Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

October 15, 2009

Dear Friends,

The easy and correct way to get the KPNA (2003)is to use the AstroSage KPNA

calculator or the KPNA tables uploaded in the File section. They are the

calculated values by the KPNA (2003) formula and the difference cannot be more

than 1-2 seconds. The values calculated without using the KPNA (2003) formula

cannot be accurate for any date.

A REVIEW OF KP AYANAMSAS.doc (in File section)

REVISIT OF KPA.doc

Regards,

TW

, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha wrote:

>

> Yes my Dear Bhora ji,

>

> Even by following the method you explained, there is a little difference in

KPNA. when tally with the Punit's calculator.

> So I again adjusted the difference.

>

> But this is a difficult task of checking the correctness with some other SW,

each time we need to erect a new chart from JHL.

> Hence there should be a permanent theory for the same.

> Is n't it?

>

> I can remember when there was a discussion on Ayanamsa, My Hon Guruji TW sir

has given various ways and ideas in making correct KPNA. I hope my Guruji TW,

will appear with his formulative solution for this very soon.

>

> Kalyan

>

> ________________________________

> Sudan <msbohra62

>

> Wed, October 14, 2009 8:35:38 AM

> Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

>

> Dear Sunaji,

>

> Basically JHora change per day 0.14 Seconds where as TWji have submitted the

KPNA file in file sections it shows every year it should be 50 second more

moments,which comes every day speed is 0.1369863 changes.And it is not in

similarity as per day speed in KPNA as in that file.What is the reason i could

not understand.

>

> So these software shows some differences but within one year it very minutely

difference so can be negligible.We can use it to adjust every year in setting

for daily use for Horary.

>

> Thanks & regards,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> @gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhora ji,

> >

> > Thank you very very much for your detailed reply

> >

> > Wish you all the best.

> >

> > Kalyan

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Sudan <msbohra62@ ..>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tue, October 13, 2009 6:31:32 PM

> > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> >

> > Dear Sunaparanthaji,

> >

> > Set JHora as below :-

> >

> > In Birth data you select the date 1st Jan,2009 and time 00:00:00. and

coordinates and place of your place.

> >

> > Open Preference >Ayanamsa > select Krishnamurti (KP)> in same window you

will find Add Tab. select " Apply the correction " than below it in " Second " add

22.7000 and click OK. You have done now see the Ayanamsa you will get what KPNA

is ,23-53-33,for 1st Jan;2009.

> >

> > Now click again on Preference Tab,you will find Save Preference select

it.Now your JHora is set for you on KPNA for this year.

> >

> > Now close the programme and reopen it and see on today what Ayanamsa you

have in your JHora and tally it with other software whom you find correct as per

KPNA.

> >

> > In so many year it shows some differences so we can use it with setting for

that year by correcting at " Second " level in Add Tab to get desire KPPNA for

that year.

> >

> > Hope it will helpful.

> >

> > Thanks & regards,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bohra Ji,

> > >

> > > Can you kindly give more explanation for adjusting KPNA in JHL, with an

example.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > >

> > > Kalyan

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Sudan <msbohra62@ ..>

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Tue, October 13, 2009 8:16:58 AM

> > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > >

> > > Dear TWji,

> > >

> > > Every 1st Jan of new year if you set KPNA by correcting to add in seconds

section with choosing Krishnamurti Ayanamsa than set as " Preferences " than you

will get KPNA for full year without any correction every time.

> > >

> > > Ayanamsa > Krishnamurti > Add (Between 22 to 25 second)>second as you get

right KPNA on 1st Jan in software of JHora than > Preference > Save Preference.

> > >

> > > Hope it will helpful.

> > >

> > > Thanks & regards,

> > >

> > > M.S.Bohra

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > Thank you for the step by step explanation.

> > > > What would be the easy and safe way to get the KPNA(2003)?

> > > > Of course, this procedure is for JHora 3.3 version.

> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > TW

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > > The following are the steps: -

> > > > > 1. Click on 'Preferences' .

> > > > > 2.Go to 'Related to calculations' .

> > > > > 3.Select 'Ayanamsa'.

> > > > > 4.Select 'Tropical(sayana) " ayanamsa.

> > > > > 5. In 'customize further' box-

> > > > > a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'

> > > > > b) Select 'Add'.

> > > > > c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.

> > > > > 6. Finally click OK.

> > > > > It is done.

> > > > >

> > > > > Due regards.

> > > > > Dr. Rath

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > TW <tw853@>

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM

> > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > > Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the JHora

positions to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of JHora using

members.

> > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > TW

> > > > >

> > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted according

to own preference.

> > > > > > Dr. Rath.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>

> > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM

> > > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from

Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bohraji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage /

Mykundali. This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all

the SW & they are as good as anbody in the group.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Amit

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM

> > > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from

Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sudan,

> > > > > > I have already mentioned in these columns that the

Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s

SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New

Ayanamsa...

> > > > > > Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be

too much of a difference

> > > > > > Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that

the TOB arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness.

...

> > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Dear G.Singh ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the

sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord

respectively. ..! "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of

Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > > > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Thanks,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >M.S.Bohra

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >@gro ups.com, " G " <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified

my birth time.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> G. Singh

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the

very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something

practically by discussion in the forum.

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> > > > > > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > > > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > > > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > > > > > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage

and seperation

> > > > > > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status

(possibly by lottery gain?)

> > > > > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got

big money

> > > > > > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time

monetary gain;

> > > > > > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very

passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying

abroad getting schorlarship;

> > > > > > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start

of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > >> > TW

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early

marriage and late

> > > > > > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can

see from Adith

> > > > > > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that

early. In her

> > > > > > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is

not true for some

> > > > > > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well

negated by Moon

> > > > > > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from

Adith ji's email.

> > > > > > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP

astrologers who

> > > > > > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > > > > > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were

referring my email

> > > > > > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > > > > > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the

planet that give

> > > > > > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well

as KP.

> > > > > > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth

details before

> > > > > > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not

only bring

> > > > > > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer

should do this

> > > > > > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information

with the source as

> > > > > > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that.

If an

> > > > > > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions

will always remain

> > > > > > >> > > non-reliable.

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is

uploaded in

> > > > > > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do

not really

> > > > > > >> > > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such

cases?>>>It has

> > > > > > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by

conj, aspt or opp

> > > > > > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP

Reader III p 205 (Old

> > > > > > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > > > > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for

delay but

> > > > > > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference,

pl let us know to

> > > > > > >> > > > study in this regard.

> > > > > > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji,

due to 6th and

> > > > > > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and

present the result to

> > > > > > >> > > > the forum.

> > > > > > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in

Vedic. To get a

> > > > > > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12),

Mahatma Gandhi

> > > > > > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali

Zulflikar

> > > > > > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis

(16), King of

> > > > > > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > > > > > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of

any native,

> > > > > > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification

other than having a

> > > > > > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in

the dasa of

> > > > > > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in

the chart, BV

> > > > > > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as

learned from his grand

> > > > > > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of

Jupiter for death.

> > > > > > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek

separation and

> > > > > > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies

6th of partner's

> > > > > > >> > > > walking out.

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > >> > > > TW

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > > > > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > > > > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > > > > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > > > > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the

chart under

> > > > > > >> > > > discussion,

> > > > > > >> > > > > only sign exchange.

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in

Marriage " is

> > > > > > >> > > > uploaded in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > the File section.

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > TW

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <%

40. com>,

> > > > > > >> > > > Punit

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really

delay. " seems

> > > > > > >> > > > very

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo

is something

> > > > > > >> > > > quite

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any

doubt on delaying

> > > > > > >> > > > > > nature

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor

of the marriage

> > > > > > >> > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results

which shows

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either

the birth

> > > > > > >> > > > details

> > > > > > >> > > > > > have

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even

with post-mortem

> > > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your

doubts.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of

the said point

> > > > > > >> > > > seems

> > > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such

conclusion. Sat being

> > > > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > > > >> > > > > > CSL

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there

are many points

> > > > > > >> > > > have

> > > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and

Moon in sat sign

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All

cause Punarpoo

> > > > > > >> > > > > > also. But

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really

delay. may be

> > > > > > >> > > > we

> > > > > > >> > > > > > have to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she

is our Quiz # 1

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Adith

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey

punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As

pointed out by Sunil

> > > > > > >> > > > ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early

marriage/ love

> > > > > > >> > > > marriage/

> > > > > > >> > > > > > happy

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka

sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level

signify

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7

signification.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in

many charts who

> > > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not

in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line

of thinking

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th

also.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect

on pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto

aspect diff.is more

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no

question of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she

loved when

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn

gives

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <%

40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, " adith

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th

CSL Sun is lord

> > > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 12 is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6

(no planet in 6)

> > > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > sat

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by

the star level

> > > > > > >> > > > is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2)

who is again in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Jupiter (

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> R)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7

signfications by sublord

> > > > > > >> > > > > > present,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to

6,10, the

> > > > > > >> > > > marraige

> > > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr.

Rath on few cases

> > > > > > >> > > > > > study,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not

favorable in many

> > > > > > >> > > > cases.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro

planets's star*

> > > > > > >> > > > which

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the

Dr.Rath's study

> > > > > > >> > > > charts

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for

moe analysis.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2)

along with Rahu.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12

(just 9mts

> > > > > > >> > > > crossed

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 11th

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn.

*so strongly

> > > > > > >> > > > > > signfies

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2

and 11 posited

> > > > > > >> > > > in 11

> > > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> its

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the

star of Jupiter (as

> > > > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications

present, the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > signfications

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7

Saturn and the lord

> > > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 5

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is

present), she got

> > > > > > >> > > > married

> > > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is

running a happy

> > > > > > >> > > > marital

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> life

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil

gondhalekar <sunilalaka@

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i

have many

> > > > > > >> > > > experieced

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad,

19N53,75E20

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and

aspects Neptune

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune

effects the native..

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9

houses so no

> > > > > > >> > > > stability

> > > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> job

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss

during the dasa

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is

still unmarried.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in

Jupiter star.. again a

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Neptune

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash

Ektare <

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised

if 7CSL

> > > > > > >> > > > signifies

> > > > > > >> > > > > > any of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8.

However this 7CSL

> > > > > > >> > > > > > (which

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL

is connected

> > > > > > >> > > > with

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely

will have some

> > > > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or

negative). What I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > understood

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative

effect, as

> > > > > > >> > > > experienced

> > > > > > >> > > > > > by

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> him in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances

marriage may not be

> > > > > > >> > > > > > promised

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> due to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I

am wrong.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji

personally and get

> > > > > > >> > > > his

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> personal

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the

same even now.

> > > > > > >> > > > He

> > > > > > >> > > > > > has

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> given many

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the

magazine " Nakshatrache

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Dene "

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have

read those

> > > > > > >> > > > articles.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be

found in archive.

> > > > > > >> > > > If

> > > > > > >> > > > > > you

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for

non-materialization of

> > > > > > >> > > > marriage I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will be

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_

vijayanand@ >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com

<%

> > > > > > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_

vijayanand@

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on

financials -

> > > > > > >> > > > View

> > > > > > >> > > > > > from

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal

sub lord shani

> > > > > > >> > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by

other planet,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > aspected

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets.

Means if 7csl is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other

planet then

> > > > > > >> > > > aspected

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp

or primary as

> > > > > > >> > > > well

> > > > > > >> > > > > > as

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8

being aspected by

> > > > > > >> > > > > > pluto,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> then

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of

marriage. As we see

> > > > > > >> > > > that

> > > > > > >> > > > > > when

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause

delay to a

> > > > > > >> > > > > > considerable

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as

well as it is

> > > > > > >> > > > not

> > > > > > >> > > > > > having

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL

saturn, in this

> > > > > > >> > > > case,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving

results. Though,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> has

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding

Pluto, As I had

> > > > > > >> > > > an

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli

and I delighted

> > > > > > >> > > > with

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no

connecton of pluto to

> > > > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > > > >> > > > > > cusp.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> So not

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will

be another

> > > > > > >> > > > reasons

> > > > > > >> > > > > > which

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President,

Astrovision, The

> > > > > > >> > > > SCientific

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology,

Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114

.........7CSL Sat

> > > > > > >> > > > aspects

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise

marriage question

> > > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > DBA

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding

of Sunil ji's

> > > > > > >> > > > > > principle

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is even

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA

lords aspect Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> result is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am

wrong.In message #

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In

thismessage also Mr.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of

neptune is not yet

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... .........

........but pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > gives

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this

point.3. Agreed.4. When

> > > > > > >> > > > we

> > > > > > >> > > > > > say

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the

rationale? This is

> > > > > > >> > > > based

> > > > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed

that Pluto has

> > > > > > >> > > > negative

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient

number of cases

> > > > > > >> > > > > > should be

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studied

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When

shadow planets such

> > > > > > >> > > > as

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets

Pluto, Neptune,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Uranus

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which have

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to

alter/reverse the effects.

> > > > > > >> > > > This

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if

proved by

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday,

September 27,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re:

Query on financials

> > > > > > >> > > > -

> > > > > > >> > > > > > View

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing

about DBA or star

> > > > > > >> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theory

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to

deny marriage.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 16123

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect

on Pluto to deny

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 16114

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite

result for the house

> > > > > > >> > > > > > (there

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to

give no marriage

> > > > > > >> > > > > > instead

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not

give marriage.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 14157

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify

whether Sunil ji

> > > > > > >> > > > has

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> found any

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his

presentations of

> > > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely

malefic is not found

> > > > > > >> > > > in KP

> > > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale

of such a small

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets.

Such kind of idea

> > > > > > >> > > > is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash

Ektare wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's

interpretation. This

> > > > > > >> > > > > > confirms

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through

aspects of DBAS

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11

AM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on

financials - View from

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > > > > >> > > > 16123

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > > > > >> > > > 16114

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > > > > >> > > > 14157

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com,

Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While

studying the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > effects of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It

would be more

> > > > > > >> > > > > > appropriate

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every

constellation rather than

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes

about 248 years

> > > > > > >> > > > to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it

traverses each

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed

only 9 out of

> > > > > > >> > > > 27

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough

data for analyzing

> > > > > > >> > > > its

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August

2009 Honorable

> > > > > > >> > > > TW ji

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> says

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that

of Hindu God

> > > > > > >> > > > Shiva,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it

begins to bring

> > > > > > >> > > > deep

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the

first step is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > destruction

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in

Transit Page 477). "

> > > > > > >> > > > > > This

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of

Pluto and Neptune

> > > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar

has experienced

> > > > > > >> > > > such

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is

not based on

> > > > > > >> > > > Pluto's

> > > > > > >> > > > > > (or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as

there is no

> > > > > > >> > > > research

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> data

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place

in Vimshottari

> > > > > > >> > > > Dasha

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> System..

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can

think of is

> > > > > > >> > > > conjunction

> > > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course

within prescribed

> > > > > > >> > > > orb). I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> would

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether

my concept is

> > > > > > >> > > > correct

> > > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil

Gondhalekar ji that he has

> > > > > > >> > > > > > come

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> across

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to

offer my services

> > > > > > >> > > > for

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his

guidance.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009

12:10:05 PM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on

financials - View

> > > > > > >> > > > from

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always

Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 2009)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Western

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of

Jeffrey Green, his

> > > > > > >> > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor,

Paramahansa Yogananda,

> > > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> known as

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological

chart. Jeffrey

> > > > > > >> > > > Green

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> said that

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to

mange the mystery

> > > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within

evolution. A positive

> > > > > > >> > > > > > side of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common

Plutonian

> > > > > > >> > > > > > profession is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays

on Astrology,

> > > > > > >> > > > page

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 46)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus

house-wise appearance of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of

AstroDatabank 4.0

> > > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is

(1/12=) 8%. The

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly

different from

> > > > > > >> > > > the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the

house-wise

> > > > > > >> > > > > > appearance is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8%

for the 2, 7 and

> > > > > > >> > > > 8

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far

below to be the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > cause

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of no

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7

and 8 houses.

> > > > > > >> > > > Hence

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by

mere appearance

> > > > > > >> > > > in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto

and Relationships

> > > > > > >> > > > or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references,

Pluto is not

> > > > > > >> > > > wholly

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and

astrological

> > > > > > >> > > > > > aspects.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight

points specific

> > > > > > >> > > > > > procedure

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> followed

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239.

Pluto is supposed to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > magnify

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the

results of that

> > > > > > >> > > > planet

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> always for

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the

Pluto-Saturn connection

> > > > > > >> > > > > > carries

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection

provides success and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > wealth.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly

malefic or

> > > > > > >> > > > benefic.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally

indicates power

> > > > > > >> > > > > > struggle

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> between

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with

possible undesirable

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly

Neptune in the

> > > > > > >> > > > 7th is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not

condemned by karma to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > relinquish

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> them

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An

observation of the AA

> > > > > > >> > > > > > charts

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the

cause of no

> > > > > > >> > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore

undesirable to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with

Pluto's adverse

> > > > > > >> > > > > > effects,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring

a minimum of one

> > > > > > >> > > > > > hundred

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as

mentioned by Judith

> > > > > > >> > > > Hill

> > > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit

Soman wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji

on this

> > > > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also

remember a couple of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > write

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009

Vasantik issue )on

> > > > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > > > >> > > > > > of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely

-ve effects . I

> > > > > > >> > > > had

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> almost

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for

reminding.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am

pasting the contents

> > > > > > >> > > > from

> > > > > > >> > > > > > his

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto

Effects " the

> > > > > > >> > > > extra

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but

i am following

> > > > > > >> > > > these

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there

effects are

> > > > > > >> > > > considered.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto

within 3 deg.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter

also aspecting

> > > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > @4

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are

not offering good

> > > > > > >> > > > > > results

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive

results

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure

about pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > effects

> > > > > > >> > > > > > and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> when

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali

2008 issue and i

> > > > > > >> > > > have

> > > > > > >> > > > > > got

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> many

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto

effects.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k

gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009

2:33:43 AM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on

financials

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the

lord of 7,8,9.

> > > > > > >> > > > Out of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who

is in close

> > > > > > >> > > > > > cojunction

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> with the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by

satrun the lord of

> > > > > > >> > > > 8.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies

11(no planet in

> > > > > > >> > > > its

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> star).

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12

Mercury. Further

> > > > > > >> > > > Mercury

> > > > > > >> > > > > > being

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12

in 11.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable

signficators of 6,10, the

> > > > > > >> > > > 5(12

> > > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are

not favorable and

> > > > > > >> > > > it

> > > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> being

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no

planet in its star)

> > > > > > >> > > > .

> > > > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be

taken as bad, as it

> > > > > > >> > > > may

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related

to foreign

> > > > > > >> > > > countries.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit

Soman

> > > > > > >> > > > amitbs2002@

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman

included below]

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am

attaching a screen

> > > > > > >> > > > shot in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33

( i prepare the

> > > > > > >> > > > cusp

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub

is Sa. Its

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to

8-11-2014

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8(

inheritance

> > > > > > >> > > > ),11 & 10.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in

profession but

> > > > > > >> > > > also

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if

partner is gaining he

> > > > > > >> > > > will

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the

reason for bad

> > > > > > >> > > > > > economic

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09.

After that it is

> > > > > > >> > > > bad

> > > > > > >> > > > > > .

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> We see

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to

23-04-2012.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > signification

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> are

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect

(4)(8)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB (

Sat + Ra )=

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning

we say that 10th

> > > > > > >> > > > sub

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> should

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we

find 6,10,11 are

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009

11:05:09 AM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on

financials

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for

this

> > > > > > >> > > > time,usingK. P.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as

Saturn...earlier

> > > > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the

sublord of II

> > > > > > >> > > > as

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT

TOB,the sublord

> > > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the

Moon's starlord and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth

chart for this

> > > > > > >> > > > > > TOB...you

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 (AT) (DOT)

com>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009

6:44:11 PM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on

financials

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was

working on a

> > > > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > > > >> > > > > > of a

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation

for a couple of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > issues

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> . I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of

his life. When

> > > > > > >> > > > i

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not.

BUT i was 100%

> > > > > > >> > > > > > wrong on

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable

to find any

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the

group can point out

> > > > > > >> > > > how

> > > > > > >> > > > > > he

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10

yrs? What are the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> <

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > http://sigads. rediff.com/ RealMedia/ ads/click_

nx.ads/www. rediffmail. com/signaturelin e.htm@Middle

> > > > > > >> > > > ?

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > --

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask. com

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

> > >

> > > http://mail.

> > >

> >

>

October 16, 2009

Dear Bohraji,

Instead of doing as you say, one may select "Sayana" option and add tha NKPA directly for the day. It shall be more easy.

Dr. Rath

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha Sent: Tue, October 13, 2009 9:24:32 PMRe: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

Dear Bhora ji,Thank you very very much for your detailed replyWish you all the best.Kalyan

Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comTue, October 13, 2009 6:31:32 PM Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

Dear Sunaparanthaji,Set JHora as below :-In Birth data you select the date 1st Jan,2009 and time 00:00:00. and coordinates and place of your place.Open Preference >Ayanamsa > select Krishnamurti (KP)> in same window you will find Add Tab. select "Apply the correction" than below it in "Second" add 22.7000 and click OK. You have done now see the Ayanamsa you will get what KPNA is ,23-53-33,for 1st Jan;2009.Now click again on Preference Tab,you will find Save Preference select it.Now your JHora is set for you on KPNA for this year.Now close the programme and reopen it and see on today what Ayanamsa you have in your JHora and tally it with other software whom you find correct as per KPNA.In so many year it shows some differences so we can use it with setting for that year by correcting at "Second" level in Add Tab to get desire KPPNA for that year.Hope it will helpful.Thanks &

regards,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bohra Ji,> > Can you kindly give more explanation for adjusting KPNA in JHL, with an example.> > Thanks and Regards> > Kalyan> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Sudan <msbohra62@. ..>> @gro ups.com> Tue, October 13, 2009 8:16:58 AM> Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > Dear TWji,> > Every 1st Jan of new year if you set KPNA by correcting to

add in seconds section with choosing Krishnamurti Ayanamsa than set as "Preferences" than you will get KPNA for full year without any correction every time.> > Ayanamsa > Krishnamurti > Add (Between 22 to 25 second)>second as you get right KPNA on 1st Jan in software of JHora than > Preference > Save Preference.> > Hope it will helpful.> > Thanks & regards,> > M.S.Bohra> > @gro ups.com, "TW" <tw853@> wrote:> >> > Dear Friend,> > Thank you for the step by step explanation.> > What would be the easy and safe way to get the KPNA(2003)?> > Of course, this procedure is for JHora 3.3 version.> > Thanks and regards,> > TW> > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ > wrote:> > >> > > Respected

Sir,> > > The following are the steps: -> > > 1. Click on 'Preferences' .> > > 2.Go to 'Related to calculations' .> > > 3.Select 'Ayanamsa'.> > > 4.Select 'Tropical(sayana) " ayanamsa.> > > 5. In 'customize further' box-> > > a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'> > > b) Select 'Add'.> > > c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.> > > 6. Finally click OK.> > > It is done.> > > > > > Due regards.> > > Dr. Rath> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > TW <tw853@>> > > @gro ups.com> > > Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM> > > Re: Query on

financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > > > > Dear Friend,> > > Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the JHora positions to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of JHora using members.> > > Thanks and regards,> > > TW > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted according to own preference.> > > > Dr. Rath.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM>

> > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bohraji> > > > > > > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali. This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW & they are as good as anbody in the group.> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > Amit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM> > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sudan,> > > > I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New Ayanamsa...> > > > Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much of a difference > > > > Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..> > > > Yogesh Lajmi> > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > >

>@gro ups.com> > > > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >Dear G.Singh ji,> > > > >> > > > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-> > > > >> > > > >" Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively. ..!"> > > > >> > > > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?> > > > >> > > > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa> > > > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa> > > > >> > > > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP

Ayanamsa.> > > > >> > > > >Thanks,> > > > >> > > > >M.S.Bohra> > > > >> > > > >@gro ups.com, "G" <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:> > > > >>> > > > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth time.> > > > >> > > > > >> G. Singh> > > > >> > > > > >> @gro ups.com, "TW" <tw853@> wrote:> > > > >> >> > > > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,> > > > >> > > > > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by discussion in the

forum.> > > > >> > > > > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:> > > > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> > > > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> > > > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect > > > > >> > > > > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.> > > > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation> > > > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?) > > > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money> > > > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;> > > > >> > 5)

May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;> > > > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.> > > > >> > > > > > >> > Thanks and regards,> > > > >> > TW > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > Dear Tw ji,> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > >

Please note my views on each mentioned point -> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and late> > > > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith> > > > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her> > > > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some> > > > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon> > > > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.> > > > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who> > > > >> > > do that. You

can see the forum archive for the same.> > > > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email> > > > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.> > > > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give> > > > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.> > > > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before> > > > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring> > > > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this> > > > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as> > > >

>> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an> > > > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always remain> > > > >> > > non-reliable.> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Punit Pandey> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > > > >> > > >> >

> > >> > > > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in> > > > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really> > > > >> > > > delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has> > > > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp> > > > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old> > > > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.> > > > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but> > > > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to> > > > >> > > >

study in this regard.> > > > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and> > > > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to> > > > >> > > > the forum.> > > > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a> > > > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi> > > > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar> > > > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of> > > > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.> > > > >> > > > 5. Any

astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,> > > > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a> > > > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of> > > > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV> > > > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand> > > > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.> > > > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and> > > > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's> > > > >> > > >

walking out.> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > >> > > > TW> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -> > > > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn> > > > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th> > > > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo

(> > > > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under> > > > >> > > > discussion,> > > > >> > > > > only sign exchange.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > > > >> > >

> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is> > > > >> > > > uploaded in> > > > >> > > > > > the File section.> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > >> > > > > > TW> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,> > > > >> > > > Punit> > > >

>> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems> > > > >> > > > very> > > > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something> > > > >> > > > quite> > > > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying> > > > >> > > > > > nature> > > > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the

primary factor of the marriage> > > > >> > > > > > delay.> > > > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows> > > > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth> > > > >> > > > details> > > > >> > > > > > have> > > > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem> > > > >> > > > and> > > > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <> > > > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >

>> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point> > > > >> > > > seems> > > > >> > > > > > to> > > > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being> > > > >> > > > 7th> > > > >> > > > > > CSL> > > > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points> > > > >> > > > have> > > > >> > > > > > to> > > > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign> > > > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All

cause Punarpoo> > > > >> > > > > > also. But> > > > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be> > > > >> > > > we> > > > >> > > > > > have to> > > > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1> > > > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > >> > > > > > > > Adith> > > >

>> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil> > > > >> > > > ji,> > > > >> > > > > > I> > > > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love> > > > >> > > >

marriage/> > > > >> > > > > > happy> > > > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > >> >

> > > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who> > > > >> > > > are> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in> > > > >> > > >

> > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of> > > > >> > > > >

> > >>> pluto effect.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%>

> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, "adith> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord> > > > >> > > > of> > > > >> > > > > > 12 is> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of

sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)> > > > >> > > > and> > > > >> > > > > > sat> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level> > > > >> > > > is> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in> > > > >> > > > > > Jupiter (> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> R)> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord> > > >

>> > > > > > present,> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the> > > > >> > > > marraige> > > > >> > > > > > is> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases> > > > >> > > > > > study,> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many> > > > >> > > > cases.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover> > > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*> > > > >> > > > which> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study> > > > >> > > > charts> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which I> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

*7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts> > > > >> > > > crossed> > > > >> > > > > > 11th> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly> > > > >> > > > > > signfies> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited> > > > >> > > > in 11> > > > >> > > > > > in> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> its> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

*Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as> > > > >> > > > > > your> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the> > > > >> > > > > > signfications> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > >> > >

> > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord> > > > >> > > > of> > > > >> > > > > > 5> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got> > > > >> > > > married> > > > >> > > > > > to> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy> > >

> >> > > > marital> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> life> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar

<sunilalaka@> > > > >> > > > > > >wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many> > > > >> > > > experieced> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no> > > > >> > > > stability> > > > >> > > > > > in> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

job> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a> > > > >> > > > > > Neptune> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL> > > > >> > > > signifies> > > > >> > > > > > any of> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL> > > > >> > > > > > (which> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected> > > > >> > > > with> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some> > > > >> > > > effect> > > > >> > > > > > on> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be

positive or negative). What I> > > > >> > > > > > understood> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as> > > > >> > > > experienced> > > > >> > > > > > by> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> him in> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be> > > > >> > > > > > promised> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> due to> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get> > > > >> > > > his> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> personal> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.> > > > >> > > > He> > > > >> > > > > > has> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> given many> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache> > > > >> > > > > > Dene"> > > > >> > > >

> > > >>> edited and> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those> > > > >> > > > articles.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.> > > > >> > > > If> > > > >> > > > > > you> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of> > > > >> > > > marriage I> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will be> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%> > > > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_

system%> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -> > > > >> > > > View> > > > >> > > > > > from> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani> > > > >> > > > > > aspects> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,> > > > >> > > > > > aspected> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then> > > > >> > > > aspected> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as> > > > >> > > > well> > > > >> > > > > > as> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected by> > > > >> > > > > > pluto,> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> then> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or

denial of marriage. As we see> > > > >> > > > that> > > > >> > > > > > when> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a> > > > >> > > > > > considerable> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is> > > > >> > > > not> > > > >> > > > > > having> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto

has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this> > > > >> > > > case,> > > > >> > > > > > pluto> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,> > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> has> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had> > > > >> > > > an> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I

delighted> > > > >> > > > with> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to> > > > >> > > > 7th> > > > >> > > > > > cusp.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> So not> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another> > > > >> > > > reasons> > > > >> > > > > > which> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.> > > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The> > > > >> > > > SCientific> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui

de@> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 ........7CSL Sat> > > > >> > > > aspects> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question> >

> > >> > > > of> > > > >> > > > > > DBA> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of Sunil ji's> > > > >> > > > > > principle> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is even> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto> > > > >> > > > the> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> result is> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message #> > > > >> > > > >

> > >>> 14157.....It was> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr.> > > > >> > > > > > Sunil> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... ......... .......but pluto> > > > >> > > > gives> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> negation"2. I> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When> > > > >> > > > we> > > > >> > > > > > say> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> that> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is> > > > >> > > > based> > > > >> > > > > > on> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has> > > > >> > > > negative> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases> > > > >> > > > > > should be> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studied> > > > >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such> > > > >> > > > as> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,> > > > >> > > > > > Uranus> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which have> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.> > > > >> > > > This> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials> > > > >> > > > -> > > > >> > > > > > View> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star> > > > >> > > > > > lord> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theory> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house> > > > >> > > > > > (there> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no

marriage> > > > >> > > > > > instead> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji> > > > >> > > > has> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> found any> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of> > > > >> > > > Pluto> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found> > > > >> > > > in KP> > > > >> > > > > > or> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a small> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

satellite can> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea> > > > >> > > > is> > > > >> > > > > > not> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> > Respected TW ji,> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This> > > > >> > > > > > confirms> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from> > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji> > > > >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > > > >> > > > 16123> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > > > >> > > > 16114> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> >

> > >> > > > 14157> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the> > > > >> > > > > > effects of> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> also> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more> > > > >> > > > > > appropriate> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> to> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years> > > > >> > > > to> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of> > > > >> > > > 27> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations.

