K.P. method to check whether TOB arrived at by RP method is correct or not...

January 22, 2009

Dear Pandey ji,Extending this line of thought further and incorporating Shri Ramani ji's views in reply to Mr. Dhanabalan, may I suggest also suggest (Mr. Dhanabalan has already suggested this) thatwe take up birth time rectification quiz first. Accurate birth details along with a range of time could be given for example charts along with some known events in life.

This will help beginners like me and learned astrologers alike.RegardsSunil

--- On Thu, 1/22/09, Neeraj Chowksey <chowkseyneeraj wrote:

Neeraj Chowksey <chowkseyneerajRe: Re: K.P. method to check whether TOB arrived at by RP method is correct or not... Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 7:05 AM

Dear Punitji,

The main problem in finding out or fixing correct method of BTR is that , who will confirm that the result come after rectification is true i mean to say if TOB is not taken perfectly at it's true delivery. We will only say on assumtion if events of case is matching with kundli made by corrected time.

What I feel personly that for having proved method of BTR ,we should have at least some say 25 to 50 cases with perfect birth time taken at hospital by nurse or doctor with perfectly mached time watch, considering all this cases with all available method , check wich method gives the answer(which is alreadyknown or noted at the time of birth) . This alltogether seems difficult but just an idea i am keeping & posting to forum.

Here having cases of perfect birth time can be obtain from our contact of any maternity home asking for the same for case study.

I hope you understand what I all mean to say in above , My english is not so perfect to express what I meant to say in HINDI.My english is just limited to only CIVIL Engineering.

Thanks & Regards,

Neeraj

--- On Wed, 1/21/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: K.P. method to check whether TOB arrived at by RP method is correct or not...@gro ups.comWednesday, January 21, 2009, 1:38 PM

Dear Ajoy ji,I am not aware of the Subhash ji's method. Can you please share the central idea of the method here. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 6:57 PM, ajoy s. chomaal <ajoy_matchless@ .co. in> wrote:

Dear Punit ji,Too much has been said and discussed too many times on this subject. As you rightly said, we cannot determine the correctness of any method.Having said this and also keeping in mind the fact that our Late Guruji Prof. K.S. Krishnamurti had elaborately considered ruling Planets to rectify the birth time, i have been using the method practiced by respected Mr.Subhash Ektare ji. His method is quiet convincing and i have found it correct in almost all of my cases requiring BTR. The same can be found in the April 2008 issue of Astrovision magazine.regards,AJOY --- On Wed, 21/1/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: K.P. method to check whether TOB arrived at by RP method is correct or not... @gro ups.comWednesday, 21 January, 2009, 4:16 PM

Dear Sunaparantha ji,There is nothing like Punit's BTR method. I was kidding to communicate that even if I create one, there is no way to disprove it. Without any verification method, we can not determine the correctness of any method. Especially KP has no rules related to sub-sub, so astrologically we can not know whether the resultant time is correct or not. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:

Dear Punit ji.I appreciate yr great works at all times.The good news I heard today is "I create a new method of birth time rectification (Punit's method of BTR)So can we too see the method?Sunaparantha

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) . com>@gro ups.com

Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:54:48 PM Re: K.P. method to check whether TOB arrived at by RP method is correct or not...

Dear Lajmi ji,I am aware of this method and I am also aware of the dispute on Moon-Ascendant connection method. There is also a statistical research in this forum which disproves it. Though in my opinion, without knowing practical application of sub-sub, there is no way to check the correctness practically. Let me put it this way, suppose I create a new method of birth time rectification (Punit's method of BTR) where I say that Sun's star lord and sub-lord must appear as the sub-lord and sub-sub lord of the ascendant. I claim that it is correct. Now how you will prove or disprove it? This is I mean by a method of practical verification.Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Dear Punit,

If the TOB arrived at by using the RP method,(or any other method), there certainly is a method to check whether the TOB arrived at, is correct or not...

The Moon's star-lord and sub-lord must appear as the sub-lord and sub-sublord of the Ascendant... if the Ascendant is correct...

(Ref: K.P. & Astrology,Part II. by late Shri M.P. Shanmugham & Edited by Mr.K.Subramaniam.)

The Lagna-sub should tell the birth-star of the native...is the rule...if Rahu/Kethu happen to be the agent of the star-lord of the native, then,the Lagna-sublord in whose star it is,that star should be connected to Rahu/Kethu.. .says the late Mr.Shanmugham. ...

At least,as for me, I follow this method to check whether a Chart cast is correct or not...so far,I've been getting quite accurate and correct results...also one can even fine-tune the TOB...upto the sub-sub level or,in other words to the second...!

With kind regards,

L.Y.Rao.

GOOD LUCK !

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) . com>@gro ups.com

Tuesday, 20 January, 2009 11:28:26 PMRe: Re: female and male chart how?

Dear Friends, Seeing differences in calculations, ayanamsa, and not using precise latitude, geocentric vs. geographic latitude etc., taking sub-sub for cuspal positions in predictions seems a little bit risky to me.. Also though KP uses Placidus house system, there is controversy among westerns for using it for higher latitudes. Also unavailability of any reliable method for verification of birth time adds confusion to that. In my opinion, though, it is OK to take sub-sub for the planetary positions.. Sub-sub is also OK for BTR, because the process is already documented.. Having said that, still there is no method for verification for the sub-sub that comes out using RP based BTR. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:05 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:

Dear tw ji,the sub sub theory may be useful only in the horary but not in the Natal, as there are chances of difference in the sub sub even for a minute difference in the birth time which is very difficult to rectify! RegardsAdith

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:36 PM, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

Dr. Kar calls his sub sub theory as Kar Padhdhati, Baskaran as KB andKhullar KCIL without mixing up with KP for their own way of KP relatedtheories.If the sub sub is supposed to give better accurate prediction, why notto go further to the sub sub sub for the best accuracy?

@gro ups.com, "swami" <swami wrote:>> kondapaneni suneel <ksuneel_dhamma@ >To:<@gro ups.com>> Wednesday, 7 January, 2009 10:08:46 AM> female and male chart how?> Dear Elders, > One date of birth is given or chart is given how to discriminatewhether given is that of male or female chart? Please explain.. suniel > > > > Dear Friends,> In continuation to discussion so far on this thread; > Sometimes we miss the point. To my understanding Question afterparaphrasing was How to find sex of native from chart under study orhow to verify chart erected on birth

data confirms sex of Native?> > If this inference is correct Sub theory and Vedic astrology bothhave principles to determine sex not only from the birth chart butalso from conception chart.> In KP Literature I have come across writing by Pdt K.R.Karmentioning rules about how to judge Sex of native. And also postconception In A & A.> Just to quote :> Ref Dedicated To Learners- Beginners Events that came true. In A & AApril 1980.> # A Krishna Murti follower furnished the birth data of the lady andas per him, her birth might have taken place between 2-15 AM and 2-25AM on 19 th July 1952 which He corrected and arrived at 2 hrs 25 Mts24 sec AM IST for 87E30 and 22N30.> I took the matter for judgment on 9-6-79 at 8-45 P.M. at 85E20 and22N06....He continues to examine as per KP guide lines... using RP .> At the end of consideration of RP planets He continues:

Sub-sub isthe strongest lord and we should attach careful attention to this insuch a way that its star lord should be posited in the sign whichshould be a female sign (the case is for female birth) ...> Further his argument was, The sub- sub lord of the lagna (Ascendant)will decide whether the native is a male born or a female born,> It is true that on the basis of RP we can select the sub- sub toarrive at the conclusion that may not always be correct.> In ruling planets, lords of Sub- sub may be one but in Birth chartlord of sub -sub may be different.> (for example, suppose we wisely selected planet A as Sub- sub lordbecause he is posited in the star of planet B who is posited in therequired Rasi but while birth chart is erected A may not be positedin the star of B , He may have shifted to some other Rasi which is notrequired one .This we should carefully bear in mind) > Whether

consideration of Saturn sub- sub is justified or not can beverified from the birth chart when we will erect her cusp andplanetary positions. > * To determine the sex of native, sub- sub lord of Ascendant laganis to be examined. The sub -sub lord of the lagan is Say a Planet SATand SAT is posited at Virgo - kanya and SAT is a female rasi butSAT s occupancy in the female sign is not the final determinantfactor. Star position of the planet in stellar method is to be takenin to deep consideration. Saturn is posited in the star of Moon who isposited in the female sign of Taurus- Rishaba. So we can say thatnative is a female one.> I appreciate The Answer given by Sri Lajmi ji and agree to ShriK.P.Naidu if any rule applies Reverse may also be true (barring a fewunknown parameters ) as its application is discussed in example quotedabove.> Although I could not understand>if not, correct it

is as per KPmethod < in the statement of Shri lajmi ji.> I hope Now Hard liner will say That Pdt Kar was not in KP Astrology.> May be who knows.> Lastly every body knows lagan is fastest so with time, Sub-sub willalso be very fast and Star lord is also going to change, I want tounderstand why this theory is untouchable?> With regards.> > R.C.Srivastava. .> swami

> Past mails summary.> > By the way rule was > * Yogesh Rao Lajmi Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 7:53 PM DearSuneel,> If the TOB given is the exact one, (if not, correct it as per K.Pmethod). Then, pl. follow the method given by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar : "If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in astar, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of amale child... if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child...."> So far, I have found this method extremelyaccurate... L.Y.Rao.> * K. P. Naidu konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in o: @gro ups.com> Thursday, 8 January, 2009 9:44:54 PM> Dear sri Rao garu, > If the method of sri Gondhalekar for ascertaining the gender of thenative of the given chart, proved correct, can we confirm that thechart is correct and the Birth Date is correct. In other wards, can weuse this Gondhalekar; s method to rectify/correct the Birth Time ? Regards. K. P. Naidu, Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta, VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.> * Personally,I use the method given in Astrosecrets & K..P byMr.K.Subramaniam and the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham, Part II....but Iinclude the sub and sub-sub also to fine-tune the TOB...but, sometimes,rarely though, this method does not seem practicable, in that case Iuse the Ruling Planets method described in the same book...>

It is well to remember that, ifthe Ascendant's sub lord and the sub-sub lord appear to the same asthe st.-lord and sub-lord of the Moon...such a TOB arrived at, isexact to the minute...> * K. P. Naidu Friday, 9 January, 2009, 10:19 PM> Dear sri Rao Garu, > I am sorry, the matter is deviated. I have not referred Shanmugam'smethod nor RP method. Some reader in this forum raised query "How toto acertain the gender of the native of a given chart - whether of amale or female ? ". You have replied Gondhalekar' s method - If theAscendant's sub lord's sub lord's star lord falls in a male sign thenative of the given chart is Male, if falls in female sign the nativeis female child. All this holds good, if the Birth Time is correct.> You

said the above Gondhalekar' s method will work only when theBirth Time of the chart is correct.> I, therefore, asked you in my previous message, whether the abovemethod works in reverse order to rectify Birth Time. i.e., if sriGondhalekar' s method gives correct result, can we consider Birth Timeis correct ? If yes, this method can be used for BTR. > Hope now I am clear.. Regards.> * This theory should be taken with a pinch of salt. There may beperiods when all the planets happen to occupy either male or femalesigns for up to 2¼ days. For example, from 12-10-2009 2 a...m.approximately to 14-10-2009 approx 3.30 a.m. about over 2 days, allthe planets will occupy female signs. Can it be possible that all thebirths during these 2 days would be only girls worldwide? > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > * Dear Mehta In the male sign, the first fifteen degrees are maleand the next

fifteen degrees are female and vice versa for female sign. > Dhanabalan > * The theory, untested should be taken with not "a pinch", but witha Pail of salt> raichur anant mumbai> * Agreed... And, I thnik that KP does not recognize this theory. > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta>

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January 22, 2009

Dear Baskar ji,With regard to the Quiz 1 analysis You can go through my analysis on the Quiz 1, you can find it in Sunaparatha ji's file. . We can find role of sub lord. But yet I could see most of us trying to find some more reason for the mis judgement.

RegardsAdith On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Dear Sagar ji,

If You can fix the correct ascendant with the study and observations of the influence of aspects, then I would say thats great and wonderful, and I submite that I cannot even dream of doing so.

But all the same when people talk of sub Lords, and SubSubLords and SubSubSubLords, then I wonder what difference could these next 2 levels make to the prediction, apart from the predictions given through the Sub Lord.

For instance, if I wonder what difference would be there in the predictions for our Quiz No. 1

Mer: signifies 2 in sub of ven (signifies 9). ven also sub lord of 2 & 6Ket: signifies 2 & 8 in the sub of jup (signifies 8 & 9)

Moon: signifies 8 & 12 in the sub of ven ( signifies 9) She got a surgical treatment done ( this was the correct analysis done by Mr. Ajay in the Quiz using above Sub lords.)

Can You or anyone else advocating subsequent levels of sublords, explain me, what is the difference going to be in the above prediction if we add the undermentioned to the above equations given by Shri Ajoy ? -

SubSubLord to Mercury, SubSubLord to Ketu, SubSubLord to Moon, in the above equations ?

AND, Also

SubSubSub Lords to Mercury, Ketu and the Moons in the above equations ?

regards,

Bhaskar.

, Sagar S <ssagar86 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar> Instead of New , i would like to say little addition or little improvement along with the same techniques.

> I made rectification of Birth time of KP follower Mr.Pundarish in Mysore and at the the time BTR Moon reflects my mind and I concluded that aspects of Mars on Venus and I fixed his Birth time will be 3 hrs 6 mts 53 seconds.

> Mr.Pundareesh replyed : " Your calculation is 100% correct , my birth time is 3 hrs 7 minits " > In case of Mikhail Gorbachev too i got succeed in fixing the exact Birth time and Gorbachevs Mars dasha started on 18th August 1991 on the same day he was house arrested and he lost the position as Mars signifies 12th strongly.

> Regards> Sahhasra Saagara> > --- On Wed, 21/1/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish Re: K.P. method to check whether TOB arrived at by RP method is correct or not...

> > Wednesday, 21 January, 2009, 10:07 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Sagarji,

> > I said That " could have also made us learn some new techniques " .> > Here I mean explicitly l that I am not interested in learning this> technique. I am quite satisfied with Original KP. without any further

> corruptions.> > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > @gro ups.com, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>

> wrote:> >> >> > Dear Sagar ji,> >> > // 1. BTR can be check by the dasha bhukti antara periods for the 9th> > cusp which should have link of 2,5,11 th houses that is the birth of

> > native and its lagna sign lord,star lord and sub/sub-sub lords one way> > or the other will have link.> > 2. Yes, if we go one/two steps further that is sp to sub-sub-sub> cuspal> > sub-sub-sub level and dasha bhukti antara sookshma prana and deha

> > periods as well as planets positions of sub-sub-sub level. // The> > above is too far fetched and unpalatable. This cannot be done> > successfully, and no one can prove that the resultant conclusion would

> > be the right one arrived at. From the above, mostly all the planets (> > And they number only 9 ) will come in picture, and any body on> > postmartem can connect the findings to all these planets and say that

> > he has got the right answer or the right time of Birth. A few examples> > and illustrations given with the above , could have confirmed that you> > are yourself satisfied with the above, and could have also made us

> learn> > some new techniques. regards/Bhaskar.> >> > @gro ups.com, Sagar S ssagar86@ wrote:> > >> > > Hi Friends

> > > 1. BTR can be check by the dasha bhukti antara periods for the 9th> > cusp which should have link of 2,5,11 th houses that is the birth of> > native and its lagna sign lord,star lord and sub/sub-sub lords one way

> > or the other will have link.> > > 2. Yes, if we go one/two steps further that is sp to sub-sub-sub> > cuspal sub-sub-sub level and dasha bhukti antara sookshma prana and> deha> > periods as well as planets positions of sub-sub-sub level.

