Exceptions to 8'th House

December 16, 2007

Lalitji,

lord of 1st and 8th is lord of sustana (1st) and lord of dustana (8th)

- It cannot be considered fully beneficial.

As lord of 8th house, it can not only bring longevity but also debts

and diseases.

Planet will give resutls for everything

- both benefic and malefic

Regards

Kiran

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <litsol

wrote:

>

> Dear Group/Elders,

>

> Pls. correct/enhance following , if required -

>

> a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars for Aries

> Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad.

>

> b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th and 8'th eg - Jup for Leo

> Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th or 8'th not considered

> bad.

>

> c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for Gemini

> Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad.

>

> My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also, mixed

> results we should derive.

>

> I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

December 16, 2007

Dear Kiran ji,

Thanx for the views, I m agreed to ur viewpoint, however, I have no

chart to vaerify this,i also think, this placement will give him

power to overcome debts, he should be able to pay off the debts, how,

by other' help or by his own long term savings.... i need senior's

opinion on this.

regards,

Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " kiran.rama "

<kiran.rama wrote:

>

> Lalitji,

> lord of 1st and 8th is lord of sustana (1st) and lord of dustana

(8th)

> - It cannot be considered fully beneficial.

> As lord of 8th house, it can not only bring longevity but also debts

> and diseases.

>

> Planet will give resutls for everything

> - both benefic and malefic

>

> Regards

> Kiran

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <litsol@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Group/Elders,

> >

> > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required -

> >

> > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars for

Aries

> > Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad.

> >

> > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th and 8'th eg - Jup

for Leo

> > Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th or 8'th not

considered

> > bad.

> >

> > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for

Gemini

> > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad.

> >

> > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also, mixed

> > results we should derive.

> >

> > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

>

December 16, 2007

Dear lalit and Kiran

I have Libra lagna and exalted Venus which is 6th house. It is also assocaited with Ketu about 5 degrre apart and Sun about 20 degree apart.

Till now now I have reasonaly fortunate life. I never have spare cash though whenever I need it it appears

BTW an email entitled

How to look at chart - Let's burn the concepts of benific/malific

is going on where was the original tread. I have been dying to burn out the concept of these

HARE RAMA KRSNA

pl analyse

kamal

-

litsol

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:52 AM

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th House

Dear Kiran ji,Thanx for the views, I m agreed to ur viewpoint, however, I have no chart to vaerify this,i also think, this placement will give him power to overcome debts, he should be able to pay off the debts, how, by other' help or by his own long term savings.... i need senior's opinion on this.regards,Lalit.Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "kiran.rama" <kiran.rama wrote:>> Lalitji,> lord of 1st and 8th is lord of sustana (1st) and lord of dustana (8th)> - It cannot be considered fully beneficial.> As lord of 8th house, it can not only bring longevity but also debts> and diseases. > > Planet will give resutls for everything > - both benefic and malefic> > Regards> Kiran> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "litsol" <litsol@>> wrote:> >> > > > Dear Group/Elders,> > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required -> > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars for Aries> > Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad.> > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th and 8'th eg - Jup for Leo> > Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th or 8'th not considered> > bad.> > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for Gemini> > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad.> > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also, mixed> > results we should derive.> > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also.> > > > regards,> > Lalit.> >>

December 16, 2007

Dear Lalit,

They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha analysis.

The results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the graha

owns a good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not

considered a functional benefic.

Chandrashekhar.

litsol wrote:

Dear Group/Elders,

Pls. correct/enhance following , if required -

a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars for

Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad.

b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th

and 8'th eg - Jup for Leo Asc and Merc for

Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th or 8'th

not considered bad.

c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for

Gemini Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad.

My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also, mixed

results we should derive.

I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also.

regards,

Lalit.

December 16, 2007

kamalji,

datetime and place of birth pls.

regards

kiran

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Vedic Learner "

<sightsolutions wrote:

>

> Dear lalit and Kiran

>

> I have Libra lagna and exalted Venus which is 6th house. It is also

assocaited with Ketu about 5 degrre apart and Sun about 20 degree apart.

>

> Till now now I have reasonaly fortunate life. I never have spare

cash though whenever I need it it appears

>

> BTW an email entitled

> How to look at chart - Let's burn the concepts of benific/malific

>

> is going on where was the original tread. I have been dying to burn

out the concept of these

>

> HARE RAMA KRSNA

> pl analyse

>

> kamal

> -

> litsol

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> Sunday, December 16, 2007 10:52 AM

> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th House

>

> Dear Kiran ji,

>

> Thanx for the views, I m agreed to ur viewpoint, however, I have no

> chart to vaerify this,i also think, this placement will give him

> power to overcome debts, he should be able to pay off the debts, how,

> by other' help or by his own long term savings.... i need senior's

> opinion on this.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " kiran.rama "

> <kiran.rama@> wrote:

> >

> > Lalitji,

> > lord of 1st and 8th is lord of sustana (1st) and lord of dustana

> (8th)

> > - It cannot be considered fully beneficial.

> > As lord of 8th house, it can not only bring longevity but also debts

> > and diseases.

> >

> > Planet will give resutls for everything

> > - both benefic and malefic

> >

> > Regards

> > Kiran

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <litsol@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Group/Elders,

> > >

> > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required -

> > >

> > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars for

> Aries

> > > Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad.

> > >

> > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th and 8'th eg - Jup

> for Leo

> > > Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th or 8'th not

> considered

> > > bad.

> > >

> > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for

> Gemini

> > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad.

> > >

> > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also, mixed

> > > results we should derive.

> > >

> > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> >

>

December 17, 2007

Chandrashekhar ji Namaste

As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be

considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha since it

is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th or trine

to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be treated

as Shubha.

Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankar

Har Har Shankar

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha

analysis. The

> results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the graha

owns a

> good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not considered a

> functional benefic.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> litsol wrote:

> >

> > Dear Group/Elders,

> >

> > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required -

> >

> > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars for

> > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad.

> >

> > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg - Jup

for

> > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or *8'th not

> > considered bad.

> >

> > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for

Gemini

> > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad.

> >

> > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also,

mixed

> > results we should derive.

> >

> > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

>

December 17, 2007

Prabodh ji,

Namskaar and thanx, Shubha is ok, but group wishes to get more subtle

findings from u, like shubha in what respects and if less shubha then

in what respects.

regards,

Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Prabodh Vekhande "

<amolmandar wrote:

>

> Chandrashekhar ji Namaste

>

> As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be

> considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha since

it

> is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th or

trine

> to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be

treated

> as Shubha.

>

> Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande

> Jai Jai Shankar

> Har Har Shankar

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

> <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha

> analysis. The

> > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the graha

> owns a

> > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not considered

a

> > functional benefic.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > litsol wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Group/Elders,

> > >

> > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required -

> > >

> > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars

for

> > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad.

> > >

> > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg -

Jup

> for

> > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or *8'th

not

> > > considered bad.

> > >

> > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for

> Gemini

> > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad.

> > >

> > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also,

> mixed

> > > results we should derive.

> > >

> > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> >

>

December 17, 2007

Dear Lalit ji

Shubha in astrological terms usually means " Enhancing the positive

results of the good house it owns and supressing almost totally the

bad effects of bad house it owns "

As regards to insight, I am really not capable of that. Please ask

GURUs for it.

Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankar

Har Har Shankar

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

<litsol wrote:

>

> Prabodh ji,

>

> Namskaar and thanx, Shubha is ok, but group wishes to get more

subtle

> findings from u, like shubha in what respects and if less shubha

then

> in what respects.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Prabodh Vekhande "

> <amolmandar@> wrote:

> >

> > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste

> >

> > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be

> > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha since

> it

> > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th or

> trine

> > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be

> treated

> > as Shubha.

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

> > Jai Jai Shankar

> > Har Har Shankar

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha

> > analysis. The

> > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the

graha

> > owns a

> > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not

considered

> a

> > > functional benefic.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > litsol wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Group/Elders,

> > > >

> > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required -

> > > >

> > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars

> for

> > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad.

> > > >

> > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg -

> Jup

> > for

> > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or *8'th

> not

> > > > considered bad.

> > > >

> > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat

for

> > Gemini

> > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad.

> > > >

> > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also,

> > mixed

> > > > results we should derive.

> > > >

> > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 17, 2007

Dear Prabodh,

Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only when such

a graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not to be

considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha only by

being the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the shloka,

with its approximate translation (as much is lost in English

translation) for your ready reference.

ÉaGyVyaixpTyen

rNØezae n zuÉàd>,

bhägyavyädhipatyena

randhreço

na çubhapradaù |

s

@v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9.

sa

eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9||

Lord

of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th

house lord to 9th house. However if he is also Lord of lagna

and

occupies Lagna or 8th house he gives benefic results.

Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please let me know

which shloka you are referring to.

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

Chandrashekhar ji Namaste

As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be

considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha since it

is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th or trine

to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be treated

as Shubha.

Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankar

Har Har Shankar

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha

analysis. The

> results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the graha

owns a

> good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not considered

a

> functional benefic.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> litsol wrote:

> >

> > Dear Group/Elders,

> >

> > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required -

> >

> > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars

for

> > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad.

> >

> > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg - Jup

for

> > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or *8'th

not

> > considered bad.

> >

> > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat

for

Gemini

> > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad.

> >

> > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also,

mixed

> > results we should derive.

> >

> > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

>

December 18, 2007

8H is dustana - only good thing from it is longevity and efficiency of

work. Rest all are bad like debt, diseases, ill fame, occult studies,

disgrace etc.

8H Lord will give good results if he is in a sustana or if a benefic

is in the 8H.

8H Lord in 8H is an exception. It will give good results though in

dustana.

No house lord will do harm to his own house

regards

kiran

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Prabodh,

>

> Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only when

such a

> graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not to be

> considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha only by

being

> the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the shloka, with

its

> approximate translation (as much is lost in English translation) for

> your ready reference.

>

> ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>,

>

> bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù |

>

> s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9.

>

> sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9||

>

> _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord to 9^th

> house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna or 8^th

> house he gives benefic results._

>

> Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please let me know

> which shloka you are referring to.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> >

> > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste

> >

> > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be

> > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha since it

> > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th or trine

> > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be treated

> > as Shubha.

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

> > Jai Jai Shankar

> > Har Har Shankar

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha

> > analysis. The

> > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the graha

> > owns a

> > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not considered a

> > > functional benefic.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > litsol wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Group/Elders,

> > > >

> > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required -

> > > >

> > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars for

> > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad.

> > > >

> > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg - Jup

> > for

> > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or *8'th not

> > > > considered bad.

> > > >

> > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for

> > Gemini

> > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad.

> > > >

> > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also,

> > mixed

> > > > results we should derive.

> > > >

> > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 19, 2007

Chandrashekhar ji

First it says

" Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada "

Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to 9th

house.

then it goes on

" lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH "

But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become benefic.

It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za. Atleast

in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement. Which

one to read and follow?

Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankar

Har Har Shankar

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Prabodh,

>

> Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only when

such a

> graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not to be

> considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha only by

being

> the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the shloka,

with its

> approximate translation (as much is lost in English translation)

for

> your ready reference.

>

> ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>,

>

> bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù |

>

> s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9.

>

> sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9||

>

> _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord to 9^th

> house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna or

8^th

> house he gives benefic results._

>

> Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please let me

know

> which shloka you are referring to.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> >

> > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste

> >

> > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be

> > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha since

it

> > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th or

trine

> > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be

treated

> > as Shubha.

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

> > Jai Jai Shankar

> > Har Har Shankar

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha

> > analysis. The

> > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the graha

> > owns a

> > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not

considered a

> > > functional benefic.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > litsol wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Group/Elders,

> > > >

> > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required -

> > > >

> > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars

for

> > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad.

> > > >

> > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg - Jup

> > for

> > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or *8'th

not

> > > > considered bad.

> > > >

> > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for

> > Gemini

> > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad.

> > > >

> > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also,

> > mixed

> > > > results we should derive.

> > > >

> > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 19, 2007

Dear Prabodh Ji,

Let's check it with the help of couple of horoscopes. That will be a

great help to all of us from our Gurus like u.

regards,

Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Prabodh Vekhande "

<amolmandar wrote:

>

> Chandrashekhar ji

>

> First it says

>

> " Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada "

>

> Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to 9th

> house.

> then it goes on

>

> " lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH "

>

> But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become

benefic.

>

> It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za.

Atleast

> in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement.

Which

> one to read and follow?

>

> Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande

> Jai Jai Shankar

> Har Har Shankar

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

> <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prabodh,

> >

> > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only when

> such a

> > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not to

be

> > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha only

by

> being

> > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the shloka,

> with its

> > approximate translation (as much is lost in English translation)

> for

> > your ready reference.

> >

> > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>,

> >

> > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù |

> >

> > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9.

> >

> > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9||

> >

> > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord to

9^th

> > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna or

> 8^th

> > house he gives benefic results._

> >

> > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please let me

> know

> > which shloka you are referring to.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste

> > >

> > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be

> > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha

since

> it

> > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th or

> trine

> > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be

> treated

> > > as Shubha.

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > >

> > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > Har Har Shankar

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> Chandrashekhar

> > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >

> > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha

> > > analysis. The

> > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the

graha

> > > owns a

> > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not

> considered a

> > > > functional benefic.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Group/Elders,

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required -

> > > > >

> > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg -

Mars

> for

> > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad.

> > > > >

> > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg -

Jup

> > > for

> > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or *8'th

> not

> > > > > considered bad.

> > > > >

> > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat

for

> > > Gemini

> > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad.

> > > > >

> > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also,

> > > mixed

> > > > > results we should derive.

> > > > >

> > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 19, 2007

Dear Prabodh,

I am sure that you are aware that Laghu Parashari was always available

in manuscript form and also called Ududaya Pradeep. BPHS was either

compilation of shlokas from various pandits who remembered them or from

manuscripts that had different shloka amongst themselves. So it is

safer

to go with What is available in Laghu Parashari from whose shloka I

quoted. The same also appears in most of the other editions of BPHS and

does make sense. The reason is the following shloka:

xmRkmaRixnetaraE

rNØlaÉaixpaE yid,

dharmakarmädhinetärau

randhraläbhädhipau yadi |

tyae>

sMbNxmaÇe[ n yaeg< lÉte nr>.22.

tayoù

sambandhamätreëa na yogaà labhate naraù ||22||

If lord of the 9th

or 10th are also lords of 8th or 11th

these

associations do not give rise to (Raj) Yoga.

I am sure that even Deveshchandra Jha edition should have that shloka.

Here the malfeasance acquired by lord of the 9th due to simultaneously

owning the 8th or the 11th is made amply clear.

Chandrashekhar.

Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

Chandrashekhar ji

First it says

"Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada"

Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to 9th

house.

then it goes on

"lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH"

But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become benefic.

It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za. Atleast

in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement. Which

one to read and follow?

Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankar

Har Har Shankar

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Prabodh,

>

> Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only when

such a

> graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not to

be

> considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha only by

being

> the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the shloka,

with its

> approximate translation (as much is lost in English translation)

for

> your ready reference.

>

> ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>,

>

> bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù |

>

> s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9.

>

> sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9||

>

> _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord to

9^th

> house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna or

8^th

> house he gives benefic results._

>

> Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please let me

know

> which shloka you are referring to.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> >

> > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste

> >

> > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be

> > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha

since

it

> > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th

or

trine

> > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be

treated

> > as Shubha.

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

> > Jai Jai Shankar

> > Har Har Shankar

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for

dasha

> > analysis. The

> > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if

the graha

> > owns a

> > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not

considered a

> > > functional benefic.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > litsol wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Group/Elders,

> > > >

> > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required -

> > > >

> > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th ,

eg - Mars

for

> > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not

considered bad.

> > > >

> > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and*

8'th eg - Jup

> > for

> > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th

*or *8'th

not

> > > > considered bad.

> > > >

> > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th

eg - Sat for

> > Gemini

> > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad.

> > > >

> > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully

good also,

> > mixed

> > > > results we should derive.

> > > >

> > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 19, 2007

Dear Prabodh

when you said triconesh i| belive you are includinmg lagnesh also

thanks

kamal

-

Prabodh Vekhande

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:46 AM

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th House

Chandrashekhar ji First it says"Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada"Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to 9th house. then it goes on"lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH"But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become benefic.It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za. Atleast in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement. Which one to read and follow?Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.Prabodh VekhandeJai Jai ShankarHar Har ShankarVedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Prabodh,> > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only when such a > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not to be > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha only by being > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the shloka, with its > approximate translation (as much is lost in English translation) for > your ready reference.> > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>,> > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù |> > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9.> > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9||> > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord to 9^th > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna or 8^th > house he gives benefic results._> > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please let me know > which shloka you are referring to.> > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:> >> > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste> >> > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be> > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha since it> > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th or trine> > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be treated> > as Shubha.> >> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.> >> > Prabodh Vekhande> > Jai Jai Shankar> > Har Har Shankar> >> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > >> > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha> > analysis. The> > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the graha> > owns a> > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not considered a> > > functional benefic.> > >> > > Chandrashekhar.> > >> > > litsol wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Group/Elders,> > > >> > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required -> > > >> > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg - Mars for> > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad.> > > >> > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg - Jup> > for> > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or *8'th not> > > > considered bad.> > > >> > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg - Sat for> > Gemini> > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad.> > > >> > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good also,> > mixed> > > > results we should derive.> > > >> > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >>

December 19, 2007

Dear Kamal,

I always wanted to give emphasis on why trikonesh placed in kendra or

kendresh placed in trikona gives good results, why it forms a yoga.

regards,

Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Vedic Learner "

<sightsolutions wrote:

>

> Dear Prabodh

> when you said triconesh i| belive you are includinmg lagnesh also

>

> thanks

>

> kamal

> -

> Prabodh Vekhande

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:46 AM

> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th House

>

> Chandrashekhar ji

>

> First it says

>

> " Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada "

>

> Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to 9th

> house.

> then it goes on

>

> " lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH "

>

> But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become

benefic.

>

> It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za.

Atleast

> in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement.

Which

> one to read and follow?

>

> Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande

> Jai Jai Shankar

> Har Har Shankar

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

> <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prabodh,

> >

> > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only

when

> such a

> > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not

to be

> > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha only

by

> being

> > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the shloka,

> with its

> > approximate translation (as much is lost in English

translation)

> for

> > your ready reference.

> >

> > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>,

> >

> > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù |

> >

> > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9.

> >

> > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9||

> >

> > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord to

9^th

> > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna

or

> 8^th

> > house he gives benefic results._

> >

> > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please let

me

> know

> > which shloka you are referring to.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste

> > >

> > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be

> > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha

since

> it

> > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th

or

> trine

> > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be

> treated

> > > as Shubha.

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > >

> > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > Har Har Shankar

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> Chandrashekhar

> > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >

> > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha

> > > analysis. The

> > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the

graha

> > > owns a

> > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not

> considered a

> > > > functional benefic.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Group/Elders,

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required -

> > > > >

> > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg -

Mars

> for

> > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad.

> > > > >

> > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg -

Jup

> > > for

> > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or

*8'th

> not

> > > > > considered bad.

> > > > >

> > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg -

Sat for

> > > Gemini

> > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad.

> > > > >

> > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good

also,

> > > mixed

> > > > > results we should derive.

> > > > >

> > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 20, 2007

Dear Kamal Namaste

Actually it should be Lagnesh and Trikonesh.

Shloka explicitly mentions about Lagnesh and Trikonesh by the first

word " lagnatrikonapavashat " .

Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankar

Har Har Shankar

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Vedic Learner "

<sightsolutions wrote:

>

> Dear Prabodh

> when you said triconesh i| belive you are includinmg lagnesh also

>

> thanks

>

> kamal

> -

> Prabodh Vekhande

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:46 AM

> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Exceptions to 8'th House

>

> Chandrashekhar ji

>

> First it says

>

> " Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada "

>

> Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to 9th

> house.

> then it goes on

>

> " lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH "

>

> But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become

benefic.

>

> It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za.

Atleast

> in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement.

Which

> one to read and follow?

>

> Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande

> Jai Jai Shankar

> Har Har Shankar

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

> <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prabodh,

> >

> > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only

when

> such a

> > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not

to be

> > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha only

by

> being

> > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the shloka,

> with its

> > approximate translation (as much is lost in English

translation)

> for

> > your ready reference.

> >

> > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>,

> >

> > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù |

> >

> > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9.

> >

> > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9||

> >

> > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord to

9^th

> > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna

or

> 8^th

> > house he gives benefic results._

> >

> > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please let

me

> know

> > which shloka you are referring to.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste

> > >

> > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be

> > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha

since

> it

> > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th

or

> trine

> > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be

> treated

> > > as Shubha.

> > >

> > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > >

> > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > Har Har Shankar

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> Chandrashekhar

> > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >

> > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha

> > > analysis. The

> > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the

graha

> > > owns a

> > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not

> considered a

> > > > functional benefic.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Group/Elders,

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required -

> > > > >

> > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg -

Mars

> for

> > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad.

> > > > >

> > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg -

Jup

> > > for

> > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or

*8'th

> not

> > > > > considered bad.

> > > > >

> > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg -

Sat for

> > > Gemini

> > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad.

> > > > >

> > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good

also,

> > > mixed

> > > > > results we should derive.

> > > > >

> > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 20, 2007

Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste

Should we not take general and specific rule into consideration? Like

being RajYogakaraka is specific to being Shubha. I mean only Shubha

(FB)can be qualified as Rajyogakarak(Lord of 9th and 10th and their

Sambandha). Secondly,these Shubha grahas should be without blemish.

Blemish can be there(to be qualified not as RY) because of graha

holding 3,6,8,11 as well. That is why for Mithuna Shani is Shubha(FB)

but being 8th lord as well when gets associated with 10th lord Guru

does not lead to RY.

So I see it as

Mesha

9th lord Guru is Shubha and is 12th lord so qualifies as RYK

10th lord Shani is lord of 11th as well hence can not give RYK even

if involved with 9th lord Guru.

Vrishabha

Shani RYK as 9th and 10th lord

Mithuna

Shani is Shubha but being 8th lord can not lead to RYK even if

invloved with 10th lord Guru.

Karka

Guru is Benefic but RYK is only Mangal. Guru is 6th lord as well so

not RYK status.

Simha

9th lord Mangal is RYK but 10th lord Shukra is as well 3rd lord so

its association with Mangal does not lead to RY.

Kanya

9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 2nd hence RYK along with 10th lord

Budha.

Tula

9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 12th hence RYK along with 10th

lord Chandra .

Vrichika

Surya-Chandra RYK

Dhanu

Surya Budha RYK

Makara

9th lord Budha is benefic but being 6th lord does not lead to RYK

Kumbha

Shukar only RYK as 10th lord Mangal is 3rd lord as well

Meena

9th lord is benefic and since takes 2nd lordship leads to RYK along

with 10th lord Guru.

So what I understand by Parashara is that

1)

Trikonesh(9th and 5th Lord) are alwyas Benefic but 9th lord may not

lead to Rajyoga if owns (3,6,8,11).

2)

When Lagnesh is NB and 6th lord(Shukra for Vrishabha),it is Ashubha

and when it is NM and 6th lord(Mangal for Vrishcika),it is Sama-Shubha

When Lagnesh is NB and 8th lord(Shukra for Tula),it is Sama-Shubha

and when it is NM and 8th lord( Mangal for Mesha), it is Shubha.

As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their undisputed

credibility I have nothing much to say but what about those portions

of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu Parashari? Should

we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility?

Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankar

Har Har Shankar

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Prabodh,

>

> I am sure that you are aware that Laghu Parashari was always

available

> in manuscript form and also called Ududaya Pradeep. BPHS was

either

> compilation of shlokas from various pandits who remembered them or

from

> manuscripts that had different shloka amongst themselves. So it is

safer

> to go with What is available in Laghu Parashari from whose shloka I

> quoted. The same also appears in most of the other editions of BPHS

and

> does make sense. The reason is the following shloka:

>

> xmRkmaRixnetaraE rNØlaÉaixpaE yid,

>

> dharmakarmädhinetärau randhraläbhädhipau yadi |

>

> tyae> sMbNxmaÇe[ n yaeg< lÉte nr>.22.

>

> tayoù sambandhamätreëa na yogaà labhate naraù ||22||

>

> _ _

>

> _If lord of the 9^th or 10^th are also lords of 8^th or 11^th these

> associations do not give rise to (Raj) Yoga._

>

> I am sure that even Deveshchandra Jha edition should have that

shloka.

> Here the malfeasance acquired by lord of the 9th due to

simultaneously

> owning the 8th or the 11th is made amply clear.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> >

> > Chandrashekhar ji

> >

> > First it says

> >

> > " Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada "

> >

> > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to 9th

> > house.

> > then it goes on

> >

> > " lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH "

> >

> > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become

benefic.

> >

> > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za.

Atleast

> > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement.

Which

> > one to read and follow?

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

> > Jai Jai Shankar

> > Har Har Shankar

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prabodh,

> > >

> > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only

when

> > such a

> > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is not

to be

> > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha only

by

> > being

> > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the shloka,

> > with its

> > > approximate translation (as much is lost in English translation)

> > for

> > > your ready reference.

> > >

> > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>,

> > >

> > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù |

> > >

> > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9.

> > >

> > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9||

> > >

> > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord to

9^th

> > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies Lagna or

> > 8^th

> > > house he gives benefic results._

> > >

> > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please let

me

> > know

> > > which shloka you are referring to.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste

> > > >

> > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord should be

> > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is ashubha

since

> > it

> > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of 9th

or

> > trine

> > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence should be

> > treated

> > > > as Shubha.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > > >

> > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for dasha

> > > > analysis. The

> > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if the

graha

> > > > owns a

> > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not

> > considered a

> > > > > functional benefic.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Group/Elders,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th , eg -

Mars

> > for

> > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered bad.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th eg -

Jup

> > > > for

> > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or

*8'th

> > not

> > > > > > considered bad.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg -

Sat for

> > > > Gemini

> > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good

also,

> > > > mixed

> > > > > > results we should derive.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 21, 2007

Dear Prabodh,

Can you make it clear as to what you meant by Benefic in the original

post, if not functional benefic? So why the distinction between

Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being so at this

stage? I do not find any such distinction in the shlokas of BPHS. Do

you? If I remember right, Parashara says that for Mithuna lagna only

Shukra is shubha.

Chandrashekhar.

Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste

Should we not take general and specific rule into consideration? Like

being RajYogakaraka is specific to being Shubha. I mean only Shubha

(FB)can be qualified as Rajyogakarak(Lord of 9th and 10th and

their

Sambandha). Secondly,these Shubha grahas should be without blemish.

Blemish can be there(to be qualified not as RY) because of graha

holding 3,6,8,11 as well. That is why for Mithuna Shani is Shubha(FB)

but being 8th lord as well when gets associated with 10th lord Guru

does not lead to RY.

So I see it as

Mesha

9th lord Guru is Shubha and is 12th lord so qualifies as RYK

10th lord Shani is lord of 11th as well hence can not give RYK even

if involved with 9th lord Guru.

Vrishabha

Shani RYK as 9th and 10th lord

Mithuna

Shani is Shubha but being 8th lord can not lead to RYK even if

invloved with 10th lord Guru.

Karka

Guru is Benefic but RYK is only Mangal. Guru is 6th lord as well so

not RYK status.

Simha

9th lord Mangal is RYK but 10th lord Shukra is as well 3rd lord so

its association with Mangal does not lead to RY.

Kanya

9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 2nd hence RYK along with 10th lord

Budha.

Tula

9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 12th hence RYK along with 10th

lord Chandra .

Vrichika

Surya-Chandra RYK

Dhanu

Surya Budha RYK

Makara

9th lord Budha is benefic but being 6th lord does not lead to RYK

Kumbha

Shukar only RYK as 10th lord Mangal is 3rd lord as well

Meena

9th lord is benefic and since takes 2nd lordship leads to RYK along

with 10th lord Guru.

So what I understand by Parashara is that

1)

Trikonesh(9th and 5th Lord) are alwyas Benefic but 9th lord may not

lead to Rajyoga if owns (3,6,8,11).

2)

When Lagnesh is NB and 6th lord(Shukra for Vrishabha),it is Ashubha

and when it is NM and 6th lord(Mangal for Vrishcika),it is Sama-Shubha

When Lagnesh is NB and 8th lord(Shukra for Tula),it is Sama-Shubha

and when it is NM and 8th lord( Mangal for Mesha), it is Shubha.

As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their undisputed

credibility I have nothing much to say but what about those portions

of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu Parashari? Should

we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility?

Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankar

Har Har Shankar

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Prabodh,

>

> I am sure that you are aware that Laghu Parashari was always

available

> in manuscript form and also called Ududaya Pradeep. BPHS was

either

> compilation of shlokas from various pandits who remembered them or

from

> manuscripts that had different shloka amongst themselves. So it is

safer

> to go with What is available in Laghu Parashari from whose shloka

I

> quoted. The same also appears in most of the other editions of

BPHS

and

> does make sense. The reason is the following shloka:

>

> xmRkmaRixnetaraE rNØlaÉaixpaE yid,

>

> dharmakarmädhinetärau randhraläbhädhipau yadi |

>

> tyae> sMbNxmaÇe[ n yaeg< lÉte nr>.22.

>

> tayoù sambandhamätreëa na yogaà labhate naraù ||22||

>

> _ _

>

> _If lord of the 9^th or 10^th are also lords of 8^th or 11^th

these

> associations do not give rise to (Raj) Yoga._

>

> I am sure that even Deveshchandra Jha edition should have that

shloka.

> Here the malfeasance acquired by lord of the 9th due to

simultaneously

> owning the 8th or the 11th is made amply clear.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> >

> > Chandrashekhar ji

> >

> > First it says

> >

> > "Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada"

> >

> > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to

9th

> > house.

> > then it goes on

> >

> > "lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH"

> >

> > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become

benefic.

> >

> > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za.

Atleast

> > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord

placement.

Which

> > one to read and follow?

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

> > Jai Jai Shankar

> > Har Har Shankar

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prabodh,

> > >

> > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that

only

when

> > such a

> > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it

is not

to be

> > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being

shubha only

by

> > being

> > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the

shloka,

> > with its

> > > approximate translation (as much is lost in English

translation)

> > for

> > > your ready reference.

> > >

> > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>,

> > >

> > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù |

> > >

> > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9.

> > >

> > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9||

> > >

> > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house

lord to

9^th

> > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies

Lagna or

> > 8^th

> > > house he gives benefic results._

> > >

> > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka,

please let

me

> > know

> > > which shloka you are referring to.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste

> > > >

> > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord

should be

> > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is

ashubha

since

> > it

> > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is

colord of 9th

or

> > trine

> > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence

should be

> > treated

> > > > as Shubha.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > > >

> > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > They are yet not treated as functional

benefics, for dasha

> > > > analysis. The

> > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce.

generally if the

graha

> > > > owns a

> > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th

it is not

> > considered a

> > > > > functional benefic.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Group/Elders,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if

required -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st

and 8'th , eg -

Mars

> > for

> > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not

considered bad.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th

*and* 8'th eg -

Jup

> > > > for

> > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed

in 5'th *or

*8'th

> > not

> > > > > > considered bad.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th

and 9'th eg -

Sat for

> > > > Gemini

> > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not

be fully good

also,

> > > > mixed

> > > > > > results we should derive.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other

houeses also.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 24, 2007

Chandrashekhar ji Namaste

>So why the distinction between

> Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being so at this

> stage?

There is no distinction from my side. Trikonesh(5th/9th) is FB(Shubha)

but every FB(Shubha) is not YK. 9th lord along with 10th lord can

lead to YK. To avoid repetition BPHS has indicated many things by

necessary connotation though not expressed directly. That is the

reason,why BPHS has not said anything about Shubha or Ashubha of

shani for Budha's lagna.

Like, since before describing specific lagna, it has discussed in

general Shubhashubha of Bhava-Bhavesh. In that it clearly says

that " TrikoneshaH ShubhaH SmrutaH " . Keeping this in mind if

intreprete shlokas of specific lagna we may get correct results.

> > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their undisputed

> > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about those

portions

> > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu Parashari?

Should

> > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility?

Since you ignored this question what should we follow? Laghu

Parashari or Guru Parahari?

Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankar

Har Har Shankar

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Prabodh,

>

> Can you make it clear as to what you meant by Benefic in the

original

> post, if not functional benefic? So why the distinction between

> Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being so at this

> stage? I do not find any such distinction in the shlokas of BPHS.

Do

> you? If I remember right, Parashara says that for Mithuna lagna

only

> Shukra is shubha.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> >

> > Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste

> >

> > Should we not take general and specific rule into consideration?

Like

> > being RajYogakaraka is specific to being Shubha. I mean only

Shubha

> > (FB)can be qualified as Rajyogakarak(Lord of 9th and 10th and

their

> > Sambandha). Secondly,these Shubha grahas should be without

blemish.

> > Blemish can be there(to be qualified not as RY) because of graha

> > holding 3,6,8,11 as well. That is why for Mithuna Shani is Shubha

(FB)

> > but being 8th lord as well when gets associated with 10th lord

Guru

> > does not lead to RY.

> >

> > So I see it as

> >

> > Mesha

> >

> > 9th lord Guru is Shubha and is 12th lord so qualifies as RYK

> > 10th lord Shani is lord of 11th as well hence can not give RYK

even

> > if involved with 9th lord Guru.

> >

> > Vrishabha

> > Shani RYK as 9th and 10th lord

> > Mithuna

> > Shani is Shubha but being 8th lord can not lead to RYK even if

> > invloved with 10th lord Guru.

> > Karka

> > Guru is Benefic but RYK is only Mangal. Guru is 6th lord as well

so

> > not RYK status.

> > Simha

> > 9th lord Mangal is RYK but 10th lord Shukra is as well 3rd lord so

> > its association with Mangal does not lead to RY.

> > Kanya

> > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 2nd hence RYK along with 10th

lord

> > Budha.

> > Tula

> > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 12th hence RYK along with 10th

> > lord Chandra .

> > Vrichika

> > Surya-Chandra RYK

> > Dhanu

> > Surya Budha RYK

> > Makara

> > 9th lord Budha is benefic but being 6th lord does not lead to RYK

> > Kumbha

> > Shukar only RYK as 10th lord Mangal is 3rd lord as well

> > Meena

> > 9th lord is benefic and since takes 2nd lordship leads to RYK

along

> > with 10th lord Guru.

> >

> > So what I understand by Parashara is that

> >

> > 1)

> > Trikonesh(9th and 5th Lord) are alwyas Benefic but 9th lord may

not

> > lead to Rajyoga if owns (3,6,8,11).

> > 2)

> > When Lagnesh is NB and 6th lord(Shukra for Vrishabha),it is

Ashubha

> > and when it is NM and 6th lord(Mangal for Vrishcika),it is Sama-

Shubha

> >

> > When Lagnesh is NB and 8th lord(Shukra for Tula),it is Sama-Shubha

> > and when it is NM and 8th lord( Mangal for Mesha), it is Shubha.

> >

> > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their undisputed

> > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about those

portions

> > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu Parashari?

Should

> > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility?

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

> > Jai Jai Shankar

> > Har Har Shankar

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prabodh,

> > >

> > > I am sure that you are aware that Laghu Parashari was always

> > available

> > > in manuscript form and also called Ududaya Pradeep. BPHS was

> > either

> > > compilation of shlokas from various pandits who remembered them

or

> > from

> > > manuscripts that had different shloka amongst themselves. So it

is

> > safer

> > > to go with What is available in Laghu Parashari from whose

shloka I

> > > quoted. The same also appears in most of the other editions of

BPHS

> > and

> > > does make sense. The reason is the following shloka:

> > >

> > > xmRkmaRixnetaraE rNØlaÉaixpaE yid,

> > >

> > > dharmakarmädhinetärau randhraläbhädhipau yadi |

> > >

> > > tyae> sMbNxmaÇe[ n yaeg< lÉte nr>.22.

> > >

> > > tayoù sambandhamätreëa na yogaà labhate naraù ||22||

> > >

> > > _ _

> > >

> > > _If lord of the 9^th or 10^th are also lords of 8^th or 11^th

these

> > > associations do not give rise to (Raj) Yoga._

> > >

> > > I am sure that even Deveshchandra Jha edition should have that

> > shloka.

> > > Here the malfeasance acquired by lord of the 9th due to

> > simultaneously

> > > owning the 8th or the 11th is made amply clear.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar ji

> > > >

> > > > First it says

> > > >

> > > > " Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada "

> > > >

> > > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord to

9th

> > > > house.

> > > > then it goes on

> > > >

> > > > " lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH "

> > > >

> > > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will become

> > benefic.

> > > >

> > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra Za.

> > Atleast

> > > > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord placement.

> > Which

> > > > one to read and follow?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > > >

> > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Prabodh,

> > > > >

> > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that only

> > when

> > > > such a

> > > > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it is

not

> > to be

> > > > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being shubha

only

> > by

> > > > being

> > > > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the

shloka,

> > > > with its

> > > > > approximate translation (as much is lost in English

translation)

> > > > for

> > > > > your ready reference.

> > > > >

> > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>,

> > > > >

> > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù |

> > > > >

> > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9.

> > > > >

> > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9||

> > > > >

> > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house lord

to

> > 9^th

> > > > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies

Lagna or

> > > > 8^th

> > > > > house he gives benefic results._

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka, please

let

> > me

> > > > know

> > > > > which shloka you are referring to.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord

should be

> > > > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is

ashubha

> > since

> > > > it

> > > > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord of

9th

> > or

> > > > trine

> > > > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence

should be

> > > > treated

> > > > > > as Shubha.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for

dasha

> > > > > > analysis. The

> > > > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally if

the

> > graha

> > > > > > owns a

> > > > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is not

> > > > considered a

> > > > > > > functional benefic.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and 8'th ,

eg -

> > Mars

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not considered

bad.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and* 8'th

eg -

> > Jup

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th *or

> > *8'th

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > considered bad.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th eg -

> > Sat for

> > > > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully good

> > also,

> > > > > > mixed

> > > > > > > > results we should derive.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses also.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 25, 2007

Dear Prabodh,

I am really confused as to what you mean by FB and what is shubha,

according to you. May be at my age the cryptic use of initials is too

much to grasp. But did you not say "I mean only Shubha (FB)can be

qualified as Rajyogakarak" ? and then that the shubhas should be

without blemish. Read together it does mean that a shubha is not so

(what you designate as FB) if blemished. But then my comprehension

could be wrong.

Chandrashekhar.

Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

Chandrashekhar ji Namaste

>So why the distinction between

> Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being so at

this

> stage?

There is no distinction from my side. Trikonesh(5th/9th) is

FB(Shubha)

but every FB(Shubha) is not YK. 9th lord along with 10th lord can

lead to YK. To avoid repetition BPHS has indicated many things by

necessary connotation though not expressed directly. That is the

reason,why BPHS has not said anything about Shubha or Ashubha of

shani for Budha's lagna.

Like, since before describing specific lagna, it has discussed in

general Shubhashubha of Bhava-Bhavesh. In that it clearly says

that "TrikoneshaH ShubhaH SmrutaH". Keeping this in mind if

intreprete shlokas of specific lagna we may get correct results.

> > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their undisputed

> > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about those

portions

> > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu Parashari?

Should

> > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility?

Since you ignored this question what should we follow? Laghu

Parashari or Guru Parahari?

Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankar

Har Har Shankar

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Prabodh,

>

> Can you make it clear as to what you meant by Benefic in the

original

> post, if not functional benefic? So why the distinction between

> Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being so at

this

> stage? I do not find any such distinction in the shlokas of BPHS.

Do

> you? If I remember right, Parashara says that for Mithuna lagna

only

> Shukra is shubha.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> >

> > Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste

> >

> > Should we not take general and specific rule into

consideration?

Like

> > being RajYogakaraka is specific to being Shubha. I mean only

Shubha

> > (FB)can be qualified as Rajyogakarak(Lord of 9th and

10th and

their

> > Sambandha). Secondly,these Shubha grahas should be without

blemish.

> > Blemish can be there(to be qualified not as RY) because of

graha

> > holding 3,6,8,11 as well. That is why for Mithuna Shani is

Shubha

(FB)

> > but being 8th lord as well when gets associated with 10th

lord

Guru

> > does not lead to RY.

> >

> > So I see it as

> >

> > Mesha

> >

> > 9th lord Guru is Shubha and is 12th lord so qualifies as RYK

> > 10th lord Shani is lord of 11th as well hence can not give

RYK

even

> > if involved with 9th lord Guru.

> >

> > Vrishabha

> > Shani RYK as 9th and 10th lord

> > Mithuna

> > Shani is Shubha but being 8th lord can not lead to RYK even if

> > invloved with 10th lord Guru.

> > Karka

> > Guru is Benefic but RYK is only Mangal. Guru is 6th lord as

well

so

> > not RYK status.

> > Simha

> > 9th lord Mangal is RYK but 10th lord Shukra is as well 3rd

lord so

> > its association with Mangal does not lead to RY.

> > Kanya

> > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 2nd hence RYK along with

10th

lord

> > Budha.

> > Tula

> > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 12th hence RYK along with

10th

> > lord Chandra .

> > Vrichika

> > Surya-Chandra RYK

> > Dhanu

> > Surya Budha RYK

> > Makara

> > 9th lord Budha is benefic but being 6th lord does not lead to

RYK

> > Kumbha

> > Shukar only RYK as 10th lord Mangal is 3rd lord as well

> > Meena

> > 9th lord is benefic and since takes 2nd lordship leads to RYK

along

> > with 10th lord Guru.

> >

> > So what I understand by Parashara is that

> >

> > 1)

> > Trikonesh(9th and 5th Lord) are alwyas Benefic but 9th lord

may

not

> > lead to Rajyoga if owns (3,6,8,11).

> > 2)

> > When Lagnesh is NB and 6th lord(Shukra for Vrishabha),it is

Ashubha

> > and when it is NM and 6th lord(Mangal for Vrishcika),it is

Sama-

Shubha

> >

> > When Lagnesh is NB and 8th lord(Shukra for Tula),it is

Sama-Shubha

> > and when it is NM and 8th lord( Mangal for Mesha), it is

Shubha.

> >

> > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their undisputed

> > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about those

portions

> > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu Parashari?

Should

> > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility?

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

> > Jai Jai Shankar

> > Har Har Shankar

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prabodh,

> > >

> > > I am sure that you are aware that Laghu Parashari was

always

> > available

> > > in manuscript form and also called Ududaya Pradeep. BPHS

was

> > either

> > > compilation of shlokas from various pandits who

remembered them

or

> > from

> > > manuscripts that had different shloka amongst

themselves. So it

is

> > safer

> > > to go with What is available in Laghu Parashari from

whose

shloka I

> > > quoted. The same also appears in most of the other

editions of

BPHS

> > and

> > > does make sense. The reason is the following shloka:

> > >

> > > xmRkmaRixnetaraE rNØlaÉaixpaE yid,

> > >

> > > dharmakarmädhinetärau randhraläbhädhipau yadi |

> > >

> > > tyae> sMbNxmaÇe[ n yaeg< lÉte nr>.22.

> > >

> > > tayoù sambandhamätreëa na yogaà labhate naraù ||22||

> > >

> > > _ _

> > >

> > > _If lord of the 9^th or 10^th are also lords of 8^th or

11^th

these

> > > associations do not give rise to (Raj) Yoga._

> > >

> > > I am sure that even Deveshchandra Jha edition should

have that

> > shloka.

> > > Here the malfeasance acquired by lord of the 9th due to

> > simultaneously

> > > owning the 8th or the 11th is made amply clear.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar ji

> > > >

> > > > First it says

> > > >

> > > > "Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada"

> > > >

> > > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house

lord to

9th

> > > > house.

> > > > then it goes on

> > > >

> > > > "lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH"

> > > >

> > > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it

will become

> > benefic.

> > > >

> > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by

Devashandra Za.

> > Atleast

> > > > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord

placement.

> > Which

> > > > one to read and follow?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > > >

> > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Prabodh,

> > > > >

> > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He

says that only

> > when

> > > > such a

> > > > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or

the 8th it is

not

> > to be

> > > > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its

being shubha

only

> > by

> > > > being

> > > > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am

pasting the

shloka,

> > > > with its

> > > > > approximate translation (as much is lost in

English

translation)

> > > > for

> > > > > your ready reference.

> > > > >

> > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>,

> > > > >

> > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù |

> > > > >

> > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9.

> > > > >

> > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam

||9||

> > > > >

> > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being

12^th house lord

to

> > 9^th

> > > > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and

occupies

Lagna or

> > > > 8^th

> > > > > house he gives benefic results._

> > > > >

> > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other

shloka, please

let

> > me

> > > > know

> > > > > which shloka you are referring to.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be

trine lord

should be

> > > > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara,

8th house is

ashubha

> > since

> > > > it

> > > > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th

lord is colord of

9th

> > or

> > > > trine

> > > > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya

and hence

should be

> > > > treated

> > > > > > as Shubha.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > They are yet not treated as

functional benefics, for

dasha

> > > > > > analysis. The

> > > > > > > results are mixed as you rightly

deduce. generally if

the

> > graha

> > > > > > owns a

> > > > > > > good house and another is the 6th or

the 8th it is not

> > > > considered a

> > > > > > > functional benefic.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following

, if required -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is

lord of 1st and 8'th ,

eg -

> > Mars

> > > > for

> > > > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra

Asc, is not considered

bad.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is

lord of 5'th *and* 8'th

eg -

> > Jup

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc

and placed in 5'th *or

> > *8'th

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > considered bad.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is

lord of 8'th and 9'th eg -

> > Sat for

> > > > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not

bad.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but

should not be fully good

> > also,

> > > > > > mixed

> > > > > > > > results we should derive.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to

other houeses also.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 26, 2007

Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste

I am really sorry for my quality of english. I will try again. I did

say that only Shubha(FB) can be RYK. That is if a graha has to lead

to Rajyoga, it must satisfy some conditions.

1) It must be Shubha or Functional Benefic.

1.1) Shubha or FB means lord of 5th and 9th.

2) only 9th lord can lead to Rajyoga

3) This 9th lord( which is always Shubha or FB) must have some

sambandha with 10th lord.

4) This 9th lord should not be with blemish. Blemish is for behaving

as Rajyogakarak and blemish does not mean loss of Shubhatva.

4.1) Blemish to 9th lord can be because of lordship of 3,6,8,11

simultaneously.

4.2) Blemish to 9th lord can be because of it 'Sambandha' with 10th

lord that has blemish.

>Read together it does mean that a shubha is not so (what you

> designate as FB) if blemished.

No. Slight correction. Read together it means that Shubha is not

Rajyogakaraka, if blemished.

I hope this time I made no mistake in my english!

Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankar

Har Har Shankar

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Prabodh,

>

> I am really confused as to what you mean by FB and what is shubha,

> according to you. May be at my age the cryptic use of initials is

too

> much to grasp. But did you not say " I mean only Shubha (FB)can be

> qualified as Rajyogakarak " ? and then that the shubhas should be

without

> blemish. Read together it does mean that a shubha is not so (what

you

> designate as FB) if blemished. But then my comprehension could be

wrong.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> >

> > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste

> >

> > >So why the distinction between

> > > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being so at

this

> > > stage?

> >

> > There is no distinction from my side. Trikonesh(5th/9th) is FB

(Shubha)

> > but every FB(Shubha) is not YK. 9th lord along with 10th lord can

> > lead to YK. To avoid repetition BPHS has indicated many things by

> > necessary connotation though not expressed directly. That is the

> > reason,why BPHS has not said anything about Shubha or Ashubha of

> > shani for Budha's lagna.

> > Like, since before describing specific lagna, it has discussed in

> > general Shubhashubha of Bhava-Bhavesh. In that it clearly says

> > that " TrikoneshaH ShubhaH SmrutaH " . Keeping this in mind if

> > intreprete shlokas of specific lagna we may get correct results.

> >

> > > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their undisputed

> > > > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about those

> > portions

> > > > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu Parashari?

> > Should

> > > > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility?

> >

> > Since you ignored this question what should we follow? Laghu

> > Parashari or Guru Parahari?

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

> > Jai Jai Shankar

> > Har Har Shankar

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prabodh,

> > >

> > > Can you make it clear as to what you meant by Benefic in the

> > original

> > > post, if not functional benefic? So why the distinction between

> > > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being so at

this

> > > stage? I do not find any such distinction in the shlokas of

BPHS.

> > Do

> > > you? If I remember right, Parashara says that for Mithuna lagna

> > only

> > > Shukra is shubha.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste

> > > >

> > > > Should we not take general and specific rule into

consideration?

> > Like

> > > > being RajYogakaraka is specific to being Shubha. I mean only

> > Shubha

> > > > (FB)can be qualified as Rajyogakarak(Lord of 9th and 10th and

> > their

> > > > Sambandha). Secondly,these Shubha grahas should be without

> > blemish.

> > > > Blemish can be there(to be qualified not as RY) because of

graha

> > > > holding 3,6,8,11 as well. That is why for Mithuna Shani is

Shubha

> > (FB)

> > > > but being 8th lord as well when gets associated with 10th lord

> > Guru

> > > > does not lead to RY.

> > > >

> > > > So I see it as

> > > >

> > > > Mesha

> > > >

> > > > 9th lord Guru is Shubha and is 12th lord so qualifies as RYK

> > > > 10th lord Shani is lord of 11th as well hence can not give RYK

> > even

> > > > if involved with 9th lord Guru.

> > > >

> > > > Vrishabha

> > > > Shani RYK as 9th and 10th lord

> > > > Mithuna

> > > > Shani is Shubha but being 8th lord can not lead to RYK even if

> > > > invloved with 10th lord Guru.

> > > > Karka

> > > > Guru is Benefic but RYK is only Mangal. Guru is 6th lord as

well

> > so

> > > > not RYK status.

> > > > Simha

> > > > 9th lord Mangal is RYK but 10th lord Shukra is as well 3rd

lord so

> > > > its association with Mangal does not lead to RY.

> > > > Kanya

> > > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 2nd hence RYK along with

10th

> > lord

> > > > Budha.

> > > > Tula

> > > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 12th hence RYK along with

10th

> > > > lord Chandra .

> > > > Vrichika

> > > > Surya-Chandra RYK

> > > > Dhanu

> > > > Surya Budha RYK

> > > > Makara

> > > > 9th lord Budha is benefic but being 6th lord does not lead to

RYK

> > > > Kumbha

> > > > Shukar only RYK as 10th lord Mangal is 3rd lord as well

> > > > Meena

> > > > 9th lord is benefic and since takes 2nd lordship leads to RYK

> > along

> > > > with 10th lord Guru.

> > > >

> > > > So what I understand by Parashara is that

> > > >

> > > > 1)

> > > > Trikonesh(9th and 5th Lord) are alwyas Benefic but 9th lord

may

> > not

> > > > lead to Rajyoga if owns (3,6,8,11).

> > > > 2)

> > > > When Lagnesh is NB and 6th lord(Shukra for Vrishabha),it is

> > Ashubha

> > > > and when it is NM and 6th lord(Mangal for Vrishcika),it is

Sama-

> > Shubha

> > > >

> > > > When Lagnesh is NB and 8th lord(Shukra for Tula),it is Sama-

Shubha

> > > > and when it is NM and 8th lord( Mangal for Mesha), it is

Shubha.

> > > >

> > > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their undisputed

> > > > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about those

> > portions

> > > > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu Parashari?

> > Should

> > > > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > > >

> > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Prabodh,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sure that you are aware that Laghu Parashari was always

> > > > available

> > > > > in manuscript form and also called Ududaya Pradeep. BPHS was

> > > > either

> > > > > compilation of shlokas from various pandits who remembered

them

> > or

> > > > from

> > > > > manuscripts that had different shloka amongst themselves.

So it

> > is

> > > > safer

> > > > > to go with What is available in Laghu Parashari from whose

> > shloka I

> > > > > quoted. The same also appears in most of the other editions

of

> > BPHS

> > > > and

> > > > > does make sense. The reason is the following shloka:

> > > > >

> > > > > xmRkmaRixnetaraE rNØlaÉaixpaE yid,

> > > > >

> > > > > dharmakarmädhinetärau randhraläbhädhipau yadi |

> > > > >

> > > > > tyae> sMbNxmaÇe[ n yaeg< lÉte nr>.22.

> > > > >

> > > > > tayoù sambandhamätreëa na yogaà labhate naraù ||22||

> > > > >

> > > > > _ _

> > > > >

> > > > > _If lord of the 9^th or 10^th are also lords of 8^th or

11^th

> > these

> > > > > associations do not give rise to (Raj) Yoga._

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sure that even Deveshchandra Jha edition should have

that

> > > > shloka.

> > > > > Here the malfeasance acquired by lord of the 9th due to

> > > > simultaneously

> > > > > owning the 8th or the 11th is made amply clear.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > First it says

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house lord

to

> > 9th

> > > > > > house.

> > > > > > then it goes on

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will

become

> > > > benefic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by Devashandra

Za.

> > > > Atleast

> > > > > > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord

placement.

> > > > Which

> > > > > > one to read and follow?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Prabodh,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says that

only

> > > > when

> > > > > > such a

> > > > > > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th it

is

> > not

> > > > to be

> > > > > > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being

shubha

> > only

> > > > by

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting the

> > shloka,

> > > > > > with its

> > > > > > > approximate translation (as much is lost in English

> > translation)

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > your ready reference.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù |

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th house

lord

> > to

> > > > 9^th

> > > > > > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and occupies

> > Lagna or

> > > > > > 8^th

> > > > > > > house he gives benefic results._

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka,

please

> > let

> > > > me

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > which shloka you are referring to.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine lord

> > should be

> > > > > > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house is

> > ashubha

> > > > since

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is colord

of

> > 9th

> > > > or

> > > > > > trine

> > > > > > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and hence

> > should be

> > > > > > treated

> > > > > > > > as Shubha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional benefics, for

> > dasha

> > > > > > > > analysis. The

> > > > > > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce. generally

if

> > the

> > > > graha

> > > > > > > > owns a

> > > > > > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it is

not

> > > > > > considered a

> > > > > > > > > functional benefic.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required -

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and

8'th ,

> > eg -

> > > > Mars

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not

considered

> > bad.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th *and*

8'th

> > eg -

> > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th

*or

> > > > *8'th

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > considered bad.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th

eg -

> > > > Sat for

> > > > > > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be fully

good

> > > > also,

> > > > > > > > mixed

> > > > > > > > > > results we should derive.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses

also.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 26, 2007

Dear Prabodh,

Do you mean that lord of the 5th can not lead to Rajyoga? Or is not

Rajyogakaraka? If I remember my BPHS well, there are many grahas that

are not considered FB and yet can become rajyogakarakas.

Chandrashekhar.

Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste

I am really sorry for my quality of english. I will try again. I did

say that only Shubha(FB) can be RYK. That is if a graha has to lead

to Rajyoga, it must satisfy some conditions.

1) It must be Shubha or Functional Benefic.

1.1) Shubha or FB means lord of 5th and 9th.

2) only 9th lord can lead to Rajyoga

3) This 9th lord( which is always Shubha or FB) must have some

sambandha with 10th lord.

4) This 9th lord should not be with blemish. Blemish is for behaving

as Rajyogakarak and blemish does not mean loss of Shubhatva.

4.1) Blemish to 9th lord can be because of lordship of 3,6,8,11

simultaneously.

4.2) Blemish to 9th lord can be because of it 'Sambandha' with 10th

lord that has blemish.

>Read together it does mean that a shubha is not so (what you

> designate as FB) if blemished.

No. Slight correction. Read together it means that Shubha is not

Rajyogakaraka, if blemished.

I hope this time I made no mistake in my english!

Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankar

Har Har Shankar

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Prabodh,

>

> I am really confused as to what you mean by FB and what is shubha,

> according to you. May be at my age the cryptic use of initials is

too

> much to grasp. But did you not say "I mean only Shubha (FB)can be

> qualified as Rajyogakarak" ? and then that the shubhas should be

without

> blemish. Read together it does mean that a shubha is not so (what

you

> designate as FB) if blemished. But then my comprehension could be

wrong.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> >

> > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste

> >

> > >So why the distinction between

> > > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being

so at

this

> > > stage?

> >

> > There is no distinction from my side. Trikonesh(5th/9th)

is FB

(Shubha)

> > but every FB(Shubha) is not YK. 9th lord along with 10th lord

can

> > lead to YK. To avoid repetition BPHS has indicated many

things by

> > necessary connotation though not expressed directly. That is

the

> > reason,why BPHS has not said anything about Shubha or Ashubha

of

> > shani for Budha's lagna.

> > Like, since before describing specific lagna, it has

discussed in

> > general Shubhashubha of Bhava-Bhavesh. In that it clearly says

> > that "TrikoneshaH ShubhaH SmrutaH". Keeping this in mind if

> > intreprete shlokas of specific lagna we may get correct

results.

> >

> > > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their

undisputed

> > > > credibility I have nothing much to say but what

about those

> > portions

> > > > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu

Parashari?

> > Should

> > > > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility?

> >

> > Since you ignored this question what should we follow? Laghu

> > Parashari or Guru Parahari?

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

> > Jai Jai Shankar

> > Har Har Shankar

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prabodh,

> > >

> > > Can you make it clear as to what you meant by Benefic in

the

> > original

> > > post, if not functional benefic? So why the distinction

between

> > > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being

so at

this

> > > stage? I do not find any such distinction in the shlokas

of

BPHS.

> > Do

> > > you? If I remember right, Parashara says that for

Mithuna lagna

> > only

> > > Shukra is shubha.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste

> > > >

> > > > Should we not take general and specific rule into

consideration?

> > Like

> > > > being RajYogakaraka is specific to being Shubha. I

mean only

> > Shubha

> > > > (FB)can be qualified as Rajyogakarak(Lord of

9th and 10th and

> > their

> > > > Sambandha). Secondly,these Shubha grahas should be

without

> > blemish.

> > > > Blemish can be there(to be qualified not as RY)

because of

graha

> > > > holding 3,6,8,11 as well. That is why for Mithuna

Shani is

Shubha

> > (FB)

> > > > but being 8th lord as well when gets associated

with 10th lord

> > Guru

> > > > does not lead to RY.

> > > >

> > > > So I see it as

> > > >

> > > > Mesha

> > > >

> > > > 9th lord Guru is Shubha and is 12th lord so

qualifies as RYK

> > > > 10th lord Shani is lord of 11th as well hence can

not give RYK

> > even

> > > > if involved with 9th lord Guru.

> > > >

> > > > Vrishabha

> > > > Shani RYK as 9th and 10th lord

> > > > Mithuna

> > > > Shani is Shubha but being 8th lord can not lead to

RYK even if

> > > > invloved with 10th lord Guru.

> > > > Karka

> > > > Guru is Benefic but RYK is only Mangal. Guru is 6th

lord as

well

> > so

> > > > not RYK status.

> > > > Simha

> > > > 9th lord Mangal is RYK but 10th lord Shukra is as

well 3rd

lord so

> > > > its association with Mangal does not lead to RY.

> > > > Kanya

> > > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 2nd hence RYK

along with

10th

> > lord

> > > > Budha.

> > > > Tula

> > > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 12th hence RYK

along with

10th

> > > > lord Chandra .

> > > > Vrichika

> > > > Surya-Chandra RYK

> > > > Dhanu

> > > > Surya Budha RYK

> > > > Makara

> > > > 9th lord Budha is benefic but being 6th lord does

not lead to

RYK

> > > > Kumbha

> > > > Shukar only RYK as 10th lord Mangal is 3rd lord as

well

> > > > Meena

> > > > 9th lord is benefic and since takes 2nd lordship

leads to RYK

> > along

> > > > with 10th lord Guru.

> > > >

> > > > So what I understand by Parashara is that

> > > >

> > > > 1)

> > > > Trikonesh(9th and 5th Lord) are alwyas Benefic but

9th lord

may

> > not

> > > > lead to Rajyoga if owns (3,6,8,11).

> > > > 2)

> > > > When Lagnesh is NB and 6th lord(Shukra for

Vrishabha),it is

> > Ashubha

> > > > and when it is NM and 6th lord(Mangal for

Vrishcika),it is

Sama-

> > Shubha

> > > >

> > > > When Lagnesh is NB and 8th lord(Shukra for Tula),it

is Sama-

Shubha

> > > > and when it is NM and 8th lord( Mangal for Mesha),

it is

Shubha.

> > > >

> > > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their

undisputed

> > > > credibility I have nothing much to say but what

about those

> > portions

> > > > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu

Parashari?

> > Should

> > > > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > > >

> > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Prabodh,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sure that you are aware that Laghu

Parashari was always

> > > > available

> > > > > in manuscript form and also called Ududaya

Pradeep. BPHS was

> > > > either

> > > > > compilation of shlokas from various pandits

who remembered

them

> > or

> > > > from

> > > > > manuscripts that had different shloka amongst

themselves.

So it

> > is

> > > > safer

> > > > > to go with What is available in Laghu

Parashari from whose

> > shloka I

> > > > > quoted. The same also appears in most of the

other editions

of

> > BPHS

> > > > and

> > > > > does make sense. The reason is the following

shloka:

> > > > >

> > > > > xmRkmaRixnetaraE rNØlaÉaixpaE yid,

> > > > >

> > > > > dharmakarmädhinetärau randhraläbhädhipau

yadi |

> > > > >

> > > > > tyae> sMbNxmaÇe[ n yaeg< lÉte nr>.22.

> > > > >

> > > > > tayoù sambandhamätreëa na yogaà labhate

naraù ||22||

> > > > >

> > > > > _ _

> > > > >

> > > > > _If lord of the 9^th or 10^th are also lords

of 8^th or

11^th

> > these

> > > > > associations do not give rise to (Raj) Yoga._

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sure that even Deveshchandra Jha edition

should have

that

> > > > shloka.

> > > > > Here the malfeasance acquired by lord of the

9th due to

> > > > simultaneously

> > > > > owning the 8th or the 11th is made amply clear.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > First it says

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na

shubhaprada"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being

12th house lord

to

> > 9th

> > > > > > house.

> > > > > > then it goes on

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva

shubhado mataH"

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as

well,then it will

become

> > > > benefic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan

BPHS by Devashandra

Za.

> > > > Atleast

> > > > > > in this edition,we dont get a condition

of 8th lord

placement.

> > > > Which

> > > > > > one to read and follow?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Prabodh,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully,

again. He says that

only

> > > > when

> > > > > > such a

> > > > > > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in

Lagna or the 8th it

is

> > not

> > > > to be

> > > > > > > considered ashubha. He does not say

about its being

shubha

> > only

> > > > by

> > > > > > being

> > > > > > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to

it. I am pasting the

> > shloka,

> > > > > > with its

> > > > > > > approximate translation (as much is

lost in English

> > translation)

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > your ready reference.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na

çubhapradaù |

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet!

Svym!.9.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi

cet svayam ||9||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious,

being 12^th house

lord

> > to

> > > > 9^th

> > > > > > > house. However if he is also Lord of

lagna and occupies

> > Lagna or

> > > > > > 8^th

> > > > > > > house he gives benefic results._

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Of course if you are referring to

any other shloka,

please

> > let

> > > > me

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > > which shloka you are referring to.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if

as well be trine lord

> > should be

> > > > > > > > considerd as Shubha. As per

Parashara, 8th house is

> > ashubha

> > > > since

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So

when 8th lord is colord

of

> > 9th

> > > > or

> > > > > > trine

> > > > > > > > to it, it does not affect badly

to bhgaya and hence

> > should be

> > > > > > treated

> > > > > > > > as Shubha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and

Space.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > They are yet not treated

as functional benefics, for

> > dasha

> > > > > > > > analysis. The

> > > > > > > > > results are mixed as you

rightly deduce. generally

if

> > the

> > > > graha

> > > > > > > > owns a

> > > > > > > > > good house and another is

the 6th or the 8th it is

not

> > > > > > considered a

> > > > > > > > > functional benefic.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance

following , if required -

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > a) If one and same

planet is lord of 1st and

8'th ,

> > eg -

> > > > Mars

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus

for Libra Asc, is not

considered

> > bad.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > b) If one and same

planet is lord of 5'th *and*

8'th

> > eg -

> > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for

Aquar Asc and placed in 5'th

*or

> > > > *8'th

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > considered bad.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > c) If on and same

planet is lord of 8'th and 9'th

eg -

> > > > Sat for

> > > > > > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > > > Asc and placed in

9'th is not bad.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My View : Though not

bad, but should not be fully

good

> > > > also,

> > > > > > > > mixed

> > > > > > > > > > results we should

derive.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I will be posting

exceptions to other houeses

also.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 27, 2007

Chandrashekhar ji Namste

I was refering to Yogakarak graha that Parashara has described while

discussing FB-FM. Read Tula lagna,Parashara has simply said that

Shani and Budha are Shubha(FB) but only Chandra and Budha are

Rajyogkarak.

" ShanaicharaBudhou Shubhou |

Rajyogasya Karakaou ChadratatSutaou|| "

Here it is amply clear that although Shani is 5th and 4th lord for

Tula lagna but parashara does not qualify it to be Yogakarka but

simply qualifies them as Shubha(FB).

If we go through shlokas of all the Lagnas where parashara has

described Shubha(FB),Ashubha(FM) and Rajyogakarak we get correct idea

about it. It is there in 35th adhyaya titled Yogadyaya of BPHS.

I know that later in Rajyogadyaa Parashara has given in detail graha

that can be Rajyogkarak including Trik lords. But I wanted to be

focused with the context in which we had the discussions.

Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankar

Har Har Shankar

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Prabodh,

>

> Do you mean that lord of the 5th can not lead to Rajyoga? Or is not

> Rajyogakaraka? If I remember my BPHS well, there are many grahas

that

> are not considered FB and yet can become rajyogakarakas.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> >

> > Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste

> >

> > I am really sorry for my quality of english. I will try again. I

did

> > say that only Shubha(FB) can be RYK. That is if a graha has to

lead

> > to Rajyoga, it must satisfy some conditions.

> > 1) It must be Shubha or Functional Benefic.

> > 1.1) Shubha or FB means lord of 5th and 9th.

> > 2) only 9th lord can lead to Rajyoga

> > 3) This 9th lord( which is always Shubha or FB) must have some

> > sambandha with 10th lord.

> > 4) This 9th lord should not be with blemish. Blemish is for

behaving

> > as Rajyogakarak and blemish does not mean loss of Shubhatva.

> > 4.1) Blemish to 9th lord can be because of lordship of 3,6,8,11

> > simultaneously.

> > 4.2) Blemish to 9th lord can be because of it 'Sambandha' with

10th

> > lord that has blemish.

> >

> > >Read together it does mean that a shubha is not so (what you

> > > designate as FB) if blemished.

> >

> > No. Slight correction. Read together it means that Shubha is not

> > Rajyogakaraka, if blemished.

> >

> > I hope this time I made no mistake in my english!

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

> > Jai Jai Shankar

> > Har Har Shankar

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prabodh,

> > >

> > > I am really confused as to what you mean by FB and what is

shubha,

> > > according to you. May be at my age the cryptic use of initials

is

> > too

> > > much to grasp. But did you not say " I mean only Shubha (FB)can

be

> > > qualified as Rajyogakarak " ? and then that the shubhas should be

> > without

> > > blemish. Read together it does mean that a shubha is not so

(what

> > you

> > > designate as FB) if blemished. But then my comprehension could

be

> > wrong.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste

> > > >

> > > > >So why the distinction between

> > > > > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being so

at

> > this

> > > > > stage?

> > > >

> > > > There is no distinction from my side. Trikonesh(5th/9th) is FB

> > (Shubha)

> > > > but every FB(Shubha) is not YK. 9th lord along with 10th lord

can

> > > > lead to YK. To avoid repetition BPHS has indicated many

things by

> > > > necessary connotation though not expressed directly. That is

the

> > > > reason,why BPHS has not said anything about Shubha or Ashubha

of

> > > > shani for Budha's lagna.

> > > > Like, since before describing specific lagna, it has

discussed in

> > > > general Shubhashubha of Bhava-Bhavesh. In that it clearly says

> > > > that " TrikoneshaH ShubhaH SmrutaH " . Keeping this in mind if

> > > > intreprete shlokas of specific lagna we may get correct

results.

> > > >

> > > > > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their

undisputed

> > > > > > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about

those

> > > > portions

> > > > > > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu

Parashari?

> > > > Should

> > > > > > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility?

> > > >

> > > > Since you ignored this question what should we follow? Laghu

> > > > Parashari or Guru Parahari?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > > >

> > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Prabodh,

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you make it clear as to what you meant by Benefic in the

> > > > original

> > > > > post, if not functional benefic? So why the distinction

between

> > > > > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha being so

at

> > this

> > > > > stage? I do not find any such distinction in the shlokas of

> > BPHS.

> > > > Do

> > > > > you? If I remember right, Parashara says that for Mithuna

lagna

> > > > only

> > > > > Shukra is shubha.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Should we not take general and specific rule into

> > consideration?

> > > > Like

> > > > > > being RajYogakaraka is specific to being Shubha. I mean

only

> > > > Shubha

> > > > > > (FB)can be qualified as Rajyogakarak(Lord of 9th and 10th

and

> > > > their

> > > > > > Sambandha). Secondly,these Shubha grahas should be without

> > > > blemish.

> > > > > > Blemish can be there(to be qualified not as RY) because of

> > graha

> > > > > > holding 3,6,8,11 as well. That is why for Mithuna Shani is

> > Shubha

> > > > (FB)

> > > > > > but being 8th lord as well when gets associated with 10th

lord

> > > > Guru

> > > > > > does not lead to RY.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So I see it as

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mesha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 9th lord Guru is Shubha and is 12th lord so qualifies as

RYK

> > > > > > 10th lord Shani is lord of 11th as well hence can not

give RYK

> > > > even

> > > > > > if involved with 9th lord Guru.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vrishabha

> > > > > > Shani RYK as 9th and 10th lord

> > > > > > Mithuna

> > > > > > Shani is Shubha but being 8th lord can not lead to RYK

even if

> > > > > > invloved with 10th lord Guru.

> > > > > > Karka

> > > > > > Guru is Benefic but RYK is only Mangal. Guru is 6th lord

as

> > well

> > > > so

> > > > > > not RYK status.

> > > > > > Simha

> > > > > > 9th lord Mangal is RYK but 10th lord Shukra is as well 3rd

> > lord so

> > > > > > its association with Mangal does not lead to RY.

> > > > > > Kanya

> > > > > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 2nd hence RYK along

with

> > 10th

> > > > lord

> > > > > > Budha.

> > > > > > Tula

> > > > > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 12th hence RYK along

with

> > 10th

> > > > > > lord Chandra .

> > > > > > Vrichika

> > > > > > Surya-Chandra RYK

> > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > Surya Budha RYK

> > > > > > Makara

> > > > > > 9th lord Budha is benefic but being 6th lord does not

lead to

> > RYK

> > > > > > Kumbha

> > > > > > Shukar only RYK as 10th lord Mangal is 3rd lord as well

> > > > > > Meena

> > > > > > 9th lord is benefic and since takes 2nd lordship leads to

RYK

> > > > along

> > > > > > with 10th lord Guru.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So what I understand by Parashara is that

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1)

> > > > > > Trikonesh(9th and 5th Lord) are alwyas Benefic but 9th

lord

> > may

> > > > not

> > > > > > lead to Rajyoga if owns (3,6,8,11).

> > > > > > 2)

> > > > > > When Lagnesh is NB and 6th lord(Shukra for Vrishabha),it

is

> > > > Ashubha

> > > > > > and when it is NM and 6th lord(Mangal for Vrishcika),it is

> > Sama-

> > > > Shubha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When Lagnesh is NB and 8th lord(Shukra for Tula),it is

Sama-

> > Shubha

> > > > > > and when it is NM and 8th lord( Mangal for Mesha), it is

> > Shubha.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their

undisputed

> > > > > > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about

those

> > > > portions

> > > > > > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu

Parashari?

> > > > Should

> > > > > > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Prabodh,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am sure that you are aware that Laghu Parashari was

always

> > > > > > available

> > > > > > > in manuscript form and also called Ududaya Pradeep.

BPHS was

> > > > > > either

> > > > > > > compilation of shlokas from various pandits who

remembered

> > them

> > > > or

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > manuscripts that had different shloka amongst

themselves.

> > So it

> > > > is

> > > > > > safer

> > > > > > > to go with What is available in Laghu Parashari from

whose

> > > > shloka I

> > > > > > > quoted. The same also appears in most of the other

editions

> > of

> > > > BPHS

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > does make sense. The reason is the following shloka:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > xmRkmaRixnetaraE rNØlaÉaixpaE yid,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dharmakarmädhinetärau randhraläbhädhipau yadi |

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > tyae> sMbNxmaÇe[ n yaeg< lÉte nr>.22.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > tayoù sambandhamätreëa na yogaà labhate naraù ||22||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > _ _

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > _If lord of the 9^th or 10^th are also lords of 8^th or

> > 11^th

> > > > these

> > > > > > > associations do not give rise to (Raj) Yoga._

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am sure that even Deveshchandra Jha edition should

have

> > that

> > > > > > shloka.

> > > > > > > Here the malfeasance acquired by lord of the 9th due to

> > > > > > simultaneously

> > > > > > > owning the 8th or the 11th is made amply clear.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > First it says

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th house

lord

> > to

> > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > then it goes on

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it will

> > become

> > > > > > benefic.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by

Devashandra

> > Za.

> > > > > > Atleast

> > > > > > > > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th lord

> > placement.

> > > > > > Which

> > > > > > > > one to read and follow?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He says

that

> > only

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > such a

> > > > > > > > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the 8th

it

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its being

> > shubha

> > > > only

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am pasting

the

> > > > shloka,

> > > > > > > > with its

> > > > > > > > > approximate translation (as much is lost in English

> > > > translation)

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > your ready reference.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù |

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9||

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th

house

> > lord

> > > > to

> > > > > > 9^th

> > > > > > > > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and

occupies

> > > > Lagna or

> > > > > > > > 8^th

> > > > > > > > > house he gives benefic results._

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other shloka,

> > please

> > > > let

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > which shloka you are referring to.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine

lord

> > > > should be

> > > > > > > > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th house

is

> > > > ashubha

> > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is

colord

> > of

> > > > 9th

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > trine

> > > > > > > > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and

hence

> > > > should be

> > > > > > > > treated

> > > > > > > > > > as Shubha.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%

40>,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional

benefics, for

> > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > analysis. The

> > > > > > > > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce.

generally

> > if

> > > > the

> > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > owns a

> > > > > > > > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the 8th it

is

> > not

> > > > > > > > considered a

> > > > > > > > > > > functional benefic.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if required -

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st and

> > 8'th ,

> > > > eg -

> > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not

> > considered

> > > > bad.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th

*and*

> > 8'th

> > > > eg -

> > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in

5'th

> > *or

> > > > > > *8'th

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > considered bad.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th and

9'th

> > eg -

> > > > > > Sat for

> > > > > > > > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not be

fully

> > good

> > > > > > also,

> > > > > > > > > > mixed

> > > > > > > > > > > > results we should derive.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other houeses

> > also.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 28, 2007

Dear Prabodh,

You know Sanskrit well and I need not tell you that many a times

additional words are used to keep with the metre of the shlokas.

However carrying your argument further and accepting what you say,

though not accepting its correctness, I would like to draw your

attention to Karka lagna and allotment of rajyogakarakatwa to Mars who

happens to be the lord of 10th and the 5th for that lagna. Now will you

therefore say that the 9th lord can not be rajyogakaraka since the 5th

lord is here qualified as Rajyogakaraka? Is saying that only 9th lord

can be rajyogakaraka correct in the light of interpretation of what

Parashara says, as you see it?

Think about this.

take care,

Chandrashekhar.

Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

Chandrashekhar ji Namste

I was refering to Yogakarak graha that Parashara has described while

discussing FB-FM. Read Tula lagna,Parashara has simply said that

Shani and Budha are Shubha(FB) but only Chandra and Budha are

Rajyogkarak.

"ShanaicharaBudhou Shubhou |

Rajyogasya Karakaou ChadratatSutaou||"

Here it is amply clear that although Shani is 5th and 4th lord for

Tula lagna but parashara does not qualify it to be Yogakarka but

simply qualifies them as Shubha(FB).

If we go through shlokas of all the Lagnas where parashara has

described Shubha(FB),Ashubha(FM) and Rajyogakarak we get correct

idea

about it. It is there in 35th adhyaya titled Yogadyaya of BPHS.

I know that later in Rajyogadyaa Parashara has given in detail graha

that can be Rajyogkarak including Trik lords. But I wanted to be

focused with the context in which we had the discussions.

Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankar

Har Har Shankar

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Prabodh,

>

> Do you mean that lord of the 5th can not lead to Rajyoga? Or is

not

> Rajyogakaraka? If I remember my BPHS well, there are many grahas

that

> are not considered FB and yet can become rajyogakarakas.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> >

> > Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste

> >

> > I am really sorry for my quality of english. I will try

again. I

did

> > say that only Shubha(FB) can be RYK. That is if a graha has

to

lead

> > to Rajyoga, it must satisfy some conditions.

> > 1) It must be Shubha or Functional Benefic.

> > 1.1) Shubha or FB means lord of 5th and 9th.

> > 2) only 9th lord can lead to Rajyoga

> > 3) This 9th lord( which is always Shubha or FB) must have some

> > sambandha with 10th lord.

> > 4) This 9th lord should not be with blemish. Blemish is for

behaving

> > as Rajyogakarak and blemish does not mean loss of Shubhatva.

> > 4.1) Blemish to 9th lord can be because of lordship of

3,6,8,11

> > simultaneously.

> > 4.2) Blemish to 9th lord can be because of it 'Sambandha'

with

10th

> > lord that has blemish.

> >

> > >Read together it does mean that a shubha is not so (what

you

> > > designate as FB) if blemished.

> >

> > No. Slight correction. Read together it means that Shubha is

not

> > Rajyogakaraka, if blemished.

> >

> > I hope this time I made no mistake in my english!

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

> > Jai Jai Shankar

> > Har Har Shankar

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prabodh,

> > >

> > > I am really confused as to what you mean by FB and what

is

shubha,

> > > according to you. May be at my age the cryptic use of

initials

is

> > too

> > > much to grasp. But did you not say "I mean only Shubha

(FB)can

be

> > > qualified as Rajyogakarak" ? and then that the shubhas

should be

> > without

> > > blemish. Read together it does mean that a shubha is not

so

(what

> > you

> > > designate as FB) if blemished. But then my comprehension

could

be

> > wrong.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste

> > > >

> > > > >So why the distinction between

> > > > > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and

Shubha being so

at

> > this

> > > > > stage?

> > > >

> > > > There is no distinction from my side. Trikonesh(5th/9th)

is FB

> > (Shubha)

> > > > but every FB(Shubha) is not YK. 9th lord along with

10th lord

can

> > > > lead to YK. To avoid repetition BPHS has indicated

many

things by

> > > > necessary connotation though not expressed

directly. That is

the

> > > > reason,why BPHS has not said anything about Shubha

or Ashubha

of

> > > > shani for Budha's lagna.

> > > > Like, since before describing specific lagna, it

has

discussed in

> > > > general Shubhashubha of Bhava-Bhavesh. In that it

clearly says

> > > > that "TrikoneshaH ShubhaH SmrutaH". Keeping this in

mind if

> > > > intreprete shlokas of specific lagna we may get

correct

results.

> > > >

> > > > > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari

and their

undisputed

> > > > > > credibility I have nothing much to say

but what about

those

> > > > portions

> > > > > > of Guru Parashari which are not included

in Laghu

Parashari?

> > > > Should

> > > > > > we ignore them as we can dispute their

credibility?

> > > >

> > > > Since you ignored this question what should we

follow? Laghu

> > > > Parashari or Guru Parahari?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > > >

> > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Prabodh,

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you make it clear as to what you meant by

Benefic in the

> > > > original

> > > > > post, if not functional benefic? So why the

distinction

between

> > > > > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and

Shubha being so

at

> > this

> > > > > stage? I do not find any such distinction in

the shlokas of

> > BPHS.

> > > > Do

> > > > > you? If I remember right, Parashara says that

for Mithuna

lagna

> > > > only

> > > > > Shukra is shubha.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Should we not take general and specific

rule into

> > consideration?

> > > > Like

> > > > > > being RajYogakaraka is specific to being

Shubha. I mean

only

> > > > Shubha

> > > > > > (FB)can be qualified as Rajyogakarak(Lord

of 9th and 10th

and

> > > > their

> > > > > > Sambandha). Secondly,these Shubha grahas

should be without

> > > > blemish.

> > > > > > Blemish can be there(to be qualified not

as RY) because of

> > graha

> > > > > > holding 3,6,8,11 as well. That is why for

Mithuna Shani is

> > Shubha

> > > > (FB)

> > > > > > but being 8th lord as well when gets

associated with 10th

lord

> > > > Guru

> > > > > > does not lead to RY.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So I see it as

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mesha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 9th lord Guru is Shubha and is 12th lord

so qualifies as

RYK

> > > > > > 10th lord Shani is lord of 11th as well

hence can not

give RYK

> > > > even

> > > > > > if involved with 9th lord Guru.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vrishabha

> > > > > > Shani RYK as 9th and 10th lord

> > > > > > Mithuna

> > > > > > Shani is Shubha but being 8th lord can

not lead to RYK

even if

> > > > > > invloved with 10th lord Guru.

> > > > > > Karka

> > > > > > Guru is Benefic but RYK is only Mangal.

Guru is 6th lord

as

> > well

> > > > so

> > > > > > not RYK status.

> > > > > > Simha

> > > > > > 9th lord Mangal is RYK but 10th lord

Shukra is as well 3rd

> > lord so

> > > > > > its association with Mangal does not lead

to RY.

> > > > > > Kanya

> > > > > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 2nd

hence RYK along

with

> > 10th

> > > > lord

> > > > > > Budha.

> > > > > > Tula

> > > > > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 12th

hence RYK along

with

> > 10th

> > > > > > lord Chandra .

> > > > > > Vrichika

> > > > > > Surya-Chandra RYK

> > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > Surya Budha RYK

> > > > > > Makara

> > > > > > 9th lord Budha is benefic but being 6th

lord does not

lead to

> > RYK

> > > > > > Kumbha

> > > > > > Shukar only RYK as 10th lord Mangal is

3rd lord as well

> > > > > > Meena

> > > > > > 9th lord is benefic and since takes 2nd

lordship leads to

RYK

> > > > along

> > > > > > with 10th lord Guru.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So what I understand by Parashara is that

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1)

> > > > > > Trikonesh(9th and 5th Lord) are alwyas

Benefic but 9th

lord

> > may

> > > > not

> > > > > > lead to Rajyoga if owns (3,6,8,11).

> > > > > > 2)

> > > > > > When Lagnesh is NB and 6th lord(Shukra

for Vrishabha),it

is

> > > > Ashubha

> > > > > > and when it is NM and 6th lord(Mangal for

Vrishcika),it is

> > Sama-

> > > > Shubha

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When Lagnesh is NB and 8th lord(Shukra

for Tula),it is

Sama-

> > Shubha

> > > > > > and when it is NM and 8th lord( Mangal

for Mesha), it is

> > Shubha.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari

and their

undisputed

> > > > > > credibility I have nothing much to say

but what about

those

> > > > portions

> > > > > > of Guru Parashari which are not included

in Laghu

Parashari?

> > > > Should

> > > > > > we ignore them as we can dispute their

credibility?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Prabodh,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am sure that you are aware that

Laghu Parashari was

always

> > > > > > available

> > > > > > > in manuscript form and also called

Ududaya Pradeep.

BPHS was

> > > > > > either

> > > > > > > compilation of shlokas from various

pandits who

remembered

> > them

> > > > or

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > manuscripts that had different

shloka amongst

themselves.

> > So it

> > > > is

> > > > > > safer

> > > > > > > to go with What is available in

Laghu Parashari from

whose

> > > > shloka I

> > > > > > > quoted. The same also appears in

most of the other

editions

> > of

> > > > BPHS

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > does make sense. The reason is the

following shloka:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > xmRkmaRixnetaraE rNØlaÉaixpaE yid,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dharmakarmädhinetärau

randhraläbhädhipau yadi |

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > tyae> sMbNxmaÇe[ n yaeg< lÉte

nr>.22.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > tayoù sambandhamätreëa na yogaà

labhate naraù ||22||

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > _ _

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > _If lord of the 9^th or 10^th are

also lords of 8^th or

> > 11^th

> > > > these

> > > > > > > associations do not give rise to

(Raj) Yoga._

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am sure that even Deveshchandra

Jha edition should

have

> > that

> > > > > > shloka.

> > > > > > > Here the malfeasance acquired by

lord of the 9th due to

> > > > > > simultaneously

> > > > > > > owning the 8th or the 11th is made

amply clear.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > First it says

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "Bhagyavyayadhiptyena

randresho na shubhaprada"

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lord of the 8th is not

auspicious, being 12th house

lord

> > to

> > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > then it goes on

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > "lagnatrikonapavashat sa

eva shubhado mataH"

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But if it(8th lord) is

trikonesh as well,then it will

> > become

> > > > > > benefic.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit

Sansthan BPHS by

Devashandra

> > Za.

> > > > > > Atleast

> > > > > > > > in this edition,we dont get a

condition of 8th lord

> > placement.

> > > > > > Which

> > > > > > > > one to read and follow?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and

Space.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Read what Parashara says

carefully, again. He says

that

> > only

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > such a

> > > > > > > > > graha is lagnesha and is

placed in Lagna or the 8th

it

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > considered ashubha. He

does not say about its being

> > shubha

> > > > only

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > the co-lord of the 9th or

trine to it. I am pasting

the

> > > > shloka,

> > > > > > > > with its

> > > > > > > > > approximate translation

(as much is lost in English

> > > > translation)

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > your ready reference.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n

zuÉàd>,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena

randhreço na çubhapradaù |

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip

cet! Svym!.9.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä

lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam ||9||

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not

auspicious, being 12^th

house

> > lord

> > > > to

> > > > > > 9^th

> > > > > > > > > house. However if he is

also Lord of lagna and

occupies

> > > > Lagna or

> > > > > > > > 8^th

> > > > > > > > > house he gives benefic

results._

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Of course if you are

referring to any other shloka,

> > please

> > > > let

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > which shloka you are

referring to.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji

Namaste

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th

lord if as well be trine

lord

> > > > should be

> > > > > > > > > > considerd as Shubha.

As per Parashara, 8th house

is

> > > > ashubha

> > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > is 12th to 9th the

bhagya. So when 8th lord is

colord

> > of

> > > > 9th

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > trine

> > > > > > > > > > to it, it does not

affect badly to bhgaya and

hence

> > > > should be

> > > > > > > > treated

> > > > > > > > > > as Shubha.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your

Time and Space.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%

40>,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > They are yet not

treated as functional

benefics, for

> > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > analysis. The

> > > > > > > > > > > results are

mixed as you rightly deduce.

generally

> > if

> > > > the

> > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > owns a

> > > > > > > > > > > good house and

another is the 6th or the 8th it

is

> > not

> > > > > > > > considered a

> > > > > > > > > > > functional

benefic.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear

Group/Elders,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pls.

correct/enhance following , if required -

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > a) If one

and same planet is lord of 1st and

> > 8'th ,

> > > > eg -

> > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > Aries Asc

and Venus for Libra Asc, is not

> > considered

> > > > bad.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > b) If one

and same planet is lord of 5'th

*and*

> > 8'th

> > > > eg -

> > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > Leo Asc and

Merc for Aquar Asc and placed in

5'th

> > *or

> > > > > > *8'th

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > considered

bad.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > c) If on

and same planet is lord of 8'th and

9'th

> > eg -

> > > > > > Sat for

> > > > > > > > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > > > > > Asc and

placed in 9'th is not bad.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > My View :

Though not bad, but should not be

fully

> > good

> > > > > > also,

> > > > > > > > > > mixed

> > > > > > > > > > > > results we

should derive.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I will be

posting exceptions to other houeses

> > also.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

December 29, 2007

Chandrashekhar ji Namaste

This is exactly what I wanted to say. 5th lord of its own will not

qualify as RYK unless it is 10th lord. As a matter of fact Mars

qualifies as RYK to Karka lagana because it is 10th lord(without

blemish). What I am all the while saying is that only 9th or 10th

lord qualifies as RYK if without blemish. Among these two FB is only

9th lord. This was my one of the earlier mails

>Like being RajYogakaraka is specific to being Shubha. I mean

>only Shubha (FB)can be qualified as Rajyogakarak(Lord of 9th and 10th

>and their Sambandha). Secondly,these Shubha grahas should be without

>blemish.

>Blemish can be there(to be qualified not as RY) because of graha

>holding 3,6,8,11 as well.

To clarify once again

0)5th and 9th lords are always FB i.e. Shubha

1)Only 9th/10th lord is considered as RYK if without blemish.

2)Among these two 9th lord is the only one who is FB.

3) Blemish to these two can be because of co-lordship of 3,6,8,11.

I have explained for each Lagna how this comes out to be true. I

request you to go through that mail and reconsider your arguments.

Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankar

Har Har Shankar

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Prabodh,

>

> You know Sanskrit well and I need not tell you that many a times

> additional words are used to keep with the metre of the shlokas.

However

> carrying your argument further and accepting what you say, though

not

> accepting its correctness, I would like to draw your attention to

Karka

> lagna and allotment of rajyogakarakatwa to Mars who happens to be

the

> lord of 10th and the 5th for that lagna. Now will you therefore say

that

> the 9th lord can not be rajyogakaraka since the 5th lord is here

> qualified as Rajyogakaraka? Is saying that only 9th lord can be

> rajyogakaraka correct in the light of interpretation of what

Parashara

> says, as you see it?

>

> Think about this.

>

> take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> >

> > Chandrashekhar ji Namste

> >

> > I was refering to Yogakarak graha that Parashara has described

while

> > discussing FB-FM. Read Tula lagna,Parashara has simply said that

> > Shani and Budha are Shubha(FB) but only Chandra and Budha are

> > Rajyogkarak.

> > " ShanaicharaBudhou Shubhou |

> > Rajyogasya Karakaou ChadratatSutaou|| "

> >

> > Here it is amply clear that although Shani is 5th and 4th lord for

> > Tula lagna but parashara does not qualify it to be Yogakarka but

> > simply qualifies them as Shubha(FB).

> >

> > If we go through shlokas of all the Lagnas where parashara has

> > described Shubha(FB),Ashubha(FM) and Rajyogakarak we get correct

idea

> > about it. It is there in 35th adhyaya titled Yogadyaya of BPHS.

> >

> > I know that later in Rajyogadyaa Parashara has given in detail

graha

> > that can be Rajyogkarak including Trik lords. But I wanted to be

> > focused with the context in which we had the discussions.

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> >

> > Prabodh Vekhande

> > Jai Jai Shankar

> > Har Har Shankar

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prabodh,

> > >

> > > Do you mean that lord of the 5th can not lead to Rajyoga? Or is

not

> > > Rajyogakaraka? If I remember my BPHS well, there are many grahas

> > that

> > > are not considered FB and yet can become rajyogakarakas.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste

> > > >

> > > > I am really sorry for my quality of english. I will try

again. I

> > did

> > > > say that only Shubha(FB) can be RYK. That is if a graha has to

> > lead

> > > > to Rajyoga, it must satisfy some conditions.

> > > > 1) It must be Shubha or Functional Benefic.

> > > > 1.1) Shubha or FB means lord of 5th and 9th.

> > > > 2) only 9th lord can lead to Rajyoga

> > > > 3) This 9th lord( which is always Shubha or FB) must have some

> > > > sambandha with 10th lord.

> > > > 4) This 9th lord should not be with blemish. Blemish is for

> > behaving

> > > > as Rajyogakarak and blemish does not mean loss of Shubhatva.

> > > > 4.1) Blemish to 9th lord can be because of lordship of

3,6,8,11

> > > > simultaneously.

> > > > 4.2) Blemish to 9th lord can be because of it 'Sambandha' with

> > 10th

> > > > lord that has blemish.

> > > >

> > > > >Read together it does mean that a shubha is not so (what you

> > > > > designate as FB) if blemished.

> > > >

> > > > No. Slight correction. Read together it means that Shubha is

not

> > > > Rajyogakaraka, if blemished.

> > > >

> > > > I hope this time I made no mistake in my english!

> > > >

> > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > > >

> > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Prabodh,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am really confused as to what you mean by FB and what is

> > shubha,

> > > > > according to you. May be at my age the cryptic use of

initials

> > is

> > > > too

> > > > > much to grasp. But did you not say " I mean only Shubha (FB)

can

> > be

> > > > > qualified as Rajyogakarak " ? and then that the shubhas

should be

> > > > without

> > > > > blemish. Read together it does mean that a shubha is not so

> > (what

> > > > you

> > > > > designate as FB) if blemished. But then my comprehension

could

> > be

> > > > wrong.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >So why the distinction between

> > > > > > > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha

being so

> > at

> > > > this

> > > > > > > stage?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is no distinction from my side. Trikonesh(5th/9th)

is FB

> > > > (Shubha)

> > > > > > but every FB(Shubha) is not YK. 9th lord along with 10th

lord

> > can

> > > > > > lead to YK. To avoid repetition BPHS has indicated many

> > things by

> > > > > > necessary connotation though not expressed directly. That

is

> > the

> > > > > > reason,why BPHS has not said anything about Shubha or

Ashubha

> > of

> > > > > > shani for Budha's lagna.

> > > > > > Like, since before describing specific lagna, it has

> > discussed in

> > > > > > general Shubhashubha of Bhava-Bhavesh. In that it clearly

says

> > > > > > that " TrikoneshaH ShubhaH SmrutaH " . Keeping this in mind

if

> > > > > > intreprete shlokas of specific lagna we may get correct

> > results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their

> > undisputed

> > > > > > > > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about

> > those

> > > > > > portions

> > > > > > > > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu

> > Parashari?

> > > > > > Should

> > > > > > > > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since you ignored this question what should we follow?

Laghu

> > > > > > Parashari or Guru Parahari?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Prabodh,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can you make it clear as to what you meant by Benefic

in the

> > > > > > original

> > > > > > > post, if not functional benefic? So why the distinction

> > between

> > > > > > > Functional benefic not being yogakaraka and Shubha

being so

> > at

> > > > this

> > > > > > > stage? I do not find any such distinction in the

shlokas of

> > > > BPHS.

> > > > > > Do

> > > > > > > you? If I remember right, Parashara says that for

Mithuna

> > lagna

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > Shukra is shubha.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Ji Namaste

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Should we not take general and specific rule into

> > > > consideration?

> > > > > > Like

> > > > > > > > being RajYogakaraka is specific to being Shubha. I

mean

> > only

> > > > > > Shubha

> > > > > > > > (FB)can be qualified as Rajyogakarak(Lord of 9th and

10th

> > and

> > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > Sambandha). Secondly,these Shubha grahas should be

without

> > > > > > blemish.

> > > > > > > > Blemish can be there(to be qualified not as RY)

because of

> > > > graha

> > > > > > > > holding 3,6,8,11 as well. That is why for Mithuna

Shani is

> > > > Shubha

> > > > > > (FB)

> > > > > > > > but being 8th lord as well when gets associated with

10th

> > lord

> > > > > > Guru

> > > > > > > > does not lead to RY.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So I see it as

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mesha

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 9th lord Guru is Shubha and is 12th lord so qualifies

as

> > RYK

> > > > > > > > 10th lord Shani is lord of 11th as well hence can not

> > give RYK

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > if involved with 9th lord Guru.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vrishabha

> > > > > > > > Shani RYK as 9th and 10th lord

> > > > > > > > Mithuna

> > > > > > > > Shani is Shubha but being 8th lord can not lead to RYK

> > even if

> > > > > > > > invloved with 10th lord Guru.

> > > > > > > > Karka

> > > > > > > > Guru is Benefic but RYK is only Mangal. Guru is 6th

lord

> > as

> > > > well

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > not RYK status.

> > > > > > > > Simha

> > > > > > > > 9th lord Mangal is RYK but 10th lord Shukra is as

well 3rd

> > > > lord so

> > > > > > > > its association with Mangal does not lead to RY.

> > > > > > > > Kanya

> > > > > > > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 2nd hence RYK along

> > with

> > > > 10th

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > Budha.

> > > > > > > > Tula

> > > > > > > > 9th lord is benefic and co-lord of 12th hence RYK

along

> > with

> > > > 10th

> > > > > > > > lord Chandra .

> > > > > > > > Vrichika

> > > > > > > > Surya-Chandra RYK

> > > > > > > > Dhanu

> > > > > > > > Surya Budha RYK

> > > > > > > > Makara

> > > > > > > > 9th lord Budha is benefic but being 6th lord does not

> > lead to

> > > > RYK

> > > > > > > > Kumbha

> > > > > > > > Shukar only RYK as 10th lord Mangal is 3rd lord as

well

> > > > > > > > Meena

> > > > > > > > 9th lord is benefic and since takes 2nd lordship

leads to

> > RYK

> > > > > > along

> > > > > > > > with 10th lord Guru.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So what I understand by Parashara is that

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1)

> > > > > > > > Trikonesh(9th and 5th Lord) are alwyas Benefic but 9th

> > lord

> > > > may

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > lead to Rajyoga if owns (3,6,8,11).

> > > > > > > > 2)

> > > > > > > > When Lagnesh is NB and 6th lord(Shukra for

Vrishabha),it

> > is

> > > > > > Ashubha

> > > > > > > > and when it is NM and 6th lord(Mangal for

Vrishcika),it is

> > > > Sama-

> > > > > > Shubha

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When Lagnesh is NB and 8th lord(Shukra for Tula),it is

> > Sama-

> > > > Shubha

> > > > > > > > and when it is NM and 8th lord( Mangal for Mesha), it

is

> > > > Shubha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As regards to Laghu and Guru Parashari and their

> > undisputed

> > > > > > > > credibility I have nothing much to say but what about

> > those

> > > > > > portions

> > > > > > > > of Guru Parashari which are not included in Laghu

> > Parashari?

> > > > > > Should

> > > > > > > > we ignore them as we can dispute their credibility?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am sure that you are aware that Laghu Parashari

was

> > always

> > > > > > > > available

> > > > > > > > > in manuscript form and also called Ududaya Pradeep.

> > BPHS was

> > > > > > > > either

> > > > > > > > > compilation of shlokas from various pandits who

> > remembered

> > > > them

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > manuscripts that had different shloka amongst

> > themselves.

> > > > So it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > safer

> > > > > > > > > to go with What is available in Laghu Parashari from

> > whose

> > > > > > shloka I

> > > > > > > > > quoted. The same also appears in most of the other

> > editions

> > > > of

> > > > > > BPHS

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > does make sense. The reason is the following shloka:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > xmRkmaRixnetaraE rNØlaÉaixpaE yid,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dharmakarmädhinetärau randhraläbhädhipau yadi |

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > tyae> sMbNxmaÇe[ n yaeg< lÉte nr>.22.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > tayoù sambandhamätreëa na yogaà labhate naraù ||22||

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > _ _

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > _If lord of the 9^th or 10^th are also lords of

8^th or

> > > > 11^th

> > > > > > these

> > > > > > > > > associations do not give rise to (Raj) Yoga._

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am sure that even Deveshchandra Jha edition should

> > have

> > > > that

> > > > > > > > shloka.

> > > > > > > > > Here the malfeasance acquired by lord of the 9th

due to

> > > > > > > > simultaneously

> > > > > > > > > owning the 8th or the 11th is made amply clear.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > First it says

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Bhagyavyayadhiptyena randresho na shubhaprada "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lord of the 8th is not auspicious, being 12th

house

> > lord

> > > > to

> > > > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > then it goes on

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " lagnatrikonapavashat sa eva shubhado mataH "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > But if it(8th lord) is trikonesh as well,then it

will

> > > > become

> > > > > > > > benefic.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It is in Choukhanba Sanskrit Sansthan BPHS by

> > Devashandra

> > > > Za.

> > > > > > > > Atleast

> > > > > > > > > > in this edition,we dont get a condition of 8th

lord

> > > > placement.

> > > > > > > > Which

> > > > > > > > > > one to read and follow?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%

40>,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Prabodh,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Read what Parashara says carefully, again. He

says

> > that

> > > > only

> > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > such a

> > > > > > > > > > > graha is lagnesha and is placed in Lagna or the

8th

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > considered ashubha. He does not say about its

being

> > > > shubha

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > > > the co-lord of the 9th or trine to it. I am

pasting

> > the

> > > > > > shloka,

> > > > > > > > > > with its

> > > > > > > > > > > approximate translation (as much is lost in

English

> > > > > > translation)

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > your ready reference.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ÉaGyVyaixpTyen rNØezae n zuÉàd>,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > bhägyavyädhipatyena randhreço na çubhapradaù |

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > s @v zuÉsNxata l¶axIzae=ip cet! Svym!.9.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > sa eva çubhasandhätä lagnädhéço'pi cet svayam

||9||

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > _Lord of the 8^th is not auspicious, being 12^th

> > house

> > > > lord

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > 9^th

> > > > > > > > > > > house. However if he is also Lord of lagna and

> > occupies

> > > > > > Lagna or

> > > > > > > > > > 8^th

> > > > > > > > > > > house he gives benefic results._

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Of course if you are referring to any other

shloka,

> > > > please

> > > > > > let

> > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > which shloka you are referring to.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji Namaste

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara, 8th lord if as well be trine

> > lord

> > > > > > should be

> > > > > > > > > > > > considerd as Shubha. As per Parashara, 8th

house

> > is

> > > > > > ashubha

> > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > is 12th to 9th the bhagya. So when 8th lord is

> > colord

> > > > of

> > > > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > trine

> > > > > > > > > > > > to it, it does not affect badly to bhgaya and

> > hence

> > > > > > should be

> > > > > > > > > > treated

> > > > > > > > > > > > as Shubha.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Prabodh Vekhande

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Jai Shankar

> > > > > > > > > > > > Har Har Shankar

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%

40>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%

> > 40>,

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > They are yet not treated as functional

> > benefics, for

> > > > > > dasha

> > > > > > > > > > > > analysis. The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > results are mixed as you rightly deduce.

> > generally

> > > > if

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > graha

> > > > > > > > > > > > owns a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > good house and another is the 6th or the

8th it

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > considered a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > functional benefic.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group/Elders,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. correct/enhance following , if

required -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) If one and same planet is lord of 1st

and

> > > > 8'th ,

> > > > > > eg -

> > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aries Asc and Venus for Libra Asc, is not

> > > > considered

> > > > > > bad.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) If one and same planet is lord of 5'th

> > *and*

> > > > 8'th

> > > > > > eg -

> > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leo Asc and Merc for Aquar Asc and placed

in

> > 5'th

> > > > *or

> > > > > > > > *8'th

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered bad.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) If on and same planet is lord of 8'th

and

> > 9'th

> > > > eg -

> > > > > > > > Sat for

> > > > > > > > > > > > Gemini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Asc and placed in 9'th is not bad.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My View : Though not bad, but should not

be

> > fully

> > > > good

> > > > > > > > also,

> > > > > > > > > > > > mixed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > results we should derive.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be posting exceptions to other

houeses

> > > > also.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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