Therefore> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing> > > > >> > > > its> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable> > > > >> > > > TW ji> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> says> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God> > > > >> > > > Shiva,> > > > >> > > > > > the> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring> > > > >> > > > deep> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is> > > > >> > > > > > destruction> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477).">

> > > >> > > > > > This> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune> > > > >> > > > are> > > > >> > > > > > not> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has

experienced> > > > >> > > > such> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on> > > > >> > > > Pluto's> > > > >> > > > > > (or> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no> > > > >> > > > research> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> data> > > > >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> available.. Further> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari> > > > >> > > > Dasha> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> System..> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is> > > > >> > > > conjunction> > > > >> > > > > > or> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within

prescribed> > > > >> > > > orb). I> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> would> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is> > > > >> > > > correct> > > > >> > > > > > or> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has> > > >

>> > > > > > come> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> across> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services> > > > >> > > > for> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

Regards> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM> > > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View> > > > >> > > > from> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug> > > > >> > > > > > 2009)> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Western> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

Experience> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his> > > > >> > > > > > daughter> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,> > > > >> > > > Pluto> > > > >> > > > > > is> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> known as> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey> > > > >> > > > Green> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> said that> > > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery> > > > >> > > > of> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive> > > > >> > > > > > side of> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian> > > > >> > > > > > profession is> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,> > > > >> > > >

page> > > > >> > > > > > 46)> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of> > > > >> > > > > > Pluto> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> and> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0> > > > >> > > > are> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found

as given under.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2> > > > >> > > >

> > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from> > > > >> > > > the> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise> > > > >> > > > > > appearance is> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and> > > > >> > > > 8> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the> > > > >> > > >

> > cause> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of no> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.> > > > >> > > > Hence> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance> > > > >> > > > in> > > > >> > > > > > the> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> > > Findings> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships> > > > >> > > > or> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not> > > > >> > > > wholly> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological> > > > >> > > > > > aspects.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and> > > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific> > > > >> > > > > > procedure> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> followed> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to> > > > >> > > > > > magnify> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that> > > > >> > > > planet> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> always for> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's

experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection> > > > >> > > > > > carries> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and> > > > >> > > > > > wealth.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or> > > > >> > > > benefic.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power> > > > >> > > > > > struggle> > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> between> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the> > > > >> > > > 7th is> > > > >> > > > > > not> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to> > > > >> > > > > > relinquish> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> them> > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA> > > > >> > > > > > charts> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no> > > > >> > > > > > marriage.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse> > > > >>

> > > > > effects,> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one> > > > >> > > > > > hundred> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith> > > > >> > > > Hill> > > > >> > > > > > in> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this> > > > >> > > > horoscope> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of> > > > >> >

> > > > write> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on> > > > >> > > > effect> > > > >> > > > > > of> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I> > > > >> > > > had> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> almost> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents> > > > >> > > > from> > > > >> > > > > > his> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto Effects" the> > > > >> > > > extra> > > > >> > > > >

> > >>> planetary> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following> > > > >> > > > these> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are> > > > >> > > > considered.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting> > > >

>> > > > Pluto> > > > >> > > > > > @4> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good> > > > >> > > > > > results> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto> > > > >> > > > effects> > > >

>> > > > > > and> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> when> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i> > > > >> > > > have> > > > >> > > > > > got> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> many> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > Re: Query on financials> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.> > > > >> > > > Out of> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.> > > > >> > > >

> > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close> > > > >> > > > > > cojunction> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> with the> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of> > > > >> > > > 8.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in> > > > >> > > > its> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> star).> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka

house.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further> > > > >> > > > Mercury> > > > >> > > > > > being> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the> > > > >> > > > 5(12> > > > >> > > > > > to> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to

10),12 are not favorable and> > > > >> > > > it> > > > >> > > > > > is> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> being> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)> > > > >> > > > .> > > > >> > > > > > But> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it> > > > >> > > > may> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or

profession related to foreign> > > > >> > > > countries.> > > > >> > > > > > But> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman> > > > >> > > >

amitbs2002@> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,> > > > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen> > > > >> > > > shot in> > > > >> > > > > > the> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the> > > > >> > > > cusp> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014> > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance> > > > >> > > > ),11 & 10.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but> > > > >> > > > also> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he> > > > >> >

> > will> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad> > > > >> > > > > > economic> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is> > > > >> > > > bad> > > > >> > > > > > .> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> We see> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there

is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.> > > > >> > > > > > signification> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> are> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

>Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=> > > > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th> > > > >> > > > sub> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> should> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing

professionally good?> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,> > > > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this> > > > >> > > > time,usingK. P.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier> > > > >> > > > > > your> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II> > > > >> > > > as> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...> > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord> > > > >> > > > and> > > > >> > > > > > the> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this> > > > >> > > > > > TOB...you> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will> > > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a> > > > >> > > > horoscope> > > > >> > > > > > of a> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of> > > > >> > > > > > issues> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> . I> > > > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When> > > > >> > > > i> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%> > > > >> > > > > > wrong on> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out> > > > >> > > > how> > > > >> > > > > > he> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details

are> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> <> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > http://sigads. rediff.com/ RealMedia/ ads/click_ nx.ads/www. rediffmail. com/signaturelin

e.htm@Middle> > > > >> > > > ?> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > --> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask. com> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >

>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __> > > http://mail. >

October 16, 2009

Dear Dr.Rath,

My all exercise for,Can we adjust once Jhora for all time so this software give

us KPNA or very near which is negligible.

Now I have interesting data,

On 1st Jan;1962 KPNA is 23-14-11 Jhora shows 23-14-09.58

It is by once setting,what is difference 1.42 Seconds !It is really a matter of

worry ?I set JHora on date 1st Jan;2009 to add 22.7016 Seconds.

See further data,

On 1st Jan;2010 KPNA is 23-54-23 where Jhora shows 23-54-23.25

On 1st Jan;2011 KPNA is 23-55-14 where Jhora shows 23-55-13.51

As like this,

On 1st Jan;2017 KPNA is 24-00-15 where Jhoes shows 24-99-15.32

On 1st Jan;2030 KPNA is 24-11-09 where Jhora shows 24-11-09.10

On 1st Jan;2040 KPNA is 24-19-31 where Jhora shows 24-19-31.99

What is the differences between these two ,Is it not negligible ?

Jhora is free and have so many other functions if we can use it for KP than it

is very useful tool for KP followers.

When you cast the chart for Horary(Question)or for RPs you instantly open the

software and without any correction you get every thing,it is matter for all

exercise.Now make correction at once in your Jhora and see the result.

Thanks & regards,

M.S.Bohra

, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

>

> Dear Bohraji,

> Instead of doing as you say, one may select " Sayana " option and add tha NKPA

directly for the day. It shall be more easy.

> Dr. Rath

>

> ________________________________

> Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha

>

> Tue, October 13, 2009 9:24:32 PM

> Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

>

> Dear Bhora ji,

>

> Thank you very very much for your detailed reply

>

> Wish you all the best.

>

> Kalyan

>

> ________________________________

> Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> @gro ups.com

> Tue, October 13, 2009 6:31:32 PM

> Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

>

> Dear Sunaparanthaji,

>

> Set JHora as below :-

>

> In Birth data you select the date 1st Jan,2009 and time 00:00:00. and

coordinates and place of your place.

>

> Open Preference >Ayanamsa > select Krishnamurti (KP)> in same window you will

find Add Tab. select " Apply the correction " than below it in " Second " add

22.7000 and click OK. You have done now see the Ayanamsa you will get what KPNA

is ,23-53-33,for 1st Jan;2009.

>

> Now click again on Preference Tab,you will find Save Preference select it.Now

your JHora is set for you on KPNA for this year.

>

> Now close the programme and reopen it and see on today what Ayanamsa you have

in your JHora and tally it with other software whom you find correct as per

KPNA.

>

> In so many year it shows some differences so we can use it with setting for

that year by correcting at " Second " level in Add Tab to get desire KPPNA for

that year.

>

> Hope it will helpful.

>

> Thanks & regards,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> @gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bohra Ji,

> >

> > Can you kindly give more explanation for adjusting KPNA in JHL, with an

example.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> >

> > Kalyan

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Sudan <msbohra62@ ..>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tue, October 13, 2009 8:16:58 AM

> > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> >

> > Dear TWji,

> >

> > Every 1st Jan of new year if you set KPNA by correcting to add in seconds

section with choosing Krishnamurti Ayanamsa than set as " Preferences " than you

will get KPNA for full year without any correction every time.

> >

> > Ayanamsa > Krishnamurti > Add (Between 22 to 25 second)>second as you get

right KPNA on 1st Jan in software of JHora than > Preference > Save Preference.

> >

> > Hope it will helpful.

> >

> > Thanks & regards,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

> > @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friend,

> > > Thank you for the step by step explanation.

> > > What would be the easy and safe way to get the KPNA(2003)?

> > > Of course, this procedure is for JHora 3.3 version.

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > > TW

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > The following are the steps: -

> > > > 1. Click on 'Preferences' .

> > > > 2.Go to 'Related to calculations' .

> > > > 3.Select 'Ayanamsa'.

> > > > 4.Select 'Tropical(sayana) " ayanamsa.

> > > > 5. In 'customize further' box-

> > > > a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'

> > > > b) Select 'Add'.

> > > > c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.

> > > > 6. Finally click OK.

> > > > It is done.

> > > >

> > > > Due regards.

> > > > Dr. Rath

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > TW <tw853@>

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM

> > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the JHora

positions to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of JHora using

members.

> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > TW

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted according to

own preference.

> > > > > Dr. Rath.

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM

> > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bohraji

> > > > >

> > > > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage /

Mykundali. This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all

the SW & they are as good as anbody in the group.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Amit

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM

> > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sudan,

> > > > > I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa used by

J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s SW...for best

results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New Ayanamsa...

> > > > > Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much of a

difference

> > > > > Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB arrived at by

him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..

> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Dear G.Singh ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub

lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord

respectively. ..! "

> > > > > >

> > > > > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of

Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Thanks,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >M.S.Bohra

> > > > > >

> > > > > >@gro ups.com, " G " <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my

birth time.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> G. Singh

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very

interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically

by discussion in the forum.

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> > > > > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > > > > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and

seperation

> > > > > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status

(possibly by lottery gain?)

> > > > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got

big money

> > > > > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time

monetary gain;

> > > > > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very

passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying

abroad getting schorlarship;

> > > > > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start

of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > >> > TW

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early

marriage and late

> > > > > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can

see from Adith

> > > > > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early.

In her

> > > > > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not

true for some

> > > > > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well

negated by Moon

> > > > > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith

ji's email.

> > > > > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP

astrologers who

> > > > > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > > > > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were

referring my email

> > > > > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > > > > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet

that give

> > > > > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as

KP.

> > > > > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth

details before

> > > > > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not

only bring

> > > > > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer

should do this

> > > > > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with

the source as

> > > > > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that.

If an

> > > > > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will

always remain

> > > > > >> > > non-reliable.

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is

uploaded in

> > > > > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not

really

> > > > > >> > > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such

cases?>>>It has

> > > > > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by

conj, aspt or opp

> > > > > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP Reader

III p 205 (Old

> > > > > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > > > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for

delay but

> > > > > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl

let us know to

> > > > > >> > > > study in this regard.

> > > > > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due

to 6th and

> > > > > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and

present the result to

> > > > > >> > > > the forum.

> > > > > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in

Vedic. To get a

> > > > > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12),

Mahatma Gandhi

> > > > > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali

Zulflikar

> > > > > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis

(16), King of

> > > > > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > > > > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of

any native,

> > > > > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other

than having a

> > > > > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in

the dasa of

> > > > > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the

chart, BV

> > > > > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned

from his grand

> > > > > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of

Jupiter for death.

> > > > > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek

separation and

> > > > > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th

of partner's

> > > > > >> > > > walking out.

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > >> > > > TW

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@>

wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > > > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > > > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > > > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > > > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart

under

> > > > > >> > > > discussion,

> > > > > >> > > > > only sign exchange.

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in

Marriage " is

> > > > > >> > > > uploaded in

> > > > > >> > > > > > the File section.

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >> > > > > > TW

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <%

40. com>,

> > > > > >> > > > Punit

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really

delay. " seems

> > > > > >> > > > very

> > > > > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo

is something

> > > > > >> > > > quite

> > > > > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any

doubt on delaying

> > > > > >> > > > > > nature

> > > > > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of

the marriage

> > > > > >> > > > > > delay.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which

shows

> > > > > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either

the birth

> > > > > >> > > > details

> > > > > >> > > > > > have

> > > > > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with

post-mortem

> > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > > > > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of

the said point

> > > > > >> > > > seems

> > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such

conclusion. Sat being

> > > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > > >> > > > > > CSL

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there

are many points

> > > > > >> > > > have

> > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon

in sat sign

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All

cause Punarpoo

> > > > > >> > > > > > also. But

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really

delay. may be

> > > > > >> > > > we

> > > > > >> > > > > > have to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is

our Quiz # 1

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Adith

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@

wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed

out by Sunil

> > > > > >> > > > ji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > I

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early

marriage/ love

> > > > > >> > > > marriage/

> > > > > >> > > > > > happy

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka

sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7

signification.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in

many charts who

> > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not

in

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line

of thinking

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th

also.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect

on pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect

diff.is more

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no

question of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she

loved when

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn

gives

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <%

40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, " adith

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th

CSL Sun is lord

> > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > >> > > > > > 12 is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no

planet in 6)

> > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > >> > > > > > sat

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by

the star level

> > > > > >> > > > is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who

is again in

> > > > > >> > > > > > Jupiter (

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> R)

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications

by sublord

> > > > > >> > > > > > present,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to

6,10, the

> > > > > >> > > > marraige

> > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath

on few cases

> > > > > >> > > > > > study,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not

favorable in many

> > > > > >> > > > cases.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro

planets's star*

> > > > > >> > > > which

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the

Dr.Rath's study

> > > > > >> > > > charts

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which I

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for

moe analysis.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along

with Rahu.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12

(just 9mts

> > > > > >> > > > crossed

> > > > > >> > > > > > 11th

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn.

*so strongly

> > > > > >> > > > > > signfies

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2

and 11 posited

> > > > > >> > > > in 11

> > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> its

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star

of Jupiter (as

> > > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications

present, the

> > > > > >> > > > > > signfications

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7

Saturn and the lord

> > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > >> > > > > > 5

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is

present), she got

> > > > > >> > > > married

> > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is

running a happy

> > > > > >> > > > marital

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> life

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil

gondhalekar <sunilalaka@

> > > > > >> > > > > > >wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i

have many

> > > > > >> > > > experieced

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad,

19N53,75E20

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and

aspects Neptune

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune

effects the native..

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses

so no

> > > > > >> > > > stability

> > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> job

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss

during the dasa

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is

still unmarried.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter

star.. again a

> > > > > >> > > > > > Neptune

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare

<

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if

7CSL

> > > > > >> > > > signifies

> > > > > >> > > > > > any of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8.

However this 7CSL

> > > > > >> > > > > > (which

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL

is connected

> > > > > >> > > > with

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely

will have some

> > > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or

negative). What I

> > > > > >> > > > > > understood

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative

effect, as

> > > > > >> > > > experienced

> > > > > >> > > > > > by

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> him in

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage

may not be

> > > > > >> > > > > > promised

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> due to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I

am wrong.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji

personally and get

> > > > > >> > > > his

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> personal

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the

same even now.

> > > > > >> > > > He

> > > > > >> > > > > > has

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> given many

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine

" Nakshatrache

> > > > > >> > > > > > Dene "

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read

those

> > > > > >> > > > articles.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be

found in archive.

> > > > > >> > > > If

> > > > > >> > > > > > you

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for

non-materialization of

> > > > > >> > > > marriage I

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will be

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_

vijayanand@ >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%

> > > > > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_

vijayanand@

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on

financials -

> > > > > >> > > > View

> > > > > >> > > > > > from

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub

lord shani

> > > > > >> > > > > > aspects

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by

other planet,

> > > > > >> > > > > > aspected

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets.

Means if 7csl is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other

planet then

> > > > > >> > > > aspected

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or

primary as

> > > > > >> > > > well

> > > > > >> > > > > > as

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8

being aspected by

> > > > > >> > > > > > pluto,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> then

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of

marriage. As we see

> > > > > >> > > > that

> > > > > >> > > > > > when

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause

delay to a

> > > > > >> > > > > > considerable

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as

well as it is

> > > > > >> > > > not

> > > > > >> > > > > > having

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL

saturn, in this

> > > > > >> > > > case,

> > > > > >> > > > > > pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving

results. Though,

> > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> has

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding

Pluto, As I had

> > > > > >> > > > an

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and

I delighted

> > > > > >> > > > with

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton

of pluto to

> > > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > > >> > > > > > cusp.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> So not

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be

another

> > > > > >> > > > reasons

> > > > > >> > > > > > which

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President,

Astrovision, The

> > > > > >> > > > SCientific

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology,

Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114

.........7CSL Sat

> > > > > >> > > > aspects

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise

marriage question

> > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > >> > > > > > DBA

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of

Sunil ji's

> > > > > >> > > > > > principle

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is even

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA

lords aspect Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> result is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am

wrong.In message #

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In

thismessage also Mr.

> > > > > >> > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of

neptune is not yet

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... .........

........but pluto

> > > > > >> > > > gives

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3.

Agreed.4. When

> > > > > >> > > > we

> > > > > >> > > > > > say

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the

rationale? This is

> > > > > >> > > > based

> > > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that

Pluto has

> > > > > >> > > > negative

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient

number of cases

> > > > > >> > > > > > should be

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studied

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow

planets such

> > > > > >> > > > as

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets

Pluto, Neptune,

> > > > > >> > > > > > Uranus

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which have

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse

the effects.

> > > > > >> > > > This

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if

proved by

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday,

September 27,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query

on financials

> > > > > >> > > > -

> > > > > >> > > > > > View

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing

about DBA or star

> > > > > >> > > > > > lord

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theory

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to

deny marriage.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 16123

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on

Pluto to deny

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 16114

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result

for the house

> > > > > >> > > > > > (there

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to

give no marriage

> > > > > >> > > > > > instead

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give

marriage.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 14157

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify

whether Sunil ji

> > > > > >> > > > has

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> found any

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his

presentations of

> > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic

is not found

> > > > > >> > > > in KP

> > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale

of such a small

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets.

Such kind of idea

> > > > > >> > > > is

> > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash

Ektare wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's

interpretation. This

> > > > > >> > > > > > confirms

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through

aspects of DBAS

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on

financials - View from

> > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > > > >> > > > 16123

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > > > >> > > > 16114

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > > > >> > > > 14157

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash

Ektare wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While

studying the

> > > > > >> > > > > > effects of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It

would be more

> > > > > >> > > > > > appropriate

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every

constellation rather than

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes

about 248 years

> > > > > >> > > > to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it

traverses each

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed

only 9 out of

> > > > > >> > > > 27

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data

for analyzing

> > > > > >> > > > its

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August

2009 Honorable

> > > > > >> > > > TW ji

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> says

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that of

Hindu God

> > > > > >> > > > Shiva,

> > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it

begins to bring

> > > > > >> > > > deep

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the

first step is

> > > > > >> > > > > > destruction

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in

Transit Page 477). "

> > > > > >> > > > > > This

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of

Pluto and Neptune

> > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has

experienced

> > > > > >> > > > such

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not

based on

> > > > > >> > > > Pluto's

> > > > > >> > > > > > (or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as

there is no

> > > > > >> > > > research

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> data

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in

Vimshottari

> > > > > >> > > > Dasha

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> System..

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think

of is

> > > > > >> > > > conjunction

> > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within

prescribed

> > > > > >> > > > orb). I

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> would

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my

concept is

> > > > > >> > > > correct

> > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar

ji that he has

> > > > > >> > > > > > come

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> across

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer

my services

> > > > > >> > > > for

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his

guidance.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009

12:10:05 PM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on

financials - View

> > > > > >> > > > from

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic.

(KPE-zine Aug

> > > > > >> > > > > > 2009)

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Western

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey

Green, his

> > > > > >> > > > > > daughter

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa

Yogananda,

> > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> known as

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological

chart. Jeffrey

> > > > > >> > > > Green

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> said that

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to

mange the mystery

> > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within

evolution. A positive

> > > > > >> > > > > > side of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common

Plutonian

> > > > > >> > > > > > profession is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on

Astrology,

> > > > > >> > > > page

> > > > > >> > > > > > 46)

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise

appearance of

> > > > > >> > > > > > Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of

AstroDatabank 4.0

> > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is

(1/12=) 8%. The

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly

different from

> > > > > >> > > > the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the

house-wise

> > > > > >> > > > > > appearance is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8%

for the 2, 7 and

> > > > > >> > > > 8

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far

below to be the

> > > > > >> > > > > > cause

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of no

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7

and 8 houses.

> > > > > >> > > > Hence

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by

mere appearance

> > > > > >> > > > in

> > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and

Relationships

> > > > > >> > > > or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references,

Pluto is not

> > > > > >> > > > wholly

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and

astrological

> > > > > >> > > > > > aspects.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight

points specific

> > > > > >> > > > > > procedure

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> followed

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto

is supposed to

> > > > > >> > > > > > magnify

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the

results of that

> > > > > >> > > > planet

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> always for

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the

Pluto-Saturn connection

> > > > > >> > > > > > carries

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides

success and

> > > > > >> > > > > > wealth.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly

malefic or

> > > > > >> > > > benefic.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally

indicates power

> > > > > >> > > > > > struggle

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> between

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible

undesirable

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly

Neptune in the

> > > > > >> > > > 7th is

> > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned

by karma to

> > > > > >> > > > > > relinquish

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> them

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An

observation of the AA

> > > > > >> > > > > > charts

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the

cause of no

> > > > > >> > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore

undesirable to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with

Pluto's adverse

> > > > > >> > > > > > effects,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a

minimum of one

> > > > > >> > > > > > hundred

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as

mentioned by Judith

> > > > > >> > > > Hill

> > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit

Soman wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on

this

> > > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also

remember a couple of

> > > > > >> > > > > > write

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik

issue )on

> > > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > > >> > > > > > of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely

-ve effects . I

> > > > > >> > > > had

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> almost

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting

the contents

> > > > > >> > > > from

> > > > > >> > > > > > his

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto

Effects " the

> > > > > >> > > > extra

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i

am following

> > > > > >> > > > these

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there

effects are

> > > > > >> > > > considered.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto

within 3 deg.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter

also aspecting

> > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > @4

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not

offering good

> > > > > >> > > > > > results

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive

results

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure

about pluto

> > > > > >> > > > effects

> > > > > >> > > > > > and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> when

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008

issue and i

> > > > > >> > > > have

> > > > > >> > > > > > got

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> many

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto

effects.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k

gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009

2:33:43 AM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on

financials

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the

lord of 7,8,9.

> > > > > >> > > > Out of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is

in close

> > > > > >> > > > > > cojunction

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> with the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun

the lord of

> > > > > >> > > > 8.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies

11(no planet in

> > > > > >> > > > its

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> star).

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury.

Further

> > > > > >> > > > Mercury

> > > > > >> > > > > > being

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12

in 11.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators

of 6,10, the

> > > > > >> > > > 5(12

> > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not

favorable and

> > > > > >> > > > it

> > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> being

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet

in its star)

> > > > > >> > > > .

> > > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken

as bad, as it

> > > > > >> > > > may

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to

foreign

> > > > > >> > > > countries.

> > > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit

Soman

> > > > > >> > > > amitbs2002@

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman

included below]

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am

attaching a screen

> > > > > >> > > > shot in

> > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 (

i prepare the

> > > > > >> > > > cusp

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is

Sa. Its

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to

8-11-2014

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8(

inheritance

> > > > > >> > > > ),11 & 10.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in

profession but

> > > > > >> > > > also

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner

is gaining he

> > > > > >> > > > will

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the

reason for bad

> > > > > >> > > > > > economic

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09.

After that it is

> > > > > >> > > > bad

> > > > > >> > > > > > .

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> We see

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to

23-04-2012.

> > > > > >> > > > > > signification

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> are

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat

+ Ra )=

> > > > > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we

say that 10th

> > > > > >> > > > sub

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> should

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find

6,10,11 are

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009

11:05:09 AM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on

financials

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for

this

> > > > > >> > > > time,usingK. P.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as

Saturn...earlier

> > > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the

sublord of II

> > > > > >> > > > as

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT

TOB,the sublord

> > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the

Moon's starlord and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth

chart for this

> > > > > >> > > > > > TOB...you

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009

6:44:11 PM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on

financials

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was

working on a

> > > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > > >> > > > > > of a

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation

for a couple of

> > > > > >> > > > > > issues

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> . I

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of

his life. When

> > > > > >> > > > i

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not.

BUT i was 100%

> > > > > >> > > > > > wrong on

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable

to find any

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group

can point out

> > > > > >> > > > how

> > > > > >> > > > > > he

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10

yrs? What are the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> <

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > http://sigads. rediff.com/ RealMedia/ ads/click_ nx.ads/www.

rediffmail. com/signaturelin e.htm@Middle

> > > > > >> > > > ?

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > --

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask. com

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

> >

> > http://mail.

> >

>

October 16, 2009

Dear Friends,

That is the correct and easy way without making confusion.

Regards,

TW

, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

>

> Dear Bohraji,

> Instead of doing as you say, one may select " Sayana " option and add tha NKPA

directly for the day. It shall be more easy.

> Dr. Rath

>

> ________________________________

> Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha

>

> Tue, October 13, 2009 9:24:32 PM

> Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

>

> Dear Bhora ji,

>

> Thank you very very much for your detailed reply

>

> Wish you all the best.

>

> Kalyan

>

> ________________________________

> Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> @gro ups.com

> Tue, October 13, 2009 6:31:32 PM

> Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

>

> Dear Sunaparanthaji,

>

> Set JHora as below :-

>

> In Birth data you select the date 1st Jan,2009 and time 00:00:00. and

coordinates and place of your place.

>

> Open Preference >Ayanamsa > select Krishnamurti (KP)> in same window you will

find Add Tab. select " Apply the correction " than below it in " Second " add

22.7000 and click OK. You have done now see the Ayanamsa you will get what KPNA

is ,23-53-33,for 1st Jan;2009.

>

> Now click again on Preference Tab,you will find Save Preference select it.Now

your JHora is set for you on KPNA for this year.

>

> Now close the programme and reopen it and see on today what Ayanamsa you have

in your JHora and tally it with other software whom you find correct as per

KPNA.

>

> In so many year it shows some differences so we can use it with setting for

that year by correcting at " Second " level in Add Tab to get desire KPPNA for

that year.

>

> Hope it will helpful.

>

> Thanks & regards,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> @gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bohra Ji,

> >

> > Can you kindly give more explanation for adjusting KPNA in JHL, with an

example.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> >

> > Kalyan

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Sudan <msbohra62@ ..>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tue, October 13, 2009 8:16:58 AM

> > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> >

> > Dear TWji,

> >

> > Every 1st Jan of new year if you set KPNA by correcting to add in seconds

section with choosing Krishnamurti Ayanamsa than set as " Preferences " than you

will get KPNA for full year without any correction every time.

> >

> > Ayanamsa > Krishnamurti > Add (Between 22 to 25 second)>second as you get

right KPNA on 1st Jan in software of JHora than > Preference > Save Preference.

> >

> > Hope it will helpful.

> >

> > Thanks & regards,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

> > @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friend,

> > > Thank you for the step by step explanation.

> > > What would be the easy and safe way to get the KPNA(2003)?

> > > Of course, this procedure is for JHora 3.3 version.

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > > TW

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > The following are the steps: -

> > > > 1. Click on 'Preferences' .

> > > > 2.Go to 'Related to calculations' .

> > > > 3.Select 'Ayanamsa'.

> > > > 4.Select 'Tropical(sayana) " ayanamsa.

> > > > 5. In 'customize further' box-

> > > > a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'

> > > > b) Select 'Add'.

> > > > c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.

> > > > 6. Finally click OK.

> > > > It is done.

> > > >

> > > > Due regards.

> > > > Dr. Rath

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > TW <tw853@>

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM

> > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the JHora

positions to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of JHora using

members.

> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > TW

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted according to

own preference.

> > > > > Dr. Rath.

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM

> > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bohraji

> > > > >

> > > > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage /

Mykundali. This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all

the SW & they are as good as anbody in the group.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Amit

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM

> > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sudan,

> > > > > I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa used by

J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s SW...for best

results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New Ayanamsa...

> > > > > Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much of a

difference

> > > > > Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB arrived at by

him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..

> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Dear G.Singh ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub

lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord

respectively. ..! "

> > > > > >

> > > > > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of

Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Thanks,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >M.S.Bohra

> > > > > >

> > > > > >@gro ups.com, " G " <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my

birth time.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> G. Singh

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very

interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically

by discussion in the forum.

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> > > > > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > > > > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and

seperation

> > > > > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status

(possibly by lottery gain?)

> > > > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got

big money

> > > > > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time

monetary gain;

> > > > > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very

passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying

abroad getting schorlarship;

> > > > > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start

of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > >> > TW

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early

marriage and late

> > > > > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can

see from Adith

> > > > > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early.

In her

> > > > > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not

true for some

> > > > > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well

negated by Moon

> > > > > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith

ji's email.

> > > > > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP

astrologers who

> > > > > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > > > > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were

referring my email

> > > > > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > > > > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet

that give

> > > > > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as

KP.

> > > > > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth

details before

> > > > > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not

only bring

> > > > > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer

should do this

> > > > > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with

the source as

> > > > > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that.

If an

> > > > > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will

always remain

> > > > > >> > > non-reliable.

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is

uploaded in

> > > > > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not

really

> > > > > >> > > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such

cases?>>>It has

> > > > > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by

conj, aspt or opp

> > > > > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP Reader

III p 205 (Old

> > > > > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > > > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for

delay but

> > > > > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl

let us know to

> > > > > >> > > > study in this regard.

> > > > > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due

to 6th and

> > > > > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and

present the result to

> > > > > >> > > > the forum.

> > > > > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in

Vedic. To get a

> > > > > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12),

Mahatma Gandhi

> > > > > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali

Zulflikar

> > > > > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis

(16), King of

> > > > > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > > > > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of

any native,

> > > > > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other

than having a

> > > > > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in

the dasa of

> > > > > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the

chart, BV

> > > > > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned

from his grand

> > > > > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of

Jupiter for death.

> > > > > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek

separation and

> > > > > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th

of partner's

> > > > > >> > > > walking out.

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > >> > > > TW

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@>

wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > > > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > > > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > > > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > > > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart

under

> > > > > >> > > > discussion,

> > > > > >> > > > > only sign exchange.

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in

Marriage " is

> > > > > >> > > > uploaded in

> > > > > >> > > > > > the File section.

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >> > > > > > TW

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <%

40. com>,

> > > > > >> > > > Punit

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really

delay. " seems

> > > > > >> > > > very

> > > > > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo

is something

> > > > > >> > > > quite

> > > > > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any

doubt on delaying

> > > > > >> > > > > > nature

> > > > > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of

the marriage

> > > > > >> > > > > > delay.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which

shows

> > > > > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either

the birth

> > > > > >> > > > details

> > > > > >> > > > > > have

> > > > > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with

post-mortem

> > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > > > > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of

the said point

> > > > > >> > > > seems

> > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such

conclusion. Sat being

> > > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > > >> > > > > > CSL

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there

are many points

> > > > > >> > > > have

> > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon

in sat sign

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All

cause Punarpoo

> > > > > >> > > > > > also. But

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really

delay. may be

> > > > > >> > > > we

> > > > > >> > > > > > have to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is

our Quiz # 1

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Adith

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@

wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed

out by Sunil

> > > > > >> > > > ji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > I

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early

marriage/ love

> > > > > >> > > > marriage/

> > > > > >> > > > > > happy

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka

sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7

signification.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in

many charts who

> > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not

in

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line

of thinking

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th

also.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect

on pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect

diff.is more

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no

question of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she

loved when

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn

gives

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <%

40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, " adith

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th

CSL Sun is lord

> > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > >> > > > > > 12 is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no

planet in 6)

> > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > >> > > > > > sat

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by

the star level

> > > > > >> > > > is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who

is again in

> > > > > >> > > > > > Jupiter (

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> R)

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications

by sublord

> > > > > >> > > > > > present,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to

6,10, the

> > > > > >> > > > marraige

> > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath

on few cases

> > > > > >> > > > > > study,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not

favorable in many

> > > > > >> > > > cases.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro

planets's star*

> > > > > >> > > > which

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the

Dr.Rath's study

> > > > > >> > > > charts

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which I

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for

moe analysis.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along

with Rahu.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12

(just 9mts

> > > > > >> > > > crossed

> > > > > >> > > > > > 11th

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn.

*so strongly

> > > > > >> > > > > > signfies

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2

and 11 posited

> > > > > >> > > > in 11

> > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> its

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star

of Jupiter (as

> > > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications

present, the

> > > > > >> > > > > > signfications

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7

Saturn and the lord

> > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > >> > > > > > 5

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is

present), she got

> > > > > >> > > > married

> > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is

running a happy

> > > > > >> > > > marital

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> life

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil

gondhalekar <sunilalaka@

> > > > > >> > > > > > >wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i

have many

> > > > > >> > > > experieced

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad,

19N53,75E20

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and

aspects Neptune

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune

effects the native..

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses

so no

> > > > > >> > > > stability

> > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> job

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss

during the dasa

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is

still unmarried.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter

star.. again a

> > > > > >> > > > > > Neptune

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare

<

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if

7CSL

> > > > > >> > > > signifies

> > > > > >> > > > > > any of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8.

However this 7CSL

> > > > > >> > > > > > (which

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL

is connected

> > > > > >> > > > with

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely

will have some

> > > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or

negative). What I

> > > > > >> > > > > > understood

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative

effect, as

> > > > > >> > > > experienced

> > > > > >> > > > > > by

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> him in

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage

may not be

> > > > > >> > > > > > promised

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> due to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I

am wrong.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji

personally and get

> > > > > >> > > > his

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> personal

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the

same even now.

> > > > > >> > > > He

> > > > > >> > > > > > has

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> given many

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine

" Nakshatrache

> > > > > >> > > > > > Dene "

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read

those

> > > > > >> > > > articles.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be

found in archive.

> > > > > >> > > > If

> > > > > >> > > > > > you

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for

non-materialization of

> > > > > >> > > > marriage I

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will be

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_

vijayanand@ >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%

> > > > > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_

vijayanand@

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on

financials -

> > > > > >> > > > View

> > > > > >> > > > > > from

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub

lord shani

> > > > > >> > > > > > aspects

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by

other planet,

> > > > > >> > > > > > aspected

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets.

Means if 7csl is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other

planet then

> > > > > >> > > > aspected

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or

primary as

> > > > > >> > > > well

> > > > > >> > > > > > as

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8

being aspected by

> > > > > >> > > > > > pluto,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> then

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of

marriage. As we see

> > > > > >> > > > that

> > > > > >> > > > > > when

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause

delay to a

> > > > > >> > > > > > considerable

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as

well as it is

> > > > > >> > > > not

> > > > > >> > > > > > having

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL

saturn, in this

> > > > > >> > > > case,

> > > > > >> > > > > > pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving

results. Though,

> > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> has

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding

Pluto, As I had

> > > > > >> > > > an

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and

I delighted

> > > > > >> > > > with

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton

of pluto to

> > > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > > >> > > > > > cusp.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> So not

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be

another

> > > > > >> > > > reasons

> > > > > >> > > > > > which

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President,

Astrovision, The

> > > > > >> > > > SCientific

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology,

Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114

.........7CSL Sat

> > > > > >> > > > aspects

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise

marriage question

> > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > >> > > > > > DBA

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of

Sunil ji's

> > > > > >> > > > > > principle

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is even

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA

lords aspect Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> result is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am

wrong.In message #

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In

thismessage also Mr.

> > > > > >> > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of

neptune is not yet

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... .........

........but pluto

> > > > > >> > > > gives

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3.

Agreed.4. When

> > > > > >> > > > we

> > > > > >> > > > > > say

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the

rationale? This is

> > > > > >> > > > based

> > > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that

Pluto has

> > > > > >> > > > negative

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient

number of cases

> > > > > >> > > > > > should be

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studied

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow

planets such

> > > > > >> > > > as

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets

Pluto, Neptune,

> > > > > >> > > > > > Uranus

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which have

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse

the effects.

> > > > > >> > > > This

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if

proved by

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday,

September 27,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query

on financials

> > > > > >> > > > -

> > > > > >> > > > > > View

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing

about DBA or star

> > > > > >> > > > > > lord

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theory

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to

deny marriage.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 16123

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on

Pluto to deny

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 16114

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result

for the house

> > > > > >> > > > > > (there

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to

give no marriage

> > > > > >> > > > > > instead

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give

marriage.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 14157

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify

whether Sunil ji

> > > > > >> > > > has

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> found any

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his

presentations of

> > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic

is not found

> > > > > >> > > > in KP

> > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale

of such a small

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets.

Such kind of idea

> > > > > >> > > > is

> > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash

Ektare wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's

interpretation. This

> > > > > >> > > > > > confirms

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through

aspects of DBAS

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on

financials - View from

> > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > > > >> > > > 16123

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > > > >> > > > 16114

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > > > >> > > > 14157

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash

Ektare wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While

studying the

> > > > > >> > > > > > effects of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It

would be more

> > > > > >> > > > > > appropriate

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every

constellation rather than

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes

about 248 years

> > > > > >> > > > to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it

traverses each

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed

only 9 out of

> > > > > >> > > > 27

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data

for analyzing

> > > > > >> > > > its

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August

2009 Honorable

> > > > > >> > > > TW ji

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> says

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that of

Hindu God

> > > > > >> > > > Shiva,

> > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it

begins to bring

> > > > > >> > > > deep

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the

first step is

> > > > > >> > > > > > destruction

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in

Transit Page 477). "

> > > > > >> > > > > > This

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of

Pluto and Neptune

> > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has

experienced

> > > > > >> > > > such

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not

based on

> > > > > >> > > > Pluto's

> > > > > >> > > > > > (or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as

there is no

> > > > > >> > > > research

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> data

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in

Vimshottari

> > > > > >> > > > Dasha

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> System..

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think

of is

> > > > > >> > > > conjunction

> > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within

prescribed

> > > > > >> > > > orb). I

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> would

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my

concept is

> > > > > >> > > > correct

> > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar

ji that he has

> > > > > >> > > > > > come

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> across

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer

my services

> > > > > >> > > > for

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his

guidance.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009

12:10:05 PM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on

financials - View

> > > > > >> > > > from

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic.

(KPE-zine Aug

> > > > > >> > > > > > 2009)

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Western

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey

Green, his

> > > > > >> > > > > > daughter

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa

Yogananda,

> > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> known as

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological

chart. Jeffrey

> > > > > >> > > > Green

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> said that

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to

mange the mystery

> > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within

evolution. A positive

> > > > > >> > > > > > side of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common

Plutonian

> > > > > >> > > > > > profession is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on

Astrology,

> > > > > >> > > > page

> > > > > >> > > > > > 46)

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise

appearance of

> > > > > >> > > > > > Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of

AstroDatabank 4.0

> > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is

(1/12=) 8%. The

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly

different from

> > > > > >> > > > the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the

house-wise

> > > > > >> > > > > > appearance is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8%

for the 2, 7 and

> > > > > >> > > > 8

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far

below to be the

> > > > > >> > > > > > cause

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of no

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7

and 8 houses.

> > > > > >> > > > Hence

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by

mere appearance

> > > > > >> > > > in

> > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and

Relationships

> > > > > >> > > > or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references,

Pluto is not

> > > > > >> > > > wholly

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and

astrological

> > > > > >> > > > > > aspects.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight

points specific

> > > > > >> > > > > > procedure

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> followed

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto

is supposed to

> > > > > >> > > > > > magnify

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the

results of that

> > > > > >> > > > planet

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> always for

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the

Pluto-Saturn connection

> > > > > >> > > > > > carries

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides

success and

> > > > > >> > > > > > wealth.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly

malefic or

> > > > > >> > > > benefic.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally

indicates power

> > > > > >> > > > > > struggle

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> between

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible

undesirable

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly

Neptune in the

> > > > > >> > > > 7th is

> > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned

by karma to

> > > > > >> > > > > > relinquish

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> them

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An

observation of the AA

> > > > > >> > > > > > charts

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the

cause of no

> > > > > >> > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore

undesirable to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with

Pluto's adverse

> > > > > >> > > > > > effects,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a

minimum of one

> > > > > >> > > > > > hundred

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as

mentioned by Judith

> > > > > >> > > > Hill

> > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit

Soman wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on

this

> > > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also

remember a couple of

> > > > > >> > > > > > write

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik

issue )on

> > > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > > >> > > > > > of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely

-ve effects . I

> > > > > >> > > > had

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> almost

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting

the contents

> > > > > >> > > > from

> > > > > >> > > > > > his

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto

Effects " the

> > > > > >> > > > extra

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i

am following

> > > > > >> > > > these

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there

effects are

> > > > > >> > > > considered.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto

within 3 deg.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter

also aspecting

> > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > @4

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not

offering good

> > > > > >> > > > > > results

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive

results

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure

about pluto

> > > > > >> > > > effects

> > > > > >> > > > > > and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> when

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008

issue and i

> > > > > >> > > > have

> > > > > >> > > > > > got

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> many

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto

effects.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k

gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009

2:33:43 AM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on

financials

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the

lord of 7,8,9.

> > > > > >> > > > Out of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is

in close

> > > > > >> > > > > > cojunction

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> with the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun

the lord of

> > > > > >> > > > 8.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies

11(no planet in

> > > > > >> > > > its

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> star).

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury.

Further

> > > > > >> > > > Mercury

> > > > > >> > > > > > being

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12

in 11.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators

of 6,10, the

> > > > > >> > > > 5(12

> > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not

favorable and

> > > > > >> > > > it

> > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> being

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet

in its star)

> > > > > >> > > > .

> > > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken

as bad, as it

> > > > > >> > > > may

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to

foreign

> > > > > >> > > > countries.

> > > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit

Soman

> > > > > >> > > > amitbs2002@

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman

included below]

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am

attaching a screen

> > > > > >> > > > shot in

> > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 (

i prepare the

> > > > > >> > > > cusp

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is

Sa. Its

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to

8-11-2014

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8(

inheritance

> > > > > >> > > > ),11 & 10.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in

profession but

> > > > > >> > > > also

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner

is gaining he

> > > > > >> > > > will

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the

reason for bad

> > > > > >> > > > > > economic

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09.

After that it is

> > > > > >> > > > bad

> > > > > >> > > > > > .

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> We see

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to

23-04-2012.

> > > > > >> > > > > > signification

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> are

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat

+ Ra )=

> > > > > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we

say that 10th

> > > > > >> > > > sub

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> should

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find

6,10,11 are

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009

11:05:09 AM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on

financials

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for

this

> > > > > >> > > > time,usingK. P.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as

Saturn...earlier

> > > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the

sublord of II

> > > > > >> > > > as

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT

TOB,the sublord

> > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the

Moon's starlord and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth

chart for this

> > > > > >> > > > > > TOB...you

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009

6:44:11 PM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on

financials

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was

working on a

> > > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > > >> > > > > > of a

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation

for a couple of

> > > > > >> > > > > > issues

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> . I

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of

his life. When

> > > > > >> > > > i

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not.

BUT i was 100%

> > > > > >> > > > > > wrong on

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable

to find any

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group

can point out

> > > > > >> > > > how

> > > > > >> > > > > > he

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10

yrs? What are the

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> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

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October 16, 2009

Dear Friends,1. This is mathematics. As the KPNA (2003) formula is not applied in JHora, and so there is no base to adjust in oredr to get the KPNA once and for all time.2. The difference between the Lahiri and Old KPA is not constant (col 7 of table 2) as assumed to be the constant difference of around 6min:5sec (col 6 of table 2). 3. Since there is no constant difference between the ayanamsas as shown in the table 2, the only correct way is to take the KPNA value calculated from the KPNA (2003) formula like the KPNA calculator at the AstroSage or KPNA Table in the File section.Regards,TW

Table 1: Comparison of Ayanamsa Values

(As of 1st January in D-M-S)

Year

OKPA

JHKPA

NKPA

LAHIRI

1850

21-40

21-39-31

21-40-24

21-45-36

1900

22-22

22-21-50

22-22 16

22-27-55

1950

23-04

23-03-23

23-04-08

23-09-28

2000

23-46

23-45-06

23-46-01

23-51-11

REVISIT

OF KPA.doc

Table 2: Differences between Ayanamsa Values (in Minutes-Seconds)

Year

OKPA

minus

JHKPA

minus

NKPA

OKPA

minus

NKPA

Lahiri

minus

NKPA

Lahiri

minus

JHKPA

Lahiri

minus

OKPA

1

2

3

4

5

6

7

1850

+0-29

-0-53

-0-24

+5-12

+6-05

+5-36

1900

+0-10

-0-26

-0-16

+5-39

+6-05

+5-55

1950

+0-37

-0-45

-0-08

+5-20

+6-05

+5-28

2000

+0-54

-0-55

-0-01

+5-10

+6-05

+5-11

OKPA= Old KPA,

JH-KPA = JHora KPA, NKPA= New KPA

Regards, , "Sudan" <msbohra62 wrote:>> Dear Dr.Rath,> > My all exercise for,Can we adjust once Jhora for all time so this software give us KPNA or very near which is negligible.> > Now I have interesting data,> > On 1st Jan;1962 KPNA is 23-14-11 Jhora shows 23-14-09.58> > It is by once setting,what is difference 1.42 Seconds !It is really a matter of worry ?I set JHora on date 1st Jan;2009 to add 22.7016 Seconds.> > See further data,> > On 1st Jan;2010 KPNA is 23-54-23 where Jhora shows 23-54-23.25> On 1st Jan;2011 KPNA is 23-55-14 where Jhora shows 23-55-13.51> > As like this,> > On 1st Jan;2017 KPNA is 24-00-15 where Jhoes shows 24-99-15.32> On 1st Jan;2030 KPNA is 24-11-09 where Jhora shows 24-11-09.10> On 1st Jan;2040 KPNA is 24-19-31 where Jhora shows 24-19-31.99> > What is the differences between these two ,Is it not negligible ?> > Jhora is free and have so many other functions if we can use it for KP than it is very useful tool for KP followers.> > When you cast the chart for Horary(Question)or for RPs you instantly open the software and without any correction you get every thing,it is matter for all exercise.Now make correction at once in your Jhora and see the result.> > Thanks & regards,> > M.S.Bohra> > , Luther Rath rathluther@ wrote:> >> > Dear Bohraji,> > Instead of doing as you say, one may select "Sayana" option and add tha NKPA directly for the day. It shall be more easy.> > Dr. Rath> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > Sunaparantha Kalyan sunaparantha@> > > > Tue, October 13, 2009 9:24:32 PM> > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > Dear Bhora ji,> > > > Thank you very very much for your detailed reply> > > > Wish you all the best.> > > > Kalyan> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > Sudan msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > @gro ups.com> > Tue, October 13, 2009 6:31:32 PM> > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > Dear Sunaparanthaji,> > > > Set JHora as below :-> > > > In Birth data you select the date 1st Jan,2009 and time 00:00:00. and coordinates and place of your place.> > > > Open Preference >Ayanamsa > select Krishnamurti (KP)> in same window you will find Add Tab. select "Apply the correction" than below it in "Second" add 22.7000 and click OK. You have done now see the Ayanamsa you will get what KPNA is ,23-53-33,for 1st Jan;2009.> > > > Now click again on Preference Tab,you will find Save Preference select it.Now your JHora is set for you on KPNA for this year.> > > > Now close the programme and reopen it and see on today what Ayanamsa you have in your JHora and tally it with other software whom you find correct as per KPNA.> > > > In so many year it shows some differences so we can use it with setting for that year by correcting at "Second" level in Add Tab to get desire KPPNA for that year.> > > > Hope it will helpful.> > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > @gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bohra Ji,> > > > > > Can you kindly give more explanation for adjusting KPNA in JHL, with an example.> > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > > > Kalyan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Sudan <msbohra62@ ..>> > > @gro ups.com> > > Tue, October 13, 2009 8:16:58 AM> > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > > > > Dear TWji,> > > > > > Every 1st Jan of new year if you set KPNA by correcting to add in seconds section with choosing Krishnamurti Ayanamsa than set as "Preferences" than you will get KPNA for full year without any correction every time.> > > > > > Ayanamsa > Krishnamurti > Add (Between 22 to 25 second)>second as you get right KPNA on 1st Jan in software of JHora than > Preference > Save Preference.> > > > > > Hope it will helpful.> > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "TW" <tw853@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Friend,> > > > Thank you for the step by step explanation.> > > > What would be the easy and safe way to get the KPNA(2003)?> > > > Of course, this procedure is for JHora 3.3 version.> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > TW> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected Sir,> > > > > The following are the steps: -> > > > > 1. Click on 'Preferences' .> > > > > 2.Go to 'Related to calculations' .> > > > > 3.Select 'Ayanamsa'.> > > > > 4.Select 'Tropical(sayana) " ayanamsa.> > > > > 5. In 'customize further' box-> > > > > a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'> > > > > b) Select 'Add'.> > > > > c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.> > > > > 6. Finally click OK.> > > > > It is done.> > > > > > > > > > Due regards.> > > > > Dr. Rath> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > TW <tw853@>> > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM> > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friend,> > > > > Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the JHora positions to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of JHora using members.> > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > TW > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted according to own preference.> > > > > > Dr. Rath.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM> > > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bohraji> > > > > > > > > > > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali. This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW & they are as good as anbody in the group.> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Amit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM> > > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sudan,> > > > > > I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New Ayanamsa...> > > > > > Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much of a difference > > > > > > Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..> > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sudan msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >Dear G.Singh ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-> > > > > > >> > > > > > >" Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively. ..!"> > > > > > >> > > > > > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa> > > > > > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa> > > > > > >> > > > > > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >Thanks,> > > > > > >> > > > > > >M.S.Bohra> > > > > > >> > > > > > >@gro ups.com, "G" <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth time.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> G. Singh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> @gro ups.com, "TW" <tw853@> wrote:> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:> > > > > > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> > > > > > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> > > > > > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.> > > > > > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation> > > > > > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?) > > > > > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money> > > > > > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;> > > > > > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;> > > > > > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Thanks and regards,> > > > > > >> > TW > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > Dear Tw ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and late> > > > > > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith> > > > > > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her> > > > > > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some> > > > > > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon> > > > > > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.> > > > > > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who> > > > > > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.> > > > > > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email> > > > > > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.> > > > > > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give> > > > > > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.> > > > > > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before> > > > > > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring> > > > > > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this> > > > > > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as> > > > > > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an> > > > > > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always remain> > > > > > >> > > non-reliable.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in> > > > > > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really> > > > > > >> > > > delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has> > > > > > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp> > > > > > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old> > > > > > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.> > > > > > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but> > > > > > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to> > > > > > >> > > > study in this regard.> > > > > > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and> > > > > > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to> > > > > > >> > > > the forum.> > > > > > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a> > > > > > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi> > > > > > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar> > > > > > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of> > > > > > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.> > > > > > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,> > > > > > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a> > > > > > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of> > > > > > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV> > > > > > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand> > > > > > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.> > > > > > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and> > > > > > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's> > > > > > >> > > > walking out.> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > > >> > > > TW> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -> > > > > > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn> > > > > > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th> > > > > > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (> > > > > > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under> > > > > > >> > > > discussion,> > > > > > >> > > > > only sign exchange.> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is> > > > > > >> > > > uploaded in> > > > > > >> > > > > > the File section.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > TW> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,> > > > > > >> > > > Punit> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems> > > > > > >> > > > very> > > > > > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something> > > > > > >> > > > quite> > > > > > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying> > > > > > >> > > > > > nature> > > > > > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage> > > > > > >> > > > > > delay.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows> > > > > > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth> > > > > > >> > > > details> > > > > > >> > > > > > have> > > > > > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem> > > > > > >> > > > and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <> > > > > > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point> > > > > > >> > > > seems> > > > > > >> > > > > > to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being> > > > > > >> > > > 7th> > > > > > >> > > > > > CSL> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points> > > > > > >> > > > have> > > > > > >> > > > > > to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo> > > > > > >> > > > > > also. But> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be> > > > > > >> > > > we> > > > > > >> > > > > > have to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Adith> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil> > > > > > >> > > > ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > I> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love> > > > > > >> > > > marriage/> > > > > > >> > > > > > happy> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who> > > > > > >> > > > are> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, "adith> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord> > > > > > >> > > > of> > > > > > >> > > > > > 12 is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)> > > > > > >> > > > and> > > > > > >> > > > > > sat> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level> > > > > > >> > > > is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in> > > > > > >> > > > > > Jupiter (> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> R)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord> > > > > > >> > > > > > present,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the> > > > > > >> > > > marraige> > > > > > >> > > > > > is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases> > > > > > >> > > > > > study,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many> > > > > > >> > > > cases.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*> > > > > > >> > > > which> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study> > > > > > >> > > > charts> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which I> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts> > > > > > >> > > > crossed> > > > > > >> > > > > > 11th> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly> > > > > > >> > > > > > signfies> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited> > > > > > >> > > > in 11> > > > > > >> > > > > > in> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> its> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as> > > > > > >> > > > > > your> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the> > > > > > >> > > > > > signfications> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord> > > > > > >> > > > of> > > > > > >> > > > > > 5> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got> > > > > > >> > > > married> > > > > > >> > > > > > to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy> > > > > > >> > > > marital> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> life> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@> > > > > > >> > > > > > >wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many> > > > > > >> > > > experieced> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no> > > > > > >> > > > stability> > > > > > >> > > > > > in> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> job> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a> > > > > > >> > > > > > Neptune> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL> > > > > > >> > > > signifies> > > > > > >> > > > > > any of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL> > > > > > >> > > > > > (which> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected> > > > > > >> > > > with> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some> > > > > > >> > > > effect> > > > > > >> > > > > > on> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I> > > > > > >> > > > > > understood> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as> > > > > > >> > > > experienced> > > > > > >> > > > > > by> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> him in> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be> > > > > > >> > > > > > promised> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> due to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get> > > > > > >> > > > his> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> personal> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.> > > > > > >> > > > He> > > > > > >> > > > > > has> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> given many> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache> > > > > > >> > > > > > Dene"> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those> > > > > > >> > > > articles.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.> > > > > > >> > > > If> > > > > > >> > > > > > you> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of> > > > > > >> > > > marriage I> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will be> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%> > > > > > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -> > > > > > >> > > > View> > > > > > >> > > > > > from> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani> > > > > > >> > > > > > aspects> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,> > > > > > >> > > > > > aspected> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then> > > > > > >> > > > aspected> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as> > > > > > >> > > > well> > > > > > >> > > > > > as> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected by> > > > > > >> > > > > > pluto,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> then> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see> > > > > > >> > > > that> > > > > > >> > > > > > when> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a> > > > > > >> > > > > > considerable> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is> > > > > > >> > > > not> > > > > > >> > > > > > having> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this> > > > > > >> > > > case,> > > > > > >> > > > > > pluto> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> has> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had> > > > > > >> > > > an> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted> > > > > > >> > > > with> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to> > > > > > >> > > > 7th> > > > > > >> > > > > > cusp.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> So not> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another> > > > > > >> > > > reasons> > > > > > >> > > > > > which> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The> > > > > > >> > > > SCientific> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 ........7CSL Sat> > > > > > >> > > > aspects> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question> > > > > > >> > > > of> > > > > > >> > > > > > DBA> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of Sunil ji's> > > > > > >> > > > > > principle> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is even> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto> > > > > > >> > > > the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> result is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message #> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr.> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunil> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... ......... .......but pluto> > > > > > >> > > > gives> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> negation"2. I> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When> > > > > > >> > > > we> > > > > > >> > > > > > say> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is> > > > > > >> > > > based> > > > > > >> > > > > > on> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has> > > > > > >> > > > negative> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases> > > > > > >> > > > > > should be> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studied> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such> > > > > > >> > > > as> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,> > > > > > >> > > > > > Uranus> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which have> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.> > > > > > >> > > > This> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials> > > > > > >> > > > -> > > > > > >> > > > > > View> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star> > > > > > >> > > > > > lord> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theory> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house> > > > > > >> > > > > > (there> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage> > > > > > >> > > > > > instead> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji> > > > > > >> > > > has> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> found any> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of> > > > > > >> > > > Pluto> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found> > > > > > >> > > > in KP> > > > > > >> > > > > > or> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a small> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea> > > > > > >> > > > is> > > > > > >> > > > > > not> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This> > > > > > >> > > > > > confirms> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > > > > > >> > > > 16123> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > > > > > >> > > > 16114> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > > > > > >> > > > 14157> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the> > > > > > >> > > > > > effects of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more> > > > > > >> > > > > > appropriate> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years> > > > > > >> > > > to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of> > > > > > >> > > > 27> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing> > > > > > >> > > > its> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable> > > > > > >> > > > TW ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> says> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God> > > > > > >> > > > Shiva,> > > > > > >> > > > > > the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring> > > > > > >> > > > deep> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is> > > > > > >> > > > > > destruction> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477)."> > > > > > >> > > > > > This> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune> > > > > > >> > > > are> > > > > > >> > > > > > not> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced> > > > > > >> > > > such> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on> > > > > > >> > > > Pluto's> > > > > > >> > > > > > (or> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no> > > > > > >> > > > research> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> data> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari> > > > > > >> > > > Dasha> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> System..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is> > > > > > >> > > > conjunction> > > > > > >> > > > > > or> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed> > > > > > >> > > > orb). I> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> would> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is> > > > > > >> > > > correct> > > > > > >> > > > > > or> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has> > > > > > >> > > > > > come> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> across> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services> > > > > > >> > > > for> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View> > > > > > >> > > > from> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug> > > > > > >> > > > > > 2009)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Western> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his> > > > > > >> > > > > > daughter> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,> > > > > > >> > > > Pluto> > > > > > >> > > > > > is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> known as> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey> > > > > > >> > > > Green> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> said that> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery> > > > > > >> > > > of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive> > > > > > >> > > > > > side of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian> > > > > > >> > > > > > profession is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,> > > > > > >> > > > page> > > > > > >> > > > > > 46)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of> > > > > > >> > > > > > Pluto> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0> > > > > > >> > > > are> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from> > > > > > >> > > > the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise> > > > > > >> > > > > > appearance is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and> > > > > > >> > > > 8> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the> > > > > > >> > > > > > cause> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of no> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.> > > > > > >> > > > Hence> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance> > > > > > >> > > > in> > > > > > >> > > > > > the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships> > > > > > >> > > > or> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not> > > > > > >> > > > wholly> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological> > > > > > >> > > > > > aspects.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific> > > > > > >> > > > > > procedure> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> followed> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to> > > > > > >> > > > > > magnify> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that> > > > > > >> > > > planet> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> always for> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection> > > > > > >> > > > > > carries> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and> > > > > > >> > > > > > wealth.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or> > > > > > >> > > > benefic.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power> > > > > > >> > > > > > struggle> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> between> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the> > > > > > >> > > > 7th is> > > > > > >> > > > > > not> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to> > > > > > >> > > > > > relinquish> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> them> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA> > > > > > >> > > > > > charts> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no> > > > > > >> > > > > > marriage.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse> > > > > > >> > > > > > effects,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one> > > > > > >> > > > > > hundred> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith> > > > > > >> > > > Hill> > > > > > >> > > > > > in> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this> > > > > > >> > > > horoscope> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of> > > > > > >> > > > > > write> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on> > > > > > >> > > > effect> > > > > > >> > > > > > of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I> > > > > > >> > > > had> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> almost> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents> > > > > > >> > > > from> > > > > > >> > > > > > his> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto Effects" the> > > > > > >> > > > extra> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following> > > > > > >> > > > these> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are> > > > > > >> > > > considered.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting> > > > > > >> > > > Pluto> > > > > > >> > > > > > @4> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good> > > > > > >> > > > > > results> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto> > > > > > >> > > > effects> > > > > > >> > > > > > and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> when> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i> > > > > > >> > > > have> > > > > > >> > > > > > got> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> many> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.> > > > > > >> > > > Out of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close> > > > > > >> > > > > > cojunction> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> with the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of> > > > > > >> > > > 8.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in> > > > > > >> > > > its> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> star).> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further> > > > > > >> > > > Mercury> > > > > > >> > > > > > being> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the> > > > > > >> > > > 5(12> > > > > > >> > > > > > to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and> > > > > > >> > > > it> > > > > > >> > > > > > is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> being> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)> > > > > > >> > > > .> > > > > > >> > > > > > But> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it> > > > > > >> > > > may> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign> > > > > > >> > > > countries.> > > > > > >> > > > > > But> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman> > > > > > >> > > > amitbs2002@> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen> > > > > > >> > > > shot in> > > > > > >> > > > > > the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the> > > > > > >> > > > cusp> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance> > > > > > >> > > > ),11 & 10.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but> > > > > > >> > > > also> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he> > > > > > >> > > > will> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad> > > > > > >> > > > > > economic> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is> > > > > > >> > > > bad> > > > > > >> > > > > > .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> We see> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.> > > > > > >> > > > > > signification> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> are> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=> > > > > > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th> > > > > > >> > > > sub> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> should> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this> > > > > > >> > > > time,usingK. P.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier> > > > > > >> > > > > > your> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II> > > > > > >> > > > as> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord> > > > > > >> > > > and> > > > > > >> > > > > > the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this> > > > > > >> > > > > > TOB...you> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a> > > > > > >> > > > horoscope> > > > > > >> > > > > > of a> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of> > > > > > >> > > > > > issues> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> . I> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When> > > > > > >> > > > i> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%> > > > > > >> > > > > > wrong on> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out> > > > > > >> > > > how> > > > > > >> > > > > > he> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> <> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > http://sigads. rediff.com/ RealMedia/ ads/click_ nx.ads/www. rediffmail. com/signaturelin e.htm@Middle> > > > > > >> > > > ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > --> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask. com> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > http://mail. > > >> >>

October 17, 2009

Yes Sirs, for every date the Ayanamsa has to be adjusted.

Dr. Rath

TW <tw853 Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 6:16:55 PM Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

Dear Friends,1. This is mathematics. As the KPNA (2003) formula is not applied in JHora, and so there is no base to adjust in oredr to get the KPNA once and for all time.2. The difference between the Lahiri and Old KPA is not constant (col 7 of table 2) as assumed to be the constant difference of around 6min:5sec (col 6 of table 2). 3. Since there is no constant difference between the ayanamsas as shown in the table 2, the only correct way is to take the KPNA value calculated from the KPNA (2003) formula like the KPNA calculator at the AstroSage or KPNA Table in the File section.Regards,TW

Table 1: Comparison of Ayanamsa Values

(As of 1st January in D-M-S)

Year

OKPA

JHKPA

NKPA

LAHIRI

1850

21-40

21-39-31

21-40-24

21-45-36

1900

22-22

22-21-50

22-22 16

22-27-55

1950

23-04

23-03-23

23-04-08

23-09-28

2000

23-46

23-45-06

23-46-01

23-51-11

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Table 2: Differences between Ayanamsa Values (in Minutes-Seconds)

Year

OKPA

minus

JHKPA

minus

NKPA

OKPA

minus

NKPA

Lahiri

minus

NKPA

Lahiri

minus

JHKPA

Lahiri

minus

OKPA

1

2

3

4

5

6

7

1850

+0-29

-0-53

-0-24

+5-12

+6-05

+5-36

1900

+0-10

-0-26

-0-16

+5-39

+6-05

+5-55

1950

+0-37

-0-45

-0-08

+5-20

+6-05

+5-28

2000

+0-54

-0-55

-0-01

+5-10

+6-05

+5-11

OKPA= Old KPA , JH-KPA = JHora KPA, NKPA= New KPA Regards,@gro ups.com, "Sudan" <msbohra62@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Dr.Rath,> > My all exercise for,Can we adjust once Jhora for all time so this software give us KPNA or very near which is negligible.> > Now I have interesting data,> > On 1st Jan;1962 KPNA is 23-14-11 Jhora shows 23-14-09.58> > It is by once setting,what is difference 1.42 Seconds !It is really a matter of worry ?I set JHora on date 1st Jan;2009 to add 22.7016 Seconds.> > See further data,> > On 1st Jan;2010 KPNA is 23-54-23 where Jhora shows 23-54-23.25> On 1st Jan;2011 KPNA is 23-55-14 where Jhora shows 23-55-13.51> > As like this,> > On 1st Jan;2017 KPNA is 24-00-15 where Jhoes shows 24-99-15.32> On 1st Jan;2030 KPNA is 24-11-09 where Jhora

shows 24-11-09.10> On 1st Jan;2040 KPNA is 24-19-31 where Jhora shows 24-19-31.99> > What is the differences between these two ,Is it not negligible ?> > Jhora is free and have so many other functions if we can use it for KP than it is very useful tool for KP followers.> > When you cast the chart for Horary(Question) or for RPs you instantly open the software and without any correction you get every thing,it is matter for all exercise.Now make correction at once in your Jhora and see the result.> > Thanks & regards,> > M.S.Bohra> > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath rathluther@ wrote:> >> > Dear Bohraji,> > Instead of doing as you say, one may select "Sayana" option and add tha NKPA directly for the day. It shall be more easy.> > Dr. Rath> > > > > > > > > >

____________ _________ _________ __> > Sunaparantha Kalyan sunaparantha@> > @gro ups.com> > Tue, October 13, 2009 9:24:32 PM> > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > Dear Bhora ji,> > > > Thank you very very much for your detailed reply> > > > Wish you all the best.> > > > Kalyan> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Sudan msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > @gro ups.com> > Tue, October 13, 2009 6:31:32 PM> > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > Dear Sunaparanthaji,> > > > Set JHora as below

:-> > > > In Birth data you select the date 1st Jan,2009 and time 00:00:00. and coordinates and place of your place.> > > > Open Preference >Ayanamsa > select Krishnamurti (KP)> in same window you will find Add Tab. select "Apply the correction" than below it in "Second" add 22.7000 and click OK. You have done now see the Ayanamsa you will get what KPNA is ,23-53-33,for 1st Jan;2009.> > > > Now click again on Preference Tab,you will find Save Preference select it.Now your JHora is set for you on KPNA for this year.> > > > Now close the programme and reopen it and see on today what Ayanamsa you have in your JHora and tally it with other software whom you find correct as per KPNA.> > > > In so many year it shows some differences so we can use it with setting for that year by correcting at "Second" level in Add Tab to get desire KPPNA for that

year.> > > > Hope it will helpful.> > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > @gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bohra Ji,> > > > > > Can you kindly give more explanation for adjusting KPNA in JHL, with an example.> > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > > > Kalyan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Sudan <msbohra62@ ..>> > > @gro ups.com> > > Tue, October 13, 2009 8:16:58 AM> > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > > > >

Dear TWji,> > > > > > Every 1st Jan of new year if you set KPNA by correcting to add in seconds section with choosing Krishnamurti Ayanamsa than set as "Preferences" than you will get KPNA for full year without any correction every time.> > > > > > Ayanamsa > Krishnamurti > Add (Between 22 to 25 second)>second as you get right KPNA on 1st Jan in software of JHora than > Preference > Save Preference.> > > > > > Hope it will helpful.> > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "TW" <tw853@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Friend,> > > > Thank you for the step by step explanation.> > > > What would be the easy and safe way to get the KPNA(2003)?> > > >

Of course, this procedure is for JHora 3.3 version.> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > TW> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected Sir,> > > > > The following are the steps: -> > > > > 1. Click on 'Preferences' .> > > > > 2.Go to 'Related to calculations' .> > > > > 3.Select 'Ayanamsa'.> > > > > 4.Select 'Tropical(sayana) " ayanamsa.> > > > > 5. In 'customize further' box-> > > > > a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'> > > > > b) Select 'Add'.> > > > > c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.> > > > > 6. Finally click OK.> > > > > It is done.>

> > > > > > > > > Due regards.> > > > > Dr. Rath> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > TW <tw853@>> > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM> > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friend,> > > > > Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the JHora positions to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of JHora using members.> > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > TW > > >

> > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted according to own preference.> > > > > > Dr. Rath.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM> > > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bohraji>

> > > > > > > > > > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali. This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW & they are as good as anbody in the group.> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Amit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM> > > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sudan,> > > > > > I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New Ayanamsa...> > > > > > Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much of a difference > > > > > > Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..> > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sudan msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > > > > >

Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >Dear G.Singh ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-> > > > > > >> > > > > > >" Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively. ..!"> > > > > > >> > > > > > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule

?> > > > > > >> > > > > > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa> > > > > > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa> > > > > > >> > > > > > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >Thanks,> > > > > > >> > > > > > >M.S.Bohra> > > > > > >> > > > > > >@gro ups.com, "G" <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth time.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> G. Singh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> @gro ups.com, "TW"

<tw853@> wrote:> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:> > > > > > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> > > > > > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> > > > > > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.> > >

> > > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation> > > > > > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?) > > > > > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money> > > > > > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;> > > > > > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;> > > > > > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>

> Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Thanks and regards,> > > > > > >> > TW > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > Dear Tw ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and late> > > > > > >> > > marriage always

depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith> > > > > > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her> > > > > > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some> > > > > > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon> > > > > > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.> > > > > > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who> > > > > > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.> > > > > > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email> > > > > >

>> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.> > > > > > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give> > > > > > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.> > > > > > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before> > > > > > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring> > > > > > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this> > > > > > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as> > > > > > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an> > > > > >

>> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always remain> > > > > > >> > > non-reliable.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > > > > >

>> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in> > > > > > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really> > > > > > >> > > > delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has> > > > > > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp> > > > > > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old> > > > > > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.> > > > > > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but> > > > > > >> > > > separation

leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to> > > > > > >> > > > study in this regard.> > > > > > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and> > > > > > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to> > > > > > >> > > > the forum.> > > > > > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a> > > > > > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi> > > > > > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar> > > > > > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15),

Lorraine Davis (16), King of> > > > > > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.> > > > > > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,> > > > > > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a> > > > > > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of> > > > > > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV> > > > > > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand> > > > > > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.> > > > > >

>> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and> > > > > > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's> > > > > > >> > > > walking out.> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > > >> > > > TW> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I> > > > > >

>> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -> > > > > > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn> > > > > > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th> > > > > > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (> > > > > > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under> > > > > > >> > > > discussion,> > > > > > >> > > > > only sign exchange.> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?> > > > > > >> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is> > > > > >

>> > > > uploaded in> > > > > > >> > > > > > the File section.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > TW> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,> > > > > > >> > > > Punit> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,> > > > > > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems> > > > > > >> > > > very> > > > > > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something> > > > > > >> > > > quite> > > > > > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying> > > > > > >> > > > > > nature> > > > > > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage> > > > > > >> > > > > > delay.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite

results which shows> > > > > > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth> > > > > > >> > > > details> > > > > > >> > > > > > have> > > > > > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem> > > > > > >> > > > and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > >

> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <> > > > > > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point> > > > > > >> > > > seems> > > > > > >> > > > > > to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being> > > > > > >> > > > 7th> > > > > > >> > > > > > CSL> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points> > > > > > >> > > > have> > > > > > >> > > > > > to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo> > > > > > >> > > > > > also. But> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be> > > > > > >> > > > we> > > > > > >> > > > > > have to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Adith> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out

by Sunil> > > > > > >> > > > ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > I> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love> > > > > > >> > > > marriage/> > > > > > >> > > > > > happy> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives

2-7 signification.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who> > > > > > >> > > > are> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, "adith> > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord> > > > > > >> > > > of> > > > > > >> > > > > > 12 is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)> > > > > > >> > > > and> > > >

> > >> > > > > > sat> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level> > > > > > >> > > > is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in> > > > > > >> > > > > > Jupiter (> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> R)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord> > > > > > >> > >

> > > present,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the> > > > > > >> > > > marraige> > > > > > >> > > > > > is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases> > > > > > >> > > > > > study,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many> > > > > > >> > > > cases.> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>> Moreover> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*> > > > > > >> > > > which> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study> > > > > > >> > > > charts> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which I> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts> > > > > > >> > > > crossed> > > > > > >> > > > > > 11th> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly> > > > > > >> > > > > > signfies> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited> > > > > >

>> > > > in 11> > > > > > >> > > > > > in> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> its> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as> > > > > > >> > > > > > your> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

*But no Pluto effect.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the> > > > > > >> > > > > > signfications> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord> > > > > > >> > > > of> > > > > > >> > > > > > 5> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got> >

> > > > >> > > > married> > > > > > >> > > > > > to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy> > > > > > >> > > > marital> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> life> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@> > > > > > >> > > > > > >wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many> > > > > > >> > > > experieced> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no> > > > > > >> > > > stability> > > > > > >> > > > > > in> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> job> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a> > > > > > >> > > > > > Neptune> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL> > > > > > >> > > > signifies> > > > > > >> > > > >

> any of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL> > > > > > >> > > > > > (which> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected> > > > > > >> > > > with> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some> > > > > > >> > > > effect> > > > > > >> > > > > > on> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I> > > > > > >> > > > > > understood> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as> > > > > > >> > > > experienced> > > > > > >> > > > > > by> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> him in> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be> > > > > >

>> > > > > > promised> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> due to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get> > > > > > >> > > > his> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> personal> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.> > > > > > >> > > > He> > > > > > >> >

> > > > has> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> given many> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache> > > > > > >> > > > > > Dene"> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those> > > > > > >> > > > articles.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.> > > > > > >>

> > > If> > > > > > >> > > > > > you> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of> > > > > > >> > > > marriage I> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will be> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare> > > > > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%> > > > > > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_

vijayanand@> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -> > > > > > >> > > > View> > > > > > >> > > > > > from> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani> > > > >

> >> > > > > > aspects> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,> > > > > > >> > > > > > aspected> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then> > > > > > >> > > > aspected> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as> > > > > > >> > > > well> > > > > > >> > > > > > as> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected by> > > > > > >> > > > > > pluto,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> then> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see> > > > >

> >> > > > that> > > > > > >> > > > > > when> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a> > > > > > >> > > > > > considerable> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is> > > > > > >> > > > not> > > > > > >> > > > > > having> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this> > > > > > >> > > > case,> > > > > > >> > > > > > pluto> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> has> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had> > > > > > >> > > > an> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion

to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted> > > > > > >> > > > with> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to> > > > > > >> > > > 7th> > > > > > >> > > > > > cusp.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> So not> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another> > > > > > >> > > > reasons> > > > > > >>

> > > > > which> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The> > > > > > >> > > > SCientific> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 ........7CSL Sat> > > > > > >> > > > aspects> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question> > > > > > >> > > > of> > > > > > >> > > > > > DBA> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of Sunil ji's> > > > > > >> > > > > > principle> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> is even> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto> > > > > > >> > > > the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> result is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message #> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr.> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunil> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results

of neptune is not yet> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... ......... .......but pluto> > > > > > >> > > > gives> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> negation"2. I> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When> > > > > > >> > > > we> > > > > > >> > > > > > say> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is> > > > > > >> > > > based> > > >

> > >> > > > > > on> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has> > > > > > >> > > > negative> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases> > > > > > >> > > > > > should be> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studied> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such> > > > > > >> > > > as> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,> > > > > > >> > > > > > Uranus> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which have> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.> > > > > > >> > > > This> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials> > > > > > >> > > > -> > > > > > >> > > > > > View> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star> > > > > > >> > > > > > lord> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theory> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1)

Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house> > > > > > >> > > > > > (there> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage> > > > > > >> > > > > > instead> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji> > > > > > >> > > > has> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> found any> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of> > > > > > >> > > > Pluto> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found> > > > > > >> > > > in KP> > > > > > >> > > > > > or> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a small> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea> > > > > > >> > > > is> > > > > > >> > > > > > not> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> TW> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This> > > > > > >> > > > > > confirms> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates

houses in question through aspects of DBAS> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/> > > > > > >> > > > 16123> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > > > > > >> > > > 16114> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > > > > > >> > > > 14157> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > Friends and Members> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the> > > > > > >> > > > > > effects of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more> > > > > > >> > > > > > appropriate> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> to> > > > > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> study> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years> > > > > > >> > > > to> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > >>> complete one> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of> > > > > > >> > > > 27> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing> > > > > >

>> > > > its> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable> > > > > > >> > > > TW ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> says> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God> > > > > > >> > > > Shiva,> > > > > > >> > > > > > the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring> > > > > > >> > > > deep> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is> > > > > > >> > > > > > destruction> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477)."> > > > >

> >> > > > > > This> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune> > > > > > >> > > > are> > > > > > >> > > > > > not> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced> > > > > > >> > > > such> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on> > > > > > >> > > > Pluto's> > > > > > >> > > > > > (or> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no> > > > > >

>> > > > research> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> data> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari> > > > > > >> > > > Dasha> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> System..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is> > > > > > >> > > > conjunction> > > > > > >> > > > > >

or> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed> > > > > > >> > > > orb). I> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> would> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is> > > > > > >> > > > correct> > > > > > >> > > > > > or> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has> > > > > > >> > > > > > come> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> across> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services> > > > > > >> > > > for> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View> > > > > > >> > > > from> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug> > > > > > >> > > > > > 2009)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Western> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his> > > > > > >> > > > > > daughter> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,> > > > > > >> > > > Pluto> > > > > > >> > > > > > is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> known as> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey> > > > > > >> > > > Green> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> said that> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery> > > > > > >> > > > of> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > >>> soul,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive> > > > > > >> > > > > > side of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian> > > > > > >> > > > > > profession is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,> > > > > > >> > > > page> > > > > > >> > > > > > 46)> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of> > > > > > >> > > > > > Pluto> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0> > > > > > >> > > > are> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=)

8%. The> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from> > > > > > >> > > > the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise> > > > > > >> > > > > > appearance is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and> > > > > > >> > > > 8> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> houses

by> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the> > > > > > >> > > > > > cause> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of no> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.> > > > > > >> > > > Hence> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance> > > > > > >> > > > in> > > > > > >> > > > > > the> > > > > >

>> > > > > > > >>> 7th> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships> > > > > > >> > > > or> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not> > > > > > >> > > > wholly> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological> > > > > > >> > > > > > aspects.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific> > > > > > >> > > > > > procedure> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> followed> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to> > > > > > >> > > > > > magnify>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that> > > > > > >> > > > planet> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> always for> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection> > > > > > >> > > > > > carries> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and> > > > > > >> > > > > > wealth.> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or> > > > > > >> > > > benefic.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power> > > > > > >> > > > > > struggle> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> between> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the> > > > > > >> > > > 7th is> > > > > > >> > > > > > not> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to> > > > > > >> > > > > > relinquish> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> them> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA> > > > > > >> > > > > > charts> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no> > > > > > >> > > > > > marriage.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse> > > > > > >> > > > > > effects,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one> > > > > > >> > > > > > hundred> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith> > > > > > >> > > > Hill> > > > > > >> > > > > > in> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this> > > > > > >> > > > horoscope> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of> > > > > >

>> > > > > > write> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on> > > > > > >> > > > effect> > > > > > >> > > > > > of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I> > > > > > >> > > > had> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> almost> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for

reminding.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents> > > > > > >> > > > from> > > > > > >> > > > > > his> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto Effects" the> > > > > > >> > > > extra> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following> > > > > > >> > > > these> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are> > > > > > >> > > > considered.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting> > > > > > >> > > > Pluto> > > > > > >> > > > > > @4> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good> > > > > > >> > > > > > results> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto

gives a desctructive results> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto> > > > > > >> > > > effects> > > > > > >> > > > > > and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> when> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i> > > >

> > >> > > > have> > > > > > >> > > > > > got> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> many> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________

_________ __> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > Dear Amit Soman ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.> > > > > > >> > > > Out of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close> > > > > > >> > > > > > cojunction> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> with the> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of> > > > > > >> > > > 8.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in> > > > > > >> > > > its> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> star).> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further> > > > > > >>

> > > Mercury> > > > > > >> > > > > > being> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the> > > > > > >> > > > 5(12> > > > > > >> > > > > > to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and> > > > > > >> > > > it> > >

> > > >> > > > > > is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> being> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)> > > > > > >> > > > .> > > > > > >> > > > > > But> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it> > > > > > >> > > > may> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or

profession related to foreign> > > > > > >> > > > countries.> > > > > > >> > > > > > But> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On

Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman> > > > > > >> > > > amitbs2002@> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen> > > > > > >> > > > shot in> > > > > > >> > > > > > the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the> > > > > > >> > > > cusp> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> chart +> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve :

(10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance> > > > > > >> > > > ),11 & 10.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but> > > > > > >> > > > also> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he> > > > > > >> > > > will> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad> > > > > > >> > > > > > economic> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is> > > > > > >> > > > bad> > > > > > >> > > > > > .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> We see> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.> > > > > > >> > > > > > signification> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> are> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=> > > > > > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th> > > > > > >> > > > sub> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> should> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> > > > >Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The

Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this> > > > > > >> > > > time,usingK. P.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier> > > > > > >> > > > > > your> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II> > > > > > >> > > > as> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord> > > > > > >> > > > and> > > > > > >> > > > > > the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this> > > > > > >> > > > > > TOB...you> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > Query on financials> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a> > > > > > >> > > > horoscope> > > > > > >> > > > > > of a>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of> > > > > > >> > > > > > issues> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> . I> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When> > > > > > >> > > > i> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%> > > > > > >> > > > > > wrong on> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out> > > > > > >> > > > how> > > > > > >> > > > > > he> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >

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>> > > > > > >> > > > http://sigads. rediff.com/ RealMedia/ ads/click_ nx.ads/www. rediffmail. com/signaturelin e.htm@Middle> > > > > > >> > > > ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > --> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask. com> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >

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> http://mail. > > >> >>

October 17, 2009

Dear Bohraji,

With due apology I would like to say that there is no proof that any Ayanamsa is absolutely correct. No one is sure which is the 0 year as regards Ayanamsa is concerned. We do not know how much we have precessed during these years. I think the rate of precession is perhaps correct. What I have studied in the nets, the rate varies every day, every month and every year. There is a rising trend though. Therefor to be meticulous for few seconds in ayanamsa does not bear any importance. But for academic reasons and for uniformity in predictions we have to use a particular(NKPA) ayanamsa.

Dr. Rath.

Sudan <msbohra62 Sent: Fri, October 16, 2009 3:07:07 PM Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

Dear Dr.Rath,My all exercise for,Can we adjust once Jhora for all time so this software give us KPNA or very near which is negligible.Now I have interesting data,On 1st Jan;1962 KPNA is 23-14-11 Jhora shows 23-14-09.58It is by once setting,what is difference 1.42 Seconds !It is really a matter of worry ?I set JHora on date 1st Jan;2009 to add 22.7016 Seconds.See further data,On 1st Jan;2010 KPNA is 23-54-23 where Jhora shows 23-54-23.25On 1st Jan;2011 KPNA is 23-55-14 where Jhora shows 23-55-13.51As like this,On 1st Jan;2017 KPNA is 24-00-15 where Jhoes shows 24-99-15.32On 1st Jan;2030 KPNA is 24-11-09 where Jhora shows 24-11-09.10On 1st Jan;2040 KPNA is 24-19-31 where Jhora shows 24-19-31.99What is the differences between these two ,Is it not negligible ?Jhora is free and have so many other functions if we can use it for KP than it is very useful tool for KP

followers.When you cast the chart for Horary(Question) or for RPs you instantly open the software and without any correction you get every thing,it is matter for all exercise.Now make correction at once in your Jhora and see the result.Thanks & regards,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bohraji,> Instead of doing as you say, one may select "Sayana" option and add tha NKPA directly for the day. It shall be more easy.> Dr. Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...>> @gro

ups.com> Tue, October 13, 2009 9:24:32 PM> Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > Dear Bhora ji,> > Thank you very very much for your detailed reply> > Wish you all the best.> > Kalyan> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> @gro ups.com> Tue, October 13, 2009 6:31:32 PM> Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > Dear Sunaparanthaji,> > Set JHora as below :-> > In Birth data you select the date 1st Jan,2009 and time 00:00:00. and coordinates and place of your place.> > Open Preference >Ayanamsa > select Krishnamurti (KP)> in same window you will find Add Tab.

select "Apply the correction" than below it in "Second" add 22.7000 and click OK. You have done now see the Ayanamsa you will get what KPNA is ,23-53-33,for 1st Jan;2009.> > Now click again on Preference Tab,you will find Save Preference select it.Now your JHora is set for you on KPNA for this year.> > Now close the programme and reopen it and see on today what Ayanamsa you have in your JHora and tally it with other software whom you find correct as per KPNA.> > In so many year it shows some differences so we can use it with setting for that year by correcting at "Second" level in Add Tab to get desire KPPNA for that year.> > Hope it will helpful.> > Thanks & regards,> > M.S.Bohra> > @gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Bohra Ji,> > > > Can you kindly

give more explanation for adjusting KPNA in JHL, with an example.> > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > Kalyan> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Sudan <msbohra62@ ..>> > @gro ups.com> > Tue, October 13, 2009 8:16:58 AM> > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > Dear TWji,> > > > Every 1st Jan of new year if you set KPNA by correcting to add in seconds section with choosing Krishnamurti Ayanamsa than set as "Preferences" than you will get KPNA for full year without any correction every time.> > > > Ayanamsa > Krishnamurti > Add (Between 22 to 25 second)>second as you get right KPNA on 1st Jan in software of JHora than > Preference > Save

Preference.> > > > Hope it will helpful.> > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > @gro ups.com, "TW" <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Friend,> > > Thank you for the step by step explanation.> > > What would be the easy and safe way to get the KPNA(2003)?> > > Of course, this procedure is for JHora 3.3 version.> > > Thanks and regards,> > > TW> > > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Sir,> > > > The following are the steps: -> > > > 1. Click on 'Preferences' .> > > > 2.Go to 'Related to calculations' .> > > > 3.Select 'Ayanamsa'.> > > > 4.Select

'Tropical(sayana) " ayanamsa.> > > > 5. In 'customize further' box-> > > > a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'> > > > b) Select 'Add'.> > > > c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.> > > > 6. Finally click OK.> > > > It is done.> > > > > > > > Due regards.> > > > Dr. Rath> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > TW <tw853@>> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM> > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear

Friend,> > > > Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the JHora positions to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of JHora using members.> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > TW > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted according to own preference.> > > > > Dr. Rath.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>> > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM> > > > >

Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bohraji> > > > > > > > > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali. This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW & they are as good as anbody in the group.> > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > Amit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM> > > > > Re:

Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sudan,> > > > > I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New Ayanamsa...> > > > > Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much of a difference > > > > > Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi> > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sudan

<msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >Dear G.Singh ji,> > > > > >> > > > > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-> > > > > >> > > > > >" Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively. ..!"> > > > > >> > > > > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct

as per rule ?> > > > > >> > > > > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa> > > > > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa> > > > > >> > > > > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.> > > > > >> > > > > >Thanks,> > > > > >> > > > > >M.S.Bohra> > > > > >> > > > > >@gro ups.com, "G" <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >>> > > > > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth time.> > > > > >> > > > > > >> G. Singh> > > > > >> > > > > > >> @gro ups.com, "TW" <tw853@> wrote:> > > > > >> >> >

> > > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:> > > > > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> > > > > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> > > > > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.> > > > > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation> > > > >

>> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?) > > > > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money> > > > > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;> > > > > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;> > > > > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Thanks and

regards,> > > > > >> > TW > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > > Dear Tw ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and late> > > > > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith> > > > > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her> > > > > >> > >

place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some> > > > > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon> > > > > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.> > > > > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who> > > > > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.> > > > > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email> > > > > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.> > > > > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give> > > > > >> > > early results. Clues are already

available in Vedic as well as KP.> > > > > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before> > > > > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring> > > > > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this> > > > > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as> > > > > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an> > > > > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always remain> > > > > >> > > non-reliable.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >

>> > > > > > > > >> > > Punit Pandey> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in> > > > > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really> > > > > >> > > > delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more

such cases?>>>It has> > > > > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp> > > > > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old> > > > > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.> > > > > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but> > > > > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to> > > > > >> > > > study in this regard.> > > > > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and> > > > > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to> > >

> > >> > > > the forum.> > > > > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a> > > > > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi> > > > > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar> > > > > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of> > > > > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.> > > > > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,> > > > > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a> > > > > >> > > > doubt in

TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of> > > > > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV> > > > > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand> > > > > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.> > > > > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and> > > > > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's> > > > > >> > > > walking out.> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > >> > > > TW> > > > >

>> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -> > > > > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn> > > > > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th> > > > > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (> > > > > >> > > > > http://logy.

astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under> > > > > >> > > > discussion,> > > > > >> > > > > only sign exchange.> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is> > > > > >> > > > uploaded in> > > > > >> > > > > > the File section.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > TW> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,> > > > > >> > > > Punit> > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems> > > > > >> > > > very> > > > > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something> > > > > >> > > > quite> > > > > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying> > > > > >> > > > > > nature> > > > > >> > > > > >

> of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage> > > > > >> > > > > > delay.> > > > > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows> > > > > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth> > > > > >> > > > details> > > > > >> > > > > > have> > > > > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem> > > > > >> > > > and> > > > > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >

> Thanks & Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <> > > > > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > I

have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point> > > > > >> > > > seems> > > > > >> > > > > > to> > > > > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being> > > > > >> > > > 7th> > > > > >> > > > > > CSL> > > > > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points> > > > > >> > > > have> > > > > >> > > > > > to> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign> > > > > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo> > > > > >> > > > > > also. But> > > > > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be> > > > > >> > > > we> > > > > >> > > > > > have to> > > > > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1> > > > > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary

surgery).> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Adith> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out

by Sunil> > > > > >> > > > ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > I> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love> > > > > >> > > > marriage/> > > > > >> > > > > > happy> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.> > > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who> > > > > >> > > > are> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th

also.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> a early

marriage?> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, "adith> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > >

> > > >>> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord> > > > > >> > > > of> > > > > >> > > > > > 12 is> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)> > > > > >> > > > and> > > > > >> > > > > > sat> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12

signfications by the star level> > > > > >> > > > is> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in> > > > > >> > > > > > Jupiter (> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> R)> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord> > > > > >> > > > > > present,> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the> > > > > >> >

> > marraige> > > > > >> > > > > > is> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases> > > > > >> > > > > > study,> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many> > > > > >> > > > cases.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*> > > > > >> > > > which> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

also> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study> > > > > >> > > > charts> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which I> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM> > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts> > > > > >> > > > crossed> > > > > >> > >

> > > 11th> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly> > > > > >> > > > > > signfies> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited> > > > > >> > > > in 11> > > > > >> > > > > > in> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> its> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.> > > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as> > > > > >> > > > > > your> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the> > > > > >> > > > > > signfications> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect

of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord> > > > > >> > > > of> > > > > >> > > > > > 5> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got> > > > > >> > > > married> > > > > >> > > > > > to> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy> > > > >

>> > > > marital> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> life> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri,

Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@> > > > > >> > > > > > >wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many> > > > > >> > > > experieced> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.> > > > > >> > > > >

> > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no> > > > > >> > > > stability> >

> > > >> > > > > > in> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> job> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a> > > > > >> > > > > > Neptune> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil

gondhalekar> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that

marriage is promised if 7CSL> > > > > >> > > > signifies> > > > > >> > > > > > any of> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL> > > > > >> > > > > > (which> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected> > > > > >> > > > with> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some> > > > > >> > >

> effect> > > > > >> > > > > > on> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I> > > > > >> > > > > > understood> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as> > > > > >> > > > experienced> > > > > >> > > > > > by> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> him in> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances

marriage may not be> > > > > >> > > > > > promised> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> due to> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get> > > > > >> > > > his> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> personal> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.> > > > > >> > > > He> > > > > >> >

> > > > has> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> given many> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache> > > > > >> > > > > > Dene"> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those> > > > > >> > > > articles.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.> > > > > >> > > > If> > > > >

>> > > > > > you> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of> > > > > >> > > > marriage I> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will be> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%> > > > > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50

AM> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -> > > > > >> > > > View> > > > > >> > > > > > from> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani> > > > > >> > > > > > aspects> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,> > > > > >> > > > > > aspected> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then> > > > > >> > > > aspected> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as> > >

> > >> > > > well> > > > > >> > > > > > as> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected by> > > > > >> > > > > > pluto,> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> then> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see> > > > > >> > > > that> > > > > >> > > > > > when> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps

are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a> > > > > >> > > > > > considerable> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is> > > > > >> > > > not> > > > > >> > > > > > having> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this> > > > > >> > > > case,> > > > > >> > > > > > pluto> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not> > > > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> has> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had> > > > > >> > > > an> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted> > > > > >> > > > with> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to> > > > > >> > > > 7th> > > > > >> > > > > > cusp.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> So not> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another> > > > > >> > > > reasons> > > > > >> > > > > > which> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The> > > > > >> > > > SCientific> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 ........7CSL Sat> > > > > >> > > > aspects> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question> > > > > >> > > > of> > > > > >> > > > >

> DBA> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of Sunil ji's> > > > > >> > > > > > principle> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is even> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto> > > > > >> > > > the> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> result is> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message #> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr.> > > > > >> > > > > > Sunil> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... ......... .......but pluto> > > > > >> > > > gives> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> negation"2. I> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When> > > > > >> > > > we> > > > > >> > > > > > say> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> that> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is> > > > > >> > > > based> > > > > >> > > > > > on> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has> > > > > >> > > > negative> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases> > > > > >> > > > > > should be> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studied>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such> > > > > >> > > > as> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,> > > > > >> > > > > > Uranus> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which have> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.> > > > > >> > > > This> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may> > > > > >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials> > > > > >> > > > -> > > > > >> > > > > > View> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star> > > > > >> > > > > > lord> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theory> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the

house> > > > > >> > > > > > (there> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage> > > > > >> > > > > > instead> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji> > > > > >> > > > has> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> found any> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of> > > > > >> > > > Pluto> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found> > > > > >> > > > in KP> > > > > >> > > > > > or> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a small> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea> > > > > >> > > > is> > > > > >> > > > > > not> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> Thanks and regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This> > > > > >> > > > > > confirms> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that> > > > > >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

TW> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from> > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > > > > >> > > > 16123> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > > > > >> > > > 16114> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > > > > >> > > > 14157> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the> > > > > >> > > > > > effects of> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more> > > > > >> > > > > > appropriate> > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>> to> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years> > > > > >> > > > to> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of> > > > > >> > > > 27> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing> > > > > >>

> > > its> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable> > > > > >> > > > TW ji> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> says> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God> > > > > >> > > > Shiva,> > > > > >> > > > > > the> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and> > > > > >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring> > > > > >> > > > deep> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is> > > > > >> > > > > > destruction> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477)."> > > > > >> > > > > > This> > > > > >> > > >

> > > >>> shows> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune> > > > > >> > > > are> > > > > >> > > > > > not> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced> > > > > >> > > >

such> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on> > > > > >> > > > Pluto's> > > > > >> > > > > > (or> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no> > > > > >> > > > research> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> data> > > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> available.. Further> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari> > > > > >> > > > Dasha> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> System..> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is> > > > > >> > > > conjunction> > > > > >> > > > > > or> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with

these plants (of course within prescribed> > > > > >> > > > orb). I> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> would> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is> > > > > >> > > > correct> > > > > >> > > > > > or> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has> > > > > >> > > > > > come> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> across> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services> > > > > >> > > > for> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View> > > > > >> > > > from> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug> > > > > >> > > >

> > 2009)> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Western> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his> > > > > >> > > > > > daughter> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,> > > > > >> > > > Pluto> > > > > >> > > > > > is> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> known as> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey> > > > > >> > > > Green> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> said that> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery> > > > > >> > > > of> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive> > > > > >> > > > > > side of> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common

Plutonian> > > > > >> > > > > > profession is> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,> > > > > >> > > > page> > > > > >> > > > > > 46)> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of> > > > > >> > > > > > Pluto> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> and> > > > > >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0> > > > > >> > > > are> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5> > > > > >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from> > > > > >> > > > the> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise> > > > > >> > > > > > appearance is> > > > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and> > > > > >> > > > 8> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the> > > > > >> > > > > > cause> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of no> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.> > > > > >> > > > Hence> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance> > > > > >> > > > in> > > > > >> > > > > > the> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships> > > > > >> > > > or> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry> > > > > >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not> > > > > >> > > > wholly> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological> > > > > >> > > > > > aspects.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific> > > > > >> > > > > > procedure> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> followed> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by

Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to> > > > > >> > > > > > magnify> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that> > > > > >> > > > planet> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> always for> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection> > > > > >> > > > > > carries> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides

success and> > > > > >> > > > > > wealth.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or> > > > > >> > > > benefic.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power> > > > > >> > > > > > struggle> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> between> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the> > > > > >> > > > 7th is> > > > > >> > > > > > not> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to> > > > > >> > > > > > relinquish> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> them> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA> > > > > >> > > > > > charts> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no> > > > > >> > > > > > marriage.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse> > > > > >> > > > > > effects,> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one> > > > > >> > > > > > hundred> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith> > > > > >> > > > Hill> > > > > >> > > > > > in> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com,

Amit Soman wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this> > > > > >> > > > horoscope> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of> > > > > >> > > > > > write> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in

a> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on> > > > > >> > > > effect> > > > > >> > > > > > of> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I> > > > > >> > > > had> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> almost> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >

> > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents> > > > > >> > > > from> > > > > >> > > > > > his> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto Effects" the> > > > > >> > > > extra> > > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> planetary> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following> > > > > >> > > > these> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are> > > > > >> > > > considered.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also

aspecting> > > > > >> > > > Pluto> > > > > >> > > > > > @4> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good> > > > > >> > > > > > results> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about

pluto> > > > > >> > > > effects> > > > > >> > > > > > and> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> when> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i> > > > > >> > > > have> > > > > >> > > > > > got> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> many> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto

effects.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.> > > > > >> > > > Out of> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >>> these 8> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close> > > > > >> > > > > > cojunction> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> with the> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of> > > > > >> > > > 8.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies

11(no planet in> > > > > >> > > > its> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> star).> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further> > > > > >> > > > Mercury> > > > > >> > > > > > being> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10,

the> > > > > >> > > > 5(12> > > > > >> > > > > > to> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and> > > > > >> > > > it> > > > > >> > > > > > is> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> being> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)> > > > > >> > > > .> > > > > >> > > > > > But> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it> > > > > >> > > > may> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign> > > > > >> > > > countries.> > > > > >> > > > > > But> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

Regards> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman> > > > > >> > > > amitbs2002@> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen> > > > > >> > > > shot in> > > > > >> > > > > > the> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc> > > > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the> > > > > >> > > > cusp> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)> > > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance> > > > > >> > > > ),11 & 10.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in

profession but> > > > > >> > > > also> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he> > > > > >> > > > will> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad> > > > > >> > > > > > economic> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is> > > > > >> > > > bad> > > > > >> > > > > > .> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> We see> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.> > > > > >> > > > > > signification> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> are> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > >Ra : - -> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=> > > > > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6> > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th> > > > > >> > > > sub> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> should> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > >Regards> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.> > > > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this> > > > > >> > > > time,usingK. P.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier> > > > > >> > > > > > your> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II> > > > > >> > > > as> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the

sublord> > > > > >> > > > and> > > > > >> > > > > > the> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this> > > > > >> > > > > > TOB...you> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will> > > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> get it right this time....> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a> > > > > >> > > > horoscope> > > > > >> > > > > > of a> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of> > > > > >> > > > > > issues> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >>> . I> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When> > > > > >> > > > i> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%> > > > > >> > > > > > wrong on> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP> > > > > >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> reason for it.> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out> > > > > >> > > > how> > > > > >> > > > > > he> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?> > > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > >

> > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >

> >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> <> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > http://sigads. rediff.com/ RealMedia/ ads/click_ nx.ads/www. rediffmail. com/signaturelin e.htm@Middle> > > > > >> > > > ?> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > --> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask. com> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > >

>> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________

__> > > > > > http://mail. > >>

October 17, 2009

Dear Sir,

I know JHora is prepared for Traditional system and as for requirement of SJC

followers so computation in software is for that.

You have taken lot of pain to explain me in details,I am very thankful to you

for this.If we have seniors as like you than we have more advantages to learn

the facts.

Because of Old KP is not constant so computation based on Lahiri Ayanamsa can't

produce the correct KPNA,for KPNA software must have the computation as per Old

KP or NKPA.

It is fact that we can't set JHora to get 'correct' KPNA (1993) but by setting

if we can get near by with difference of few Second (1 to 2)than it is any

remarkable changes in KP chart ?

As Sunaji have mentioned he got difference and you have confirmed that actual

KPNA and Punitji's calculator have 2 Second difference but most of we are using

AstroSage to confirmation or for correct KP chart.AstroSage is online only.

Thanks & regards,

M.S.Bohra

, " TW " <tw853 wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> 1. This is mathematics. As the KPNA (2003) formula is not applied in

> JHora, and so there is no base to adjust in oredr to get the KPNA once

> and for all time.

> 2. The difference between the Lahiri and Old KPA is not constant (col 7

> of table 2) as assumed to be the constant difference of around 6min:5sec

> (col 6 of table 2).

> 3. Since there is no constant difference between the ayanamsas as shown

> in the table 2, the only correct way is to take the KPNA value

> calculated from the KPNA (2003) formula like the KPNA calculator at the

> AstroSage or KPNA Table in the File section.

> Regards,

> TW

>

> Table 1: Comparison of Ayanamsa Values

>

> (As of 1st January in D-M-S)

>

> Year

>

> OKPA

>

> JHKPA

>

> NKPA

>

> LAHIRI

>

> 1850

>

> 21-40

>

> 21-39-31

>

> 21-40-24

>

> 21-45-36

>

> 1900

>

> 22-22

>

> 22-21-50

>

> 22-22 16

>

> 22-27-55

>

> 1950

>

> 23-04

>

> 23-03-23

>

> 23-04-08

>

> 23-09-28

>

> 2000

>

> 23-46

>

> 23-45-06

>

> 23-46-01

>

> 23-51-11

>

> REVISIT OF KPA.doc

> <http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/QGDYSkzclB8WdUho9z7KjYjyQDRITkLd7NICuqRAaU\

> ujkhX_QMvykIfmpd0SSOyDdkbuG2n9PjHoca2e5t4zLUS8rg/REVISIT%20OF%20KPA.doc>

>

> Table 2: Differences between Ayanamsa Values (in Minutes-Seconds)

>

> Year

>

> OKPA

>

> minus

>

> JHKPA

>

> JHKPA

>

> minus

>

> NKPA

>

> OKPA

>

> minus

>

> NKPA

>

> Lahiri

>

> minus

>

> NKPA

>

> Lahiri

>

> minus

>

> JHKPA

>

> Lahiri

>

> minus

>

> OKPA

>

> 1

>

> 2

>

> 3

>

> 4

>

> 5

>

> 6

>

> 7

>

> 1850

>

> +0-29

>

> -0-53

>

> -0-24

>

> +5-12

>

> +6-05

>

> +5-36

>

> 1900

>

> +0-10

>

> -0-26

>

> -0-16

>

> +5-39

>

> +6-05

>

> +5-55

>

> 1950

>

> +0-37

>

> -0-45

>

> -0-08

>

> +5-20

>

> +6-05

>

> +5-28

>

> 2000

>

> +0-54

>

> -0-55

>

> -0-01

>

> +5-10

>

> +6-05

>

> +5-11

>

> OKPA= Old KPA, JH-KPA = JHora KPA, NKPA= New KPA

>

> Regards,

>

> , " Sudan " <msbohra62@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Dr.Rath,

> >

> > My all exercise for,Can we adjust once Jhora for all time so this

> software give us KPNA or very near which is negligible.

> >

> > Now I have interesting data,

> >

> > On 1st Jan;1962 KPNA is 23-14-11 Jhora shows 23-14-09.58

> >

> > It is by once setting,what is difference 1.42 Seconds !It is really a

> matter of worry ?I set JHora on date 1st Jan;2009 to add 22.7016

> Seconds.

> >

> > See further data,

> >

> > On 1st Jan;2010 KPNA is 23-54-23 where Jhora shows 23-54-23.25

> > On 1st Jan;2011 KPNA is 23-55-14 where Jhora shows 23-55-13.51

> >

> > As like this,

> >

> > On 1st Jan;2017 KPNA is 24-00-15 where Jhoes shows 24-99-15.32

> > On 1st Jan;2030 KPNA is 24-11-09 where Jhora shows 24-11-09.10

> > On 1st Jan;2040 KPNA is 24-19-31 where Jhora shows 24-19-31.99

> >

> > What is the differences between these two ,Is it not negligible ?

> >

> > Jhora is free and have so many other functions if we can use it for KP

> than it is very useful tool for KP followers.

> >

> > When you cast the chart for Horary(Question)or for RPs you instantly

> open the software and without any correction you get every thing,it is

> matter for all exercise.Now make correction at once in your Jhora and

> see the result.

> >

> > Thanks & regards,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

> > , Luther Rath rathluther@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bohraji,

> > > Instead of doing as you say, one may select " Sayana " option and add

> tha NKPA directly for the day. It shall be more easy.

> > > Dr. Rath

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Sunaparantha Kalyan sunaparantha@

> > >

> > > Tue, October 13, 2009 9:24:32 PM

> > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from

> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > >

> > > Dear Bhora ji,

> > >

> > > Thank you very very much for your detailed reply

> > >

> > > Wish you all the best.

> > >

> > > Kalyan

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Sudan msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Tue, October 13, 2009 6:31:32 PM

> > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

> Gondhelkar

> > >

> > > Dear Sunaparanthaji,

> > >

> > > Set JHora as below :-

> > >

> > > In Birth data you select the date 1st Jan,2009 and time 00:00:00.

> and coordinates and place of your place.

> > >

> > > Open Preference >Ayanamsa > select Krishnamurti (KP)> in same window

> you will find Add Tab. select " Apply the correction " than below it in

> " Second " add 22.7000 and click OK. You have done now see the Ayanamsa

> you will get what KPNA is ,23-53-33,for 1st Jan;2009.

> > >

> > > Now click again on Preference Tab,you will find Save Preference

> select it.Now your JHora is set for you on KPNA for this year.

> > >

> > > Now close the programme and reopen it and see on today what Ayanamsa

> you have in your JHora and tally it with other software whom you find

> correct as per KPNA.

> > >

> > > In so many year it shows some differences so we can use it with

> setting for that year by correcting at " Second " level in Add Tab to get

> desire KPPNA for that year.

> > >

> > > Hope it will helpful.

> > >

> > > Thanks & regards,

> > >

> > > M.S.Bohra

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan

> <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bohra Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Can you kindly give more explanation for adjusting KPNA in JHL,

> with an example.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > >

> > > > Kalyan

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Sudan <msbohra62@ ..>

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Tue, October 13, 2009 8:16:58 AM

> > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

> Gondhelkar

> > > >

> > > > Dear TWji,

> > > >

> > > > Every 1st Jan of new year if you set KPNA by correcting to add in

> seconds section with choosing Krishnamurti Ayanamsa than set as

> " Preferences " than you will get KPNA for full year without any

> correction every time.

> > > >

> > > > Ayanamsa > Krishnamurti > Add (Between 22 to 25 second)>second as

> you get right KPNA on 1st Jan in software of JHora than > Preference >

> Save Preference.

> > > >

> > > > Hope it will helpful.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & regards,

> > > >

> > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > > Thank you for the step by step explanation.

> > > > > What would be the easy and safe way to get the KPNA(2003)?

> > > > > Of course, this procedure is for JHora 3.3 version.

> > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > TW

> > > > >

> > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ >

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > > > The following are the steps: -

> > > > > > 1. Click on 'Preferences' .

> > > > > > 2.Go to 'Related to calculations' .

> > > > > > 3.Select 'Ayanamsa'.

> > > > > > 4.Select 'Tropical(sayana) " ayanamsa.

> > > > > > 5. In 'customize further' box-

> > > > > > a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'

> > > > > > b) Select 'Add'.

> > > > > > c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.

> > > > > > 6. Finally click OK.

> > > > > > It is done.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Due regards.

> > > > > > Dr. Rath

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > TW <tw853@>

> > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM

> > > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from

> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > > > Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the

> JHora positions to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of

> JHora using members.

> > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > TW

> > > > > >

> > > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@

> ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted

> according to own preference.

> > > > > > > Dr. Rath.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>

> > > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View

> from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bohraji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage /

> Mykundali. This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with

> almost all the SW & they are as good as anbody in the group.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > Amit

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> > > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM

> > > > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View

> from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sudan,

> > > > > > > I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa

> used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s

> SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use

> K.P. New Ayanamsa...

> > > > > > > Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much

> of a difference

> > > > > > > Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB

> arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness.

> ..

> > > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Sudan msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from

> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Dear G.Singh ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and

> the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and

> sub-lord respectively. ..! "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level

> of Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > > > > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Thanks,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >M.S.Bohra

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >@gro ups.com, " G " <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...>

> wrote:

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I

> rectified my birth time.

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> G. Singh

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB

> of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn

> something practically by discussion in the forum.

> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given

> under:

> > > > > > > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > > > > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > > > > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > > > > > > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra)

> marriage and seperation

> > > > > > > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high

> status (possibly by lottery gain?)

> > > > > > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus)

> suddenly got big money

> > > > > > > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second

> time monetary gain;

> > > > > > > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a

> very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while

> studying abroad getting schorlarship;

> > > > > > > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain

> and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only

> transit

> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB

> taken.

> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > >> > TW

> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey

> <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear.

> Early marriage and late

> > > > > > > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If

> we can see from Adith

> > > > > > > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not

> that early. In her

> > > > > > > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age

> which is not true for some

> > > > > > > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very

> well negated by Moon

> > > > > > > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for

> from Adith ji's email.

> > > > > > > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there

> are KP astrologers who

> > > > > > > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > > > > > > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you

> were referring my email

> > > > > > > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > > > > > > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are

> the planet that give

> > > > > > > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic

> as well as KP.

> > > > > > > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of

> birth details before

> > > > > > > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he

> will not only bring

> > > > > > > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An

> astrologer should do this

> > > > > > > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the

> information with the source as

> > > > > > > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally

> with that. If an

> > > > > > > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future

> predictions will always remain

> > > > > > > >> > > non-reliable.

> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage "

> is uploaded in

> > > > > > > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo

> cases do not really

> > > > > > > >> > > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more

> such cases?>>>It has

> > > > > > > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo

> only by conj, aspt or opp

> > > > > > > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in

> KP Reader III p 205 (Old

> > > > > > > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > > > > > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are

> not for delay but

> > > > > > > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any

> reference, pl let us know to

> > > > > > > >> > > > study in this regard.

> > > > > > > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by

> Sunil ji, due to 6th and

> > > > > > > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer

> and present the result to

> > > > > > > >> > > > the forum.

> > > > > > > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as

> emphasized in Vedic. To get a

> > > > > > > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad

> (12), Mahatma Gandhi

> > > > > > > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung

> (14), Ali Zulflikar

> > > > > > > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine

> Davis (16), King of

> > > > > > > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be

> studied.

> > > > > > > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every

> event of any native,

> > > > > > > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the

> justification other than having a

> > > > > > > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's

> death in the dasa of

> > > > > > > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well

> placed in the chart, BV

> > > > > > > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter

> as learned from his grand

> > > > > > > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord

> Gulika of Jupiter for death.

> > > > > > > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used

> to seek separation and

> > > > > > > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL

> signifies 6th of partner's

> > > > > > > >> > > > walking out.

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > >> > > > TW

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey

> <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > > > > > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > > > > > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > > > > > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > > > > > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in

> the chart under

> > > > > > > >> > > > discussion,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > only sign exchange.

> > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the

> age of 15?

> > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay

> in Marriage " is

> > > > > > > >> > > > uploaded in

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > the File section.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > TW

> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <%

> 40. com>,

> > > > > > > >> > > > Punit

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not

> really delay. " seems

> > > > > > > >> > > > very

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases?

> Punarphoo is something

> > > > > > > >> > > > quite

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there

> is any doubt on delaying

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary

> factor of the marriage

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite

> results which shows

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong

> somewhere. Either the birth

> > > > > > > >> > > > details

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case.

> Even with post-mortem

> > > > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to

> justify.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith

> kasinath.g.k <

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on

> your doubts.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just

> becasue of the said point

> > > > > > > >> > > > seems

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such

> conclusion. Sat being

> > > > > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > CSL

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule

> . there are many points

> > > > > > > >> > > > have

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon

> sign and Moon in sat sign

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of

> Moon. All cause Punarpoo

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > also. But

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do

> not really delay. may be

> > > > > > > >> > > > we

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine.

> And she is our Quiz # 1

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Adith

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit

> Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally?

> As pointed out by Sunil

> > > > > > > >> > > > ji,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much

> early marriage/ love

> > > > > > > >> > > > marriage/

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > happy

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to

> me.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka

> sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star

> level signify

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7

> signification.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are

> found in many charts who

> > > > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary

> and not in

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so

> your line of thinking

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord

> of 6th also.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so

> its aspect on pluto

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and

> pluto aspect diff.is more

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9

> degrees..so no question of

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one

> who she loved when

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and

> how saturn gives

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com

> <% 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, " adith

> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know

> the 7th CSL Sun is lord

> > > > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > 12 is

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the

> lord of 6 (no planet in 6)

> > > > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > sat

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12

> signfications by the star level

> > > > > > > >> > > > is

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu

> (in 2) who is again in

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Jupiter (

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> R)

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7

> signfications by sublord

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > present,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly

> connected to 6,10, the

> > > > > > > >> > > > marraige

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by

> Dr. Rath on few cases

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > study,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are

> not favorable in many

> > > > > > > >> > > > cases.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the

> *Retro planets's star*

> > > > > > > >> > > > which

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in

> the Dr.Rath's study

> > > > > > > >> > > > charts

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which I

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be

> considered for moe analysis.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in

> 2) along with Rahu.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects

> Pluto*.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and

> 7)in 12 (just 9mts

> > > > > > > >> > > > crossed

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > 11th

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in

> saturn. *so strongly

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > signfies

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the

> lord of 2 and 11 posited

> > > > > > > >> > > > in 11

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> its

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd

> aspect*.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in

> the star of Jupiter (as

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and

> aspects Pluto

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10

> signfications present, the

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > signfications

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord

> of 7 Saturn and the lord

> > > > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > 5

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto

> is present), she got

> > > > > > > >> > > > married

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.*

> She is running a happy

> > > > > > > >> > > > marital

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> life

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP

> itself.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil

> gondhalekar <sunilalaka@

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that

> still i have many

> > > > > > > >> > > > experieced

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his

> details are

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM;

> Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter

> opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus

> Neptune effects the native..

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only

> 1-3 9 houses so no

> > > > > > > >> > > > stability

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> job

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge

> financial loss during the dasa

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the

> native is still unmarried.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu

> in Jupiter star.. again a

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Neptune

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM,

> Subhash Ektare <

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is

> promised if 7CSL

> > > > > > > >> > > > signifies

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > any of

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses

> 5, 8. However this 7CSL

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > (which

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto.

> Thus 7 CSL is connected

> > > > > > > >> > > > with

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto

> definitely will have some

> > > > > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive

> or negative). What I

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has

> negative effect, as

> > > > > > > >> > > > experienced

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> him in

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances

> marriage may not be

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > promised

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> due to

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please

> correct if I am wrong.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil

> ji personally and get

> > > > > > > >> > > > his

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> personal

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and

> getting the same even now.

> > > > > > > >> > > > He

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> given many

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the

> magazine " Nakshatrache

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Dene "

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might

> have read those

> > > > > > > >> > > > articles.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case

> can be found in archive.

> > > > > > > >> > > > If

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for

> non-materialization of

> > > > > > > >> > > > marriage I

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will be

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL

> <guide_ vijayanand@ >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com

> <%

> > > > > > > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ;

> guide_ vijayanand@

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009

> 7:16:50 AM

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re:

> Query on financials -

> > > > > > > >> > > > View

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th

> cuspal sub lord shani

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being

> aspected by other planet,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > aspected

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting

> planets. Means if 7csl is

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting

> any other planet then

> > > > > > > >> > > > aspected

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If

> 7th cusp or primary as

> > > > > > > >> > > > well

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11

> and 5, 8 being aspected by

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > pluto,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> then

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial

> of marriage. As we see

> > > > > > > >> > > > that

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will

> cause delay to a

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > considerable

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its

> own as well as it is

> > > > > > > >> > > > not

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > having

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th

> CSL saturn, in this

> > > > > > > >> > > > case,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > pluto

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from

> giving results. Though,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> has

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles

> regarding Pluto, As I had

> > > > > > > >> > > > an

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at

> Sangli and I delighted

> > > > > > > >> > > > with

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no

> connecton of pluto to

> > > > > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > cusp.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> So not

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may

> and will be another

> > > > > > > >> > > > reasons

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President,

> Astrovision, The

> > > > > > > >> > > > SCientific

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology,

> Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91

> 9673746303

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530

> wrote

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, #

> 16114 ........7CSL Sat

> > > > > > > >> > > > aspects

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not

> promise marriage question

> > > > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > DBA

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My

> understanding of Sunil ji's

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is even

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but

> if DBA lords aspect Pluto

> > > > > > > >> > > > the

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> result is

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if

> I am wrong.In message #

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto.

> In thismessage also Mr.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has

> mentioned: " results of neptune is not yet

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... .........

> ......... .......but pluto

> > > > > > > >> > > > gives

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this

> point.3. Agreed.4. When

> > > > > > > >> > > > we

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > say

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is

> the rationale? This is

> > > > > > > >> > > > based

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was

> observed that Pluto has

> > > > > > > >> > > > negative

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that

> sufficient number of cases

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > should be

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studied

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point.

> When shadow planets such

> > > > > > > >> > > > as

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other

> planets Pluto, Neptune,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Uranus

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which have

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to

> alter/reverse the effects.

> > > > > > > >> > > > This

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of

> KP if proved by

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @:

> Sunday, September 27,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM

> Re: Query on financials

> > > > > > > >> > > > -

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > View

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is

> nothing about DBA or star

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theory

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted

> before.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on

> Pluto to deny marriage.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

> system/message/ 16123

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's

> aspect on Pluto to deny

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

> system/message/ 16114

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the

> opposite result for the house

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > (there

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie.

> 11th to give no marriage

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > instead

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in

> 7th not give marriage.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

> system/message/ 14157

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly

> clarify whether Sunil ji

> > > > > > > >> > > > has

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> found any

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of

> his presentations of

> > > > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be

> wholely malefic is not found

> > > > > > > >> > > > in KP

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the

> rationale of such a small

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real

> planets. Such kind of idea

> > > > > > > >> > > > is

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com,

> Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's

> interpretation. This

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > confirms

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question

> through aspects of DBAS

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________

> __

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009

> 4:17:11 AM

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on

> financials - View from

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. /

> group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > > > > >> > > > 16123

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. /

> group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > > > > >> > > > 16114

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. /

> group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > > > > >> > > > 14157

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro

> ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller

> Astrology. While studying the

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > effects of

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of

> KP. It would be more

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > appropriate

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every

> constellation rather than

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It

> takes about 248 years

> > > > > > > >> > > > to

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This

> means it traverses each

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has

> traversed only 9 out of

> > > > > > > >> > > > 27

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect

> enough data for analyzing

> > > > > > > >> > > > its

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of

> August 2009 Honorable

> > > > > > > >> > > > TW ji

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> says

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar

> to that of Hindu God

> > > > > > > >> > > > Shiva,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a

> house it begins to bring

> > > > > > > >> > > > deep

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues

> and the first step is

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > destruction

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it..........

> ......(Planets in Transit Page 477). "

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > This

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the

> effects of Pluto and Neptune

> > > > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil

> Gondhalekar has experienced

> > > > > > > >> > > > such

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see,

> it is not based on

> > > > > > > >> > > > Pluto's

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or

> constellation as there is no

> > > > > > > >> > > > research

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> data

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any

> place in Vimshottari

> > > > > > > >> > > > Dasha

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> System..

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I

> can think of is

> > > > > > > >> > > > conjunction

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of

> course within prescribed

> > > > > > > >> > > > orb). I

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> would

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide

> whether my concept is

> > > > > > > >> > > > correct

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil

> Gondhalekar ji that he has

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > come

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> across

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like

> to offer my services

> > > > > > > >> > > > for

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings

> under his guidance.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________

> __

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24,

> 2009 12:10:05 PM

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query

> on financials - View

> > > > > > > >> > > > from

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always

> Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > 2009)

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Western

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books

> of Jeffrey Green, his

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor,

> Paramahansa Yogananda,

> > > > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> known as

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the

> astrological chart. Jeffrey

> > > > > > > >> > > > Green

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> said that

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could

> begin to mange the mystery

> > > > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey

> within evolution. A positive

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > side of

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a

> fairly common Plutonian

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > profession is

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy.

> (Essays on Astrology,

> > > > > > > >> > > > page

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > 46)

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus

> house-wise appearance of

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Pluto

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> and

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA

> charts of AstroDatabank 4.0

> > > > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in

> Houses

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a

> house is (1/12=) 8%. The

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not

> significantly different from

> > > > > > > >> > > > the

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For

> Pluto, the house-wise

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > appearance is

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the

> average of 8% for the 2, 7 and

> > > > > > > >> > > > 8

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is

> still far below to be the

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of no

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any

> of 2,7 and 8 houses.

> > > > > > > >> > > > Hence

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no

> marriage by mere appearance

> > > > > > > >> > > > in

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on

> Pluto and Relationships

> > > > > > > >> > > > or

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the

> references, Pluto is not

> > > > > > > >> > > > wholly

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign,

> position and astrological

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > aspects.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in

> eight points specific

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > procedure

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> followed

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page

> 239. Pluto is supposed to

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > magnify

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change

> the results of that

> > > > > > > >> > > > planet

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> always for

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the

> Pluto-Saturn connection

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > carries

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter

> connection provides success and

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > wealth.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet

> is wholly malefic or

> > > > > > > >> > > > benefic.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th

> generally indicates power

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > struggle

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> between

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with

> possible undesirable

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all.

> Similarly Neptune in the

> > > > > > > >> > > > 7th is

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not

> condemned by karma to

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > relinquish

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> them

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386)

> An observation of the AA

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot

> be the cause of no

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is

> therefore undesirable to

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend

> upset with Pluto's adverse

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > effects,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research,

> requiring a minimum of one

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > hundred

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies,

> as mentioned by Judith

> > > > > > > >> > > > Hill

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro

> ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from

> sunilji on this

> > > > > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I

> also remember a couple of

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > write

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene

> 2009 Vasantik issue )on

> > > > > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving

> extremely -ve effects . I

> > > > > > > >> > > > had

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> almost

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for

> reminding.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i

> am pasting the contents

> > > > > > > >> > > > from

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of

> " Pluto Effects " the

> > > > > > > >> > > > extra

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp

> system,but i am following

> > > > > > > >> > > > these

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if

> there effects are

> > > > > > > >> > > > considered.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn

> aspects Pluto within 3 deg.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and

> Jupiter also aspecting

> > > > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > @4

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and

> planets are not offering good

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a

> desctructive results

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was

> very sure about pluto

> > > > > > > >> > > > effects

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> when

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my

> diwali 2008 issue and i

> > > > > > > >> > > > have

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> many

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about

> pluto effects.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________

> _________ __

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k

> gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro

> ups.com

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23,

> 2009 2:33:43 AM

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re:

> Query on financials

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from

> Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.

> > > > > > > >> > > > Out of

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for

> profession.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of

> 5) who is in close

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > cojunction

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> with the

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected

> by satrun the lord of

> > > > > > > >> > > > 8.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly

> signfies 11(no planet in

> > > > > > > >> > > > its

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> star).

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12

> Mercury. Further

> > > > > > > >> > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the

> lord of 12 in 11.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable

> signficators of 6,10, the

> > > > > > > >> > > > 5(12

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to

> 10),12 are not favorable and

> > > > > > > >> > > > it

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> being

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has

> no planet in its star)

> > > > > > > >> > > > .

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can

> not be taken as bad, as it

> > > > > > > >> > > > may

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession

> related to foreign

> > > > > > > >> > > > countries.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00

> AM, Amit Soman

> > > > > > > >> > > > amitbs2002@

> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit

> Soman included below]

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I

> am attaching a screen

> > > > > > > >> > > > shot in

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from

> Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the

> > > > > > > >> > > > cusp

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The

> 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj

> Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj

> Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa

> 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of

> 1,7,8( inheritance

> > > > > > > >> > > > ),11 & 10.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create

> problems in profession but

> > > > > > > >> > > > also

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are

> operating.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So

> if partner is gaining he

> > > > > > > >> > > > will

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what

> is the reason for bad

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > economic

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid

> Aug 09. After that it is

> > > > > > > >> > > > bad

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > .

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> We see

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from

> 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > signification

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> are

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj

> Ve(10)11

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10

> Aspect (4)(8)

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj

> Ve(10)11

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of

> DB ( Sat + Ra )=

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional

> earning we say that 10th

> > > > > > > >> > > > sub

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> should

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2

> but we find 6,10,11 are

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally

> good?

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________

> _________ __

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro

> ups.com

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman

> amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21,

> 2009 11:05:09 AM

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re:

> Query on financials

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00.

> AM IST.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth

> Chart for this

> > > > > > > >> > > > time,usingK. P.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord

> of II as Saturn...earlier

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were

> getting the sublord of II

> > > > > > > >> > > > as

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the

> EXACT TOB,the sublord

> > > > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as

> the Moon's starlord and

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect

> the Birth chart for this

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > TOB...you

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________

> _________ __

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman

> amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro

> ups.com

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21,

> 2009 6:44:11 PM

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query

> on financials

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I

> was working on a

> > > > > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for

> consultation for a couple of

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > issues

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> . I

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past

> aspects of his life. When

> > > > > > > >> > > > i

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some

> did not. BUT i was 100%

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > wrong on

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND

> was unable to find any

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in

> the group can point out

> > > > > > > >> > > > how

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past

> 8 -10 yrs? What are the

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> <

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > http://sigads. rediff.com/ RealMedia/ ads/click_

> nx.ads/www. rediffmail. com/signaturelin e.htm@Middle

> > > > > > > >> > > > ?

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > --

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask. com

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

> > > >

> > > > http://mail.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 17, 2009

Dear Friend,

Sorry,there is no way to do so.

JHora provider has given an outlet in the latest versions to enter the KPNA.

Whether you use it or not is up to you.

But pl don't make cofusion any more for others.

Thanks and regards,

TW

, " Sudan " <msbohra62 wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> I know JHora is prepared for Traditional system and as for requirement of SJC

followers so computation in software is for that.

>

> You have taken lot of pain to explain me in details,I am very thankful to you

for this.If we have seniors as like you than we have more advantages to learn

the facts.

>

> Because of Old KP is not constant so computation based on Lahiri Ayanamsa

can't produce the correct KPNA,for KPNA software must have the computation as

per Old KP or NKPA.

>

> It is fact that we can't set JHora to get 'correct' KPNA (1993) but by setting

if we can get near by with difference of few Second (1 to 2)than it is any

remarkable changes in KP chart ?

>

> As Sunaji have mentioned he got difference and you have confirmed that actual

KPNA and Punitji's calculator have 2 Second difference but most of we are using

AstroSage to confirmation or for correct KP chart.AstroSage is online only.

>

> Thanks & regards,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> , " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > 1. This is mathematics. As the KPNA (2003) formula is not applied in

> > JHora, and so there is no base to adjust in oredr to get the KPNA once

> > and for all time.

> > 2. The difference between the Lahiri and Old KPA is not constant (col 7

> > of table 2) as assumed to be the constant difference of around 6min:5sec

> > (col 6 of table 2).

> > 3. Since there is no constant difference between the ayanamsas as shown

> > in the table 2, the only correct way is to take the KPNA value

> > calculated from the KPNA (2003) formula like the KPNA calculator at the

> > AstroSage or KPNA Table in the File section.

> > Regards,

> > TW

> >

> > Table 1: Comparison of Ayanamsa Values

> >

> > (As of 1st January in D-M-S)

> >

> > Year

> >

> > OKPA

> >

> > JHKPA

> >

> > NKPA

> >

> > LAHIRI

> >

> > 1850

> >

> > 21-40

> >

> > 21-39-31

> >

> > 21-40-24

> >

> > 21-45-36

> >

> > 1900

> >

> > 22-22

> >

> > 22-21-50

> >

> > 22-22 16

> >

> > 22-27-55

> >

> > 1950

> >

> > 23-04

> >

> > 23-03-23

> >

> > 23-04-08

> >

> > 23-09-28

> >

> > 2000

> >

> > 23-46

> >

> > 23-45-06

> >

> > 23-46-01

> >

> > 23-51-11

> >

> > REVISIT OF KPA.doc

> > <http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/QGDYSkzclB8WdUho9z7KjYjyQDRITkLd7NICuqRAaU\

> > ujkhX_QMvykIfmpd0SSOyDdkbuG2n9PjHoca2e5t4zLUS8rg/REVISIT%20OF%20KPA.doc>

> >

> > Table 2: Differences between Ayanamsa Values (in Minutes-Seconds)

> >

> > Year

> >

> > OKPA

> >

> > minus

> >

> > JHKPA

> >

> > JHKPA

> >

> > minus

> >

> > NKPA

> >

> > OKPA

> >

> > minus

> >

> > NKPA

> >

> > Lahiri

> >

> > minus

> >

> > NKPA

> >

> > Lahiri

> >

> > minus

> >

> > JHKPA

> >

> > Lahiri

> >

> > minus

> >

> > OKPA

> >

> > 1

> >

> > 2

> >

> > 3

> >

> > 4

> >

> > 5

> >

> > 6

> >

> > 7

> >

> > 1850

> >

> > +0-29

> >

> > -0-53

> >

> > -0-24

> >

> > +5-12

> >

> > +6-05

> >

> > +5-36

> >

> > 1900

> >

> > +0-10

> >

> > -0-26

> >

> > -0-16

> >

> > +5-39

> >

> > +6-05

> >

> > +5-55

> >

> > 1950

> >

> > +0-37

> >

> > -0-45

> >

> > -0-08

> >

> > +5-20

> >

> > +6-05

> >

> > +5-28

> >

> > 2000

> >

> > +0-54

> >

> > -0-55

> >

> > -0-01

> >

> > +5-10

> >

> > +6-05

> >

> > +5-11

> >

> > OKPA= Old KPA, JH-KPA = JHora KPA, NKPA= New KPA

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > , " Sudan " <msbohra62@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Dr.Rath,

> > >

> > > My all exercise for,Can we adjust once Jhora for all time so this

> > software give us KPNA or very near which is negligible.

> > >

> > > Now I have interesting data,

> > >

> > > On 1st Jan;1962 KPNA is 23-14-11 Jhora shows 23-14-09.58

> > >

> > > It is by once setting,what is difference 1.42 Seconds !It is really a

> > matter of worry ?I set JHora on date 1st Jan;2009 to add 22.7016

> > Seconds.

> > >

> > > See further data,

> > >

> > > On 1st Jan;2010 KPNA is 23-54-23 where Jhora shows 23-54-23.25

> > > On 1st Jan;2011 KPNA is 23-55-14 where Jhora shows 23-55-13.51

> > >

> > > As like this,

> > >

> > > On 1st Jan;2017 KPNA is 24-00-15 where Jhoes shows 24-99-15.32

> > > On 1st Jan;2030 KPNA is 24-11-09 where Jhora shows 24-11-09.10

> > > On 1st Jan;2040 KPNA is 24-19-31 where Jhora shows 24-19-31.99

> > >

> > > What is the differences between these two ,Is it not negligible ?

> > >

> > > Jhora is free and have so many other functions if we can use it for KP

> > than it is very useful tool for KP followers.

> > >

> > > When you cast the chart for Horary(Question)or for RPs you instantly

> > open the software and without any correction you get every thing,it is

> > matter for all exercise.Now make correction at once in your Jhora and

> > see the result.

> > >

> > > Thanks & regards,

> > >

> > > M.S.Bohra

> > >

> > > , Luther Rath rathluther@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bohraji,

> > > > Instead of doing as you say, one may select " Sayana " option and add

> > tha NKPA directly for the day. It shall be more easy.

> > > > Dr. Rath

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > Sunaparantha Kalyan sunaparantha@

> > > >

> > > > Tue, October 13, 2009 9:24:32 PM

> > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from

> > Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhora ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thank you very very much for your detailed reply

> > > >

> > > > Wish you all the best.

> > > >

> > > > Kalyan

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > Sudan msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Tue, October 13, 2009 6:31:32 PM

> > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

> > Gondhelkar

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunaparanthaji,

> > > >

> > > > Set JHora as below :-

> > > >

> > > > In Birth data you select the date 1st Jan,2009 and time 00:00:00.

> > and coordinates and place of your place.

> > > >

> > > > Open Preference >Ayanamsa > select Krishnamurti (KP)> in same window

> > you will find Add Tab. select " Apply the correction " than below it in

> > " Second " add 22.7000 and click OK. You have done now see the Ayanamsa

> > you will get what KPNA is ,23-53-33,for 1st Jan;2009.

> > > >

> > > > Now click again on Preference Tab,you will find Save Preference

> > select it.Now your JHora is set for you on KPNA for this year.

> > > >

> > > > Now close the programme and reopen it and see on today what Ayanamsa

> > you have in your JHora and tally it with other software whom you find

> > correct as per KPNA.

> > > >

> > > > In so many year it shows some differences so we can use it with

> > setting for that year by correcting at " Second " level in Add Tab to get

> > desire KPPNA for that year.

> > > >

> > > > Hope it will helpful.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & regards,

> > > >

> > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan

> > <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bohra Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you kindly give more explanation for adjusting KPNA in JHL,

> > with an example.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Kalyan

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Sudan <msbohra62@ ..>

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Tue, October 13, 2009 8:16:58 AM

> > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

> > Gondhelkar

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear TWji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Every 1st Jan of new year if you set KPNA by correcting to add in

> > seconds section with choosing Krishnamurti Ayanamsa than set as

> > " Preferences " than you will get KPNA for full year without any

> > correction every time.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ayanamsa > Krishnamurti > Add (Between 22 to 25 second)>second as

> > you get right KPNA on 1st Jan in software of JHora than > Preference >

> > Save Preference.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope it will helpful.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > >

> > > > > @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > > > Thank you for the step by step explanation.

> > > > > > What would be the easy and safe way to get the KPNA(2003)?

> > > > > > Of course, this procedure is for JHora 3.3 version.

> > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > TW

> > > > > >

> > > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ >

> > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > > > > The following are the steps: -

> > > > > > > 1. Click on 'Preferences' .

> > > > > > > 2.Go to 'Related to calculations' .

> > > > > > > 3.Select 'Ayanamsa'.

> > > > > > > 4.Select 'Tropical(sayana) " ayanamsa.

> > > > > > > 5. In 'customize further' box-

> > > > > > > a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'

> > > > > > > b) Select 'Add'.

> > > > > > > c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.

> > > > > > > 6. Finally click OK.

> > > > > > > It is done.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Due regards.

> > > > > > > Dr. Rath

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > TW <tw853@>

> > > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from

> > Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > > > > Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the

> > JHora positions to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of

> > JHora using members.

> > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > TW

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@

> > ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted

> > according to own preference.

> > > > > > > > Dr. Rath.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>

> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View

> > from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Bohraji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage /

> > Mykundali. This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with

> > almost all the SW & they are as good as anbody in the group.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Amit

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM

> > > > > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View

> > from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sudan,

> > > > > > > > I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa

> > used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s

> > SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use

> > K.P. New Ayanamsa...

> > > > > > > > Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much

> > of a difference

> > > > > > > > Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB

> > arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness.

> > ..

> > > > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >Sudan msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > > > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from

> > Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > > > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >Dear G.Singh ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and

> > the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and

> > sub-lord respectively. ..! "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level

> > of Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > > > > > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >Thanks,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >M.S.Bohra

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >@gro ups.com, " G " <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I

> > rectified my birth time.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> G. Singh

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB

> > of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn

> > something practically by discussion in the forum.

> > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given

> > under:

> > > > > > > > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > > > > > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > > > > > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > > > > > > > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra)

> > marriage and seperation

> > > > > > > > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high

> > status (possibly by lottery gain?)

> > > > > > > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus)

> > suddenly got big money

> > > > > > > > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second

> > time monetary gain;

> > > > > > > > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a

> > very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while

> > studying abroad getting schorlarship;

> > > > > > > > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain

> > and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only

> > transit

> > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB

> > taken.

> > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > >> > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > >> > TW

> > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey

> > <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear.

> > Early marriage and late

> > > > > > > > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If

> > we can see from Adith

> > > > > > > > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not

> > that early. In her

> > > > > > > > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age

> > which is not true for some

> > > > > > > > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very

> > well negated by Moon

> > > > > > > > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for

> > from Adith ji's email.

> > > > > > > > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there

> > are KP astrologers who

> > > > > > > > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > > > > > > > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you

> > were referring my email

> > > > > > > > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > > > > > > > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are

> > the planet that give

> > > > > > > > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic

> > as well as KP.

> > > > > > > > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of

> > birth details before

> > > > > > > > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he

> > will not only bring

> > > > > > > > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An

> > astrologer should do this

> > > > > > > > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the

> > information with the source as

> > > > > > > > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally

> > with that. If an

> > > > > > > > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future

> > predictions will always remain

> > > > > > > > >> > > non-reliable.

> > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage "

> > is uploaded in

> > > > > > > > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo

> > cases do not really

> > > > > > > > >> > > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more

> > such cases?>>>It has

> > > > > > > > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo

> > only by conj, aspt or opp

> > > > > > > > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in

> > KP Reader III p 205 (Old

> > > > > > > > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are

> > not for delay but

> > > > > > > > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any

> > reference, pl let us know to

> > > > > > > > >> > > > study in this regard.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by

> > Sunil ji, due to 6th and

> > > > > > > > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer

> > and present the result to

> > > > > > > > >> > > > the forum.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as

> > emphasized in Vedic. To get a

> > > > > > > > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad

> > (12), Mahatma Gandhi

> > > > > > > > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung

> > (14), Ali Zulflikar

> > > > > > > > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine

> > Davis (16), King of

> > > > > > > > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be

> > studied.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every

> > event of any native,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the

> > justification other than having a

> > > > > > > > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's

> > death in the dasa of

> > > > > > > > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well

> > placed in the chart, BV

> > > > > > > > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter

> > as learned from his grand

> > > > > > > > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord

> > Gulika of Jupiter for death.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used

> > to seek separation and

> > > > > > > > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL

> > signifies 6th of partner's

> > > > > > > > >> > > > walking out.

> > > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > TW

> > > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey

> > <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in

> > the chart under

> > > > > > > > >> > > > discussion,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > only sign exchange.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the

> > age of 15?

> > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay

> > in Marriage " is

> > > > > > > > >> > > > uploaded in

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > the File section.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > TW

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <%

> > 40. com>,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > Punit

> > > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not

> > really delay. " seems

> > > > > > > > >> > > > very

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases?

> > Punarphoo is something

> > > > > > > > >> > > > quite

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there

> > is any doubt on delaying

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary

> > factor of the marriage

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite

> > results which shows

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong

> > somewhere. Either the birth

> > > > > > > > >> > > > details

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case.

> > Even with post-mortem

> > > > > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to

> > justify.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith

> > kasinath.g.k <

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on

> > your doubts.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just

> > becasue of the said point

> > > > > > > > >> > > > seems

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such

> > conclusion. Sat being

> > > > > > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > CSL

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule

> > . there are many points

> > > > > > > > >> > > > have

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon

> > sign and Moon in sat sign

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of

> > Moon. All cause Punarpoo

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > also. But

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do

> > not really delay. may be

> > > > > > > > >> > > > we

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine.

> > And she is our Quiz # 1

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Adith

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit

> > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally?

> > As pointed out by Sunil

> > > > > > > > >> > > > ji,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much

> > early marriage/ love

> > > > > > > > >> > > > marriage/

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > happy

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to

> > me.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka

> > sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star

> > level signify

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7

> > signification.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are

> > found in many charts who

> > > > > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary

> > and not in

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so

> > your line of thinking

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord

> > of 6th also.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so

> > its aspect on pluto

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and

> > pluto aspect diff.is more

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9

> > degrees..so no question of

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one

> > who she loved when

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and

> > how saturn gives

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com

> > <% 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, " adith

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know

> > the 7th CSL Sun is lord

> > > > > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 12 is

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the

> > lord of 6 (no planet in 6)

> > > > > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > sat

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12

> > signfications by the star level

> > > > > > > > >> > > > is

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu

> > (in 2) who is again in

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Jupiter (

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> R)

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7

> > signfications by sublord

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > present,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly

> > connected to 6,10, the

> > > > > > > > >> > > > marraige

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by

> > Dr. Rath on few cases

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > study,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are

> > not favorable in many

> > > > > > > > >> > > > cases.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the

> > *Retro planets's star*

> > > > > > > > >> > > > which

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in

> > the Dr.Rath's study

> > > > > > > > >> > > > charts

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which I

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be

> > considered for moe analysis.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in

> > 2) along with Rahu.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects

> > Pluto*.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and

> > 7)in 12 (just 9mts

> > > > > > > > >> > > > crossed

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 11th

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in

> > saturn. *so strongly

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > signfies

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the

> > lord of 2 and 11 posited

> > > > > > > > >> > > > in 11

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> its

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd

> > aspect*.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in

> > the star of Jupiter (as

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and

> > aspects Pluto

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10

> > signfications present, the

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > signfications

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord

> > of 7 Saturn and the lord

> > > > > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 5

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto

> > is present), she got

> > > > > > > > >> > > > married

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.*

> > She is running a happy

> > > > > > > > >> > > > marital

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> life

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP

> > itself.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil

> > gondhalekar <sunilalaka@

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >wrote:

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that

> > still i have many

> > > > > > > > >> > > > experieced

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his

> > details are

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM;

> > Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter

> > opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus

> > Neptune effects the native..

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only

> > 1-3 9 houses so no

> > > > > > > > >> > > > stability

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> job

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge

> > financial loss during the dasa

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the

> > native is still unmarried.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu

> > in Jupiter star.. again a

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Neptune

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM,

> > Subhash Ektare <

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is

> > promised if 7CSL

> > > > > > > > >> > > > signifies

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > any of

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses

> > 5, 8. However this 7CSL

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > (which

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto.

> > Thus 7 CSL is connected

> > > > > > > > >> > > > with

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto

> > definitely will have some

> > > > > > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive

> > or negative). What I

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has

> > negative effect, as

> > > > > > > > >> > > > experienced

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> him in

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances

> > marriage may not be

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > promised

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> due to

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please

> > correct if I am wrong.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil

> > ji personally and get

> > > > > > > > >> > > > his

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> personal

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and

> > getting the same even now.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > He

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> given many

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the

> > magazine " Nakshatrache

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Dene "

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might

> > have read those

> > > > > > > > >> > > > articles.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case

> > can be found in archive.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > If

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for

> > non-materialization of

> > > > > > > > >> > > > marriage I

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will be

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL

> > <guide_ vijayanand@ >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com

> > <%

> > > > > > > > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ;

> > guide_ vijayanand@

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009

> > 7:16:50 AM

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re:

> > Query on financials -

> > > > > > > > >> > > > View

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th

> > cuspal sub lord shani

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being

> > aspected by other planet,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > aspected

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting

> > planets. Means if 7csl is

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting

> > any other planet then

> > > > > > > > >> > > > aspected

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If

> > 7th cusp or primary as

> > > > > > > > >> > > > well

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11

> > and 5, 8 being aspected by

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > pluto,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> then

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial

> > of marriage. As we see

> > > > > > > > >> > > > that

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will

> > cause delay to a

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > considerable

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its

> > own as well as it is

> > > > > > > > >> > > > not

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > having

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th

> > CSL saturn, in this

> > > > > > > > >> > > > case,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > pluto

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from

> > giving results. Though,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> has

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles

> > regarding Pluto, As I had

> > > > > > > > >> > > > an

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at

> > Sangli and I delighted

> > > > > > > > >> > > > with

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no

> > connecton of pluto to

> > > > > > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > cusp.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> So not

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may

> > and will be another

> > > > > > > > >> > > > reasons

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President,

> > Astrovision, The

> > > > > > > > >> > > > SCientific

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology,

> > Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91

> > 9673746303

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530

> > wrote

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, #

> > 16114 ........7CSL Sat

> > > > > > > > >> > > > aspects

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not

> > promise marriage question

> > > > > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > DBA

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My

> > understanding of Sunil ji's

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is even

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but

> > if DBA lords aspect Pluto

> > > > > > > > >> > > > the

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> result is

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if

> > I am wrong.In message #

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto.

> > In thismessage also Mr.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has

> > mentioned: " results of neptune is not yet

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... .........

> > ......... .......but pluto

> > > > > > > > >> > > > gives

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this

> > point.3. Agreed.4. When

> > > > > > > > >> > > > we

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is

> > the rationale? This is

> > > > > > > > >> > > > based

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was

> > observed that Pluto has

> > > > > > > > >> > > > negative

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that

> > sufficient number of cases

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > should be

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studied

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point.

> > When shadow planets such

> > > > > > > > >> > > > as

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other

> > planets Pluto, Neptune,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Uranus

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which have

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to

> > alter/reverse the effects.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > This

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of

> > KP if proved by

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @:

> > Sunday, September 27,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM

> > Re: Query on financials

> > > > > > > > >> > > > -

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > View

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is

> > nothing about DBA or star

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theory

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted

> > before.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on

> > Pluto to deny marriage.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

> > system/message/ 16123

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's

> > aspect on Pluto to deny

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

> > system/message/ 16114

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the

> > opposite result for the house

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > (there

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie.

> > 11th to give no marriage

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > instead

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in

> > 7th not give marriage.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

> > system/message/ 14157

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly

> > clarify whether Sunil ji

> > > > > > > > >> > > > has

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> found any

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of

> > his presentations of

> > > > > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be

> > wholely malefic is not found

> > > > > > > > >> > > > in KP

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the

> > rationale of such a small

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real

> > planets. Such kind of idea

> > > > > > > > >> > > > is

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com,

> > Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's

> > interpretation. This

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > confirms

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question

> > through aspects of DBAS

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________

> > __

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009

> > 4:17:11 AM

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on

> > financials - View from

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. /

> > group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > > > > > >> > > > 16123

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. /

> > group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > > > > > >> > > > 16114

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. /

> > group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > > > > > >> > > > 14157

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro

> > ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller

> > Astrology. While studying the

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > effects of

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of

> > KP. It would be more

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > appropriate

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every

> > constellation rather than

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It

> > takes about 248 years

> > > > > > > > >> > > > to

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This

> > means it traverses each

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has

> > traversed only 9 out of

> > > > > > > > >> > > > 27

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect

> > enough data for analyzing

> > > > > > > > >> > > > its

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of

> > August 2009 Honorable

> > > > > > > > >> > > > TW ji

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> says

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar

> > to that of Hindu God

> > > > > > > > >> > > > Shiva,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a

> > house it begins to bring

> > > > > > > > >> > > > deep

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues

> > and the first step is

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > destruction

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it..........

> > ......(Planets in Transit Page 477). "

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the

> > effects of Pluto and Neptune

> > > > > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil

> > Gondhalekar has experienced

> > > > > > > > >> > > > such

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see,

> > it is not based on

> > > > > > > > >> > > > Pluto's

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or

> > constellation as there is no

> > > > > > > > >> > > > research

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> data

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any

> > place in Vimshottari

> > > > > > > > >> > > > Dasha

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> System..

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I

> > can think of is

> > > > > > > > >> > > > conjunction

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of

> > course within prescribed

> > > > > > > > >> > > > orb). I

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> would

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide

> > whether my concept is

> > > > > > > > >> > > > correct

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil

> > Gondhalekar ji that he has

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > come

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> across

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like

> > to offer my services

> > > > > > > > >> > > > for

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings

> > under his guidance.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________

> > __

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24,

> > 2009 12:10:05 PM

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query

> > on financials - View

> > > > > > > > >> > > > from

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always

> > Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 2009)

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Western

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books

> > of Jeffrey Green, his

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor,

> > Paramahansa Yogananda,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> known as

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the

> > astrological chart. Jeffrey

> > > > > > > > >> > > > Green

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> said that

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could

> > begin to mange the mystery

> > > > > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey

> > within evolution. A positive

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > side of

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a

> > fairly common Plutonian

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > profession is

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy.

> > (Essays on Astrology,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > page

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 46)

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus

> > house-wise appearance of

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Pluto

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> and

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA

> > charts of AstroDatabank 4.0

> > > > > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in

> > Houses

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a

> > house is (1/12=) 8%. The

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not

> > significantly different from

> > > > > > > > >> > > > the

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For

> > Pluto, the house-wise

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > appearance is

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the

> > average of 8% for the 2, 7 and

> > > > > > > > >> > > > 8

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is

> > still far below to be the

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of no

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any

> > of 2,7 and 8 houses.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > Hence

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no

> > marriage by mere appearance

> > > > > > > > >> > > > in

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on

> > Pluto and Relationships

> > > > > > > > >> > > > or

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the

> > references, Pluto is not

> > > > > > > > >> > > > wholly

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign,

> > position and astrological

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > aspects.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in

> > eight points specific

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > procedure

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> followed

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page

> > 239. Pluto is supposed to

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > magnify

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change

> > the results of that

> > > > > > > > >> > > > planet

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> always for

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the

> > Pluto-Saturn connection

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > carries

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter

> > connection provides success and

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > wealth.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet

> > is wholly malefic or

> > > > > > > > >> > > > benefic.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th

> > generally indicates power

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > struggle

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> between

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with

> > possible undesirable

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all.

> > Similarly Neptune in the

> > > > > > > > >> > > > 7th is

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not

> > condemned by karma to

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > relinquish

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> them

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386)

> > An observation of the AA

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot

> > be the cause of no

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is

> > therefore undesirable to

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend

> > upset with Pluto's adverse

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > effects,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research,

> > requiring a minimum of one

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > hundred

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies,

> > as mentioned by Judith

> > > > > > > > >> > > > Hill

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro

> > ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from

> > sunilji on this

> > > > > > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I

> > also remember a couple of

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > write

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene

> > 2009 Vasantik issue )on

> > > > > > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving

> > extremely -ve effects . I

> > > > > > > > >> > > > had

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> almost

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for

> > reminding.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i

> > am pasting the contents

> > > > > > > > >> > > > from

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of

> > " Pluto Effects " the

> > > > > > > > >> > > > extra

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp

> > system,but i am following

> > > > > > > > >> > > > these

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if

> > there effects are

> > > > > > > > >> > > > considered.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn

> > aspects Pluto within 3 deg.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and

> > Jupiter also aspecting

> > > > > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > @4

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and

> > planets are not offering good

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a

> > desctructive results

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was

> > very sure about pluto

> > > > > > > > >> > > > effects

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> when

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my

> > diwali 2008 issue and i

> > > > > > > > >> > > > have

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> many

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about

> > pluto effects.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________

> > _________ __

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k

> > gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro

> > ups.com

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23,

> > 2009 2:33:43 AM

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re:

> > Query on financials

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from

> > Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > Out of

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for

> > profession.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of

> > 5) who is in close

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > cojunction

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> with the

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected

> > by satrun the lord of

> > > > > > > > >> > > > 8.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly

> > signfies 11(no planet in

> > > > > > > > >> > > > its

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> star).

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12

> > Mercury. Further

> > > > > > > > >> > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the

> > lord of 12 in 11.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable

> > signficators of 6,10, the

> > > > > > > > >> > > > 5(12

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to

> > 10),12 are not favorable and

> > > > > > > > >> > > > it

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> being

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has

> > no planet in its star)

> > > > > > > > >> > > > .

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can

> > not be taken as bad, as it

> > > > > > > > >> > > > may

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession

> > related to foreign

> > > > > > > > >> > > > countries.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00

> > AM, Amit Soman

> > > > > > > > >> > > > amitbs2002@

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit

> > Soman included below]

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I

> > am attaching a screen

> > > > > > > > >> > > > shot in

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from

> > Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the

> > > > > > > > >> > > > cusp

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The

> > 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj

> > Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj

> > Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa

> > 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of

> > 1,7,8( inheritance

> > > > > > > > >> > > > ),11 & 10.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create

> > problems in profession but

> > > > > > > > >> > > > also

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are

> > operating.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So

> > if partner is gaining he

> > > > > > > > >> > > > will

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what

> > is the reason for bad

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > economic

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid

> > Aug 09. After that it is

> > > > > > > > >> > > > bad

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > .

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> We see

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from

> > 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > signification

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> are

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj

> > Ve(10)11

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10

> > Aspect (4)(8)

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj

> > Ve(10)11

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of

> > DB ( Sat + Ra )=

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional

> > earning we say that 10th

> > > > > > > > >> > > > sub

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> should

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2

> > but we find 6,10,11 are

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally

> > good?

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________

> > _________ __

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro

> > ups.com

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman

> > amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21,

> > 2009 11:05:09 AM

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re:

> > Query on financials

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00.

> > AM IST.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth

> > Chart for this

> > > > > > > > >> > > > time,usingK. P.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord

> > of II as Saturn...earlier

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were

> > getting the sublord of II

> > > > > > > > >> > > > as

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the

> > EXACT TOB,the sublord

> > > > > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as

> > the Moon's starlord and

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect

> > the Birth chart for this

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > TOB...you

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________

> > _________ __

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman

> > amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro

> > ups.com

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21,

> > 2009 6:44:11 PM

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query

> > on financials

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I

> > was working on a

> > > > > > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for

> > consultation for a couple of

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > issues

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> . I

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past

> > aspects of his life. When

> > > > > > > > >> > > > i

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some

> > did not. BUT i was 100%

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > wrong on

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND

> > was unable to find any

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in

> > the group can point out

> > > > > > > > >> > > > how

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past

> > 8 -10 yrs? What are the

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> <

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > http://sigads. rediff.com/ RealMedia/ ads/click_

> > nx.ads/www. rediffmail. com/signaturelin e.htm@Middle

> > > > > > > > >> > > > ?

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > --

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask. com

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

> > > > >

> > > > > http://mail.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 17, 2009

Dear Sir,

My intention was not to create any confusion,not at all.It was for me to clear

my confusions on the matter.

Sorry for my ignorance if i have create any confusion for others in the process

of my learning.

Thanks & regards,

M.S.Bohra

, " TW " <tw853 wrote:

>

> Dear Friend,

> Sorry,there is no way to do so.

> JHora provider has given an outlet in the latest versions to enter the KPNA.

> Whether you use it or not is up to you.

> But pl don't make cofusion any more for others.

> Thanks and regards,

> TW

>

> , " Sudan " <msbohra62@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > I know JHora is prepared for Traditional system and as for requirement of

SJC followers so computation in software is for that.

> >

> > You have taken lot of pain to explain me in details,I am very thankful to

you for this.If we have seniors as like you than we have more advantages to

learn the facts.

> >

> > Because of Old KP is not constant so computation based on Lahiri Ayanamsa

can't produce the correct KPNA,for KPNA software must have the computation as

per Old KP or NKPA.

> >

> > It is fact that we can't set JHora to get 'correct' KPNA (1993) but by

setting if we can get near by with difference of few Second (1 to 2)than it is

any remarkable changes in KP chart ?

> >

> > As Sunaji have mentioned he got difference and you have confirmed that

actual KPNA and Punitji's calculator have 2 Second difference but most of we are

using AstroSage to confirmation or for correct KP chart.AstroSage is online

only.

> >

> > Thanks & regards,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

> > , " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > 1. This is mathematics. As the KPNA (2003) formula is not applied in

> > > JHora, and so there is no base to adjust in oredr to get the KPNA once

> > > and for all time.

> > > 2. The difference between the Lahiri and Old KPA is not constant (col 7

> > > of table 2) as assumed to be the constant difference of around 6min:5sec

> > > (col 6 of table 2).

> > > 3. Since there is no constant difference between the ayanamsas as shown

> > > in the table 2, the only correct way is to take the KPNA value

> > > calculated from the KPNA (2003) formula like the KPNA calculator at the

> > > AstroSage or KPNA Table in the File section.

> > > Regards,

> > > TW

> > >

> > > Table 1: Comparison of Ayanamsa Values

> > >

> > > (As of 1st January in D-M-S)

> > >

> > > Year

> > >

> > > OKPA

> > >

> > > JHKPA

> > >

> > > NKPA

> > >

> > > LAHIRI

> > >

> > > 1850

> > >

> > > 21-40

> > >

> > > 21-39-31

> > >

> > > 21-40-24

> > >

> > > 21-45-36

> > >

> > > 1900

> > >

> > > 22-22

> > >

> > > 22-21-50

> > >

> > > 22-22 16

> > >

> > > 22-27-55

> > >

> > > 1950

> > >

> > > 23-04

> > >

> > > 23-03-23

> > >

> > > 23-04-08

> > >

> > > 23-09-28

> > >

> > > 2000

> > >

> > > 23-46

> > >

> > > 23-45-06

> > >

> > > 23-46-01

> > >

> > > 23-51-11

> > >

> > > REVISIT OF KPA.doc

> > > <http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/QGDYSkzclB8WdUho9z7KjYjyQDRITkLd7NICuqRAaU\

> > > ujkhX_QMvykIfmpd0SSOyDdkbuG2n9PjHoca2e5t4zLUS8rg/REVISIT%20OF%20KPA.doc>

> > >

> > > Table 2: Differences between Ayanamsa Values (in Minutes-Seconds)

> > >

> > > Year

> > >

> > > OKPA

> > >

> > > minus

> > >

> > > JHKPA

> > >

> > > JHKPA

> > >

> > > minus

> > >

> > > NKPA

> > >

> > > OKPA

> > >

> > > minus

> > >

> > > NKPA

> > >

> > > Lahiri

> > >

> > > minus

> > >

> > > NKPA

> > >

> > > Lahiri

> > >

> > > minus

> > >

> > > JHKPA

> > >

> > > Lahiri

> > >

> > > minus

> > >

> > > OKPA

> > >

> > > 1

> > >

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> > > 1850

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> > > +0-29

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> > > -0-53

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> > > -0-24

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> > > +5-12

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> > > +6-05

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> > > 1900

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> > > +0-10

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> > > +5-39

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> > > +6-05

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> > > +5-55

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> > > 1950

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> > > +0-37

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> > > -0-45

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> > > -0-08

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> > > +5-20

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> > > +6-05

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> > > +5-28

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> > > 2000

> > >

> > > +0-54

> > >

> > > -0-55

> > >

> > > -0-01

> > >

> > > +5-10

> > >

> > > +6-05

> > >

> > > +5-11

> > >

> > > OKPA= Old KPA, JH-KPA = JHora KPA, NKPA= New KPA

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > , " Sudan " <msbohra62@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Dr.Rath,

> > > >

> > > > My all exercise for,Can we adjust once Jhora for all time so this

> > > software give us KPNA or very near which is negligible.

> > > >

> > > > Now I have interesting data,

> > > >

> > > > On 1st Jan;1962 KPNA is 23-14-11 Jhora shows 23-14-09.58

> > > >

> > > > It is by once setting,what is difference 1.42 Seconds !It is really a

> > > matter of worry ?I set JHora on date 1st Jan;2009 to add 22.7016

> > > Seconds.

> > > >

> > > > See further data,

> > > >

> > > > On 1st Jan;2010 KPNA is 23-54-23 where Jhora shows 23-54-23.25

> > > > On 1st Jan;2011 KPNA is 23-55-14 where Jhora shows 23-55-13.51

> > > >

> > > > As like this,

> > > >

> > > > On 1st Jan;2017 KPNA is 24-00-15 where Jhoes shows 24-99-15.32

> > > > On 1st Jan;2030 KPNA is 24-11-09 where Jhora shows 24-11-09.10

> > > > On 1st Jan;2040 KPNA is 24-19-31 where Jhora shows 24-19-31.99

> > > >

> > > > What is the differences between these two ,Is it not negligible ?

> > > >

> > > > Jhora is free and have so many other functions if we can use it for KP

> > > than it is very useful tool for KP followers.

> > > >

> > > > When you cast the chart for Horary(Question)or for RPs you instantly

> > > open the software and without any correction you get every thing,it is

> > > matter for all exercise.Now make correction at once in your Jhora and

> > > see the result.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & regards,

> > > >

> > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > >

> > > > , Luther Rath rathluther@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bohraji,

> > > > > Instead of doing as you say, one may select " Sayana " option and add

> > > tha NKPA directly for the day. It shall be more easy.

> > > > > Dr. Rath

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > Sunaparantha Kalyan sunaparantha@

> > > > >

> > > > > Tue, October 13, 2009 9:24:32 PM

> > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from

> > > Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhora ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you very very much for your detailed reply

> > > > >

> > > > > Wish you all the best.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kalyan

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > Sudan msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Tue, October 13, 2009 6:31:32 PM

> > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

> > > Gondhelkar

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunaparanthaji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Set JHora as below :-

> > > > >

> > > > > In Birth data you select the date 1st Jan,2009 and time 00:00:00.

> > > and coordinates and place of your place.

> > > > >

> > > > > Open Preference >Ayanamsa > select Krishnamurti (KP)> in same window

> > > you will find Add Tab. select " Apply the correction " than below it in

> > > " Second " add 22.7000 and click OK. You have done now see the Ayanamsa

> > > you will get what KPNA is ,23-53-33,for 1st Jan;2009.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now click again on Preference Tab,you will find Save Preference

> > > select it.Now your JHora is set for you on KPNA for this year.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now close the programme and reopen it and see on today what Ayanamsa

> > > you have in your JHora and tally it with other software whom you find

> > > correct as per KPNA.

> > > > >

> > > > > In so many year it shows some differences so we can use it with

> > > setting for that year by correcting at " Second " level in Add Tab to get

> > > desire KPPNA for that year.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hope it will helpful.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > >

> > > > > @gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan

> > > <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you kindly give more explanation for adjusting KPNA in JHL,

> > > with an example.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kalyan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > Sudan <msbohra62@ ..>

> > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > Tue, October 13, 2009 8:16:58 AM

> > > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

> > > Gondhelkar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear TWji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Every 1st Jan of new year if you set KPNA by correcting to add in

> > > seconds section with choosing Krishnamurti Ayanamsa than set as

> > > " Preferences " than you will get KPNA for full year without any

> > > correction every time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ayanamsa > Krishnamurti > Add (Between 22 to 25 second)>second as

> > > you get right KPNA on 1st Jan in software of JHora than > Preference >

> > > Save Preference.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope it will helpful.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks & regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > > >

> > > > > > @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > > > > Thank you for the step by step explanation.

> > > > > > > What would be the easy and safe way to get the KPNA(2003)?

> > > > > > > Of course, this procedure is for JHora 3.3 version.

> > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > TW

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ >

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > > > > > The following are the steps: -

> > > > > > > > 1. Click on 'Preferences' .

> > > > > > > > 2.Go to 'Related to calculations' .

> > > > > > > > 3.Select 'Ayanamsa'.

> > > > > > > > 4.Select 'Tropical(sayana) " ayanamsa.

> > > > > > > > 5. In 'customize further' box-

> > > > > > > > a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'

> > > > > > > > b) Select 'Add'.

> > > > > > > > c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.

> > > > > > > > 6. Finally click OK.

> > > > > > > > It is done.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Due regards.

> > > > > > > > Dr. Rath

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > TW <tw853@>

> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > > Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from

> > > Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > > > > > Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the

> > > JHora positions to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of

> > > JHora using members.

> > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > TW

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@

> > > ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted

> > > according to own preference.

> > > > > > > > > Dr. Rath.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM

> > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View

> > > from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Bohraji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage /

> > > Mykundali. This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with

> > > almost all the SW & they are as good as anbody in the group.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > Amit

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View

> > > from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sudan,

> > > > > > > > > I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa

> > > used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s

> > > SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use

> > > K.P. New Ayanamsa...

> > > > > > > > > Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much

> > > of a difference

> > > > > > > > > Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB

> > > arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness.

> > > ..

> > > > > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >Sudan msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from

> > > Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > > > > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >Dear G.Singh ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and

> > > the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and

> > > sub-lord respectively. ..! "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level

> > > of Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > > > > > > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >Thanks,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >M.S.Bohra

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >@gro ups.com, " G " <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I

> > > rectified my birth time.

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> G. Singh

> > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB

> > > of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn

> > > something practically by discussion in the forum.

> > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given

> > > under:

> > > > > > > > > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > > > > > > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > > > > > > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > > > > > > > > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra)

> > > marriage and seperation

> > > > > > > > > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high

> > > status (possibly by lottery gain?)

> > > > > > > > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus)

> > > suddenly got big money

> > > > > > > > > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second

> > > time monetary gain;

> > > > > > > > > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a

> > > very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while

> > > studying abroad getting schorlarship;

> > > > > > > > > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain

> > > and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only

> > > transit

> > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB

> > > taken.

> > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > > >> > TW

> > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey

> > > <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear.

> > > Early marriage and late

> > > > > > > > > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If

> > > we can see from Adith

> > > > > > > > > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not

> > > that early. In her

> > > > > > > > > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age

> > > which is not true for some

> > > > > > > > > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very

> > > well negated by Moon

> > > > > > > > > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for

> > > from Adith ji's email.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there

> > > are KP astrologers who

> > > > > > > > > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you

> > > were referring my email

> > > > > > > > > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are

> > > the planet that give

> > > > > > > > > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic

> > > as well as KP.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of

> > > birth details before

> > > > > > > > > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he

> > > will not only bring

> > > > > > > > > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An

> > > astrologer should do this

> > > > > > > > > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the

> > > information with the source as

> > > > > > > > > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally

> > > with that. If an

> > > > > > > > > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future

> > > predictions will always remain

> > > > > > > > > >> > > non-reliable.

> > > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage "

> > > is uploaded in

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo

> > > cases do not really

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more

> > > such cases?>>>It has

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo

> > > only by conj, aspt or opp

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in

> > > KP Reader III p 205 (Old

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are

> > > not for delay but

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any

> > > reference, pl let us know to

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > study in this regard.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by

> > > Sunil ji, due to 6th and

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer

> > > and present the result to

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > the forum.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as

> > > emphasized in Vedic. To get a

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad

> > > (12), Mahatma Gandhi

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung

> > > (14), Ali Zulflikar

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine

> > > Davis (16), King of

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be

> > > studied.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every

> > > event of any native,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the

> > > justification other than having a

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's

> > > death in the dasa of

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well

> > > placed in the chart, BV

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter

> > > as learned from his grand

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord

> > > Gulika of Jupiter for death.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used

> > > to seek separation and

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL

> > > signifies 6th of partner's

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > walking out.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > TW

> > > > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey

> > > <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in

> > > the chart under

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > discussion,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > only sign exchange.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the

> > > age of 15?

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay

> > > in Marriage " is

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > uploaded in

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > the File section.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > TW

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <%

> > > 40. com>,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Punit

> > > > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not

> > > really delay. " seems

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > very

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases?

> > > Punarphoo is something

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > quite

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there

> > > is any doubt on delaying

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > nature

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary

> > > factor of the marriage

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite

> > > results which shows

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong

> > > somewhere. Either the birth

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > details

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case.

> > > Even with post-mortem

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to

> > > justify.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith

> > > kasinath.g.k <

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on

> > > your doubts.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just

> > > becasue of the said point

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > seems

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such

> > > conclusion. Sat being

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > CSL

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule

> > > . there are many points

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > have

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon

> > > sign and Moon in sat sign

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of

> > > Moon. All cause Punarpoo

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > also. But

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do

> > > not really delay. may be

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > we

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine.

> > > And she is our Quiz # 1

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Adith

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit

> > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally?

> > > As pointed out by Sunil

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > ji,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much

> > > early marriage/ love

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > marriage/

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > happy

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to

> > > me.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka

> > > sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star

> > > level signify

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7

> > > signification.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are

> > > found in many charts who

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary

> > > and not in

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so

> > > your line of thinking

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord

> > > of 6th also.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so

> > > its aspect on pluto

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and

> > > pluto aspect diff.is more

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9

> > > degrees..so no question of

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one

> > > who she loved when

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and

> > > how saturn gives

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com

> > > <% 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, " adith

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know

> > > the 7th CSL Sun is lord

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 12 is

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the

> > > lord of 6 (no planet in 6)

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > sat

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12

> > > signfications by the star level

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu

> > > (in 2) who is again in

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Jupiter (

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> R)

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7

> > > signfications by sublord

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > present,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly

> > > connected to 6,10, the

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > marraige

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by

> > > Dr. Rath on few cases

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > study,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are

> > > not favorable in many

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > cases.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the

> > > *Retro planets's star*

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > which

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in

> > > the Dr.Rath's study

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which I

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be

> > > considered for moe analysis.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in

> > > 2) along with Rahu.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects

> > > Pluto*.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and

> > > 7)in 12 (just 9mts

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > crossed

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 11th

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in

> > > saturn. *so strongly

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > signfies

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the

> > > lord of 2 and 11 posited

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > in 11

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> its

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd

> > > aspect*.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in

> > > the star of Jupiter (as

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and

> > > aspects Pluto

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10

> > > signfications present, the

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > signfications

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord

> > > of 7 Saturn and the lord

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 5

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto

> > > is present), she got

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > married

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.*

> > > She is running a happy

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > marital

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> life

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP

> > > itself.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil

> > > gondhalekar <sunilalaka@

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that

> > > still i have many

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > experieced

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his

> > > details are

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM;

> > > Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter

> > > opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus

> > > Neptune effects the native..

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only

> > > 1-3 9 houses so no

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > stability

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> job

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge

> > > financial loss during the dasa

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the

> > > native is still unmarried.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu

> > > in Jupiter star.. again a

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Neptune

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM,

> > > Subhash Ektare <

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is

> > > promised if 7CSL

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > signifies

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > any of

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses

> > > 5, 8. However this 7CSL

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > (which

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto.

> > > Thus 7 CSL is connected

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > with

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto

> > > definitely will have some

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive

> > > or negative). What I

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has

> > > negative effect, as

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > experienced

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> him in

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances

> > > marriage may not be

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > promised

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> due to

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please

> > > correct if I am wrong.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil

> > > ji personally and get

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > his

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> personal

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and

> > > getting the same even now.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > He

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> given many

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the

> > > magazine " Nakshatrache

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Dene "

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might

> > > have read those

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > articles.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case

> > > can be found in archive.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > If

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for

> > > non-materialization of

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > marriage I

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will be

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL

> > > <guide_ vijayanand@ >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com

> > > <%

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ;

> > > guide_ vijayanand@

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009

> > > 7:16:50 AM

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re:

> > > Query on financials -

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > View

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th

> > > cuspal sub lord shani

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being

> > > aspected by other planet,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > aspected

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting

> > > planets. Means if 7csl is

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting

> > > any other planet then

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > aspected

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If

> > > 7th cusp or primary as

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > well

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11

> > > and 5, 8 being aspected by

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > pluto,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> then

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial

> > > of marriage. As we see

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > that

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will

> > > cause delay to a

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > considerable

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its

> > > own as well as it is

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > not

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > having

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th

> > > CSL saturn, in this

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > case,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > pluto

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from

> > > giving results. Though,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> has

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles

> > > regarding Pluto, As I had

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > an

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at

> > > Sangli and I delighted

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > with

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no

> > > connecton of pluto to

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > cusp.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> So not

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may

> > > and will be another

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > reasons

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President,

> > > Astrovision, The

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > SCientific

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology,

> > > Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91

> > > 9673746303

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530

> > > wrote

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, #

> > > 16114 ........7CSL Sat

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > aspects

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not

> > > promise marriage question

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > DBA

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My

> > > understanding of Sunil ji's

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > principle

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is even

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but

> > > if DBA lords aspect Pluto

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> result is

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if

> > > I am wrong.In message #

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto.

> > > In thismessage also Mr.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has

> > > mentioned: " results of neptune is not yet

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... .........

> > > ......... .......but pluto

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this

> > > point.3. Agreed.4. When

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > we

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is

> > > the rationale? This is

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > based

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was

> > > observed that Pluto has

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > negative

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that

> > > sufficient number of cases

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > should be

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studied

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point.

> > > When shadow planets such

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > as

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other

> > > planets Pluto, Neptune,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Uranus

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which have

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to

> > > alter/reverse the effects.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > This

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of

> > > KP if proved by

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @:

> > > Sunday, September 27,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM

> > > Re: Query on financials

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > -

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > View

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is

> > > nothing about DBA or star

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theory

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted

> > > before.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on

> > > Pluto to deny marriage.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

> > > system/message/ 16123

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's

> > > aspect on Pluto to deny

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

> > > system/message/ 16114

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the

> > > opposite result for the house

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > (there

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie.

> > > 11th to give no marriage

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > instead

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in

> > > 7th not give marriage.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

> > > system/message/ 14157

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly

> > > clarify whether Sunil ji

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > has

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> found any

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of

> > > his presentations of

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be

> > > wholely malefic is not found

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > in KP

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the

> > > rationale of such a small

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real

> > > planets. Such kind of idea

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com,

> > > Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's

> > > interpretation. This

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > confirms

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question

> > > through aspects of DBAS

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________

> > > __

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009

> > > 4:17:11 AM

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on

> > > financials - View from

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. /

> > > group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > 16123

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. /

> > > group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > 16114

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. /

> > > group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > 14157

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro

> > > ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller

> > > Astrology. While studying the

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > effects of

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of

> > > KP. It would be more

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > appropriate

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every

> > > constellation rather than

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It

> > > takes about 248 years

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > to

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This

> > > means it traverses each

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has

> > > traversed only 9 out of

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > 27

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect

> > > enough data for analyzing

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > its

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of

> > > August 2009 Honorable

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > TW ji

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> says

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar

> > > to that of Hindu God

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Shiva,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a

> > > house it begins to bring

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > deep

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues

> > > and the first step is

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > destruction

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it..........

> > > ......(Planets in Transit Page 477). "

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the

> > > effects of Pluto and Neptune

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil

> > > Gondhalekar has experienced

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > such

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see,

> > > it is not based on

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Pluto's

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > (or

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or

> > > constellation as there is no

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > research

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> data

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any

> > > place in Vimshottari

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Dasha

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> System..

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I

> > > can think of is

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > conjunction

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of

> > > course within prescribed

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > orb). I

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> would

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide

> > > whether my concept is

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil

> > > Gondhalekar ji that he has

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > come

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> across

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like

> > > to offer my services

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > for

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings

> > > under his guidance.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________

> > > __

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24,

> > > 2009 12:10:05 PM

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query

> > > on financials - View

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > from

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always

> > > Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 2009)

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Western

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books

> > > of Jeffrey Green, his

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor,

> > > Paramahansa Yogananda,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> known as

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the

> > > astrological chart. Jeffrey

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Green

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> said that

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could

> > > begin to mange the mystery

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey

> > > within evolution. A positive

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > side of

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a

> > > fairly common Plutonian

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > profession is

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy.

> > > (Essays on Astrology,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > page

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 46)

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus

> > > house-wise appearance of

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Pluto

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> and

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA

> > > charts of AstroDatabank 4.0

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in

> > > Houses

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a

> > > house is (1/12=) 8%. The

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not

> > > significantly different from

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For

> > > Pluto, the house-wise

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > appearance is

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the

> > > average of 8% for the 2, 7 and

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > 8

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is

> > > still far below to be the

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > cause

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of no

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any

> > > of 2,7 and 8 houses.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Hence

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no

> > > marriage by mere appearance

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on

> > > Pluto and Relationships

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > or

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the

> > > references, Pluto is not

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > wholly

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign,

> > > position and astrological

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > aspects.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in

> > > eight points specific

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > procedure

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> followed

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page

> > > 239. Pluto is supposed to

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > magnify

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change

> > > the results of that

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > planet

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> always for

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the

> > > Pluto-Saturn connection

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > carries

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter

> > > connection provides success and

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > wealth.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet

> > > is wholly malefic or

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > benefic.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th

> > > generally indicates power

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > struggle

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> between

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with

> > > possible undesirable

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all.

> > > Similarly Neptune in the

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > 7th is

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not

> > > condemned by karma to

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > relinquish

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> them

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386)

> > > An observation of the AA

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot

> > > be the cause of no

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is

> > > therefore undesirable to

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend

> > > upset with Pluto's adverse

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > effects,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research,

> > > requiring a minimum of one

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > hundred

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies,

> > > as mentioned by Judith

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Hill

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro

> > > ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from

> > > sunilji on this

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I

> > > also remember a couple of

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > write

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene

> > > 2009 Vasantik issue )on

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving

> > > extremely -ve effects . I

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > had

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> almost

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for

> > > reminding.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i

> > > am pasting the contents

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > from

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of

> > > " Pluto Effects " the

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > extra

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp

> > > system,but i am following

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > these

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if

> > > there effects are

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > considered.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn

> > > aspects Pluto within 3 deg.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and

> > > Jupiter also aspecting

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > @4

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and

> > > planets are not offering good

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a

> > > desctructive results

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was

> > > very sure about pluto

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> when

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my

> > > diwali 2008 issue and i

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > have

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> many

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about

> > > pluto effects.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________

> > > _________ __

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k

> > > gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro

> > > ups.com

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23,

> > > 2009 2:33:43 AM

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re:

> > > Query on financials

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from

> > > Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Out of

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for

> > > profession.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of

> > > 5) who is in close

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > cojunction

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> with the

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected

> > > by satrun the lord of

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > 8.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly

> > > signfies 11(no planet in

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > its

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> star).

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12

> > > Mercury. Further

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Mercury

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the

> > > lord of 12 in 11.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable

> > > signficators of 6,10, the

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > 5(12

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to

> > > 10),12 are not favorable and

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > it

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> being

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has

> > > no planet in its star)

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > .

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can

> > > not be taken as bad, as it

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > may

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession

> > > related to foreign

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > countries.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00

> > > AM, Amit Soman

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > amitbs2002@

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit

> > > Soman included below]

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I

> > > am attaching a screen

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > shot in

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from

> > > Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > cusp

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The

> > > 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj

> > > Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj

> > > Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa

> > > 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of

> > > 1,7,8( inheritance

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > ),11 & 10.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create

> > > problems in profession but

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > also

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are

> > > operating.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So

> > > if partner is gaining he

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > will

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what

> > > is the reason for bad

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > economic

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid

> > > Aug 09. After that it is

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > .

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> We see

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from

> > > 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > signification

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> are

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj

> > > Ve(10)11

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10

> > > Aspect (4)(8)

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj

> > > Ve(10)11

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of

> > > DB ( Sat + Ra )=

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional

> > > earning we say that 10th

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > sub

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> should

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2

> > > but we find 6,10,11 are

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally

> > > good?

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________

> > > _________ __

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro

> > > ups.com

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman

> > > amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21,

> > > 2009 11:05:09 AM

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re:

> > > Query on financials

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00.

> > > AM IST.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth

> > > Chart for this

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > time,usingK. P.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord

> > > of II as Saturn...earlier

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were

> > > getting the sublord of II

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > as

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the

> > > EXACT TOB,the sublord

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as

> > > the Moon's starlord and

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect

> > > the Birth chart for this

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > TOB...you

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________

> > > _________ __

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman

> > > amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro

> > > ups.com

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21,

> > > 2009 6:44:11 PM

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query

> > > on financials

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I

> > > was working on a

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for

> > > consultation for a couple of

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > issues

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> . I

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past

> > > aspects of his life. When

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > i

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some

> > > did not. BUT i was 100%

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > wrong on

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND

> > > was unable to find any

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in

> > > the group can point out

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > how

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past

> > > 8 -10 yrs? What are the

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

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October 17, 2009

Dear Dr.Rath,

I was in confusion,Can i use JHora confidently for KP system with these

negligible differences ?

Thanks for your's and TWji's guide line.

With regards and good wishes for Deepawali,

M.S.Bohra

, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

>

> Dear Bohraji,

> With due apology I would like to say that there is no proof that any Ayanamsa

is absolutely correct. No one is sure which is the 0 year as regards Ayanamsa is

concerned. We do not know how much we have precessed during these years. I think

the rate of precession is perhaps correct. What I have studied in the nets, the

rate varies every day, every month and every year. There is a rising trend

though. Therefor to be meticulous for few seconds in ayanamsa does not bear any

importance. But for academic reasons and for uniformity in predictions we have

to use a particular(NKPA) ayanamsa.

> Dr. Rath.

>

> ________________________________

> Sudan <msbohra62

>

> Fri, October 16, 2009 3:07:07 PM

> Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

>

> Dear Dr.Rath,

>

> My all exercise for,Can we adjust once Jhora for all time so this software

give us KPNA or very near which is negligible.

>

> Now I have interesting data,

>

> On 1st Jan;1962 KPNA is 23-14-11 Jhora shows 23-14-09.58

>

> It is by once setting,what is difference 1.42 Seconds !It is really a matter

of worry ?I set JHora on date 1st Jan;2009 to add 22.7016 Seconds.

>

> See further data,

>

> On 1st Jan;2010 KPNA is 23-54-23 where Jhora shows 23-54-23.25

> On 1st Jan;2011 KPNA is 23-55-14 where Jhora shows 23-55-13.51

>

> As like this,

>

> On 1st Jan;2017 KPNA is 24-00-15 where Jhoes shows 24-99-15.32

> On 1st Jan;2030 KPNA is 24-11-09 where Jhora shows 24-11-09.10

> On 1st Jan;2040 KPNA is 24-19-31 where Jhora shows 24-19-31.99

>

> What is the differences between these two ,Is it not negligible ?

>

> Jhora is free and have so many other functions if we can use it for KP than it

is very useful tool for KP followers.

>

> When you cast the chart for Horary(Question) or for RPs you instantly open the

software and without any correction you get every thing,it is matter for all

exercise.Now make correction at once in your Jhora and see the result.

>

> Thanks & regards,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bohraji,

> > Instead of doing as you say, one may select " Sayana " option and add tha NKPA

directly for the day. It shall be more easy.

> > Dr. Rath

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tue, October 13, 2009 9:24:32 PM

> > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> >

> > Dear Bhora ji,

> >

> > Thank you very very much for your detailed reply

> >

> > Wish you all the best.

> >

> > Kalyan

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tue, October 13, 2009 6:31:32 PM

> > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> >

> > Dear Sunaparanthaji,

> >

> > Set JHora as below :-

> >

> > In Birth data you select the date 1st Jan,2009 and time 00:00:00. and

coordinates and place of your place.

> >

> > Open Preference >Ayanamsa > select Krishnamurti (KP)> in same window you

will find Add Tab. select " Apply the correction " than below it in " Second " add

22.7000 and click OK. You have done now see the Ayanamsa you will get what KPNA

is ,23-53-33,for 1st Jan;2009.

> >

> > Now click again on Preference Tab,you will find Save Preference select

it.Now your JHora is set for you on KPNA for this year.

> >

> > Now close the programme and reopen it and see on today what Ayanamsa you

have in your JHora and tally it with other software whom you find correct as per

KPNA.

> >

> > In so many year it shows some differences so we can use it with setting for

that year by correcting at " Second " level in Add Tab to get desire KPPNA for

that year.

> >

> > Hope it will helpful.

> >

> > Thanks & regards,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bohra Ji,

> > >

> > > Can you kindly give more explanation for adjusting KPNA in JHL, with an

example.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > >

> > > Kalyan

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Sudan <msbohra62@ ..>

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Tue, October 13, 2009 8:16:58 AM

> > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > >

> > > Dear TWji,

> > >

> > > Every 1st Jan of new year if you set KPNA by correcting to add in seconds

section with choosing Krishnamurti Ayanamsa than set as " Preferences " than you

will get KPNA for full year without any correction every time.

> > >

> > > Ayanamsa > Krishnamurti > Add (Between 22 to 25 second)>second as you get

right KPNA on 1st Jan in software of JHora than > Preference > Save Preference.

> > >

> > > Hope it will helpful.

> > >

> > > Thanks & regards,

> > >

> > > M.S.Bohra

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > Thank you for the step by step explanation.

> > > > What would be the easy and safe way to get the KPNA(2003)?

> > > > Of course, this procedure is for JHora 3.3 version.

> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > TW

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > > The following are the steps: -

> > > > > 1. Click on 'Preferences' .

> > > > > 2.Go to 'Related to calculations' .

> > > > > 3.Select 'Ayanamsa'.

> > > > > 4.Select 'Tropical(sayana) " ayanamsa.

> > > > > 5. In 'customize further' box-

> > > > > a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'

> > > > > b) Select 'Add'.

> > > > > c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.

> > > > > 6. Finally click OK.

> > > > > It is done.

> > > > >

> > > > > Due regards.

> > > > > Dr. Rath

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > TW <tw853@>

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM

> > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > > Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the JHora

positions to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of JHora using

members.

> > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > TW

> > > > >

> > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted according

to own preference.

> > > > > > Dr. Rath.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>

> > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM

> > > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from

Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bohraji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage /

Mykundali. This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all

the SW & they are as good as anbody in the group.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Amit

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM

> > > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from

Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sudan,

> > > > > > I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa used by

J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s SW...for best

results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New Ayanamsa...

> > > > > > Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much of a

difference

> > > > > > Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB arrived at

by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..

> > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Dear G.Singh ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the

sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord

respectively. ..! "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of

Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > > > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Thanks,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >M.S.Bohra

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >@gro ups.com, " G " <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified

my birth time.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> G. Singh

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the

very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something

practically by discussion in the forum.

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> > > > > > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > > > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > > > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > > > > > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage

and seperation

> > > > > > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status

(possibly by lottery gain?)

> > > > > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got

big money

> > > > > > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time

monetary gain;

> > > > > > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very

passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying

abroad getting schorlarship;

> > > > > > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start

of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > >> > TW

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early

marriage and late

> > > > > > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can

see from Adith

> > > > > > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that

early. In her

> > > > > > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is

not true for some

> > > > > > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well

negated by Moon

> > > > > > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from

Adith ji's email.

> > > > > > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP

astrologers who

> > > > > > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > > > > > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were

referring my email

> > > > > > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > > > > > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the

planet that give

> > > > > > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well

as KP.

> > > > > > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth

details before

> > > > > > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not

only bring

> > > > > > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer

should do this

> > > > > > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information

with the source as

> > > > > > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that.

If an

> > > > > > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions

will always remain

> > > > > > >> > > non-reliable.

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is

uploaded in

> > > > > > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do

not really

> > > > > > >> > > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such

cases?>>>It has

> > > > > > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by

conj, aspt or opp

> > > > > > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP

Reader III p 205 (Old

> > > > > > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > > > > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for

delay but

> > > > > > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference,

pl let us know to

> > > > > > >> > > > study in this regard.

> > > > > > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji,

due to 6th and

> > > > > > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and

present the result to

> > > > > > >> > > > the forum.

> > > > > > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in

Vedic. To get a

> > > > > > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12),

Mahatma Gandhi

> > > > > > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali

Zulflikar

> > > > > > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis

(16), King of

> > > > > > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > > > > > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of

any native,

> > > > > > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification

other than having a

> > > > > > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in

the dasa of

> > > > > > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in

the chart, BV

> > > > > > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as

learned from his grand

> > > > > > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of

Jupiter for death.

> > > > > > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek

separation and

> > > > > > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies

6th of partner's

> > > > > > >> > > > walking out.

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > >> > > > TW

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > > > > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > > > > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > > > > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > > > > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the

chart under

> > > > > > >> > > > discussion,

> > > > > > >> > > > > only sign exchange.

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in

Marriage " is

> > > > > > >> > > > uploaded in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > the File section.

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > TW

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <%

40. com>,

> > > > > > >> > > > Punit

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really

delay. " seems

> > > > > > >> > > > very

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo

is something

> > > > > > >> > > > quite

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any

doubt on delaying

> > > > > > >> > > > > > nature

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor

of the marriage

> > > > > > >> > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results

which shows

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either

the birth

> > > > > > >> > > > details

> > > > > > >> > > > > > have

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even

with post-mortem

> > > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your

doubts.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of

the said point

> > > > > > >> > > > seems

> > > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such

conclusion. Sat being

> > > > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > > > >> > > > > > CSL

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there

are many points

> > > > > > >> > > > have

> > > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and

Moon in sat sign

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All

cause Punarpoo

> > > > > > >> > > > > > also. But

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really

delay. may be

> > > > > > >> > > > we

> > > > > > >> > > > > > have to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she

is our Quiz # 1

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Adith

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey

punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As

pointed out by Sunil

> > > > > > >> > > > ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early

marriage/ love

> > > > > > >> > > > marriage/

> > > > > > >> > > > > > happy

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka

sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level

signify

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7

signification.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in

many charts who

> > > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not

in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line

of thinking

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th

also.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect

on pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto

aspect diff.is more

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no

question of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she

loved when

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn

gives

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <%

40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, " adith

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th

CSL Sun is lord

> > > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 12 is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6

(no planet in 6)

> > > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > sat

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by

the star level

> > > > > > >> > > > is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2)

who is again in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Jupiter (

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> R)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7

signfications by sublord

> > > > > > >> > > > > > present,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to

6,10, the

> > > > > > >> > > > marraige

> > > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr.

Rath on few cases

> > > > > > >> > > > > > study,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not

favorable in many

> > > > > > >> > > > cases.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro

planets's star*

> > > > > > >> > > > which

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the

Dr.Rath's study

> > > > > > >> > > > charts

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for

moe analysis.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2)

along with Rahu.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12

(just 9mts

> > > > > > >> > > > crossed

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 11th

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn.

*so strongly

> > > > > > >> > > > > > signfies

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2

and 11 posited

> > > > > > >> > > > in 11

> > > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> its

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the

star of Jupiter (as

> > > > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications

present, the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > signfications

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7

Saturn and the lord

> > > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 5

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is

present), she got

> > > > > > >> > > > married

> > > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is

running a happy

> > > > > > >> > > > marital

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> life

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil

gondhalekar <sunilalaka@

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i

have many

> > > > > > >> > > > experieced

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad,

19N53,75E20

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and

aspects Neptune

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune

effects the native..

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9

houses so no

> > > > > > >> > > > stability

> > > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> job

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss

during the dasa

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is

still unmarried.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in

Jupiter star.. again a

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Neptune

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash

Ektare <

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised

if 7CSL

> > > > > > >> > > > signifies

> > > > > > >> > > > > > any of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8.

However this 7CSL

> > > > > > >> > > > > > (which

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL

is connected

> > > > > > >> > > > with

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely

will have some

> > > > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or

negative). What I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > understood

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative

effect, as

> > > > > > >> > > > experienced

> > > > > > >> > > > > > by

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> him in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances

marriage may not be

> > > > > > >> > > > > > promised

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> due to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I

am wrong.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji

personally and get

> > > > > > >> > > > his

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> personal

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the

same even now.

> > > > > > >> > > > He

> > > > > > >> > > > > > has

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> given many

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the

magazine " Nakshatrache

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Dene "

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have

read those

> > > > > > >> > > > articles.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be

found in archive.

> > > > > > >> > > > If

> > > > > > >> > > > > > you

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for

non-materialization of

> > > > > > >> > > > marriage I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will be

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_

vijayanand@ >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com

<%

> > > > > > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_

vijayanand@

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on

financials -

> > > > > > >> > > > View

> > > > > > >> > > > > > from

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal

sub lord shani

> > > > > > >> > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by

other planet,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > aspected

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets.

Means if 7csl is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other

planet then

> > > > > > >> > > > aspected

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp

or primary as

> > > > > > >> > > > well

> > > > > > >> > > > > > as

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8

being aspected by

> > > > > > >> > > > > > pluto,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> then

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of

marriage. As we see

> > > > > > >> > > > that

> > > > > > >> > > > > > when

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause

delay to a

> > > > > > >> > > > > > considerable

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as

well as it is

> > > > > > >> > > > not

> > > > > > >> > > > > > having

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL

saturn, in this

> > > > > > >> > > > case,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving

results. Though,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> has

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding

Pluto, As I had

> > > > > > >> > > > an

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli

and I delighted

> > > > > > >> > > > with

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no

connecton of pluto to

> > > > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > > > >> > > > > > cusp.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> So not

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will

be another

> > > > > > >> > > > reasons

> > > > > > >> > > > > > which

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President,

Astrovision, The

> > > > > > >> > > > SCientific

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology,

Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114

.........7CSL Sat

> > > > > > >> > > > aspects

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise

marriage question

> > > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > DBA

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding

of Sunil ji's

> > > > > > >> > > > > > principle

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is even

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA

lords aspect Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> result is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am

wrong.In message #

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In

thismessage also Mr.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of

neptune is not yet

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... .........

........but pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > gives

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this

point.3. Agreed.4. When

> > > > > > >> > > > we

> > > > > > >> > > > > > say

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the

rationale? This is

> > > > > > >> > > > based

> > > > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed

that Pluto has

> > > > > > >> > > > negative

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient

number of cases

> > > > > > >> > > > > > should be

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studied

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When

shadow planets such

> > > > > > >> > > > as

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets

Pluto, Neptune,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Uranus

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which have

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to

alter/reverse the effects.

> > > > > > >> > > > This

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if

proved by

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday,

September 27,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re:

Query on financials

> > > > > > >> > > > -

> > > > > > >> > > > > > View

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing

about DBA or star

> > > > > > >> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theory

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to

deny marriage.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 16123

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect

on Pluto to deny

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 16114

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite

result for the house

> > > > > > >> > > > > > (there

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to

give no marriage

> > > > > > >> > > > > > instead

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not

give marriage.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 14157

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify

whether Sunil ji

> > > > > > >> > > > has

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> found any

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his

presentations of

> > > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely

malefic is not found

> > > > > > >> > > > in KP

> > > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale

of such a small

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets.

Such kind of idea

> > > > > > >> > > > is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash

Ektare wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's

interpretation. This

> > > > > > >> > > > > > confirms

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through

aspects of DBAS

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11

AM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on

financials - View from

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > > > > >> > > > 16123

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > > > > >> > > > 16114

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > > > > >> > > > 14157

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com,

Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While

studying the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > effects of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It

would be more

> > > > > > >> > > > > > appropriate

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every

constellation rather than

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes

about 248 years

> > > > > > >> > > > to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it

traverses each

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed

only 9 out of

> > > > > > >> > > > 27

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough

data for analyzing

> > > > > > >> > > > its

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August

2009 Honorable

> > > > > > >> > > > TW ji

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> says

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that

of Hindu God

> > > > > > >> > > > Shiva,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it

begins to bring

> > > > > > >> > > > deep

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the

first step is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > destruction

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in

Transit Page 477). "

> > > > > > >> > > > > > This

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of

Pluto and Neptune

> > > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar

has experienced

> > > > > > >> > > > such

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is

not based on

> > > > > > >> > > > Pluto's

> > > > > > >> > > > > > (or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as

there is no

> > > > > > >> > > > research

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> data

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place

in Vimshottari

> > > > > > >> > > > Dasha

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> System..

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can

think of is

> > > > > > >> > > > conjunction

> > > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course

within prescribed

> > > > > > >> > > > orb). I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> would

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether

my concept is

> > > > > > >> > > > correct

> > > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil

Gondhalekar ji that he has

> > > > > > >> > > > > > come

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> across

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to

offer my services

> > > > > > >> > > > for

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his

guidance.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009

12:10:05 PM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on

financials - View

> > > > > > >> > > > from

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always

Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 2009)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Western

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of

Jeffrey Green, his

> > > > > > >> > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor,

Paramahansa Yogananda,

> > > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> known as

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological

chart. Jeffrey

> > > > > > >> > > > Green

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> said that

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to

mange the mystery

> > > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within

evolution. A positive

> > > > > > >> > > > > > side of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common

Plutonian

> > > > > > >> > > > > > profession is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays

on Astrology,

> > > > > > >> > > > page

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 46)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus

house-wise appearance of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of

AstroDatabank 4.0

> > > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is

(1/12=) 8%. The

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly

different from

> > > > > > >> > > > the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the

house-wise

> > > > > > >> > > > > > appearance is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8%

for the 2, 7 and

> > > > > > >> > > > 8

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far

below to be the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > cause

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of no

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7

and 8 houses.

> > > > > > >> > > > Hence

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by

mere appearance

> > > > > > >> > > > in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto

and Relationships

> > > > > > >> > > > or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references,

Pluto is not

> > > > > > >> > > > wholly

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and

astrological

> > > > > > >> > > > > > aspects.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight

points specific

> > > > > > >> > > > > > procedure

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> followed

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239.

Pluto is supposed to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > magnify

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the

results of that

> > > > > > >> > > > planet

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> always for

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the

Pluto-Saturn connection

> > > > > > >> > > > > > carries

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection

provides success and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > wealth.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly

malefic or

> > > > > > >> > > > benefic.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally

indicates power

> > > > > > >> > > > > > struggle

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> between

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with

possible undesirable

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly

Neptune in the

> > > > > > >> > > > 7th is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not

condemned by karma to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > relinquish

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> them

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An

observation of the AA

> > > > > > >> > > > > > charts

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the

cause of no

> > > > > > >> > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore

undesirable to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with

Pluto's adverse

> > > > > > >> > > > > > effects,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring

a minimum of one

> > > > > > >> > > > > > hundred

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as

mentioned by Judith

> > > > > > >> > > > Hill

> > > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit

Soman wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji

on this

> > > > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also

remember a couple of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > write

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009

Vasantik issue )on

> > > > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > > > >> > > > > > of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely

-ve effects . I

> > > > > > >> > > > had

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> almost

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for

reminding.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am

pasting the contents

> > > > > > >> > > > from

> > > > > > >> > > > > > his

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto

Effects " the

> > > > > > >> > > > extra

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but

i am following

> > > > > > >> > > > these

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there

effects are

> > > > > > >> > > > considered.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto

within 3 deg.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter

also aspecting

> > > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > @4

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are

not offering good

> > > > > > >> > > > > > results

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive

results

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure

about pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > effects

> > > > > > >> > > > > > and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> when

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali

2008 issue and i

> > > > > > >> > > > have

> > > > > > >> > > > > > got

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> many

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto

effects.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k

gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009

2:33:43 AM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on

financials

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the

lord of 7,8,9.

> > > > > > >> > > > Out of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who

is in close

> > > > > > >> > > > > > cojunction

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> with the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by

satrun the lord of

> > > > > > >> > > > 8.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies

11(no planet in

> > > > > > >> > > > its

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> star).

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12

Mercury. Further

> > > > > > >> > > > Mercury

> > > > > > >> > > > > > being

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12

in 11.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable

signficators of 6,10, the

> > > > > > >> > > > 5(12

> > > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are

not favorable and

> > > > > > >> > > > it

> > > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> being

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no

planet in its star)

> > > > > > >> > > > .

> > > > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be

taken as bad, as it

> > > > > > >> > > > may

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related

to foreign

> > > > > > >> > > > countries.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit

Soman

> > > > > > >> > > > amitbs2002@

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman

included below]

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am

attaching a screen

> > > > > > >> > > > shot in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33

( i prepare the

> > > > > > >> > > > cusp

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub

is Sa. Its

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to

8-11-2014

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8(

inheritance

> > > > > > >> > > > ),11 & 10.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in

profession but

> > > > > > >> > > > also

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if

partner is gaining he

> > > > > > >> > > > will

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the

reason for bad

> > > > > > >> > > > > > economic

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09.

After that it is

> > > > > > >> > > > bad

> > > > > > >> > > > > > .

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> We see

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to

23-04-2012.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > signification

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> are

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect

(4)(8)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB (

Sat + Ra )=

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning

we say that 10th

> > > > > > >> > > > sub

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> should

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we

find 6,10,11 are

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009

11:05:09 AM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on

financials

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for

this

> > > > > > >> > > > time,usingK. P.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as

Saturn...earlier

> > > > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the

sublord of II

> > > > > > >> > > > as

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT

TOB,the sublord

> > > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the

Moon's starlord and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth

chart for this

> > > > > > >> > > > > > TOB...you

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 (AT) (DOT)

com>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009

6:44:11 PM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on

financials

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was

working on a

> > > > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > > > >> > > > > > of a

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation

for a couple of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > issues

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> . I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of

his life. When

> > > > > > >> > > > i

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not.

BUT i was 100%

> > > > > > >> > > > > > wrong on

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable

to find any

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the

group can point out

> > > > > > >> > > > how

> > > > > > >> > > > > > he

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10

yrs? What are the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> <

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > http://sigads. rediff.com/ RealMedia/ ads/click_

nx.ads/www. rediffmail. com/signaturelin e.htm@Middle

> > > > > > >> > > > ?

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > --

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask. com

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

> > >

> > > http://mail.

> > >

> >

>

October 17, 2009

Dear Friends,Namaskar,Sorry to disturb yr discussion.But I must say this.Since 2003 I have been in Jagannath Center for Astrology as a student.It is called "Aachuta Guru Kula"and all lessons were conducted by a Sri Lankan Astrologer Mr. Karu Heenkenda. JHL is devoted especially for traditional/Vedic System and it is a very hard job to learn by heart all the Slokas and Guru Mantras. For the benefits of their students, they have donated this JHora SW and it can be freely used by anyone interesting in Astrology for the benefits of the people, according to the developers.Except the KP Page therein, all other information are according to Traditional/Vedic.But no argument at all, it is very useful SW, but one must be very careful to understand while he is using

this SW for KP purposes. Becz We are in KP Path and runnig in KSK's path. Following of Jhl is seems to be ran in a reversed way by taking glance at the KP road.I know Dr. Rath is an expert doing with JHL, with his utmost experience, But he may also have to make charts in his own paper/page with it as no KP chart can be made with this.So my opinion is, when ther are several free KP SWs like My Kundali, KPStarOne, we should not fully follow a non KP SW, to obtain KP results.I am not condemning JHL, as I was a student there.If I am wrong in this issue, pl. excuse me.KalyanSudan

<msbohra62 Sent: Sat, October 17, 2009 8:17:42 PM Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

Dear Dr.Rath,

I was in confusion,Can i use JHora confidently for KP system with these negligible differences ?

Thanks for your's and TWji's guide line.

With regards and good wishes for Deepawali,

M.S.Bohra

@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Bohraji,

> With due apology I would like to say that there is no proof that any Ayanamsa is absolutely correct. No one is sure which is the 0 year as regards Ayanamsa is concerned. We do not know how much we have precessed during these years. I think the rate of precession is perhaps correct. What I have studied in the nets, the rate varies every day, every month and every year. There is a rising trend though. Therefor to be meticulous for few seconds in ayanamsa does not bear any importance. But for academic reasons and for uniformity in predictions we have to use a particular(NKPA) ayanamsa.

> Dr. Rath.

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Sudan <msbohra62@. ..>

> @gro ups.com

> Fri, October 16, 2009 3:07:07 PM

> Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

>

> Dear Dr.Rath,

>

> My all exercise for,Can we adjust once Jhora for all time so this software give us KPNA or very near which is negligible.

>

> Now I have interesting data,

>

> On 1st Jan;1962 KPNA is 23-14-11 Jhora shows 23-14-09.58

>

> It is by once setting,what is difference 1.42 Seconds !It is really a matter of worry ?I set JHora on date 1st Jan;2009 to add 22.7016 Seconds.

>

> See further data,

>

> On 1st Jan;2010 KPNA is 23-54-23 where Jhora shows 23-54-23.25

> On 1st Jan;2011 KPNA is 23-55-14 where Jhora shows 23-55-13.51

>

> As like this,

>

> On 1st Jan;2017 KPNA is 24-00-15 where Jhoes shows 24-99-15.32

> On 1st Jan;2030 KPNA is 24-11-09 where Jhora shows 24-11-09.10

> On 1st Jan;2040 KPNA is 24-19-31 where Jhora shows 24-19-31.99

>

> What is the differences between these two ,Is it not negligible ?

>

> Jhora is free and have so many other functions if we can use it for KP than it is very useful tool for KP followers.

>

> When you cast the chart for Horary(Question) or for RPs you instantly open the software and without any correction you get every thing,it is matter for all exercise.Now make correction at once in your Jhora and see the result.

>

> Thanks & regards,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bohraji,

> > Instead of doing as you say, one may select "Sayana" option and add tha NKPA directly for the day. It shall be more easy.

> > Dr. Rath

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tue, October 13, 2009 9:24:32 PM

> > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> >

> > Dear Bhora ji,

> >

> > Thank you very very much for your detailed reply

> >

> > Wish you all the best.

> >

> > Kalyan

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tue, October 13, 2009 6:31:32 PM

> > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> >

> > Dear Sunaparanthaji,

> >

> > Set JHora as below :-

> >

> > In Birth data you select the date 1st Jan,2009 and time 00:00:00. and coordinates and place of your place.

> >

> > Open Preference >Ayanamsa > select Krishnamurti (KP)> in same window you will find Add Tab. select "Apply the correction" than below it in "Second" add 22.7000 and click OK. You have done now see the Ayanamsa you will get what KPNA is ,23-53-33,for 1st Jan;2009.

> >

> > Now click again on Preference Tab,you will find Save Preference select it.Now your JHora is set for you on KPNA for this year.

> >

> > Now close the programme and reopen it and see on today what Ayanamsa you have in your JHora and tally it with other software whom you find correct as per KPNA.

> >

> > In so many year it shows some differences so we can use it with setting for that year by correcting at "Second" level in Add Tab to get desire KPPNA for that year.

> >

> > Hope it will helpful.

> >

> > Thanks & regards,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bohra Ji,

> > >

> > > Can you kindly give more explanation for adjusting KPNA in JHL, with an example.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > >

> > > Kalyan

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Sudan <msbohra62@ ..>

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Tue, October 13, 2009 8:16:58 AM

> > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > >

> > > Dear TWji,

> > >

> > > Every 1st Jan of new year if you set KPNA by correcting to add in seconds section with choosing Krishnamurti Ayanamsa than set as "Preferences" than you will get KPNA for full year without any correction every time.

> > >

> > > Ayanamsa > Krishnamurti > Add (Between 22 to 25 second)>second as you get right KPNA on 1st Jan in software of JHora than > Preference > Save Preference.

> > >

> > > Hope it will helpful.

> > >

> > > Thanks & regards,

> > >

> > > M.S.Bohra

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, "TW" <tw853@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > Thank you for the step by step explanation.

> > > > What would be the easy and safe way to get the KPNA(2003)?

> > > > Of course, this procedure is for JHora 3.3 version.

> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > TW

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > > The following are the steps: -

> > > > > 1. Click on 'Preferences' .

> > > > > 2.Go to 'Related to calculations' .

> > > > > 3.Select 'Ayanamsa'.

> > > > > 4.Select 'Tropical(sayana) " ayanamsa.

> > > > > 5. In 'customize further' box-

> > > > > a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'

> > > > > b) Select 'Add'.

> > > > > c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.

> > > > > 6. Finally click OK.

> > > > > It is done.

> > > > >

> > > > > Due regards.

> > > > > Dr. Rath

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > TW <tw853@>

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM

> > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > > Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the JHora positions to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of JHora using members.

> > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > TW

> > > > >

> > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted according to own preference.

> > > > > > Dr. Rath.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>

> > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM

> > > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bohraji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali. This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW & they are as good as anbody in the group.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Amit

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM

> > > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sudan,

> > > > > > I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New Ayanamsa...

> > > > > > Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much of a difference

> > > > > > Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..

> > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Dear G.Singh ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >" Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively. ..!"

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > > > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Thanks,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >M.S.Bohra

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >@gro ups.com, "G" <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth time.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> G. Singh

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> @gro ups.com, "TW" <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> > > > > > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > > > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > > > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > > > > > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation

> > > > > > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?)

> > > > > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money

> > > > > > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;

> > > > > > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;

> > > > > > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > >> > TW

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and late

> > > > > > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith

> > > > > > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her

> > > > > > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some

> > > > > > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon

> > > > > > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.

> > > > > > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who

> > > > > > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > > > > > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email

> > > > > > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > > > > > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give

> > > > > > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.

> > > > > > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before

> > > > > > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring

> > > > > > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this

> > > > > > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as

> > > > > > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an

> > > > > > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always remain

> > > > > > >> > > non-reliable.

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in

> > > > > > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really

> > > > > > >> > > > delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has

> > > > > > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp

> > > > > > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old

> > > > > > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > > > > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but

> > > > > > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to

> > > > > > >> > > > study in this regard.

> > > > > > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and

> > > > > > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to

> > > > > > >> > > > the forum.

> > > > > > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a

> > > > > > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi

> > > > > > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar

> > > > > > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of

> > > > > > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > > > > > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,

> > > > > > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a

> > > > > > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of

> > > > > > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV

> > > > > > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand

> > > > > > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.

> > > > > > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and

> > > > > > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's

> > > > > > >> > > > walking out.

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > >> > > > TW

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > > > > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > > > > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > > > > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > > > > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under

> > > > > > >> > > > discussion,

> > > > > > >> > > > > only sign exchange.

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is

> > > > > > >> > > > uploaded in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > the File section.

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > TW

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,

> > > > > > >> > > > Punit

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems

> > > > > > >> > > > very

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something

> > > > > > >> > > > quite

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying

> > > > > > >> > > > > > nature

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage

> > > > > > >> > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth

> > > > > > >> > > > details

> > > > > > >> > > > > > have

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem

> > > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point

> > > > > > >> > > > seems

> > > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being

> > > > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > > > >> > > > > > CSL

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points

> > > > > > >> > > > have

> > > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo

> > > > > > >> > > > > > also. But

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be

> > > > > > >> > > > we

> > > > > > >> > > > > > have to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Adith

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil

> > > > > > >> > > > ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love

> > > > > > >> > > > marriage/

> > > > > > >> > > > > > happy

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who

> > > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, "adith

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord

> > > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 12 is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)

> > > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > sat

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level

> > > > > > >> > > > is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Jupiter (

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> R)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord

> > > > > > >> > > > > > present,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the

> > > > > > >> > > > marraige

> > > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases

> > > > > > >> > > > > > study,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many

> > > > > > >> > > > cases.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*

> > > > > > >> > > > which

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study

> > > > > > >> > > > charts

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts

> > > > > > >> > > > crossed

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 11th

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly

> > > > > > >> > > > > > signfies

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited

> > > > > > >> > > > in 11

> > > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> its

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as

> > > > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > signfications

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord

> > > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 5

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got

> > > > > > >> > > > married

> > > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy

> > > > > > >> > > > marital

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> life

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many

> > > > > > >> > > > experieced

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no

> > > > > > >> > > > stability

> > > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> job

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Neptune

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL

> > > > > > >> > > > signifies

> > > > > > >> > > > > > any of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL

> > > > > > >> > > > > > (which

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected

> > > > > > >> > > > with

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some

> > > > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > understood

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as

> > > > > > >> > > > experienced

> > > > > > >> > > > > > by

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> him in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be

> > > > > > >> > > > > > promised

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> due to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get

> > > > > > >> > > > his

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> personal

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.

> > > > > > >> > > > He

> > > > > > >> > > > > > has

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> given many

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Dene"

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those

> > > > > > >> > > > articles.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.

> > > > > > >> > > > If

> > > > > > >> > > > > > you

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of

> > > > > > >> > > > marriage I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will be

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%

> > > > > > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -

> > > > > > >> > > > View

> > > > > > >> > > > > > from

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani

> > > > > > >> > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > aspected

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then

> > > > > > >> > > > aspected

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as

> > > > > > >> > > > well

> > > > > > >> > > > > > as

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected by

> > > > > > >> > > > > > pluto,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> then

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see

> > > > > > >> > > > that

> > > > > > >> > > > > > when

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a

> > > > > > >> > > > > > considerable

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is

> > > > > > >> > > > not

> > > > > > >> > > > > > having

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this

> > > > > > >> > > > case,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> has

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had

> > > > > > >> > > > an

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted

> > > > > > >> > > > with

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to

> > > > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > > > >> > > > > > cusp.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> So not

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another

> > > > > > >> > > > reasons

> > > > > > >> > > > > > which

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The

> > > > > > >> > > > SCientific

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 ........7CSL Sat

> > > > > > >> > > > aspects

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question

> > > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > DBA

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of Sunil ji's

> > > > > > >> > > > > > principle

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is even

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> result is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message #

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... ......... .......but pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > gives

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> negation"2. I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When

> > > > > > >> > > > we

> > > > > > >> > > > > > say

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is

> > > > > > >> > > > based

> > > > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has

> > > > > > >> > > > negative

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases

> > > > > > >> > > > > > should be

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studied

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such

> > > > > > >> > > > as

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Uranus

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which have

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.

> > > > > > >> > > > This

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials

> > > > > > >> > > > -

> > > > > > >> > > > > > View

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star

> > > > > > >> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theory

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house

> > > > > > >> > > > > > (there

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage

> > > > > > >> > > > > > instead

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji

> > > > > > >> > > > has

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> found any

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of

> > > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found

> > > > > > >> > > > in KP

> > > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a small

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea

> > > > > > >> > > > is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This

> > > > > > >> > > > > > confirms

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > > > >> > > > 16123

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > > > >> > > > 16114

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > > > >> > > > 14157

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > effects of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more

> > > > > > >> > > > > > appropriate

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years

> > > > > > >> > > > to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of

> > > > > > >> > > > 27

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing

> > > > > > >> > > > its

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable

> > > > > > >> > > > TW ji

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> says

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God

> > > > > > >> > > > Shiva,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring

> > > > > > >> > > > deep

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > destruction

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477)."

> > > > > > >> > > > > > This

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune

> > > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced

> > > > > > >> > > > such

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on

> > > > > > >> > > > Pluto's

> > > > > > >> > > > > > (or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no

> > > > > > >> > > > research

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> data

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari

> > > > > > >> > > > Dasha

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> System..

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is

> > > > > > >> > > > conjunction

> > > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed

> > > > > > >> > > > orb). I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> would

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is

> > > > > > >> > > > correct

> > > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has

> > > > > > >> > > > > > come

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> across

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services

> > > > > > >> > > > for

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View

> > > > > > >> > > > from

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 2009)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Western

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his

> > > > > > >> > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,

> > > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> known as

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey

> > > > > > >> > > > Green

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> said that

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery

> > > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive

> > > > > > >> > > > > > side of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian

> > > > > > >> > > > > > profession is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,

> > > > > > >> > > > page

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 46)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0

> > > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from

> > > > > > >> > > > the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise

> > > > > > >> > > > > > appearance is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and

> > > > > > >> > > > 8

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > cause

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of no

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.

> > > > > > >> > > > Hence

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance

> > > > > > >> > > > in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships

> > > > > > >> > > > or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not

> > > > > > >> > > > wholly

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological

> > > > > > >> > > > > > aspects.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific

> > > > > > >> > > > > > procedure

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> followed

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > magnify

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that

> > > > > > >> > > > planet

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> always for

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection

> > > > > > >> > > > > > carries

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > wealth.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or

> > > > > > >> > > > benefic.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power

> > > > > > >> > > > > > struggle

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> between

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the

> > > > > > >> > > > 7th is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > relinquish

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> them

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA

> > > > > > >> > > > > > charts

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no

> > > > > > >> > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse

> > > > > > >> > > > > > effects,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one

> > > > > > >> > > > > > hundred

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith

> > > > > > >> > > > Hill

> > > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this

> > > > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > write

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on

> > > > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > > > >> > > > > > of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I

> > > > > > >> > > > had

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> almost

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents

> > > > > > >> > > > from

> > > > > > >> > > > > > his

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto Effects" the

> > > > > > >> > > > extra

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following

> > > > > > >> > > > these

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are

> > > > > > >> > > > considered.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting

> > > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > @4

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good

> > > > > > >> > > > > > results

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > effects

> > > > > > >> > > > > > and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> when

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i

> > > > > > >> > > > have

> > > > > > >> > > > > > got

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> many

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.

> > > > > > >> > > > Out of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close

> > > > > > >> > > > > > cojunction

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> with the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of

> > > > > > >> > > > 8.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in

> > > > > > >> > > > its

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> star).

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further

> > > > > > >> > > > Mercury

> > > > > > >> > > > > > being

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the

> > > > > > >> > > > 5(12

> > > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and

> > > > > > >> > > > it

> > > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> being

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)

> > > > > > >> > > > .

> > > > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it

> > > > > > >> > > > may

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign

> > > > > > >> > > > countries.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman

> > > > > > >> > > > amitbs2002@

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen

> > > > > > >> > > > shot in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the

> > > > > > >> > > > cusp

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance

> > > > > > >> > > > ),11 & 10.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but

> > > > > > >> > > > also

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he

> > > > > > >> > > > will

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad

> > > > > > >> > > > > > economic

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is

> > > > > > >> > > > bad

> > > > > > >> > > > > > .

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> We see

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > signification

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> are

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th

> > > > > > >> > > > sub

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> should

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this

> > > > > > >> > > > time,usingK. P.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier

> > > > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II

> > > > > > >> > > > as

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord

> > > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this

> > > > > > >> > > > > > TOB...you

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a

> > > > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > > > >> > > > > > of a

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > issues

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> . I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When

> > > > > > >> > > > i

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%

> > > > > > >> > > > > > wrong on

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out

> > > > > > >> > > > how

> > > > > > >> > > > > > he

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

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> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar

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October 18, 2009

In my personal experience I find Jhora outstanding ( contents and quality ) in comparison to a lot of paid softwares. There are many free softwares available but they are hard to install and create problems in DLL files. Some of these executable may not be compatible with what you already have in your DLL files even though you may be using standard windows OS. All the information for KP chart is given correctly in Jhora except natal KP wheel is missing, I guess we will eventually get that one also.

Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha Sent: Sat, 17 October, 2009 10:40:47 PMRe: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

Dear Friends,Namaskar,Sorry to disturb yr discussion.But I must say this.Since 2003 I have been in Jagannath Center for Astrology as a student.It is called "Aachuta Guru Kula"and all lessons were conducted by a Sri Lankan Astrologer Mr. Karu Heenkenda. JHL is devoted especially for traditional/ Vedic System and it is a very hard job to learn by heart all the Slokas and Guru Mantras. For the benefits of their students, they have donated this JHora SW and it can be freely used by anyone interesting in Astrology for the benefits of the people, according to the developers.Except the KP Page therein, all other information are according to Traditional/ Vedic.But no argument at all, it is very useful SW, but one must be very careful to understand while he is using this SW for KP purposes. Becz We are in KP Path and runnig in KSK's path. Following of Jhl is seems to be ran in a reversed way by taking glance at the

KP road.I know Dr. Rath is an expert doing with JHL, with his utmost experience, But he may also have to make charts in his own paper/page with it as no KP chart can be made with this.So my opinion is, when ther are several free KP SWs like My Kundali, KPStarOne, we should not fully follow a non KP SW, to obtain KP results.I am not condemning JHL, as I was a student there.If I am wrong in this issue, pl. excuse me.Kalyan

Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comSat, October 17, 2009 8:17:42 PM Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

Dear Dr.Rath,I was in confusion,Can i use JHora confidently for KP system with these negligible differences ?Thanks for your's and TWji's guide line.With regards and good wishes for Deepawali,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bohraji,> With due apology I would like to say that there is no proof that any Ayanamsa is absolutely correct. No one is sure which is the 0 year as regards Ayanamsa is concerned. We do not know how much we have precessed during these years. I think the rate of precession is perhaps correct. What I have studied in the nets, the rate varies every day, every month and every year. There is a rising trend though. Therefor to be meticulous for few seconds in ayanamsa does not bear any

importance. But for academic reasons and for uniformity in predictions we have to use a particular(NKPA) ayanamsa. > Dr. Rath.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Sudan <msbohra62@. ..>> @gro ups.com> Fri, October 16, 2009 3:07:07 PM> Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > Dear Dr.Rath,> > My all exercise for,Can we adjust once Jhora for all time so this software give us KPNA or very near which is negligible.> > Now I have interesting data,> > On 1st Jan;1962 KPNA is 23-14-11 Jhora shows 23-14-09.58> > It is by once setting,what is difference 1.42 Seconds !It is really a matter of worry ?I set

JHora on date 1st Jan;2009 to add 22.7016 Seconds.> > See further data,> > On 1st Jan;2010 KPNA is 23-54-23 where Jhora shows 23-54-23.25> On 1st Jan;2011 KPNA is 23-55-14 where Jhora shows 23-55-13.51> > As like this,> > On 1st Jan;2017 KPNA is 24-00-15 where Jhoes shows 24-99-15.32> On 1st Jan;2030 KPNA is 24-11-09 where Jhora shows 24-11-09.10> On 1st Jan;2040 KPNA is 24-19-31 where Jhora shows 24-19-31.99> > What is the differences between these two ,Is it not negligible ?> > Jhora is free and have so many other functions if we can use it for KP than it is very useful tool for KP followers.> > When you cast the chart for Horary(Question) or for RPs you instantly open the software and without any correction you get every thing,it is matter for all exercise.Now make correction at once in your Jhora and see the result.> >

Thanks & regards,> > M.S.Bohra> > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Bohraji,> > Instead of doing as you say, one may select "Sayana" option and add tha NKPA directly for the day. It shall be more easy.> > Dr. Rath> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...>> > @gro ups.com> > Tue, October 13, 2009 9:24:32 PM> > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > Dear Bhora ji,> > > > Thank you very very much for your detailed reply> > > > Wish you all the best.> > > > Kalyan> > > > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > @gro ups.com> > Tue, October 13, 2009 6:31:32 PM> > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > Dear Sunaparanthaji,> > > > Set JHora as below :-> > > > In Birth data you select the date 1st Jan,2009 and time 00:00:00. and coordinates and place of your place.> > > > Open Preference >Ayanamsa > select Krishnamurti (KP)> in same window you will find Add Tab. select "Apply the correction" than below it in "Second" add 22.7000 and click OK. You have done now see the Ayanamsa you will get what KPNA is ,23-53-33,for 1st Jan;2009.> > > > Now click again on Preference Tab,you will find Save Preference select it.Now your

JHora is set for you on KPNA for this year.> > > > Now close the programme and reopen it and see on today what Ayanamsa you have in your JHora and tally it with other software whom you find correct as per KPNA.> > > > In so many year it shows some differences so we can use it with setting for that year by correcting at "Second" level in Add Tab to get desire KPPNA for that year.> > > > Hope it will helpful.> > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > @gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bohra Ji,> > > > > > Can you kindly give more explanation for adjusting KPNA in JHL, with an example.> > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > > > Kalyan> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Sudan <msbohra62@ ..>> > > @gro ups.com> > > Tue, October 13, 2009 8:16:58 AM> > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > > > > Dear TWji,> > > > > > Every 1st Jan of new year if you set KPNA by correcting to add in seconds section with choosing Krishnamurti Ayanamsa than set as "Preferences" than you will get KPNA for full year without any correction every time.> > > > > > Ayanamsa > Krishnamurti > Add (Between 22 to 25 second)>second as you get right KPNA on 1st Jan in software of JHora than > Preference > Save Preference.> > > > > > Hope it will helpful.> >

> > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "TW" <tw853@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Friend,> > > > Thank you for the step by step explanation.> > > > What would be the easy and safe way to get the KPNA(2003)?> > > > Of course, this procedure is for JHora 3.3 version.> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > TW> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected Sir,> > > > > The following are the steps: -> > > > > 1. Click on 'Preferences' .> > > > > 2.Go to 'Related to calculations' .> > > > > 3.Select

'Ayanamsa'.> > > > > 4.Select 'Tropical(sayana) " ayanamsa.> > > > > 5. In 'customize further' box-> > > > > a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'> > > > > b) Select 'Add'.> > > > > c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.> > > > > 6. Finally click OK.> > > > > It is done.> > > > > > > > > > Due regards.> > > > > Dr. Rath> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > TW <tw853@>> > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM> > > > > Subject:

Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friend,> > > > > Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the JHora positions to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of JHora using members.> > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > TW > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted according to own preference.> > > > > > Dr. Rath.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________

__> > > > > > Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM> > > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bohraji> > > > > > > > > > > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali. This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW & they are as good as anbody in the group.> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Amit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM> > > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sudan,> > > > > > I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New Ayanamsa...> > > > > > Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much of a difference > > > > > > Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB arrived

at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..> > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >Dear G.Singh ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule

for BTR as :-> > > > > > >> > > > > > >" Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively. ..!"> > > > > > >> > > > > > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa> > > > > > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa> > > > > > >> > > > > > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >Thanks,> > > > > > >> > > > > > >M.S.Bohra> > > > > > >> > > > > > >--- In

@gro ups.com, "G" <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth time.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> G. Singh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> @gro ups.com, "TW" <tw853@> wrote:> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > 2. Three

rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:> > > > > > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> > > > > > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> > > > > > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.> > > > > > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation> > > > > > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?) > > > > > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money> > > > > > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;> > > > > >

>> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;> > > > > > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Thanks and regards,> > > > > > >> > TW > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > >> > >

> > > >> > > Dear Tw ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and late> > > > > > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith> > > > > > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her> > > > > > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some> > > > > > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon> > > > > > >> > > and Mercury. I got the

answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.> > > > > > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who> > > > > > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.> > > > > > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email> > > > > > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.> > > > > > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give> > > > > > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.> > > > > > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before> > > > > > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he

will not do that, he will not only bring> > > > > > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this> > > > > > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as> > > > > > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an> > > > > > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always remain> > > > > > >> > > non-reliable.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in> > > > > > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really> > > > > > >> > > > delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has> > > > > > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with

Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp> > > > > > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old> > > > > > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.> > > > > > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but> > > > > > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to> > > > > > >> > > > study in this regard.> > > > > > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and> > > > > > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to> > > > > > >> > > > the forum.> > > > > > >>

> > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a> > > > > > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi> > > > > > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar> > > > > > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of> > > > > > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.> > > > > > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,> > > > > > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a> > > > > > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in

the dasa of> > > > > > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV> > > > > > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand> > > > > > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.> > > > > > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and> > > > > > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's> > > > > > >> > > > walking out.> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > > >> > > > TW> > > > > >

>> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -> > > > > > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn> > > > > > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th> > > > > > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (> > > > > > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under> > > > > > >> > > > discussion,> > > > > > >> > > > > only sign exchange.> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > >

> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is> > > > > > >> > > > uploaded in> > > > > > >> > > > > > the File section.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > TW> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >

> @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,> > > > > > >> > > > Punit> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems> > > > > > >> > > > very> > > > > > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something> > > > > > >> > > > quite> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying> > > > > > >> > > > > > nature> > > > > > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage> > > > > > >> > > > > > delay.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows> > > > > > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth> > > > > > >> > > > details> > > > > > >> > > > > > have> > > > > > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem> > > > > >

>> > > > and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <> > > > > > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point> > > > > > >> > > > seems> > > > > > >> > > > > > to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being> > > > > > >> > > > 7th>

> > > > > >> > > > > > CSL> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points> > > > > > >> > > > have> > > > > > >> > > > > > to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo> > > > > > >> > > > > > also. But> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be> > > > > > >> > > > we> > > > > > >> > > > >

> have to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Adith> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil> > > > > > >> > > > ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > I> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love> > > > > > >> > > > marriage/> > > > > > >> > > > > > happy> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who> > > > > > >> > > > are> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken

in horary and not in> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, "adith> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord> > > > > > >> > > > of> > > > > > >> > > > > > 12 is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)> > > > > > >> > > > and> > > > > > >> > > > > > sat> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level> > > > > > >> > > > is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental> > > > > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in> > > > > > >> > > > > > Jupiter (> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> R)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord> > > > > > >> > > > > > present,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the> > > > > > >> > > > marraige> > > > > > >> > > > > > is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases> > > > > > >> > > > > > study,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many> > > > > > >> > > > cases.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*> > > > > > >> > > > which> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I

noticed in the Dr.Rath's study> > > > > > >> > > > charts> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which I> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem,

Tamil Nadu,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts> > > > > > >> > > > crossed> > > > > > >> > > > > > 11th>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly> > > > > > >> > > > > > signfies> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited> > > > > > >> > > > in 11> > > > > > >> > > > > > in> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> its> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as> > > > > > >> > > > > > your> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the> > > > > > >> > > > > > signfications> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord> > > > > > >> > > > of> > > > > > >> > > > > > 5> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got> > > > > > >> > > > married> > > > > > >> > > > > > to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy> > > > > > >> > > > marital> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> life> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@> > > > > > >> > > > > > >wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many> > > > > >

>> > > > experieced> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus

Neptune effects the native..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no> > > > > > >> > > > stability> > > > > > >> > > > > > in> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> job> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a> > > > > > >> > > > > > Neptune> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL> > > > > > >> > > > signifies> > > > > > >> > > > > > any of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL> > > > > > >> > > > > > (which> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting

Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected> > > > > > >> > > > with> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some> > > > > > >> > > > effect> > > > > > >> > > > > > on> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I> > > > > > >> > > > > > understood> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as> > > > > > >> > > > experienced> > > > > > >> > > > > > by> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> him in> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be> > > > > > >> > > > > > promised> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> due to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get> > > > > > >> > > > his> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> personal> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.> > > > > > >> > > > He> > > > > > >> > > > > > has> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> given many> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache> > > > > > >> > > > > > Dene"> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those> > > > > > >> > > > articles.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.> > > > > > >> > > > If> > > > > > >> > > > > > you> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of> > > > > > >> > > > marriage I> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > >>> will be> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:*

@gro ups.com <%> > > > > > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -> > > > > > >> > > > View> > > > > > >> > > > > > from> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani> > > > > > >> > > > > > aspects> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,> > > > > > >> > > > > > aspected> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then> > > > > > >> > > > aspected> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as> > > > > > >> > > > well> > > > > > >> > > > > > as> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected by> > > > > > >> > > > > > pluto,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> then> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see> > > > > > >> > > > that> > > > > > >> > > > > > when> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a> > > > > > >> > > > > > considerable> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > >>> time. As> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is> > > > > > >> > > > not> > > > > > >> > > > > > having> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this> > > > > > >> > > > case,> > > > > > >> > > > > > pluto> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results.

Though,> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> has> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had> > > > > > >> > > > an> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted> > > > > > >> > > > with> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto

to> > > > > > >> > > > 7th> > > > > > >> > > > > > cusp.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> So not> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another> > > > > > >> > > > reasons> > > > > > >> > > > > > which> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The> > > > > > >> > > > SCientific> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit :

physics@> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 ........7CSL Sat> > > > > > >> > > > aspects> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question> > > > > >

>> > > > of> > > > > > >> > > > > > DBA> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of Sunil ji's> > > > > > >> > > > > > principle> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is even> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto> > > > > > >> > > > the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> result is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if

I am wrong.In message #> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr.> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunil> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... ......... .......but pluto> > > > > > >> > > > gives> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> negation"2. I> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can

clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When> > > > > > >> > > > we> > > > > > >> > > > > > say> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is> > > > > > >> > > > based> > > > > > >> > > > > > on> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has> > > > > > >> > > > negative> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases> > > > > > >> > > > > > should be> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studied> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such> > > > > > >> > > > as> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,> > > > > > >> > > > > > Uranus> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which have> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.> > > > > > >> > > > This> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials> > > > > > >> > > > -> > > > >

> >> > > > > > View> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star> > > > > > >> > > > > > lord> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theory> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny> > > > > >

>> > > > > > > >>> marriage.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house> > > > > > >> > > > > > (there> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage> > > > > > >> > > > > > instead> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji> > > > > > >> > > > has> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> found any> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of> > > > > > >> > > >

Pluto> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found> > > > > > >> > > > in KP> > > > > > >> > > > > > or> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a small> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite

can> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea> > > > > > >> > > > is> > > > > > >> > > > > > not> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This> > > > > > >> > > > > > confirms> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > > > > > >> > > > 16123> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > > > > > >> > > > 16114> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > > > > > >> > > > 14157> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the> > > > > > >> > > > > > effects of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more> > > > > > >> > > > > > appropriate> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years> > > > > > >> > > > to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of> > > > > > >> > > > 27> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing> > > > > > >> > > > its> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

effects.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable> > > > > > >> > > > TW ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> says> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God> > > > > > >> > > > Shiva,> > > > > > >> > > > > > the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As

Pluto transits a house it begins to bring> > > > > > >> > > > deep> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is> > > > > > >> > > > > > destruction> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477)."> > > > > > >> > > > > > This> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> >>> shows> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune> > > > > > >> > > > are> > > > > > >> > > > > > not> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced> > >

> > > >> > > > such> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on> > > > > > >> > > > Pluto's> > > > > > >> > > > > > (or> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no> > > > > > >> > > > research> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> data> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari> > > > > > >> > > > Dasha> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> System..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is> > > > > > >> > > > conjunction> > > > > > >> > > > > > or> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

aspects of the DBAS> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed> > > > > > >> > > > orb). I> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> would> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is> > > > > > >> > > > correct> > > > > > >> > > > > > or> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has> > > > > > >> > > > > > come> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> across> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services> > > > > > >> > > > for> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________

__> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View> > > > > > >> > > > from> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug> > > > > > >> > > > > > 2009)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Western> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his> > > > > > >> > > > > > daughter> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,> > > > > > >> > > > Pluto> > > > > > >> > > > > > is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> known as> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey> > > > > > >> > > > Green> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> said that> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery> > > > > > >> > > > of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive> > > > > > >> > > > > > side of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian> > > > > > >> > > > > > profession is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,> > > > > > >> > > > page> > > > > > >> > > > > > 46)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of> > > > > > >> > > > > > Pluto> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0> > > > > > >> > > > are> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and

Pl in Houses> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7..

7.. 15> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

house-wise> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from> > > > > > >> > > > the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise> > > > > > >> > > > > > appearance is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and> > > > > > >> > > > 8> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the> > > > > > >> > > > > > cause> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of no> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.> > > > > > >> > > > Hence> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance> > > > > > >> > > > in> > > > > > >> > > > > > the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th> > > > > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships> > > > > > >> > > > or> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not> > > > > > >> > > > wholly> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological> > > > > > >> > > > > > aspects.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific> > > > > > >> > > > > > procedure> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> followed> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to> > > > > > >> > > > > > magnify> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that> > > > > > >> > > > planet> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> always for> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection> > > > > > >> > > > > > carries> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and> > > > > > >> > > > > > wealth.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

(Noel> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or> > > > > > >> > > > benefic.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power> > > > > > >> > > > > > struggle> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> between> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune

in the> > > > > > >> > > > 7th is> > > > > > >> > > > > > not> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to> > > > > > >> > > > > > relinquish> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> them> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA> > > > > > >> > > > > > charts> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no> > > > > > >> > > > > > marriage.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse> > > > > > >> > > > > > effects,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited

research, requiring a minimum of one> > > > > > >> > > > > > hundred> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith> > > > > > >> > > > Hill> > > > > > >> > > > > > in> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro

ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this> > > > > > >> > > > horoscope> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of> > > > > > >> > > > > > write> > > > > >

>> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on> > > > > > >> > > > effect> > > > > > >> > > > > > of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I> > > > > > >> > > > had> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> almost> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents> > > > > > >> > > > from> > > > > > >> > > > > > his> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto

Effects" the> > > > > > >> > > > extra> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following> > > > > > >> > > > these> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are> > > > > > >> > > > considered.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn

aspects Pluto within 3 deg.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting> > > > > > >> > > > Pluto> > > > > > >> > > > > > @4> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good> > > > > > >> > > > > > results> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto> > > > > > >> > > > effects> > > > > > >> > > > > > and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> when> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i> > > > > > >> > > > have> > > > > > >>

> > > > > got> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> many> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.> > > > > > >> > > > Out of> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close> > > > > > >> > > > > > cojunction> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> with the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka

Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of> > > > > > >> > > > 8.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in> > > > > > >> > > > its> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> star).> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further> > > > > > >> > > > Mercury> > > > > > >> > > >

> > being> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the> > > > > > >> > > > 5(12> > > > > > >> > > > > > to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and> > > > > > >> > > > it> > > > > > >> > > > > > is> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> being> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)> > > > > > >> > > > .> > > > > > >> > > > > > But> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it> > > > > > >> > > > may> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign> > > > > > >> > > >

countries.> > > > > > >> > > > > > But> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman> > > > > > >> >

> > amitbs2002@> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen> > > > > > >> > > > shot in> > > > > > >> > > > > > the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the> > > > > > >> > > > cusp> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance> > > > > > >> > > > ),11 & 10.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but> > > > > > >> > > > also> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by

inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he> > > > > > >> > > > will> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad> > > > > > >> > > > > > economic> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is> > > > > > >> > > > bad> > > > > > >> > > > > > .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> We see> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.> > > > > > >> > > > > > signification> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> are> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma :

(10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=> > > > > > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th> > > > > > >> > > > sub> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> should> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this> > > > > > >> > > > time,usingK. P.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier> > > > > > >> > > > > > your> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II> > > > > > >> > > > as> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the

EXACT TOB,the sublord> > > > > > >> > > > and> > > > > > >> > > > > > the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this> > > > > > >> > > > > > TOB...you> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials> > > > > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a> > > > > > >> > > > horoscope> > > > > > >> > > > > > of a> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of> > > > > > >> > > > > > issues> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> . I> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When> > > > > > >> > > > i> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%> > > > > > >> > > > > > wrong on> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out> > > > > > >> > > > how> > > > > > >> > > > > > he> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > >

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> >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> <> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > http://sigads. rediff.com/ RealMedia/ ads/click_ nx.ads/www. rediffmail. com/signaturelin e.htm@Middle> > > > > > >> > > > ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > --> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

www.astrologyask. com> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > http://mail. > > >> >>

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October 19, 2009

Dear Sir, You can use J Hora very confidently for KP System.

Dr. Rath

Sudan <msbohra62 Sent: Sat, October 17, 2009 8:17:42 PM Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar