > >> degrees.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good> > > > results> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto> > effects> > > > and> > > > >

>>> when> > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i> > have> > > > got> > > > > >>> many> > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...> > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.> > Out of> > > > > >>> these 8> > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for

profession.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close> > > > cojunction> > > > > >>> with the> > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of> > 8.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in> > its> > > > > >>> star).> > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further> > Mercury> > > > being> > > > > >>> in> > > > > >>> > >> Virgo

also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the> > 5(12> > > > to> > > > > >>> 6) ,8> > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and> > it> > > > is> > > > > >>> being> > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)> > .> > > > But> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it> > may> > > > > >>> signfy the> > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to

foreign> > countries.> > > > But> > > > > >>> 5,8,12> > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman> > amitbs2002@> > > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman

included below]> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen> > shot in> > > > the> > > > > >>> .doc> > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the> > cusp> > > > > >>> chart +> > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its> > > > > >>> significations per 4> > > > > >>> > >>

step are :> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance> > ),11 & 10.> > > > > >>> Though 8> > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but> > also> > >

> > >>> shows gain> > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he> > will> > > > > >>> also> > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad> > > > economic> > > > > >>> > >> situation?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is> > bad> > > > .> > > > > >>> We see> > > > > >>> > >> there is

a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.> > > > signification> > > > > >>> are> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=> > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,> > > > > >>> 5 + 6> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th> > sub> > > > > >>> should> > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are> > > > > >>> signified. Then> > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________

__> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST..> > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this> > time,usingK. P.> > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier> > > > your> > > > > >>> analysis> > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II> > as> > > > > >>> Jupiter...> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord> > and> > > > the> > > > > >>> sub-sub> > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and> > > > > >>> sub-lord> > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!> > > > > >>> >

>> > > > > Now Mr..Soman please erect the Birth chart for this> > > > TOB...you> > > > > >>> will> > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case.

I was working on a> > horoscope> > > > of a> > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of> > > > issues> > > > > >>> . I> > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When> > i> > > > > >>> discussed this> > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%> > > > wrong on> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any> > > > > >>> satisfactory KP> > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >>

> > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out> > how> > > > he> > > > > >>> is> > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the> > > > > >>> prospects for> > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >

> > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >

>>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> >

>>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > >

> >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> <> > > > > >>>> > > >> > http://sigads. rediff.com/ RealMedia/ ads/click_ nx.ads/www. rediffmail. com/signaturelin e.htm@Middle> > ?> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > --> > > > > >>> > > Sunil

Gondhalekar> > > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask. com> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

 

 

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All cases of Punarphoo do necessarily lead to delayed marriages alone,but they will certainly creat "problem" regarding marriage...which in turn are likely to cause delay...but if Punarphoo Dosha is cancelled,as pr Pt.K.R.Kar's rules,there is no delay...

Yogesh Lajmi--- On Sun, 10/4/09, G <hbk1hbk_2100 wrote:

G <hbk1hbk_2100 Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 4:46 PM

The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth time.G. Singh@gro ups.com, "TW" <tw853 wrote:>> Dear BTR practising Friends,> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.> > 2.. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:> 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect > > 3. Major events are as given under.> 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation> 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very

high status (possibly by lottery gain?) > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money> 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;> 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;> 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit > > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.> > Thanks and regards,> TW > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> >> > Dear Tw ji,> > >

> Please note my views on each mentioned point -> > > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and late> > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith> > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her> > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some> > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon> > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.> > 2. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who> > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same..> > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email> > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.> > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are

the planet that give> > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.> > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before> > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring> > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this> > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as> > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an> > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always remain> > non-reliable.> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > > > >> > >> > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> >

>> > > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in> > > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really> > > delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has> > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp> > > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old> > > Edition Practical Part p 49.> > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but> > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to> > > study in this regard.> > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and> > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to> > > the forum.>

> > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a> > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi> > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar> > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of> > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.> > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,> > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a> > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of> > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV> > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand> > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of

Jupiter for death.> > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and> > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's> > > walking out.> > >> > > Thanks and regards,> > > TW> > >> > >> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Thanks Tw ji.I> > > >> > > > These are the points we are discussing -> > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn> > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th> > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (> > >

> http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under> > > discussion,> > > > only sign exchange.> > > >> > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?> > > >> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > >> > > > Punit Pandey> > > >> > > >> > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > > > >> > > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is> > > uploaded in> > > > > the File section.> > > > >> > > > >

Regards,> > > > > TW> > > > >> > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,> > > Punit> > >> > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Adith ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems> > > very> > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something> > > quite> > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying> > > > > nature> > > > > > of

Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage> > > > > delay.> > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows> > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth> > > details> > > > > have> > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem> > > and> > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <> > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:> > > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point> > > seems> > > > > to> > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being> > > 7th> > > > > CSL> > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points> > > have> > > > > to> > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign> > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon.

All cause Punarpoo> > > > > also. But> > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be> > > we> > > > > have to> > > > > > > study the other factors also.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1> > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > Adith> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,> > > >

> > >>> > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil> > > ji,> > > > > I> > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love> > > marriage/> > > > > happy> > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> Punit Pandey> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>

> > > > > >>> dear adith,> > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.> > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify> > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.> > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who> > > are> > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period.> > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in> > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking> > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage> > > >

> > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.> > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto> > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more> > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of> > > > > > >>> pluto effect.> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when> > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives> > > > > > >>> a early marriage?> > > > > > >>> thanks> > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > >>>> > > > >

> >>>> > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%> > >> > >> > > > > 40. com>, "adith> > > > >> > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord> > > of> > > > > 12 is> > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6

(no planet in 6)> > > and> > > > > sat> > > > > > >>> is> > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level> > > is> > > > > > >>> detrimental> > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in> > > > > Jupiter (> > > > > > >>> R)> > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord> > > > > present,> > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the> > > marraige> > > > > is> > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by

Dr. Rath on few cases> > > > > study,> > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many> > > cases.> > > > > > >>> Moreover> > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*> > > which> > > > > > >>> also> > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study> > > charts> > > > > > >>> which I> > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*> > > > > >

>>> > Female:> > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977> > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM> > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,> > > > > > >>> > 11n42> > > > > > >>> > 77e53> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.> > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts> > > crossed> > > > > 11th> > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly> > > >

> signfies> > > > > > >>> 6.*> > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited> > > in 11> > > > > in> > > > > > >>> its> > > > > > >>> > own sign.> > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.> > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as> > > > > your> > > > > > >>> case)*> > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto> > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present,

the> > > > > signfications> > > > > > >>> of> > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord> > > of> > > > > 5> > > > > > >>> Jupietr> > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got> > > married> > > > > to> > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy> > > marital> > > > > > >>> life> > > > > > >>> > with children.> > > > > > >>> > Hence

we have all the reasons within KP itself.> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> > Regards> > > > > > >>> > Adith> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@> > > > > >wrote:> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,> > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many> > > experieced> > > > >

> >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.> > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are> > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20> > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012> > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..> > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no> > > stability> > > > > in> > > > > > >>> job> > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge

financial loss during the dasa> > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.> > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a> > > > > Neptune> > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.> > > > > > >>> > > thanks> > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <> > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >

> >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL> > > signifies> > > > > any of> > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL> > > > > (which> > > > > > >>> is Shani> > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected> > > with> > > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some> > > effect> > > > > on> > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > >>> >

>> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I> > > > > understood> > > > > > >>> from> > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as> > > experienced> > > > > by> > > > > > >>> him in> > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be> > > > > promised> > > > > > >>> due to> > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get> > > his> > > > > > >>> personal>

> > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.> > > He> > > > > has> > > > > > >>> given many> > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache> > > > > Dene"> > > > > > >>> edited and> > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those> > > articles.> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.> > > If> > > > > you> > > > > > >>> can> > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization

of> > > marriage I> > > > > > >>> will be> > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >> Regards> > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >> > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%> > > 40. com><k_p_

system%> > >> > > > > 40. com>> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM> > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -> > > View> > > > > from> > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,> > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani> > > > > aspects> > > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > > >>> >

>> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,> > > > > aspected> > > > > > >>> planet> > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is> > > > > > >>> sigifying> > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then> > > aspected> > > > > > >>> planet will> > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as> > > well> > > > > as> > > > > > >>> secondary> > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected by> > > > > pluto,> > > > > > >>>

then> > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see> > > that> > > > > when> > > > > > >>> these> > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a> > > > > considerable> > > > > > >>> time. As> > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is> > > not> > > > > having> > > > > > >>> DBAs,> > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this> > > case,> > > > > pluto> > > > > > >>> is not> > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to

give or to abstain from giving results. Though,> > > > > Sunilji> > > > > > >>> has> > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had> > > an> > > > > > >>> occasion to> > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted> > > with> > > > > > >>> theknowledge> > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to> > > 7th> > > > > cusp.> > > > > > >>> So not> > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another> > > reasons> > > > > which> > > > >

> >>> we canot> > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.> > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The> > > SCientific> > > > > > >>> Socy.for> > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India> > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@> > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@> > > > > > >>> >

>> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote> > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 .......7CSL Sat> > > aspects> > > > > > >>> Pluto to> > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question> > > of> > > > > DBA> > > > > > >>> orstar> > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise.My understanding of Sunil ji's> > > > > principle> > > > > > >>> is even> > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if

DBA lords aspect Pluto> > > the> > > > > > >>> result is> > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message #> > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was> > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr.> > > > > Sunil> > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet> > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... ......... .......but pluto> > > gives> > > > > > >>> negation"2. I> > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When> > > we> > > > > say> > > > >

> >>> that> > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is> > > based> > > > > on> > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has> > > negative> > > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases> > > > > should be> > > > > > >>> studied> > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such> > > as> > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can> > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,> > > > > Uranus>

> > > > > >>> which have> > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.> > > This> > > > > > >>> idea may> > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by> > > > > > >>> research.Subhash> > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials> > > -> > > > > View> > > > > > >>> from> > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > >>> > >>> > >

> > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>>

> >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star> > > > > lord> > > > > > >>> theory> > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.> > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.> > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123> > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny> > > > > > >>> marriage.> > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114> > > > > > >>> >

>> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house> > > > > (there> > > > > > >>> 11th> > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage> > > > > instead> > > > > > >>> of> > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.> > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji> > > has> > > > > > >>> found any> > > > > > >>> >

>> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of> > > Pluto> > > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found> > > in KP> > > > > or> > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a small> > > > > > >>> satellite can> > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea> > > is> > > > > not> > > > > > >>> in KP.> > > > > >

>>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,> > > > > > >>> > >> TW> > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,> > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This> > > > > confirms> > > > > > >>> that> > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS> > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards> > > > > > >>> >

>> >> > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare> > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > >>> > >> > TW> > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com> > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM> > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from> > > > > Sunilji> > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > > >>> > >>

>> > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > > 16123> > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > > 16114> > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > > 14157> > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >

>>> > >> > > Friends and Members> > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the> > > > > effects of> > > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > > >>> > >> also> > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more> > > > > appropriate> > > > > > >>> to> > > > > > >>> > >> study> > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than> > > > > > >>> studying its> > > > > > >>> > >> appearance> > > >

> > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.> > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years> > > to> > > > > > >>> complete one> > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each> > > > > > >>> constellation> > > > > > >>> > >> in about> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of> > > 27> > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore> > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing>

> > its> > > > > > >>> effects.> > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable> > > TW ji> > > > > > >>> says> > > > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God> > > Shiva,> > > > > the> > > > > > >>> > >> creator and> > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring> > > deep> > > > > > >>> > >> transformation> > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is> > > > >

destruction> > > > > > >>> of> > > > > > >>> > >> anything that> > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... .......(Planets in Transit Page 477)."> > > > > This> > > > > > >>> shows> > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's> > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.> > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune> > > are> > > > > not> > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.> > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced>

> > such> > > > > > >>> effects in> > > > > > >>> > >> many> > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on> > > Pluto's> > > > > (or> > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance> > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no> > > research> > > > > > >>> data> > > > > > >>> > >> available. Further> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari> > > Dasha> > > > > > >>> System.> > > > > > >>> > >> Then how> > >

> > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is> > > conjunction> > > > > or> > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS> > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed> > > orb). I> > > > > > >>> would> > > > > > >>> > >> like to request> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is> > > correct> > > > > or> > > > > > >>> wrong.> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was

mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has> > > > > come> > > > > > >>> across> > > > > > >>> > >> many such> > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services> > > for> > > > > > >>> systematic> > > > > > >>> > >> study and> > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.> > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >>> > >> >

>> > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW> > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View> > > from> > > > > > >>> Sunilji> > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract

from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug> > > > > 2009)> > > > > > >>> Western> > > > > > >>> > >> Experience> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his> > > > > daughter> > > > > > >>> Deva> > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,> > > Pluto> > > > > is> > > > > > >>> known as> > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey> > > Green> > > > > > >>> said that> > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the

mystery> > > of> > > > > > >>> soul,> > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive> > > > > side of> > > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian> > > > > profession is> > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,> > > page> > > > > 46)> > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of> > > > > Pluto> > > >

> > >>> and> > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0> > > are> > > > > > >>> checked and> > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses> > > > > > >>> > >> > > H.. Ne.. Pl> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> 6.. 4.. 2> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9> > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The> > > > > > >>> house-wise> > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from> > > the> > > > > > >>> average of 8%,> > >

> > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise> > > > > appearance is> > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and> > > 8> > > > > > >>> houses by> > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the> > > > > cause> > > > > > >>> of no> > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.> > > Hence> > > > > > >>> Pluto or> > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance> > > in> > > > > the> > > > > > >>>

7th> > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.> > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships> > > or> > > > > > >>> Synastry> > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not> > > wholly> > > > > > >>> malefic or> > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological> > > > > aspects.> > > > > > >>> Rahu and> > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points

specific> > > > > procedure> > > > > > >>> followed> > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to> > > > > magnify> > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that> > > planet> > > > > > >>> always for> > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection> > > > > carries> > > > > > >>> heavy> > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and> > > > > wealth.> > > > > > >>> (Noel> > > > > > >>>

> >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or> > > benefic.> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power> > > > > struggle> > > > > > >>> between> > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable> > > > > > >>> consequences, but> > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the> > > 7th is> > > > > not> > > > > > >>> doomed> > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to> > > > > relinquish> > > > > > >>> them> > > > > >

>>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA> > > > > charts> > > > > > >>> also> > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no> > > > > marriage.> > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to> > > > > > >>> senselessly> > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse> > > > > effects,> > > > > > >>> which> > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one> > > > > hundred> > >

> > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith> > > Hill> > > > > in> > > > > > >>> Medical> > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.> > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this> > > horoscope> > > > > >

>>> pointing to> > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of> > > > > write> > > > > > >>> ups( in a> > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on> > > effect> > > > > of> > > > > > >>> aspects> > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I> > > had> > > > > > >>> almost> > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the

contents> > > from> > > > > his> > > > > > >>> mail(> > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto Effects" the> > > extra> > > > > > >>> planetary> > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following> > > these> > > > > > >>> planets and> > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are> > > considered.> > > > > > >>>

> >> > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting> > > Pluto> > > > > @4> > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good> > > > > results> > > > > > >>> of> > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto> > > effects>

> > > > and> > > > > > >>> when> > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i> > > have> > > > > got> > > > > > >>> many> > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of

7,8,9.> > > Out of> > > > > > >>> these 8> > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close> > > > > cojunction> > > > > > >>> with the> > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of> > > 8.> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in> > > its> > > > > > >>> star).> > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.> > > > > > >>> >

>> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further> > > Mercury> > > > > being> > > > > > >>> in> > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the> > > 5(12> > > > > to> > > > > > >>> 6) ,8> > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and> > > it> > > > > is> > > > > > >>> being> > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)> > > .> > > > > But> > > > > >

>>> the> > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it> > > may> > > > > > >>> signfy the> > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign> > > countries.> > > > > But> > > > > > >>> 5,8,12> > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman> >

> amitbs2002@> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen> > > shot in> > > > > the> > > > >

> >>> .doc> > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the> > > cusp> > > > > > >>> chart +> > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its> > > > > > >>> significations per 4> > > > > > >>> > >> step are :> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > > >>> >

>> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance> > > ),11 & 10.> > > > > > >>> Though 8> > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but> > > also> > > > > > >>> shows gain> > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he> > > will> > > > > > >>> also>

> > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad> > > > > economic> > > > > > >>> > >> situation?> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is> > > bad> > > > > .> > > > > > >>> We see> > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.> > > > > signification> > > > > > >>> are> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > >

> > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=> > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,> > > > > > >>> 5 + 6> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th> > > sub> > > > > > >>> should> > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are> > > > > >

>>> signified. Then> > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > >

> > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this> > > time,usingK. P.> > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of

II as Saturn...earlier> > > > > your> > > > > > >>> analysis> > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II> > > as> > > > > > >>> Jupiter...> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord> > > and> > > > > the> > > > > > >>> sub-sub> > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and> > > > > > >>> sub-lord> > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this> > > > >

TOB...you> > > > > > >>> will> > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> >

> > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting

case. I was working on a> > > horoscope> > > > > of a> > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of> > > > > issues> > > > > > >>> . I> > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When> > > i> > > > > > >>> discussed this> > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%> > > > > wrong on> > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any> > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP> > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.>

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out> > > how> > > > > he> > > > > > >>> is> > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the> > > > > > >>> prospects for> > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am> > > > > >

>>> > >> > > > >Mumbai> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >>>

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rediffmail. com/signaturelin e.htm@Middle> > > ?> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >>> > > --> > > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar> > > > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask. com> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> >

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Dear Sudan,

I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan's SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur's SW... both use K.P. New Ayanamsa...

Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much of a difference

Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness...

Yogesh Lajmi--- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 wrote:

Sudan <msbohra62 Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

Dear G.Singh ji,As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-" Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively. ..!"I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-SaMoon : Ve-Me-SaSw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, "G" <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:>> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth time.> > G. Singh> > @gro ups.com, "TW" <tw853@> wrote:> >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,> > > > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.> > > > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect > > > > 3. Major events are as given under.> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?) > >

3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit > > > > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.> > > > Thanks and regards,> > TW > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Tw ji,>

> > > > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -> > > > > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and late> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email> > > only when you said Sunil ji in

point no. 3.> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always remain> > > non-reliable.> > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat,

Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > > >> > > > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in> > > > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really> > > > delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp> > > > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to> > > > study in this

regard.> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to> > > > the forum.> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's

death in the dasa of> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's> > > > walking out.> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > TW> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@>

wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I> > > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under> > > > discussion,> > > > > only sign exchange.> > > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > >> > > > >> > >

> > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > > > > >> > > > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is> > > > uploaded in> > > > > > the File section.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > TW> > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,> > > > Punit> > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems> > > > very> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something> > > > quite> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying> > > > > > nature> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage> > > > > > delay.> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth> > > > details> > > > > > have> > > >

> > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem> > > > and> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point> > > > seems> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being> > > > 7th> > > > > > CSL> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points> > > > have> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo> > > > > > also. But> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be> > > > we> > > > > >

have to> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Adith> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil>

> > > ji,> > > > > > I> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love> > > > marriage/> > > > > > happy> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> dear

adith,> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who> > > > are> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage>

> > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?> > > > > > > >>> thanks> > > > > > > >>> -sunil

gondhalekar> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%> > > >> > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, "adith> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord>

> > > of> > > > > > 12 is> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)> > > > and> > > > > > sat> > > > > > > >>> is> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level> > > > is> > > > > > > >>> detrimental> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in> > > > > > Jupiter (> > > > > > > >>> R)> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord> > > > > > present,> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > >

>>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the> > > > marraige> > > > > > is> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases> > > > > > study,> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many> > > > cases.> > > > > > > >>> Moreover> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*> > > > which> > > > > > > >>> also> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study> > > > charts> > > > > > > >>>

which I> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*> > > > > > > >>> > Female:> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects

Pluto*.> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts> > > > crossed> > > > > > 11th> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly> > > > > > signfies> > > > > > > >>> 6.*> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited> > > > in 11> > > > > > in> > > > > > > >>> its> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star

of Jupiter (as> > > > > > your> > > > > > > >>> case)*> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the> > > > > > signfications> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord> > > > of> > > > > > 5> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got> > > > married> > >

> > > to> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy> > > > marital> > > > > > > >>> life> > > > > > > >>> > with children.> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards> > > > > > > >>> > Adith> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > >

> >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@> > > > > > >wrote:> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many> > > > experieced> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20> > > > > > > >>> > >

Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no> > > > stability> > > > > > in> > > > > > > >>> job> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a> >

> > > > Neptune> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if

7CSL> > > > signifies> > > > > > any of> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL> > > > > > (which> > > > > > > >>> is Shani> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected> > > > with> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some> > > > effect> > > > > > on> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I> > > > > > understood> > > > > > >

>>> from> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as> > > > experienced> > > > > > by> > > > > > > >>> him in> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be> > > > > > promised> > > > > > > >>> due to> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get> > > > his> > > > > > > >>> personal> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few

years and getting the same even now.> > > > He> > > > > > has> > > > > > > >>> given many> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache> > > > > > Dene"> > > > > > > >>> edited and> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those> > > > articles.> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.> > > > If> > > > > > you> > > > > > > >>> can> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization

of> > > > marriage I> > > > > > > >>> will be> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com

<%> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%> > > >> > > > > > 40. com>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -> > > > View> > > > > > from> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani>

> > > > > aspects> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,> > > > > > aspected> > > > > > > >>> planet> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is> > > > > > > >>> sigifying> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then> > > > aspected> > > > > > > >>> planet will> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as> > > > well> > > > > > as> > > > > > > >>>

secondary> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected by> > > > > > pluto,> > > > > > > >>> then> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see> > > > that> > > > > > when> > > > > > > >>> these> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a> > > > > > considerable> > > > > > > >>> time. As> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is> > > > not> > > > > > having> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,> >

> > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this> > > > case,> > > > > > pluto> > > > > > > >>> is not> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,> > > > > > Sunilji> > > > > > > >>> has> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had> > > > an> > > > > > > >>> occasion to> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted> > > > with> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in

this case there is no connecton of pluto to> > > > 7th> > > > > > cusp.> > > > > > > >>> So not> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another> > > > reasons> > > > > > which> > > > > > > >>> we canot> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The> > > > SCientific> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology,

Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 ........7CSL Sat> > > > aspects> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to> > > > > > >

>>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question> > > > of> > > > > > DBA> > > > > > > >>> orstar> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of Sunil ji's> > > > > > principle> > > > > > > >>> is even> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto> > > > the> > > > > > > >>> result is> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message #> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also

Mr.> > > > > > Sunil> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... ......... .......but pluto> > > > gives> > > > > > > >>> negation"2. I> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When> > > > we> > > > > > say> > > > > > > >>> that> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is> > > > based> > > > > > on> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has> > > >

negative> > > > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases> > > > > > should be> > > > > > > >>> studied> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such> > > > as> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,> > > > > > Uranus> > > > > > > >>> which have> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.> > > > This> > > > > > > >>> idea may> > >

> > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials> > > > -> > > > > > View> > > > > > > >>> from> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >

>>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star> > > > > > lord> > > >

> > > >>> theory> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny> > > > > > > >>> marriage.> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house> > > > >

> (there> > > > > > > >>> 11th> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage> > > > > > instead> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji> > > > has> > > > > > > >>> found any> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any

of his presentations of> > > > Pluto> > > > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found> > > > in KP> > > > > > or> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a small> > > > > > > >>> satellite can> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea> > > > is> > > > > > not> > > > > > > >>> in KP.>

> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This> > > > > > confirms> > > > > > > >>> that> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > lords. Regards> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from> > > > > >

Sunilji> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > > > 16123> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > > > 16114> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > > > 14157> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the> > > > > > effects of> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > > > >>> > >> also> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more> > > > > > appropriate> > > > > > > >>> to> > > > > > > >>> > >> study> > > > > >

> >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than> > > > > > > >>> studying its> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years> > > > to> > > > > > > >>> complete one> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each> > > > > > > >>> constellation> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about> > > > > > > >>> >

>> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of> > > > 27> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing> > > > its> > > > > > > >>> effects.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable> > > > TW ji> > > > > > > >>> says> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God> > > > Shiva,> > > > > > the> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator

and> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring> > > > deep> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is> > > > > > destruction> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477)."> > > > > > This> > > > > > > >>> shows> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.> > > >

> > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune> > > > are> > > > > > not> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced> > > > such> > > > > > > >>> effects in> > > > > > > >>> > >> many> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on> > > > Pluto's> > > > > > (or> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no> > > > research> > > > > > > >>> data> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari> > > > Dasha> > > > > > > >>> System..> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is> > > > conjunction> > > > > > or> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed> > > > orb).

