Oye Lalith! No one here is afraid of you....

July 28, 2007

Dear Lalith:

The whole world knows the history of Blessed Meera Bhai....the

epitome of Bhakti......She was attached to her " Lala " - the wonderful

idol of Krishna gifted to her even from her childhood....Do you mean

to say that innocent young girl started chanting " Kliim krishnaaya "

mantra automatically? Even Bhakta Prahlaada had to be initiated by

Sage Naaradha for his chant of dwaadasaakshari mantra....

Nobody is afraid of you here......You need not proclaim that you are

not in the business of a Guru.....actually Guru status is not a

business (true to your half-baked knowledge you will claim it is also

like software engineering!). The difference my friend between you

and other great persons like Rafal or Dakshinamoorthiji is that they

are spending their money for the internet, whereas you are pilfering

your company's time and the company's resources while browsing the

internet. Don't you think you are cheating your company when you

spend so much time on empty and egoistic posts defending yourself

against every expert after arguing with them unnecessarily? Are you

not getting paid for the time you spend in the company....Know the

basics of ethics before ever sermonizing.....So, actually you are an

exploiter....try to understand that....the other gurujis are probably

too decent to comment on that......What happened to your project?

Better rush to it nough!....It will spare us the agony of replying to

your half-witted postings!

By the say, Which member asked you Prashna Tantra dear? We did not

see any posts requesting " Honourable Lalith " to explain Prashna

Tantra (as if you could explain it!) What arrogance you have to

claim that nobody can stand before you.....Guruji's posts exposed

your ignorance....you did not even know how to ask queries and get

replies from one of the most empathetic astrologers of this group,

and yet you claim you are this and that......

For your information....nobody is afraid of you..Rather you should be

afraid of yourself......Your foolishness itself will be your doom.

Did you not become the laughing stock due to your email-based chasing

of Priyaa? Such foolishness in occult matters could be more costly

dear.....I think Mohanraaamji and Rafalji are only afraid about your

own well-being! They are not afraid of you. Nor am I afraid of you.

Your posts never answer the queries or points raised by others; you

take off on a new ground only because of your shallow understanding

of subjects. Nobody has accepted you as a Guru here, and nobody

will....Can a fire-fly eclipse the Sun? There are too many " Suns "

here and you are just a fire-fly.

It reminds me of a story.....Once an ant challenged the mighty

elephant for a fight; the elephant obviously could not hear the ant

(the ant being so tiny and it was on the ground, its sound could not

reach the elephant). The elephant just walked away out of its own

volition in its natural course. Then the ant claimed, " you see I

challenged the elephant and it ran away " . Dear, your saying that

nobody can stand before you is similar to that.......

FIRST LEARN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GHOSTS AND YOUR ANCESTOR

SUMANGALIS BEFORE WRITING THE FIRST POSTS ON OCCULT! What a

pity......what a pity.....That we have to bear your meaningless

rantings here!

Abhishek.

vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit

wrote:

>

> I was waiting for u dear..

>

> why u took time ?

>

> Do u mean Meera Bai discussed with u, what she did..

>

> Do u know 'Kleem Krishnay, Govindaya Gopijan Vallabhaya Namh' is a

> mantra for lord krishna.

>

> is there no beej mantras, to whom u wish to misguide ? let thnigs

> remain between lord, bhakta , their shraddha and their guru.

>

> why u people are so afraid of me, i m not in business of guru.

>

> i m happy with my life, my profession of software engineering and

> my hobbies ok.

>

> there are 7000+ members are here, by writing such type of foolish

> things u expose urself only, mind, there are better brains here.

>

> this is enough ...

>

vedic astrology ,

> " abhishekpotti " <abhishekpotti@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Mohanraaamji:

> >

> > Well said. Lalith is saying that " maybe in south india devotees

> > don't chant Moola mantras but not so in North " ...What

> > stupidity.....He does not seem to understand that " mantra

shaastra

> > experts " are also devotees, but they cannot be called as innocent

> > saatwik bhaktaas! A typical example of a pure saadhwik bhakta

will

> > be Meera Bhai (was she not North Indian). Can Lalith say which

> Dasa

> > Mahaa Vidya Meera Bhai practised? She was immersed in Krishna

> > consciousness and Lover for Him. Her own Bhajans were her

prayers

> in

> > the bhaavana of Bhakti in the form of Love! This is not mantra

> > shaastra. Another example will be Saant Tukhaaraam. These

> bhaktaas

> > did not chant moola mantraas. Panditji Dakshinamoorthi was on

dot

> in

> > saying that " Pure bhaktaas do not chant complicated moola

> mantraas " .

> > You have clarified this fact wonderfully in your post. I wish

more

> > knowledgeable persons also put erratic posters in their place

just

> as

> > Mohanraaamji does here. This will benefit more naive readers of

> > these forums who might otherwise get confused as to which of the

> > paths to follow. Actually, anyone can follow any path as he/ she

> > deems it fit; but there should be consistency of procedures.

> >

> > We should not confuse mantrik rituals and bhakti doctrines.

> Bhaktaas

> > can chant the names of Gods at anytime.....Mantra shaastra

experts

> > chanting advanced moola mantras should necessarily adopt ritual

> > procedures for the welfare of themselves and others!

> Yes...improper

> > chanting of mantras can cause danger to the society also just as

> > proper chanting can help others. Hence, this cannot be

considered

> as

> > a personal preference of the aspirant. If this was not the case,

> why

> > did sages codify spiritual practises scrupulously? Rafalji,

> > Mohanraaamji, etc. are correct in saying it is best to follow

> Pandit

> > Dakshinamoorthiji's advices on mantra shastra or japams. He is

> > learned and he is living a life compatible to the shaastras

though

> he

> > has faced uncertain circumstances in his own personal life. He

> never

> > compromised on principles and he willingly paid the price for

that

> > which most of us will never do. The words of such a person

should

> > obviously carry more weight.

> >

> > Abhishek.

> >

> > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam "

<mohanraaam@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Well Lalith:

> > >

> > > If you have really done dasa Maha Vidyaa, you would have never

> > > approached a professional astrologer for consultation...that

much

> I

> > > can say....

> > >

> > > And what idiocy when you say Panditji is partly wrong? He

> > > said " Bhaktaas do not chant Moola mantras " , whereas you have

> edited

> > > the words to suit your ends....He never said " devotees don't

> chant

> > > Beej mantras " .....You are putting words into his mouth and

> assuming

> > > he is wrong! Why, do you know....the Great Panditji himself

> chants

> > > Moola mantras.....He is a bhakta and a mantra shastra expert.

As

> a

> > > bhakta he keeps incessant chanting of naama japa throughout the

> > day;

> > > as a mantra shastra expert, he restricts the moola mantra

japams

> to

> > > stipulated times with ritual purity.....It is this wonderful

> > practice

> > > that Guruji was alluding to. Guruji cannot be wrong in ritual

> and

> > > occult matters. Please understand that.

> > >

> > > There are 4 classes of Devotees.......1) Saatwik vedic devotees

> who

> > > will follow vedic dharma scrupulously. They will not dare to

> > compare

> > > astrology and vedanga to Engineering! as you did...

> > > 2) Raajasik devotees who will follow vedic disciplines as far

as

> > > possible, but will still go after upaasanaas of Demi-Gods for

> > > accomplishment of siddhis. Mantra shaastra experts usually

fall

> in

> > > this category.

> > > 3) Saatwik Bhaktaas - for whom the meditation and glory of

their

> > > Ishta Devataa is enough for spiritual satisfaction. It is this

> > > category that Guruji referred to when he said they will not

chant

> > > Moola mantras too much. Definitely they will not do Dasa Mahaa

> > > Vidyaa.

> > > 4) Taamasic Devotees - Those whose main motive is to project

> > > themselves at all costs and acting as if they are equal to the

> > > experts; they will try ALL practices - whether they are

> sanctioned

> > by

> > > vedas or not.....Their only aim is personal glory and

> > satisfaction.

> > > They will attack even established dharma if they do not get

> results

> > > (sounds familiar....You are one!) Ignorance and half-baked

> > knowledge

> > > and egotism are these persons' motivating fuel.

> > >

> > > You are really satan's Gift to this list.......My only prayer

is

> > that

> > > innocent members of this list do not get side-tracked with your

> > > ramblings.

> > >

> > > Let me make this clear to the list.....Panditji said that

saatwik

> > > Bhaktaas who chant Divine names only due to Pure Love on God

> > usually

> > > never chant mantrik moola mantraas. It is just one class of

> > > devotees. A rajasik bhakta who is a mantra-shaastra expert may

> > even

> > > be a bhakta at heart; and a pure bhakta may sometimes chant

some

> > > mantrik japams for solving some practical issues......But, when

> > they

> > > switch their routines temporarily, these enlightened devotees

> > usually

> > > take good guidance and follow the tenets of shaastras

> > > scrupulously....Definitely they will not sit on assumption like

> > > Lalith.

> > >

> > > On the one hand, this fellow claims he has done chants in

> forests,

> > > rivers, earth, etc. (Probably we have a Maharishi here! What

> > heights

> > > of pointless pride in this young man list....it is

disgusting!).

> > On

> > > the other hand, he says he chants mantras in buses, trains,

> > etc......

> > > He is confused about which no body can have issues. Only his

> Guru

> > > should be concerned about that.....But, his attempts to stuff

his

> > > shallow understanding upon this list is reprehensible. And,

his

> > > habit of quoting experts out of context is really condemnable.

> May

> > > Jupiter's Light Shine on that fellow and teach him to respect

the

> > > hallowed traditions and to stay at his level rather than trying

> > > to " teach " others (He has the audacity to claim he

is " teaching "

> > > Rafalji!)

> > >

> > > If a mere young man of 35 years who has spent his life on a

> " Failed

> > > computer web desining business " , " pointless email chasing of

> > girls " ,

> > > and other " past times " can gain insight as he claims, how much

> will

> > > learned Gurus of this group with their life of devotion to

> vedanta

> > > and vedanga know? His peanut brain and hyper-inflated ego will

> > never

> > > allow him to see this obvious truth. But, please list exercise

> > your

> > > discretion while reading his posts (There are doubtless some

good

> > > elements even in his posts; but mostly there is trash presented

> as

> > > philosophy).

> > >

> > > Mohanraaam

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , " litsol "

<mishra.lalit@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > >

> > > > Do u think, a hobby means shallow knowledge of the domain, No

> > > rafal,

> > > > it's not like that.

> > > >

> > > > At least not for me. You have learnt and i m learning, i read

> > ur's

> > > > replies and get benifitted, same way i wanted you to pay

heed

> to

> > > > what i have written about spritiuality, mostrly i did write

for

> u

> > > >

> > > > I have done all 10 mahavidyas of tantra and read many tantrik

> > > > classics, spent good deal of time with great tantriks

trained

> in

> > > > Kamakhya and other places, keenly observed their doings,

their

> > > > mistakes etc.., I did tremendous mantra chanting on water,

on

> > > earth,

> > > > at home, in forests etc...

> > > >

> > > > then reached here, then i did write something, but sorry i

dont

> > > > remember shlokas. i was not interested in cramming that.

> > > >

> > > > Panditji is not fully correct in saying that BeejMantras are

> not

> > > > chanted by devotees, I dont know much about South India but

in

> > > North

> > > > normally its done.

> > > >

> > > > And a successfull mantra sadhana has to result in one's being

a

> > > > devotee, the devotion is the outcome, final result of mantra

> > > sadhana,

> > > > perhaps, Pandit Ji believes mantras are power packet,thinks,

i

> do

> > > it

> > > > this way , these many times and get this result, this is

where

> > most

> > > > of the people are confused. without being a good human being

if

> > we

> > > > think, we will achieve something in spirituality, is

difficult,

> > > very

> > > > difficult.

> > > >

> > > > what happens is, with the mantra chanting, a self

> > transformation

> > > > process begins, u if dont restrict urself, ur karma begins

> > > diluting,

> > > > and u begin ur purification process unknowingly, when

> substantial

> > > > part of ego and greed for respect vanishes and many such

thing

> > > > togather, mantra awakens u and with the God's grace ur

> objective

> > > gets

> > > > fullfilled, gradually u become a devotee. ur being simple and

> > being

> > > > devotee is sometimes is indication of ur's going on the right

> > track.

> > > >

> > > > I think we have discussed a lot, it's enough !!

> > > >

> > > > My Boss has given me lot of projects to complete, so, may be,

i

> m

> > > not

> > > > going to available in the group like i was recently. however.

i

> > > will

> > > > complete Garg Hora series.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz

> > > > <starsuponme@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > >

> > > > > Then please dont generalize Your preferences as they are

too

> > > > shallow for

> > > > > this Forum aspiration.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

> > > > >

> > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Rafel,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I take Astrology as a good hobby, and i w'd be looking at

> it

> > > with

> > > > an

> > > > > > engineer's approach.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I asked ur age because, it's our thinking to put our

> > parameters

> > > in

> > > > > > god's system, there is nothing like delay or advancement

in

> > > > > > spirituality. So, " Delay " or " Speed " , " backwardness "

> > > > > > and " advancement " doesn't exist in spirituality, I

thought

> if

> > u

> > > r

> > > > > > thinking that it may take too much time, I wanted to tell

> u,

> > > it's

> > > > not

> > > > > > like that. there is no delay.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It clicks in fraction of a second, when u r getting

clicked

> > > > depends

> > > > > > on u and on god's will, when he wants u to get clicked.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > God sometimes graces for no reason ( " Ahetuka " ) just for

his

> > > > > > compassion towards u and it may happen next minute too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > spirituality is not delimited by time , effort and rules.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please be careful about words.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Im happy that You are sharing Your experience - very

> > > inspirating

> > > > > > ones.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If You

treat

> > > Jyotish

> > > > > > Vedanga

> > > > > > > as profession similar to engineering You have a long

way

> to

> > > go.

> > > > But

> > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > be pessimistic here are many who will try to help You

in

> > > getting

> > > > > > proper

> > > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > After some time You will agree with me about the mala

and

> > > japa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of

developing

> ur

> > > > > > understanding,

> > > > > > > > u r trying to conclude something and going beyond

that

> u r

> > > > > > messaging

> > > > > > > > same to many.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I m touching 35, What's ur age ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like i m

a

> > > > software

> > > > > > > > engineer, software engineering is my profession.

> > > spirituality

> > > > is

> > > > > > beyond

> > > > > > > > all sort of vidya or profession.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the bliss

of

> > self

> > > > > > awakening or

> > > > > > > > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel u

and

> > god

> > > is

> > > > > > > > connected. dissolved in each other.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > First realize, experience, then speak and then

suggest

> to

> > > > others,

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > mere reading shastras or books u r not going to feel

> it.

> > > > unless

> > > > > > god

> > > > > > > > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont

avoid

> > this

> > > > sort

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > hurriedness instead of learning and understanding, it

> > will

> > > > affect

> > > > > > u only

> > > > > > > > no one else.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > somehere i have read, it was written - By mere

> > > repeating " So-

> > > > > > Aham " no

> > > > > > > > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one

> doesnt

> > get

> > > > > > cured by

> > > > > > > > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take the

> > > medicine

> > > > to

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > cured " .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here, i

> > shared

> > > the

> > > > > > > > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a

> preecher,

> > > nor a

> > > > > > guru, nor

> > > > > > > > i have to make my followers, nor it's my profession,

> nor

> > i

> > > > have

> > > > > > to get

> > > > > > > > fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a kind

of

> > > > > > affection,

> > > > > > > > that's it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, Rafal

> > Gendarz

> > > > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishas

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than just

> > counting,

> > > > so for

> > > > > > > > natives

> > > > > > > > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any other

> > > speculation

> > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > only illusory and just imagination. We should

follow

> Pt.

> > > > > > > > Dakshinamoorti

> > > > > > > > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of spiritual

> > > > development

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > slow and unauthoritative.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji,

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read

> > > > GuruDakshinamurthyi

> > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in

> more

> > > > clarity

> > > > > > to the

> > > > > > > > > > applicability principles to my mail.

> > > > > > > > > > I meant that both are necessity but to what

degree

> of

> > > time

> > > > (it

> > > > > > varies

> > > > > > > > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt

> > maturity

> > > > such

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine forces

> > after

> > > > some

> > > > > > initial

> > > > > > > > > > period of saadhana.

> > > > > > > > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in the

japa

> > maala

> > > > > > (which is

> > > > > > > > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from practical

> > point

> > > of

> > > > > > view for

> > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > count) will help in keeping away destructive

forces

> > > > acting on

> > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > .Thus

> > > > > > > > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in

> > keeping

> > > > away

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > negative thoughts and also trains our memory to

be

> > > object

> > > > > > > > oriented.If

> > > > > > > > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity increase

> the

> > > > Gnaana

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > increase ,but at the same time destructive forces

> > > > > > (diversions) also

> > > > > > > > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures

will

> > come

> > > in

> > > > > > handy to

> > > > > > > > > > successfully fight the negative forces.The

rituals

> > may

> > > be

> > > > > > Rising

> > > > > > > > > > early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking

> > > > > > bath,Japaanusthaan,

> > > > > > > > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in

defined

> > > times

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > discipline

> > > > > > > > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through keeping

> our

> > > body

> > > > > > healthy.

> > > > > > > > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called

> > symbolic

> > > > > > procedures

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but

a

> > > > necessity

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > own good if we practice to the extent we can.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra. lalit%

> > > 40gmail.

> > > > com>:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count

or

> > dont

> > > > > > count,target

> > > > > > > > > > is realization of god's love within, I got it

with

> no

> > > > > > counting,

> > > > > > > > > > someone may get it with counting.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanx, for the writing.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>,

> > srinivasa

> > > > > > murthy adavi

> > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Respected Learned Members,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Both views may be correct when the views

have/or

> > with

> > > > the

> > > > > > goal as

> > > > > > > > > > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana

> > Devatha

> > > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > Mantra

> > > > > > > > > > as Base.

> > > > > > > > > > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as

> one

> > > > > > develops the

> > > > > > > > > > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body

> will

> > > > > > automatically

> > > > > > > > > > take care of the practice(without count-help of

> malas

> > > > etc).

> > > > > > > > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we

> > wake

> > > up

> > > > for

> > > > > > 2 or 3

> > > > > > > > > > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we

> > > wakeup

> > > > at

> > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > time every day without help of alarm.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > With due Respects

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > smadavi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ :

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on

> Mala.

> > > Your

> > > > > > view is

> > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be

> rejected.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with

u,

> U

> > > pls.

> > > > stop

> > > > > > > > > > counting

> > > > > > > > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false

> ego

> > > and

> > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra

> > chanted

> > > by

> > > > you

> > > > > > may be

> > > > > > > > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's

> his

> > > part

> > > > and

> > > > > > ur

> > > > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to

> > awaken,

> > > it

> > > > > > will be,

> > > > > > > > > > god

> > > > > > > > > > > > will ensure it for u.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent

> with

> > out

> > > > > > limited

> > > > > > > > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our

> > > spiritual

> > > > > > growth.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the

time

> u

> > > put

> > > > in

> > > > > > for ur's

> > > > > > > > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart.

purity

> > > > counts.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very

> > > > interesting

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we

> had a

> > > > > > wonderful

> > > > > > > > > > > > esoteric

> > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and

> > today

> > > > your

> > > > > > > > wonderful

> > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the

> cosmos!

> > > > > > Wonderful.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical

> symphony "

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > Universe.

> > > > > > > > > > > > But,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my

earlier

> > > post,

> > > > > > there are

> > > > > > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > > > > > other numerals that are significant in

occult

> > > > > > practices. 108

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect

> number...While

> > > we

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight

of

> > the

> > > > fact

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just

for

> > the

> > > > > > information

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > list.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful

> > > response.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com

<astrology%

> > > > > > > > > > 40. com>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance -

> the

> > > > moon is

> > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and

> the

> > > sun

> > > > is

> > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > from the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is

> > applicable

> > > to

> > > > > > deities

> > > > > > > > > > too.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the

108

> > divya

> > > > > > desas of

> > > > > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Narayana.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > > > > com>, " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is

a

> > very

> > > > good

> > > > > > > > question.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every

> > Nakshtras

> > > > has 4

> > > > > > Charan

> > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > total

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each

> > > Charan

> > > > has 3

> > > > > > > > degree

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 20

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree

and

> 20

> > > > > > minutes to

> > > > > > > > 108

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle

> > > (Circle).

> > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > cycle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represetns

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the

rashis,

> > > > planets and

> > > > > > > > > > nakshatra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2

> dimensional

> > > > > > horoscope. So

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chanting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this

> > brahmand.

> > > > > > Further One

> > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time

> i.e.

> > he

> > > is

> > > > > > > > > > brahmagyani he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before

his

> > name.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ .

com

> > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

com>,

> > babu

> > > > mon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <muthappan111@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of

> you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason

> that

> > > some

> > > > > > remedies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > recomended

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 108 times.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about

astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a

> > reply

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get

better

> > > travel

> > > > > > answers

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who knows.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> have

> > > been

> > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

July 28, 2007

*hraum namah adityaya*

Dear Jyotishas,

Please dont use my name in that quarrel. Thank You.

Regards,

Rafal Gendarz

Sri Jagannath Center Guru

email: rafal

Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com

abhishekpotti napisa?(a):

>

> Dear Lalith:

>

> The whole world knows the history of Blessed Meera Bhai....the

> epitome of Bhakti...... She was attached to her " Lala " - the wonderful

> idol of Krishna gifted to her even from her childhood... .Do you mean

> to say that innocent young girl started chanting " Kliim krishnaaya "

> mantra automatically? Even Bhakta Prahlaada had to be initiated by

> Sage Naaradha for his chant of dwaadasaakshari mantra....

>

> Nobody is afraid of you here......You need not proclaim that you are

> not in the business of a Guru.....actually Guru status is not a

> business (true to your half-baked knowledge you will claim it is also

> like software engineering! ). The difference my friend between you

> and other great persons like Rafal or Dakshinamoorthiji is that they

> are spending their money for the internet, whereas you are pilfering

> your company's time and the company's resources while browsing the

> internet. Don't you think you are cheating your company when you

> spend so much time on empty and egoistic posts defending yourself

> against every expert after arguing with them unnecessarily? Are you

> not getting paid for the time you spend in the company....Know the

> basics of ethics before ever sermonizing. ....So, actually you are an

> exploiter... .try to understand that....the other gurujis are probably

> too decent to comment on that......What happened to your project?