> > > Ã‚> > > My lagna lord is Saturn.star lord is jupiter and sub lord is Saturn> > and Moon at Venus sign , Jupiter star and Saturn sub .> > > Ã‚

> > > Lagna star and Moon star lord is Jupiter and Moon sub lord is Saturn> > and lagna sign lord is Saturn .> > > Ã‚> > > But, i am the 2nd issue to my parents and 2,5,11th houses indicates

> > first child.> > > Ã‚> > > Further research will help in developping in the same> > > Ã‚> > > SP KHULLLAR's CIL truely helps in such cases i feel.

> > > K.Bhaskaran' s books also very good , i am in little cifussion in the> > same and mostly in a short period i will get the correct explanations.> > > Sahhasra Saagara> > >

> > > --- On Wed, 21/1/09, adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ wrote:> > >> > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@> > > Re: Re: K.P. method to check whether TOB

> arrived> > at by RP method is correct or not...> > > @gro ups.com> > > Wednesday, 21 January, 2009, 1:49 PM

> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear L.Y.Rao ji,> > >> > > Thanks for valuable input!> > >

> > > Regards> > > Adith> > >> > >> > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) > > co.in> wrote:

> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Punit,> > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> Ã‚> > Ã‚ Ã‚ If the TOB arrived at by using the RP method,(or any other> > method),Ã‚ there certainly is a method to check whether the TOB> > arrived at, is correct or not...

> > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚> Ã‚> > Ã‚ Ã‚ The Moon's star-lord and sub-lord must appear as the> sub-lord> > and sub-sublord of the Ascendant... if the Ascendant is correct...

> > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ (Ref: K.P. & Astrology,Part II.Ã‚ by late Shri M.P.> > Shanmugham & Edited by Mr.K.Subramaniam. )> > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> Ã‚> > Ã‚ Ã‚ The Lagna-sub should tell the birth-star of the native...is> > the rule...if Rahu/Kethu happen to be the agent of the star-lord of> the> > native, then,the Lagna-sublord in whose star it is,that star should be

> > connected to Rahu/Kethu.. .says the late Mr.Shanmugham. ...> > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚> Ã‚> > Ã‚ Ã‚ At least,as for me, I follow this method to check whether a

> > Chart cast is correct or not...so far,I've been getting quite accurate> > and correct results...also one can even fine-tune the TOB...upto the> > sub-sub level or,in other words to the second...!

> > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚> Ã‚> > Ã‚ Ã‚ With kind regards,> > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚> Ã‚> > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ L.Y.Rao.> > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> Ã‚> > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚> > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚> > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ GOOD LUCK !> > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚> > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> Ã‚> > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Punit Pandey punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Tuesday, 20 January, 2009 11:28:26 PM> > > Re: Re: female and male chart how?> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Friends,

> > >> > > Seeing differences in calculations, ayanamsa, and not using precise> > latitude, geocentric vs. geographic latitude etc., taking sub-sub for> > cuspal positions in predictions seems a little bit risky to me. Also

> > though KP uses Placidus house system, there is controversy among> > westerns for using it for higher latitudes. Also unavailability of any> > reliable method for verification of birth time adds confusion to that.

> > >> > > In my opinion, though, it is OK to take sub-sub for the planetary> > positions. Sub-sub is also OK for BTR, because the process is already> > documented. Having said that, still there is no method for

> verification> > for the sub-sub that comes out using RP based BTR.> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >

> > >> > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:05 PM, adith kasinath.g.k> <gkadithkasinath@> > gmail.com> wrote:> > >> > >

> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear tw ji,> > >> > > the sub sub theory may be useful only in the horary but not in the> > Natal, as there are chances of difference in the sub sub even for a

> > minute difference in the birth time which is very difficult to> rectify!> > >> > > Regards> > > Adith> > >> > >> > >> > >

> > >> > >> > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:36 PM, tw853 tw853 > wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

> > > Dr. Kar calls his sub sub theory as Kar Padhdhati, Baskaran as KB> and> > > Khullar KCIL without mixing up with KP for their own way of KP> related> > > theories.

> > >> > > If the sub sub is supposed to give better accurate prediction, why> not> > > to go further to the sub sub sub for the best accuracy?> > >> > >

> > >> > >> > > @gro ups.com, " swami " swami@ wrote:> > > >> > > > kondapaneni suneel <ksuneel_dhamma@ >

> > > To:@ gro ups.com>> > > > Wednesday, 7 January, 2009 10:08:46 AM> > > > female and male chart how?

> > > > Dear Elders,Ã‚> > > > One date of birth is given or chart is given how to discriminate> > > whether given is that of male or female chart? Please explain..

> suniel> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Friends,> > > > In continuation to discussion so far on this thread;> > > > Sometimes we miss the point. To my understanding Question after

> > > paraphrasing was How to find sex of native from chart under study or> > > how to verify chart erected on birth data confirms sex of Native?> > > >> > > > If this inference is correct Sub theory and Vedic astrology both

> > > have principles to determine sex not only from the birth chart but> > > also from conception chart.> > > > In KP Literature I have come across writing by Pdt K.R.Kar> > > mentioning rules about how to judge Sex of native. And also post

> > > conception In A & A.> > > > Just to quote :> > > > Ref Dedicated To Learners- Beginners Events that came true. In A & A> > > April 1980.> > > > # A Krishna Murti follower furnished the birth data of the lady

> and> > > as per him, her birth might have taken place between 2-15 AM and> 2-25> > > AM on 19 th July 1952 which He corrected and arrived at 2 hrs 25 Mts> > > 24 sec AM IST for 87E30 and 22N30.

> > > > I took the matter for judgment on 9-6-79 at 8-45 P.M. at 85E20 and> > > 22N06....He continues to examine as per KP guide lines... using RP .> > > > At the end of consideration of RP planets He continues: Sub-sub is

> > > the strongest lord and we should attach careful attention to this in> > > such a way that its star lord should be posited in the sign which> > > should be a female sign (the case is for female birth) ...

> > > > Further his argument was, The sub- sub lord of the lagna> (Ascendant)> > > will decide whether the native is a male born or a female born,> > > > It is true that on the basis of RP we can select the sub- sub to

> > > arrive at the conclusion that may not always be correct.> > > > In ruling planets, lords of Sub- sub may be one but in Birth chart> > > lord of sub -sub may be different.> > > > (for example, suppose we wisely selected planet A as Sub- sub lord

> > > because he is posited in the star of planet B who is posited in the> > > required Rasi but while birth chart is erected A may not be posited> > > in the star of B , He may have shifted to some other Rasi which is

> not> > > required one .This we should carefully bear in mind)> > > > Whether consideration of Saturn sub- sub is justified or not can> be> > > verified from the birth chart when we will erect her cusp and

> > > planetary positions.> > > > * To determine the sex of native, sub- sub lord of Ascendant lagan> > > is to be examined. The sub -sub lord of the lagan is Say a Planet> SAT

> > > and SAT is posited at Virgo - kanya and SAT is a female rasi but> > > SAT s occupancy in the female sign is not the final determinant> > > factor. Star position of the planet in stellar method is to be taken

> > > in to deep consideration. Saturn is posited in the star of Moon who> is> > > posited in the female sign of Taurus- Rishaba. So we can say that> > > native is a female one.

> > > > I appreciate The Answer given by Sri Lajmi ji and agree to Shri> > > K.P.Naidu if any rule applies Reverse may also be true (barring a> few> > > unknown parameters ) as its application is discussed in example

> quoted> > > above.> > > > Although I could not understand>if not, correct it is as per KP> > > method < in the statement of Shri lajmi ji.> > > > I hope Now Hard liner will say That Pdt Kar was not in KP

> Astrology.> > > > May be who knows.> > > > Lastly every body knows lagan is fastest so with time, Sub-sub> will> > > also be very fast and Star lord is also going to change, I want to

> > > understand why this theory is untouchable?> > > > With regards.> > > >> > > > R.C.Srivastava. .> > > > swami@> > >> > >

> > >> > > > Past mails summary.> > > >> > > > By the way rule was> > > > * Yogesh Rao Lajmi Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 7:53 PM Dear> > > Suneel,

> > > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ If the TOB given is the exact one, (if not, correct> > it as per K.P> > > method). Then, pl. follow the method given by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar

> :> > > Ã‚ " If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited> in> > a> > > star, whose lord isÃ‚ situated in a male sign then the chart is of> a

> > > male child...Ã‚ if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female> > child... " > > > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚> > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ So far, I have found this method

> extremely> > > accurate...Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚> > L.Y.Rao.> > > > * K. P. Naidu konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in o: @gro

> ups.com> > > > Thursday, 8 January, 2009 9:44:54 PM> > > > Dear sri Rao garu, Ã‚> > > > If the method of sri Gondhalekar for ascertaining the gender of

> the> > > native of the given chart, proved correct, can we confirm that the> > > chart is correct and the Birth Date is correct. In other wards, can> we> > > use this Gondhalekar; s method to rectify/correct the Birth Time ?

> > > Regards. K. P. Naidu, Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., Nowroji Road,> > > Maharanipeta, VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.> > > > * Personally,I use the method given inÃ‚ Ã‚ Astrosecrets &

> > K.PÃ‚ by> > > Mr.K.Subramaniam and the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham, Part II...but I> > > include the sub and sub-sub also to fine-tune the TOB...but,> sometimes

> > > ,rarely though, this method does not seem practicable, in that case> I> > > use the Ruling Planets method described in the same book...> > > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ It is well to> > remember that, if> > > theÃ‚ Ascendant's sub lord and the sub-sub lord appear to the same> > as> > > the st.-lord and sub-lord of the Moon...such a TOBÃ‚ arrived at,

> is> > > exact to the minute...> > > > * K. P. Naidu Friday, 9 January, 2009, 10:19 PM> > > > Dear sri Rao Garu, Ã‚> > > > I am sorry, the matter is deviated. I have not referred

> Shanmugam's> > > method nor RP method. Some reader in this forum raised query " How to> > > to acertain the gender of the native of a given chart - whether of a> > > male or female ? " . You have replied Gondhalekar' s method - If the

> > > Ascendant's sub lord's sub lord's star lord falls in a male sign the> > > native of the given chart is Male, if falls in female sign the> native> > > is female child. All this holds good, if the Birth Time is correct.

> > > > You said the above Gondhalekar' s method will work only when the> > > Birth Time of the chart is correct.> > > > I, therefore, asked you in my previous message, whether the above

> > > method works in reverse orderÃ‚ to rectify Birth Time. i.e., if> sri> > > Gondhalekar' s method gives correct result, can we consider Birth> Time

> > > is correct ? If yes, this method can be usedÃ‚ for BTR.Ã‚> > > > Hope now I am clear. Regards.> > > > * This theory should be taken with a pinch of salt. There may be

> > > periods when all the planets happen to occupy either male or female> > > signs for up to 2Ã‚Â¼ days. For example, from 12-10-2009 2 a...m.> > > approximately to 14-10-2009 approx 3.30 a.m. about over 2 days, all

> > > the planets will occupy female signs. Can it be possible that all> the> > > births during these 2 days would be only girls worldwide?> > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta.> > > > * Dear Mehta In the male sign, the first fifteen degrees are male

> > > and the next fifteen degrees are female and vice versa for female> > sign.> > > > DhanabalanÃ‚> > > > * The theory, untested should be taken with not " a pinch " , but

> with> > > a Pail of salt> > > > raichur anant mumbai> > > > * Agreed. And, I thnik that KP does not recognize this theory.> > > >> > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta

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January 22, 2009

Dear Adithji,

We are not talking about anybodys analysis here being a misjudgement.

You seem to miss a simple point. I am talking about the role of sub-sub

Lords and next levels, while you are talking about your analysis being

there in Sunaparathas file etc. about which there is no talk in my mail.

I am talking to the players who use Sub Sub Lords , as to what

difference could be made by using SubSubLords,to anyones prediction

which has been proved right, ,while you are talking tangent.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " adith kasinath.g.k "

<gkadithkasinath wrote:

>

> Dear Baskar ji,

>

> With regard to the Quiz 1 analysis

> You can go through my analysis on the Quiz 1, you can find it in

Sunaparatha

> ji's file. . We can find role of sub lord. But yet I could see most of

us

> trying to find some more reason for the mis judgement.

>

> Regards

> Adith

>

> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotishwrote:

>

> > Dear Sagar ji,

> >

> > If You can fix the correct ascendant with the study and observations

of the

> > influence of aspects, then I would say thats great and wonderful,

and I

> > submite that I cannot even dream of doing so.

> >

> > But all the same when people talk of sub Lords, and SubSubLords and

> > SubSubSubLords, then I wonder what difference could these next 2

levels make

> > to the prediction, apart from the predictions given through the Sub

Lord.

> >

> > For instance, if I wonder what difference would be there in the

predictions

> > for our Quiz No. 1

> >

> > Mer: signifies 2 in sub of ven (signifies 9). ven also sub lord of 2

& 6

> > Ket: signifies 2 & 8 in the sub of jup (signifies 8 & 9)

> > Moon: signifies 8 & 12 in the sub of ven ( signifies 9)

> >

> > She got a surgical treatment done ( this was the correct analysis

done by

> > Mr. Ajay in the Quiz using above Sub lords.)

> >

> > *Can You or anyone else advocating subsequent levels of sublords,

explain

> > me, what is the difference going to be in the above prediction if we

add

> > the undermentioned to the above equations given by Shri Ajoy ? - *

> >

> > SubSubLord to Mercury, SubSubLord to Ketu, SubSubLord to Moon, in

the above

> > equations ?

> >

> > *AND, Also *

> >

> > SubSubSub Lords to Mercury, Ketu and the Moons in the above

equations ?

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , Sagar S ssagar86@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar

> > > Instead of New , i would like to say little addition or little

> > improvement along with the same techniques.

> > > I made rectification of Birth time of KP follower Mr.Pundarish in

Mysore

> > and at the the time BTR Moon reflects my mind and I concluded that

aspects

> > of Mars on Venus and I fixed his Birth time will be 3 hrs 6 mts 53

seconds.

> > > Mr.Pundareesh replyed : " Your calculation is 100% correct , my

birth time

> > is 3 hrs 7 minits "

> > > In case of Mikhail Gorbachev too i got succeed in fixing the exact

Birth

> > time and Gorbachevs Mars dasha started on 18th August 1991 on the

same day

> > he was house arrested and he lost the position as Mars signifies

12th

> > strongly.

> > > Regards

> > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > >

> > > --- On Wed, 21/1/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

> >

> > > Re: K.P. method to check whether TOB arrived

at by

> > RP method is correct or not...

> > >

> > > Wednesday, 21 January, 2009, 10:07 PM

> > >

> > > Dear Sagarji,

> > >

> > > I said That " could have also made us learn some new techniques " .

> > >

> > > Here I mean explicitly l that I am not interested in learning this

> > > technique. I am quite satisfied with Original KP. without any

further

> > > corruptions.

> > >

> > > best wishes,

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@

....>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sagar ji,

> > > >

> > > > // 1. BTR can be check by the dasha bhukti antara periods for

the 9th

> > > > cusp which should have link of 2,5,11 th houses that is the

birth of

> > > > native and its lagna sign lord,star lord and sub/sub-sub lords

one way

> > > > or the other will have link.

> > > > 2. Yes, if we go one/two steps further that is sp to sub-sub-sub

> > > cuspal

> > > > sub-sub-sub level and dasha bhukti antara sookshma prana and

deha

> > > > periods as well as planets positions of sub-sub-sub level. //

The

> > > > above is too far fetched and unpalatable. This cannot be done

> > > > successfully, and no one can prove that the resultant conclusion

would

> > > > be the right one arrived at. From the above, mostly all the

planets (

> > > > And they number only 9 ) will come in picture, and any body on

> > > > postmartem can connect the findings to all these planets and say

that

> > > > he has got the right answer or the right time of Birth. A few

examples

> > > > and illustrations given with the above , could have confirmed

that you

> > > > are yourself satisfied with the above, and could have also made

us

> > > learn

> > > > some new techniques. regards/Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, Sagar S ssagar86@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Friends

> > > > > 1. BTR can be check by the dasha bhukti antara periods for the

9th

> > > > cusp which should have link of 2,5,11 th houses that is the

birth of

> > > > native and its lagna sign lord,star lord and sub/sub-sub lords

one way

> > > > or the other will have link.

> > > > > 2. Yes, if we go one/two steps further that is sp to

sub-sub-sub

> > > > cuspal sub-sub-sub level and dasha bhukti antara sookshma prana

and

> > > deha

> > > > periods as well as planets positions of sub-sub-sub level.

> > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > My lagna lord is Saturn.star lord is jupiter and sub lord is

Saturn

> > > > and Moon at Venus sign , Jupiter star and Saturn sub .

> > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > Lagna star and Moon star lord is Jupiter and Moon sub lord is

Saturn

> > > > and lagna sign lord is Saturn .

> > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > But, i am the 2nd issue to my parents and 2,5,11th houses

indicates

> > > > first child.

> > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > Further research will help in developping in the same

> > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > SP KHULLLAR's CIL truely helps in such cases i feel.

> > > > > K.Bhaskaran' s books also very good , i am in little cifussion

in the

> > > > same and mostly in a short period i will get the correct

explanations.

> > > > > Sahhasra Saagara

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Wed, 21/1/09, adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@

> > > > > Re: Re: K.P. method to check whether TOB

> > > arrived

> > > > at by RP method is correct or not...

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Wednesday, 21 January, 2009, 1:49 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear L.Y.Rao ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for valuable input!

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Adith

> > > > >

> > > > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Yogesh Rao Lajmi

lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT)

> > > > co.in> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Punit,

> > > > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> > > Ã‚

> > > > Ã‚ Ã‚ If the TOB arrived at by using the RP method,(or

any other

> > > > method),Ã‚ there certainly is a method to check whether the

TOB

> > > > arrived at, is correct or not...

> > > > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> > > Ã‚

> > > > Ã‚ Ã‚ The Moon's star-lord and sub-lord must appear as

the

> > > sub-lord

> > > > and sub-sublord of the Ascendant... if the Ascendant is

correct...

> > > > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ (Ref: K.P. & Astrology,Part II.Ã‚ by

late Shri M.P.

> > > > Shanmugham & Edited by Mr.K.Subramaniam. )

> > > > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> > > Ã‚

> > > > Ã‚ Ã‚ The Lagna-sub should tell the birth-star of the

native...is

> > > > the rule...if Rahu/Kethu happen to be the agent of the star-lord

of

> > > the

> > > > native, then,the Lagna-sublord in whose star it is,that star

should be

> > > > connected to Rahu/Kethu.. .says the late Mr.Shanmugham. ...

> > > > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> > > Ã‚

> > > > Ã‚ Ã‚ At least,as for me, I follow this method to check

whether a

> > > > Chart cast is correct or not...so far,I've been getting quite

accurate

> > > > and correct results...also one can even fine-tune the TOB...upto

the

> > > > sub-sub level or,in other words to the second...!

> > > > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> > > Ã‚

> > > > Ã‚ Ã‚ With kind regards,

> > > > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> > > Ã‚

> > > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ L.Y.Rao.

> > > > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> > > Ã‚

> > > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> > > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> > > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ GOOD LUCK !

> > > > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> > > > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> > > Ã‚

> > > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Tuesday, 20 January, 2009 11:28:26 PM

> > > > > Re: Re: female and male chart how?

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > Seeing differences in calculations, ayanamsa, and not using

precise

> > > > latitude, geocentric vs. geographic latitude etc., taking

sub-sub for

> > > > cuspal positions in predictions seems a little bit risky to me.

Also

> > > > though KP uses Placidus house system, there is controversy among

> > > > westerns for using it for higher latitudes. Also unavailability

of any

> > > > reliable method for verification of birth time adds confusion to

that.

> > > > >

> > > > > In my opinion, though, it is OK to take sub-sub for the

planetary

> > > > positions. Sub-sub is also OK for BTR, because the process is

already

> > > > documented. Having said that, still there is no method for

> > > verification

> > > > for the sub-sub that comes out using RP based BTR.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >

> > > > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:05 PM, adith kasinath.g.k

> > > <gkadithkasinath@

> > > > gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear tw ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > the sub sub theory may be useful only in the horary but not in

the

> > > > Natal, as there are chances of difference in the sub sub even

for a

> > > > minute difference in the birth time which is very difficult to

> > > rectify!

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Adith

> > > > >

> > > > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:36 PM, tw853 tw853 >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dr. Kar calls his sub sub theory as Kar Padhdhati, Baskaran as

KB

> > > and

> > > > > Khullar KCIL without mixing up with KP for their own way of KP

> > > related

> > > > > theories.

> > > > >

> > > > > If the sub sub is supposed to give better accurate prediction,

why

> > > not

> > > > > to go further to the sub sub sub for the best accuracy?

> > > > >

> > > > > @gro ups.com, " swami " swami@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kondapaneni suneel <ksuneel_dhamma@ >

> > > > > To:@ gro ups.com>

> > > > > > Wednesday, 7 January, 2009 10:08:46 AM

> > > > > > female and male chart how?

> > > > > > Dear Elders,Ã‚

> >

> > > > > > One date of birth is given or chart is given how to

discriminate

> > > > > whether given is that of male or female chart? Please

explain..

> > > suniel

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > In continuation to discussion so far on this thread;

> > > > > > Sometimes we miss the point. To my understanding Question

after

> > > > > paraphrasing was How to find sex of native from chart under

study or

> > > > > how to verify chart erected on birth data confirms sex of

Native?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If this inference is correct Sub theory and Vedic astrology

both

> > > > > have principles to determine sex not only from the birth chart

but

> > > > > also from conception chart.

> > > > > > In KP Literature I have come across writing by Pdt K.R.Kar

> > > > > mentioning rules about how to judge Sex of native. And also

post

> > > > > conception In A & A.

> > > > > > Just to quote :

> > > > > > Ref Dedicated To Learners- Beginners Events that came true.

In A & A

> > > > > April 1980.

> > > > > > # A Krishna Murti follower furnished the birth data of the

lady

> > > and

> > > > > as per him, her birth might have taken place between 2-15 AM

and

> > > 2-25

> > > > > AM on 19 th July 1952 which He corrected and arrived at 2 hrs

25 Mts

> > > > > 24 sec AM IST for 87E30 and 22N30.

> > > > > > I took the matter for judgment on 9-6-79 at 8-45 P.M. at

85E20 and

> > > > > 22N06....He continues to examine as per KP guide lines...

using RP .

> > > > > > At the end of consideration of RP planets He continues:

Sub-sub is

> > > > > the strongest lord and we should attach careful attention to

this in

> > > > > such a way that its star lord should be posited in the sign

which

> > > > > should be a female sign (the case is for female birth) ...

> > > > > > Further his argument was, The sub- sub lord of the lagna

> > > (Ascendant)

> > > > > will decide whether the native is a male born or a female

born,

> > > > > > It is true that on the basis of RP we can select the sub-

sub to

> > > > > arrive at the conclusion that may not always be correct.

> > > > > > In ruling planets, lords of Sub- sub may be one but in Birth

chart

> > > > > lord of sub -sub may be different.

> > > > > > (for example, suppose we wisely selected planet A as Sub-

sub lord

> > > > > because he is posited in the star of planet B who is posited

in the

> > > > > required Rasi but while birth chart is erected A may not be

posited

> > > > > in the star of B , He may have shifted to some other Rasi

which is

> > > not

> > > > > required one .This we should carefully bear in mind)

> > > > > > Whether consideration of Saturn sub- sub is justified or not

can

> > > be

> > > > > verified from the birth chart when we will erect her cusp and

> > > > > planetary positions.

> > > > > > * To determine the sex of native, sub- sub lord of Ascendant

lagan

> > > > > is to be examined. The sub -sub lord of the lagan is Say a

Planet

> > > SAT

> > > > > and SAT is posited at Virgo - kanya and SAT is a female rasi

but

> > > > > SAT s occupancy in the female sign is not the final

determinant

> > > > > factor. Star position of the planet in stellar method is to be

taken

> > > > > in to deep consideration. Saturn is posited in the star of

Moon who

> > > is

> > > > > posited in the female sign of Taurus- Rishaba. So we can say

that

> > > > > native is a female one.

> > > > > > I appreciate The Answer given by Sri Lajmi ji and agree to

Shri

> > > > > K.P.Naidu if any rule applies Reverse may also be true

(barring a

> > > few

> > > > > unknown parameters ) as its application is discussed in

example

> > > quoted

> > > > > above.

> > > > > > Although I could not understand>if not, correct it is as per

KP

> > > > > method < in the statement of Shri lajmi ji.

> > > > > > I hope Now Hard liner will say That Pdt Kar was not in KP

> > > Astrology.

> > > > > > May be who knows.

> > > > > > Lastly every body knows lagan is fastest so with time,

Sub-sub

> > > will

> > > > > also be very fast and Star lord is also going to change, I

want to

> > > > > understand why this theory is untouchable?

> > > > > > With regards.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > R.C.Srivastava. .

> > > > > > swami@

> > > > >

> > > > > > Past mails summary.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > By the way rule was

> > > > > > * Yogesh Rao Lajmi Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 7:53 PM

Dear

> > > > > Suneel,

> > > > > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ If the TOB given is the exact one, (if

not, correct

> > > > it as per K.P

> > > > > method). Then, pl. follow the method given by Mr. Sunil

Gondhalekar

> > > :

> > > > > Ã‚ " If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if

posited

> > > in

> > > > a

> > > > > star, whose lord isÃ‚ situated in a male sign then the

chart is of

> > > a

> > > > > male child...Ã‚ if in a female sign, then the chart is of

a female

> > > > child... "

> > > > > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> > > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ So far, I have found

this method

> > > extremely

> > > > > accurate...Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> > > > L.Y.Rao.

> > > > > > * K. P. Naidu konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in o: @gro

> > > ups.com

> > > > > > Thursday, 8 January, 2009 9:44:54 PM

> > > > > > Dear sri Rao garu, Ã‚

> > > > > > If the method of sri Gondhalekar for ascertaining the gender

of

> > > the

> > > > > native of the given chart, proved correct, can we confirm that

the

> > > > > chart is correct and the Birth Date is correct. In other

wards, can

> > > we

> > > > > use this Gondhalekar; s method to rectify/correct the Birth

Time ?

> > > > > Regards. K. P. Naidu, Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., Nowroji Road,

> > > > > Maharanipeta, VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.

> > > > > > * Personally,I use the method given inÃ‚ Ã‚

Astrosecrets &

> > > > K.PÃ‚ by

> > > > > Mr.K.Subramaniam and the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham, Part

II...but I

> > > > > include the sub and sub-sub also to fine-tune the TOB...but,

> > > sometimes

> > > > > ,rarely though, this method does not seem practicable, in that

case

> > > I

> > > > > use the Ruling Planets method described in the same book...

> > > > > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> > > > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

Ã‚ It is well to

> > > > remember that, if

> > > > > theÃ‚ Ascendant's sub lord and the sub-sub lord appear to

the same

> > > > as

> > > > > the st.-lord and sub-lord of the Moon...such a TOBÃ‚

arrived at,

> > > is

> > > > > exact to the minute...

> > > > > > * K. P. Naidu Friday, 9 January, 2009, 10:19 PM

> > > > > > Dear sri Rao Garu, Ã‚

> > > > > > I am sorry, the matter is deviated. I have not referred

> > > Shanmugam's

> > > > > method nor RP method. Some reader in this forum raised query

" How to

> > > > > to acertain the gender of the native of a given chart -

whether of a

> > > > > male or female ? " . You have replied Gondhalekar' s method -

If the

> > > > > Ascendant's sub lord's sub lord's star lord falls in a male

sign the

> > > > > native of the given chart is Male, if falls in female sign the

> > > native

> > > > > is female child. All this holds good, if the Birth Time is

correct.

> > > > > > You said the above Gondhalekar' s method will work only when

the

> > > > > Birth Time of the chart is correct.

> > > > > > I, therefore, asked you in my previous message, whether the

above

> > > > > method works in reverse orderÃ‚ to rectify Birth Time.

i.e., if

> > > sri

> > > > > Gondhalekar' s method gives correct result, can we consider

Birth

> > > Time

> > > > > is correct ? If yes, this method can be usedÃ‚ for

BTR.Ã‚

> > > > > > Hope now I am clear. Regards.

> > > > > > * This theory should be taken with a pinch of salt. There

may be

> > > > > periods when all the planets happen to occupy either male or

female

> > > > > signs for up to 2Ã‚Â¼ days. For example, from 12-10-2009 2

a...m.

> > > > > approximately to 14-10-2009 approx 3.30 a.m. about over 2

days, all

> > > > > the planets will occupy female signs. Can it be possible that

all

> > > the

> > > > > births during these 2 days would be only girls worldwide?

> > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta.

> > > > > > * Dear Mehta In the male sign, the first fifteen degrees are

male

> > > > > and the next fifteen degrees are female and vice versa for

female

> > > > sign.

> > > > > > DhanabalanÃ‚

> > > > > > * The theory, untested should be taken with not " a pinch " ,

but

> > > with

> > > > > a Pail of salt

> > > > > > raichur anant mumbai

> > > > > > * Agreed. And, I thnik that KP does not recognize this

theory.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta

> > > > > >

> > > > >

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January 22, 2009

Dear Bhaskar

In my 25 years experience in astrology and KP astrology , though i got succeed in so many predictions but i failed in some predictions due to lack of knowledge in the same i feel. even a seconds counts in the cuspal sub lord and there are 9 sub-sub lords and in many cases sub-sub-sub lords play key role i feel at present situaction as population increases, education system changes/jobs are numerous.

For my chart i had predicted Mercury dasha Venus bhukti and Jupiter antara on 11th November 1992 will bring name,fame and prosperity and the same happened.

As per horary chart erected by my student Mr.sharavana regarding my longivity will under danger on 15/16th February 2005 proved very accurate and the same tallied with my natal chart Ketu/Ketu/Ketu/Moon periods.

But , i am unable to predict about success of my electro automobile project and consulted Mr.Andrew datta EST Horary answer, who predict January 2009 will be the period for success in getting financial support for the same and on 19th January 2009 one person came farward for the same.

I had predicted male issue on 28th January 1994 , but female child birth took place on 29th January 1994.

Sahhasra saagara--- On Thu, 22/1/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: K.P. method to check whether TOB arrived at by RP method is correct or not... Date: Thursday, 22 January, 2009, 3:16 PM

Dear Sagarji,// Up to Lagna cusple sub lord will be easy //If You find that easy, then what else more do You require ? People likeme are still struggling even with fixing the Cuspal SubLord many a times, if I try to match the parameters that Shri Yogeshji has given usfor actual real birth time, then on occasions I go even 30 minuteshither and thither of the recorded birth time, which is just notpossible in most of the cases.What much difference it will make to the Ascendant figures andpredictions that go alongwith, if you go to the SubSub, SubSubSub, andSubSubSubSub levels ?Dear friend a good KP astrologer should be able to predict even withjust the Cuspal SubLord level maximum, and those who go further thanthat , i suppose are trying to take out skin from the hair ( Baal kikhaal nikalna).regards,Bhaskar.@gro ups.com, Sagar S <ssagar86@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Friends> Now a days BTR becomes very confussion as now we have to fix Lagnacusple sub-sub-sub lord for the very accurate time of Birth.> Up to Lagna cusple sub lord will be easy but up to sub-sub andsub-sub-sub lord it is very difficult i feel> BTR done by me till date based on KP original ayanamsha but now a dayssoftwares gives different lagna cusple sub lords/sub-sub lords indifference softwares.> Ã‚> Sahhasra Saagara>> --- On Thu, 22/1/09, ajoy s. chomaal ajoy_matchless@ ... wrote:>> ajoy s. chomaal ajoy_matchless@ ...> Re: Re: K.P. method to check whether TOB arrivedat by RP method is correct or not...> @gro ups.com> Thursday, 22 January, 2009, 12:15 PM>>>>>>>>> Dear Punit ji> Please find the content from the book copied below.> Cast the chart for the time and place of judgment. Note down the RPAscendant and RP Moon correct up to sub-sub level. Also note down whomRahu / Ketu represent.> Calculate the position of Natal Moon up to sub-sub level. Then withthe help of RP Ascendant and given time of birth correct the longitudeof Natal Moon up to sub-sub level. Note that here we are using RPAscendant (fast moving object) to correct the longitude of Natal Moon(comparatively slow moving object). Thus strongest Ruling PlanetsÃ¢â‚¬" Ascendant sign lord and Ascendant star lord- are used incorrecting the birth time.Corresponding to this corrected Natal moonposition find out the Natal Ascendant(s)

..> Now, check and correct the Natal Ascendant(s) with the RP moon. Herewe are using pair of next powerful Ruling Planets-Moon sign lord and thestar lord-to fine tune corrected Natal Ascendant(s) . The time when thisascendant rises is found to be most accurate astrological birth time.> regards,> Ajoy>> -> Punit Pandey> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:08 PM> Re: Re: K.P. method to check whether TOB arrivedat by RP method is correct or not...>>>> Dear Ajoy ji,>> I am not aware of the Subhash ji's method. Can you please share thecentral idea of the method here.>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 6:57 PM, ajoy s. chomaal <ajoy_matchless (AT) (DOT) co.

in> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Punit ji,>> Too much has been said and discussed too many times on this subject.As you rightly said, we cannot determine the correctness of any method.>> Having said this and also keeping in mind the fact that our LateGuruji Prof. K.S. Krishnamurti had elaborately considered ruling Planetsto rectify the birth time, i have been using the method practiced byrespected Mr.Subhash Ektare ji. His method is quiet convincing and ihave found it correct in almost all of my cases requiring BTR. The samecan be found in the April 2008 issue of Astrovision magazine.>> regards,> AJOY>>>> --- On Wed, 21/1/09, Punit Pandey punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:>>> Punit Pandey punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> Re: Re: K.P.

method to check whether TOB arrivedat by RP method is correct or not...>> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, 21 January, 2009, 4:16 PM>>>>>> Dear Sunaparantha ji,>> There is nothing like Punit's BTR method. I was kidding to communicatethat even if I create one, there is no way to disprove it. Without anyverification method, we can not determine the correctness of any method.Especially KP has no rules related to sub-sub, so astrologically we cannot know whether the resultant time is correct or not.>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha > wrote:>>>>>>>>>> Dear Punit ji.>> I appreciate yr great works at all

times.> The good news I heard today is "I create a new method of birth timerectification (Punit's method of BTR)> So can we too see the method?>> Sunaparantha>>>>>>>>> Punit Pandey punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> @gro ups.com>>>> Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:54:48 PM> Re: K.P. method to check whether TOB arrived atby RP method is correct or not...>>>>>>>> Dear Lajmi ji,>> I am aware of this method and I am also aware of the dispute onMoon-Ascendant connection method. There is also a statistical researchin this forum which disproves it. Though in my opinion, without knowingpractical application of sub-sub, there is no way to check thecorrectness practically.>> Let me put it

this way, suppose I create a new method of birth timerectification (Punit's method of BTR) where I say that Sun's star lordand sub-lord must appear as the sub-lord and sub-sub lord of theascendant. I claim that it is correct. Now how you will prove ordisprove it? This is I mean by a method of practical verification.>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>>>>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:>>>>>> Dear Punit,> Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Ã‚ Ã‚ If the TOB arrived at by using the RP method,(or any othermethod),Ã‚ there certainly is a method to check whether the TOBarrived at, is correct or not...> Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Ã‚ Ã‚ The Moon's star-lord and sub-lord must appear as the sub-lordand sub-sublord of the

Ascendant... if the Ascendant is correct...> Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ (Ref: K.P. & Astrology,Part II.Ã‚ by late Shri M.P.Shanmugham & Edited by Mr.K.Subramaniam. )> Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Ã‚ Ã‚ The Lagna-sub should tell the birth-star of the native...isthe rule...if Rahu/Kethu happen to be the agent of the star-lord of thenative, then,the Lagna-sublord in whose star it is,that star should beconnected to Rahu/Kethu.. .says the late Mr.Shanmugham. ...> Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Ã‚ Ã‚ At least,as for me, I follow this method to check whether aChart cast is correct or not...so far,I've been getting quite accurateand correct results...also one can even fine-tune the TOB...upto thesub-sub level or,in other words to the second...!> Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Ã‚ Ã‚ With kind regards,> Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

L.Y.Rao.> Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ GOOD LUCK !> Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚> Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚>>>>>>> Punit Pandey punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> @gro ups.com>>>> Tuesday, 20 January, 2009 11:28:26 PM> Re: Re: female and male chart how?>>>>>>>>> Dear Friends,>> Seeing differences in calculations, ayanamsa, and not using preciselatitude, geocentric vs. geographic latitude etc., taking sub-sub forcuspal positions in predictions seems a little bit risky to me.. Alsothough KP uses Placidus house system, there is controversy amongwesterns for using

it for higher latitudes. Also unavailability of anyreliable method for verification of birth time adds confusion to that.>> In my opinion, though, it is OK to take sub-sub for the planetarypositions. Sub-sub is also OK for BTR, because the process is alreadydocumented.. Having said that, still there is no method for verificationfor the sub-sub that comes out using RP based BTR.>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>>>> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:05 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath > wrote:>>>>>>> Dear tw ji,>> the sub sub theory may be useful only in the horary but not in theNatal, as there are chances of difference in the sub sub even for aminute difference in the birth time which is very difficult to rectify!>> Regards>

Adith>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:36 PM, tw853 tw853 > wrote:>>>>>>> Dr. Kar calls his sub sub theory as Kar Padhdhati, Baskaran as KB and> Khullar KCIL without mixing up with KP for their own way of KP related> theories.>> If the sub sub is supposed to give better accurate prediction, why not> to go further to the sub sub sub for the best accuracy?>>>>> @gro ups.com, "swami" swami@ wrote:> >> > kondapaneni suneel <ksuneel_dhamma@ >> To:@ gro ups.com>> > Wednesday, 7 January, 2009 10:08:46 AM> > female and male chart how?> > Dear Elders,Ã‚> > One date of birth is given or chart is given how to discriminate> whether

given is that of male or female chart? Please explain.. suniel> >> >> >> > Dear Friends,> > In continuation to discussion so far on this thread;> > Sometimes we miss the point. To my understanding Question after> paraphrasing was How to find sex of native from chart under study or> how to verify chart erected on birth data confirms sex of Native?> >> > If this inference is correct Sub theory and Vedic astrology both> have principles to determine sex not only from the birth chart but> also from conception chart.> > In KP Literature I have come across writing by Pdt K.R.Kar> mentioning rules about how to judge Sex of native. And also post> conception In A & A.> > Just to quote :> > Ref Dedicated To Learners- Beginners Events that came true. In A & A> April 1980.> > # A Krishna Murti

follower furnished the birth data of the lady and> as per him, her birth might have taken place between 2-15 AM and 2-25> AM on 19 th July 1952 which He corrected and arrived at 2 hrs 25 Mts> 24 sec AM IST for 87E30 and 22N30.> > I took the matter for judgment on 9-6-79 at 8-45 P.M. at 85E20 and> 22N06....He continues to examine as per KP guide lines... using RP .> > At the end of consideration of RP planets He continues: Sub-sub is> the strongest lord and we should attach careful attention to this in> such a way that its star lord should be posited in the sign which> should be a female sign (the case is for female birth) ...> > Further his argument was, The sub- sub lord of the lagna (Ascendant)> will decide whether the native is a male born or a female born,> > It is true that on the basis of RP we can select the sub- sub to> arrive at the conclusion

that may not always be correct.> > In ruling planets, lords of Sub- sub may be one but in Birth chart> lord of sub -sub may be different.> > (for example, suppose we wisely selected planet A as Sub- sub lord> because he is posited in the star of planet B who is posited in the> required Rasi but while birth chart is erected A may not be posited> in the star of B , He may have shifted to some other Rasi which is not> required one .This we should carefully bear in mind)> > Whether consideration of Saturn sub- sub is justified or not can be> verified from the birth chart when we will erect her cusp and> planetary positions.> > * To determine the sex of native, sub- sub lord of Ascendant lagan> is to be examined. The sub -sub lord of the lagan is Say a Planet SAT> and SAT is posited at Virgo - kanya and SAT is a female rasi but> SAT s occupancy in

the female sign is not the final determinant> factor. Star position of the planet in stellar method is to be taken> in to deep consideration. Saturn is posited in the star of Moon who is> posited in the female sign of Taurus- Rishaba. So we can say that> native is a female one.> > I appreciate The Answer given by Sri Lajmi ji and agree to Shri> K.P.Naidu if any rule applies Reverse may also be true (barring a few> unknown parameters ) as its application is discussed in example quoted> above.> > Although I could not understand>if not, correct it is as per KP> method < in the statement of Shri lajmi ji.> > I hope Now Hard liner will say That Pdt Kar was not in KP Astrology.> > May be who knows.> > Lastly every body knows lagan is fastest so with time, Sub-sub will> also be very fast and Star lord is also going to change, I want to>

understand why this theory is untouchable?> > With regards.> >> > R.C.Srivastava. .> > swami@>>>> > Past mails summary.> >> > By the way rule was> > * Yogesh Rao Lajmi Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 7:53 PM Dear> Suneel,> > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ If the TOB given is the exact one, (if not, correctit as per K.P> method). Then, pl. follow the method given by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar :> Ã‚ "If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited ina> star, whose lord isÃ‚ situated in a male sign then the chart is of a> male child...Ã‚ if in a female sign, then the chart is of a femalechild...."> > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ So far, I have found this method extremely> accurate...Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚L.Y.Rao.> > * K. P. Naidu

konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in o: @gro ups.com> > Thursday, 8 January, 2009 9:44:54 PM> > Dear sri Rao garu, Ã‚> > If the method of sri Gondhalekar for ascertaining the gender of the> native of the given chart, proved correct, can we confirm that the> chart is correct and the Birth Date is correct. In other wards, can we> use this Gondhalekar; s method to rectify/correct the Birth Time ?> Regards. K. P. Naidu, Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., Nowroji Road,> Maharanipeta, VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.> > * Personally,I use the method given inÃ‚ Ã‚ Astrosecrets & K..PÃ‚ by> Mr.K.Subramaniam and the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham, Part II....but I> include the sub and sub-sub also to fine-tune the TOB...but, sometimes> ,rarely though, this method does not seem practicable, in that case I> use the Ruling Planets method described

in the same book...> > Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ It is well toremember that, if> theÃ‚ Ascendant's sub lord and the sub-sub lord appear to the sameas> the st.-lord and sub-lord of the Moon...such a TOBÃ‚ arrived at, is> exact to the minute...> > * K. P. Naidu Friday, 9 January, 2009, 10:19 PM> > Dear sri Rao Garu, Ã‚> > I am sorry, the matter is deviated. I have not referred Shanmugam's> method nor RP method. Some reader in this forum raised query "How to> to acertain the gender of the native of a given chart - whether of a> male or female ? ". You have replied Gondhalekar' s method - If the> Ascendant's sub lord's sub lord's star lord falls in a male sign the> native of the given chart is Male, if falls in female sign the native> is female child. All this holds good, if the Birth Time

is correct.> > You said the above Gondhalekar' s method will work only when the> Birth Time of the chart is correct.> > I, therefore, asked you in my previous message, whether the above> method works in reverse orderÃ‚ to rectify Birth Time. i.e., if sri> Gondhalekar' s method gives correct result, can we consider Birth Time> is correct ? If yes, this method can be usedÃ‚ for BTR.Ã‚> > Hope now I am clear.. Regards.> > * This theory should be taken with a pinch of salt. There may be> periods when all the planets happen to occupy either male or female> signs for up to 2Ã‚Â¼ days. For example, from 12-10-2009 2 a...m.> approximately to 14-10-2009 approx 3.30 a.m. about over 2 days, all> the planets will occupy female signs. Can it be possible that all the> births during these 2 days would be only girls worldwide?> > Hasmukhrai J Mehta.>

> * Dear Mehta In the male sign, the first fifteen degrees are male> and the next fifteen degrees are female and vice versa for femalesign.> > DhanabalanÃ‚> > * The theory, untested should be taken with not "a pinch", but with> a Pail of salt> > raichur anant mumbai> > * Agreed.. And, I thnik that KP does not recognize this theory.> >> > Hasmukhrai J Mehta> >>>>>>>>> Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before others grab.>>>>>>> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go tohttp://messenger. / invite/>

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January 22, 2009

Dear Sunil,Good idea. But the correct BT should be known by the sender with some correct events with time periods.SunaparanthaSunil Sharma <sunilsharma21 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:07:55 PMRe: Re: K.P. method to check

whether TOB arrived at by RP method is correct or not...

Dear Pandey ji,Extending this line of thought further and incorporating Shri Ramani ji's views in reply to Mr. Dhanabalan, may I suggest also suggest (Mr.. Dhanabalan has already suggested this) thatwe take up birth time rectification quiz first. Accurate birth details along with a range of time could be given for example charts along with some known events in life.

This will help beginners like me and learned astrologers alike.RegardsSunil

--- On Thu, 1/22/09, Neeraj Chowksey <chowkseyneeraj@ > wrote:

Neeraj Chowksey <chowkseyneeraj@ >Re: Re: K.P. method to check whether TOB arrived at by RP method is correct or not...@gro ups.comThursday, January 22, 2009, 7:05 AM