Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

October 2, 2009

Dear Adith ji,

Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something quite tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying nature of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage delay. In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth details have error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem and justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath wrote:

Dear Punit ji.

I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point seems to be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being 7th CSL will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points have to be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo also. But did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be we have to study the other factors also.

As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1 also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

Regards

Adith

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Dear Adith ji,

Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil ji, I also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love marriage/ happy marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka <sunilalaka wrote:

dear adith,thanks for the quick reply.in my case as you mentioned that star level signify6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who are

married at proper or delayed period.retro planets effects are taken in horary and not innatal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinkingis not as per kp.now about your presented case of marriage

7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on plutois not considered...also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more

than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question ofpluto effect.can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn givesa early marriage?

thanks-sunil gondhalekar

, " adith kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji,>

> In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord of 12 is> posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6) and sat is> posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level is detrimental

> for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in Jupiter ( R)> star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord present, the> star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the marraige is

> delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases study, the> signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many cases. Moreover> the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star* which also

> agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study charts which I> conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.> > *if you analyse the below chart :*> Female:

> 6/7/1977> 10.25 AM> Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,> 11n42> 77e53> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.> *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts crossed 11th> Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly signfies 6.*> Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited in 11 in its

> own sign.> *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.> *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as your case)*> *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto> *But no Pluto effect.

> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the signfications of> 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord of 5 Jupietr> on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got married to the

> one who she loved. *> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy marital life> with children.> Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.> > Regards

> Adith> > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalakawrote: > > >> >> > dear subhash,> > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many experieced> > cases about Pluto and Neptune.> > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM;Aurangabad,19N53,75E20> > Mercury conj.Neptune...Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune> >> > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012> > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..

> > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no stability in job> > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa> > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.

> > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a Neptune> > Pluto effect.> > thanks> > -sunil gondhalekar> >> > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> > subhash_ektare wrote:> >> >>> >>> >> Dear Patil ji,> >>> >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL signifies any of

> >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL (which is Shani> >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected with Pluto.> >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some effect on the

> >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I understood from> >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as experienced by him in> >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be promised due to

> >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.> >>> >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get his personal> >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now. He has given many

> >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine " Nakshatrache Dene " edited and> >> published by him. Probably you might have read those articles.> >>> >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive. If you can

> >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of marriage I will be> >> glad to know it.> >>> >> Regards> >> Subhash Ektare> >>> >> ------------------------------

> >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_vijayanand> >> *To:* > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare; guide_vijayanand

> >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials - View from> >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> >>> >> Dear subhashji,> >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani aspects Pluto.

> >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet, aspected planet> >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is sigifying> >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then aspected planet will

> >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as well as secondary> >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected by pluto, then> >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see that when these

> >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a considerable time. As> >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is not having DBAs,> >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this case, pluto is not

> >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though, Sunilji has> >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had an occasion to> >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted with theknowledge

> >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to 7th cusp. So not> >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another reasons which we canot> >> identify now.> >>

> >> With regards.> >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The SCientific Socy.for> >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtra, India> >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+91 9673746303

> >> email : guide_vijayanand >> vijayanand_astroguide >> visit : physics > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote> >> >> >>> >>> >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 .......7CSL Sat aspects Pluto to> >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question of DBA orstar

> >> lord theory did not arise.My understanding of Sunil ji's principle is even> >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto the result is> >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message # 14157.....It was

> >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr. Sunil> >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of neptune is not yet> >> confirmed.....................................but pluto gives negation " 2. I

> >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When we say that> >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is based on> >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has negative effect.

> >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases should be studied> >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such as Rahu/Ketu can> >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune, Uranus which have

> >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects. This idea may> >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by research.Subhash> >> EktareTW : Sunday, September 27,

> >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials - View from> >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>

> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,> >>

> >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star lord theory> >> in the following messages posted before.> >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.

> >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123> >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.

> >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114> >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house (there 11th

> >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage instead of> >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.> >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157

> >>> >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji has found any> >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of Pluto effect.> >>> >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found in KP or

> >> Western or even Vedic.> >>> >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a small satellite can> >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea is not in KP.