> Better rush to it nough!....It will spare us the agony of replying to

> your half-witted postings!

>

> By the say, Which member asked you Prashna Tantra dear? We did not

> see any posts requesting " Honourable Lalith " to explain Prashna

> Tantra (as if you could explain it!) What arrogance you have to

> claim that nobody can stand before you.....Guruji' s posts exposed

> your ignorance... .you did not even know how to ask queries and get

> replies from one of the most empathetic astrologers of this group,

> and yet you claim you are this and that......

>

> For your information. ...nobody is afraid of you..Rather you should be

> afraid of yourself.... ..Your foolishness itself will be your doom.

> Did you not become the laughing stock due to your email-based chasing

> of Priyaa? Such foolishness in occult matters could be more costly

> dear.....I think Mohanraaamji and Rafalji are only afraid about your

> own well-being! They are not afraid of you. Nor am I afraid of you.

>

> Your posts never answer the queries or points raised by others; you

> take off on a new ground only because of your shallow understanding

> of subjects. Nobody has accepted you as a Guru here, and nobody

> will....Can a fire-fly eclipse the Sun? There are too many " Suns "

> here and you are just a fire-fly.

>

> It reminds me of a story.....Once an ant challenged the mighty

> elephant for a fight; the elephant obviously could not hear the ant

> (the ant being so tiny and it was on the ground, its sound could not

> reach the elephant). The elephant just walked away out of its own

> volition in its natural course. Then the ant claimed, " you see I

> challenged the elephant and it ran away " . Dear, your saying that

> nobody can stand before you is similar to that.......

>

> FIRST LEARN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GHOSTS AND YOUR ANCESTOR

> SUMANGALIS BEFORE WRITING THE FIRST POSTS ON OCCULT! What a

> pity......what a pity.....That we have to bear your meaningless

> rantings here!

>

> Abhishek.

>

> vedic astrology

> <vedic astrology%40>, " litsol " <mishra.lalit@ ...>

> wrote:

> >

> > I was waiting for u dear..

> >

> > why u took time ?

> >

> > Do u mean Meera Bai discussed with u, what she did..

> >

> > Do u know 'Kleem Krishnay, Govindaya Gopijan Vallabhaya Namh' is a

> > mantra for lord krishna.

> >

> > is there no beej mantras, to whom u wish to misguide ? let thnigs

> > remain between lord, bhakta , their shraddha and their guru.

> >

> > why u people are so afraid of me, i m not in business of guru.

> >

> > i m happy with my life, my profession of software engineering and

> > my hobbies ok.

> >

> > there are 7000+ members are here, by writing such type of foolish

> > things u expose urself only, mind, there are better brains here.

> >

> > this is enough ...

> >

> > vedic astrology

> <vedic astrology%40>,

> > " abhishekpotti " <abhishekpotti@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Mohanraaamji:

> > >

> > > Well said. Lalith is saying that " maybe in south india devotees

> > > don't chant Moola mantras but not so in North " ...What

> > > stupidity... ..He does not seem to understand that " mantra

> shaastra

> > > experts " are also devotees, but they cannot be called as innocent

> > > saatwik bhaktaas! A typical example of a pure saadhwik bhakta

> will

> > > be Meera Bhai (was she not North Indian). Can Lalith say which

> > Dasa

> > > Mahaa Vidya Meera Bhai practised? She was immersed in Krishna

> > > consciousness and Lover for Him. Her own Bhajans were her

> prayers

> > in

> > > the bhaavana of Bhakti in the form of Love! This is not mantra

> > > shaastra. Another example will be Saant Tukhaaraam. These

> > bhaktaas

> > > did not chant moola mantraas. Panditji Dakshinamoorthi was on

> dot

> > in

> > > saying that " Pure bhaktaas do not chant complicated moola

> > mantraas " .

> > > You have clarified this fact wonderfully in your post. I wish

> more

> > > knowledgeable persons also put erratic posters in their place

> just

> > as

> > > Mohanraaamji does here. This will benefit more naive readers of

> > > these forums who might otherwise get confused as to which of the

> > > paths to follow. Actually, anyone can follow any path as he/ she

> > > deems it fit; but there should be consistency of procedures.

> > >

> > > We should not confuse mantrik rituals and bhakti doctrines.

> > Bhaktaas

> > > can chant the names of Gods at anytime..... Mantra shaastra

> experts

> > > chanting advanced moola mantras should necessarily adopt ritual

> > > procedures for the welfare of themselves and others!

> > Yes...improper

> > > chanting of mantras can cause danger to the society also just as

> > > proper chanting can help others. Hence, this cannot be

> considered

> > as

> > > a personal preference of the aspirant. If this was not the case,

> > why

> > > did sages codify spiritual practises scrupulously? Rafalji,

> > > Mohanraaamji, etc. are correct in saying it is best to follow

> > Pandit

> > > Dakshinamoorthiji' s advices on mantra shastra or japams. He is

> > > learned and he is living a life compatible to the shaastras

> though

> > he

> > > has faced uncertain circumstances in his own personal life. He

> > never

> > > compromised on principles and he willingly paid the price for

> that

> > > which most of us will never do. The words of such a person

> should

> > > obviously carry more weight.

> > >

> > > Abhishek.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology

> <vedic astrology%40>, " mohanraaam "

> <mohanraaam@ >

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Well Lalith:

> > > >

> > > > If you have really done dasa Maha Vidyaa, you would have never

> > > > approached a professional astrologer for consultation. ..that

> much

> > I

> > > > can say....

> > > >

> > > > And what idiocy when you say Panditji is partly wrong? He

> > > > said " Bhaktaas do not chant Moola mantras " , whereas you have

> > edited

> > > > the words to suit your ends....He never said " devotees don't

> > chant

> > > > Beej mantras " .... .You are putting words into his mouth and

> > assuming

> > > > he is wrong! Why, do you know....the Great Panditji himself

> > chants

> > > > Moola mantras..... He is a bhakta and a mantra shastra expert.

> As

> > a

> > > > bhakta he keeps incessant chanting of naama japa throughout the

> > > day;

> > > > as a mantra shastra expert, he restricts the moola mantra

> japams

> > to

> > > > stipulated times with ritual purity.....It is this wonderful

> > > practice

> > > > that Guruji was alluding to. Guruji cannot be wrong in ritual

> > and

> > > > occult matters. Please understand that.

> > > >

> > > > There are 4 classes of Devotees.... ...1) Saatwik vedic devotees

> > who

> > > > will follow vedic dharma scrupulously. They will not dare to

> > > compare

> > > > astrology and vedanga to Engineering! as you did...

> > > > 2) Raajasik devotees who will follow vedic disciplines as far

> as

> > > > possible, but will still go after upaasanaas of Demi-Gods for

> > > > accomplishment of siddhis. Mantra shaastra experts usually

> fall

> > in

> > > > this category.

> > > > 3) Saatwik Bhaktaas - for whom the meditation and glory of

> their

> > > > Ishta Devataa is enough for spiritual satisfaction. It is this

> > > > category that Guruji referred to when he said they will not

> chant

> > > > Moola mantras too much. Definitely they will not do Dasa Mahaa

> > > > Vidyaa.

> > > > 4) Taamasic Devotees - Those whose main motive is to project

> > > > themselves at all costs and acting as if they are equal to the

> > > > experts; they will try ALL practices - whether they are

> > sanctioned

> > > by

> > > > vedas or not.....Their only aim is personal glory and

> > > satisfaction.

> > > > They will attack even established dharma if they do not get

> > results

> > > > (sounds familiar.... You are one!) Ignorance and half-baked

> > > knowledge

> > > > and egotism are these persons' motivating fuel.

> > > >

> > > > You are really satan's Gift to this list.......My only prayer

> is

> > > that

> > > > innocent members of this list do not get side-tracked with your

> > > > ramblings.

> > > >

> > > > Let me make this clear to the list.....Panditji said that

> saatwik

> > > > Bhaktaas who chant Divine names only due to Pure Love on God

> > > usually

> > > > never chant mantrik moola mantraas. It is just one class of

> > > > devotees. A rajasik bhakta who is a mantra-shaastra expert may

> > > even

> > > > be a bhakta at heart; and a pure bhakta may sometimes chant

> some

> > > > mantrik japams for solving some practical issues...... But, when

> > > they

> > > > switch their routines temporarily, these enlightened devotees

> > > usually

> > > > take good guidance and follow the tenets of shaastras

> > > > scrupulously. ...Definitely they will not sit on assumption like

> > > > Lalith.

> > > >

> > > > On the one hand, this fellow claims he has done chants in

> > forests,

> > > > rivers, earth, etc. (Probably we have a Maharishi here! What

> > > heights

> > > > of pointless pride in this young man list....it is

> disgusting!) .

> > > On

> > > > the other hand, he says he chants mantras in buses, trains,

> > > etc......

> > > > He is confused about which no body can have issues. Only his

> > Guru

> > > > should be concerned about that.....But, his attempts to stuff

> his

> > > > shallow understanding upon this list is reprehensible. And,

> his

> > > > habit of quoting experts out of context is really condemnable.

> > May

> > > > Jupiter's Light Shine on that fellow and teach him to respect

> the

> > > > hallowed traditions and to stay at his level rather than trying

> > > > to " teach " others (He has the audacity to claim he

> is " teaching "

> > > > Rafalji!)

> > > >

> > > > If a mere young man of 35 years who has spent his life on a

> > " Failed

> > > > computer web desining business " , " pointless email chasing of

> > > girls " ,

> > > > and other " past times " can gain insight as he claims, how much

> > will

> > > > learned Gurus of this group with their life of devotion to

> > vedanta

> > > > and vedanga know? His peanut brain and hyper-inflated ego will

> > > never

> > > > allow him to see this obvious truth. But, please list exercise

> > > your

> > > > discretion while reading his posts (There are doubtless some

> good

> > > > elements even in his posts; but mostly there is trash presented

> > as

> > > > philosophy).

> > > >

> > > > Mohanraaam

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology

> <vedic astrology%40>, " litsol "

> <mishra.lalit@ >

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > > >

> > > > > Do u think, a hobby means shallow knowledge of the domain, No

> > > > rafal,

> > > > > it's not like that.

> > > > >

> > > > > At least not for me. You have learnt and i m learning, i read

> > > ur's

> > > > > replies and get benifitted, same way i wanted you to pay

> heed

> > to

> > > > > what i have written about spritiuality, mostrly i did write

> for

> > u

> > > > >

> > > > > I have done all 10 mahavidyas of tantra and read many tantrik

> > > > > classics, spent good deal of time with great tantriks

> trained

> > in

> > > > > Kamakhya and other places, keenly observed their doings,

> their

> > > > > mistakes etc.., I did tremendous mantra chanting on water,

> on

> > > > earth,

> > > > > at home, in forests etc...

> > > > >

> > > > > then reached here, then i did write something, but sorry i

> dont

> > > > > remember shlokas. i was not interested in cramming that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Panditji is not fully correct in saying that BeejMantras are

> > not

> > > > > chanted by devotees, I dont know much about South India but

> in

> > > > North

> > > > > normally its done.

> > > > >

> > > > > And a successfull mantra sadhana has to result in one's being

> a

> > > > > devotee, the devotion is the outcome, final result of mantra

> > > > sadhana,

> > > > > perhaps, Pandit Ji believes mantras are power packet,thinks,

> i

> > do

> > > > it

> > > > > this way , these many times and get this result, this is

> where

> > > most

> > > > > of the people are confused. without being a good human being

> if

> > > we

> > > > > think, we will achieve something in spirituality, is

> difficult,

> > > > very

> > > > > difficult.

> > > > >

> > > > > what happens is, with the mantra chanting, a self

> > > transformation

> > > > > process begins, u if dont restrict urself, ur karma begins

> > > > diluting,

> > > > > and u begin ur purification process unknowingly, when

> > substantial

> > > > > part of ego and greed for respect vanishes and many such

> thing

> > > > > togather, mantra awakens u and with the God's grace ur

> > objective

> > > > gets

> > > > > fullfilled, gradually u become a devotee. ur being simple and

> > > being

> > > > > devotee is sometimes is indication of ur's going on the right

> > > track.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think we have discussed a lot, it's enough !!

> > > > >

> > > > > My Boss has given me lot of projects to complete, so, may be,

> i

> > m

> > > > not

> > > > > going to available in the group like i was recently. however.

> i

> > > > will

> > > > > complete Garg Hora series.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology

> <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > <starsuponme@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Then please dont generalize Your preferences as they are

> too

> > > > > shallow for

> > > > > > this Forum aspiration.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > >

> > > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Rafel,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I take Astrology as a good hobby, and i w'd be looking at

> > it

> > > > with

> > > > > an

> > > > > > > engineer's approach.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I asked ur age because, it's our thinking to put our

> > > parameters

> > > > in

> > > > > > > god's system, there is nothing like delay or advancement

> in

> > > > > > > spirituality. So, " Delay " or " Speed " , " backwardness "

> > > > > > > and " advancement " doesn't exist in spirituality, I

> thought

> > if

> > > u

> > > > r

> > > > > > > thinking that it may take too much time, I wanted to tell

> > u,

> > > > it's

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > like that. there is no delay.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It clicks in fraction of a second, when u r getting

> clicked

> > > > > depends

> > > > > > > on u and on god's will, when he wants u to get clicked.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > God sometimes graces for no reason ( " Ahetuka " ) just for

> his

> > > > > > > compassion towards u and it may happen next minute too.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > spirituality is not delimited by time , effort and rules.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please be careful about words.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Im happy that You are sharing Your experience - very

> > > > inspirating

> > > > > > > ones.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If You

> treat

> > > > Jyotish

> > > > > > > Vedanga

> > > > > > > > as profession similar to engineering You have a long

> way

> > to

> > > > go.

> > > > > But

> > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > be pessimistic here are many who will try to help You

> in

> > > > getting

> > > > > > > proper

> > > > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > After some time You will agree with me about the mala

> and

> > > > japa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of

> developing

> > ur

> > > > > > > understanding,

> > > > > > > > > u r trying to conclude something and going beyond

> that

> > u r

> > > > > > > messaging

> > > > > > > > > same to many.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I m touching 35, What's ur age ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like i m

> a

> > > > > software

> > > > > > > > > engineer, software engineering is my profession.

> > > > spirituality

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > beyond

> > > > > > > > > all sort of vidya or profession.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the bliss

> of

> > > self

> > > > > > > awakening or

> > > > > > > > > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel u

> and

> > > god

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > connected. dissolved in each other.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > First realize, experience, then speak and then

> suggest

> > to

> > > > > others,

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > mere reading shastras or books u r not going to feel

> > it.

> > > > > unless

> > > > > > > god

> > > > > > > > > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont

> avoid

> > > this

> > > > > sort

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > hurriedness instead of learning and understanding, it

> > > will

> > > > > affect

> > > > > > > u only

> > > > > > > > > no one else.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > somehere i have read, it was written - By mere

> > > > repeating " So-

> > > > > > > Aham " no

> > > > > > > > > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one

> > doesnt

> > > get

> > > > > > > cured by

> > > > > > > > > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take the

> > > > medicine

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > cured " .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here, i

> > > shared

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a

> > preecher,

> > > > nor a

> > > > > > > guru, nor

> > > > > > > > > i have to make my followers, nor it's my profession,

> > nor

> > > i

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > to get

> > > > > > > > > fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a kind

> of

> > > > > > > affection,

> > > > > > > > > that's it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, Rafal

> > > Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishas

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than just

> > > counting,

> > > > > so for

> > > > > > > > > natives

> > > > > > > > > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any other

> > > > speculation

> > > > > > > will be

> > > > > > > > > > only illusory and just imagination. We should

> follow

> > Pt.

> > > > > > > > > Dakshinamoorti

> > > > > > > > > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of spiritual

> > > > > development

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > slow and unauthoritative.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji,

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read

> > > > > GuruDakshinamurthyi

> > > > > > > ji's

> > > > > > > > > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in

> > more

> > > > > clarity

> > > > > > > to the

> > > > > > > > > > > applicability principles to my mail.

> > > > > > > > > > > I meant that both are necessity but to what

> degree

> > of

> > > > time

> > > > > (it

> > > > > > > varies

> > > > > > > > > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt

> > > maturity

> > > > > such

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine forces

> > > after

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > initial

> > > > > > > > > > > period of saadhana.

> > > > > > > > > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in the

> japa

> > > maala

> > > > > > > (which is

> > > > > > > > > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from practical

> > > point

> > > > of

> > > > > > > view for

> > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > count) will help in keeping away destructive

> forces

> > > > > acting on

> > > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > > .Thus

> > > > > > > > > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in

> > > keeping

> > > > > away

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > negative thoughts and also trains our memory to

> be

> > > > object

> > > > > > > > > oriented.If

> > > > > > > > > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity increase

> > the

> > > > > Gnaana

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > increase ,but at the same time destructive forces

> > > > > > > (diversions) also

> > > > > > > > > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures

> will

> > > come

> > > > in

> > > > > > > handy to

> > > > > > > > > > > successfully fight the negative forces.The

> rituals

> > > may

> > > > be

> > > > > > > Rising

> > > > > > > > > > > early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking

> > > > > > > bath,Japaanusthaan,

> > > > > > > > > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in

> defined

> > > > times

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > discipline

> > > > > > > > > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through keeping

> > our

> > > > body

> > > > > > > healthy.

> > > > > > > > > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called

> > > symbolic

> > > > > > > procedures

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but

> a

> > > > > necessity

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > own good if we practice to the extent we can.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra. lalit%

> > > > 40gmail.

> > > > > com>:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count

> or

> > > dont

> > > > > > > count,target

> > > > > > > > > > > is realization of god's love within, I got it

> with

> > no

> > > > > > > counting,

> > > > > > > > > > > someone may get it with counting.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanx, for the writing.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>,

> > > srinivasa

> > > > > > > murthy adavi

> > > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Learned Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Both views may be correct when the views

> have/or

> > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > goal as

> > > > > > > > > > > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana

> > > Devatha

> > > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > Mantra

> > > > > > > > > > > as Base.

> > > > > > > > > > > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as

> > one

> > > > > > > develops the

> > > > > > > > > > > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body

> > will

> > > > > > > automatically

> > > > > > > > > > > take care of the practice(without count-help of

> > malas

> > > > > etc).

> > > > > > > > > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we

> > > wake

> > > > up

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > 2 or 3

> > > > > > > > > > > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we

> > > > wakeup

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > > > time every day without help of alarm.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > With due Respects

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > smadavi

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ :

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya*

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on

> > Mala.

> > > > Your

> > > > > > > view is

> > > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be

> > rejected.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru

> > > > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a):

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with

> u,

> > U

> > > > pls.

> > > > > stop

> > > > > > > > > > > counting

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false

> > ego

> > > > and

> > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra

> > > chanted

> > > > by

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > may be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's

> > his

> > > > part

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > ur

> > > > > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to

> > > awaken,

> > > > it

> > > > > > > will be,

> > > > > > > > > > > god

> > > > > > > > > > > > > will ensure it for u.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent

> > with

> > > out

> > > > > > > limited

> > > > > > > > > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our

> > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > growth.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the

> time

> > u

> > > > put

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > for ur's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart.

> purity

> > > > > counts.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very

> > > > > interesting

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we

> > had a

> > > > > > > wonderful

> > > > > > > > > > > > > esoteric

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and

> > > today

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > wonderful

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the

> > cosmos!

> > > > > > > Wonderful.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical

> > symphony "

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Universe.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > But,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my

> earlier

> > > > post,

> > > > > > > there are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > other numerals that are significant in

> occult

> > > > > > > practices. 108

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect

> > number...While

> > > > we

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight

> of

> > > the

> > > > > fact

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just

> for

> > > the

> > > > > > > information

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > list.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful

> > > > response.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com

> <astrology%

> > > > > > > > > > > 40. com>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance -

> > the

> > > > > moon is

> > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and

> > the

> > > > sun

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > from the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is

> > > applicable

> > > > to

> > > > > > > deities

> > > > > > > > > > > too.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the

> 108

> > > divya

> > > > > > > desas of

> > > > > > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Narayana.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> > > > > > > com>, " sushil.dikshit "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is

> a

> > > very

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > question.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every

> > > Nakshtras

> > > > > has 4

> > > > > > > Charan

> > > > > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > total

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each

> > > > Charan

> > > > > has 3

> > > > > > > > > degree

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree

> and

> > 20

> > > > > > > minutes to

> > > > > > > > > 108

> > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle

> > > > (Circle).

> > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > cycle

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represetns

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the

> rashis,

> > > > > planets and

> > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2

> > dimensional

> > > > > > > horoscope. So

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chanting a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this

> > > brahmand.

> > > > > > > Further One

> > > > > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time

> > i.e.

> > > he

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > brahmagyani he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before

> his

> > > name.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ .

> com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40.

> com>,

> > > babu

> > > > > mon

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <muthappan111@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of

> > you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason

> > that

> > > > some

> > > > > > > remedies

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > recomended

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 108 times.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about

> astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a

> > > reply

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get

> better

> > > > travel

> > > > > > > answers

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who knows.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message

> > have

> > > > been

> > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

July 28, 2007

Namaste Abhishek/ Mohanraaam

Just why are you trying to run Lalith down? From the posts that I have read

All he has done is given this point of view - if you don't accept them than

simply ignore it - there is No need for any name calling or belittling

someone.

There is also nothing wrong in Lalith forwarding " Prashna Tantra " text to

this group as to whether someone has requested it or not - he certainly

doesn't need your or mine permission to do so - after all he thought it

would be useful to everyone - again his view.

Sorry if I am coming across annoyed and perhaps rude But feel it is Best

that everyone should stop " belittling " other group members as in the long

run all it does is make oneself appear small and bigoted.

Best wishes and hoping this will be the last mail on this subject ..

Jai Sita Ram

Ram

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vedic astrology

[vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of abhishekpotti

28 July 2007 19:54

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Oye Lalith! No one here is afraid of you....