I> > > > > > > >>> would> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is> > > > correct> > > > > > or> > > > > > > >>> wrong.> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has> > > > > > come> > > > > > > >>> across> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my

services> > > > for> > > > > > > >>> systematic> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

TW> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View> > > > from> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug> > > > > > 2009)> > > > > > > >>> Western> > > > > > > >>> > >>

Experience> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his> > > > > > daughter> > > > > > > >>> Deva> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,> > > > Pluto> > > > > > is> > > > > > > >>> known as> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey> > > > Green> > > > > > > >>> said that> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery> > > > of> > > > > > > >>> soul,> > > > > > > >>> >

>> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive> > > > > > side of> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian> > > > > > profession is> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,> > > > page> > > > > > 46)> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of> > > > > > Pluto> > > > > > > >>> and> > > > > > >

>>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0> > > > are> > > > > > > >>> checked and> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6..

4.. 2> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The> > > > > > > >>> house-wise> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from> > > > the> > > > > >

> >>> average of 8%,> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise> > > > > > appearance is> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and> > > > 8> > > > > > > >>> houses by> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the> > > > > > cause> > > > > > > >>> of no> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.> > > > Hence> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere

appearance> > > > in> > > > > > the> > > > > > > >>> 7th> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships> > > > or> > > > > > > >>> Synastry> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not> > > > wholly> > > > > > > >>> malefic or> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological> > > > > >

aspects.> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific> > > > > > procedure> > > > > > > >>> followed> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to> > > > > > magnify> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that> > > > planet> > > > > > > >>> always for> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection> > > > > > carries> > > > > > > >>> heavy> >

> > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and> > > > > > wealth.> > > > > > > >>> (Noel> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or> > > > benefic.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power> > > > > > struggle> > > > > > > >>> between> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the> > > > 7th is> > > > >

> not> > > > > > > >>> doomed> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to> > > > > > relinquish> > > > > > > >>> them> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA> > > > > > charts> > > > > > > >>> also> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no> > > > > > marriage.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to> > > > > > > >>> senselessly> > > >

> > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse> > > > > > effects,> > > > > > > >>> which> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one> > > > > > hundred> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith> > > > Hill> > > > > > in> > > > > > > >>> Medical> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit

Soman wrote:> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this> > > > horoscope> > > > > > > >>> pointing to> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of> > > > > > write> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on> > > > effect> > > > > > of> > > > > > > >>> aspects> > >

> > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I> > > > had> > > > > > > >>> almost> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents> > > > from> > > > > > his> > > > > > > >>> mail(> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,> > > > > > > >>> >

>> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto Effects" the> > > > extra> > > > > > > >>> planetary> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following> > > > these> > > > > > > >>> planets and> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are> > > > considered.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting> > > > Pluto> > > > > > @4> > > >

> > > >>> > >> degrees.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good> > > > > > results> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto> > > > effects> > > > > > and> > > > > > > >>> when> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i> > > > have> > > > > > got> > > > > > > >>> many> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

@gro ups.com> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.> > > > Out of> > > > > > > >>> these 8> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.> > >

> > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close> > > > > > cojunction> > > > > > > >>> with the> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of> > > > 8.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in> > > > its> > > > > > > >>> star).> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further> > > > Mercury> > > > > >

being> > > > > > > >>> in> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the> > > > 5(12> > > > > > to> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and> > > > it> > > > > > is> > > > > > > >>> being> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)> > > > .> > > > > > But> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > >

>>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it> > > > may> > > > > > > >>> signfy the> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign> > > > countries.> > > > > > But> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit

Soman> > > > amitbs2002@> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen>

> > > shot in> > > > > > the> > > > > > > >>> .doc> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the> > > > cusp> > > > > > > >>> chart +> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > >

> >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance> > > > ),11 & 10.> > > > > > > >>> Though 8> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but> > > > also> > > > > > > >>> shows gain> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he> > > > will> > > > > > > >>> also> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad> > > > > > economic> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is> > > > bad> > > > > > .> > > > > > > >>> We see> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.> > > > > > signification> > > >

> > > >>> are> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th> > > > sub> > > > > > > >>> should> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >Dear Mr.Soman,> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this> > > > time,usingK. P.> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier> > > > > > your> > > > > > > >>> analysis> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II> > > > as> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord> > > > and> > > > > > the> > >

> > > > >>> sub-sub> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this> > > > > > TOB...you> > > > > > > >>> will> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !> > > >

> > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> Query on financials> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a> > > > horoscope> > > > > > of a> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of> > > > > > issues> > > > > > > >>> . I> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed

certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When> > > > i> > > > > > > >>> discussed this> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%> > > > > > wrong on> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out> > > > how> > > > > > he> > > > > > >

>>> is> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the> > > > > > > >>> prospects for> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > >

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Dear Mr.Naidu,

Obviously when Mr.Gurmeet Singh,himself an accomplishes K.P. Astrologer, agrees/confirms that the TOB is correct,naturally he knows what he is talking about...

When I corrected the TOB, I had tallied the available data,given to me at the time...

I suggest you use the method prescribed in Astrosecrets & K.P. by the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham for the different methods of BTR...As mentioned several times earlier,I have over the years improved upon this method to include the sub-lord also...

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.. --- On Mon, 10/5/09, K. P. Naidu <konathalan wrote:

K. P. Naidu <konathalanRe: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 4:32 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear sri Yogesh Ji,PROVED CORRECT means what may kindly be clarified.Correct Time of Birth is not known to many, because by the time is recorded whether it is 1st or 2nd or 3rd breath who knows ? God only knows correct Birth Time. Whether the rectified Birth Time tallies all the past life events of the native, as per KP rules?Thanks & Regards,Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Sun, 4/10/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar@gro ups.comCc: "tw853" <tw853 >Sunday, 4 October, 2009, 10:12 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear TW,

I am pleased to inform you that the TOB rectified by me was confirmed by Mr. Gurmeet Singh...10-14-30 AM. IST at Ludhiana...

I have sent many a BTRs through this site...ALL of them have proved correct,except perhaps a single exception...

Yogesh Lajmi.

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, TW <tw853 > wrote:

TW <tw853 > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar@gro ups.comSunday, October 4, 2009, 1:40 PM

Dear BTR practising Friends,1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect 3. Major events are as given under.1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?) 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third

time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.Thanks and regards,TW @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Tw ji,> > Please note my views on each mentioned point -> > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear.. Early marriage and late> marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith> ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her> place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some> of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon> and Mercury. I got the answer what I was

looking for from Adith ji's email.> 2. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who> do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.> 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email> only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.> 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give> early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.> 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before> proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring> disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this> by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as> well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an> astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always

remain> non-reliable.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> >> > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in> > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really> > delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has> > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp> > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old> > Edition Practical Part p 49.> > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but> > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to> > study in this

regard.> > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and> > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to> > the forum.> > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a> > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi> > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar> > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of> > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied..> > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,> > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a> > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of> > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart,

BV> > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand> > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.> > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and> > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's> > walking out.> >> > Thanks and regards,> > TW> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > >> > > Thanks Tw ji..I> > >> > > These are the points we are discussing -> > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn> > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th> > > 3. Technically there is no

Punarphoo (> > > http://logy. . astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under> > discussion,> > > only sign exchange.> > >> > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > > >> > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is> > uploaded in> > > > the File section.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > TW> > > >> > > >

@gro ups.com <% 40. com>,> > Punit> >> > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Adith ji,> > > > >> > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems> > very> > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something> > quite> > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying> > > > nature> > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage> > > > delay.> > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows> > > > >

possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth> > details> > > > have> > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem> > and> > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <> > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji.> > > > > >> > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.> > > > > >> > > > >

> But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point> > seems> > > > to> > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being> > 7th> > > > CSL> > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points> > have> > > > to> > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign> > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo> > > > also. But> > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be> > we> > > > have to> > > > > > study the other factors also.> > > > > >> > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our

Quiz # 1> > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery)..> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Adith> > > > > >> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil> > ji,> > > > I> > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love> > marriage/> > > > happy> > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.> > > > > >>> > > > > >>

Thanks & Regards,> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Punit Pandey> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> dear adith,> > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.> > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify> > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.> > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who> > are> > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period.> > > > > >>> retro planets

effects are taken in horary and not in> > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking> > > > > >>> is not as per kp.> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage> > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.> > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto> > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more> > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of> > > > > >>> pluto effect.> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when> > > > > >>> 7th

sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives> > > > > >>> a early marriage?> > > > > >>> thanks> > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%> >> >> > > > 40. com>, "adith> > > >> > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as

all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord> > of> > > > 12 is> > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)> > and> > > > sat> > > > > >>> is> > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level> > is> > > > > >>> detrimental> > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in> > > > Jupiter (> > > > > >>> R)> > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord> > > > present,> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the> > marraige> > >

> is> > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases> > > > study,> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many> > cases.> > > > > >>> Moreover> > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*> > which> > > > > >>> also> > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study> > charts> > > > > >>> which I> > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*> > >

> > >>> > Female:> > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977> > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM> > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,> > > > > >>> > 11n42> > > > > >>> > 77e53> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.> > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts> > crossed> > > > 11th> > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly> > > > signfies> > > > > >>>

6.*> > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited> > in 11> > > > in> > > > > >>> its> > > > > >>> > own sign.> > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.> > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as> > > > your> > > > > >>> case)*> > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto> > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the> > > > signfications> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>>

> 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord> > of> > > > 5> > > > > >>> Jupietr> > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got> > married> > > > to> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy> > marital> > > > > >>> life> > > > > >>> > with children..> > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > Regards> > > > > >>> > Adith> >

> > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@> > > > >wrote:> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,> > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many> > experieced> > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.> > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are> > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20> > > > >

>>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ...Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012> > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..> > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no> > stability> > > > in> > > > > >>> job> > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa> > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.> > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a> > > > Neptune> > > > > >>> > > Pluto

effect.> > > > > >>> > > thanks> > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <> > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL> > signifies> > > > any of> > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL> > > >

(which> > > > > >>> is Shani> > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected> > with> > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some> > effect> > > > on> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I> > > > understood> > > > > >>> from> > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as> > experienced> > > > by> > > > > >>> him in> > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be> > >

> promised> > > > > >>> due to> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get> > his> > > > > >>> personal> > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.> > He> > > > has> > > > > >>> given many> > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache> > > > Dene"> > > > > >>> edited and> > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those> > articles.> > > >

> >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.> > If> > > > you> > > > > >>> can> > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of> > marriage I> > > > > >>> will be> > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Regards> > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >> > > > >

>>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%> > 40. com><k_p_ system%> >> > > > 40. com>> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM> > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -> > View> > > > from> > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,> > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your

post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani> > > > aspects> > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,> > > > aspected> > > > > >>> planet> > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is> > > > > >>> sigifying> > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then> > aspected> > > > > >>> planet will> > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as> > well> > > > as> > > > > >>> secondary> > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8

being aspected by> > > > pluto,> > > > > >>> then> > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see> > that> > > > when> > > > > >>> these> > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a> > > > considerable> > > > > >>> time. As> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is> > not> > > > having> > > > > >>> DBAs,> > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this> > case,> > > > pluto> > > > > >>> is not> > > > > >>> > >>

supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,> > > > Sunilji> > > > > >>> has> > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had> > an> > > > > >>> occasion to> > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted> > with> > > > > >>> theknowledge> > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to> > 7th> > > > cusp.> > > > > >>> So not> > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another> > reasons> > > > which> > > > > >>> we canot> > > > > >>>

> >> identify now..> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> With regards.> > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The> > SCientific> > > > > >>> Socy.for> > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India> > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@> > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@> > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote> > > > > >>> > >> >> > >

> > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 .......7CSL Sat> > aspects> > > > > >>> Pluto to> > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question> > of> > > > DBA> > > > > >>> orstar> > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise.My understanding of Sunil ji's> > > > principle> > > > > >>> is even> > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto> > the> > > > > >>> result is> > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In

message #> > > > > >>> 14157.....It was> > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr.> > > > Sunil> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet> > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... .......... .......... ......... .......but pluto> > gives> > > > > >>> negation"2. I> > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When> > we> > > > say> > > > > >>> that> > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is> > based> > > > on> > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it

was observed that Pluto has> > negative> > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases> > > > should be> > > > > >>> studied> > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such> > as> > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can> > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,> > > > Uranus> > > > > >>> which have> > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.> > This> > > > > >>> idea may> > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved

by> > > > > >>> research.Subhash> > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials> > -> > > > View> > > > > >>> from> > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >

>>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star> > > > lord> > > > > >>> theory> > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.> > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123> > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny> > > > > >>> marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114> > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house> > > > (there> > > > > >>> 11th> > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage> > > > instead> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji> > has> > > > > >>> found any> > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of> > Pluto> > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found> > in KP> > > > or> > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the

rationale of such a small> > > > > >>> satellite can> > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea> > is> > > > not> > > > > >>> in KP.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,> > > > > >>> > >> TW> > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups..com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This> > > > confirms> > > > >

>>> that> > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS> > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > TW> > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM> > > > > >>> > >> > Subject:

Re: Query on financials - View from> > > > Sunilji> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > 16123> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > 16114> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > 14157> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > --- In

@gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the> > > > effects of> > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > >>> > >> also> > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more> > > > appropriate> > > > > >>> to> > > > > >>> > >> study> > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than> > > > > >>> studying its>

> > > > >>> > >> appearance> > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years> > to> > > > > >>> complete one> > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each> > > > > >>> constellation> > > > > >>> > >> in about> > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of> > 27> > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore> > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data

for analyzing> > its> > > > > >>> effects.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable> > TW ji> > > > > >>> says> > > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God> > Shiva,> > > > the> > > > > >>> > >> creator and> > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring> > deep> > > > > >>> > >> transformation> > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is> > > > destruction> > > > > >>>

of> > > > > >>> > >> anything that> > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it........... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477)."> > > > This> > > > > >>> shows> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's> > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune> > are> > > > not> > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.> > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced> > such> > > > > >>> effects in> > > > > >>> > >>

many> > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on> > Pluto's> > > > (or> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance> > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no> > research> > > > > >>> data> > > > > >>> > >> available. Further> > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari> > Dasha> > > > > >>> System.> > > > > >>> > >> Then how> > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is> > conjunction> > > > or> > > > > >>> >

>> aspects of the DBAS> > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed> > orb). I> > > > > >>> would> > > > > >>> > >> like to request> > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is> > correct> > > > or> > > > > >>> wrong.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has> > > > come> > > > > >>> across> > > > > >>> > >> many such> > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted

I would like to offer my services> > for> > > > > >>> systematic> > > > > >>> > >> study and> > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > TW> > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro

ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM> > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View> > from> > > > > >>> Sunilji> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug> > > > 2009)> > > > > >>> Western> > > > > >>> > >> Experience> > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his> > > > daughter> > > > > >>>

Deva> > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,> > Pluto> > > > is> > > > > >>> known as> > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey> > Green> > > > > >>> said that> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery> > of> > > > > >>> soul,> > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive> > > > side of> > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian> > > > profession is> > > > > >>> >

>> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,> > page> > > > 46)> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts> > > > > >>> > >> > > 14.. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of> > > > Pluto> > > > > >>> and> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0> > are> > > > > >>> checked and> > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.> > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses> > > > > >>> > >> > > H.. Ne.. Pl> > > > > >>> > >> > >

1.. 11.. 9> > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15> > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4> > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4> > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5> > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2> > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15> > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15> > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9> > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8> > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5> > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >

15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The> > > > > >>> house-wise> > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from> > the> > > > > >>> average of 8%,> > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise> > > > appearance is> > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and> > 8> > > > > >>> houses by> > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the> > > > cause> > > > > >>> of no> > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.> > Hence> > >

> > >>> Pluto or> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance> > in> > > > the> > > > > >>> 7th> > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings> > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships> > or> > > > > >>> Synastry> > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not> > wholly> > > > > >>> malefic or> > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological> > > >

aspects.> > > > > >>> Rahu and> > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific> > > > procedure> > > > > >>> followed> > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to> > > > magnify> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that> > planet> > > > > >>> always for> > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection> > > > carries> > > > > >>> heavy> > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and> > > >

wealth.> > > > > >>> (Noel> > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or> > benefic.> > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power> > > > struggle> > > > > >>> between> > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable> > > > > >>> consequences, but> > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the> > 7th is> > > > not> > > > > >>> doomed> > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to> > > > relinquish> > > > > >>> them>

> > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA> > > > charts> > > > > >>> also> > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no> > > > marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to> > > > > >>> senselessly> > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse> > > > effects,> > > > > >>> which> > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one> > > > hundred> > > > > >>> > >>

carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith> > Hill> > > > in> > > > > >>> Medical> > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58..> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this> > horoscope> > > > > >>> pointing to> > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto.

I also remember a couple of> > > > write> > > > > >>> ups( in a> > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on> > effect> > > > of> > > > > >>> aspects> > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I> > had> > > > > >>> almost> > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents> > from> > > > his> > > > > >>> mail(> > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as

below :> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto Effects" the> > extra> > > > > >>> planetary> > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following> > these> > > > > >>> planets and> > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are> > considered.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and

Jupiter also aspecting> > Pluto> > > > @4> > > > > >>> > >> degrees.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good> > > > results> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto> > effects> > > > and> > > > > >>> when> > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given

in my diwali 2008 issue and i> > have> > > > got> > > > > >>> many> > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...> > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43

AM> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.> > Out of> > > > > >>> these 8> > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close> > > > cojunction> > > > > >>> with the> > > > > >>> > >> Badaka

Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of> > 8.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in> > its> > > > > >>> star).> > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further> > Mercury> > > > being> > > > > >>> in> > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the> > 5(12> > > > to> > > > > >>> 6) ,8> >

> > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and> > it> > > > is> > > > > >>> being> > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)> > .> > > > But> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it> > may> > > > > >>> signfy the> > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign> > countries.> > > > But> > > > > >>> 5,8,12> > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > >

>>> > >> > > > Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman> > amitbs2002@> > > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,> > > >

> >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen> > shot in> > > > the> > > > > >>> .doc> > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the> > cusp> > > > > >>> chart +> > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its> > > > > >>> significations per 4> > > > > >>> > >> step are :> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of

Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance> > ),11 & 10.> > > > > >>> Though 8> > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but> > also> > > > > >>> shows gain> > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5

shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he> > will> > > > > >>> also> > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad> > > > economic> > > > > >>> > >> situation?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is> > bad> > > > .> > > > > >>> We see> > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.> > > > signification> > > > > >>> are> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

>Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=> > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,> > > > > >>> 5 + 6> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th> > sub> > > > > >>> should> > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are> > > > > >>>

signified. Then> > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit

Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST..> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this> > time,usingK. P.> > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier> > > > your> > > > > >>> analysis>

> > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II> > as> > > > > >>> Jupiter...> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord> > and> > > > the> > > > > >>> sub-sub> > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and> > > > > >>> sub-lord> > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr..Soman please erect the Birth chart for this> > > > TOB...you> > > > > >>> will> > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....> > > > > >>> >

>> > > > > With the very best wishes,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > >

>>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a> > horoscope> > > > of a> > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of> > > > issues> > > > > >>> . I> > >

> > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When> > i> > > > > >>> discussed this> > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%> > > > wrong on> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any> > > > > >>> satisfactory KP> > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out> > how> > > > he> > > > > >>> is> > > > > >>> > >> doing financially (

say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the> > > > > >>> prospects for> > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> >

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I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali. This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW & they are as good as anbody in the group.

 

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Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi Sent: Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AMRe: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sudan,

I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New Ayanamsa...

Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much of a difference

Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..

Yogesh Lajmi--- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar@gro ups.comSunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

Dear G.Singh ji,As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-" Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively. ..!"I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-SaMoon : Ve-Me-SaSw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, "G" <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:>> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth time.> > G. Singh> > @gro ups.com, "TW" <tw853@> wrote:> >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,> > > > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.> > > > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect > > > > 3. Major events are as given under.> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?) > > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second

time monetary gain;> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit > > > > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.> > > > Thanks and regards,> > TW > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Tw ji,> > > > > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -> > > > > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and

late> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well

as KP.> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always remain> > > non-reliable.> > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > >

>> > > > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in> > > > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really> > > > delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp> > > > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to> > > > study in this regard.> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and

present the result to> > > > the forum.> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of

Jupiter as learned from his grand> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's> > > > walking out.> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > TW> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I> > > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is

Saturn> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under> > > > discussion,> > > > > only sign exchange.> > > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > >

> > >> > > > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is> > > > uploaded in> > > > > > the File section.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > TW> > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,> > > > Punit> > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems> > > > very> > > > > >

> strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something> > > > quite> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying> > > > > > nature> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage> > > > > > delay.> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth> > > > details> > > > > > have> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem> > > > and> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point> > > > seems> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such

conclusion. Sat being> > > > 7th> > > > > > CSL> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points> > > > have> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo> > > > > > also. But> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be> > > > we> > > > > > have to> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1> > > > > > > >

also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Adith> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil> > > > ji,> > > > > > I> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love> > > > marriage/> > > > > > happy> > > > > > >

>> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7

signification.> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who> > > > are> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto> > > > > > > >>> is not considered..

..also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?> > > > > > > >>> thanks> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%> > > >> > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, "adith> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord> > > > of> > > > > > 12 is> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)> > > > and> > > > > > sat> > > > > > > >>> is> > > >

> > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level> > > > is> > > > > > > >>> detrimental> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in> > > > > > Jupiter (> > > > > > > >>> R)> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord> > > > > > present,> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the> > > > marraige> > > > > > is> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases> > > > > > study,> >

> > > > > >>> the> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many> > > > cases.> > > > > > > >>> Moreover> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*> > > > which> > > > > > > >>> also> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study> > > > charts> > > > > > > >>> which I> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*> > > > > > >

>>> > Female:> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts> > > > crossed> > > > > > 11th> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in

6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly> > > > > > signfies> > > > > > > >>> 6.*> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited> > > > in 11> > > > > > in> > > > > > > >>> its> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as> > > > > > your> > > > > > > >>> case)*> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.> > > > >

> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the> > > > > > signfications> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord> > > > of> > > > > > 5> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got> > > > married> > > > > > to> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a

happy> > > > marital> > > > > > > >>> life> > > > > > > >>> > with children.> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards> > > > > > > >>> > Adith> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@> > > > > > >wrote:> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many> > > > experieced> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus

Neptune effects the native..> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no> > > > stability> > > > > > in> > > > > > > >>> job> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a> > > > > > Neptune> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL> > > > signifies> > > > > > any of> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL> > > > > > (which> > > > > > > >>> is Shani> > >

> > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected> > > > with> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some> > > > effect> > > > > > on> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I> > > > > > understood> > > > > > > >>> from> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as> > > > experienced> > > > > > by> > > > > > > >>> him in> > > > > > > >>> > >>

many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be> > > > > > promised> > > > > > > >>> due to> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get> > > > his> > > > > > > >>> personal> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.> > > > He> > > > > > has> > > > > > > >>> given many> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache> > > > > >

Dene"> > > > > > > >>> edited and> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those> > > > articles.> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.> > > > If> > > > > > you> > > > > > > >>> can> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of> > > > marriage I> > > > > > > >>> will be> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%> > > >> > > > > > 40. com>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday,

October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -> > > > View> > > > > > from> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani> > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,> > > > > > aspected> > > > > > > >>> planet> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer

the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is> > > > > > > >>> sigifying> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then> > > > aspected> > > > > > > >>> planet will> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as> > > > well> > > > > > as> > > > > > > >>> secondary> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected by> > > > > > pluto,> > > > > > > >>> then> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see> > > > that> > >

> > > when> > > > > > > >>> these> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a> > > > > > considerable> > > > > > > >>> time. As> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is> > > > not> > > > > > having> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this> > > > case,> > > > > > pluto> > > > > > > >>> is not> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,> > > > > >

Sunilji> > > > > > > >>> has> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had> > > > an> > > > > > > >>> occasion to> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted> > > > with> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to> > > > 7th> > > > > > cusp.> > > > > > > >>> So not> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another> > > > reasons> > > > > > which> > > > > > >

>>> we canot> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The> > > > SCientific> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit :

physics@> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 ........7CSL Sat> > > > aspects> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question> > > > of> > > > > > DBA> > > > > > > >>> orstar> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of Sunil ji's> > > > > > principle> > >

> > > > >>> is even> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto> > > > the> > > > > > > >>> result is> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message #> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr.> > > > > > Sunil> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... ......... .......but pluto> > > > gives> > > > > > > >>> negation"2. I>

> > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When> > > > we> > > > > > say> > > > > > > >>> that> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is> > > > based> > > > > > on> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has> > > > negative> > > > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases> > > > > > should be> > > > > > > >>> studied> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When

shadow planets such> > > > as> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,> > > > > > Uranus> > > > > > > >>> which have> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.> > > > This> > > > > > > >>> idea may> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> >

>> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials> > > > -> > > > > > View> > > > > > > >>> from> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >

>>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star> > > > > > lord> > > > > > > >>> theory> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny> > > > > > > >>> marriage.> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house> > > > > > (there> > > > > > > >>> 11th> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage> > > > > > instead> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would

be the same in 7th not give marriage.> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji> > > > has> > > > > > > >>> found any> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of> > > > Pluto> > > > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found> > > > in KP> > > > > > or>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a small> > > > > > > >>> satellite can> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea> > > > is> > > > > > not> > > > > > > >>> in KP.> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > > >

>>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This> > > > > > confirms> > > > > > > >>> that> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from> > > > > > Sunilji> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups.

/ group/k_p_ system/message/> > > > 16123> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > > > 16114> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > > > 14157> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the> > > > > > effects of> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > > > >>> > >> also> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more> > > > > > appropriate> > > > > > > >>> to> > > > > > > >>> > >> study> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than> > > > > > > >>> studying its> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.> > > > > >

> >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years> > > > to> > > > > > > >>> complete one> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each> > > > > > > >>> constellation> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of> > > > 27> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing> > > > its> > > > >

> > >>> effects.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable> > > > TW ji> > > > > > > >>> says> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God> > > > Shiva,> > > > > > the> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring> > > > deep> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is>

> > > > > destruction> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477)."> > > > > > This> > > > > > > >>> shows> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune> > > > are> > > > > > not> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced> > > > such> > > > > > > >>> effects in> > > > > > > >>> > >> many> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on> > > > Pluto's> > > > > > (or> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no> > > > research> > > > > > > >>> data> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in

Vimshottari> > > > Dasha> > > > > > > >>> System..> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is> > > > conjunction> > > > > > or> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed> > > > orb). I> > > > > > > >>> would> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is> > > > correct> > > > > > or> > >

> > > > >>> wrong.> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has> > > > > > come> > > > > > > >>> across> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services> > > > for> > > > > > > >>> systematic> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View>

> > > from> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug> > > > > > 2009)> > > > > > > >>> Western> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his> > > > > > daughter> > > > > > > >>> Deva> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,>

> > > Pluto> > > > > > is> > > > > > > >>> known as> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey> > > > Green> > > > > > > >>> said that> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery> > > > of> > > > > > > >>> soul,> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive> > > > > > side of> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian> > > > > > profession is> > > > > >

> >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,> > > > page> > > > > > 46)> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of> > > > > > Pluto> > > > > > > >>> and> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0> > > > are> > > > > > > >>> checked and> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in

Houses> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8> >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The> > > > > > > >>> house-wise> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from> > > > the> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise> > > > > > appearance is> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and> > > > 8> >

> > > > > >>> houses by> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the> > > > > > cause> > > > > > > >>> of no> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.> > > > Hence> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance> > > > in> > > > > > the> > > > > > > >>> 7th> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

Findings> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships> > > > or> > > > > > > >>> Synastry> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not> > > > wholly> > > > > > > >>> malefic or> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological> > > > > > aspects.> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific> > > > > > procedure> > > > > > > >>> followed> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff

Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to> > > > > > magnify> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that> > > > planet> > > > > > > >>> always for> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection> > > > > > carries> > > > > > > >>> heavy> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and> > > > > > wealth.> > > > > > > >>> (Noel> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or> > > > benefic.>

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power> > > > > > struggle> > > > > > > >>> between> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the> > > > 7th is> > > > > > not> > > > > > > >>> doomed> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to> > > > > > relinquish> > > > > > > >>> them> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz

Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA> > > > > > charts> > > > > > > >>> also> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no> > > > > > marriage.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to> > > > > > > >>> senselessly> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse> > > > > > effects,> > > > > > > >>> which> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one> > > > > >

hundred> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith> > > > Hill> > > > > > in> > > > > > > >>> Medical> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply

from sunilji on this> > > > horoscope> > > > > > > >>> pointing to> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of> > > > > > write> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on> > > > effect> > > > > > of> > > > > > > >>> aspects> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I> > > > had> > > > > > > >>> almost> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents> > > > from> > > > > > his> > > > > > > >>> mail(> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto Effects" the> > > > extra> > > > > > > >>> planetary> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following> > > > these> > > > > > >

>>> planets and> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are> > > > considered.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting> > > > Pluto> > > > > > @4> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good> > > > > > results> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11

bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto> > > > effects> > > > > > and> > > > > > > >>> when> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i> > > > have> > > > > > got> > > > > > > >>> many> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials> > > > > > > >>> >

>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.> > > > Out of> > > > > > > >>> these 8> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close> > > > > > cojunction> > > > > > > >>> with the> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord

of> > > > 8.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in> > > > its> > > > > > > >>> star).> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further> > > > Mercury> > > > > > being> > > > > > > >>> in> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the> > > > 5(12>

> > > > > to> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and> > > > it> > > > > > is> > > > > > > >>> being> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)> > > > .> > > > > > But> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it> > > > may> > > > > > > >>> signfy the> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign> > > > countries.> > > > >

> But> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman> > > > amitbs2002@> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen> > > > shot in> > > > > > the> > > > > > > >>> .doc> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the> > > > cusp> > > > > > > >>> chart +> > > > > >

> >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014> > > > > > > >>> >

>> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance> > > > ),11 & 10.> > > > > > > >>> Though 8> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but> > > > also> > > > > > > >>> shows gain> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he> > > > will> > > > > > > >>> also> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad> > > > > >

economic> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is> > > > bad> > > > > > .> > > > > > > >>> We see> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.> > > > > > signification> > > > > > > >>> are> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju :

(11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th> > > > sub> > > > > > > >>> should> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are> > > > > > > >>> signified.

Then> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro

ups.com> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this> > > > time,usingK. P.> > >

> > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier> > > > > > your> > > > > > > >>> analysis> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II> > > > as> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord> > > > and> > > > > > the> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!> > >

> > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this> > > > > > TOB...you> > > > > > > >>> will> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >

> > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a> > > > horoscope> > > > > > of a> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of> > > > > > issues> > > > > > > >>> . I> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When> > > > i> > > > > > > >>> discussed this> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%> > > > > > wrong on>

> > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out> > > > how> > > > > > he> > > > > > > >>> is> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the> > > > > > > >>> prospects for> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?> > > > > >

> >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >

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> >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > --> > > > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar> > > > > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask. com> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> >

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Dear Mr.Naidu,

One definitely can find out the exact Time of Birth in atleast 85 to 90% of cases by using the methods described in the excellent book "Astrosecrets & K.P." Part II,kindly peruse the chapters Ascendant(Lagna),Lagna determination,A method to set a correct Lagna using K.P.,Birth Time Verification., by the late Shri M.P.Shanmugham and edited by Mr.K.Subramaniam...

Pl. try them out and then form an opinion...(only a lawyer can make the statement like the one you've made...surely not a K.P. Astrologer).

Even so,there are methods available in K.P., to rectify a given Birth Time...and if one has a well-developed intuitive power,his success-rate can increase further... !

Allow me to give you an example of the accuracy of K.P.,and through this also one can correct his TOB to the exact one...note the exact time whenever one gets an accidental cut and it bleeds,the RPs at the time will be reflecting the sublords of the IVth,VIth & Xth houses...Also it has been proved by K.P. Scholars sny number of times that accidents take place during the D/B/A/S periods of the significators of houses IV,VIII & XII...! !

Why don't you test this out whenever you get a minor cut and blood oozes oit...note the time and at your leisure calculate the RPs at that time...you will be more than surprised...

If one works with a devoted mind one can achieve an enviable success-rate...with K.P. Horary or Natal...

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, K. P. Naidu <konathalan wrote:

K. P. Naidu <konathalanRe: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 4:32 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear sri Yogesh Ji,PROVED CORRECT means what may kindly be clarified.Correct Time of Birth is not known to many, because by the time is recorded whether it is 1st or 2nd or 3rd breath who knows ? God only knows correct Birth Time. Whether the rectified Birth Time tallies all the past life events of the native, as per KP rules?Thanks & Regards,Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Sun, 4/10/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar@gro ups.comCc: "tw853" <tw853 >Sunday, 4 October, 2009, 10:12 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear TW,

I am pleased to inform you that the TOB rectified by me was confirmed by Mr. Gurmeet Singh...10-14-30 AM. IST at Ludhiana...

I have sent many a BTRs through this site...ALL of them have proved correct,except perhaps a single exception...

Yogesh Lajmi.

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, TW <tw853 > wrote:

TW <tw853 > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar@gro ups.comSunday, October 4, 2009, 1:40 PM

Dear BTR practising Friends,1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect 3. Major events are as given under.1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?) 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third

time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.Thanks and regards,TW @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Tw ji,> > Please note my views on each mentioned point -> > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear.. Early marriage and late> marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith> ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her> place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some> of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon> and Mercury. I got the answer what I was

looking for from Adith ji's email.> 2. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who> do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.> 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email> only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.> 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give> early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.> 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before> proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring> disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this> by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as> well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an> astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always

remain> non-reliable.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> >> > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in> > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really> > delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has> > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp> > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old> > Edition Practical Part p 49.> > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but> > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to> > study in this

regard.> > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and> > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to> > the forum.> > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a> > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi> > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar> > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of> > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied..> > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,> > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a> > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of> > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart,

BV> > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand> > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.> > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and> > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's> > walking out.> >> > Thanks and regards,> > TW> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > >> > > Thanks Tw ji..I> > >> > > These are the points we are discussing -> > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn> > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th> > > 3. Technically there is no

Punarphoo (> > > http://logy. . astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under> > discussion,> > > only sign exchange.> > >> > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > > >> > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is> > uploaded in> > > > the File section.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > TW> > > >> > > >

@gro ups.com <% 40. com>,> > Punit> >> > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Adith ji,> > > > >> > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems> > very> > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something> > quite> > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying> > > > nature> > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage> > > > delay.> > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows> > > > >

possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth> > details> > > > have> > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem> > and> > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <> > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji.> > > > > >> > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.> > > > > >> > > > >

> But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point> > seems> > > > to> > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being> > 7th> > > > CSL> > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points> > have> > > > to> > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign> > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo> > > > also. But> > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be> > we> > > > have to> > > > > > study the other factors also.> > > > > >> > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our

Quiz # 1> > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery)..> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Adith> > > > > >> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil> > ji,> > > > I> > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love> > marriage/> > > > happy> > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.> > > > > >>> > > > > >>

Thanks & Regards,> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Punit Pandey> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> dear adith,> > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.> > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify> > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.> > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who> > are> > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period.> > > > > >>> retro planets

effects are taken in horary and not in> > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking> > > > > >>> is not as per kp.> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage> > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.> > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto> > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more> > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of> > > > > >>> pluto effect.> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when> > > > > >>> 7th

sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives> > > > > >>> a early marriage?> > > > > >>> thanks> > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%> >> >> > > > 40. com>, "adith> > > >> > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as

all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord> > of> > > > 12 is> > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)> > and> > > > sat> > > > > >>> is> > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level> > is> > > > > >>> detrimental> > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in> > > > Jupiter (> > > > > >>> R)> > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord> > > > present,> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the> > marraige> > >

> is> > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases> > > > study,> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many> > cases.> > > > > >>> Moreover> > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*> > which> > > > > >>> also> > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study> > charts> > > > > >>> which I> > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*> > >

> > >>> > Female:> > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977> > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM> > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,> > > > > >>> > 11n42> > > > > >>> > 77e53> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.> > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts> > crossed> > > > 11th> > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly> > > > signfies> > > > > >>>

6.*> > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited> > in 11> > > > in> > > > > >>> its> > > > > >>> > own sign.> > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.> > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as> > > > your> > > > > >>> case)*> > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto> > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the> > > > signfications> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>>

> 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord> > of> > > > 5> > > > > >>> Jupietr> > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got> > married> > > > to> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy> > marital> > > > > >>> life> > > > > >>> > with children..> > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > Regards> > > > > >>> > Adith> >

> > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@> > > > >wrote:> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,> > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many> > experieced> > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.> > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are> > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20> > > > >

>>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ...Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012> > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..> > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no> > stability> > > > in> > > > > >>> job> > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa> > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.> > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a> > > > Neptune> > > > > >>> > > Pluto

effect.> > > > > >>> > > thanks> > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <> > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL> > signifies> > > > any of> > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL> > > >

(which> > > > > >>> is Shani> > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected> > with> > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some> > effect> > > > on> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I> > > > understood> > > > > >>> from> > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as> > experienced> > > > by> > > > > >>> him in> > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be> > >

> promised> > > > > >>> due to> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get> > his> > > > > >>> personal> > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.> > He> > > > has> > > > > >>> given many> > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache> > > > Dene"> > > > > >>> edited and> > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those> > articles.> > > >

> >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.> > If> > > > you> > > > > >>> can> > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of> > marriage I> > > > > >>> will be> > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Regards> > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >> > > > >

>>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%> > 40. com><k_p_ system%> >> > > > 40. com>> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM> > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -> > View> > > > from> > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,> > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your

post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani> > > > aspects> > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,> > > > aspected> > > > > >>> planet> > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is> > > > > >>> sigifying> > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then> > aspected> > > > > >>> planet will> > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as> > well> > > > as> > > > > >>> secondary> > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8

being aspected by> > > > pluto,> > > > > >>> then> > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see> > that> > > > when> > > > > >>> these> > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a> > > > considerable> > > > > >>> time. As> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is> > not> > > > having> > > > > >>> DBAs,> > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this> > case,> > > > pluto> > > > > >>> is not> > > > > >>> > >>

supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,> > > > Sunilji> > > > > >>> has> > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had> > an> > > > > >>> occasion to> > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted> > with> > > > > >>> theknowledge> > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to> > 7th> > > > cusp.> > > > > >>> So not> > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another> > reasons> > > > which> > > > > >>> we canot> > > > > >>>

> >> identify now..> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> With regards.> > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The> > SCientific> > > > > >>> Socy.for> > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India> > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@> > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@> > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote> > > > > >>> > >> >> > >

> > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 .......7CSL Sat> > aspects> > > > > >>> Pluto to> > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question> > of> > > > DBA> > > > > >>> orstar> > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise.My understanding of Sunil ji's> > > > principle> > > > > >>> is even> > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto> > the> > > > > >>> result is> > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In

message #> > > > > >>> 14157.....It was> > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr.> > > > Sunil> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet> > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... .......... .......... ......... .......but pluto> > gives> > > > > >>> negation"2. I> > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When> > we> > > > say> > > > > >>> that> > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is> > based> > > > on> > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it

was observed that Pluto has> > negative> > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases> > > > should be> > > > > >>> studied> > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such> > as> > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can> > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,> > > > Uranus> > > > > >>> which have> > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.> > This> > > > > >>> idea may> > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved

by> > > > > >>> research.Subhash> > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials> > -> > > > View> > > > > >>> from> > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >

>>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star> > > > lord> > > > > >>> theory> > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.> > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123> > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny> > > > > >>> marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114> > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house> > > > (there> > > > > >>> 11th> > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage> > > > instead> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji> > has> > > > > >>> found any> > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of> > Pluto> > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found> > in KP> > > > or> > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the

rationale of such a small> > > > > >>> satellite can> > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea> > is> > > > not> > > > > >>> in KP.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,> > > > > >>> > >> TW> > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups..com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This> > > > confirms> > > > >

>>> that> > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS> > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > TW> > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM> > > > > >>> > >> > Subject:

Re: Query on financials - View from> > > > Sunilji> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > 16123> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > 16114> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > 14157> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > --- In

@gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the> > > > effects of> > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > >>> > >> also> > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more> > > > appropriate> > > > > >>> to> > > > > >>> > >> study> > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than> > > > > >>> studying its>

> > > > >>> > >> appearance> > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years> > to> > > > > >>> complete one> > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each> > > > > >>> constellation> > > > > >>> > >> in about> > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of> > 27> > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore> > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data

for analyzing> > its> > > > > >>> effects.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable> > TW ji> > > > > >>> says> > > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God> > Shiva,> > > > the> > > > > >>> > >> creator and> > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring> > deep> > > > > >>> > >> transformation> > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is> > > > destruction> > > > > >>>

of> > > > > >>> > >> anything that> > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it........... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477)."> > > > This> > > > > >>> shows> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's> > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune> > are> > > > not> > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.> > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced> > such> > > > > >>> effects in> > > > > >>> > >>

many> > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on> > Pluto's> > > > (or> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance> > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no> > research> > > > > >>> data> > > > > >>> > >> available. Further> > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari> > Dasha> > > > > >>> System.> > > > > >>> > >> Then how> > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is> > conjunction> > > > or> > > > > >>> >

>> aspects of the DBAS> > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed> > orb). I> > > > > >>> would> > > > > >>> > >> like to request> > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is> > correct> > > > or> > > > > >>> wrong.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has> > > > come> > > > > >>> across> > > > > >>> > >> many such> > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted

I would like to offer my services> > for> > > > > >>> systematic> > > > > >>> > >> study and> > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > TW> > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro

ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM> > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View> > from> > > > > >>> Sunilji> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug> > > > 2009)> > > > > >>> Western> > > > > >>> > >> Experience> > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his> > > > daughter> > > > > >>>

Deva> > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,> > Pluto> > > > is> > > > > >>> known as> > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey> > Green> > > > > >>> said that> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery> > of> > > > > >>> soul,> > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive> > > > side of> > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian> > > > profession is> > > > > >>> >

>> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,> > page> > > > 46)> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts> > > > > >>> > >> > > 14.. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of> > > > Pluto> > > > > >>> and> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0> > are> > > > > >>> checked and> > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.> > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses> > > > > >>> > >> > > H.. Ne.. Pl> > > > > >>> > >> > >

1.. 11.. 9> > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15> > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4> > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4> > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5> > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2> > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15> > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15> > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9> > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8> > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5> > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >

15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The> > > > > >>> house-wise> > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from> > the> > > > > >>> average of 8%,> > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise> > > > appearance is> > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and> > 8> > > > > >>> houses by> > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the> > > > cause> > > > > >>> of no> > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.> > Hence> > >

> > >>> Pluto or> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance> > in> > > > the> > > > > >>> 7th> > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings> > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships> > or> > > > > >>> Synastry> > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not> > wholly> > > > > >>> malefic or> > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological> > > >

aspects.> > > > > >>> Rahu and> > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific> > > > procedure> > > > > >>> followed> > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to> > > > magnify> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that> > planet> > > > > >>> always for> > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection> > > > carries> > > > > >>> heavy> > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and> > > >

wealth.> > > > > >>> (Noel> > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or> > benefic.> > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power> > > > struggle> > > > > >>> between> > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable> > > > > >>> consequences, but> > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the> > 7th is> > > > not> > > > > >>> doomed> > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to> > > > relinquish> > > > > >>> them>

> > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA> > > > charts> > > > > >>> also> > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no> > > > marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to> > > > > >>> senselessly> > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse> > > > effects,> > > > > >>> which> > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one> > > > hundred> > > > > >>> > >>

carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith> > Hill> > > > in> > > > > >>> Medical> > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58..> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this> > horoscope> > > > > >>> pointing to> > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto.

I also remember a couple of> > > > write> > > > > >>> ups( in a> > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on> > effect> > > > of> > > > > >>> aspects> > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I> > had> > > > > >>> almost> > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents> > from> > > > his> > > > > >>> mail(> > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as

below :> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto Effects" the> > extra> > > > > >>> planetary> > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following> > these> > > > > >>> planets and> > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are> > considered.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and

Jupiter also aspecting> > Pluto> > > > @4> > > > > >>> > >> degrees.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good> > > > results> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto> > effects> > > > and> > > > > >>> when> > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given

in my diwali 2008 issue and i> > have> > > > got> > > > > >>> many> > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...> > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43

AM> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.> > Out of> > > > > >>> these 8> > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close> > > > cojunction> > > > > >>> with the> > > > > >>> > >> Badaka

Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of> > 8.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in> > its> > > > > >>> star).> > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further> > Mercury> > > > being> > > > > >>> in> > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the> > 5(12> > > > to> > > > > >>> 6) ,8> >

> > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and> > it> > > > is> > > > > >>> being> > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)> > .> > > > But> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it> > may> > > > > >>> signfy the> > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign> > countries.> > > > But> > > > > >>> 5,8,12> > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > >

>>> > >> > > > Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman> > amitbs2002@> > > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,> > > >

> >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen> > shot in> > > > the> > > > > >>> .doc> > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the> > cusp> > > > > >>> chart +> > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its> > > > > >>> significations per 4> > > > > >>> > >> step are :> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of

Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance> > ),11 & 10.> > > > > >>> Though 8> > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but> > also> > > > > >>> shows gain> > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5

shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he> > will> > > > > >>> also> > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad> > > > economic> > > > > >>> > >> situation?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is> > bad> > > > .> > > > > >>> We see> > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.> > > > signification> > > > > >>> are> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

>Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=> > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,> > > > > >>> 5 + 6> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th> > sub> > > > > >>> should> > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are> > > > > >>>

signified. Then> > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit

Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST..> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this> > time,usingK. P.> > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier> > > > your> > > > > >>> analysis>

> > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II> > as> > > > > >>> Jupiter...> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord> > and> > > > the> > > > > >>> sub-sub> > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and> > > > > >>> sub-lord> > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr..Soman please erect the Birth chart for this> > > > TOB...you> > > > > >>> will> > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....> > > > > >>> >

>> > > > > With the very best wishes,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > >

>>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a> > horoscope> > > > of a> > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of> > > > issues> > > > > >>> . I> > >

> > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When> > i> > > > > >>> discussed this> > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%> > > > wrong on> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any> > > > > >>> satisfactory KP> > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out> > how> > > > he> > > > > >>> is> > > > > >>> > >> doing financially (

say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the> > > > > >>> prospects for> > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >

>>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> >

>>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> <> > >

> > >>>> > > >> > http://sigads. rediff.com/ RealMedia/ ads/click_ nx.ads/www. rediffmail. com/signaturelin e.htm@Middle> > ?> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > --> > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar> > > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask. com> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>>

>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

 

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Dear Amit ji,

 

If we ,in setting of Jhora,add 23.5188 Seconds to KPA of JHora it will give as

NKPA,you can try it.Where in the forum Tiwinji have compared some software and

JHora is giving perfectly result.

 

Once we clear the doubts than we can use confidently any software.

 

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M.S.Bohra

 

, Amit Soman <amitbs2002 wrote:

>

> Dear Bohraji

>

> I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali. This

worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW & they

are as good as anbody in the group.

>

> Regards

> Amit

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi

>

> Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM

> Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

>

>  

> Dear Sudan,

>                  I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa

used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s SW...for

best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New

Ayanamsa...

>                  Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much of

a difference 

>                  Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB

arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..

>                  Yogesh Lajmi

>

> --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

>

>

> >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> >@gro ups.com

> >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

> >

> >

> > 

> >

> >Dear G.Singh ji,

> >

> >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-

> >

> > " Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord of

the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively. ..! "

> >

> >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant ,is

10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?

> >

> >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa

> >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa

> >

> >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.

> >

> >Thanks,

> >

> >M.S.Bohra

> >

> >@gro ups.com, " G " <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:

> >>

> >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth

time.

> >>

> >> G. Singh

> >>

> >> @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> >> >

> >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very

interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically

by discussion in the forum.

> >> >

> >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> >> >

> >> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and

seperation

> >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by

lottery gain?)

> >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money

> >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary

gain;

> >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate

relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting

schorlarship;

> >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of

illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

> >> >

> >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

> >> >

> >> > Thanks and regards,

> >> > TW

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> >> > >

> >> > > Dear Tw ji,

> >> > >

> >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> >> > >

> >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and

late

> >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from

Adith

> >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her

> >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for

some

> >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by

Moon

> >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's

email.

> >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP

astrologers who

> >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my

email

> >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that

give

> >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.

> >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details

before

> >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring

> >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do

this

> >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the

source as

> >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an

> >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always

remain

> >> > > non-reliable.

> >> > >

> >> > > Thanks & Regards,

> >> > >

> >> > > Punit Pandey

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> >> > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> >> > > >

> >> > > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is uploaded in

> >> > > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really

> >> > > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It

has

> >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt

or opp

> >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP Reader III p

205 (Old

> >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but

> >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us

know to

> >> > > > study in this regard.

> >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th

and

> >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the

result to

> >> > > > the forum.

> >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To

get a

> >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma

Gandhi

> >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar

> >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King

of

> >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any

native,

> >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than

having a

> >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa

of

> >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart,

BV

> >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from

his grand

> >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for

death.

> >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation

and

> >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of

partner's

> >> > > > walking out.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Thanks and regards,

> >> > > > TW

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under

> >> > > > discussion,

> >> > > > > only sign exchange.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is

> >> > > > uploaded in

> >> > > > > > the File section.

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Regards,

> >> > > > > > TW

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40.

com>,

> >> > > > Punit

> >> > > >

> >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. "

seems

> >> > > > very

> >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is

something

> >> > > > quite

> >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on

delaying

> >> > > > > > nature

> >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the

marriage

> >> > > > > > delay.

> >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows

> >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth

> >> > > > details

> >> > > > > > have

> >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with

post-mortem

> >> > > > and

> >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said

point

> >> > > > seems

> >> > > > > > to

> >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat

being

> >> > > > 7th

> >> > > > > > CSL

> >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many

points

> >> > > > have

> >> > > > > > to

> >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat

sign

> >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause

Punarpoo

> >> > > > > > also. But

> >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay.

may be

> >> > > > we

> >> > > > > > have to

> >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our

Quiz # 1

> >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > Regards

> >> > > > > > > > Adith

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>

> >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> >> > > > > > > >>

> >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by

Sunil

> >> > > > ji,

> >> > > > > > I

> >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love

> >> > > > marriage/

> >> > > > > > happy

> >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> >> > > > > > > >>

> >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> >> > > > > > > >>

> >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> >> > > > > > > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>

> >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:

> >> > > > > > > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.

> >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts

who

> >> > > > are

> >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..

> >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of

thinking

> >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.

> >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto

> >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is

more

> >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of

> >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when

> >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives

> >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> >> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <%

40. com><k_p_ system%

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > > > 40. com>, " adith

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:

> >> > > > > > > >>> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> >> > > > > > > >>> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is

lord

> >> > > > of

> >> > > > > > 12 is

> >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet

in 6)

> >> > > > and

> >> > > > > > sat

> >> > > > > > > >>> is

> >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star

level

> >> > > > is

> >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is

again in

> >> > > > > > Jupiter (

> >> > > > > > > >>> R)

> >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by

sublord

> >> > > > > > present,

> >> > > > > > > >>> the

> >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the

> >> > > > marraige

> >> > > > > > is

> >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few

cases

> >> > > > > > study,

> >> > > > > > > >>> the

> >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in

many

> >> > > > cases.

> >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's

star*

> >> > > > which

> >> > > > > > > >>> also

> >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's

study

> >> > > > charts

> >> > > > > > > >>> which I

> >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe

analysis.

> >> > > > > > > >>> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> >> > > > > > > >>> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with

Rahu.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> >> > > > > > > >>> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts

> >> > > > crossed

> >> > > > > > 11th

> >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so

strongly

> >> > > > > > signfies

> >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11

posited

> >> > > > in 11

> >> > > > > > in

> >> > > > > > > >>> its

> >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of

Jupiter (as

> >> > > > > > your

> >> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> >> > > > > > > >>> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the

> >> > > > > > signfications

> >> > > > > > > >>> of

> >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and

the lord

> >> > > > of

> >> > > > > > 5

> >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she

got

> >> > > > married

> >> > > > > > to

> >> > > > > > > >>> the

> >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> >> > > > > > > >>> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a

happy

> >> > > > marital

> >> > > > > > > >>> life

> >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> >> > > > > > > >>> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> >> > > > > > > >>> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar

<sunilalaka@

> >> > > > > > >wrote:

> >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > > > > >>> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many

> >> > > > experieced

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects

Neptune

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the

native..

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no

> >> > > > stability

> >> > > > > > in

> >> > > > > > > >>> job

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the

dasa

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still

unmarried.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star..

again a

> >> > > > > > Neptune

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL

> >> > > > signifies

> >> > > > > > any of

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However

this 7CSL

> >> > > > > > (which

> >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is

connected

> >> > > > with

> >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have

some

> >> > > > effect

> >> > > > > > on

> >> > > > > > > >>> the

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What

I

> >> > > > > > understood

> >> > > > > > > >>> from

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as

> >> > > > experienced

> >> > > > > > by

> >> > > > > > > >>> him in

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not

be

> >> > > > > > promised

> >> > > > > > > >>> due to

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and

get

> >> > > > his

> >> > > > > > > >>> personal

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even

now.

> >> > > > He

> >> > > > > > has

> >> > > > > > > >>> given many

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine

" Nakshatrache

> >> > > > > > Dene "

> >> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those

> >> > > > articles.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in

archive.

> >> > > > If

> >> > > > > > you

> >> > > > > > > >>> can

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of

> >> > > > marriage I

> >> > > > > > > >>> will be

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%

> >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%

> >> > > >

> >> > > > > > 40. com>

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on

financials -

> >> > > > View

> >> > > > > > from

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord

shani

> >> > > > > > aspects

> >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other

planet,

> >> > > > > > aspected

> >> > > > > > > >>> planet

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if

7csl is

> >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet

then

> >> > > > aspected

> >> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary

as

> >> > > > well

> >> > > > > > as

> >> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being

aspected by

> >> > > > > > pluto,

> >> > > > > > > >>> then

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we

see

> >> > > > that

> >> > > > > > when

> >> > > > > > > >>> these

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a

> >> > > > > > considerable

> >> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it

is

> >> > > > not

> >> > > > > > having

> >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in

this

> >> > > > case,

> >> > > > > > pluto

> >> > > > > > > >>> is not

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results.

Though,

> >> > > > > > Sunilji

> >> > > > > > > >>> has

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As

I had

> >> > > > an

> >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I

delighted

> >> > > > with

> >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto

to

> >> > > > 7th

> >> > > > > > cusp.

> >> > > > > > > >>> So not

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another

> >> > > > reasons

> >> > > > > > which

> >> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The

> >> > > > SCientific

> >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a,

India

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 ........7CSL

Sat

> >> > > > aspects

> >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage

question

> >> > > > of

> >> > > > > > DBA

> >> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of Sunil

ji's

> >> > > > > > principle

> >> > > > > > > >>> is even

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect

Pluto

> >> > > > the

> >> > > > > > > >>> result is

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In

message #

> >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage

also Mr.

> >> > > > > > Sunil

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of neptune is

not yet

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... ......... .......but

pluto

> >> > > > gives

> >> > > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3.

Agreed.4. When

> >> > > > we

> >> > > > > > say

> >> > > > > > > >>> that

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This

is

> >> > > > based

> >> > > > > > on

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto

has

> >> > > > negative

> >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of

cases

> >> > > > > > should be

> >> > > > > > > >>> studied

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets

such

> >> > > > as

> >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto,

Neptune,

> >> > > > > > Uranus

> >> > > > > > > >>> which have

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the

effects.

> >> > > > This

> >> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by

> >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,

> >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on

financials

> >> > > > -

> >> > > > > > View

> >> > > > > > > >>> from

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA

or star

> >> > > > > > lord

> >> > > > > > > >>> theory

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny

marriage.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

16123

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to

deny

> >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

16114

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the

house

> >> > > > > > (there

> >> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no

marriage

> >> > > > > > instead

> >> > > > > > > >>> of

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give

marriage.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

14157

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether

Sunil ji

> >> > > > has

> >> > > > > > > >>> found any

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations

of

> >> > > > Pluto

> >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not

found

> >> > > > in KP

> >> > > > > > or

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a

small

> >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind

of idea

> >> > > > is

> >> > > > > > not

> >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare

wrote:

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation.

This

> >> > > > > > confirms

> >> > > > > > > >>> that

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects

of DBAS

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View

from

> >> > > > > > Sunilji

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> >> > > > 16123

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> >> > > > 16114

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> >> > > > 14157

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare

wrote:

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying

the

> >> > > > > > effects of

> >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be

more

> >> > > > > > appropriate

> >> > > > > > > >>> to

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation

rather than

> >> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248

years

> >> > > > to

> >> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses

each

> >> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9

out of

> >> > > > 27

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for

analyzing

> >> > > > its

> >> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009

Honorable

> >> > > > TW ji

> >> > > > > > > >>> says

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu

God

> >> > > > Shiva,

> >> > > > > > the

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to

bring

> >> > > > deep

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step

is

> >> > > > > > destruction

> >> > > > > > > >>> of

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page

477). "

> >> > > > > > This

> >> > > > > > > >>> shows

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and

Neptune

> >> > > > are

> >> > > > > > not

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has

experienced

> >> > > > such

> >> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on

> >> > > > Pluto's

> >> > > > > > (or

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is

no

> >> > > > research

> >> > > > > > > >>> data

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in

Vimshottari

> >> > > > Dasha

> >> > > > > > > >>> System..

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is

> >> > > > conjunction

> >> > > > > > or

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within

prescribed

> >> > > > orb). I

> >> > > > > > > >>> would

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept

is

> >> > > > correct

> >> > > > > > or

> >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that

he has

> >> > > > > > come

> >> > > > > > > >>> across

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my

services

> >> > > > for

> >> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials -

View

> >> > > > from

> >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic.

(KPE-zine Aug

> >> > > > > > 2009)

> >> > > > > > > >>> Western

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green,

his

> >> > > > > > daughter

> >> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa

Yogananda,

> >> > > > Pluto

> >> > > > > > is

> >> > > > > > > >>> known as

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart.

Jeffrey

> >> > > > Green

> >> > > > > > > >>> said that

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the

mystery

> >> > > > of

> >> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A

positive

> >> > > > > > side of

> >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian

> >> > > > > > profession is

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on

Astrology,

> >> > > > page

> >> > > > > > 46)

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise

appearance of

> >> > > > > > Pluto

> >> > > > > > > >>> and

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of

AstroDatabank 4.0

> >> > > > are

> >> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=)

8%. The

> >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different

from

> >> > > > the

> >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise

> >> > > > > > appearance is

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2,

7 and

> >> > > > 8

> >> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to

be the

> >> > > > > > cause

> >> > > > > > > >>> of no

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8

houses.

> >> > > > Hence

> >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere

appearance

> >> > > > in

> >> > > > > > the

> >> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and

Relationships

> >> > > > or

> >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is

not

> >> > > > wholly

> >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and

astrological

> >> > > > > > aspects.

> >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points

specific

> >> > > > > > procedure

> >> > > > > > > >>> followed

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is

supposed to

> >> > > > > > magnify

> >> > > > > > > >>> the

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of

that

> >> > > > planet

> >> > > > > > > >>> always for

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn

connection

> >> > > > > > carries

> >> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success

and

> >> > > > > > wealth.

> >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic

or

> >> > > > benefic.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates

power

> >> > > > > > struggle

> >> > > > > > > >>> between

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible

undesirable

> >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in

the

> >> > > > 7th is

> >> > > > > > not

> >> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma

to

> >> > > > > > relinquish

> >> > > > > > > >>> them

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of

the AA

> >> > > > > > charts

> >> > > > > > > >>> also

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of

no

> >> > > > > > marriage.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore

undesirable to

> >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's

adverse

> >> > > > > > effects,

> >> > > > > > > >>> which

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum

of one

> >> > > > > > hundred

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by

Judith

> >> > > > Hill

> >> > > > > > in

> >> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman

wrote:

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this

> >> > > > horoscope

> >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a

couple of

> >> > > > > > write

> >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue

)on

> >> > > > effect

> >> > > > > > of

> >> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve

effects . I

> >> > > > had

> >> > > > > > > >>> almost

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the

contents

> >> > > > from

> >> > > > > > his

> >> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto Effects "

the

> >> > > > extra

> >> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am

following

> >> > > > these

> >> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are

> >> > > > considered.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3

deg.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also

aspecting

> >> > > > Pluto

> >> > > > > > @4

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not

offering good

> >> > > > > > results

> >> > > > > > > >>> of

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about

pluto

> >> > > > effects

> >> > > > > > and

> >> > > > > > > >>> when

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue

and i

> >> > > > have

> >> > > > > > got

> >> > > > > > > >>> many

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of

7,8,9.

> >> > > > Out of

> >> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close

> >> > > > > > cojunction

> >> > > > > > > >>> with the

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the

lord of

> >> > > > 8.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no

planet in

> >> > > > its

> >> > > > > > > >>> star).

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further

> >> > > > Mercury

> >> > > > > > being

> >> > > > > > > >>> in

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of

6,10, the

> >> > > > 5(12

> >> > > > > > to

> >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not

favorable and

> >> > > > it

> >> > > > > > is

> >> > > > > > > >>> being

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its

star)

> >> > > > .

> >> > > > > > But

> >> > > > > > > >>> the

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad,

as it

> >> > > > may

> >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign

> >> > > > countries.

> >> > > > > > But

> >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman

> >> > > > amitbs2002@

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a

screen

> >> > > > shot in

> >> > > > > > the

> >> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i

prepare the

> >> > > > cusp

> >> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its

> >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance

> >> > > > ),11 & 10.

> >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession

but

> >> > > > also

> >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is

gaining he

> >> > > > will

> >> > > > > > > >>> also

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for

bad

> >> > > > > > economic

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that

it is

> >> > > > bad

> >> > > > > > .

> >> > > > > > > >>> We see

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.

> >> > > > > > signification

> >> > > > > > > >>> are

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=

> >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that

10th

> >> > > > sub

> >> > > > > > > >>> should

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11

are

> >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this

> >> > > > time,usingK. P.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as

Saturn...earlier

> >> > > > > > your

> >> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord

of II

> >> > > > as

> >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the

sublord

> >> > > > and

> >> > > > > > the

> >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's

starlord and

> >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for

this

> >> > > > > > TOB...you

> >> > > > > > > >>> will

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a

> >> > > > horoscope

> >> > > > > > of a

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a

couple of

> >> > > > > > issues

> >> > > > > > > >>> . I

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life.

When

> >> > > > i

> >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was

100%

> >> > > > > > wrong on

> >> > > > > > > >>> the

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find

any

> >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can

point out

> >> > > > how

> >> > > > > > he

> >> > > > > > > >>> is

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What

are the

> >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Bohra,

 

My personal experience is that Venus as 5th house cusp lord makes sense to me.

because I do not have kids, and Venus is the badhaka lord for the 5th house as

Cancer sign falls in 5th house. I had more love affairs in Venus and Moon's

bhuktis and antharas. But it is hard to say. What are other member's thoughts.

 

Thanks

 

G. Singh

 

, " Sudan " <msbohra62 wrote:

>

> Dear G.Singh,

>

> With new BTR which i have posted,see the changes in 5 CSL Ve (Time 10:14:30)to

Sun (Time 10:15:05).

>

> How you feel this change have any remarkable changes in some result ?

>

> Thanks,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

>

>

>

> , " G " <hbk1hbk_2100@> wrote:

> >

> > The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth

time.

> >

> > G. Singh

> >

> > , " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> > >

> > > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very

interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically

by discussion in the forum.

> > >

> > > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> > > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> > >

> > > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and

seperation

> > > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by

lottery gain?)

> > > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money

> > > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;

> > > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate

relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting

schorlarship;

> > > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal

relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

> > >

> > > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

> > >

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > > TW

> > >

> > >

> > > , Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > >

> > > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > > >

> > > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and

late

> > > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from

Adith

> > > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her

> > > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for

some

> > > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by

Moon

> > > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's

email.

> > > > 2. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers

who

> > > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my

email

> > > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give

> > > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.

> > > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before

> > > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring

> > > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do

this

> > > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the

source as

> > > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an

> > > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always

remain

> > > > non-reliable.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is uploaded in

> > > > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really

> > > > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It

has

> > > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt

or opp

> > > > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP Reader III p

205 (Old

> > > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but

> > > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us

know to

> > > > > study in this regard.

> > > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th

and

> > > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the

result to

> > > > > the forum.

> > > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To

get a

> > > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma

Gandhi

> > > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar

> > > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King

of

> > > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any

native,

> > > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than

having a

> > > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa

of

> > > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart,

BV

> > > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his

grand

> > > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for

death.

> > > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation

and

> > > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of

partner's

> > > > > walking out.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > TW

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > > > >

> > > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > > > > http://logy.astrosage.com/punarphoo) in the chart under

> > > > > discussion,

> > > > > > only sign exchange.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is

> > > > > uploaded in

> > > > > > > the File section.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > TW

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > > Punit

> > > > >

> > > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. "

seems

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is

something

> > > > > quite

> > > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on

delaying

> > > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the

marriage

> > > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows

> > > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth

> > > > > details

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with

post-mortem

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said

point

> > > > > seems

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat

being

> > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > CSL

> > > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many

points

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat

sign

> > > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause

Punarpoo

> > > > > > > also. But

> > > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may

be

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz

# 1

> > > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Adith

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by

Sunil

> > > > > ji,

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love

> > > > > marriage/

> > > > > > > happy

> > > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.

> > > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts

who

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period.

> > > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> > > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of

thinking

> > > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.

> > > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto

> > > > > > > > >>> is not considered...also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is

more

> > > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of

> > > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when

> > > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives

> > > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>>

<%40><%

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > > 40>, " adith

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is

lord

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > 12 is

> > > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet

in 6)

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > sat

> > > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star

level

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again

in

> > > > > > > Jupiter (

> > > > > > > > >>> R)

> > > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by

sublord

> > > > > > > present,

> > > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the

> > > > > marraige

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few

cases

> > > > > > > study,

> > > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in

many

> > > > > cases.

> > > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's

star*

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's

study

> > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > >>> which I

> > > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe

analysis.

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with

Rahu.

> > > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts

> > > > > crossed

> > > > > > > 11th

> > > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so

strongly

> > > > > > > signfies

> > > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11

posited

> > > > > in 11

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > >>> its

> > > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of

Jupiter (as

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the

> > > > > > > signfications

> > > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the

lord

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > 5

> > > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she

got

> > > > > married

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a

happy

> > > > > marital

> > > > > > > > >>> life

> > > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar

<sunilalaka@

> > > > > > > >wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many

> > > > > experieced

> > > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM;Aurangabad,19N53,75E20

> > > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune...Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects

Neptune

> > > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the

native..

> > > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no

> > > > > stability

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > >>> job

> > > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the

dasa

> > > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still

unmarried.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star..

again a

> > > > > > > Neptune

> > > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> > > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL

> > > > > signifies

> > > > > > > any of

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this

7CSL

> > > > > > > (which

> > > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is

connected

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have

some

> > > > > effect

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What

I

> > > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as

> > > > > experienced

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > >>> him in

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not

be

> > > > > > > promised

> > > > > > > > >>> due to

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and

get

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > > >>> personal

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even

now.

> > > > > He

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > >>> given many

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine

" Nakshatrache

> > > > > > > Dene "

> > > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those

> > > > > articles.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in

archive.

> > > > > If

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > >>> can

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of

> > > > > marriage I

> > > > > > > > >>> will be

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------------------------

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_vijayanand@>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* <%

> > > > > 40><%

> > > > >

> > > > > > > 40>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@; guide_vijayanand@

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials

-

> > > > > View

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord

shani

> > > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other

planet,

> > > > > > > aspected

> > > > > > > > >>> planet

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if

7csl is

> > > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then

> > > > > aspected

> > > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary

as

> > > > > well

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being

aspected by

> > > > > > > pluto,

> > > > > > > > >>> then

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we

see

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > >>> these

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a

> > > > > > > considerable

> > > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it

is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > having

> > > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this

> > > > > case,

> > > > > > > pluto

> > > > > > > > >>> is not

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results.

Though,

> > > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > > > >>> has

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As

I had

> > > > > an

> > > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I

delighted

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto

to

> > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > cusp.

> > > > > > > > >>> So not

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another

> > > > > reasons

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The

> > > > > SCientific

> > > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtra,

India

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+91 9673746303

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_vijayanand@

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astroguide@

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 .......7CSL

Sat

> > > > > aspects

> > > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage

question

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > DBA

> > > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise.My understanding of Sunil

ji's

> > > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > >>> is even

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect

Pluto

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>> result is

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In

message #

> > > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage

also Mr.

> > > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of neptune is not

yet

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed.....................................but pluto

> > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4.

When

> > > > > we

> > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This

is

> > > > > based

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has

> > > > > negative

> > > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of

cases

> > > > > > > should be

> > > > > > > > >>> studied

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets

such

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto,

Neptune,

> > > > > > > Uranus

> > > > > > > > >>> which have

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the

effects.

> > > > > This

> > > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by

> > > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on

financials

> > > > > -

> > > > > > > View

> > > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or

star

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > >>> theory

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny

marriage.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

16123

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to

deny

> > > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

16114

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the

house

> > > > > > > (there

> > > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no

marriage

> > > > > > > instead

> > > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give

marriage.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

14157

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether

Sunil ji

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > >>> found any

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of

> > > > > Pluto

> > > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not

found

> > > > > in KP

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a

small

> > > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of

idea

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare

wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation.

This

> > > > > > > confirms

> > > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of

DBAS

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View

from

> > > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > > 16123

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > > 16114

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > > 14157

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare

wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying

the

> > > > > > > effects of

> > > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more

> > > > > > > appropriate

> > > > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather

than

> > > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248

years

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses

each

> > > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out

of

> > > > > 27

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for

analyzing

> > > > > its

> > > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009

Honorable

> > > > > TW ji

> > > > > > > > >>> says

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu

God

> > > > > Shiva,

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to

bring

> > > > > deep

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is

> > > > > > > destruction

> > > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page

477). "

> > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > >>> shows

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and

Neptune

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has

experienced

> > > > > such

> > > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on

> > > > > Pluto's

> > > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no

> > > > > research

> > > > > > > > >>> data

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> available. Further

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in

Vimshottari

> > > > > Dasha

> > > > > > > > >>> System.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is

> > > > > conjunction

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within

prescribed

> > > > > orb). I

> > > > > > > > >>> would

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept

is

> > > > > correct

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that

he has

> > > > > > > come

> > > > > > > > >>> across

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my

services

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials -

View

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine

Aug

> > > > > > > 2009)

> > > > > > > > >>> Western

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green,

his

> > > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa

Yogananda,

> > > > > Pluto

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >>> known as

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart.

Jeffrey

> > > > > Green

> > > > > > > > >>> said that

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the

mystery

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A

positive

> > > > > > > side of

> > > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian

> > > > > > > profession is

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on

Astrology,

> > > > > page

> > > > > > > 46)

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise

appearance of

> > > > > > > Pluto

> > > > > > > > >>> and

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank

4.0

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H.. Ne.. Pl

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=)

8%. The

> > > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different

from

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise

> > > > > > > appearance is

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2,

7 and

> > > > > 8

> > > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to

be the

> > > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > >>> of no

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8

houses.

> > > > > Hence

> > > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere

appearance

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and

Relationships

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is

not

> > > > > wholly

> > > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and

astrological

> > > > > > > aspects.

> > > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points

specific

> > > > > > > procedure

> > > > > > > > >>> followed

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is

supposed to

> > > > > > > magnify

> > > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of

that

> > > > > planet

> > > > > > > > >>> always for

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn

connection

> > > > > > > carries

> > > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success

and

> > > > > > > wealth.

> > > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or

> > > > > benefic.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates

power

> > > > > > > struggle

> > > > > > > > >>> between

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible

undesirable

> > > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in

the

> > > > > 7th is

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma

to

> > > > > > > relinquish

> > > > > > > > >>> them

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of

the AA

> > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no

> > > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore

undesirable to

> > > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's

adverse

> > > > > > > effects,

> > > > > > > > >>> which

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum

of one

> > > > > > > hundred

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by

Judith

> > > > > Hill

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman

wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this

> > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a

couple of

> > > > > > > write

> > > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue

)on

> > > > > effect

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects

.. I

> > > > > had

> > > > > > > > >>> almost

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the

contents

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto Effects "

the

> > > > > extra

> > > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am

following

> > > > > these

> > > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are

> > > > > considered.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3

deg.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also

aspecting

> > > > > Pluto

> > > > > > > @4

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering

good

> > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto

> > > > > effects

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >>> when

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and

i

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > >>> many

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of

7,8,9.

> > > > > Out of

> > > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close

> > > > > > > cojunction

> > > > > > > > >>> with the

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord

of

> > > > > 8.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no

planet in

> > > > > its

> > > > > > > > >>> star).

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further

> > > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > >>> in

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10,

the

> > > > > 5(12

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not

favorable and

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >>> being

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its

star)

> > > > > .

> > > > > > > But

> > > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad,

as it

> > > > > may

> > > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign

> > > > > countries.

> > > > > > > But

> > > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman

> > > > > amitbs2002@

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a

screen

> > > > > shot in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare

the

> > > > > cusp

> > > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its

> > > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance

> > > > > ),11 & 10.

> > > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession

but

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is

gaining he

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for

bad

> > > > > > > economic

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that

it is

> > > > > bad

> > > > > > > .

> > > > > > > > >>> We see

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.

> > > > > > > signification

> > > > > > > > >>> are

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=

> > > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that

10th

> > > > > sub

> > > > > > > > >>> should

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11

are

> > > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this

> > > > > time,usingK. P.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as

Saturn...earlier

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of

II

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the

sublord

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's

starlord and

> > > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for

this

> > > > > > > TOB...you

> > > > > > > > >>> will

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a

> > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a

couple of

> > > > > > > issues

> > > > > > > > >>> . I

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life.

When

> > > > > i

> > > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was

100%

> > > > > > > wrong on

> > > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find

any

> > > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can

point out

> > > > > how

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What

are the

> > > > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

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Respected sir, In the example which cited in the mail regarding accidental cut, and the ruling planets at that time,how X th house is connected, with regard to an injury.kindly enlighten us.with regards,S.Ravi Shankar--- On Mon, 5/10/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmiRe: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar Cc: "K.P.Naidu" <konathalanMonday, 5 October, 2009, 1:58 PM

 

 

Dear Mr.Naidu,

One definitely can find out the exact Time of Birth in atleast 85 to 90% of cases by using the methods described in the excellent book "Astrosecrets & K.P." Part II,kindly peruse the chapters Ascendant(Lagna) ,Lagna determination, A method to set a correct Lagna using K.P.,Birth Time Verification. , by the late Shri M.P.Shanmugham and edited by Mr.K.Subramaniam. ..

Pl. try them out and then form an opinion...(only a lawyer can make the statement like the one you've made...surely not a K.P. Astrologer).

Even so,there are methods available in K.P., to rectify a given Birth Time...and if one has a well-developed intuitive power,his success-rate can increase further... !

Allow me to give you an example of the accuracy of K.P.,and through this also one can correct his TOB to the exact one...note the exact time whenever one gets an accidental cut and it bleeds,the RPs at the time will be reflecting the sublords of the IVth,VIth & Xth houses...Also it has been proved by K.P. Scholars sny number of times that accidents take place during the D/B/A/S periods of the significators of houses IV,VIII & XII...! !

Why don't you test this out whenever you get a minor cut and blood oozes oit...note the time and at your leisure calculate the RPs at that time...you will be more than surprised...

If one works with a devoted mind one can achieve an enviable success-rate. ..with K.P. Horary or Natal...

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar@gro ups.comMonday, October 5, 2009, 4:32 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear sri Yogesh Ji,PROVED CORRECT means what may kindly be clarified.Correct Time of Birth is not known to many, because by the time is recorded whether it is 1st or 2nd or 3rd breath who knows ? God only knows correct Birth Time. Whether the rectified Birth Time tallies all the past life events of the native, as per KP rules?Thanks & Regards,Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Sun, 4/10/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar@gro ups.comCc: "tw853" <tw853 >Sunday, 4 October, 2009, 10:12 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear TW,

I am pleased to inform you that the TOB rectified by me was confirmed by Mr. Gurmeet Singh...10-14-30 AM. IST at Ludhiana...

I have sent many a BTRs through this site...ALL of them have proved correct,except perhaps a single exception...

Yogesh Lajmi.

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, TW <tw853 > wrote:

TW <tw853 > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar@gro ups.comSunday, October 4, 2009, 1:40 PM

Dear BTR practising Friends,1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect 3. Major events are as given under.1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?) 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third

time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.Thanks and regards,TW @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Tw ji,> > Please note my views on each mentioned point -> > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear.. Early marriage and late> marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith> ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her> place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some> of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon> and Mercury. I got the answer what I was

looking for from Adith ji's email.> 2. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who> do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.> 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email> only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.> 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give> early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.> 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before> proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring> disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this> by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as> well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an> astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always

remain> non-reliable.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> >> > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in> > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really> > delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has> > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp> > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old> > Edition Practical Part p 49.> > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but> > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to> > study in this

regard.> > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and> > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to> > the forum.> > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a> > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi> > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar> > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of> > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied..> > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,> > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a> > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of> > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart,

BV> > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand> > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.> > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and> > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's> > walking out.> >> > Thanks and regards,> > TW> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > >> > > Thanks Tw ji..I> > >> > > These are the points we are discussing -> > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn> > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th> > > 3. Technically there is

no

Punarphoo (> > > http://logy. . astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under> > discussion,> > > only sign exchange.> > >> > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > > >> > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is> > uploaded in> > > > the File section.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > TW> > > >> > > >

@gro ups.com <% 40. com>,> > Punit> >> > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Adith ji,> > > > >> > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems> > very> > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something> > quite> > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying> > > > nature> > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage> > > > delay.> > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows> > > >

>

possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth> > details> > > > have> > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem> > and> > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <> > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji.> > > > > >> > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.> > > > > >> > > > >

> But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point> > seems> > > > to> > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being> > 7th> > > > CSL> > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points> > have> > > > to> > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign> > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo> > > > also. But> > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be> > we> > > > have to> > > > > > study the other factors also.> > > > > >> > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our

Quiz # 1> > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery)..> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Adith> > > > > >> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil> > ji,> > > > I> > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love> > marriage/> > > > happy> > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.> > > > > >>> > > > > >>

Thanks & Regards,> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Punit Pandey> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> dear adith,> > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.> > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify> > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.> > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who> > are> > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period.> > > > > >>> retro planets

effects are taken in horary and not in> > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking> > > > > >>> is not as per kp.> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage> > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.> > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto> > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more> > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of> > > > > >>> pluto effect.> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when> > > > > >>> 7th

sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives> > > > > >>> a early marriage?> > > > > >>> thanks> > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%> >> >> > > > 40. com>, "adith> > > >> > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > In the chart given by

you, as

all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord> > of> > > > 12 is> > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)> > and> > > > sat> > > > > >>> is> > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level> > is> > > > > >>> detrimental> > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in> > > > Jupiter (> > > > > >>> R)> > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord> > > > present,> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the> > marraige> > >

> is> > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases> > > > study,> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many> > cases.> > > > > >>> Moreover> > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*> > which> > > > > >>> also> > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study> > charts> > > > > >>> which I> > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*> > >

> > >>> > Female:> > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977> > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM> > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,> > > > > >>> > 11n42> > > > > >>> > 77e53> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.> > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts> > crossed> > > > 11th> > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly> > > > signfies> > > > > >>>

6.*> > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited> > in 11> > > > in> > > > > >>> its> > > > > >>> > own sign.> > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.> > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as> > > > your> > > > > >>> case)*> > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto> > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the> > > > signfications> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>>

> 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord> > of> > > > 5> > > > > >>> Jupietr> > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got> > married> > > > to> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy> > marital> > > > > >>> life> > > > > >>> > with children..> > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > Regards> > > > > >>> > Adith> >

> > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@> > > > >wrote:> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,> > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many> > experieced> > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.> > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are> > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20> > > > >

>>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ...Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012> > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..> > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no> > stability> > > > in> > > > > >>> job> > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa> > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.> > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a> > > > Neptune> > > > > >>> > > Pluto

effect.> > > > > >>> > > thanks> > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <> > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL> > signifies> > > > any of> > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL> > > >

(which> > > > > >>> is Shani> > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected> > with> > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some> > effect> > > > on> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I> > > > understood> > > > > >>> from> > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as> > experienced> > > > by> > > > > >>> him in> > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be> > >

> promised> > > > > >>> due to> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get> > his> > > > > >>> personal> > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.> > He> > > > has> > > > > >>> given many> > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache> > > > Dene"> > > > > >>> edited and> > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those> > articles.> > > >

> >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.> > If> > > > you> > > > > >>> can> > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of> > marriage I> > > > > >>> will be> > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Regards> > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >> > > > >

>>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%> > 40. com><k_p_ system%> >> > > > 40. com>> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM> > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -> > View> > > > from> > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,> > > > > >>> > >> As is known from

your

post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani> > > > aspects> > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,> > > > aspected> > > > > >>> planet> > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is> > > > > >>> sigifying> > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then> > aspected> > > > > >>> planet will> > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as> > well> > > > as> > > > > >>> secondary> > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8

being aspected by> > > > pluto,> > > > > >>> then> > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see> > that> > > > when> > > > > >>> these> > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a> > > > considerable> > > > > >>> time. As> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is> > not> > > > having> > > > > >>> DBAs,> > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this> > case,> > > > pluto> > > > > >>> is not> > > > > >>> > >>

supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,> > > > Sunilji> > > > > >>> has> > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had> > an> > > > > >>> occasion to> > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted> > with> > > > > >>> theknowledge> > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to> > 7th> > > > cusp.> > > > > >>> So not> > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another> > reasons> > > > which> > > > > >>> we canot> > > > > >>>

> >> identify now..> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> With regards.> > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The> > SCientific> > > > > >>> Socy.for> > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India> > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@> > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@> > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote> > > > > >>> > >> >> > >

> > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 .......7CSL Sat> > aspects> > > > > >>> Pluto to> > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question> > of> > > > DBA> > > > > >>> orstar> > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise.My understanding of Sunil ji's> > > > principle> > > > > >>> is even> > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto> > the> > > > > >>> result is> > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In

message #> > > > > >>> 14157.....It was> > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr.> > > > Sunil> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet> > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... .......... .......... ......... .......but pluto> > gives> > > > > >>> negation"2. I> > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When> > we> > > > say> > > > > >>> that> > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is> > based> > > > on> > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it

was observed that Pluto has> > negative> > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases> > > > should be> > > > > >>> studied> > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such> > as> > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can> > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,> > > > Uranus> > > > > >>> which have> > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.> > This> > > > > >>> idea may> > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved

by> > > > > >>> research.Subhash> > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials> > -> > > > View> > > > > >>> from> > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >

>>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star> > > > lord> > > > > >>> theory> > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.> > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123> > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny> > > > > >>> marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114> > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house> > > > (there> > > > > >>> 11th> > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage> > > > instead> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.> > > > > >>> >

>> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji> > has> > > > > >>> found any> > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of> > Pluto> > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found> > in KP> > > > or> > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone

kindly explain the

rationale of such a small> > > > > >>> satellite can> > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea> > is> > > > not> > > > > >>> in KP.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,> > > > > >>> > >> TW> > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups..com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This> > > > confirms> > > > >

>>> that> > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS> > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > TW> > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM> > > > > >>> > >> > Subject:

Re: Query on financials - View from> > > > Sunilji> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > 16123> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > 16114> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > 14157> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> >

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@gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the> > > > effects of> > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > >>> > >> also> > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more> > > > appropriate> > > > > >>> to> > > > > >>> > >> study> > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than> > > > > >>> studying its>

> > > > >>> > >> appearance> > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years> > to> > > > > >>> complete one> > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each> > > > > >>> constellation> > > > > >>> > >> in about> > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of> > 27> > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore> > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data

for analyzing> > its> > > > > >>> effects.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable> > TW ji> > > > > >>> says> > > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God> > Shiva,> > > > the> > > > > >>> > >> creator and> > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring> > deep> > > > > >>> > >> transformation> > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is> > > > destruction> > > > > >>>

of> > > > > >>> > >> anything that> > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... . ......(Planets in Transit Page 477)."> > > > This> > > > > >>> shows> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's> > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune> > are> > > > not> > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.> > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced> > such> > > > > >>> effects in> > > > > >>> > >>

many> > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on> > Pluto's> > > > (or> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance> > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no> > research> > > > > >>> data> > > > > >>> > >> available. Further> > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari> > Dasha> > > > > >>> System.> > > > > >>> > >> Then how> > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is> > conjunction> > > > or> > > > > >>> >

>> aspects of the DBAS> > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed> > orb). I> > > > > >>> would> > > > > >>> > >> like to request> > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is> > correct> > > > or> > > > > >>> wrong.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has> > > > come> > > > > >>> across> > > > > >>> > >> many such> > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted

I would like to offer my services> > for> > > > > >>> systematic> > > > > >>> > >> study and> > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > TW> > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro

ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM> > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View> > from> > > > > >>> Sunilji> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug> > > > 2009)> > > > > >>> Western> > > > > >>> > >> Experience> > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his> > > > daughter> > > > > >>>

Deva> > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,> > Pluto> > > > is> > > > > >>> known as> > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey> > Green> > > > > >>> said that> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery> > of> > > > > >>> soul,> > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive> > > > side of> > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian> > > > profession is> > > > > >>> >

>> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,> > page> > > > 46)> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts> > > > > >>> > >> > > 14.. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of> > > > Pluto> > > > > >>> and> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0> > are> > > > > >>> checked and> > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.> > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses> > > > > >>> > >> > > H.. Ne.. Pl> > > > > >>> > >> > >

1.. 11.. 9> > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15> > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4> > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4> > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5> > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2> > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15> > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15> > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9> > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8> > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5> > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >

15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The> > > > > >>> house-wise> > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from> > the> > > > > >>> average of 8%,> > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise> > > > appearance is> > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and> > 8> > > > > >>> houses by> > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the> > > > cause> > > > > >>> of no> > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.> > Hence> > >

> > >>> Pluto or> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance> > in> > > > the> > > > > >>> 7th> > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings> > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships> > or> > > > > >>> Synastry> > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not> > wholly> > > > > >>> malefic or> > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological> > > >

aspects.> > > > > >>> Rahu and> > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific> > > > procedure> > > > > >>> followed> > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to> > > > magnify> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that> > planet> > > > > >>> always for> > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection> > > > carries> > > > > >>> heavy> > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and> > > >

wealth.> > > > > >>> (Noel> > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or> > benefic.> > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power> > > > struggle> > > > > >>> between> > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable> > > > > >>> consequences, but> > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the> > 7th is> > > > not> > > > > >>> doomed> > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to> > > > relinquish> > > > > >>> them>

> > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA> > > > charts> > > > > >>> also> > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no> > > > marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to> > > > > >>> senselessly> > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse> > > > effects,> > > > > >>> which> > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one> > > > hundred> > > > > >>> > >>

carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith> > Hill> > > > in> > > > > >>> Medical> > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58..> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this> > horoscope> > > > > >>> pointing to> > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto.

I also remember a couple of> > > > write> > > > > >>> ups( in a> > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on> > effect> > > > of> > > > > >>> aspects> > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I> > had> > > > > >>> almost> > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents> > from> > > > his> > > > > >>> mail(> > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as

below :> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto Effects" the> > extra> > > > > >>> planetary> > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following> > these> > > > > >>> planets and> > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are> > considered.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and

Jupiter also aspecting> > Pluto> > > > @4> > > > > >>> > >> degrees.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good> > > > results> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto> > effects> > > > and> > > > > >>> when> > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given

in my diwali 2008 issue and i> > have> > > > got> > > > > >>> many> > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...> > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43

AM> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.> > Out of> > > > > >>> these 8> > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close> > > > cojunction> > > > > >>> with the> > > > > >>> > >> Badaka

Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of> > 8.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in> > its> > > > > >>> star).> > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further> > Mercury> > > > being> > > > > >>> in> > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the> > 5(12> > > > to> > > > > >>> 6) ,8> >

> > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and> > it> > > > is> > > > > >>> being> > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)> > .> > > > But> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it> > may> > > > > >>> signfy the> > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign> > countries.> > > > But> > > > > >>> 5,8,12> > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > >

>>> > >> > > > Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman> > amitbs2002@> > > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,> > > >

> >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen> > shot in> > > > the> > > > > >>> .doc> > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the> > cusp> > > > > >>> chart +> > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its> > > > > >>> significations per 4> > > > > >>> > >> step are :> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of

Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance> > ),11 & 10.> > > > > >>> Though 8> > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but> > also> > > > > >>> shows gain> > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5

shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he> > will> > > > > >>> also> > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad> > > > economic> > > > > >>> > >> situation?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is> > bad> > > > .> > > > > >>> We see> > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.> > > > signification> > > > > >>> are> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

>Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=> > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,> > > > > >>> 5 + 6> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th> > sub> > > > > >>> should> > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are> > > > > >>>

signified. Then> > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit

Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST..> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this> > time,usingK. P.> > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier> > > > your> > > > > >>> analysis>

> > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II> > as> > > > > >>> Jupiter...> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord> > and> > > > the> > > > > >>> sub-sub> > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and> > > > > >>> sub-lord> > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr..Soman please erect the Birth chart for this> > > > TOB...you> > > > > >>> will> > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....> > > > > >>> >

>> > > > > With the very best wishes,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > >

>>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a> > horoscope> > > > of a> > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of> > > > issues> > > > > >>> . I> > >

> > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When> > i> > > > > >>> discussed this> > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%> > > > wrong on> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any> > > > > >>> satisfactory KP> > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out> > how> > > > he> > > > > >>> is> > > > > >>> > >> doing financially (

say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the> > > > > >>> prospects for> > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >

>>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> >

>>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> <> > >

> > >>>> > > >> > http://sigads. rediff.com/ RealMedia/ ads/click_ nx.ads/www. rediffmail. com/signaturelin e.htm@Middle> > ?> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > --> > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar> > > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask. com> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>>

>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

 

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Dear Friends,

1. As demonstrated many times, any commonly used SW like AstroSage or MyKundli,

JHora, KPStarOne, Astraura etc generally provides more or less the same output

up to the sub level, which is used in the KP analysis, except in the border line

case.

2. If the SW is not incorporated with the KP New Ayanamsa (KPNA), an easy and

sure way is to get the KPNA from the following link as per courtesy of Panit ji:

www.astrosage.com

then to--

KP System

KP System Home

and there is

KP New Ayanamsa Calculator

For the DOB 03-02-1962, the KPNA is 023-14-14.

Only one second difference from 23-14-15 doesn't matter at all.

3. What matters is to directly enter this KPNA before calculation as far as

possible to get the accurate output. In JHora 3.3, go to the preference option

--> Ayanamsa --> Tropical and there enter 23-14-15 as addition to tropical. [it

is much easier than going to the preference option --> Ayanamsa --> KP Ayanamsa,

then adjusting the KPA 23-13-51.48 to KPNA 23-14-15 by adding the difference of

these two ayanamsa values (23-14-15 minus 23-13-51.48=) 23.52 seconds.] In the

free Astraura, it is to calculate by the given KPA, and after that to adjust the

output by the difference of two ayanamsa values. With a small amount of

donation, in the extended version of Astraura the KPNA can be directly entered.

4. The AstroSage or MyKundli, the KPStarOne, KPAstro 3.5, JDeepika, and Smart

Horary (KP) Astrology etc are ncorporated with the KPNA.

Regards,

TW

 

 

 

, " Sudan " <msbohra62 wrote:

>

> Dear Amit ji,

>

> If we ,in setting of Jhora,add 23.5188 Seconds to KPA of JHora it will give as

NKPA,you can try it.Where in the forum Tiwinji have compared some software and

JHora is giving perfectly result.

>

> Once we clear the doubts than we can use confidently any software.

>

> Thanks,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> , Amit Soman <amitbs2002@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bohraji

> >

> > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali. This

worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW & they

are as good as anbody in the group.

> >

> > Regards

> > Amit

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@>

> >

> > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM

> > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> >

> >  

> > Dear Sudan,

> >                  I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa

used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s SW...for

best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New

Ayanamsa...

> >                  Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much

of a difference 

> >                  Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB

arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..

> >                  Yogesh Lajmi

> >

> > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> >

> >

> > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > >@gro ups.com

> > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

> > >

> > >

> > > 

> > >

> > >Dear G.Singh ji,

> > >

> > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-

> > >

> > > " Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord

of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively.

...! "

> > >

> > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant ,is

10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?

> > >

> > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa

> > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa

> > >

> > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.

> > >

> > >Thanks,

> > >

> > >M.S.Bohra

> > >

> > >@gro ups.com, " G " <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:

> > >>

> > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth

time.

> > >>

> > >> G. Singh

> > >>

> > >> @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > >> >

> > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> > >> >

> > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very

interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically

by discussion in the forum.

> > >> >

> > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> > >> >

> > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and

seperation

> > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by

lottery gain?)

> > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big

money

> > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary

gain;

> > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate

relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting

schorlarship;

> > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of

illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

> > >> >

> > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

> > >> >

> > >> > Thanks and regards,

> > >> > TW

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > >> > >

> > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage

and late

> > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from

Adith

> > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In

her

> > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true

for some

> > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by

Moon

> > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's

email.

> > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP

astrologers who

> > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring

my email

> > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that

give

> > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.

> > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details

before

> > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only

bring

> > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do

this

> > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the

source as

> > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an

> > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always

remain

> > >> > > non-reliable.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Punit Pandey

> > >> > >

> > >> > >

> > >> > >

> > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > >> > >

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is uploaded in

> > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not

really

> > >> > > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It

has

> > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj,

aspt or opp

> > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP Reader III p

205 (Old

> > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay

but

> > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let

us know to

> > >> > > > study in this regard.

> > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to

6th and

> > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the

result to

> > >> > > > the forum.

> > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To

get a

> > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma

Gandhi

> > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali

Zulflikar

> > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16),

King of

> > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any

native,

> > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than

having a

> > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the

dasa of

> > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the

chart, BV

> > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from

his grand

> > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter

for death.

> > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek

separation and

> > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of

partner's

> > >> > > > walking out.

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > >> > > > TW

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under

> > >> > > > discussion,

> > >> > > > > only sign exchange.

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is

> > >> > > > uploaded in

> > >> > > > > > the File section.

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Regards,

> > >> > > > > > TW

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40.

com>,

> > >> > > > Punit

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. "

seems

> > >> > > > very

> > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is

something

> > >> > > > quite

> > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on

delaying

> > >> > > > > > nature

> > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the

marriage

> > >> > > > > > delay.

> > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows

> > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the

birth

> > >> > > > details

> > >> > > > > > have

> > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with

post-mortem

> > >> > > > and

> > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said

point

> > >> > > > seems

> > >> > > > > > to

> > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat

being

> > >> > > > 7th

> > >> > > > > > CSL

> > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many

points

> > >> > > > have

> > >> > > > > > to

> > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in

sat sign

> > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause

Punarpoo

> > >> > > > > > also. But

> > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay.

may be

> > >> > > > we

> > >> > > > > > have to

> > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our

Quiz # 1

> > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > >> > > > > > > > Adith

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out

by Sunil

> > >> > > > ji,

> > >> > > > > > I

> > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/

love

> > >> > > > marriage/

> > >> > > > > > happy

> > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka

sunilalaka@wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many

charts who

> > >> > > > are

> > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..

> > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of

thinking

> > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on

pluto

> > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect

diff.is more

> > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question

of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives

> > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <%

40. com><k_p_ system%

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > 40. com>, " adith

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun

is lord

> > >> > > > of

> > >> > > > > > 12 is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no

planet in 6)

> > >> > > > and

> > >> > > > > > sat

> > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star

level

> > >> > > > is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is

again in

> > >> > > > > > Jupiter (

> > >> > > > > > > >>> R)

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by

sublord

> > >> > > > > > present,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10,

the

> > >> > > > marraige

> > >> > > > > > is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few

cases

> > >> > > > > > study,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in

many

> > >> > > > cases.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's

star*

> > >> > > > which

> > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's

study

> > >> > > > charts

> > >> > > > > > > >>> which I

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe

analysis.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with

Rahu.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just

9mts

> > >> > > > crossed

> > >> > > > > > 11th

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so

strongly

> > >> > > > > > signfies

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11

posited

> > >> > > > in 11

> > >> > > > > > in

> > >> > > > > > > >>> its

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of

Jupiter (as

> > >> > > > > > your

> > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present,

the

> > >> > > > > > signfications

> > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and

the lord

> > >> > > > of

> > >> > > > > > 5

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she

got

> > >> > > > married

> > >> > > > > > to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a

happy

> > >> > > > marital

> > >> > > > > > > >>> life

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar

<sunilalaka@

> > >> > > > > > >wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have

many

> > >> > > > experieced

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad,

19N53,75E20

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects

Neptune

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the

native..

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no

> > >> > > > stability

> > >> > > > > > in

> > >> > > > > > > >>> job

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during

the dasa

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still

unmarried.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star..

again a

> > >> > > > > > Neptune

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL

> > >> > > > signifies

> > >> > > > > > any of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However

this 7CSL

> > >> > > > > > (which

> > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is

connected

> > >> > > > with

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have

some

> > >> > > > effect

> > >> > > > > > on

> > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative).

What I

> > >> > > > > > understood

> > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as

> > >> > > > experienced

> > >> > > > > > by

> > >> > > > > > > >>> him in

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may

not be

> > >> > > > > > promised

> > >> > > > > > > >>> due to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am

wrong.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally

and get

> > >> > > > his

> > >> > > > > > > >>> personal

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same

even now.

> > >> > > > He

> > >> > > > > > has

> > >> > > > > > > >>> given many

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine

" Nakshatrache

> > >> > > > > > Dene "

> > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those

> > >> > > > articles.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in

archive.

> > >> > > > If

> > >> > > > > > you

> > >> > > > > > > >>> can

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization

of

> > >> > > > marriage I

> > >> > > > > > > >>> will be

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@

>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%

> > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > 40. com>

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on

financials -

> > >> > > > View

> > >> > > > > > from

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord

shani

> > >> > > > > > aspects

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other

planet,

> > >> > > > > > aspected

> > >> > > > > > > >>> planet

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if

7csl is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet

then

> > >> > > > aspected

> > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or

primary as

> > >> > > > well

> > >> > > > > > as

> > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being

aspected by

> > >> > > > > > pluto,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> then

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As

we see

> > >> > > > that

> > >> > > > > > when

> > >> > > > > > > >>> these

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to

a

> > >> > > > > > considerable

> > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as

it is

> > >> > > > not

> > >> > > > > > having

> > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in

this

> > >> > > > case,

> > >> > > > > > pluto

> > >> > > > > > > >>> is not

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results.

Though,

> > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > >> > > > > > > >>> has

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto,

As I had

> > >> > > > an

> > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I

delighted

> > >> > > > with

> > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of

pluto to

> > >> > > > 7th

> > >> > > > > > cusp.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> So not

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be

another

> > >> > > > reasons

> > >> > > > > > which

> > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision,

The

> > >> > > > SCientific

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr

a, India

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114

.........7CSL Sat

> > >> > > > aspects

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage

question

> > >> > > > of

> > >> > > > > > DBA

> > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of Sunil

ji's

> > >> > > > > > principle

> > >> > > > > > > >>> is even

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords

aspect Pluto

> > >> > > > the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> result is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In

message #

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage

also Mr.

> > >> > > > > > Sunil

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of neptune is

not yet

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... .........

........but pluto

> > >> > > > gives

> > >> > > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3.

Agreed.4. When

> > >> > > > we

> > >> > > > > > say

> > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale?

This is

> > >> > > > based

> > >> > > > > > on

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto

has

> > >> > > > negative

> > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of

cases

> > >> > > > > > should be

> > >> > > > > > > >>> studied

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow

planets such

> > >> > > > as

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto,

Neptune,

> > >> > > > > > Uranus

> > >> > > > > > > >>> which have

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the

effects.

> > >> > > > This

> > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by

> > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September

27,

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on

financials

> > >> > > > -

> > >> > > > > > View

> > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA

or star

> > >> > > > > > lord

> > >> > > > > > > >>> theory

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny

marriage.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

16123

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto

to deny

> > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

16114

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for

the house

> > >> > > > > > (there

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no

marriage

> > >> > > > > > instead

> > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give

marriage.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

14157

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether

Sunil ji

> > >> > > > has

> > >> > > > > > > >>> found any

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations

of

> > >> > > > Pluto

> > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not

found

> > >> > > > in KP

> > >> > > > > > or

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such

a small

> > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind

of idea

> > >> > > > is

> > >> > > > > > not

> > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare

wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation.

This

> > >> > > > > > confirms

> > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects

of DBAS

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials -

View from

> > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > >> > > > 16123

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > >> > > > 16114

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > >> > > > 14157

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare

wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While

studying the

> > >> > > > > > effects of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be

more

> > >> > > > > > appropriate

> > >> > > > > > > >>> to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation

rather than

> > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248

years

> > >> > > > to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it

traverses each

> > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9

out of

> > >> > > > 27

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for

analyzing

> > >> > > > its

> > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009

Honorable

> > >> > > > TW ji

> > >> > > > > > > >>> says

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu

God

> > >> > > > Shiva,

> > >> > > > > > the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins

to bring

> > >> > > > deep

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step

is

> > >> > > > > > destruction

> > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit

Page 477). "

> > >> > > > > > This

> > >> > > > > > > >>> shows

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and

Neptune

> > >> > > > are

> > >> > > > > > not

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has

experienced

> > >> > > > such

> > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based

on

> > >> > > > Pluto's

> > >> > > > > > (or

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is

no

> > >> > > > research

> > >> > > > > > > >>> data

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in

Vimshottari

> > >> > > > Dasha

> > >> > > > > > > >>> System..

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is

> > >> > > > conjunction

> > >> > > > > > or

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within

prescribed

> > >> > > > orb). I

> > >> > > > > > > >>> would

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my

concept is

> > >> > > > correct

> > >> > > > > > or

> > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji

that he has

> > >> > > > > > come

> > >> > > > > > > >>> across

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my

services

> > >> > > > for

> > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials -

View

> > >> > > > from

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic.

(KPE-zine Aug

> > >> > > > > > 2009)

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Western

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green,

his

> > >> > > > > > daughter

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa

Yogananda,

> > >> > > > Pluto

> > >> > > > > > is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> known as

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart.

Jeffrey

> > >> > > > Green

> > >> > > > > > > >>> said that

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the

mystery

> > >> > > > of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A

positive

> > >> > > > > > side of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common

Plutonian

> > >> > > > > > profession is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on

Astrology,

> > >> > > > page

> > >> > > > > > 46)

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise

appearance of

> > >> > > > > > Pluto

> > >> > > > > > > >>> and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of

AstroDatabank 4.0

> > >> > > > are

> > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=)

8%. The

> > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different

from

> > >> > > > the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the

house-wise

> > >> > > > > > appearance is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the

2, 7 and

> > >> > > > 8

> > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below

to be the

> > >> > > > > > cause

> > >> > > > > > > >>> of no

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8

houses.

> > >> > > > Hence

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere

appearance

> > >> > > > in

> > >> > > > > > the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and

Relationships

> > >> > > > or

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is

not

> > >> > > > wholly

> > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and

astrological

> > >> > > > > > aspects.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points

specific

> > >> > > > > > procedure

> > >> > > > > > > >>> followed

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is

supposed to

> > >> > > > > > magnify

> > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of

that

> > >> > > > planet

> > >> > > > > > > >>> always for

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn

connection

> > >> > > > > > carries

> > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides

success and

> > >> > > > > > wealth.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic

or

> > >> > > > benefic.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates

power

> > >> > > > > > struggle

> > >> > > > > > > >>> between

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible

undesirable

> > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune

in the

> > >> > > > 7th is

> > >> > > > > > not

> > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by

karma to

> > >> > > > > > relinquish

> > >> > > > > > > >>> them

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of

the AA

> > >> > > > > > charts

> > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of

no

> > >> > > > > > marriage.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore

undesirable to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's

adverse

> > >> > > > > > effects,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> which

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a

minimum of one

> > >> > > > > > hundred

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by

Judith

> > >> > > > Hill

> > >> > > > > > in

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman

wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this

> > >> > > > horoscope

> > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a

couple of

> > >> > > > > > write

> > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue

)on

> > >> > > > effect

> > >> > > > > > of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve

effects . I

> > >> > > > had

> > >> > > > > > > >>> almost

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the

contents

> > >> > > > from

> > >> > > > > > his

> > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto Effects "

the

> > >> > > > extra

> > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am

following

> > >> > > > these

> > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are

> > >> > > > considered.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within

3 deg.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also

aspecting

> > >> > > > Pluto

> > >> > > > > > @4

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not

offering good

> > >> > > > > > results

> > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about

pluto

> > >> > > > effects

> > >> > > > > > and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> when

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue

and i

> > >> > > > have

> > >> > > > > > got

> > >> > > > > > > >>> many

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of

7,8,9.

> > >> > > > Out of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in

close

> > >> > > > > > cojunction

> > >> > > > > > > >>> with the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the

lord of

> > >> > > > 8.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no

planet in

> > >> > > > its

> > >> > > > > > > >>> star).

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury.

Further

> > >> > > > Mercury

> > >> > > > > > being

> > >> > > > > > > >>> in

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of

6,10, the

> > >> > > > 5(12

> > >> > > > > > to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not

favorable and

> > >> > > > it

> > >> > > > > > is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> being

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in

its star)

> > >> > > > .

> > >> > > > > > But

> > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as

bad, as it

> > >> > > > may

> > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to

foreign

> > >> > > > countries.

> > >> > > > > > But

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman

> > >> > > > amitbs2002@

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included

below]

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a

screen

> > >> > > > shot in

> > >> > > > > > the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i

prepare the

> > >> > > > cusp

> > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa.

Its

> > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to

8-11-2014

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8(

inheritance

> > >> > > > ),11 & 10.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in

profession but

> > >> > > > also

> > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is

gaining he

> > >> > > > will

> > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason

for bad

> > >> > > > > > economic

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After

that it is

> > >> > > > bad

> > >> > > > > > .

> > >> > > > > > > >>> We see

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to

23-04-2012.

> > >> > > > > > signification

> > >> > > > > > > >>> are

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra

)=

> > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say

that 10th

> > >> > > > sub

> > >> > > > > > > >>> should

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find

6,10,11 are

> > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this

> > >> > > > time,usingK. P.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as

Saturn...earlier

> > >> > > > > > your

> > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord

of II

> > >> > > > as

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the

sublord

> > >> > > > and

> > >> > > > > > the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's

starlord and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart

for this

> > >> > > > > > TOB...you

> > >> > > > > > > >>> will

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on

a

> > >> > > > horoscope

> > >> > > > > > of a

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a

couple of

> > >> > > > > > issues

> > >> > > > > > > >>> . I

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his

life. When

> > >> > > > i

> > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i

was 100%

> > >> > > > > > wrong on

> > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find

any

> > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can

point out

> > >> > > > how

> > >> > > > > > he

> > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What

are the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

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Dear Bohraji

 

Its not always the same figure . I am pretty sure abouth this. The value varies between 21 & 23 secs, depends on what year you are looking for. Offcourse i am always matching the astrosage / Mykundali value.

 

Regards

Amit

 

 

 

Sudan <msbohra62 Sent: Mon, October 5, 2009 10:45:56 AM Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

Dear Amit ji,If we ,in setting of Jhora,add 23.5188 Seconds to KPA of JHora it will give as NKPA,you can try it.Where in the forum Tiwinji have compared some software and JHora is giving perfectly result.Once we clear the doubts than we can use confidently any software.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bohraji> > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali. This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW & they are as good as anbody in the group.> > Regards> Amit > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM> Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > Dear Sudan,> I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New Ayanamsa...> Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much of a difference > Mr.G.Singh has

himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..> Yogesh Lajmi> > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> >@gro ups.com> >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM> >> >> > > >> >Dear G.Singh ji,> >> >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-> >> >" Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively. ..!"> >> >I am getting your right

birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?> >> >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa> >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa> >> >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.> >> >Thanks,> >> >M.S.Bohra> >> >@gro ups.com, "G" <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:> >>> >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth time.> >> > >> G. Singh> >> > >> @gro ups.com, "TW" <tw853@> wrote:> >> >> >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,> >> > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.> >>

> > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:> >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect > >> > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.> >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation> >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?) > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money> >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;> >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;> >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009

(Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit > >> > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.> >> > > >> > Thanks and regards,> >> > TW > >> > > >> > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> >> > >> >> > > Dear Tw ji,> >> > > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -> >> > > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and late> >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith> >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her>

>> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some> >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon> >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.> >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who> >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.> >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email> >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.> >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give> >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.> >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before>

>> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring> >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this> >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as> >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an> >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always remain> >> > > non-reliable.> >> > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> >> > > > >> > > Punit Pandey> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:> >> > > > >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >

> > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> >> > > >> >> > > > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in> >> > > > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really> >> > > > delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has> >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp> >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old> >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.> >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but> >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to> >> > > > study in this regard.> >> > > > 3.

If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and> >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to> >> > > > the forum.> >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a> >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi> >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar> >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of> >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.> >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,> >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a> >> > >

> doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of> >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV> >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand> >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.> >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and> >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's> >> > > > walking out.> >> > > >> >> > > > Thanks and regards,> >> > > > TW> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@>

wrote:> >> > > > >> >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I> >> > > > >> >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -> >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn> >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th> >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (> >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under> >> > > > discussion,> >> > > > > only sign exchange.> >> > > > >> >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?> >> > > > >> >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> >> > > >

>> >> > > > > Punit Pandey> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is> >> > > > uploaded in> >> > > > > > the File section.> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > Regards,> >> > > > > > TW> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,>

>> > > > Punit> >> > > >> >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems> >> > > > very> >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something> >> > > > quite> >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying> >> > > > > > nature> >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage> >> > > > > > delay.> >> > > > > > > In

this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows> >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth> >> > > > details> >> > > > > > have> >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem> >> > > > and> >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <> >> > > > > >

> gkadithkasinath@ wrote:> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point> >> > > > seems> >> > > > > > to> >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being> >> > > > 7th> >> > > > > > CSL> >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many

points> >> > > > have> >> > > > > > to> >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign> >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo> >> > > > > > also. But> >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be> >> > > > we> >> > > > > > have to> >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1> >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).> >> > > > > > >

>> >> > > > > > > > Regards> >> > > > > > > > Adith> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil> >> > > > ji,> >> > > > > > I> >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love> >> > > > marriage/> >> > >

> > > happy> >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,> >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.> >>

> > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify> >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.> >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who> >> > > > are> >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..> >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in> >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking> >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.> >> > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage> >> >

> > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.> >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto> >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more> >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of> >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.> >> > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when> >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives> >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?> >> > > > > > > >>>

thanks> >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar> >> > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > 40. com>, "adith> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL

Sun is lord> >> > > > of> >> > > > > > 12 is> >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)> >> > > > and> >> > > > > > sat> >> > > > > > > >>> is> >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level> >> > > > is> >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental> >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in> >> > > > > > Jupiter (> >> > > > > > > >>> R)> >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by

sublord> >> > > > > > present,> >> > > > > > > >>> the> >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the> >> > > > marraige> >> > > > > > is> >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases> >> > > > > > study,> >> > > > > > > >>> the> >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many> >> > > > cases.> >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover> >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*> >> > > >

which> >> > > > > > > >>> also> >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study> >> > > > charts> >> > > > > > > >>> which I> >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*> >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:> >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977> >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM> >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,> >> > > > > > >

>>> > 11n42> >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.> >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts> >> > > > crossed> >> > > > > > 11th> >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly> >> > > > > > signfies> >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*> >> > > > > > >

>>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited> >> > > > in 11> >> > > > > > in> >> > > > > > > >>> its> >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.> >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.> >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as> >> > > > > > your> >> > > > > > > >>> case)*> >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto> >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > >

>>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the> >> > > > > > signfications> >> > > > > > > >>> of> >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord> >> > > > of> >> > > > > > 5> >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr> >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got> >> > > > married> >> > > > > > to> >> > > > > > > >>> the> >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou

know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy> >> > > > marital> >> > > > > > > >>> life> >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.> >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards> >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@> >> > > > > > >wrote:> >> > >

> > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,> >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many> >> > > > experieced> >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.> >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are> >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20> >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects

Neptune> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012> >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..> >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no> >> > > > stability> >> > > > > > in> >> > > > > > > >>> job> >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa> >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.> >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in

Jupiter star.. again a> >> > > > > > Neptune> >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.> >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks> >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <> >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,> >> > > > > > >

>>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL> >> > > > signifies> >> > > > > > any of> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL> >> > > > > > (which> >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected> >> > > > with> >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some> >> > > > effect> >> > > > > > on> >>

> > > > > > >>> the> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I> >> > > > > > understood> >> > > > > > > >>> from> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as> >> > > > experienced> >> > > > > > by> >> > > > > > > >>> him in> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be> >> > > > > > promised> >> > > > > > > >>> due to> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.>

>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get> >> > > > his> >> > > > > > > >>> personal> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.> >> > > > He> >> > > > > > has> >> > > > > > > >>> given many> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache> >> > > > > > Dene"> >> > > > > > > >>> edited and> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read

those> >> > > > articles.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.> >> > > > If> >> > > > > > you> >> > > > > > > >>> can> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of> >> > > > marriage I> >> > > > > > > >>> will be> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

Subhash Ektare> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%> >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%> >> > > >> >> > > > > > 40. com>> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM> >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -> >> > > > View> >> > > > > > from> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani> >> > > > > > aspects> >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,> >> > > > > > aspected> >> > > > > > > >>> planet> >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is> >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then> >> > > > aspected> >> > > > > > > >>> planet will> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as> >> > > > well> >> > > > > > as> >> > > > > > > >>> secondary> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected by> >> > > > > > pluto,> >> > > > > > > >>> then> >> > > >

> > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see> >> > > > that> >> > > > > > when> >> > > > > > > >>> these> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a> >> > > > > > considerable> >> > > > > > > >>> time. As> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is> >> > > > not> >> > > > > > having> >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this> >> > > > case,>

>> > > > > > pluto> >> > > > > > > >>> is not> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,> >> > > > > > Sunilji> >> > > > > > > >>> has> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had> >> > > > an> >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted> >> > > > with> >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of

pluto to> >> > > > 7th> >> > > > > > cusp.> >> > > > > > > >>> So not> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another> >> > > > reasons> >> > > > > > which> >> > > > > > > >>> we canot> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The> >> > > > SCientific> >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for> >> > > >

> > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages

#16123, # 16114 ........7CSL Sat> >> > > > aspects> >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question> >> > > > of> >> > > > > > DBA> >> > > > > > > >>> orstar> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of Sunil ji's> >> > > > > > principle> >> > > > > > > >>> is even> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto> >> > > > the> >> > > > > > > >>> result is> >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message #> >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr.> >> > > > > > Sunil> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... ......... .......but pluto> >> > > > gives> >> > > > > > > >>> negation"2. I> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When> >> > > > we> >> > > > > > say> >> >

> > > > > >>> that> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is> >> > > > based> >> > > > > > on> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has> >> > > > negative> >> > > > > > > >>> effect.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases> >> > > > > > should be> >> > > > > > > >>> studied> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such> >> > > > as> >> > > > > > >

>>> Rahu/Ketu can> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,> >> > > > > > Uranus> >> > > > > > > >>> which have> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.> >> > > > This> >> > > > > > > >>> idea may> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by> >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,> >> > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials> >> > > > -> >> > > > > > View> >> > > > > > > >>> from> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > >

>>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star> >> > > > > > lord> >> > > > > > > >>> theory> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.> >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny> >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house> >> > > > > > (there> >> > > > > > > >>> 11th> >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage> >> > > > > > instead> >> > > > > > > >>> of> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji> >> > > > has> >> > > > > > > >>> found any> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any

of his presentations of> >> > > > Pluto> >> > > > > > > >>> effect.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found> >> > > > in KP> >> > > > > > or> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a small> >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea> >> > > >

is> >> > > > > > not> >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This> >> > > > > > confirms> >> > > >

> > > >>> that> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > To:

@gro ups.com> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from> >> > > > > > Sunilji> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> >> > > > 16123> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups.

/ group/k_p_ system/message/> >> > > > 16114> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> >> > > > 14157> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the> >> > > > >

> effects of> >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more> >> > > > > > appropriate> >> > > > > > > >>> to> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than> >> > > > > > > >>> studying its> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.> >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years> >> > > > to> >> > > > > > > >>> complete one> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each> >> > > > > > > >>> constellation> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of> >> > > > 27> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for

analyzing> >> > > > its> >> > > > > > > >>> effects.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable> >> > > > TW ji> >> > > > > > > >>> says> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God> >> > > > Shiva,> >> > > > > > the> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring> >> > > > deep> >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> transformation> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is> >> > > > > > destruction> >> > > > > > > >>> of> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477)."> >> > > > > > This> >> > > > > > > >>> shows> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune> >> > > > are> >> > > > > > not> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced> >> > > > such> >> > > > > > > >>> effects in> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on> >> > > > Pluto's> >> > > > > > (or> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance> >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no> >> > > > research> >> > > > > > > >>> data> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari> >> > > > Dasha> >> > > > > > > >>> System..> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is> >> > > > conjunction> >> > > > > > or> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS> >> > > >

> > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed> >> > > > orb). I> >> > > > > > > >>> would> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is> >> > > > correct> >> > > > > > or> >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has> >> > > > > > come> >> > > >

> > > >>> across> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services> >> > > > for> >> > > > > > > >>> systematic> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View> >> > > > from> >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug> >> > > > > > 2009)> >> > > > > > > >>> Western> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his> >> > > > > > daughter> >> > > > > > > >>> Deva> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,> >> > > > Pluto> >> > > > > > is> >> > >

> > > > >>> known as> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey> >> > > > Green> >> > > > > > > >>> said that> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery> >> > > > of> >> > > > > > > >>> soul,> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive> >> > > > > > side of> >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian> >> > > > > > profession is>

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,> >> > > > page> >> > > > > > 46)> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of> >> > > > > > Pluto> >> > > > > > > >>> and> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0> >> > > > are> >> > > > > > > >>> checked and> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

found as given under.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15> >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> > > 8.. 6.. 15> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The> >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from> >> > > > the> >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,> >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise> >> > > > > > appearance is> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and> >> > > > 8> >> > > > > > > >>> houses by> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the> >> > > > > > cause> >> > > > > > > >>> of no> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.> >> > > > Hence> >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance> >> > > > in> >> > > > > > the> >> > > > > > > >>> 7th> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships> >> > > > or> >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not> >> > > > wholly> >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or>

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological> >> > > > > > aspects.> >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific> >> > > > > > procedure> >> > > > > > > >>> followed> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to> >> > > > > > magnify> >> > > > > > > >>> the> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that> >> > > > planet> >> > > > > > >

>>> always for> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection> >> > > > > > carries> >> > > > > > > >>> heavy> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and> >> > > > > > wealth.> >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or> >> > > > benefic.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power> >> > > > > > struggle> >> > > > > > > >>> between> >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable> >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the> >> > > > 7th is> >> > > > > > not> >> > > > > > > >>> doomed> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to> >> > > > > > relinquish> >> > > > > > > >>> them> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA> >> > > > > > charts> >> > > > > > >

>>> also> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no> >> > > > > > marriage.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to> >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse> >> > > > > > effects,> >> > > > > > > >>> which> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one> >> > > > > > hundred> >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith> >> > > > Hill> >> > > > > > in> >> > > > > > > >>> Medical> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this> >> > > > horoscope> >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of> >> > > > > > write> >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on> >> > > > effect> >> > > > > > of> >> > > > > > > >>> aspects> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I> >> > > > had> >> > > > > > >

>>> almost> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents> >> > > > from> >> > > > > > his> >> > > > > > > >>> mail(> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto Effects" the>

>> > > > extra> >> > > > > > > >>> planetary> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following> >> > > > these> >> > > > > > > >>> planets and> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are> >> > > > considered.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting> >> > > > Pluto> >> > > > > >

@4> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good> >> > > > > > results> >> > > > > > > >>> of> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto> >> > > > effects> >> > > > > > and> >> > > > > > > >>> when> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.> >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i> >> > > > have> >> > > > > > got> >> > > > > > > >>> many> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________

_________ _________ __> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.> >> > > > Out of> >> > > > > > > >>> these 8> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close> >> > > > > > cojunction> >> > > > > > > >>> with the> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of> >> > > > 8.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies

11(no planet in> >> > > > its> >> > > > > > > >>> star).> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further> >> > > > Mercury> >> > > > > > being> >> > > > > > > >>> in> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the> >> > > > 5(12> >> > > > > > to> >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8> >> > > >

> > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and> >> > > > it> >> > > > > > is> >> > > > > > > >>> being> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)> >> > > > .> >> > > > > > But> >> > > > > > > >>> the> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it> >> > > > may> >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign> >> > > > countries.> >> > >

> > > But> >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman> >> > > > amitbs2002@> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen> >> > > > shot in> >> > > > > > the> >> > > > > > > >>> .doc> >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the> >> > > > cusp> >> > > > > > > >>> chart +> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its> >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve :

(10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance> >> > > > ),11 & 10.> >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but> >> > > > also> >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he> >> > > > will> >> > > > > > > >>> also> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad> >> > > > > > economic> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is> >> > > > bad> >> > > > > > .> >> > > > > > > >>> We see> >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.> >> > > > > > signification> >> > > > > > > >>> are> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=> >> > > > >

> 1,7,8,11,4,10,> >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th> >> > > > sub> >> > > > > > > >>> should> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are> >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday,

September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this> >> > > > time,usingK. P.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier> >> > > > > > your>

>> > > > > > > >>> analysis> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II> >> > > > as> >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord> >> > > > and> >> > > > > > the> >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and> >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this> >> > > > > > TOB...you> >> > > > > > > >>> will> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a> >> > > > horoscope> >> > > > > > of a> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of> >> > > > > > issues> >> > > > > > > >>> . I> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When> >> > > > i> >> > > >

> > > >>> discussed this> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%> >> > > > > > wrong on> >> > > > > > > >>> the> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any> >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out> >> > > > how> >> > > > > > he> >> > > > > > >

>>> is> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the> >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> > > > >Regards> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>>

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>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> <> >> > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > >> >> > > > http://sigads. rediff.com/ RealMedia/ ads/click_ nx.ads/www. rediffmail. com/signaturelin e.htm@Middle> >> > > > ?> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > > --> >> > > > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar> >> > > > > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask. com> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Ravishankar,

You are correct...it should read VI,VII & XII...!

Thanks for pointing it out...

Yogesh Lajmi--- On Mon, 10/5/09, s.ravi Shankar <gurukkal.shankar wrote:

s.ravi Shankar <gurukkal.shankarRe: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar Cc: yogeshlajmiDate: Monday, October 5, 2009, 4:08 PM

 

 

 

 

Respected sir,

In the example which cited in the mail regarding accidental cut, and the ruling planets at that time,how X th house is connected, with regard to an injury.kindly enlighten us.

 

with regards,

S.Ravi Shankar--- On Mon, 5/10/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar@gro ups.comCc: "K.P.Naidu" <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in>Monday, 5 October, 2009, 1:58 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Mr.Naidu,

One definitely can find out the exact Time of Birth in atleast 85 to 90% of cases by using the methods described in the excellent book "Astrosecrets & K.P." Part II,kindly peruse the chapters Ascendant(Lagna) ,Lagna determination, A method to set a correct Lagna using K.P.,Birth Time Verification. , by the late Shri M.P.Shanmugham and edited by Mr.K.Subramaniam. ..

Pl. try them out and then form an opinion...(only a lawyer can make the statement like the one you've made...surely not a K.P. Astrologer).

Even so,there are methods available in K.P., to rectify a given Birth Time...and if one has a well-developed intuitive power,his success-rate can increase further... !

Allow me to give you an example of the accuracy of K.P.,and through this also one can correct his TOB to the exact one...note the exact time whenever one gets an accidental cut and it bleeds,the RPs at the time will be reflecting the sublords of the IVth,VIth & Xth houses...Also it has been proved by K.P. Scholars sny number of times that accidents take place during the D/B/A/S periods of the significators of houses IV,VIII & XII...! !

Why don't you test this out whenever you get a minor cut and blood oozes oit...note the time and at your leisure calculate the RPs at that time...you will be more than surprised...

If one works with a devoted mind one can achieve an enviable success-rate. ..with K.P. Horary or Natal...

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar@gro ups.comMonday, October 5, 2009, 4:32 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear sri Yogesh Ji,PROVED CORRECT means what may kindly be clarified.Correct Time of Birth is not known to many, because by the time is recorded whether it is 1st or 2nd or 3rd breath who knows ? God only knows correct Birth Time. Whether the rectified Birth Time tallies all the past life events of the native, as per KP rules?Thanks & Regards,Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Sun, 4/10/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar@gro ups.comCc: "tw853" <tw853 >Sunday, 4 October, 2009, 10:12 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear TW,

I am pleased to inform you that the TOB rectified by me was confirmed by Mr. Gurmeet Singh...10-14-30 AM. IST at Ludhiana...

I have sent many a BTRs through this site...ALL of them have proved correct,except perhaps a single exception...

Yogesh Lajmi.

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, TW <tw853 > wrote:

TW <tw853 > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar@gro ups.comSunday, October 4, 2009, 1:40 PM

Dear BTR practising Friends,1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect 3. Major events are as given under.1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?) 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third

time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.Thanks and regards,TW @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Tw ji,> > Please note my views on each mentioned point -> > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear.. Early marriage and late> marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith> ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her> place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some> of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon> and Mercury. I got the answer what I was

looking for from Adith ji's email.> 2. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who> do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.> 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email> only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.> 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give> early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.> 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before> proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring> disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this> by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as> well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an> astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always

remain> non-reliable.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> >> > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in> > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really> > delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has> > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp> > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old> > Edition Practical Part p 49.> > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but> > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to> > study in this

regard.> > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and> > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to> > the forum.> > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a> > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi> > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar> > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of> > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied..> > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,> > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a> > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of> > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart,

BV> > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand> > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.> > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and> > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's> > walking out.> >> > Thanks and regards,> > TW> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > >> > > Thanks Tw ji..I> > >> > > These are the points we are discussing -> > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn> > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th> > > 3. Technically there is no

Punarphoo (> > > http://logy. . astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under> > discussion,> > > only sign exchange.> > >> > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > > >> > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is> > uploaded in> > > > the File section.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > TW> > > >> > > >

@gro ups.com <% 40. com>,> > Punit> >> > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Adith ji,> > > > >> > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems> > very> > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something> > quite> > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying> > > > nature> > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage> > > > delay.> > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows> > > > >

possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth> > details> > > > have> > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem> > and> > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <> > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji.> > > > > >> > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.> > > > > >> > > > >

> But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point> > seems> > > > to> > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being> > 7th> > > > CSL> > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points> > have> > > > to> > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign> > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo> > > > also. But> > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be> > we> > > > have to> > > > > > study the other factors also.> > > > > >> > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our

Quiz # 1> > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery)...> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Adith> > > > > >> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil> > ji,> > > > I> > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love> > marriage/> > > > happy> > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.> > > > > >>> > > > > >>

Thanks & Regards,> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Punit Pandey> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> dear adith,> > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.> > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify> > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.> > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who> > are> > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period.> > > > > >>> retro planets

effects are taken in horary and not in> > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking> > > > > >>> is not as per kp.> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage> > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.> > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto> > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more> > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of> > > > > >>> pluto effect.> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when> > > > > >>> 7th

sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives> > > > > >>> a early marriage?> > > > > >>> thanks> > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%> >> >> > > > 40. com>, "adith> > > >> > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as

all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord> > of> > > > 12 is> > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)> > and> > > > sat> > > > > >>> is> > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level> > is> > > > > >>> detrimental> > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in> > > > Jupiter (> > > > > >>> R)> > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord> > > > present,> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the> > marraige> > >

> is> > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases> > > > study,> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many> > cases.> > > > > >>> Moreover> > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*> > which> > > > > >>> also> > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study> > charts> > > > > >>> which I> > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*> > >

> > >>> > Female:> > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977> > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM> > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,> > > > > >>> > 11n42> > > > > >>> > 77e53> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.> > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts> > crossed> > > > 11th> > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly> > > > signfies> > > > > >>>

6.*> > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited> > in 11> > > > in> > > > > >>> its> > > > > >>> > own sign.> > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.> > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as> > > > your> > > > > >>> case)*> > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto> > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the> > > > signfications> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>>

> 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord> > of> > > > 5> > > > > >>> Jupietr> > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got> > married> > > > to> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy> > marital> > > > > >>> life> > > > > >>> > with children..> > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > Regards> > > > > >>> > Adith> >

> > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@> > > > >wrote:> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,> > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many> > experieced> > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.> > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are> > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20> > > > >

>>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ...Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012> > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..> > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no> > stability> > > > in> > > > > >>> job> > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa> > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.> > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a> > > > Neptune> > > > > >>> > > Pluto

effect.> > > > > >>> > > thanks> > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <> > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL> > signifies> > > > any of> > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL> > > >

(which> > > > > >>> is Shani> > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected> > with> > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some> > effect> > > > on> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I> > > > understood> > > > > >>> from> > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as> > experienced> > > > by> > > > > >>> him in> > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be> > >

> promised> > > > > >>> due to> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get> > his> > > > > >>> personal> > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.> > He> > > > has> > > > > >>> given many> > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache> > > > Dene"> > > > > >>> edited and> > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those> > articles.> > > >

> >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.> > If> > > > you> > > > > >>> can> > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of> > marriage I> > > > > >>> will be> > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Regards> > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >> > > > >

>>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%> > 40. com><k_p_ system%> >> > > > 40. com>> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM> > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -> > View> > > > from> > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,> > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your

post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani> > > > aspects> > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,> > > > aspected> > > > > >>> planet> > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is> > > > > >>> sigifying> > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then> > aspected> > > > > >>> planet will> > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as> > well> > > > as> > > > > >>> secondary> > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8

being aspected by> > > > pluto,> > > > > >>> then> > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see> > that> > > > when> > > > > >>> these> > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a> > > > considerable> > > > > >>> time. As> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is> > not> > > > having> > > > > >>> DBAs,> > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this> > case,> > > > pluto> > > > > >>> is not> > > > > >>> > >>

supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,> > > > Sunilji> > > > > >>> has> > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had> > an> > > > > >>> occasion to> > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted> > with> > > > > >>> theknowledge> > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to> > 7th> > > > cusp.> > > > > >>> So not> > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another> > reasons> > > > which> > > > > >>> we canot> > > > > >>>

> >> identify now..> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> With regards.> > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The> > SCientific> > > > > >>> Socy.for> > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India> > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@> > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@> > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote> > > > > >>> > >> >> > >

> > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 .......7CSL Sat> > aspects> > > > > >>> Pluto to> > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question> > of> > > > DBA> > > > > >>> orstar> > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise.My understanding of Sunil ji's> > > > principle> > > > > >>> is even> > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto> > the> > > > > >>> result is> > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In

message #> > > > > >>> 14157.....It was> > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr.> > > > Sunil> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet> > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... .......... .......... ......... .......but pluto> > gives> > > > > >>> negation"2. I> > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When> > we> > > > say> > > > > >>> that> > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is> > based> > > > on> > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it

was observed that Pluto has> > negative> > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases> > > > should be> > > > > >>> studied> > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such> > as> > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can> > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,> > > > Uranus> > > > > >>> which have> > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.> > This> > > > > >>> idea may> > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved

by> > > > > >>> research.Subhash> > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials> > -> > > > View> > > > > >>> from> > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >

>>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star> > > > lord> > > > > >>> theory> > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.> > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123> > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny> > > > > >>> marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114> > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house> > > > (there> > > > > >>> 11th> > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage> > > > instead> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji> > has> > > > > >>> found any> > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of> > Pluto> > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found> > in KP> > > > or> > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the

rationale of such a small> > > > > >>> satellite can> > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea> > is> > > > not> > > > > >>> in KP.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,> > > > > >>> > >> TW> > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups..com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This> > > > confirms> > > > >

>>> that> > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS> > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > TW> > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM> > > > > >>> > >> > Subject:

Re: Query on financials - View from> > > > Sunilji> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > 16123> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > 16114> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > 14157> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > --- In

@gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the> > > > effects of> > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > >>> > >> also> > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more> > > > appropriate> > > > > >>> to> > > > > >>> > >> study> > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than> > > > > >>> studying its>

> > > > >>> > >> appearance> > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years> > to> > > > > >>> complete one> > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each> > > > > >>> constellation> > > > > >>> > >> in about> > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of> > 27> > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore> > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data

for analyzing> > its> > > > > >>> effects.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable> > TW ji> > > > > >>> says> > > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God> > Shiva,> > > > the> > > > > >>> > >> creator and> > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring> > deep> > > > > >>> > >> transformation> > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is> > > > destruction> > > > > >>>

of> > > > > >>> > >> anything that> > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it........... . ......(Planets in Transit Page 477)."> > > > This> > > > > >>> shows> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's> > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune> > are> > > > not> > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.> > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced> > such> > > > > >>> effects in> > > > > >>> > >>

many> > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on> > Pluto's> > > > (or> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance> > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no> > research> > > > > >>> data> > > > > >>> > >> available. Further> > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari> > Dasha> > > > > >>> System.> > > > > >>> > >> Then how> > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is> > conjunction> > > > or> > > > > >>> >

>> aspects of the DBAS> > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed> > orb). I> > > > > >>> would> > > > > >>> > >> like to request> > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is> > correct> > > > or> > > > > >>> wrong.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has> > > > come> > > > > >>> across> > > > > >>> > >> many such> > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted

I would like to offer my services> > for> > > > > >>> systematic> > > > > >>> > >> study and> > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > TW> > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro

ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM> > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View> > from> > > > > >>> Sunilji> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug> > > > 2009)> > > > > >>> Western> > > > > >>> > >> Experience> > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his> > > > daughter> > > > > >>>

Deva> > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,> > Pluto> > > > is> > > > > >>> known as> > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey> > Green> > > > > >>> said that> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery> > of> > > > > >>> soul,> > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive> > > > side of> > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian> > > > profession is> > > > > >>> >

>> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,> > page> > > > 46)> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts> > > > > >>> > >> > > 14.. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of> > > > Pluto> > > > > >>> and> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0> > are> > > > > >>> checked and> > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.> > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses> > > > > >>> > >> > > H.. Ne.. Pl> > > > > >>> > >> > >

1.. 11.. 9> > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15> > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4> > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4> > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5> > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2> > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15> > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15> > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9> > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8> > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5> > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >

15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The> > > > > >>> house-wise> > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from> > the> > > > > >>> average of 8%,> > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise> > > > appearance is> > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and> > 8> > > > > >>> houses by> > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the> > > > cause> > > > > >>> of no> > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.> > Hence> > >

> > >>> Pluto or> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance> > in> > > > the> > > > > >>> 7th> > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings> > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships> > or> > > > > >>> Synastry> > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not> > wholly> > > > > >>> malefic or> > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological> > > >

aspects.> > > > > >>> Rahu and> > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific> > > > procedure> > > > > >>> followed> > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to> > > > magnify> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that> > planet> > > > > >>> always for> > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection> > > > carries> > > > > >>> heavy> > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and> > > >

wealth.> > > > > >>> (Noel> > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or> > benefic.> > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power> > > > struggle> > > > > >>> between> > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable> > > > > >>> consequences, but> > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the> > 7th is> > > > not> > > > > >>> doomed> > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to> > > > relinquish> > > > > >>> them>

> > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA> > > > charts> > > > > >>> also> > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no> > > > marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to> > > > > >>> senselessly> > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse> > > > effects,> > > > > >>> which> > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one> > > > hundred> > > > > >>> > >>

carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith> > Hill> > > > in> > > > > >>> Medical> > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58...> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this> > horoscope> > > > > >>> pointing to> > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto.

I also remember a couple of> > > > write> > > > > >>> ups( in a> > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on> > effect> > > > of> > > > > >>> aspects> > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I> > had> > > > > >>> almost> > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents> > from> > > > his> > > > > >>> mail(> > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as

below :> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto Effects" the> > extra> > > > > >>> planetary> > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following> > these> > > > > >>> planets and> > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are> > considered.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and

Jupiter also aspecting> > Pluto> > > > @4> > > > > >>> > >> degrees.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good> > > > results> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto> > effects> > > > and> > > > > >>> when> > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given

in my diwali 2008 issue and i> > have> > > > got> > > > > >>> many> > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...> > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43

AM> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.> > Out of> > > > > >>> these 8> > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close> > > > cojunction> > > > > >>> with the> > > > > >>> > >> Badaka

Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of> > 8.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in> > its> > > > > >>> star).> > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further> > Mercury> > > > being> > > > > >>> in> > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the> > 5(12> > > > to> > > > > >>> 6) ,8> >

> > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and> > it> > > > is> > > > > >>> being> > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)> > .> > > > But> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it> > may> > > > > >>> signfy the> > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign> > countries.> > > > But> > > > > >>> 5,8,12> > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > >

>>> > >> > > > Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman> > amitbs2002@> > > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,> > > >

> >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen> > shot in> > > > the> > > > > >>> .doc> > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the> > cusp> > > > > >>> chart +> > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its> > > > > >>> significations per 4> > > > > >>> > >> step are :> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of

Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance> > ),11 & 10.> > > > > >>> Though 8> > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but> > also> > > > > >>> shows gain> > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5

shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he> > will> > > > > >>> also> > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad> > > > economic> > > > > >>> > >> situation?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is> > bad> > > > .> > > > > >>> We see> > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.> > > > signification> > > > > >>> are> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

>Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=> > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,> > > > > >>> 5 + 6> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th> > sub> > > > > >>> should> > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are> > > > > >>>

signified. Then> > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit

Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST..> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this> > time,usingK. P.> > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier> > > > your> > > > > >>> analysis>

> > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II> > as> > > > > >>> Jupiter...> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord> > and> > > > the> > > > > >>> sub-sub> > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and> > > > > >>> sub-lord> > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr..Soman please erect the Birth chart for this> > > > TOB...you> > > > > >>> will> > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....> > > > > >>> >

>> > > > > With the very best wishes,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > >

>>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a> > horoscope> > > > of a> > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of> > > > issues> > > > > >>> . I> > >

> > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When> > i> > > > > >>> discussed this> > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%> > > > wrong on> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any> > > > > >>> satisfactory KP> > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out> > how> > > > he> > > > > >>> is> > > > > >>> > >> doing financially (

say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the> > > > > >>> prospects for> > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >

>>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> >

>>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> <> > >

> > >>>> > > >> > http://sigads. rediff.com/ RealMedia/ ads/click_ nx.ads/www. rediffmail. com/signaturelin e.htm@Middle> > ?> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > --> > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar> > > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask. com> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>>

>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

 

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Dear PATIL,

 

Myself & Dr. Rath have done with extensive exercise to find whether the RP's of

other astrologer sitting around the globe can be used to fix the selected RBT

and we found it is working. The PowerPoint presentation also given in this

regard. So when the intension of the all the astrologer is same then every

astrologer's (sitting around the globe) RP leads to same RBT/birth time only.

 

It is upto individuals interpretation/handing the RP accordingly the results may

differ. During that time was in vacation hence i could not discuss further at

that time so requested Dr.Rath to proceed to complete the exercise with some

help from my side. I also found there was not much discussion about the power

point presentation happened though there are some minor errors in compilation.

Nobody pointed out such error. May be some members might have noticed and

ignored or some may not have noticed also.

 

Anybody (including those who have given RP's & RBT details Adith, sujata, kalyan

others) tried with other's RP to fix the RBT suggested by them using their own

RP's. If any finding you may please post it for further discussion. If not i

have attached all the data which we have compiled with individuals RP chart for

the members study/discussion. Hope the PowerPoint presentation is available in

files section which may be used directly.

 

Note to Dr.Rath:

===============

Hope you wouldn't mind one my statement about small error etc.

 

GOOD LUCK!

 

D.Senthil

 

 

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_vijayanand

wrote:

 

 

VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_vijayanand

Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

 

Cc: tw853, guide_vijayanand

Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:44 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

R/s Twji

What you have suggested that rectified birth time should co relate with the past

events of the jataka.

I am of the opinion and it is the fact that when we consider past events of the

jataka for rectification of birth time, generally kp astrologers will go only

upto antra (Vidasha) and still one may go upto sukshma, the period will be not

less than 2 to 3 monhs in general. If to identify the happened event to the csl

of particular house, by shifting sub of one planet to another planet can be

there but as we are not going upto the date of the materialisation of event,

what we consider rectification of birth time and accordingly we cross check the

past events, in 50 cases out of 100 it may match but in large majority of cases,

it will differ.

So, I request all the friends who adopt the methods of rectification of birth

time, they should restrict to the extensive use of ruling planets widened upto 7

strength wise which I use to use

for rectification upto sub sub level of ascendent.

1)lagna Sub (2) lagna Star (3) Lagna (4) CHANDRA SUB (5) cHANDRA STAR (6)

cHANDRA SIGN AND 7 IS THE DAY LORD.

If astrologer is 100% sure about the efficacy of ruling planets in rectification

of birth time, he will sit for preparation of horoscope only on such a time

there every ruling planegt will match upto sub sub sub level also. But

astrologer itself is not sure about the efficacy of ruling planets as well as

the doctrine of rectificstionof birth time, then definately what rulihng planets

come will not definately match and they feel that the reported time of birth is

always wrong and thatswhy their predictions go wrong.

So, cross checking past events is not the authentic way to rectification of

birth time and accordingly some astrologers use to shift sub or sub sub of the

concerned cusps to another planet and thereby total horoscope changes, and still

there is no accuracy in

predictions.

With regards

Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientifric socy.For Research and

Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a,iNDIA

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On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 20:02:29 +0530 wrote

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Dear BTR practising Friends,

 

1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting

chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by

discussion in the forum.

 

2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

 

3. Major events are as given under.

1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation

2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery

gain?)

3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big

money

4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;

5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate

relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting

schorlarship;

6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal

relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

 

Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

 

Thanks and regards,

TW

 

@gro ups.com, Punit Pandey wrote:

>

> Dear Tw ji,

>

> Please note my views on each mentioned point -

>

> 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and late

> marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith

> ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her

> place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is

not true for some

> of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon

> and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.

> 2. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who

> do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email

> only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon Mercury are the planet that give

> early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.

> 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before

> proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring

> disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this

> by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as

> well as

applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an

> astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always remain

> non-reliable.

>

> Thanks Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

>

> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> >

> > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is uploaded in

> > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really

> > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has

> > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp

> > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old

> > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay

but

> > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to

> > study in this regard.

> > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and

> > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to

> > the forum.

> > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a

> > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi

> > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar

> > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of

> > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,

> > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a

> > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case

of Tagore's death in the dasa of

> > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV

> > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand

> > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.

> > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and

> > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's

> > walking out.

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> > TW

> >

> >

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > >

> > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo

(

> > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under

> > discussion,

> > > only sign exchange.

> > >

> > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > >

> > > Thanks Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > >

> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > >

> > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is

> > uploaded in

> > > > the File section.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > TW

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com ,

> > Punit

> >

> > > > Pandey

punitp@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. " seems

> > very

> > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something

> > quite

> > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying

> > > > nature

> > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage

> > > > delay.

> > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows

> > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth

> > details

> > > > have

> > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem

> > and

> > > > >

justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k

> > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point

> > seems

> > > > to

> > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being

> > 7th

> > > > CSL

>

> > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points

> > have

> > > > to

> > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign

> > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo

> > > > also. But

> > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be

> > we

> > > > have to

> > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1

> > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Adith

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Fri, Oct

2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil

> > ji,

> > > > I

> > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love

> > marriage/

> > > > happy

> > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Thanks Regards,

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka

sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.

> > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who

> > are

> > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period.

> > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking

> > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > > > >>>

> > >

> > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.

> > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto

> > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more

> > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of

> > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when

> > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives

> > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > > > >>> thanks

> > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > >

>>>

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> @gro ups.com > >

> >

> > > > 40. com>, " adith

> > > >

> > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " wrote:

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord

> > of

> > > > 12 is

> > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)

> > and

> > > > sat

> > > > > >>> is

> > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level

> > is

> > > > > >>>

detrimental

> > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in

> > > > Jupiter (

> > > > > >>> R)

> > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord

> > > > present,

> > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the

> > marraige

> > > > is

> > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases

> > > > study,

> > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many

> > cases.

> > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord

are in the *Retro planets's star*

> > which

> > > > > >>> also

> > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study

> > charts

> > > > > >>> which I

> > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > She has Pluto

in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.

> > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts

> > crossed

> > > > 11th

> > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly

> > > > signfies

> > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited

> > in 11

> > > > in

> > > > > >>> its

> > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of

Jupiter (as

> > > > your

> > > > > >>> case)*

> > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the

> > > > signfications

> > > > > >>> of

> > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord

> > of

> > > > 5

> > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got

> > married

> > > > to

> > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > >

> >>> >

> > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy

> > marital

> > > > > >>> life

> > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar > > > >

>wrote:

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >>> > >

>

> > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many

> > experieced

> > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20

> > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune

> > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..

> > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no

> >

stability

> > > > in

> > > > > >>> job

> > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa

> > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.

> > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a

> > > > Neptune

> > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare

> > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >>>

> >>

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL

> > signifies

> > > > any of

> > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL

> > > > (which

> > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected

> > with

> > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some

> > effect

> > > > on

> > > > > >>> the

> > > > >

>>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I

> > > > understood

> > > > > >>> from

> > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as

> > experienced

> > > > by

> > > > > >>> him in

> > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be

> > > > promised

> > > > > >>> due to

> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get

> > his

> > > > > >>> personal

> > > > > >>> > >>

guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.

> > He

> > > > has

> > > > > >>> given many

> > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine " Nakshatrache

> > > > Dene "

> > > > > >>> edited and

> > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those

> > articles.

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.

> > If

> > > > you

> > > > > >>> can

> > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of

> > marriage I

> > > > > >>> will be

> > > > > >>> >

>> glad to know it.

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL

> > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com > > 40. com> > >

> > > > 40. com>

> > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@

> > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -

>

> View

> > > > from

> > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani

> > > > aspects

> > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,

> > > > aspected

> > > > > >>> planet

> > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is

> > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then

> > aspected

> > > > > >>>

planet will

> > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as

> > well

> > > > as

> > > > > >>> secondary

> > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected by

> > > > pluto,

> > > > > >>> then

> > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see

> > that

> > > > when

> > > > > >>> these

> > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a

> > > > considerable

> > > > > >>> time. As

> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is

> > not

> > > >

having

> > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this

> > case,

> > > > pluto

> > > > > >>> is not

> > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,

> > > > Sunilji

> > > > > >>> has

> > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had

> > an

> > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted

> > with

> > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to

> > 7th

> >

> > cusp.

> > > > > >>> So not

> > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another

> > reasons

> > > > which

> > > > > >>> we canot

> > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The

> > SCientific

> > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India

> > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> > >

> > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 .......7CSL Sat

> > aspects

> > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question

> > of

> > > > DBA

> > > > > >>> orstar

> > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise.My understanding of Sunil ji's

> > > > principle

> > > >

> >>> is even

> > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto

> > the

> > > > > >>> result is

> > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message #

> > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr.

> > > > Sunil

> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of neptune is not yet

> > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... ......... .......but pluto

> > gives

> > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When

> >

we

> > > > say

> > > > > >>> that

> > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is

> > based

> > > > on

> > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has

> > negative

> > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases

> > > > should be

> > > > > >>> studied

> > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such

> > as

> > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,

> > > > Uranus

> > > >

> >>> which have

> > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.

> > This

> > > > > >>> idea may

> > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by

> > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,

> > > > > >>>

> > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials

> > -

> > > > View

> > > > > >>> from

> > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> >

>>

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star

> > > > lord

> > > > > >>> theory

> >

> > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.

> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123

> > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny

> > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114

> > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house

> > > > (there

> > > > > >>> 11th

> > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage

> > > > instead

> > > > >

>>> of

> > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.

> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji

> > has

> > > > > >>> found any

> > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of

> > Pluto

> > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found

> > in KP

> > > > or

> > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> >

> > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a small

> > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >>> >

>> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This

> > > > confirms

> > > > > >>> that

> > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS

> > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > > > >>> >

>> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from

> > > > Sunilji

> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > 16123

> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > 16114

> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > 14157

> > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare

wrote:

> > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the

> > > > effects of

> > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more

> > > > appropriate

> > > > > >>> to

> > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than

> > > > > >>> studying its

> > > > > >>> >

>> appearance

> > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years

> > to

> > > > > >>> complete one

> > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each

> > > > > >>> constellation

> > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of

> > 27

> > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing

> > its

>

> > > > >>> effects.

> > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable

> > TW ji

> > > > > >>> says

> > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God

> > Shiva,

> > > > the

> > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring

> > deep

> > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is

> > > > destruction

> > > > > >>> of

> > > > >

>>> > >> anything that

> > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477). "

> > > > This

> > > > > >>> shows

> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune

> > are

> > > > not

> > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced

> > such

> > > > > >>> effects in

> > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > > >

>>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on

> > Pluto's

> > > > (or

> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no

> > research

> > > > > >>> data

> > > > > >>> > >> available. Further

> > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari

> > Dasha

> > > > > >>> System.

> > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is

> > conjunction

> > > > or

> > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the

DBAS

> > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed

> > orb). I

> > > > > >>> would

> > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is

> > correct

> > > > or

> > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has

> > > > come

> > > > > >>> across

> > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my

services

> > for

> > > > > >>> systematic

> > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.

> > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > >

> >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM

> > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View

> > from

> > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug

> > > > 2009)

> > > > > >>> Western

> > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his

> > > > daughter

> > > > > >>> Deva

> > > > >

>>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,

> > Pluto

> > > > is

> > > > > >>> known as

> > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey

> > Green

> > > > > >>> said that

> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery

> > of

> > > > > >>> soul,

> > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive

> > > > side of

> > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian

> > > > profession is

> > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or

psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,

> > page

> > > > 46)

> > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of

> > > > Pluto

> > > > > >>> and

> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0

> > are

> > > > > >>> checked and

> > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > > > >>> > >> > > H.. Ne.. Pl

> > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > >

> > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance

in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The

> > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from

> > the

> > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise

> > > > appearance is

> > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and

> > 8

> > > > > >>> houses by

> > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the

> > > > cause

> > > > > >>> of no

> > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.

> > Hence

> > > > > >>> Pluto

or

> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > >>> 7th

> > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships

> > or

> > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not

> > wholly

> > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological

> > > > aspects.

> > > > >

>>> Rahu and

> > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific

> > > > procedure

> > > > > >>> followed

> > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to

> > > > magnify

> > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that

> > planet

> > > > > >>> always for

> > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection

> > > > carries

> > > > > >>> heavy

> > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and

> > > > wealth.

> > > > >

>>> (Noel

> > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or

> > benefic.

> > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power

> > > > struggle

> > > > > >>> between

> > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable

> > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the

> > 7th is

> > > > not

> > > > > >>> doomed

> > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to

> > > > relinquish

> > > > > >>> them

> > > > > >>>

> >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA

> > > > charts

> > > > > >>> also

> > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no

> > > > marriage.

> > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to

> > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse

> > > > effects,

> > > > > >>> which

> > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one

> > > > hundred

> > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as

mentioned by Judith

> > Hill

> > > > in

> > > > > >>> Medical

> > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this

> > horoscope

> > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of

>

> > > write

> > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on

> > effect

> > > > of

> > > > > >>> aspects

> > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I

> > had

> > > > > >>> almost

> > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents

> > from

> > > > his

> > > > > >>> mail(

> > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > > >

>>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto Effects " the

> > extra

> > > > > >>> planetary

> > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following

> > these

> > > > > >>> planets and

> > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are

> > considered.

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting

> >

Pluto

> > > > @4

> > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good

> > > > results

> > > > > >>> of

> > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto

> > effects

> > > > and

> > > > > >>> when

> > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i

>

> have

> > > > got

> > > > > >>> many

> > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM

> > > > >

>>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.

> > Out of

> > > > > >>> these 8

> > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close

> > > > cojunction

> > > > > >>> with the

> > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected

by satrun the lord of

> > 8.

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in

> > its

> > > > > >>> star).

> > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further

> > Mercury

> > > > being

> > > > > >>> in

> > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the

> > 5(12

> > > > to

> > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > > > >>> >

>> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > >>> being

> > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)

> > .

> > > > But

> > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it

> > may

> > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign

> > countries.

> > > > But

> > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

Regards

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman

> > amitbs2002@

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen

> > shot in

> > > > the

> > > > > >>> .doc

> > > > > >>> > >> file the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the

> > cusp

> > > > > >>> chart +

> > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,710th sub is Sa. Its

> > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > >

> >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance

> > ),1110.

> > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but

> > also

> > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 11 are operating.

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he

>

> will

> > > > > >>> also

> > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad

> > > > economic

> > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is

> > bad

> > > > .

> > > > > >>> We see

> > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.

> > > > signification

> > > > > >>> are

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > >

> > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=

> > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th

> > sub

> > > > > >>> should

> > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are

> > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > > > >>>

> >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > >

>>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this

> > time,usingK. P.

> > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier

> > > > your

> > > > > >>> analysis

> > > > > >>> > >> was going

wrong because you were getting the sublord of II

> > as

> > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord

> > and

> > > > the

> > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and

> > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this

> > > > TOB...you

> > > > > >>> will

> > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best

wishes,

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sent:

Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a

> > horoscope

> > > > of a

> > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of

> > > > issues

> > > > > >>> . I

> > > > > >>> > >> formed certain

opinion about past aspects of his life. When

> > i

> > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched some did not. BUT i was 100%

> > > > wrong on

> > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any

> > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out

> > how

> > > > he

> > > > > >>> is

> > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the

> >

> > > >>> prospects for

> > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>>

> >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >>> > >>

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