> >>> >> Thanks and regards,> >> TW> >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> >> >> >> > Respected TW ji,

> >> >> >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This confirms that> >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS> >> > lords. Regards

> >> >> >> > Subhash Ektare> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> >> > TW> >> > @gro ups.com

> >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM> >> > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji> >> Gondhelkar> >> >> >> >

> >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123> >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114

> >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> >> > >> >> > > Friends and Members> >> > >> >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the effects of Pluto> >> also

> >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more appropriate to> >> study> >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than studying its> >> appearance

> >> > > in any particular house.> >> > >> >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years to complete one> >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each constellation

> >> in about> >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of 27> >> constellations. Therefore> >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing its effects.

> >> > >> >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable TW ji says> >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God Shiva, the> >> creator and

> >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring deep> >> transformation> >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is destruction of> >> anything that

> >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477). " This shows> >> Pluto's> >> > > nature as observed.> >> > >> >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune are not

> >> considered in KP.> >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced such effects in> >> many> >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on Pluto's (or

> >> Neptune's) appearance> >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no research data> >> available. Further> >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari Dasha System.

> >> Then how> >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is conjunction or> >> aspects of the DBAS> >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed orb). I would

> >> like to request> >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is correct or wrong.> >>> >> > >> >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has come across

> >> many such> >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services for systematic> >> study and> >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.

> >> > >> >> > > Regards> >> > > Subhash Ektare> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >> > > TW> >> > > @gro ups.com> >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM> >> > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

> >> Gondhelkar> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug 2009) Western> >> Experience> >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his daughter Deva

> >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda, Pluto is known as> >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey Green said that> >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery of soul,

> >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive side of Pluto> >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian profession is> >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology, page 46)

> >> > >> >> > > Observation of AA Charts> >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of Pluto and> >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0 are checked and

> >> found as given under.> >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses> >> > > H.. Ne.. Pl> >> > > 1.. 11.. 9> >> > > 2.. 12.. 15> >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> >> > > 4.. 10.. 4> >> > > 5.. 6.. 5> >> > > 6.. 4.. 2> >> > > 7.. 7.. 15> >> > > 8.. 6.. 15> >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> >> > > 10.. 10.. 8> >> > > 11 6 5> >> > > 12 9 9> >> > >> >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The house-wise

> >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from the average of 8%,> >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise appearance is> >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and 8 houses by

> >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the cause of no> >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses. Hence Pluto or> >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance in the 7th

> >> (marriage) house.> >> > >> >> > > Findings> >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships or Synastry> >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not wholly malefic or

> >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological aspects. Rahu and> >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific procedure followed> >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to magnify the

> >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that planet always for> >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection carries heavy> >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and wealth. (Noel

> >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or benefic.> >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power struggle between> >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable consequences, but

> >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the 7th is not doomed> >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to relinquish them> >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA charts also

> >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no marriage.> >> > >> >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to senselessly> >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse effects, which

> >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one hundred> >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith Hill in Medical> >> Astrology, page 58.> >> > >

> >> > >> >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:> >> > > >> >> > > > Hi

> >> > > >> >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this horoscope pointing to> >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of write ups( in a

> >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on effect of aspects> >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I had almost> >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> >> > > >> >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents from his mail(> >> with his permission ) as below :> >> > > >> >> > > > dear amit,

> >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto Effects " the extra planetary> >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following these planets and> >> found to give a correct result if there effects are considered.

> >> > > >> >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.> >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting Pluto @4> >> degrees.

> >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good results of> >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results> >> > > >> >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto effects and when

> >> seen on SW it was confirmed.> >> > > >> >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i have got many> >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.

> >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...

> >> > > > @gro ups.com> >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM> >> > > > Re: Query on financials

> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,> >> > > >> >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9. Out of these 8

> >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.> >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close cojunction with the> >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of 8.

> >> > > >> >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in its star).> >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.> >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further Mercury being in

> >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.> >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the 5(12 to 6) ,8> >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and it is being

> >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star) . But the> >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it may signfy the> >> change in profession or profession related to foreign countries. But 5,8,12

> >> are detrimental.> >> > > >> >> > > > Regards> >> > > > Adith> >> > > >> >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> >> wrote:> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]> >> > > > >> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,> >> > > > >> >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen shot in the .doc> >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the cusp chart +

> >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its significations per 4> >> step are :> >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9> >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> >> > > > >> >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014

> >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance ),11 & 10. Though 8> >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but also shows gain> >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> >> > > > >> >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he will also> >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad economic

> >> situation?> >> > > > >> >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is bad . We see> >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012. signification are

> >> > > > >Ra : - -> >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)> >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> >> > > > >> >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )= 1,7,8,11,4,10, 5 + 6> >> > > > >> >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th sub should

> >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are signified. Then> >> why he is not doing professionally good?> >> > > > >> >> > > > >Regards

> >> > > > >Amit Soman> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi> >> > > > >@gro ups.com> >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM> >> > > > >Re: Query on financials> >> > > > >> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,> >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.> >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this time,usingK. P.> >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier your analysis

> >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II as Jupiter...> >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub> >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord

> >> respectively. ..!> >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this TOB...you will> >> get it right this time....> >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >> >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM> >> > > > > Query on financials> >> > > > >> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >> >> > > > >Hi> >> > > > >> >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a horoscope of a> >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of issues . I

> >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When i discussed this> >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100% wrong on the> >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any satisfactory KP

> >> reason for it.> >> > > > >> >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out how he is> >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the prospects for

> >> him in next 5 yrs?> >> > > > >> >> > > > >His birth details are> >> > > > >18-06-1977> >> > > > >8:15 am

> >> > > > >Mumbai> >> > > > >> >> > > > >Regards> >> > > > >Amit Soman> >> > > > >> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> >>> >>

> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>

> >>> >>> >> <http://sigads.rediff.com/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/www.rediffmail.com/signatureline.htm@Middle?>

> >>> >>> >> >> > -- > > Sunil Gondhalekar> > www.astrologyask.com> >> > > >>

October 2, 2009

Dear Punit ji, Sunil ji and Friends,

1. Could you kindly give comment on " A practical review on effect of Pluto "

uploaded in the File section, checking what Sunil ji has written in the articles

and posted messages, " Pluto is on 1st cusp aspecting on 7th cusp negating the

marriage. " , in general, a planet, cuspal sub lord or DBA lord, affected by Pluto

by way of aspect, opposition, conj. in any of 4 step within orb, then it gives

the opposite results.

2. Is there available any more practical charts beyond marriageable age affected

by Pluto? Genearlly only prediction in advance for the charts within

marriageable charts has been found.

3. The charts within marriageable age are not in support of the negative effect

of Pluto. One can tell whatever he likes in prediction in advance without

knowing what will be the real outcome.

4. Without study support of a of sufficient number of practical charts,i.e.

without making sure oneself, in my personal opinion, it would be undesirable and

irresponsible to predict negative whatever is in connection with Pluto.

Thanks and regards,

TW

, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Adith ji,

>

> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil ji, I also

> do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love marriage/ happy

> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka <sunilalaka wrote:

>

> >

> > dear adith,

> > thanks for the quick reply.

> > in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.

> > you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who are

> > married at proper or delayed period.

> > retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> > natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking

> > is not as per kp.

> >

> > now about your presented case of marriage

> > 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.

> > there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto

> > is not considered...also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more

> > than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of

> > pluto effect.

> >

> > can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when

> > 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives

> > a early marriage?

> > thanks

> > -sunil gondhalekar

> >

> > <%40>, " adith

> > kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil ji,

> > >

> > > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord of 12 is

> > > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6) and sat is

> > > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level is

> > detrimental

> > > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in Jupiter (

> > R)

> > > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord present, the

> > > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the marraige is

> > > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases study, the

> > > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many cases.

> > Moreover

> > > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star* which also

> > > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study charts which

> > I

> > > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.

> > >

> > > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > Female:

> > > 6/7/1977

> > > 10.25 AM

> > > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > 11n42

> > > 77e53

> > >

> > > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.

> > > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > >

> > > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts crossed 11th

> > > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly signfies 6.*

> > > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited in 11 in

> > its

> > > own sign.

> > > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as your

> > case)*

> > > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > *But no Pluto effect.

> > >

> > > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the signfications of

> > > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord of 5

> > Jupietr

> > > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got married to

> > the

> > > one who she loved. *

> > >

> > > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy marital life

> > > with children.

> > > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Adith

> > >

> > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@>wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > dear subhash,

> > > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many experieced

> > > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM;Aurangabad,19N53,75E20

> > > > Mercury conj.Neptune...Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune

> > > >

> > > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..

> > > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no stability in job

> > > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa

> > > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.

> > > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a Neptune

> > > > Pluto effect.

> > > > thanks

> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > >

> > > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> > > > subhash_ektare@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >>

> > > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > >>

> > > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL signifies any of

> > > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL (which is

> > Shani

> > > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected with Pluto.

> > > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some effect on

> > the

> > > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I understood

> > from

> > > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as experienced by him

> > in

> > > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be promised due

> > to

> > > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.

> > > >>

> > > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get his personal

> > > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now. He has

> > given many

> > > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine " Nakshatrache Dene "

> > edited and

> > > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those articles.

> > > >>

> > > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive. If you can

> > > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of marriage I will

> > be

> > > >> glad to know it.

> > > >>

> > > >> Regards

> > > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > >>

> > > >> ------------------------------

> > > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_vijayanand@>

> > > >> *To:* <%40>

> > > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@; guide_vijayanand@

> > > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials - View from

> > > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > >>

> > > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani aspects

> > Pluto.

> > > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet, aspected

> > planet

> > > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is sigifying

> > > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then aspected

> > planet will

> > > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as well as

> > secondary

> > > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected by pluto,

> > then

> > > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see that when

> > these

> > > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a considerable

> > time. As

> > > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is not having

> > DBAs,

> > > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this case, pluto is

> > not

> > > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though, Sunilji

> > has

> > > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had an

> > occasion to

> > > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted with

> > theknowledge

> > > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to 7th cusp. So

> > not

> > > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another reasons which we

> > canot

> > > >> identify now.

> > > >>

> > > >> With regards.

> > > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The SCientific

> > Socy.for

> > > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtra, India

> > > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+91 9673746303

> > > >> email : guide_vijayanand@

> > > >> vijayanand_astroguide@

> > > >> visit : physics@

> > > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > >> >

> > > >>

> > > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 .......7CSL Sat aspects Pluto

> > to

> > > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question of DBA

> > orstar

> > > >> lord theory did not arise.My understanding of Sunil ji's principle is

> > even

> > > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto the

> > result is

> > > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message #

> > 14157.....It was

> > > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr. Sunil

> > > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of neptune is not yet

> > > >> confirmed.....................................but pluto gives

> > negation " 2. I

> > > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When we say

> > that

> > > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is based on

> > > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has negative

> > effect.

> > > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases should be

> > studied

> > > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such as

> > Rahu/Ketu can

> > > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune, Uranus

> > which have

> > > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects. This idea

> > may

> > > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by research.Subhash

> > > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,

> >

> > > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials - View

> > from

> > > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > >>

> > > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > >>

> > > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star lord

> > theory

> > > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.

> > > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123

> > > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.

> > > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114

> > > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house (there

> > 11th

> > > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage instead of

> > > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.

> > > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157

> > > >>

> > > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji has found

> > any

> > > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of Pluto effect.

> > > >>

> > > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found in KP or

> > > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > >>

> > > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a small satellite

> > can

> > > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea is not in

> > KP.

> > > >>

> > > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > >> TW

> > > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This confirms

> > that

> > > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS

> > > >> > lords. Regards

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > >> >

> > > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > TW

> > > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

> > > >> Gondhelkar

> > > >> >

> > > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123

> > > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114

> > > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157

> > > >> >

> > > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the effects of

> > Pluto

> > > >> also

> > > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more appropriate to

> > > >> study

> > > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than studying

> > its

> > > >> appearance

> > > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years to complete

> > one

> > > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each

> > constellation

> > > >> in about

> > > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of 27

> > > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing its

> > effects.

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable TW ji says

> > > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God Shiva, the

> > > >> creator and

> > > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring deep

> > > >> transformation

> > > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is destruction of

> > > >> anything that

> > > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477). " This

> > shows

> > > >> Pluto's

> > > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune are not

> > > >> considered in KP.

> > > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced such effects

> > in

> > > >> many

> > > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on Pluto's (or

> > > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no research data

> > > >> available. Further

> > > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari Dasha

> > System.

> > > >> Then how

> > > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is conjunction or

> > > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed orb). I would

> > > >> like to request

> > > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is correct or

> > wrong.

> > > >>

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has come

> > across

> > > >> many such

> > > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services for

> > systematic

> > > >> study and

> > > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Regards

> > > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > > TW

> > > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM

> > > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

> > > >> Gondhelkar

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug 2009)

> > Western

> > > >> Experience

> > > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his daughter Deva

> > > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda, Pluto is

> > known as

> > > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey Green said

> > that

> > > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery of soul,

> > > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive side of

> > Pluto

> > > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian profession is

> > > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology, page 46)

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of Pluto and

> > > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0 are

> > checked and

> > > >> found as given under.

> > > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > >> > > H.. Ne.. Pl

> > > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The

> > house-wise

> > > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from the average

> > of 8%,

> > > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise appearance is

> > > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and 8 houses

> > by

> > > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the cause of

> > no

> > > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses. Hence Pluto

> > or

> > > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance in the 7th

> > > >> (marriage) house.

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Findings

> > > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships or

> > Synastry

> > > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not wholly

> > malefic or

> > > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological aspects.

> > Rahu and

> > > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific procedure

> > followed

> > > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to magnify

> > the

> > > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that planet always

> > for

> > > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection carries

> > heavy

> > > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and wealth.

> > (Noel

> > > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or benefic.

> > > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power struggle

> > between

> > > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable

> > consequences, but

> > > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the 7th is not

> > doomed

> > > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to relinquish

> > them

> > > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA charts

> > also

> > > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no marriage.

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to

> > senselessly

> > > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse effects,

> > which

> > > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one hundred

> > > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith Hill in

> > Medical

> > > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Hi

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this horoscope pointing

> > to

> > > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of write ups(

> > in a

> > > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on effect of

> > aspects

> > > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I had almost

> > > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents from his

> > mail(

> > > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto Effects " the extra

> > planetary

> > > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following these

> > planets and

> > > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are considered.

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.

> > > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting Pluto @4

> > > >> degrees.

> > > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good results

> > of

> > > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto effects and

> > when

> > > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i have got

> > many

> > > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.

> > > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM

> > > >> > > > Re: Query on financials

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9. Out of these

> > 8

> > > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close cojunction with

> > the

> > > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of 8.

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in its

> > star).

> > > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further Mercury being in

> > > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.

> > > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the 5(12 to 6)

> > ,8

> > > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and it is

> > being

> > > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star) . But the

> > > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it may

> > signfy the

> > > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign countries. But

> > 5,8,12

> > > >> are detrimental.

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Regards

> > > >> > > > Adith

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman amitbs2002

> > > >> wrote:

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen shot in the

> > .doc

> > > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the cusp chart

> > +

> > > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its significations

> > per 4

> > > >> step are :

> > > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014

> > > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance ),11 & 10. Though

> > 8

> > > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but also shows

> > gain

> > > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he will also

> > > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad economic

> > > >> situation?

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is bad . We

> > see

> > > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012. signification

> > are

> > > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )= 1,7,8,11,4,10, 5

> > + 6

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th sub should

> > > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are signified.

> > Then

> > > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > >Regards

> > > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM

> > > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this time,usingK. P.

> > > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier your

> > analysis

> > > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II as

> > Jupiter...

> > > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the

> > sub-sub

> > > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord

> > > >> respectively. ..!

> > > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this TOB...you

> > will

> > > >> get it right this time....

> > > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM

> > > >> > > > > Query on financials

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > >Hi

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a horoscope of a

> > > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of issues .

> > I

> > > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When i

> > discussed this

> > > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100% wrong on

> > the

> > > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any satisfactory

> > KP

> > > >> reason for it.

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out how he is

> > > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the prospects

> > for

> > > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > >Regards

> > > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > >> > > > >

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> > > > Sunil Gondhalekar

> > > > www.astrologyask.com

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October 2, 2009

Dear Punit ji,I shall give an another example:10/10/19706.33 amVanavasi11n4577e52 (near Salem, TN).The 7th CSL is Saturn. It is the lord of 5 and 6 posited in 7 very close to 8th cusp.

Saturn has no planet in in its star.Saturn is in the star of Sun (the lord of 12 in 12).Sat is in the sub of Moon (the lord of 11 in 4).Moon is in its own star. (4,11)Significations of 7,8,6,5,12,4,11

Moon is in Sat sign. Saturn aspects MoonSaturn is in the sub of MoonMoon is in the sub of Sat.Punarpoo.But Marriage happened at his 21st years. Normal period,Sat lord of 5 and 6 aspects the Lord of 7 Jupiter.

Sat aspects 5th house (its house)Sat aspects the the lord of 11 MoonLord of 11 Moon aspects the 11(its house)All helped him for his Love marriage at the age of 21.Moreover I recall that I have read Sat's Bad aspects to Moon does not

cause Punarpoo. Only conjunction and Good Aspects cause puarpoo, I just

recall from my memory.Both the female and the male of my examples are the Couples.Dear Punit ji, pls do not repeat again that you supect on the Birth details. It may seem you suspect me.Hope we may have to study and learn a lot all the way through our experience. Nothing is ended .

I give you the marriage date: 8/3/1992The first baby DOB: 28/1/1993You can just cross verify.RegardsAdithOn Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: