Guest guest Report post Posted July 27, 2007 Poojya Guruji, Thanks for your illuminative writings to the group which beside blessing people like me ,also indirectly help in gradually coming back to adherence to our vedic precepts. Seeking your blessings smadavi Quoting dakshinastrologer: > Dear Shri. Srinivasamurthy: Actually the japa maala is not merely an initial stage tool. It has esoteric values far beyond our comprehension. Otherwise, why would great siddha purushaas, saints like Aadi Shankaraachaarya, Shri Raaghavendra, etc. have used the japa maala? Let us not confuse devotion and mantrik procedures here at all. A pure bhakta almost never chants Moola mantraas except the naama japam of his Ishta Devataa. Regarding the counts, even Satguru Thyaagaraajaa was advised to perform Raama Naama japam for certain count by no less a personage than Sage Naarada in disguise, and the Satguru reached such an exalted spiritual status only after he finished the count of japam. It is like, you have to give me 5000000 rupees, if you say that you will give me whatever you can with devotion, will it suffice to me? Likewise, when the debt that we incur to the sages by using their teachings and mantras can be paid back only after we finish certain initial counts on the mantras with proper procedures. This process is called Purascharanaa. After this, the mantra become " Swaadeena " to you. So, you can do what you want with that. Just a single chant of the mantra will give manifest results. Lord Hanumaan did not keep on chanting Raama naama japam for 100 years to cross Sri Lanka. It was a single Leap of Faith with the chant " Jai Shri Raam " . But, can we say that we are THAT level of devotion? Concepts like " advanced practitioners do not need that " are o.k. in truth, but in reality they will rather mislead the aspirants. We are all egoistic. So, after some initial saadhanaas, we will tend to assume " I have reached this level; so it is not necessary for me " ....while in reality, we may not be qualified for such exalted status that warrants exemption of rituals. So, it is better to err on the conservative side.....by following rituals and practises as ordained by sages and traditions instead of diluting them to fit our theoretical perspectives. A SPIRITUALLY ADVANCED PRACTITIONER WILL NOT LOSE ANYTHING BY FOLLOWING THESE RITUALS....IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER ONE FOLLOWS THESE PERCEPTS OR NOT AT THAT LEVEL.....THEIR SPIRITUALITY WILL NOT COME DOWN BY THESE! BY AN INITIAL STAGE SAADHAKAA WHO ASSUMES WRONGLY THAT HIS SYSTEM IS ALREADY TUNED TO THE MANTRAS WILL FIND THAT THE PRACTICE WILL SLIP OUT OF HIS HABITS GRADUALLY WITHOUT THESE RITUALS AND COUNTERCHECKS LIKE JAPA MAALA, JAPA COUNT, POOJA, ETC. MAN IS INNATELY LAZY AND EGOISTIC, AND OUR MIND WILL ALWAYS FIND EXCUSES FOR OUR ACTIONS. Following the precepts of sages verbatim to the extent possible is in itself a tapasya! This post is just a suggestion to all spiritual aspirants. Those who want to follow this may follow; others may kindly ignore this. Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology , srinivasa murthy adavi <asmp2k02 wrote: > > Respected Learned Members, > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the goal as development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the Mantra as Base. > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one develops the habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will automatically take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc). > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for 2 or 3 days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at the same time every day without help of alarm. > > With due Respects > > smadavi > > > Quoting starsuponme: > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > Dear Litsol, > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is against > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop counting > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part is > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be, god > > will ensure it for u. > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth. > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful > > esoteric > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe. > > But, > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are > > various > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is a > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have understood > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that there > > are > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of > > the > > > list. > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% 40>, > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away from > > the > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away from the > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities too. > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > > > > > Actually > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan so > > > total > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree and > > > 20 > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 it > > > comes > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > > > > > represetns > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and nakshatra > > > are > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > > > chanting a > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One who > > > has > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is brahmagyani he > > > is > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, babu mon > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > > > recomended > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > > someone > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 27, 2007 Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi, Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count or dont count,target is realization of god's love within, I got it with no counting, someone may get it with counting. Thanx, for the writing. regards, Lalit. vedic astrology , srinivasa murthy adavi <asmp2k02 wrote: > > Respected Learned Members, > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the goal as development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the Mantra as Base. > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one develops the habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will automatically take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc). > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for 2 or 3 days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at the same time every day without help of alarm. > > With due Respects > > smadavi > > > Quoting starsuponme: > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > Dear Litsol, > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is against > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop counting > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part is > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be, god > > will ensure it for u. > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth. > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful > > esoteric > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe. > > But, > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are > > various > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is a > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have understood > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that there > > are > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of > > the > > > list. > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% 40>, > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away from > > the > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away from the > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities too. > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > > > > > Actually > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan so > > > total > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree and > > > 20 > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 it > > > comes > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > > > > > represetns > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and nakshatra > > > are > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > > > chanting a > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One who > > > has > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is brahmagyani he > > > is > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, babu mon > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > > > recomended > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > > someone > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 27, 2007 Resp Sri Lalitji, Thanks for your mail.But please also read GuruDakshinamurthyiji's mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in more clarity to the applicability principles to my mail. I meant that both are necessity but to what degree of time(it varies from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt maturity such that that the count will be taken care of by Divine forces after some initial period of saadhana. Morover the type of bio matter present in the japa maala(which is symbolic for ritualism as well as from practical point of view for our count) will help in keeping away destructive forces acting on us .Thus the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in keeping away from negative thoughts and also trains our memory to be object oriented.If our memory grows and retentive capacity increase the Gnaana will increase ,but at the same time destructive forces (diversions) also becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures will come in handy to successfully fight the negative forces.The rituals may be Rising early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking bath,Japaanusthaan, attending to the livelihood job etc etc in defined times as discipline helps indirectly tune our memory through keeping our body healthy. Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called symbolic procedures are not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but a necessity for our own good if we practice to the extent we can. Quoting mishra.lalit: > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi, Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count or dont count,target is realization of god's love within, I got it with no counting, someone may get it with counting. Thanx, for the writing. regards, Lalit. vedic astrology , srinivasa murthy adavi <asmp2k02 wrote: > > Respected Learned Members, > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the goal as development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the Mantra as Base. > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one develops the habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will automatically take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc). > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for 2 or 3 days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at the same time every day without help of alarm. > > With due Respects > > smadavi > > > Quoting starsuponme: > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > Dear Litsol, > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is against > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop counting > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part is > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be, god > > will ensure it for u. > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth. > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful > > esoteric > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe. > > But, > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are > > various > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is a > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have understood > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that there > > are > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of > > the > > > list. > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% 40>, > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away from > > the > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away from the > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities too. > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > > > > > Actually > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan so > > > total > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree and > > > 20 > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 it > > > comes > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > > > > > represetns > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and nakshatra > > > are > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > > > chanting a > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One who > > > has > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is brahmagyani he > > > is > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, babu mon > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > > > recomended > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > > someone > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 27, 2007 Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi, Thanx, u seem logical.... but u know there are myths. one myth is attack of destructive forces. See, your mantra and ur God is always capable of taking care of all destructive forces. it's beyond descipline and what descipline, descipline is our perception. like, if u switch on an electric bulb, it emits light,wherever it's located. so, when u start chanting mantra, when ur single minded, no thought with intensity is there in ur mind, whatever force is there, if any, will get automatically repelled and u w'd hardly come to know about what happened around. like, i used to chant devi kavach given in durga shapthshati, then after a point, i realized it's just nothing but my own effort to condition my mind, mother is always there, why and what i fear. u know, but i m not sthitpragya, still deviation comes in mind and i try to understand where is the root, sometimes, it is fun too, like u get frineds to njoy ur time, same way, I consulted with Pandit ji to know the reason why i m not getting good proposals for my marriage, that was a fun sort of thing, till 32 i was busy in my struggle for a good Job of my liking and exploring the spirituality after the sharada temple's incident, after that, i saw my old father and mother, wants me to get married, I was not sure what i should do, but then i thought deeply, and accpted the option of getting married. Let's see when it happens, I have made a time frame, then i w'd move on, there is much to discover and rediscover in the field of spirituality for my satisfactin and for all , like relationship and control of body, mind and soul. so many questions needs to be answered. U know even getting God's vision is not enough, still, karma is left to burn out. regards, Lalit. vedic astrology , asmp2k02 wrote: > > Resp Sri Lalitji, > Thanks for your mail.But please also read GuruDakshinamurthyiji's mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in more clarity to the applicability principles to my mail. > I meant that both are necessity but to what degree of time(it varies from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt maturity such that that the count will be taken care of by Divine forces after some initial period of saadhana. > Morover the type of bio matter present in the japa maala(which is symbolic for ritualism as well as from practical point of view for our count) will help in keeping away destructive forces acting on us .Thus the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in keeping away from negative thoughts and also trains our memory to be object oriented.If our memory grows and retentive capacity increase the Gnaana will increase ,but at the same time destructive forces (diversions) also becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures will come in handy to successfully fight the negative forces.The rituals may be Rising early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking bath,Japaanusthaan, attending to the livelihood job etc etc in defined times as discipline helps indirectly tune our memory through keeping our body healthy. > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called symbolic procedures are not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but a necessity for our own good if we practice to the extent we can. > > Quoting mishra.lalit: > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi, > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count or dont count,target > is realization of god's love within, I got it with no counting, > someone may get it with counting. > > Thanx, for the writing. > > regards, > Lalit. > > > > vedic astrology , srinivasa murthy adavi > asmp2k02@ wrote: > > > > Respected Learned Members, > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the goal as > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the Mantra > as Base. > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one develops the > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will automatically > take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc). > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for 2 or 3 > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at the same > time every day without help of alarm. > > > > With due Respects > > > > smadavi > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@: > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is > against > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > email: rafal@ > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop > counting > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then > > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part > is > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be, > god > > > will ensure it for u. > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth. > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful > > > esoteric > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe. > > > But, > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are > > > various > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is > a > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have > understood > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that > there > > > are > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of > > > the > > > > list. > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% > 40>, > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away > from > > > the > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away > from the > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities > too. > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord > > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology%40>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > > > > > > Actually > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan > so > > > > total > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree > and > > > > 20 > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 > it > > > > comes > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > > > > > > represetns > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and > nakshatra > > > > are > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > > > > chanting a > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One > who > > > > has > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is > brahmagyani he > > > > is > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology%40>, babu mon > > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > > > > recomended > > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > > > someone > > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 27, 2007 Dear Rafal, Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of developing ur understanding, u r trying to conclude something and going beyond that u r messaging same to many. I m touching 35, What's ur age ? Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like i m a software engineer, software engineering is my profession. spirituality is beyond all sort of vidya or profession. I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the bliss of self awakening or in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel u and god is connected. dissolved in each other. First realize, experience, then speak and then suggest to others, by mere reading shastras or books u r not going to feel it. unless god graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont avoid this sort of hurriedness instead of learning and understanding, it will affect u only no one else. somehere i have read, it was written - By mere repeating " So-Aham " no one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one doesnt get cured by knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take the medicine to get cured " . So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here, i shared the experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a preecher, nor a guru, nor i have to make my followers, nor it's my profession, nor i have to get fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a kind of affection, that's it. regards, Lalit. vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > Dear Jyotishas > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than just counting, so for natives > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any other speculation will be > only illusory and just imagination. We should follow Pt. Dakshinamoorti > advise strictly, otherwise our process of spiritual development will be > slow and unauthoritative. > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > asmp2k02 napisa?(a): > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji, > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read GuruDakshinamurthyiji's > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in more clarity to the > > applicability principles to my mail. > > I meant that both are necessity but to what degree of time(it varies > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt maturity such that that > > the count will be taken care of by Divine forces after some initial > > period of saadhana. > > Morover the type of bio matter present in the japa maala(which is > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from practical point of view for our > > count) will help in keeping away destructive forces acting on us ..Thus > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in keeping away from > > negative thoughts and also trains our memory to be object oriented.If > > our memory grows and retentive capacity increase the Gnaana will > > increase ,but at the same time destructive forces (diversions) also > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures will come in handy to > > successfully fight the negative forces.The rituals may be Rising > > early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking bath,Japaanusthaan, > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in defined times as discipline > > helps indirectly tune our memory through keeping our body healthy. > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called symbolic procedures are > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but a necessity for our > > own good if we practice to the extent we can. > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit <mishra.lalit%40gmail.com>: > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi, > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count or dont count,target > > is realization of god's love within, I got it with no counting, > > someone may get it with counting. > > > > Thanx, for the writing. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, srinivasa murthy adavi > > asmp2k02@ wrote: > > > > > > Respected Learned Members, > > > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the goal as > > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the Mantra > > as Base. > > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one develops the > > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will automatically > > take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc). > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for 2 or 3 > > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at the same > > time every day without help of alarm. > > > > > > With due Respects > > > > > > smadavi > > > > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@: > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is > > against > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > email: rafal@ > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop > > counting > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part > > is > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be, > > god > > > > will ensure it for u. > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth. > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful > > > > esoteric > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe. > > > > But, > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are > > > > various > > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is > > a > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have > > understood > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that > > there > > > > are > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of > > > > the > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% > > 40>, > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away > > from > > > > the > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away > > from the > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities > > too. > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord > > > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic astrology%40>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > > > > > > > Actually > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan > > so > > > > > total > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree > > and > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 > > it > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > > > > > > > represetns > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and > > nakshatra > > > > > are > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > > > > > chanting a > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One > > who > > > > > has > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is > > brahmagyani he > > > > > is > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic astrology%40>, babu mon > > > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > > > > > recomended > > > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 27, 2007 *hraum namah adityaya* Dear Litsol, Please be careful about words. Im happy that You are sharing Your experience - very inspirating ones. Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If You treat Jyotish Vedanga as profession similar to engineering You have a long way to go. But dont be pessimistic here are many who will try to help You in getting proper understanding. After some time You will agree with me about the mala and japa. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com litsol napisa?(a): > > > Dear Rafal, > > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of developing ur understanding, > u r trying to conclude something and going beyond that u r messaging > same to many. > > I m touching 35, What's ur age ? > > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like i m a software > engineer, software engineering is my profession. spirituality is beyond > all sort of vidya or profession. > > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the bliss of self awakening or > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel u and god is > connected. dissolved in each other. > > First realize, experience, then speak and then suggest to others, by > mere reading shastras or books u r not going to feel it. unless god > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont avoid this sort of > hurriedness instead of learning and understanding, it will affect u only > no one else. > > somehere i have read, it was written - By mere repeating " So-Aham " no > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one doesnt get cured by > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take the medicine to get > cured " . > > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here, i shared the > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a preecher, nor a guru, nor > i have to make my followers, nor it's my profession, nor i have to get > fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a kind of affection, > that's it. > > regards, > Lalit. > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz > <starsuponme@ ...> > wrote: > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > Dear Jyotishas > > > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than just counting, so for > natives > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any other speculation will be > > only illusory and just imagination. We should follow Pt. > Dakshinamoorti > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of spiritual development will > be > > slow and unauthoritative. > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > email: rafal > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > asmp2k02 napisa?(a): > > > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji, > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read GuruDakshinamurthyi ji's > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in more clarity to the > > > applicability principles to my mail. > > > I meant that both are necessity but to what degree of time(it varies > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt maturity such that > that > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine forces after some initial > > > period of saadhana. > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in the japa maala(which is > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from practical point of view for > our > > > count) will help in keeping away destructive forces acting on us > .Thus > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in keeping away from > > > negative thoughts and also trains our memory to be object > oriented.If > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity increase the Gnaana will > > > increase ,but at the same time destructive forces (diversions) also > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures will come in handy to > > > successfully fight the negative forces.The rituals may be Rising > > > early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking bath,Japaanusthaan, > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in defined times as > discipline > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through keeping our body healthy. > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called symbolic procedures > are > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but a necessity for > our > > > own good if we practice to the extent we can. > > > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra. lalit%40gmail. com>: > > > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi, > > > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count or dont count,target > > > is realization of god's love within, I got it with no counting, > > > someone may get it with counting. > > > > > > Thanx, for the writing. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, srinivasa murthy adavi > > > asmp2k02@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Learned Members, > > > > > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the goal as > > > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the Mantra > > > as Base. > > > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one develops the > > > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will automatically > > > take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc). > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for 2 or 3 > > > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at the same > > > time every day without help of alarm. > > > > > > > > With due Respects > > > > > > > > smadavi > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ : > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is > > > against > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop > > > counting > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur > part > > > is > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be, > > > god > > > > > will ensure it for u. > > > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth. > > > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful > > > > > esoteric > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your > wonderful > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the > Universe. > > > > > But, > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are > > > > > various > > > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 > is > > > a > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have > > > understood > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that > > > there > > > > > are > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information > of > > > > > the > > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% > > > 40. com>, > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away > > > from the > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities > > > too. > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of > Lord > > > > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good > question. > > > > > > > > Actually > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan > > > so > > > > > > total > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 > degree > > > and > > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to > 108 > > > it > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This > cycle > > > > > > > > represetns > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and > > > nakshatra > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > > > > > > chanting a > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One > > > who > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is > > > brahmagyani he > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, babu mon > > > > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > > > > > > recomended > > > > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers > from > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 27, 2007 Dear Rafel, I take Astrology as a good hobby, and i w'd be looking at it with an engineer's approach. I asked ur age because, it's our thinking to put our parameters in god's system, there is nothing like delay or advancement in spirituality. So, " Delay " or " Speed " , " backwardness " and " advancement " doesn't exist in spirituality, I thought if u r thinking that it may take too much time, I wanted to tell u, it's not like that. there is no delay. It clicks in fraction of a second, when u r getting clicked depends on u and on god's will, when he wants u to get clicked. God sometimes graces for no reason ( " Ahetuka " ) just for his compassion towards u and it may happen next minute too. spirituality is not delimited by time , effort and rules. regards, Lalit. vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > Dear Litsol, > > Please be careful about words. > > Im happy that You are sharing Your experience - very inspirating ones. > > Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If You treat Jyotish Vedanga > as profession similar to engineering You have a long way to go. But dont > be pessimistic here are many who will try to help You in getting proper > understanding. > > > After some time You will agree with me about the mala and japa. > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of developing ur understanding, > > u r trying to conclude something and going beyond that u r messaging > > same to many. > > > > I m touching 35, What's ur age ? > > > > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like i m a software > > engineer, software engineering is my profession. spirituality is beyond > > all sort of vidya or profession. > > > > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the bliss of self awakening or > > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel u and god is > > connected. dissolved in each other. > > > > First realize, experience, then speak and then suggest to others, by > > mere reading shastras or books u r not going to feel it. unless god > > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont avoid this sort of > > hurriedness instead of learning and understanding, it will affect u only > > no one else. > > > > somehere i have read, it was written - By mere repeating " So- Aham " no > > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one doesnt get cured by > > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take the medicine to get > > cured " . > > > > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here, i shared the > > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a preecher, nor a guru, nor > > i have to make my followers, nor it's my profession, nor i have to get > > fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a kind of affection, > > that's it. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > Dear Jyotishas > > > > > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than just counting, so for > > natives > > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any other speculation will be > > > only illusory and just imagination. We should follow Pt. > > Dakshinamoorti > > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of spiritual development will > > be > > > slow and unauthoritative. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > email: rafal@ > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji, > > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read GuruDakshinamurthyi ji's > > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in more clarity to the > > > > applicability principles to my mail. > > > > I meant that both are necessity but to what degree of time(it varies > > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt maturity such that > > that > > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine forces after some initial > > > > period of saadhana. > > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in the japa maala (which is > > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from practical point of view for > > our > > > > count) will help in keeping away destructive forces acting on us > > .Thus > > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in keeping away from > > > > negative thoughts and also trains our memory to be object > > oriented.If > > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity increase the Gnaana will > > > > increase ,but at the same time destructive forces (diversions) also > > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures will come in handy to > > > > successfully fight the negative forces.The rituals may be Rising > > > > early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking bath,Japaanusthaan, > > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in defined times as > > discipline > > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through keeping our body healthy. > > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called symbolic procedures > > are > > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but a necessity for > > our > > > > own good if we practice to the extent we can. > > > > > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra. lalit%40gmail. com>: > > > > > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi, > > > > > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count or dont count,target > > > > is realization of god's love within, I got it with no counting, > > > > someone may get it with counting. > > > > > > > > Thanx, for the writing. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, srinivasa murthy adavi > > > > asmp2k02@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the goal as > > > > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the Mantra > > > > as Base. > > > > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one develops the > > > > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will automatically > > > > take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc). > > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for 2 or 3 > > > > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at the same > > > > time every day without help of alarm. > > > > > > > > > > With due Respects > > > > > > > > > > smadavi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ : > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is > > > > against > > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop > > > > counting > > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then > > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be > > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur > > part > > > > is > > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be, > > > > god > > > > > > will ensure it for u. > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited > > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's > > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > > > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful > > > > > > esoteric > > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your > > wonderful > > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the > > Universe. > > > > > > But, > > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are > > > > > > various > > > > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 > > is > > > > a > > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have > > > > understood > > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that > > > > there > > > > > > are > > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% > > > > 40. com>, > > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away > > > > from > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away > > > > from the > > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities > > > > too. > > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of > > Lord > > > > > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good > > question. > > > > > > > > > Actually > > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan > > > > so > > > > > > > total > > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 > > degree > > > > and > > > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to > > 108 > > > > it > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This > > cycle > > > > > > > > > represetns > > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > > > > > > > chanting a > > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One > > > > who > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is > > > > brahmagyani he > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, babu mon > > > > > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > > > > > > > recomended > > > > > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers > > from > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 27, 2007 *hraum namah adityaya* Dear Litsol, Then please dont generalize Your preferences as they are too shallow for this Forum aspiration. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com litsol napisa?(a): > > Dear Rafel, > > I take Astrology as a good hobby, and i w'd be looking at it with an > engineer's approach. > > I asked ur age because, it's our thinking to put our parameters in > god's system, there is nothing like delay or advancement in > spirituality. So, " Delay " or " Speed " , " backwardness " > and " advancement " doesn't exist in spirituality, I thought if u r > thinking that it may take too much time, I wanted to tell u, it's not > like that. there is no delay. > > It clicks in fraction of a second, when u r getting clicked depends > on u and on god's will, when he wants u to get clicked. > > God sometimes graces for no reason ( " Ahetuka " ) just for his > compassion towards u and it may happen next minute too. > > spirituality is not delimited by time , effort and rules. > > regards, > Lalit. > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > Please be careful about words. > > > > Im happy that You are sharing Your experience - very inspirating > ones. > > > > Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If You treat Jyotish > Vedanga > > as profession similar to engineering You have a long way to go. But > dont > > be pessimistic here are many who will try to help You in getting > proper > > understanding. > > > > > > After some time You will agree with me about the mala and japa. > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > email: rafal > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of developing ur > understanding, > > > u r trying to conclude something and going beyond that u r > messaging > > > same to many. > > > > > > I m touching 35, What's ur age ? > > > > > > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like i m a software > > > engineer, software engineering is my profession. spirituality is > beyond > > > all sort of vidya or profession. > > > > > > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the bliss of self > awakening or > > > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel u and god is > > > connected. dissolved in each other. > > > > > > First realize, experience, then speak and then suggest to others, > by > > > mere reading shastras or books u r not going to feel it. unless > god > > > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont avoid this sort > of > > > hurriedness instead of learning and understanding, it will affect > u only > > > no one else. > > > > > > somehere i have read, it was written - By mere repeating " So- > Aham " no > > > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one doesnt get > cured by > > > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take the medicine to > get > > > cured " . > > > > > > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here, i shared the > > > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a preecher, nor a > guru, nor > > > i have to make my followers, nor it's my profession, nor i have > to get > > > fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a kind of > affection, > > > that's it. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, Rafal Gendarz > > > <starsuponme@ ...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishas > > > > > > > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than just counting, so for > > > natives > > > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any other speculation > will be > > > > only illusory and just imagination. We should follow Pt. > > > Dakshinamoorti > > > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of spiritual development > will > > > be > > > > slow and unauthoritative. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji, > > > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read GuruDakshinamurthyi > ji's > > > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in more clarity > to the > > > > > applicability principles to my mail. > > > > > I meant that both are necessity but to what degree of time(it > varies > > > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt maturity such > that > > > that > > > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine forces after some > initial > > > > > period of saadhana. > > > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in the japa maala > (which is > > > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from practical point of > view for > > > our > > > > > count) will help in keeping away destructive forces acting on > us > > > .Thus > > > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in keeping away > from > > > > > negative thoughts and also trains our memory to be object > > > oriented.If > > > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity increase the Gnaana > will > > > > > increase ,but at the same time destructive forces > (diversions) also > > > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures will come in > handy to > > > > > successfully fight the negative forces.The rituals may be > Rising > > > > > early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking > bath,Japaanusthaan, > > > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in defined times as > > > discipline > > > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through keeping our body > healthy. > > > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called symbolic > procedures > > > are > > > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but a necessity > for > > > our > > > > > own good if we practice to the extent we can. > > > > > > > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra. lalit%40gmail. com>: > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi, > > > > > > > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count or dont > count,target > > > > > is realization of god's love within, I got it with no > counting, > > > > > someone may get it with counting. > > > > > > > > > > Thanx, for the writing. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com> > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, srinivasa > murthy adavi > > > > > asmp2k02@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the > goal as > > > > > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the > Mantra > > > > > as Base. > > > > > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one > develops the > > > > > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will > automatically > > > > > take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc). > > > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for > 2 or 3 > > > > > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at > the same > > > > > time every day without help of alarm. > > > > > > > > > > > > With due Respects > > > > > > > > > > > > smadavi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ : > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your > view is > > > > > against > > > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop > > > > > counting > > > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then > > > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you > may be > > > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and > ur > > > part > > > > > is > > > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it > will be, > > > > > god > > > > > > > will ensure it for u. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out > limited > > > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual > growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in > for ur's > > > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting > and > > > > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a > wonderful > > > > > > > esoteric > > > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! > Wonderful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the > > > Universe. > > > > > > > But, > > > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, > there are > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult > practices. 108 > > > is > > > > > a > > > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have > > > > > understood > > > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact > that > > > > > there > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the > information > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% > > > > > 40. com>, > > > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is > away > > > > > from > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is > away > > > > > from the > > > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to > deities > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya > desas of > > > Lord > > > > > > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > com>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good > > > question. > > > > > > > > > > Actually > > > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 > Charan > > > > > so > > > > > > > > total > > > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 > > > degree > > > > > and > > > > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 > minutes to > > > 108 > > > > > it > > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). > This > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > represetns > > > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional > horoscope. So > > > > > > > > chanting a > > > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. > Further One > > > > > who > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is > > > > > brahmagyani he > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, babu mon > > > > > > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some > remedies > > > > > > > > recomended > > > > > > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel > answers > > > from > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 28, 2007 Dear Rafal, Do u think, a hobby means shallow knowledge of the domain, No rafal, it's not like that. At least not for me. You have learnt and i m learning, i read ur's replies and get benifitted, same way i wanted you to pay heed to what i have written about spritiuality, mostrly i did write for u I have done all 10 mahavidyas of tantra and read many tantrik classics, spent good deal of time with great tantriks trained in Kamakhya and other places, keenly observed their doings, their mistakes etc.., I did tremendous mantra chanting on water, on earth, at home, in forests etc... then reached here, then i did write something, but sorry i dont remember shlokas. i was not interested in cramming that. Panditji is not fully correct in saying that BeejMantras are not chanted by devotees, I dont know much about South India but in North normally its done. And a successfull mantra sadhana has to result in one's being a devotee, the devotion is the outcome, final result of mantra sadhana, perhaps, Pandit Ji believes mantras are power packet,thinks, i do it this way , these many times and get this result, this is where most of the people are confused. without being a good human being if we think, we will achieve something in spirituality, is difficult, very difficult. what happens is, with the mantra chanting, a self transformation process begins, u if dont restrict urself, ur karma begins diluting, and u begin ur purification process unknowingly, when substantial part of ego and greed for respect vanishes and many such thing togather, mantra awakens u and with the God's grace ur objective gets fullfilled, gradually u become a devotee. ur being simple and being devotee is sometimes is indication of ur's going on the right track. I think we have discussed a lot, it's enough !! My Boss has given me lot of projects to complete, so, may be, i m not going to available in the group like i was recently. however. i will complete Garg Hora series. regards, Lalit. vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > Dear Litsol, > > Then please dont generalize Your preferences as they are too shallow for > this Forum aspiration. > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > Dear Rafel, > > > > I take Astrology as a good hobby, and i w'd be looking at it with an > > engineer's approach. > > > > I asked ur age because, it's our thinking to put our parameters in > > god's system, there is nothing like delay or advancement in > > spirituality. So, " Delay " or " Speed " , " backwardness " > > and " advancement " doesn't exist in spirituality, I thought if u r > > thinking that it may take too much time, I wanted to tell u, it's not > > like that. there is no delay. > > > > It clicks in fraction of a second, when u r getting clicked depends > > on u and on god's will, when he wants u to get clicked. > > > > God sometimes graces for no reason ( " Ahetuka " ) just for his > > compassion towards u and it may happen next minute too. > > > > spirituality is not delimited by time , effort and rules. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > Please be careful about words. > > > > > > Im happy that You are sharing Your experience - very inspirating > > ones. > > > > > > Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If You treat Jyotish > > Vedanga > > > as profession similar to engineering You have a long way to go. But > > dont > > > be pessimistic here are many who will try to help You in getting > > proper > > > understanding. > > > > > > > > > After some time You will agree with me about the mala and japa. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > email: rafal@ > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of developing ur > > understanding, > > > > u r trying to conclude something and going beyond that u r > > messaging > > > > same to many. > > > > > > > > I m touching 35, What's ur age ? > > > > > > > > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like i m a software > > > > engineer, software engineering is my profession. spirituality is > > beyond > > > > all sort of vidya or profession. > > > > > > > > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the bliss of self > > awakening or > > > > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel u and god is > > > > connected. dissolved in each other. > > > > > > > > First realize, experience, then speak and then suggest to others, > > by > > > > mere reading shastras or books u r not going to feel it. unless > > god > > > > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont avoid this sort > > of > > > > hurriedness instead of learning and understanding, it will affect > > u only > > > > no one else. > > > > > > > > somehere i have read, it was written - By mere repeating " So- > > Aham " no > > > > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one doesnt get > > cured by > > > > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take the medicine to > > get > > > > cured " . > > > > > > > > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here, i shared the > > > > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a preecher, nor a > > guru, nor > > > > i have to make my followers, nor it's my profession, nor i have > > to get > > > > fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a kind of > > affection, > > > > that's it. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, Rafal Gendarz > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishas > > > > > > > > > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than just counting, so for > > > > natives > > > > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any other speculation > > will be > > > > > only illusory and just imagination. We should follow Pt. > > > > Dakshinamoorti > > > > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of spiritual development > > will > > > > be > > > > > slow and unauthoritative. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji, > > > > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read GuruDakshinamurthyi > > ji's > > > > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in more clarity > > to the > > > > > > applicability principles to my mail. > > > > > > I meant that both are necessity but to what degree of time (it > > varies > > > > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt maturity such > > that > > > > that > > > > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine forces after some > > initial > > > > > > period of saadhana. > > > > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in the japa maala > > (which is > > > > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from practical point of > > view for > > > > our > > > > > > count) will help in keeping away destructive forces acting on > > us > > > > .Thus > > > > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in keeping away > > from > > > > > > negative thoughts and also trains our memory to be object > > > > oriented.If > > > > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity increase the Gnaana > > will > > > > > > increase ,but at the same time destructive forces > > (diversions) also > > > > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures will come in > > handy to > > > > > > successfully fight the negative forces.The rituals may be > > Rising > > > > > > early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking > > bath,Japaanusthaan, > > > > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in defined times as > > > > discipline > > > > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through keeping our body > > healthy. > > > > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called symbolic > > procedures > > > > are > > > > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but a necessity > > for > > > > our > > > > > > own good if we practice to the extent we can. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra. lalit%40gmail. com>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count or dont > > count,target > > > > > > is realization of god's love within, I got it with no > > counting, > > > > > > someone may get it with counting. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx, for the writing. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com> > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, srinivasa > > murthy adavi > > > > > > asmp2k02@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the > > goal as > > > > > > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the > > Mantra > > > > > > as Base. > > > > > > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one > > develops the > > > > > > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will > > automatically > > > > > > take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc). > > > > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for > > 2 or 3 > > > > > > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at > > the same > > > > > > time every day without help of alarm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With due Respects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smadavi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your > > view is > > > > > > against > > > > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop > > > > > > counting > > > > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then > > > > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you > > may be > > > > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and > > ur > > > > part > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it > > will be, > > > > > > god > > > > > > > > will ensure it for u. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out > > limited > > > > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual > > growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in > > for ur's > > > > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting > > and > > > > > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a > > wonderful > > > > > > > > esoteric > > > > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your > > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! > > Wonderful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the > > > > Universe. > > > > > > > > But, > > > > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, > > there are > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult > > practices. 108 > > > > is > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have > > > > > > understood > > > > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact > > that > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the > > information > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% > > > > > > 40. com>, > > > > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is > > away > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is > > away > > > > > > from the > > > > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to > > deities > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya > > desas of > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > com>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good > > > > question. > > > > > > > > > > > Actually > > > > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 > > Charan > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > total > > > > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 > > > > degree > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 > > minutes to > > > > 108 > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). > > This > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > represetns > > > > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional > > horoscope. So > > > > > > > > > chanting a > > > > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. > > Further One > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is > > > > > > brahmagyani he > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, babu mon > > > > > > > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some > > remedies > > > > > > > > > recomended > > > > > > > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel > > answers > > > > from > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 28, 2007 *hraum namah adityaya* Dear Litsol, You compared Jyotish to Engineering which takes away all subtle and refined glories of that Vedanga, which gives direct association of Narayana. If one follows Brhat Samhita and Prasna Marga in learning Jyotish then it is much more than just hobby. This forum's aspiration is to appreciate depth of this Vedanga (representing eyes) and this comparision altough can be personal preference will be rejected because of tradition we try to follow. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com litsol napisa?(a): > > Dear Rafal, > > Do u think, a hobby means shallow knowledge of the domain, No rafal, > it's not like that. > > At least not for me. You have learnt and i m learning, i read ur's > replies and get benifitted, same way i wanted you to pay heed to > what i have written about spritiuality, mostrly i did write for u > > I have done all 10 mahavidyas of tantra and read many tantrik > classics, spent good deal of time with great tantriks trained in > Kamakhya and other places, keenly observed their doings, their > mistakes etc.., I did tremendous mantra chanting on water, on earth, > at home, in forests etc... > > then reached here, then i did write something, but sorry i dont > remember shlokas. i was not interested in cramming that. > > Panditji is not fully correct in saying that BeejMantras are not > chanted by devotees, I dont know much about South India but in North > normally its done. > > And a successfull mantra sadhana has to result in one's being a > devotee, the devotion is the outcome, final result of mantra sadhana, > perhaps, Pandit Ji believes mantras are power packet,thinks, i do it > this way , these many times and get this result, this is where most > of the people are confused. without being a good human being if we > think, we will achieve something in spirituality, is difficult, very > difficult. > > what happens is, with the mantra chanting, a self transformation > process begins, u if dont restrict urself, ur karma begins diluting, > and u begin ur purification process unknowingly, when substantial > part of ego and greed for respect vanishes and many such thing > togather, mantra awakens u and with the God's grace ur objective gets > fullfilled, gradually u become a devotee. ur being simple and being > devotee is sometimes is indication of ur's going on the right track. > > I think we have discussed a lot, it's enough !! > > My Boss has given me lot of projects to complete, so, may be, i m not > going to available in the group like i was recently. however. i will > complete Garg Hora series. > > regards, > Lalit. > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > Then please dont generalize Your preferences as they are too > shallow for > > this Forum aspiration. > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > email: rafal > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > Dear Rafel, > > > > > > I take Astrology as a good hobby, and i w'd be looking at it with > an > > > engineer's approach. > > > > > > I asked ur age because, it's our thinking to put our parameters in > > > god's system, there is nothing like delay or advancement in > > > spirituality. So, " Delay " or " Speed " , " backwardness " > > > and " advancement " doesn't exist in spirituality, I thought if u r > > > thinking that it may take too much time, I wanted to tell u, it's > not > > > like that. there is no delay. > > > > > > It clicks in fraction of a second, when u r getting clicked > depends > > > on u and on god's will, when he wants u to get clicked. > > > > > > God sometimes graces for no reason ( " Ahetuka " ) just for his > > > compassion towards u and it may happen next minute too. > > > > > > spirituality is not delimited by time , effort and rules. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, Rafal Gendarz > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > Please be careful about words. > > > > > > > > Im happy that You are sharing Your experience - very inspirating > > > ones. > > > > > > > > Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If You treat Jyotish > > > Vedanga > > > > as profession similar to engineering You have a long way to go. > But > > > dont > > > > be pessimistic here are many who will try to help You in getting > > > proper > > > > understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > After some time You will agree with me about the mala and japa. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > > > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of developing ur > > > understanding, > > > > > u r trying to conclude something and going beyond that u r > > > messaging > > > > > same to many. > > > > > > > > > > I m touching 35, What's ur age ? > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like i m a > software > > > > > engineer, software engineering is my profession. spirituality > is > > > beyond > > > > > all sort of vidya or profession. > > > > > > > > > > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the bliss of self > > > awakening or > > > > > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel u and god is > > > > > connected. dissolved in each other. > > > > > > > > > > First realize, experience, then speak and then suggest to > others, > > > by > > > > > mere reading shastras or books u r not going to feel it. > unless > > > god > > > > > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont avoid this > sort > > > of > > > > > hurriedness instead of learning and understanding, it will > affect > > > u only > > > > > no one else. > > > > > > > > > > somehere i have read, it was written - By mere repeating " So- > > > Aham " no > > > > > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one doesnt get > > > cured by > > > > > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take the medicine > to > > > get > > > > > cured " . > > > > > > > > > > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here, i shared the > > > > > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a preecher, nor a > > > guru, nor > > > > > i have to make my followers, nor it's my profession, nor i > have > > > to get > > > > > fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a kind of > > > affection, > > > > > that's it. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, Rafal Gendarz > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishas > > > > > > > > > > > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than just counting, > so for > > > > > natives > > > > > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any other speculation > > > will be > > > > > > only illusory and just imagination. We should follow Pt. > > > > > Dakshinamoorti > > > > > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of spiritual > development > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > slow and unauthoritative. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji, > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read > GuruDakshinamurthyi > > > ji's > > > > > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in more > clarity > > > to the > > > > > > > applicability principles to my mail. > > > > > > > I meant that both are necessity but to what degree of time > (it > > > varies > > > > > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt maturity > such > > > that > > > > > that > > > > > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine forces after > some > > > initial > > > > > > > period of saadhana. > > > > > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in the japa maala > > > (which is > > > > > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from practical point of > > > view for > > > > > our > > > > > > > count) will help in keeping away destructive forces > acting on > > > us > > > > > .Thus > > > > > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in keeping > away > > > from > > > > > > > negative thoughts and also trains our memory to be object > > > > > oriented.If > > > > > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity increase the > Gnaana > > > will > > > > > > > increase ,but at the same time destructive forces > > > (diversions) also > > > > > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures will come in > > > handy to > > > > > > > successfully fight the negative forces.The rituals may be > > > Rising > > > > > > > early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking > > > bath,Japaanusthaan, > > > > > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in defined times > as > > > > > discipline > > > > > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through keeping our body > > > healthy. > > > > > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called symbolic > > > procedures > > > > > are > > > > > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but a > necessity > > > for > > > > > our > > > > > > > own good if we practice to the extent we can. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra. lalit%40gmail. > com>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count or dont > > > count,target > > > > > > > is realization of god's love within, I got it with no > > > counting, > > > > > > > someone may get it with counting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx, for the writing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com> > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, srinivasa > > > murthy adavi > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with > the > > > goal as > > > > > > > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of > the > > > Mantra > > > > > > > as Base. > > > > > > > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one > > > develops the > > > > > > > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will > > > automatically > > > > > > > take care of the practice(without count-help of malas > etc). > > > > > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up > for > > > 2 or 3 > > > > > > > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup > at > > > the same > > > > > > > time every day without help of alarm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With due Respects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smadavi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your > > > view is > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. > stop > > > > > > > counting > > > > > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and > then > > > > > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by > you > > > may be > > > > > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part > and > > > ur > > > > > part > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it > > > will be, > > > > > > > god > > > > > > > > > will ensure it for u. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out > > > limited > > > > > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual > > > growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put > in > > > for ur's > > > > > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity > counts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very > interesting > > > and > > > > > > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > > esoteric > > > > > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today > your > > > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! > > > Wonderful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in > the > > > > > Universe. > > > > > > > > > But, > > > > > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, > > > there are > > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult > > > practices. 108 > > > > > is > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we > have > > > > > > > understood > > > > > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the > fact > > > that > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the > > > information > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% > > > > > > > 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the > moon is > > > away > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun > is > > > away > > > > > > > from the > > > > > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to > > > deities > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya > > > desas of > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > com>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very > good > > > > > question. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras > has 4 > > > Charan > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > total > > > > > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan > has 3 > > > > > degree > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 > > > minutes to > > > > > 108 > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). > > > This > > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > represetns > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, > planets and > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional > > > horoscope. So > > > > > > > > > > chanting a > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. > > > Further One > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is > > > > > > > brahmagyani he > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, babu > mon > > > > > > > > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some > > > remedies > > > > > > > > > > recomended > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. 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Guest guest Report post Posted July 28, 2007 Well Lalith: If you have really done dasa Maha Vidyaa, you would have never approached a professional astrologer for consultation...that much I can say.... And what idiocy when you say Panditji is partly wrong? He said " Bhaktaas do not chant Moola mantras " , whereas you have edited the words to suit your ends....He never said " devotees don't chant Beej mantras " .....You are putting words into his mouth and assuming he is wrong! Why, do you know....the Great Panditji himself chants Moola mantras.....He is a bhakta and a mantra shastra expert. As a bhakta he keeps incessant chanting of naama japa throughout the day; as a mantra shastra expert, he restricts the moola mantra japams to stipulated times with ritual purity.....It is this wonderful practice that Guruji was alluding to. Guruji cannot be wrong in ritual and occult matters. Please understand that. There are 4 classes of Devotees.......1) Saatwik vedic devotees who will follow vedic dharma scrupulously. They will not dare to compare astrology and vedanga to Engineering! as you did... 2) Raajasik devotees who will follow vedic disciplines as far as possible, but will still go after upaasanaas of Demi-Gods for accomplishment of siddhis. Mantra shaastra experts usually fall in this category. 3) Saatwik Bhaktaas - for whom the meditation and glory of their Ishta Devataa is enough for spiritual satisfaction. It is this category that Guruji referred to when he said they will not chant Moola mantras too much. Definitely they will not do Dasa Mahaa Vidyaa. 4) Taamasic Devotees - Those whose main motive is to project themselves at all costs and acting as if they are equal to the experts; they will try ALL practices - whether they are sanctioned by vedas or not.....Their only aim is personal glory and satisfaction. They will attack even established dharma if they do not get results (sounds familiar....You are one!) Ignorance and half-baked knowledge and egotism are these persons' motivating fuel. You are really satan's Gift to this list.......My only prayer is that innocent members of this list do not get side-tracked with your ramblings. Let me make this clear to the list.....Panditji said that saatwik Bhaktaas who chant Divine names only due to Pure Love on God usually never chant mantrik moola mantraas. It is just one class of devotees. A rajasik bhakta who is a mantra-shaastra expert may even be a bhakta at heart; and a pure bhakta may sometimes chant some mantrik japams for solving some practical issues......But, when they switch their routines temporarily, these enlightened devotees usually take good guidance and follow the tenets of shaastras scrupulously....Definitely they will not sit on assumption like Lalith. On the one hand, this fellow claims he has done chants in forests, rivers, earth, etc. (Probably we have a Maharishi here! What heights of pointless pride in this young man list....it is disgusting!). On the other hand, he says he chants mantras in buses, trains, etc...... He is confused about which no body can have issues. Only his Guru should be concerned about that.....But, his attempts to stuff his shallow understanding upon this list is reprehensible. And, his habit of quoting experts out of context is really condemnable. May Jupiter's Light Shine on that fellow and teach him to respect the hallowed traditions and to stay at his level rather than trying to " teach " others (He has the audacity to claim he is " teaching " Rafalji!) If a mere young man of 35 years who has spent his life on a " Failed computer web desining business " , " pointless email chasing of girls " , and other " past times " can gain insight as he claims, how much will learned Gurus of this group with their life of devotion to vedanta and vedanga know? His peanut brain and hyper-inflated ego will never allow him to see this obvious truth. But, please list exercise your discretion while reading his posts (There are doubtless some good elements even in his posts; but mostly there is trash presented as philosophy). Mohanraaam vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > Dear Rafal, > > Do u think, a hobby means shallow knowledge of the domain, No rafal, > it's not like that. > > At least not for me. You have learnt and i m learning, i read ur's > replies and get benifitted, same way i wanted you to pay heed to > what i have written about spritiuality, mostrly i did write for u > > I have done all 10 mahavidyas of tantra and read many tantrik > classics, spent good deal of time with great tantriks trained in > Kamakhya and other places, keenly observed their doings, their > mistakes etc.., I did tremendous mantra chanting on water, on earth, > at home, in forests etc... > > then reached here, then i did write something, but sorry i dont > remember shlokas. i was not interested in cramming that. > > Panditji is not fully correct in saying that BeejMantras are not > chanted by devotees, I dont know much about South India but in North > normally its done. > > And a successfull mantra sadhana has to result in one's being a > devotee, the devotion is the outcome, final result of mantra sadhana, > perhaps, Pandit Ji believes mantras are power packet,thinks, i do it > this way , these many times and get this result, this is where most > of the people are confused. without being a good human being if we > think, we will achieve something in spirituality, is difficult, very > difficult. > > what happens is, with the mantra chanting, a self transformation > process begins, u if dont restrict urself, ur karma begins diluting, > and u begin ur purification process unknowingly, when substantial > part of ego and greed for respect vanishes and many such thing > togather, mantra awakens u and with the God's grace ur objective gets > fullfilled, gradually u become a devotee. ur being simple and being > devotee is sometimes is indication of ur's going on the right track. > > I think we have discussed a lot, it's enough !! > > My Boss has given me lot of projects to complete, so, may be, i m not > going to available in the group like i was recently. however. i will > complete Garg Hora series. > > regards, > Lalit. > > > > > vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz > <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > Then please dont generalize Your preferences as they are too > shallow for > > this Forum aspiration. > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > email: rafal@ > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > Dear Rafel, > > > > > > I take Astrology as a good hobby, and i w'd be looking at it with > an > > > engineer's approach. > > > > > > I asked ur age because, it's our thinking to put our parameters in > > > god's system, there is nothing like delay or advancement in > > > spirituality. So, " Delay " or " Speed " , " backwardness " > > > and " advancement " doesn't exist in spirituality, I thought if u r > > > thinking that it may take too much time, I wanted to tell u, it's > not > > > like that. there is no delay. > > > > > > It clicks in fraction of a second, when u r getting clicked > depends > > > on u and on god's will, when he wants u to get clicked. > > > > > > God sometimes graces for no reason ( " Ahetuka " ) just for his > > > compassion towards u and it may happen next minute too. > > > > > > spirituality is not delimited by time , effort and rules. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > Please be careful about words. > > > > > > > > Im happy that You are sharing Your experience - very inspirating > > > ones. > > > > > > > > Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If You treat Jyotish > > > Vedanga > > > > as profession similar to engineering You have a long way to go. > But > > > dont > > > > be pessimistic here are many who will try to help You in getting > > > proper > > > > understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > After some time You will agree with me about the mala and japa. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > > > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of developing ur > > > understanding, > > > > > u r trying to conclude something and going beyond that u r > > > messaging > > > > > same to many. > > > > > > > > > > I m touching 35, What's ur age ? > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like i m a > software > > > > > engineer, software engineering is my profession. spirituality > is > > > beyond > > > > > all sort of vidya or profession. > > > > > > > > > > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the bliss of self > > > awakening or > > > > > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel u and god is > > > > > connected. dissolved in each other. > > > > > > > > > > First realize, experience, then speak and then suggest to > others, > > > by > > > > > mere reading shastras or books u r not going to feel it. > unless > > > god > > > > > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont avoid this > sort > > > of > > > > > hurriedness instead of learning and understanding, it will > affect > > > u only > > > > > no one else. > > > > > > > > > > somehere i have read, it was written - By mere repeating " So- > > > Aham " no > > > > > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one doesnt get > > > cured by > > > > > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take the medicine > to > > > get > > > > > cured " . > > > > > > > > > > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here, i shared the > > > > > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a preecher, nor a > > > guru, nor > > > > > i have to make my followers, nor it's my profession, nor i > have > > > to get > > > > > fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a kind of > > > affection, > > > > > that's it. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, Rafal Gendarz > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishas > > > > > > > > > > > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than just counting, > so for > > > > > natives > > > > > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any other speculation > > > will be > > > > > > only illusory and just imagination. We should follow Pt. > > > > > Dakshinamoorti > > > > > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of spiritual > development > > > will > > > > > be > > > > > > slow and unauthoritative. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji, > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read > GuruDakshinamurthyi > > > ji's > > > > > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in more > clarity > > > to the > > > > > > > applicability principles to my mail. > > > > > > > I meant that both are necessity but to what degree of time > (it > > > varies > > > > > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt maturity > such > > > that > > > > > that > > > > > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine forces after > some > > > initial > > > > > > > period of saadhana. > > > > > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in the japa maala > > > (which is > > > > > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from practical point of > > > view for > > > > > our > > > > > > > count) will help in keeping away destructive forces > acting on > > > us > > > > > .Thus > > > > > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in keeping > away > > > from > > > > > > > negative thoughts and also trains our memory to be object > > > > > oriented.If > > > > > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity increase the > Gnaana > > > will > > > > > > > increase ,but at the same time destructive forces > > > (diversions) also > > > > > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures will come in > > > handy to > > > > > > > successfully fight the negative forces.The rituals may be > > > Rising > > > > > > > early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking > > > bath,Japaanusthaan, > > > > > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in defined times > as > > > > > discipline > > > > > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through keeping our body > > > healthy. > > > > > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called symbolic > > > procedures > > > > > are > > > > > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but a > necessity > > > for > > > > > our > > > > > > > own good if we practice to the extent we can. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra. lalit% 40gmail. > com>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count or dont > > > count,target > > > > > > > is realization of god's love within, I got it with no > > > counting, > > > > > > > someone may get it with counting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx, for the writing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com> > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, srinivasa > > > murthy adavi > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with > the > > > goal as > > > > > > > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of > the > > > Mantra > > > > > > > as Base. > > > > > > > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one > > > develops the > > > > > > > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will > > > automatically > > > > > > > take care of the practice(without count-help of malas > etc). > > > > > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up > for > > > 2 or 3 > > > > > > > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup > at > > > the same > > > > > > > time every day without help of alarm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With due Respects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smadavi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your > > > view is > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. > stop > > > > > > > counting > > > > > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and > then > > > > > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by > you > > > may be > > > > > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part > and > > > ur > > > > > part > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it > > > will be, > > > > > > > god > > > > > > > > > will ensure it for u. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out > > > limited > > > > > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual > > > growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put > in > > > for ur's > > > > > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity > counts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very > interesting > > > and > > > > > > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > > esoteric > > > > > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today > your > > > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! > > > Wonderful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in > the > > > > > Universe. > > > > > > > > > But, > > > > > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, > > > there are > > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult > > > practices. 108 > > > > > is > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we > have > > > > > > > understood > > > > > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the > fact > > > that > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the > > > information > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% > > > > > > > 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the > moon is > > > away > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun > is > > > away > > > > > > > from the > > > > > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to > > > deities > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya > > > desas of > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > com>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very > good > > > > > question. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras > has 4 > > > Charan > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > total > > > > > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan > has 3 > > > > > degree > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 > > > minutes to > > > > > 108 > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). > > > This > > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > represetns > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, > planets and > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional > > > horoscope. So > > > > > > > > > > chanting a > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. > > > Further One > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is > > > > > > > brahmagyani he > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, babu > mon > > > > > > > > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some > > > remedies > > > > > > > > > > recomended > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel > > > answers > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 28, 2007 Respected Mohanraaamji: Well said. Lalith is saying that " maybe in south india devotees don't chant Moola mantras but not so in North " ...What stupidity.....He does not seem to understand that " mantra shaastra experts " are also devotees, but they cannot be called as innocent saatwik bhaktaas! A typical example of a pure saadhwik bhakta will be Meera Bhai (was she not North Indian). Can Lalith say which Dasa Mahaa Vidya Meera Bhai practised? She was immersed in Krishna consciousness and Lover for Him. Her own Bhajans were her prayers in the bhaavana of Bhakti in the form of Love! This is not mantra shaastra. Another example will be Saant Tukhaaraam. These bhaktaas did not chant moola mantraas. Panditji Dakshinamoorthi was on dot in saying that " Pure bhaktaas do not chant complicated moola mantraas " . You have clarified this fact wonderfully in your post. I wish more knowledgeable persons also put erratic posters in their place just as Mohanraaamji does here. This will benefit more naive readers of these forums who might otherwise get confused as to which of the paths to follow. Actually, anyone can follow any path as he/ she deems it fit; but there should be consistency of procedures. We should not confuse mantrik rituals and bhakti doctrines. Bhaktaas can chant the names of Gods at anytime.....Mantra shaastra experts chanting advanced moola mantras should necessarily adopt ritual procedures for the welfare of themselves and others! Yes...improper chanting of mantras can cause danger to the society also just as proper chanting can help others. Hence, this cannot be considered as a personal preference of the aspirant. If this was not the case, why did sages codify spiritual practises scrupulously? Rafalji, Mohanraaamji, etc. are correct in saying it is best to follow Pandit Dakshinamoorthiji's advices on mantra shastra or japams. He is learned and he is living a life compatible to the shaastras though he has faced uncertain circumstances in his own personal life. He never compromised on principles and he willingly paid the price for that which most of us will never do. The words of such a person should obviously carry more weight. Abhishek. vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam wrote: > > Well Lalith: > > If you have really done dasa Maha Vidyaa, you would have never > approached a professional astrologer for consultation...that much I > can say.... > > And what idiocy when you say Panditji is partly wrong? He > said " Bhaktaas do not chant Moola mantras " , whereas you have edited > the words to suit your ends....He never said " devotees don't chant > Beej mantras " .....You are putting words into his mouth and assuming > he is wrong! Why, do you know....the Great Panditji himself chants > Moola mantras.....He is a bhakta and a mantra shastra expert. As a > bhakta he keeps incessant chanting of naama japa throughout the day; > as a mantra shastra expert, he restricts the moola mantra japams to > stipulated times with ritual purity.....It is this wonderful practice > that Guruji was alluding to. Guruji cannot be wrong in ritual and > occult matters. Please understand that. > > There are 4 classes of Devotees.......1) Saatwik vedic devotees who > will follow vedic dharma scrupulously. They will not dare to compare > astrology and vedanga to Engineering! as you did... > 2) Raajasik devotees who will follow vedic disciplines as far as > possible, but will still go after upaasanaas of Demi-Gods for > accomplishment of siddhis. Mantra shaastra experts usually fall in > this category. > 3) Saatwik Bhaktaas - for whom the meditation and glory of their > Ishta Devataa is enough for spiritual satisfaction. It is this > category that Guruji referred to when he said they will not chant > Moola mantras too much. Definitely they will not do Dasa Mahaa > Vidyaa. > 4) Taamasic Devotees - Those whose main motive is to project > themselves at all costs and acting as if they are equal to the > experts; they will try ALL practices - whether they are sanctioned by > vedas or not.....Their only aim is personal glory and satisfaction. > They will attack even established dharma if they do not get results > (sounds familiar....You are one!) Ignorance and half-baked knowledge > and egotism are these persons' motivating fuel. > > You are really satan's Gift to this list.......My only prayer is that > innocent members of this list do not get side-tracked with your > ramblings. > > Let me make this clear to the list.....Panditji said that saatwik > Bhaktaas who chant Divine names only due to Pure Love on God usually > never chant mantrik moola mantraas. It is just one class of > devotees. A rajasik bhakta who is a mantra-shaastra expert may even > be a bhakta at heart; and a pure bhakta may sometimes chant some > mantrik japams for solving some practical issues......But, when they > switch their routines temporarily, these enlightened devotees usually > take good guidance and follow the tenets of shaastras > scrupulously....Definitely they will not sit on assumption like > Lalith. > > On the one hand, this fellow claims he has done chants in forests, > rivers, earth, etc. (Probably we have a Maharishi here! What heights > of pointless pride in this young man list....it is disgusting!). On > the other hand, he says he chants mantras in buses, trains, etc...... > He is confused about which no body can have issues. Only his Guru > should be concerned about that.....But, his attempts to stuff his > shallow understanding upon this list is reprehensible. And, his > habit of quoting experts out of context is really condemnable. May > Jupiter's Light Shine on that fellow and teach him to respect the > hallowed traditions and to stay at his level rather than trying > to " teach " others (He has the audacity to claim he is " teaching " > Rafalji!) > > If a mere young man of 35 years who has spent his life on a " Failed > computer web desining business " , " pointless email chasing of girls " , > and other " past times " can gain insight as he claims, how much will > learned Gurus of this group with their life of devotion to vedanta > and vedanga know? His peanut brain and hyper-inflated ego will never > allow him to see this obvious truth. But, please list exercise your > discretion while reading his posts (There are doubtless some good > elements even in his posts; but mostly there is trash presented as > philosophy). > > Mohanraaam > > vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > Do u think, a hobby means shallow knowledge of the domain, No > rafal, > > it's not like that. > > > > At least not for me. You have learnt and i m learning, i read ur's > > replies and get benifitted, same way i wanted you to pay heed to > > what i have written about spritiuality, mostrly i did write for u > > > > I have done all 10 mahavidyas of tantra and read many tantrik > > classics, spent good deal of time with great tantriks trained in > > Kamakhya and other places, keenly observed their doings, their > > mistakes etc.., I did tremendous mantra chanting on water, on > earth, > > at home, in forests etc... > > > > then reached here, then i did write something, but sorry i dont > > remember shlokas. i was not interested in cramming that. > > > > Panditji is not fully correct in saying that BeejMantras are not > > chanted by devotees, I dont know much about South India but in > North > > normally its done. > > > > And a successfull mantra sadhana has to result in one's being a > > devotee, the devotion is the outcome, final result of mantra > sadhana, > > perhaps, Pandit Ji believes mantras are power packet,thinks, i do > it > > this way , these many times and get this result, this is where most > > of the people are confused. without being a good human being if we > > think, we will achieve something in spirituality, is difficult, > very > > difficult. > > > > what happens is, with the mantra chanting, a self transformation > > process begins, u if dont restrict urself, ur karma begins > diluting, > > and u begin ur purification process unknowingly, when substantial > > part of ego and greed for respect vanishes and many such thing > > togather, mantra awakens u and with the God's grace ur objective > gets > > fullfilled, gradually u become a devotee. ur being simple and being > > devotee is sometimes is indication of ur's going on the right track. > > > > I think we have discussed a lot, it's enough !! > > > > My Boss has given me lot of projects to complete, so, may be, i m > not > > going to available in the group like i was recently. however. i > will > > complete Garg Hora series. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz > > <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > Then please dont generalize Your preferences as they are too > > shallow for > > > this Forum aspiration. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > email: rafal@ > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > Dear Rafel, > > > > > > > > I take Astrology as a good hobby, and i w'd be looking at it > with > > an > > > > engineer's approach. > > > > > > > > I asked ur age because, it's our thinking to put our parameters > in > > > > god's system, there is nothing like delay or advancement in > > > > spirituality. So, " Delay " or " Speed " , " backwardness " > > > > and " advancement " doesn't exist in spirituality, I thought if u > r > > > > thinking that it may take too much time, I wanted to tell u, > it's > > not > > > > like that. there is no delay. > > > > > > > > It clicks in fraction of a second, when u r getting clicked > > depends > > > > on u and on god's will, when he wants u to get clicked. > > > > > > > > God sometimes graces for no reason ( " Ahetuka " ) just for his > > > > compassion towards u and it may happen next minute too. > > > > > > > > spirituality is not delimited by time , effort and rules. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > > > Please be careful about words. > > > > > > > > > > Im happy that You are sharing Your experience - very > inspirating > > > > ones. > > > > > > > > > > Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If You treat > Jyotish > > > > Vedanga > > > > > as profession similar to engineering You have a long way to > go. > > But > > > > dont > > > > > be pessimistic here are many who will try to help You in > getting > > > > proper > > > > > understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After some time You will agree with me about the mala and > japa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > > > > > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of developing ur > > > > understanding, > > > > > > u r trying to conclude something and going beyond that u r > > > > messaging > > > > > > same to many. > > > > > > > > > > > > I m touching 35, What's ur age ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like i m a > > software > > > > > > engineer, software engineering is my profession. > spirituality > > is > > > > beyond > > > > > > all sort of vidya or profession. > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the bliss of self > > > > awakening or > > > > > > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel u and god > is > > > > > > connected. dissolved in each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > First realize, experience, then speak and then suggest to > > others, > > > > by > > > > > > mere reading shastras or books u r not going to feel it. > > unless > > > > god > > > > > > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont avoid this > > sort > > > > of > > > > > > hurriedness instead of learning and understanding, it will > > affect > > > > u only > > > > > > no one else. > > > > > > > > > > > > somehere i have read, it was written - By mere > repeating " So- > > > > Aham " no > > > > > > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one doesnt get > > > > cured by > > > > > > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take the > medicine > > to > > > > get > > > > > > cured " . > > > > > > > > > > > > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here, i shared > the > > > > > > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a preecher, > nor a > > > > guru, nor > > > > > > i have to make my followers, nor it's my profession, nor i > > have > > > > to get > > > > > > fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a kind of > > > > affection, > > > > > > that's it. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than just counting, > > so for > > > > > > natives > > > > > > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any other > speculation > > > > will be > > > > > > > only illusory and just imagination. We should follow Pt. > > > > > > Dakshinamoorti > > > > > > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of spiritual > > development > > > > will > > > > > > be > > > > > > > slow and unauthoritative. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji, > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read > > GuruDakshinamurthyi > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in more > > clarity > > > > to the > > > > > > > > applicability principles to my mail. > > > > > > > > I meant that both are necessity but to what degree of > time > > (it > > > > varies > > > > > > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt maturity > > such > > > > that > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine forces after > > some > > > > initial > > > > > > > > period of saadhana. > > > > > > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in the japa maala > > > > (which is > > > > > > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from practical point > of > > > > view for > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > count) will help in keeping away destructive forces > > acting on > > > > us > > > > > > .Thus > > > > > > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in keeping > > away > > > > from > > > > > > > > negative thoughts and also trains our memory to be > object > > > > > > oriented.If > > > > > > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity increase the > > Gnaana > > > > will > > > > > > > > increase ,but at the same time destructive forces > > > > (diversions) also > > > > > > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures will come > in > > > > handy to > > > > > > > > successfully fight the negative forces.The rituals may > be > > > > Rising > > > > > > > > early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking > > > > bath,Japaanusthaan, > > > > > > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in defined > times > > as > > > > > > discipline > > > > > > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through keeping our > body > > > > healthy. > > > > > > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called symbolic > > > > procedures > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but a > > necessity > > > > for > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > own good if we practice to the extent we can. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra. lalit% > 40gmail. > > com>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count or dont > > > > count,target > > > > > > > > is realization of god's love within, I got it with no > > > > counting, > > > > > > > > someone may get it with counting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx, for the writing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com> > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, srinivasa > > > > murthy adavi > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with > > the > > > > goal as > > > > > > > > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha > of > > the > > > > Mantra > > > > > > > > as Base. > > > > > > > > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one > > > > develops the > > > > > > > > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will > > > > automatically > > > > > > > > take care of the practice(without count-help of malas > > etc). > > > > > > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake > up > > for > > > > 2 or 3 > > > > > > > > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we > wakeup > > at > > > > the same > > > > > > > > time every day without help of alarm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With due Respects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smadavi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. > Your > > > > view is > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U > pls. > > stop > > > > > > > > counting > > > > > > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego > and > > then > > > > > > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted > by > > you > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his > part > > and > > > > ur > > > > > > part > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, > it > > > > will be, > > > > > > > > god > > > > > > > > > > will ensure it for u. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out > > > > limited > > > > > > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our > spiritual > > > > growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u > put > > in > > > > for ur's > > > > > > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity > > counts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very > > interesting > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a > > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > > > esoteric > > > > > > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today > > your > > > > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! > > > > Wonderful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in > > the > > > > > > Universe. > > > > > > > > > > But, > > > > > > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier > post, > > > > there are > > > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult > > > > practices. 108 > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While > we > > have > > > > > > > > understood > > > > > > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the > > fact > > > > that > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the > > > > information > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful > response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% > > > > > > > > 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the > > moon is > > > > away > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the > sun > > is > > > > away > > > > > > > > from the > > > > > > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable > to > > > > deities > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya > > > > desas of > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > > com>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very > > good > > > > > > question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras > > has 4 > > > > Charan > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > total > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each > Charan > > has 3 > > > > > > degree > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 > > > > minutes to > > > > > > 108 > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle > (Circle). > > > > This > > > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > represetns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, > > planets and > > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional > > > > horoscope. So > > > > > > > > > > > chanting a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. > > > > Further One > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he > is > > > > > > > > brahmagyani he > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, babu > > mon > > > > > > > > > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that > some > > > > remedies > > > > > > > > > > > recomended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better > travel > > > > answers > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 28, 2007 Devotee = Bhakta, right !! and every one moves from Tamasik to Rajasik ... right !! when i tried astrology, out of curiosity, i contacted him, not to him only, some 8-10 ... that's my wish. remember, how lord rama was weeping ... , how shiva was being made for their better half,i m looking for her, my better half. Now, i think deeply. but if u r in a move to establish panditji like kanchi sankaracharya, i still have no problem, ask pandit ji first, in any case, he looks wiser than u. ok. vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam wrote: > > Well Lalith: > > If you have really done dasa Maha Vidyaa, you would have never > approached a professional astrologer for consultation...that much I > can say.... > > And what idiocy when you say Panditji is partly wrong? He > said " Bhaktaas do not chant Moola mantras " , whereas you have edited > the words to suit your ends....He never said " devotees don't chant > Beej mantras " .....You are putting words into his mouth and assuming > he is wrong! Why, do you know....the Great Panditji himself chants > Moola mantras.....He is a bhakta and a mantra shastra expert. As a > bhakta he keeps incessant chanting of naama japa throughout the day; > as a mantra shastra expert, he restricts the moola mantra japams to > stipulated times with ritual purity.....It is this wonderful practice > that Guruji was alluding to. Guruji cannot be wrong in ritual and > occult matters. Please understand that. > > There are 4 classes of Devotees.......1) Saatwik vedic devotees who > will follow vedic dharma scrupulously. They will not dare to compare > astrology and vedanga to Engineering! as you did... > 2) Raajasik devotees who will follow vedic disciplines as far as > possible, but will still go after upaasanaas of Demi-Gods for > accomplishment of siddhis. Mantra shaastra experts usually fall in > this category. > 3) Saatwik Bhaktaas - for whom the meditation and glory of their > Ishta Devataa is enough for spiritual satisfaction. It is this > category that Guruji referred to when he said they will not chant > Moola mantras too much. Definitely they will not do Dasa Mahaa > Vidyaa. > 4) Taamasic Devotees - Those whose main motive is to project > themselves at all costs and acting as if they are equal to the > experts; they will try ALL practices - whether they are sanctioned by > vedas or not.....Their only aim is personal glory and satisfaction. > They will attack even established dharma if they do not get results > (sounds familiar....You are one!) Ignorance and half-baked knowledge > and egotism are these persons' motivating fuel. > > You are really satan's Gift to this list.......My only prayer is that > innocent members of this list do not get side-tracked with your > ramblings. > > Let me make this clear to the list.....Panditji said that saatwik > Bhaktaas who chant Divine names only due to Pure Love on God usually > never chant mantrik moola mantraas. It is just one class of > devotees. A rajasik bhakta who is a mantra-shaastra expert may even > be a bhakta at heart; and a pure bhakta may sometimes chant some > mantrik japams for solving some practical issues......But, when they > switch their routines temporarily, these enlightened devotees usually > take good guidance and follow the tenets of shaastras > scrupulously....Definitely they will not sit on assumption like > Lalith. > > On the one hand, this fellow claims he has done chants in forests, > rivers, earth, etc. (Probably we have a Maharishi here! What heights > of pointless pride in this young man list....it is disgusting!). On > the other hand, he says he chants mantras in buses, trains, etc...... > He is confused about which no body can have issues. Only his Guru > should be concerned about that.....But, his attempts to stuff his > shallow understanding upon this list is reprehensible. And, his > habit of quoting experts out of context is really condemnable. May > Jupiter's Light Shine on that fellow and teach him to respect the > hallowed traditions and to stay at his level rather than trying > to " teach " others (He has the audacity to claim he is " teaching " > Rafalji!) > > If a mere young man of 35 years who has spent his life on a " Failed > computer web desining business " , " pointless email chasing of girls " , > and other " past times " can gain insight as he claims, how much will > learned Gurus of this group with their life of devotion to vedanta > and vedanga know? His peanut brain and hyper-inflated ego will never > allow him to see this obvious truth. But, please list exercise your > discretion while reading his posts (There are doubtless some good > elements even in his posts; but mostly there is trash presented as > philosophy). > > Mohanraaam > > vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > Do u think, a hobby means shallow knowledge of the domain, No > rafal, > > it's not like that. > > > > At least not for me. You have learnt and i m learning, i read ur's > > replies and get benifitted, same way i wanted you to pay heed to > > what i have written about spritiuality, mostrly i did write for u > > > > I have done all 10 mahavidyas of tantra and read many tantrik > > classics, spent good deal of time with great tantriks trained in > > Kamakhya and other places, keenly observed their doings, their > > mistakes etc.., I did tremendous mantra chanting on water, on > earth, > > at home, in forests etc... > > > > then reached here, then i did write something, but sorry i dont > > remember shlokas. i was not interested in cramming that. > > > > Panditji is not fully correct in saying that BeejMantras are not > > chanted by devotees, I dont know much about South India but in > North > > normally its done. > > > > And a successfull mantra sadhana has to result in one's being a > > devotee, the devotion is the outcome, final result of mantra > sadhana, > > perhaps, Pandit Ji believes mantras are power packet,thinks, i do > it > > this way , these many times and get this result, this is where most > > of the people are confused. without being a good human being if we > > think, we will achieve something in spirituality, is difficult, > very > > difficult. > > > > what happens is, with the mantra chanting, a self transformation > > process begins, u if dont restrict urself, ur karma begins > diluting, > > and u begin ur purification process unknowingly, when substantial > > part of ego and greed for respect vanishes and many such thing > > togather, mantra awakens u and with the God's grace ur objective > gets > > fullfilled, gradually u become a devotee. ur being simple and being > > devotee is sometimes is indication of ur's going on the right track. > > > > I think we have discussed a lot, it's enough !! > > > > My Boss has given me lot of projects to complete, so, may be, i m > not > > going to available in the group like i was recently. however. i > will > > complete Garg Hora series. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz > > <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > Then please dont generalize Your preferences as they are too > > shallow for > > > this Forum aspiration. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > email: rafal@ > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > Dear Rafel, > > > > > > > > I take Astrology as a good hobby, and i w'd be looking at it > with > > an > > > > engineer's approach. > > > > > > > > I asked ur age because, it's our thinking to put our parameters > in > > > > god's system, there is nothing like delay or advancement in > > > > spirituality. So, " Delay " or " Speed " , " backwardness " > > > > and " advancement " doesn't exist in spirituality, I thought if u > r > > > > thinking that it may take too much time, I wanted to tell u, > it's > > not > > > > like that. there is no delay. > > > > > > > > It clicks in fraction of a second, when u r getting clicked > > depends > > > > on u and on god's will, when he wants u to get clicked. > > > > > > > > God sometimes graces for no reason ( " Ahetuka " ) just for his > > > > compassion towards u and it may happen next minute too. > > > > > > > > spirituality is not delimited by time , effort and rules. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > > > Please be careful about words. > > > > > > > > > > Im happy that You are sharing Your experience - very > inspirating > > > > ones. > > > > > > > > > > Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If You treat > Jyotish > > > > Vedanga > > > > > as profession similar to engineering You have a long way to > go. > > But > > > > dont > > > > > be pessimistic here are many who will try to help You in > getting > > > > proper > > > > > understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After some time You will agree with me about the mala and > japa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > > > > > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of developing ur > > > > understanding, > > > > > > u r trying to conclude something and going beyond that u r > > > > messaging > > > > > > same to many. > > > > > > > > > > > > I m touching 35, What's ur age ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like i m a > > software > > > > > > engineer, software engineering is my profession. > spirituality > > is > > > > beyond > > > > > > all sort of vidya or profession. > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the bliss of self > > > > awakening or > > > > > > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel u and god > is > > > > > > connected. dissolved in each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > First realize, experience, then speak and then suggest to > > others, > > > > by > > > > > > mere reading shastras or books u r not going to feel it. > > unless > > > > god > > > > > > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont avoid this > > sort > > > > of > > > > > > hurriedness instead of learning and understanding, it will > > affect > > > > u only > > > > > > no one else. > > > > > > > > > > > > somehere i have read, it was written - By mere > repeating " So- > > > > Aham " no > > > > > > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one doesnt get > > > > cured by > > > > > > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take the > medicine > > to > > > > get > > > > > > cured " . > > > > > > > > > > > > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here, i shared > the > > > > > > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a preecher, > nor a > > > > guru, nor > > > > > > i have to make my followers, nor it's my profession, nor i > > have > > > > to get > > > > > > fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a kind of > > > > affection, > > > > > > that's it. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than just counting, > > so for > > > > > > natives > > > > > > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any other > speculation > > > > will be > > > > > > > only illusory and just imagination. We should follow Pt. > > > > > > Dakshinamoorti > > > > > > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of spiritual > > development > > > > will > > > > > > be > > > > > > > slow and unauthoritative. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji, > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read > > GuruDakshinamurthyi > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in more > > clarity > > > > to the > > > > > > > > applicability principles to my mail. > > > > > > > > I meant that both are necessity but to what degree of > time > > (it > > > > varies > > > > > > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt maturity > > such > > > > that > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine forces after > > some > > > > initial > > > > > > > > period of saadhana. > > > > > > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in the japa maala > > > > (which is > > > > > > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from practical point > of > > > > view for > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > count) will help in keeping away destructive forces > > acting on > > > > us > > > > > > .Thus > > > > > > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in keeping > > away > > > > from > > > > > > > > negative thoughts and also trains our memory to be > object > > > > > > oriented.If > > > > > > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity increase the > > Gnaana > > > > will > > > > > > > > increase ,but at the same time destructive forces > > > > (diversions) also > > > > > > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures will come > in > > > > handy to > > > > > > > > successfully fight the negative forces.The rituals may > be > > > > Rising > > > > > > > > early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking > > > > bath,Japaanusthaan, > > > > > > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in defined > times > > as > > > > > > discipline > > > > > > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through keeping our > body > > > > healthy. > > > > > > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called symbolic > > > > procedures > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but a > > necessity > > > > for > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > own good if we practice to the extent we can. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra. lalit% > 40gmail. > > com>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count or dont > > > > count,target > > > > > > > > is realization of god's love within, I got it with no > > > > counting, > > > > > > > > someone may get it with counting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx, for the writing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com> > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, srinivasa > > > > murthy adavi > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with > > the > > > > goal as > > > > > > > > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha > of > > the > > > > Mantra > > > > > > > > as Base. > > > > > > > > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one > > > > develops the > > > > > > > > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will > > > > automatically > > > > > > > > take care of the practice(without count-help of malas > > etc). > > > > > > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake > up > > for > > > > 2 or 3 > > > > > > > > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we > wakeup > > at > > > > the same > > > > > > > > time every day without help of alarm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With due Respects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smadavi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. > Your > > > > view is > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U > pls. > > stop > > > > > > > > counting > > > > > > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego > and > > then > > > > > > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted > by > > you > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his > part > > and > > > > ur > > > > > > part > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, > it > > > > will be, > > > > > > > > god > > > > > > > > > > will ensure it for u. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out > > > > limited > > > > > > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our > spiritual > > > > growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u > put > > in > > > > for ur's > > > > > > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity > > counts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very > > interesting > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a > > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > > > esoteric > > > > > > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today > > your > > > > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! > > > > Wonderful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in > > the > > > > > > Universe. > > > > > > > > > > But, > > > > > > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier > post, > > > > there are > > > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult > > > > practices. 108 > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While > we > > have > > > > > > > > understood > > > > > > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the > > fact > > > > that > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the > > > > information > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful > response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% > > > > > > > > 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the > > moon is > > > > away > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the > sun > > is > > > > away > > > > > > > > from the > > > > > > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable > to > > > > deities > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya > > > > desas of > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > > com>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very > > good > > > > > > question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras > > has 4 > > > > Charan > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > total > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each > Charan > > has 3 > > > > > > degree > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 > > > > minutes to > > > > > > 108 > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle > (Circle). > > > > This > > > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > represetns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, > > planets and > > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional > > > > horoscope. So > > > > > > > > > > > chanting a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. > > > > Further One > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he > is > > > > > > > > brahmagyani he > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, babu > > mon > > > > > > > > > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that > some > > > > remedies > > > > > > > > > > > recomended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better > travel > > > > answers > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 28, 2007 I was waiting for u dear.. why u took time ? Do u mean Meera Bai discussed with u, what she did.. Do u know 'Kleem Krishnay, Govindaya Gopijan Vallabhaya Namh' is a mantra for lord krishna. is there no beej mantras, to whom u wish to misguide ? let thnigs remain between lord, bhakta , their shraddha and their guru. why u people are so afraid of me, i m not in business of guru. i m happy with my life, my profession of software engineering and my hobbies ok. there are 7000+ members are here, by writing such type of foolish things u expose urself only, mind, there are better brains here. this is enough ... vedic astrology , " abhishekpotti " <abhishekpotti wrote: > > Respected Mohanraaamji: > > Well said. Lalith is saying that " maybe in south india devotees > don't chant Moola mantras but not so in North " ...What > stupidity.....He does not seem to understand that " mantra shaastra > experts " are also devotees, but they cannot be called as innocent > saatwik bhaktaas! A typical example of a pure saadhwik bhakta will > be Meera Bhai (was she not North Indian). Can Lalith say which Dasa > Mahaa Vidya Meera Bhai practised? She was immersed in Krishna > consciousness and Lover for Him. Her own Bhajans were her prayers in > the bhaavana of Bhakti in the form of Love! This is not mantra > shaastra. Another example will be Saant Tukhaaraam. These bhaktaas > did not chant moola mantraas. Panditji Dakshinamoorthi was on dot in > saying that " Pure bhaktaas do not chant complicated moola mantraas " . > You have clarified this fact wonderfully in your post. I wish more > knowledgeable persons also put erratic posters in their place just as > Mohanraaamji does here. This will benefit more naive readers of > these forums who might otherwise get confused as to which of the > paths to follow. Actually, anyone can follow any path as he/ she > deems it fit; but there should be consistency of procedures. > > We should not confuse mantrik rituals and bhakti doctrines. Bhaktaas > can chant the names of Gods at anytime.....Mantra shaastra experts > chanting advanced moola mantras should necessarily adopt ritual > procedures for the welfare of themselves and others! Yes...improper > chanting of mantras can cause danger to the society also just as > proper chanting can help others. Hence, this cannot be considered as > a personal preference of the aspirant. If this was not the case, why > did sages codify spiritual practises scrupulously? Rafalji, > Mohanraaamji, etc. are correct in saying it is best to follow Pandit > Dakshinamoorthiji's advices on mantra shastra or japams. He is > learned and he is living a life compatible to the shaastras though he > has faced uncertain circumstances in his own personal life. He never > compromised on principles and he willingly paid the price for that > which most of us will never do. The words of such a person should > obviously carry more weight. > > Abhishek. > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam@> > wrote: > > > > Well Lalith: > > > > If you have really done dasa Maha Vidyaa, you would have never > > approached a professional astrologer for consultation...that much I > > can say.... > > > > And what idiocy when you say Panditji is partly wrong? He > > said " Bhaktaas do not chant Moola mantras " , whereas you have edited > > the words to suit your ends....He never said " devotees don't chant > > Beej mantras " .....You are putting words into his mouth and assuming > > he is wrong! Why, do you know....the Great Panditji himself chants > > Moola mantras.....He is a bhakta and a mantra shastra expert. As a > > bhakta he keeps incessant chanting of naama japa throughout the > day; > > as a mantra shastra expert, he restricts the moola mantra japams to > > stipulated times with ritual purity.....It is this wonderful > practice > > that Guruji was alluding to. Guruji cannot be wrong in ritual and > > occult matters. Please understand that. > > > > There are 4 classes of Devotees.......1) Saatwik vedic devotees who > > will follow vedic dharma scrupulously. They will not dare to > compare > > astrology and vedanga to Engineering! as you did... > > 2) Raajasik devotees who will follow vedic disciplines as far as > > possible, but will still go after upaasanaas of Demi-Gods for > > accomplishment of siddhis. Mantra shaastra experts usually fall in > > this category. > > 3) Saatwik Bhaktaas - for whom the meditation and glory of their > > Ishta Devataa is enough for spiritual satisfaction. It is this > > category that Guruji referred to when he said they will not chant > > Moola mantras too much. Definitely they will not do Dasa Mahaa > > Vidyaa. > > 4) Taamasic Devotees - Those whose main motive is to project > > themselves at all costs and acting as if they are equal to the > > experts; they will try ALL practices - whether they are sanctioned > by > > vedas or not.....Their only aim is personal glory and > satisfaction. > > They will attack even established dharma if they do not get results > > (sounds familiar....You are one!) Ignorance and half-baked > knowledge > > and egotism are these persons' motivating fuel. > > > > You are really satan's Gift to this list.......My only prayer is > that > > innocent members of this list do not get side-tracked with your > > ramblings. > > > > Let me make this clear to the list.....Panditji said that saatwik > > Bhaktaas who chant Divine names only due to Pure Love on God > usually > > never chant mantrik moola mantraas. It is just one class of > > devotees. A rajasik bhakta who is a mantra-shaastra expert may > even > > be a bhakta at heart; and a pure bhakta may sometimes chant some > > mantrik japams for solving some practical issues......But, when > they > > switch their routines temporarily, these enlightened devotees > usually > > take good guidance and follow the tenets of shaastras > > scrupulously....Definitely they will not sit on assumption like > > Lalith. > > > > On the one hand, this fellow claims he has done chants in forests, > > rivers, earth, etc. (Probably we have a Maharishi here! What > heights > > of pointless pride in this young man list....it is disgusting!). > On > > the other hand, he says he chants mantras in buses, trains, > etc...... > > He is confused about which no body can have issues. Only his Guru > > should be concerned about that.....But, his attempts to stuff his > > shallow understanding upon this list is reprehensible. And, his > > habit of quoting experts out of context is really condemnable. May > > Jupiter's Light Shine on that fellow and teach him to respect the > > hallowed traditions and to stay at his level rather than trying > > to " teach " others (He has the audacity to claim he is " teaching " > > Rafalji!) > > > > If a mere young man of 35 years who has spent his life on a " Failed > > computer web desining business " , " pointless email chasing of > girls " , > > and other " past times " can gain insight as he claims, how much will > > learned Gurus of this group with their life of devotion to vedanta > > and vedanga know? His peanut brain and hyper-inflated ego will > never > > allow him to see this obvious truth. But, please list exercise > your > > discretion while reading his posts (There are doubtless some good > > elements even in his posts; but mostly there is trash presented as > > philosophy). > > > > Mohanraaam > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > Do u think, a hobby means shallow knowledge of the domain, No > > rafal, > > > it's not like that. > > > > > > At least not for me. You have learnt and i m learning, i read > ur's > > > replies and get benifitted, same way i wanted you to pay heed to > > > what i have written about spritiuality, mostrly i did write for u > > > > > > I have done all 10 mahavidyas of tantra and read many tantrik > > > classics, spent good deal of time with great tantriks trained in > > > Kamakhya and other places, keenly observed their doings, their > > > mistakes etc.., I did tremendous mantra chanting on water, on > > earth, > > > at home, in forests etc... > > > > > > then reached here, then i did write something, but sorry i dont > > > remember shlokas. i was not interested in cramming that. > > > > > > Panditji is not fully correct in saying that BeejMantras are not > > > chanted by devotees, I dont know much about South India but in > > North > > > normally its done. > > > > > > And a successfull mantra sadhana has to result in one's being a > > > devotee, the devotion is the outcome, final result of mantra > > sadhana, > > > perhaps, Pandit Ji believes mantras are power packet,thinks, i do > > it > > > this way , these many times and get this result, this is where > most > > > of the people are confused. without being a good human being if > we > > > think, we will achieve something in spirituality, is difficult, > > very > > > difficult. > > > > > > what happens is, with the mantra chanting, a self > transformation > > > process begins, u if dont restrict urself, ur karma begins > > diluting, > > > and u begin ur purification process unknowingly, when substantial > > > part of ego and greed for respect vanishes and many such thing > > > togather, mantra awakens u and with the God's grace ur objective > > gets > > > fullfilled, gradually u become a devotee. ur being simple and > being > > > devotee is sometimes is indication of ur's going on the right > track. > > > > > > I think we have discussed a lot, it's enough !! > > > > > > My Boss has given me lot of projects to complete, so, may be, i m > > not > > > going to available in the group like i was recently. however. i > > will > > > complete Garg Hora series. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz > > > <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > Then please dont generalize Your preferences as they are too > > > shallow for > > > > this Forum aspiration. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafel, > > > > > > > > > > I take Astrology as a good hobby, and i w'd be looking at it > > with > > > an > > > > > engineer's approach. > > > > > > > > > > I asked ur age because, it's our thinking to put our > parameters > > in > > > > > god's system, there is nothing like delay or advancement in > > > > > spirituality. So, " Delay " or " Speed " , " backwardness " > > > > > and " advancement " doesn't exist in spirituality, I thought if > u > > r > > > > > thinking that it may take too much time, I wanted to tell u, > > it's > > > not > > > > > like that. there is no delay. > > > > > > > > > > It clicks in fraction of a second, when u r getting clicked > > > depends > > > > > on u and on god's will, when he wants u to get clicked. > > > > > > > > > > God sometimes graces for no reason ( " Ahetuka " ) just for his > > > > > compassion towards u and it may happen next minute too. > > > > > > > > > > spirituality is not delimited by time , effort and rules. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please be careful about words. > > > > > > > > > > > > Im happy that You are sharing Your experience - very > > inspirating > > > > > ones. > > > > > > > > > > > > Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If You treat > > Jyotish > > > > > Vedanga > > > > > > as profession similar to engineering You have a long way to > > go. > > > But > > > > > dont > > > > > > be pessimistic here are many who will try to help You in > > getting > > > > > proper > > > > > > understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After some time You will agree with me about the mala and > > japa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of developing ur > > > > > understanding, > > > > > > > u r trying to conclude something and going beyond that u r > > > > > messaging > > > > > > > same to many. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m touching 35, What's ur age ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like i m a > > > software > > > > > > > engineer, software engineering is my profession. > > spirituality > > > is > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > all sort of vidya or profession. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the bliss of > self > > > > > awakening or > > > > > > > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel u and > god > > is > > > > > > > connected. dissolved in each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First realize, experience, then speak and then suggest to > > > others, > > > > > by > > > > > > > mere reading shastras or books u r not going to feel it. > > > unless > > > > > god > > > > > > > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont avoid > this > > > sort > > > > > of > > > > > > > hurriedness instead of learning and understanding, it > will > > > affect > > > > > u only > > > > > > > no one else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somehere i have read, it was written - By mere > > repeating " So- > > > > > Aham " no > > > > > > > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one doesnt > get > > > > > cured by > > > > > > > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take the > > medicine > > > to > > > > > get > > > > > > > cured " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here, i > shared > > the > > > > > > > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a preecher, > > nor a > > > > > guru, nor > > > > > > > i have to make my followers, nor it's my profession, nor > i > > > have > > > > > to get > > > > > > > fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a kind of > > > > > affection, > > > > > > > that's it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, Rafal > Gendarz > > > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than just > counting, > > > so for > > > > > > > natives > > > > > > > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any other > > speculation > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > only illusory and just imagination. We should follow Pt. > > > > > > > Dakshinamoorti > > > > > > > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of spiritual > > > development > > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > slow and unauthoritative. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji, > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read > > > GuruDakshinamurthyi > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in more > > > clarity > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > applicability principles to my mail. > > > > > > > > > I meant that both are necessity but to what degree of > > time > > > (it > > > > > varies > > > > > > > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt > maturity > > > such > > > > > that > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine forces > after > > > some > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > period of saadhana. > > > > > > > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in the japa > maala > > > > > (which is > > > > > > > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from practical > point > > of > > > > > view for > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > count) will help in keeping away destructive forces > > > acting on > > > > > us > > > > > > > .Thus > > > > > > > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in > keeping > > > away > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > negative thoughts and also trains our memory to be > > object > > > > > > > oriented.If > > > > > > > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity increase the > > > Gnaana > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > increase ,but at the same time destructive forces > > > > > (diversions) also > > > > > > > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures will > come > > in > > > > > handy to > > > > > > > > > successfully fight the negative forces.The rituals > may > > be > > > > > Rising > > > > > > > > > early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking > > > > > bath,Japaanusthaan, > > > > > > > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in defined > > times > > > as > > > > > > > discipline > > > > > > > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through keeping our > > body > > > > > healthy. > > > > > > > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called > symbolic > > > > > procedures > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but a > > > necessity > > > > > for > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > own good if we practice to the extent we can. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra. lalit% > > 40gmail. > > > com>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count or > dont > > > > > count,target > > > > > > > > > is realization of god's love within, I got it with no > > > > > counting, > > > > > > > > > someone may get it with counting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx, for the writing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, > srinivasa > > > > > murthy adavi > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or > with > > > the > > > > > goal as > > > > > > > > > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana > Devatha > > of > > > the > > > > > Mantra > > > > > > > > > as Base. > > > > > > > > > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one > > > > > develops the > > > > > > > > > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will > > > > > automatically > > > > > > > > > take care of the practice(without count-help of malas > > > etc). > > > > > > > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we > wake > > up > > > for > > > > > 2 or 3 > > > > > > > > > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we > > wakeup > > > at > > > > > the same > > > > > > > > > time every day without help of alarm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With due Respects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smadavi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. > > Your > > > > > view is > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U > > pls. > > > stop > > > > > > > > > counting > > > > > > > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego > > and > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra > chanted > > by > > > you > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his > > part > > > and > > > > > ur > > > > > > > part > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to > awaken, > > it > > > > > will be, > > > > > > > > > god > > > > > > > > > > > will ensure it for u. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with > out > > > > > limited > > > > > > > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our > > spiritual > > > > > growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u > > put > > > in > > > > > for ur's > > > > > > > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity > > > counts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very > > > interesting > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a > > > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > > > > esoteric > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and > today > > > your > > > > > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! > > > > > Wonderful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " > in > > > the > > > > > > > Universe. > > > > > > > > > > > But, > > > > > > > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier > > post, > > > > > there are > > > > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult > > > > > practices. 108 > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While > > we > > > have > > > > > > > > > understood > > > > > > > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of > the > > > fact > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for > the > > > > > information > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful > > response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% > > > > > > > > > 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the > > > moon is > > > > > away > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the > > sun > > > is > > > > > away > > > > > > > > > from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is > applicable > > to > > > > > deities > > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 > divya > > > > > desas of > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > > > com>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a > very > > > good > > > > > > > question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every > Nakshtras > > > has 4 > > > > > Charan > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > total > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each > > Charan > > > has 3 > > > > > > > degree > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 > > > > > minutes to > > > > > > > 108 > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle > > (Circle). > > > > > This > > > > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represetns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, > > > planets and > > > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional > > > > > horoscope. So > > > > > > > > > > > > chanting a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this > brahmand. > > > > > Further One > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. > he > > is > > > > > > > > > brahmagyani he > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his > name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, > babu > > > mon > > > > > > > > > > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that > > some > > > > > remedies > > > > > > > > > > > > recomended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a > reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. 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Guest guest Report post Posted July 28, 2007 And to tell u one more thing - mantra and god's name is one and same thing. both consists of akschharas. every akschhara of a varnmaala is itself a mantra. first understand that. and sometimes one akschhara of a God's name is also used as beeja - " Rang (pronounce like kleem) Ramaaya Namah " what is there ? " Ra " is used like beej, right !! " Sham shanaishrayee namah " what is there, " Sha " is used as beeja right. Every Beeja/Name finally takes u to same destination, ur union with God. whatever u think about u, mantrika or bhakta , in essence it is one and same thing. if u think differently, u think, i dont bother. ok. vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > > I was waiting for u dear.. > > why u took time ? > > Do u mean Meera Bai discussed with u, what she did.. > > Do u know 'Kleem Krishnay, Govindaya Gopijan Vallabhaya Namh' is a > mantra for lord krishna. > > is there no beej mantras, to whom u wish to misguide ? let thnigs > remain between lord, bhakta , their shraddha and their guru. > > why u people are so afraid of me, i m not in business of guru. > > i m happy with my life, my profession of software engineering and > my hobbies ok. > > there are 7000+ members are here, by writing such type of foolish > things u expose urself only, mind, there are better brains here. > > this is enough ... > > > > > > vedic astrology , > " abhishekpotti " <abhishekpotti@> wrote: > > > > Respected Mohanraaamji: > > > > Well said. Lalith is saying that " maybe in south india devotees > > don't chant Moola mantras but not so in North " ...What > > stupidity.....He does not seem to understand that " mantra shaastra > > experts " are also devotees, but they cannot be called as innocent > > saatwik bhaktaas! A typical example of a pure saadhwik bhakta will > > be Meera Bhai (was she not North Indian). Can Lalith say which > Dasa > > Mahaa Vidya Meera Bhai practised? She was immersed in Krishna > > consciousness and Lover for Him. Her own Bhajans were her prayers > in > > the bhaavana of Bhakti in the form of Love! This is not mantra > > shaastra. Another example will be Saant Tukhaaraam. These > bhaktaas > > did not chant moola mantraas. Panditji Dakshinamoorthi was on dot > in > > saying that " Pure bhaktaas do not chant complicated moola > mantraas " . > > You have clarified this fact wonderfully in your post. I wish more > > knowledgeable persons also put erratic posters in their place just > as > > Mohanraaamji does here. This will benefit more naive readers of > > these forums who might otherwise get confused as to which of the > > paths to follow. Actually, anyone can follow any path as he/ she > > deems it fit; but there should be consistency of procedures. > > > > We should not confuse mantrik rituals and bhakti doctrines. > Bhaktaas > > can chant the names of Gods at anytime.....Mantra shaastra experts > > chanting advanced moola mantras should necessarily adopt ritual > > procedures for the welfare of themselves and others! > Yes...improper > > chanting of mantras can cause danger to the society also just as > > proper chanting can help others. Hence, this cannot be considered > as > > a personal preference of the aspirant. If this was not the case, > why > > did sages codify spiritual practises scrupulously? Rafalji, > > Mohanraaamji, etc. are correct in saying it is best to follow > Pandit > > Dakshinamoorthiji's advices on mantra shastra or japams. He is > > learned and he is living a life compatible to the shaastras though > he > > has faced uncertain circumstances in his own personal life. He > never > > compromised on principles and he willingly paid the price for that > > which most of us will never do. The words of such a person should > > obviously carry more weight. > > > > Abhishek. > > > > vedic astrology , " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Well Lalith: > > > > > > If you have really done dasa Maha Vidyaa, you would have never > > > approached a professional astrologer for consultation...that much > I > > > can say.... > > > > > > And what idiocy when you say Panditji is partly wrong? He > > > said " Bhaktaas do not chant Moola mantras " , whereas you have > edited > > > the words to suit your ends....He never said " devotees don't > chant > > > Beej mantras " .....You are putting words into his mouth and > assuming > > > he is wrong! Why, do you know....the Great Panditji himself > chants > > > Moola mantras.....He is a bhakta and a mantra shastra expert. As > a > > > bhakta he keeps incessant chanting of naama japa throughout the > > day; > > > as a mantra shastra expert, he restricts the moola mantra japams > to > > > stipulated times with ritual purity.....It is this wonderful > > practice > > > that Guruji was alluding to. Guruji cannot be wrong in ritual > and > > > occult matters. Please understand that. > > > > > > There are 4 classes of Devotees.......1) Saatwik vedic devotees > who > > > will follow vedic dharma scrupulously. They will not dare to > > compare > > > astrology and vedanga to Engineering! as you did... > > > 2) Raajasik devotees who will follow vedic disciplines as far as > > > possible, but will still go after upaasanaas of Demi-Gods for > > > accomplishment of siddhis. Mantra shaastra experts usually fall > in > > > this category. > > > 3) Saatwik Bhaktaas - for whom the meditation and glory of their > > > Ishta Devataa is enough for spiritual satisfaction. It is this > > > category that Guruji referred to when he said they will not chant > > > Moola mantras too much. Definitely they will not do Dasa Mahaa > > > Vidyaa. > > > 4) Taamasic Devotees - Those whose main motive is to project > > > themselves at all costs and acting as if they are equal to the > > > experts; they will try ALL practices - whether they are > sanctioned > > by > > > vedas or not.....Their only aim is personal glory and > > satisfaction. > > > They will attack even established dharma if they do not get > results > > > (sounds familiar....You are one!) Ignorance and half-baked > > knowledge > > > and egotism are these persons' motivating fuel. > > > > > > You are really satan's Gift to this list.......My only prayer is > > that > > > innocent members of this list do not get side-tracked with your > > > ramblings. > > > > > > Let me make this clear to the list.....Panditji said that saatwik > > > Bhaktaas who chant Divine names only due to Pure Love on God > > usually > > > never chant mantrik moola mantraas. It is just one class of > > > devotees. A rajasik bhakta who is a mantra-shaastra expert may > > even > > > be a bhakta at heart; and a pure bhakta may sometimes chant some > > > mantrik japams for solving some practical issues......But, when > > they > > > switch their routines temporarily, these enlightened devotees > > usually > > > take good guidance and follow the tenets of shaastras > > > scrupulously....Definitely they will not sit on assumption like > > > Lalith. > > > > > > On the one hand, this fellow claims he has done chants in > forests, > > > rivers, earth, etc. (Probably we have a Maharishi here! What > > heights > > > of pointless pride in this young man list....it is disgusting!). > > On > > > the other hand, he says he chants mantras in buses, trains, > > etc...... > > > He is confused about which no body can have issues. Only his > Guru > > > should be concerned about that.....But, his attempts to stuff his > > > shallow understanding upon this list is reprehensible. And, his > > > habit of quoting experts out of context is really condemnable. > May > > > Jupiter's Light Shine on that fellow and teach him to respect the > > > hallowed traditions and to stay at his level rather than trying > > > to " teach " others (He has the audacity to claim he is " teaching " > > > Rafalji!) > > > > > > If a mere young man of 35 years who has spent his life on a > " Failed > > > computer web desining business " , " pointless email chasing of > > girls " , > > > and other " past times " can gain insight as he claims, how much > will > > > learned Gurus of this group with their life of devotion to > vedanta > > > and vedanga know? His peanut brain and hyper-inflated ego will > > never > > > allow him to see this obvious truth. But, please list exercise > > your > > > discretion while reading his posts (There are doubtless some good > > > elements even in his posts; but mostly there is trash presented > as > > > philosophy). > > > > > > Mohanraaam > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > Do u think, a hobby means shallow knowledge of the domain, No > > > rafal, > > > > it's not like that. > > > > > > > > At least not for me. You have learnt and i m learning, i read > > ur's > > > > replies and get benifitted, same way i wanted you to pay heed > to > > > > what i have written about spritiuality, mostrly i did write for > u > > > > > > > > I have done all 10 mahavidyas of tantra and read many tantrik > > > > classics, spent good deal of time with great tantriks trained > in > > > > Kamakhya and other places, keenly observed their doings, their > > > > mistakes etc.., I did tremendous mantra chanting on water, on > > > earth, > > > > at home, in forests etc... > > > > > > > > then reached here, then i did write something, but sorry i dont > > > > remember shlokas. i was not interested in cramming that. > > > > > > > > Panditji is not fully correct in saying that BeejMantras are > not > > > > chanted by devotees, I dont know much about South India but in > > > North > > > > normally its done. > > > > > > > > And a successfull mantra sadhana has to result in one's being a > > > > devotee, the devotion is the outcome, final result of mantra > > > sadhana, > > > > perhaps, Pandit Ji believes mantras are power packet,thinks, i > do > > > it > > > > this way , these many times and get this result, this is where > > most > > > > of the people are confused. without being a good human being if > > we > > > > think, we will achieve something in spirituality, is difficult, > > > very > > > > difficult. > > > > > > > > what happens is, with the mantra chanting, a self > > transformation > > > > process begins, u if dont restrict urself, ur karma begins > > > diluting, > > > > and u begin ur purification process unknowingly, when > substantial > > > > part of ego and greed for respect vanishes and many such thing > > > > togather, mantra awakens u and with the God's grace ur > objective > > > gets > > > > fullfilled, gradually u become a devotee. ur being simple and > > being > > > > devotee is sometimes is indication of ur's going on the right > > track. > > > > > > > > I think we have discussed a lot, it's enough !! > > > > > > > > My Boss has given me lot of projects to complete, so, may be, i > m > > > not > > > > going to available in the group like i was recently. however. i > > > will > > > > complete Garg Hora series. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz > > > > <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > > > Then please dont generalize Your preferences as they are too > > > > shallow for > > > > > this Forum aspiration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafel, > > > > > > > > > > > > I take Astrology as a good hobby, and i w'd be looking at > it > > > with > > > > an > > > > > > engineer's approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > I asked ur age because, it's our thinking to put our > > parameters > > > in > > > > > > god's system, there is nothing like delay or advancement in > > > > > > spirituality. So, " Delay " or " Speed " , " backwardness " > > > > > > and " advancement " doesn't exist in spirituality, I thought > if > > u > > > r > > > > > > thinking that it may take too much time, I wanted to tell > u, > > > it's > > > > not > > > > > > like that. there is no delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > It clicks in fraction of a second, when u r getting clicked > > > > depends > > > > > > on u and on god's will, when he wants u to get clicked. > > > > > > > > > > > > God sometimes graces for no reason ( " Ahetuka " ) just for his > > > > > > compassion towards u and it may happen next minute too. > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality is not delimited by time , effort and rules. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please be careful about words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Im happy that You are sharing Your experience - very > > > inspirating > > > > > > ones. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If You treat > > > Jyotish > > > > > > Vedanga > > > > > > > as profession similar to engineering You have a long way > to > > > go. > > > > But > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > be pessimistic here are many who will try to help You in > > > getting > > > > > > proper > > > > > > > understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After some time You will agree with me about the mala and > > > japa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of developing > ur > > > > > > understanding, > > > > > > > > u r trying to conclude something and going beyond that > u r > > > > > > messaging > > > > > > > > same to many. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m touching 35, What's ur age ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like i m a > > > > software > > > > > > > > engineer, software engineering is my profession. > > > spirituality > > > > is > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > all sort of vidya or profession. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the bliss of > > self > > > > > > awakening or > > > > > > > > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel u and > > god > > > is > > > > > > > > connected. dissolved in each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First realize, experience, then speak and then suggest > to > > > > others, > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > mere reading shastras or books u r not going to feel > it. > > > > unless > > > > > > god > > > > > > > > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont avoid > > this > > > > sort > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > hurriedness instead of learning and understanding, it > > will > > > > affect > > > > > > u only > > > > > > > > no one else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somehere i have read, it was written - By mere > > > repeating " So- > > > > > > Aham " no > > > > > > > > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one > doesnt > > get > > > > > > cured by > > > > > > > > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take the > > > medicine > > > > to > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > cured " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here, i > > shared > > > the > > > > > > > > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a > preecher, > > > nor a > > > > > > guru, nor > > > > > > > > i have to make my followers, nor it's my profession, > nor > > i > > > > have > > > > > > to get > > > > > > > > fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a kind of > > > > > > affection, > > > > > > > > that's it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, Rafal > > Gendarz > > > > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than just > > counting, > > > > so for > > > > > > > > natives > > > > > > > > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any other > > > speculation > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > only illusory and just imagination. We should follow > Pt. > > > > > > > > Dakshinamoorti > > > > > > > > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of spiritual > > > > development > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > slow and unauthoritative. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read > > > > GuruDakshinamurthyi > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in > more > > > > clarity > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > applicability principles to my mail. > > > > > > > > > > I meant that both are necessity but to what degree > of > > > time > > > > (it > > > > > > varies > > > > > > > > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt > > maturity > > > > such > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine forces > > after > > > > some > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > period of saadhana. > > > > > > > > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in the japa > > maala > > > > > > (which is > > > > > > > > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from practical > > point > > > of > > > > > > view for > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > count) will help in keeping away destructive forces > > > > acting on > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > .Thus > > > > > > > > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in > > keeping > > > > away > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > negative thoughts and also trains our memory to be > > > object > > > > > > > > oriented.If > > > > > > > > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity increase > the > > > > Gnaana > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > increase ,but at the same time destructive forces > > > > > > (diversions) also > > > > > > > > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures will > > come > > > in > > > > > > handy to > > > > > > > > > > successfully fight the negative forces.The rituals > > may > > > be > > > > > > Rising > > > > > > > > > > early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking > > > > > > bath,Japaanusthaan, > > > > > > > > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in defined > > > times > > > > as > > > > > > > > discipline > > > > > > > > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through keeping > our > > > body > > > > > > healthy. > > > > > > > > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called > > symbolic > > > > > > procedures > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but a > > > > necessity > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > own good if we practice to the extent we can. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra. lalit% > > > 40gmail. > > > > com>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count or > > dont > > > > > > count,target > > > > > > > > > > is realization of god's love within, I got it with > no > > > > > > counting, > > > > > > > > > > someone may get it with counting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx, for the writing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, > > srinivasa > > > > > > murthy adavi > > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/ or > > with > > > > the > > > > > > goal as > > > > > > > > > > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana > > Devatha > > > of > > > > the > > > > > > Mantra > > > > > > > > > > as Base. > > > > > > > > > > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as > one > > > > > > develops the > > > > > > > > > > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body > will > > > > > > automatically > > > > > > > > > > take care of the practice(without count-help of > malas > > > > etc). > > > > > > > > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we > > wake > > > up > > > > for > > > > > > 2 or 3 > > > > > > > > > > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we > > > wakeup > > > > at > > > > > > the same > > > > > > > > > > time every day without help of alarm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With due Respects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smadavi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on > Mala. > > > Your > > > > > > view is > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be > rejected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, > U > > > pls. > > > > stop > > > > > > > > > > counting > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false > ego > > > and > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra > > chanted > > > by > > > > you > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's > his > > > part > > > > and > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > part > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to > > awaken, > > > it > > > > > > will be, > > > > > > > > > > god > > > > > > > > > > > > will ensure it for u. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent > with > > out > > > > > > limited > > > > > > > > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our > > > spiritual > > > > > > growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time > u > > > put > > > > in > > > > > > for ur's > > > > > > > > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity > > > > counts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very > > > > interesting > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we > had a > > > > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > > > > > esoteric > > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and > > today > > > > your > > > > > > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the > cosmos! > > > > > > Wonderful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical > symphony " > > in > > > > the > > > > > > > > Universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > But, > > > > > > > > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier > > > post, > > > > > > there are > > > > > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult > > > > > > practices. 108 > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect > number...While > > > we > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > understood > > > > > > > > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of > > the > > > > fact > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for > > the > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful > > > response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% > > > > > > > > > > 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - > the > > > > moon is > > > > > > away > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and > the > > > sun > > > > is > > > > > > away > > > > > > > > > > from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is > > applicable > > > to > > > > > > deities > > > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 > > divya > > > > > > desas of > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > > > > com>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a > > very > > > > good > > > > > > > > question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every > > Nakshtras > > > > has 4 > > > > > > Charan > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > total > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each > > > Charan > > > > has 3 > > > > > > > > degree > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and > 20 > > > > > > minutes to > > > > > > > > 108 > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle > > > (Circle). > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represetns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, > > > > planets and > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 > dimensional > > > > > > horoscope. So > > > > > > > > > > > > > chanting a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this > > brahmand. > > > > > > Further One > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time > i.e. > > he > > > is > > > > > > > > > > brahmagyani he > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his > > name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, > > babu > > > > mon > > > > > > > > > > > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason > that > > > some > > > > > > remedies > > > > > > > > > > > > > recomended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a > > reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better > > > travel > > > > > > answers > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > have > > > been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 28, 2007 Dear Lalith: Again the peak of ignorance from you! Everything in the world - every language is composed of aksharaas.....Moola mantras are different from naama mantraas....It is not a question of which is best....We only wish to point that there are difference in the ways and attitudes with which they are approached.... If you - a mere profiting software engineer with your part-time interest in sadhanas know this much, how much more will the learned Gurujis who have devoted their life and have richer occult experience of a practical variety know about these things? Did you not read about my post on the Deva Prashna experiences ? Read that.....You might have heard of such things, but in the Headquarters of Tantricism - Kerala, we know these things better.....Stop spreading your shallow thoughts here as if they are the very depth of mysticism! Mohanraaamji called you an " idiot " ....Even this is composed of the aksharaas " Im " " Diom " and " T " . So, is this a mantra? So, you will attain salvation by chanting just " idiot " , " idiot " ......? Is that your idea? You say you often chant various mantras....why don't you try chanting Medha sooktham to give you a subtle understanding of things? Just because a sculptor uses the hammer and chisel, if the woodcutter also does the same to the stone, will it turn into an idol? You are the woodcutter; don't use your sloppy techniques on exalted philosophies just because you see other more talented and knowledgeable members are posting matters on that. In fact, even I do not post much things here because when there are more qualified persons here, why should I disturb this group with my imperfections (I can assure you that I am myself well knowledgeable in these fields; yet I think twice before posting in this august group and answer queries only if they are raised to me. And you a part-time jack of all trades feel competent to raise issues time and again). Abhishek vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > > And to tell u one more thing - > > mantra and god's name is one and same thing. > > both consists of akschharas. every akschhara of a varnmaala is > itself a mantra. first understand that. > > and sometimes one akschhara of a God's name is also used as beeja - > > " Rang (pronounce like kleem) Ramaaya Namah " > > what is there ? " Ra " is used like beej, right !! > > " Sham shanaishrayee namah " what is there, " Sha " is used as beeja > right. > > Every Beeja/Name finally takes u to same destination, ur union with > God. > > whatever u think about u, mantrika or bhakta , in essence it is one > and same thing. > > > if u think differently, u think, i dont bother. > > > ok. > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@> > wrote: > > > > > > I was waiting for u dear.. > > > > why u took time ? > > > > Do u mean Meera Bai discussed with u, what she did.. > > > > Do u know 'Kleem Krishnay, Govindaya Gopijan Vallabhaya Namh' is a > > mantra for lord krishna. > > > > is there no beej mantras, to whom u wish to misguide ? let thnigs > > remain between lord, bhakta , their shraddha and their guru. > > > > why u people are so afraid of me, i m not in business of guru. > > > > i m happy with my life, my profession of software engineering and > > my hobbies ok. > > > > there are 7000+ members are here, by writing such type of foolish > > things u expose urself only, mind, there are better brains here. > > > > this is enough ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , > > " abhishekpotti " <abhishekpotti@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Mohanraaamji: > > > > > > Well said. Lalith is saying that " maybe in south india devotees > > > don't chant Moola mantras but not so in North " ...What > > > stupidity.....He does not seem to understand that " mantra > shaastra > > > experts " are also devotees, but they cannot be called as innocent > > > saatwik bhaktaas! A typical example of a pure saadhwik bhakta > will > > > be Meera Bhai (was she not North Indian). Can Lalith say which > > Dasa > > > Mahaa Vidya Meera Bhai practised? She was immersed in Krishna > > > consciousness and Lover for Him. Her own Bhajans were her > prayers > > in > > > the bhaavana of Bhakti in the form of Love! This is not mantra > > > shaastra. Another example will be Saant Tukhaaraam. These > > bhaktaas > > > did not chant moola mantraas. Panditji Dakshinamoorthi was on > dot > > in > > > saying that " Pure bhaktaas do not chant complicated moola > > mantraas " . > > > You have clarified this fact wonderfully in your post. I wish > more > > > knowledgeable persons also put erratic posters in their place > just > > as > > > Mohanraaamji does here. This will benefit more naive readers of > > > these forums who might otherwise get confused as to which of the > > > paths to follow. Actually, anyone can follow any path as he/ she > > > deems it fit; but there should be consistency of procedures. > > > > > > We should not confuse mantrik rituals and bhakti doctrines. > > Bhaktaas > > > can chant the names of Gods at anytime.....Mantra shaastra > experts > > > chanting advanced moola mantras should necessarily adopt ritual > > > procedures for the welfare of themselves and others! > > Yes...improper > > > chanting of mantras can cause danger to the society also just as > > > proper chanting can help others. Hence, this cannot be > considered > > as > > > a personal preference of the aspirant. If this was not the case, > > why > > > did sages codify spiritual practises scrupulously? Rafalji, > > > Mohanraaamji, etc. are correct in saying it is best to follow > > Pandit > > > Dakshinamoorthiji's advices on mantra shastra or japams. He is > > > learned and he is living a life compatible to the shaastras > though > > he > > > has faced uncertain circumstances in his own personal life. He > > never > > > compromised on principles and he willingly paid the price for > that > > > which most of us will never do. The words of such a person > should > > > obviously carry more weight. > > > > > > Abhishek. > > > > > > vedic astrology , > " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Well Lalith: > > > > > > > > If you have really done dasa Maha Vidyaa, you would have never > > > > approached a professional astrologer for consultation...that > much > > I > > > > can say.... > > > > > > > > And what idiocy when you say Panditji is partly wrong? He > > > > said " Bhaktaas do not chant Moola mantras " , whereas you have > > edited > > > > the words to suit your ends....He never said " devotees don't > > chant > > > > Beej mantras " .....You are putting words into his mouth and > > assuming > > > > he is wrong! Why, do you know....the Great Panditji himself > > chants > > > > Moola mantras.....He is a bhakta and a mantra shastra expert. > As > > a > > > > bhakta he keeps incessant chanting of naama japa throughout the > > > day; > > > > as a mantra shastra expert, he restricts the moola mantra > japams > > to > > > > stipulated times with ritual purity.....It is this wonderful > > > practice > > > > that Guruji was alluding to. Guruji cannot be wrong in ritual > > and > > > > occult matters. Please understand that. > > > > > > > > There are 4 classes of Devotees.......1) Saatwik vedic devotees > > who > > > > will follow vedic dharma scrupulously. They will not dare to > > > compare > > > > astrology and vedanga to Engineering! as you did... > > > > 2) Raajasik devotees who will follow vedic disciplines as far > as > > > > possible, but will still go after upaasanaas of Demi-Gods for > > > > accomplishment of siddhis. Mantra shaastra experts usually > fall > > in > > > > this category. > > > > 3) Saatwik Bhaktaas - for whom the meditation and glory of > their > > > > Ishta Devataa is enough for spiritual satisfaction. It is this > > > > category that Guruji referred to when he said they will not > chant > > > > Moola mantras too much. Definitely they will not do Dasa Mahaa > > > > Vidyaa. > > > > 4) Taamasic Devotees - Those whose main motive is to project > > > > themselves at all costs and acting as if they are equal to the > > > > experts; they will try ALL practices - whether they are > > sanctioned > > > by > > > > vedas or not.....Their only aim is personal glory and > > > satisfaction. > > > > They will attack even established dharma if they do not get > > results > > > > (sounds familiar....You are one!) Ignorance and half-baked > > > knowledge > > > > and egotism are these persons' motivating fuel. > > > > > > > > You are really satan's Gift to this list.......My only prayer > is > > > that > > > > innocent members of this list do not get side-tracked with your > > > > ramblings. > > > > > > > > Let me make this clear to the list.....Panditji said that > saatwik > > > > Bhaktaas who chant Divine names only due to Pure Love on God > > > usually > > > > never chant mantrik moola mantraas. It is just one class of > > > > devotees. A rajasik bhakta who is a mantra-shaastra expert may > > > even > > > > be a bhakta at heart; and a pure bhakta may sometimes chant > some > > > > mantrik japams for solving some practical issues......But, when > > > they > > > > switch their routines temporarily, these enlightened devotees > > > usually > > > > take good guidance and follow the tenets of shaastras > > > > scrupulously....Definitely they will not sit on assumption like > > > > Lalith. > > > > > > > > On the one hand, this fellow claims he has done chants in > > forests, > > > > rivers, earth, etc. (Probably we have a Maharishi here! What > > > heights > > > > of pointless pride in this young man list....it is > disgusting!). > > > On > > > > the other hand, he says he chants mantras in buses, trains, > > > etc...... > > > > He is confused about which no body can have issues. Only his > > Guru > > > > should be concerned about that.....But, his attempts to stuff > his > > > > shallow understanding upon this list is reprehensible. And, > his > > > > habit of quoting experts out of context is really condemnable. > > May > > > > Jupiter's Light Shine on that fellow and teach him to respect > the > > > > hallowed traditions and to stay at his level rather than trying > > > > to " teach " others (He has the audacity to claim he is > " teaching " > > > > Rafalji!) > > > > > > > > If a mere young man of 35 years who has spent his life on a > > " Failed > > > > computer web desining business " , " pointless email chasing of > > > girls " , > > > > and other " past times " can gain insight as he claims, how much > > will > > > > learned Gurus of this group with their life of devotion to > > vedanta > > > > and vedanga know? His peanut brain and hyper-inflated ego will > > > never > > > > allow him to see this obvious truth. But, please list exercise > > > your > > > > discretion while reading his posts (There are doubtless some > good > > > > elements even in his posts; but mostly there is trash presented > > as > > > > philosophy). > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , > " litsol " <mishra.lalit@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > > > Do u think, a hobby means shallow knowledge of the domain, No > > > > rafal, > > > > > it's not like that. > > > > > > > > > > At least not for me. You have learnt and i m learning, i read > > > ur's > > > > > replies and get benifitted, same way i wanted you to pay > heed > > to > > > > > what i have written about spritiuality, mostrly i did write > for > > u > > > > > > > > > > I have done all 10 mahavidyas of tantra and read many tantrik > > > > > classics, spent good deal of time with great tantriks > trained > > in > > > > > Kamakhya and other places, keenly observed their doings, > their > > > > > mistakes etc.., I did tremendous mantra chanting on water, > on > > > > earth, > > > > > at home, in forests etc... > > > > > > > > > > then reached here, then i did write something, but sorry i > dont > > > > > remember shlokas. i was not interested in cramming that. > > > > > > > > > > Panditji is not fully correct in saying that BeejMantras are > > not > > > > > chanted by devotees, I dont know much about South India but > in > > > > North > > > > > normally its done. > > > > > > > > > > And a successfull mantra sadhana has to result in one's being > a > > > > > devotee, the devotion is the outcome, final result of mantra > > > > sadhana, > > > > > perhaps, Pandit Ji believes mantras are power packet,thinks, > i > > do > > > > it > > > > > this way , these many times and get this result, this is > where > > > most > > > > > of the people are confused. without being a good human being > if > > > we > > > > > think, we will achieve something in spirituality, is > difficult, > > > > very > > > > > difficult. > > > > > > > > > > what happens is, with the mantra chanting, a self > > > transformation > > > > > process begins, u if dont restrict urself, ur karma begins > > > > diluting, > > > > > and u begin ur purification process unknowingly, when > > substantial > > > > > part of ego and greed for respect vanishes and many such > thing > > > > > togather, mantra awakens u and with the God's grace ur > > objective > > > > gets > > > > > fullfilled, gradually u become a devotee. ur being simple and > > > being > > > > > devotee is sometimes is indication of ur's going on the right > > > track. > > > > > > > > > > I think we have discussed a lot, it's enough !! > > > > > > > > > > My Boss has given me lot of projects to complete, so, may be, > i > > m > > > > not > > > > > going to available in the group like i was recently. however. > i > > > > will > > > > > complete Garg Hora series. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz > > > > > <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > > > > > Then please dont generalize Your preferences as they are > too > > > > > shallow for > > > > > > this Forum aspiration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafel, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I take Astrology as a good hobby, and i w'd be looking at > > it > > > > with > > > > > an > > > > > > > engineer's approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I asked ur age because, it's our thinking to put our > > > parameters > > > > in > > > > > > > god's system, there is nothing like delay or advancement > in > > > > > > > spirituality. So, " Delay " or " Speed " , " backwardness " > > > > > > > and " advancement " doesn't exist in spirituality, I > thought > > if > > > u > > > > r > > > > > > > thinking that it may take too much time, I wanted to tell > > u, > > > > it's > > > > > not > > > > > > > like that. there is no delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It clicks in fraction of a second, when u r getting > clicked > > > > > depends > > > > > > > on u and on god's will, when he wants u to get clicked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God sometimes graces for no reason ( " Ahetuka " ) just for > his > > > > > > > compassion towards u and it may happen next minute too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality is not delimited by time , effort and rules. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please be careful about words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Im happy that You are sharing Your experience - very > > > > inspirating > > > > > > > ones. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If You > treat > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > Vedanga > > > > > > > > as profession similar to engineering You have a long > way > > to > > > > go. > > > > > But > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > be pessimistic here are many who will try to help You > in > > > > getting > > > > > > > proper > > > > > > > > understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After some time You will agree with me about the mala > and > > > > japa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of > developing > > ur > > > > > > > understanding, > > > > > > > > > u r trying to conclude something and going beyond > that > > u r > > > > > > > messaging > > > > > > > > > same to many. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m touching 35, What's ur age ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like i m > a > > > > > software > > > > > > > > > engineer, software engineering is my profession. > > > > spirituality > > > > > is > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > > all sort of vidya or profession. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the bliss > of > > > self > > > > > > > awakening or > > > > > > > > > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel u > and > > > god > > > > is > > > > > > > > > connected. dissolved in each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First realize, experience, then speak and then > suggest > > to > > > > > others, > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > mere reading shastras or books u r not going to feel > > it. > > > > > unless > > > > > > > god > > > > > > > > > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont > avoid > > > this > > > > > sort > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > hurriedness instead of learning and understanding, it > > > will > > > > > affect > > > > > > > u only > > > > > > > > > no one else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somehere i have read, it was written - By mere > > > > repeating " So- > > > > > > > Aham " no > > > > > > > > > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one > > doesnt > > > get > > > > > > > cured by > > > > > > > > > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take the > > > > medicine > > > > > to > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > cured " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here, i > > > shared > > > > the > > > > > > > > > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a > > preecher, > > > > nor a > > > > > > > guru, nor > > > > > > > > > i have to make my followers, nor it's my profession, > > nor > > > i > > > > > have > > > > > > > to get > > > > > > > > > fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a kind > of > > > > > > > affection, > > > > > > > > > that's it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, Rafal > > > Gendarz > > > > > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than just > > > counting, > > > > > so for > > > > > > > > > natives > > > > > > > > > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any other > > > > speculation > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > only illusory and just imagination. We should > follow > > Pt. > > > > > > > > > Dakshinamoorti > > > > > > > > > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of spiritual > > > > > development > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > slow and unauthoritative. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji, > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read > > > > > GuruDakshinamurthyi > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings in > > more > > > > > clarity > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > > applicability principles to my mail. > > > > > > > > > > > I meant that both are necessity but to what > degree > > of > > > > time > > > > > (it > > > > > > > varies > > > > > > > > > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt > > > maturity > > > > > such > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine forces > > > after > > > > > some > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > period of saadhana. > > > > > > > > > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in the > japa > > > maala > > > > > > > (which is > > > > > > > > > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from practical > > > point > > > > of > > > > > > > view for > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > count) will help in keeping away destructive > forces > > > > > acting on > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > .Thus > > > > > > > > > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in > > > keeping > > > > > away > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > negative thoughts and also trains our memory to > be > > > > object > > > > > > > > > oriented.If > > > > > > > > > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity increase > > the > > > > > Gnaana > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > increase ,but at the same time destructive forces > > > > > > > (diversions) also > > > > > > > > > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures > will > > > come > > > > in > > > > > > > handy to > > > > > > > > > > > successfully fight the negative forces.The > rituals > > > may > > > > be > > > > > > > Rising > > > > > > > > > > > early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking > > > > > > > bath,Japaanusthaan, > > > > > > > > > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in > defined > > > > times > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > discipline > > > > > > > > > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through keeping > > our > > > > body > > > > > > > healthy. > > > > > > > > > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called > > > symbolic > > > > > > > procedures > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) but > a > > > > > necessity > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > own good if we practice to the extent we can. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra. lalit% > > > > 40gmail. > > > > > com>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count > or > > > dont > > > > > > > count,target > > > > > > > > > > > is realization of god's love within, I got it > with > > no > > > > > > > counting, > > > > > > > > > > > someone may get it with counting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx, for the writing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, > > > srinivasa > > > > > > > murthy adavi > > > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/ > or > > > with > > > > > the > > > > > > > goal as > > > > > > > > > > > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana > > > Devatha > > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > Mantra > > > > > > > > > > > as Base. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as > > one > > > > > > > develops the > > > > > > > > > > > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body > > will > > > > > > > automatically > > > > > > > > > > > take care of the practice(without count-help of > > malas > > > > > etc). > > > > > > > > > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we > > > wake > > > > up > > > > > for > > > > > > > 2 or 3 > > > > > > > > > > > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we > > > > wakeup > > > > > at > > > > > > > the same > > > > > > > > > > > time every day without help of alarm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With due Respects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smadavi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on > > Mala. > > > > Your > > > > > > > view is > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be > > rejected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with > u, > > U > > > > pls. > > > > > stop > > > > > > > > > > > counting > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false > > ego > > > > and > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra > > > chanted > > > > by > > > > > you > > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's > > his > > > > part > > > > > and > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > part > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to > > > awaken, > > > > it > > > > > > > will be, > > > > > > > > > > > god > > > > > > > > > > > > > will ensure it for u. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent > > with > > > out > > > > > > > limited > > > > > > > > > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the > time > > u > > > > put > > > > > in > > > > > > > for ur's > > > > > > > > > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. > purity > > > > > counts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very > > > > > interesting > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we > > had a > > > > > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > > > > > > esoteric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and > > > today > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the > > cosmos! > > > > > > > Wonderful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical > > symphony " > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my > earlier > > > > post, > > > > > > > there are > > > > > > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other numerals that are significant in > occult > > > > > > > practices. 108 > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect > > number...While > > > > we > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > understood > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight > of > > > the > > > > > fact > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just > for > > > the > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful > > > > response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com > <astrology% > > > > > > > > > > > 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - > > the > > > > > moon is > > > > > > > away > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and > > the > > > > sun > > > > > is > > > > > > > away > > > > > > > > > > > from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is > > > applicable > > > > to > > > > > > > deities > > > > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the > 108 > > > divya > > > > > > > desas of > > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > > > > > com>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is > a > > > very > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every > > > Nakshtras > > > > > has 4 > > > > > > > Charan > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > total > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each > > > > Charan > > > > > has 3 > > > > > > > > > degree > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree > and > > 20 > > > > > > > minutes to > > > > > > > > > 108 > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle > > > > (Circle). > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represetns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the > rashis, > > > > > planets and > > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 > > dimensional > > > > > > > horoscope. So > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chanting a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this > > > brahmand. > > > > > > > Further One > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time > > i.e. > > > he > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > brahmagyani he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before > his > > > name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > com>, > > > babu > > > > > mon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason > > that > > > > some > > > > > > > remedies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recomended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a > > > reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- - -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get > better > > > > travel > > > > > > > answers > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > have > > > > been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 29, 2007 Huh, do chant 'idiot' - 'idiot' and learn why u will not get a salvation, u will. u forgot, valmiki got salvation by chanting, 'mara - mara' means, 'dead - dead', do something and then speak. And, i m always open to learn who knows something, but a manipulator .... and a lobby of manipulators, is itself blown out!! well, u got to know what u deserve !! with every line of posting u r exposing urlsef, ur narrowminded. and i m n'joying !! vedic astrology , " abhishekpotti " <abhishekpotti wrote: > > Dear Lalith: > > Again the peak of ignorance from you! > > Everything in the world - every language is composed of > aksharaas.....Moola mantras are different from naama mantraas....It > is not a question of which is best....We only wish to point that > there are difference in the ways and attitudes with which they are > approached.... > > If you - a mere profiting software engineer with your part-time > interest in sadhanas know this much, how much more will the learned > Gurujis who have devoted their life and have richer occult experience > of a practical variety know about these things? Did you not read > about my post on the Deva Prashna experiences ? Read that.....You > might have heard of such things, but in the Headquarters of > Tantricism - Kerala, we know these things better.....Stop spreading > your shallow thoughts here as if they are the very depth of mysticism! > > Mohanraaamji called you an " idiot " ....Even this is composed of the > aksharaas " Im " " Diom " and " T " . So, is this a mantra? So, you will > attain salvation by chanting just " idiot " , " idiot " ......? Is that > your idea? > > You say you often chant various mantras....why don't you try chanting > Medha sooktham to give you a subtle understanding of things? > > Just because a sculptor uses the hammer and chisel, if the woodcutter > also does the same to the stone, will it turn into an idol? You are > the woodcutter; don't use your sloppy techniques on exalted > philosophies just because you see other more talented and > knowledgeable members are posting matters on that. > > In fact, even I do not post much things here because when there are > more qualified persons here, why should I disturb this group with my > imperfections (I can assure you that I am myself well knowledgeable > in these fields; yet I think twice before posting in this august > group and answer queries only if they are raised to me. And you a > part-time jack of all trades feel competent to raise issues time and > again). > > Abhishek > > vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@> > wrote: > > > > > > And to tell u one more thing - > > > > mantra and god's name is one and same thing. > > > > both consists of akschharas. every akschhara of a varnmaala is > > itself a mantra. first understand that. > > > > and sometimes one akschhara of a God's name is also used as beeja - > > > > > " Rang (pronounce like kleem) Ramaaya Namah " > > > > what is there ? " Ra " is used like beej, right !! > > > > " Sham shanaishrayee namah " what is there, " Sha " is used as beeja > > right. > > > > Every Beeja/Name finally takes u to same destination, ur union > with > > God. > > > > whatever u think about u, mantrika or bhakta , in essence it is > one > > and same thing. > > > > > > if u think differently, u think, i dont bother. > > > > > > ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I was waiting for u dear.. > > > > > > why u took time ? > > > > > > Do u mean Meera Bai discussed with u, what she did.. > > > > > > Do u know 'Kleem Krishnay, Govindaya Gopijan Vallabhaya Namh' is > a > > > mantra for lord krishna. > > > > > > is there no beej mantras, to whom u wish to misguide ? let > thnigs > > > remain between lord, bhakta , their shraddha and their guru. > > > > > > why u people are so afraid of me, i m not in business of guru. > > > > > > i m happy with my life, my profession of software engineering > and > > > my hobbies ok. > > > > > > there are 7000+ members are here, by writing such type of > foolish > > > things u expose urself only, mind, there are better brains here. > > > > > > this is enough ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , > > > " abhishekpotti " <abhishekpotti@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Mohanraaamji: > > > > > > > > Well said. Lalith is saying that " maybe in south india > devotees > > > > don't chant Moola mantras but not so in North " ...What > > > > stupidity.....He does not seem to understand that " mantra > > shaastra > > > > experts " are also devotees, but they cannot be called as > innocent > > > > saatwik bhaktaas! A typical example of a pure saadhwik bhakta > > will > > > > be Meera Bhai (was she not North Indian). Can Lalith say which > > > Dasa > > > > Mahaa Vidya Meera Bhai practised? She was immersed in Krishna > > > > consciousness and Lover for Him. Her own Bhajans were her > > prayers > > > in > > > > the bhaavana of Bhakti in the form of Love! This is not mantra > > > > shaastra. Another example will be Saant Tukhaaraam. These > > > bhaktaas > > > > did not chant moola mantraas. Panditji Dakshinamoorthi was on > > dot > > > in > > > > saying that " Pure bhaktaas do not chant complicated moola > > > mantraas " . > > > > You have clarified this fact wonderfully in your post. I wish > > more > > > > knowledgeable persons also put erratic posters in their place > > just > > > as > > > > Mohanraaamji does here. This will benefit more naive readers > of > > > > these forums who might otherwise get confused as to which of > the > > > > paths to follow. Actually, anyone can follow any path as he/ > she > > > > deems it fit; but there should be consistency of procedures. > > > > > > > > We should not confuse mantrik rituals and bhakti doctrines. > > > Bhaktaas > > > > can chant the names of Gods at anytime.....Mantra shaastra > > experts > > > > chanting advanced moola mantras should necessarily adopt ritual > > > > procedures for the welfare of themselves and others! > > > Yes...improper > > > > chanting of mantras can cause danger to the society also just > as > > > > proper chanting can help others. Hence, this cannot be > > considered > > > as > > > > a personal preference of the aspirant. If this was not the > case, > > > why > > > > did sages codify spiritual practises scrupulously? Rafalji, > > > > Mohanraaamji, etc. are correct in saying it is best to follow > > > Pandit > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji's advices on mantra shastra or japams. He is > > > > learned and he is living a life compatible to the shaastras > > though > > > he > > > > has faced uncertain circumstances in his own personal life. He > > > never > > > > compromised on principles and he willingly paid the price for > > that > > > > which most of us will never do. The words of such a person > > should > > > > obviously carry more weight. > > > > > > > > Abhishek. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , > > " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > If you have really done dasa Maha Vidyaa, you would have > never > > > > > approached a professional astrologer for consultation...that > > much > > > I > > > > > can say.... > > > > > > > > > > And what idiocy when you say Panditji is partly wrong? He > > > > > said " Bhaktaas do not chant Moola mantras " , whereas you have > > > edited > > > > > the words to suit your ends....He never said " devotees don't > > > chant > > > > > Beej mantras " .....You are putting words into his mouth and > > > assuming > > > > > he is wrong! Why, do you know....the Great Panditji himself > > > chants > > > > > Moola mantras.....He is a bhakta and a mantra shastra expert. > > As > > > a > > > > > bhakta he keeps incessant chanting of naama japa throughout > the > > > > day; > > > > > as a mantra shastra expert, he restricts the moola mantra > > japams > > > to > > > > > stipulated times with ritual purity.....It is this wonderful > > > > practice > > > > > that Guruji was alluding to. Guruji cannot be wrong in > ritual > > > and > > > > > occult matters. Please understand that. > > > > > > > > > > There are 4 classes of Devotees.......1) Saatwik vedic > devotees > > > who > > > > > will follow vedic dharma scrupulously. They will not dare to > > > > compare > > > > > astrology and vedanga to Engineering! as you did... > > > > > 2) Raajasik devotees who will follow vedic disciplines as far > > as > > > > > possible, but will still go after upaasanaas of Demi-Gods for > > > > > accomplishment of siddhis. Mantra shaastra experts usually > > fall > > > in > > > > > this category. > > > > > 3) Saatwik Bhaktaas - for whom the meditation and glory of > > their > > > > > Ishta Devataa is enough for spiritual satisfaction. It is > this > > > > > category that Guruji referred to when he said they will not > > chant > > > > > Moola mantras too much. Definitely they will not do Dasa > Mahaa > > > > > Vidyaa. > > > > > 4) Taamasic Devotees - Those whose main motive is to project > > > > > themselves at all costs and acting as if they are equal to > the > > > > > experts; they will try ALL practices - whether they are > > > sanctioned > > > > by > > > > > vedas or not.....Their only aim is personal glory and > > > > satisfaction. > > > > > They will attack even established dharma if they do not get > > > results > > > > > (sounds familiar....You are one!) Ignorance and half-baked > > > > knowledge > > > > > and egotism are these persons' motivating fuel. > > > > > > > > > > You are really satan's Gift to this list.......My only prayer > > is > > > > that > > > > > innocent members of this list do not get side-tracked with > your > > > > > ramblings. > > > > > > > > > > Let me make this clear to the list.....Panditji said that > > saatwik > > > > > Bhaktaas who chant Divine names only due to Pure Love on God > > > > usually > > > > > never chant mantrik moola mantraas. It is just one class of > > > > > devotees. A rajasik bhakta who is a mantra-shaastra expert > may > > > > even > > > > > be a bhakta at heart; and a pure bhakta may sometimes chant > > some > > > > > mantrik japams for solving some practical issues......But, > when > > > > they > > > > > switch their routines temporarily, these enlightened devotees > > > > usually > > > > > take good guidance and follow the tenets of shaastras > > > > > scrupulously....Definitely they will not sit on assumption > like > > > > > Lalith. > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand, this fellow claims he has done chants in > > > forests, > > > > > rivers, earth, etc. (Probably we have a Maharishi here! What > > > > heights > > > > > of pointless pride in this young man list....it is > > disgusting!). > > > > On > > > > > the other hand, he says he chants mantras in buses, trains, > > > > etc...... > > > > > He is confused about which no body can have issues. Only his > > > Guru > > > > > should be concerned about that.....But, his attempts to stuff > > his > > > > > shallow understanding upon this list is reprehensible. And, > > his > > > > > habit of quoting experts out of context is really > condemnable. > > > May > > > > > Jupiter's Light Shine on that fellow and teach him to respect > > the > > > > > hallowed traditions and to stay at his level rather than > trying > > > > > to " teach " others (He has the audacity to claim he is > > " teaching " > > > > > Rafalji!) > > > > > > > > > > If a mere young man of 35 years who has spent his life on a > > > " Failed > > > > > computer web desining business " , " pointless email chasing of > > > > girls " , > > > > > and other " past times " can gain insight as he claims, how > much > > > will > > > > > learned Gurus of this group with their life of devotion to > > > vedanta > > > > > and vedanga know? His peanut brain and hyper-inflated ego > will > > > > never > > > > > allow him to see this obvious truth. But, please list > exercise > > > > your > > > > > discretion while reading his posts (There are doubtless some > > good > > > > > elements even in his posts; but mostly there is trash > presented > > > as > > > > > philosophy). > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , > > " litsol " <mishra.lalit@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > > > > > Do u think, a hobby means shallow knowledge of the domain, > No > > > > > rafal, > > > > > > it's not like that. > > > > > > > > > > > > At least not for me. You have learnt and i m learning, i > read > > > > ur's > > > > > > replies and get benifitted, same way i wanted you to pay > > heed > > > to > > > > > > what i have written about spritiuality, mostrly i did write > > for > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > > I have done all 10 mahavidyas of tantra and read many > tantrik > > > > > > classics, spent good deal of time with great tantriks > > trained > > > in > > > > > > Kamakhya and other places, keenly observed their doings, > > their > > > > > > mistakes etc.., I did tremendous mantra chanting on water, > > on > > > > > earth, > > > > > > at home, in forests etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > then reached here, then i did write something, but sorry i > > dont > > > > > > remember shlokas. i was not interested in cramming that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Panditji is not fully correct in saying that BeejMantras > are > > > not > > > > > > chanted by devotees, I dont know much about South India but > > in > > > > > North > > > > > > normally its done. > > > > > > > > > > > > And a successfull mantra sadhana has to result in one's > being > > a > > > > > > devotee, the devotion is the outcome, final result of > mantra > > > > > sadhana, > > > > > > perhaps, Pandit Ji believes mantras are power > packet,thinks, > > i > > > do > > > > > it > > > > > > this way , these many times and get this result, this is > > where > > > > most > > > > > > of the people are confused. without being a good human > being > > if > > > > we > > > > > > think, we will achieve something in spirituality, is > > difficult, > > > > > very > > > > > > difficult. > > > > > > > > > > > > what happens is, with the mantra chanting, a self > > > > transformation > > > > > > process begins, u if dont restrict urself, ur karma begins > > > > > diluting, > > > > > > and u begin ur purification process unknowingly, when > > > substantial > > > > > > part of ego and greed for respect vanishes and many such > > thing > > > > > > togather, mantra awakens u and with the God's grace ur > > > objective > > > > > gets > > > > > > fullfilled, gradually u become a devotee. ur being simple > and > > > > being > > > > > > devotee is sometimes is indication of ur's going on the > right > > > > track. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we have discussed a lot, it's enough !! > > > > > > > > > > > > My Boss has given me lot of projects to complete, so, may > be, > > i > > > m > > > > > not > > > > > > going to available in the group like i was recently. > however. > > i > > > > > will > > > > > > complete Garg Hora series. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then please dont generalize Your preferences as they are > > too > > > > > > shallow for > > > > > > > this Forum aspiration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafel, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I take Astrology as a good hobby, and i w'd be looking > at > > > it > > > > > with > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > engineer's approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I asked ur age because, it's our thinking to put our > > > > parameters > > > > > in > > > > > > > > god's system, there is nothing like delay or > advancement > > in > > > > > > > > spirituality. So, " Delay " or " Speed " , " backwardness " > > > > > > > > and " advancement " doesn't exist in spirituality, I > > thought > > > if > > > > u > > > > > r > > > > > > > > thinking that it may take too much time, I wanted to > tell > > > u, > > > > > it's > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > like that. there is no delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It clicks in fraction of a second, when u r getting > > clicked > > > > > > depends > > > > > > > > on u and on god's will, when he wants u to get clicked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God sometimes graces for no reason ( " Ahetuka " ) just for > > his > > > > > > > > compassion towards u and it may happen next minute too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality is not delimited by time , effort and > rules. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal > Gendarz > > > > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please be careful about words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Im happy that You are sharing Your experience - very > > > > > inspirating > > > > > > > > ones. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If You > > treat > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > > Vedanga > > > > > > > > > as profession similar to engineering You have a long > > way > > > to > > > > > go. > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > be pessimistic here are many who will try to help You > > in > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > proper > > > > > > > > > understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After some time You will agree with me about the mala > > and > > > > > japa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of > > developing > > > ur > > > > > > > > understanding, > > > > > > > > > > u r trying to conclude something and going beyond > > that > > > u r > > > > > > > > messaging > > > > > > > > > > same to many. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m touching 35, What's ur age ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like i > m > > a > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > > > engineer, software engineering is my profession. > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > > > all sort of vidya or profession. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the bliss > > of > > > > self > > > > > > > > awakening or > > > > > > > > > > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel u > > and > > > > god > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > connected. dissolved in each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First realize, experience, then speak and then > > suggest > > > to > > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > mere reading shastras or books u r not going to > feel > > > it. > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > > god > > > > > > > > > > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont > > avoid > > > > this > > > > > > sort > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > hurriedness instead of learning and understanding, > it > > > > will > > > > > > affect > > > > > > > > u only > > > > > > > > > > no one else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somehere i have read, it was written - By mere > > > > > repeating " So- > > > > > > > > Aham " no > > > > > > > > > > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one > > > doesnt > > > > get > > > > > > > > cured by > > > > > > > > > > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take > the > > > > > medicine > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > cured " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here, i > > > > shared > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a > > > preecher, > > > > > nor a > > > > > > > > guru, nor > > > > > > > > > > i have to make my followers, nor it's my > profession, > > > nor > > > > i > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > to get > > > > > > > > > > fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a > kind > > of > > > > > > > > affection, > > > > > > > > > > that's it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, > Rafal > > > > Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than just > > > > counting, > > > > > > so for > > > > > > > > > > natives > > > > > > > > > > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any other > > > > > speculation > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > only illusory and just imagination. We should > > follow > > > Pt. > > > > > > > > > > Dakshinamoorti > > > > > > > > > > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of > spiritual > > > > > > development > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > slow and unauthoritative. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read > > > > > > GuruDakshinamurthyi > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings > in > > > more > > > > > > clarity > > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > > > applicability principles to my mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > I meant that both are necessity but to what > > degree > > > of > > > > > time > > > > > > (it > > > > > > > > varies > > > > > > > > > > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such inbuilt > > > > maturity > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine > forces > > > > after > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > > period of saadhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in the > > japa > > > > maala > > > > > > > > (which is > > > > > > > > > > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from > practical > > > > point > > > > > of > > > > > > > > view for > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > count) will help in keeping away destructive > > forces > > > > > > acting on > > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > > .Thus > > > > > > > > > > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us in > > > > keeping > > > > > > away > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > negative thoughts and also trains our memory to > > be > > > > > object > > > > > > > > > > oriented.If > > > > > > > > > > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity > increase > > > the > > > > > > Gnaana > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > increase ,but at the same time destructive > forces > > > > > > > > (diversions) also > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures > > will > > > > come > > > > > in > > > > > > > > handy to > > > > > > > > > > > > successfully fight the negative forces.The > > rituals > > > > may > > > > > be > > > > > > > > Rising > > > > > > > > > > > > early(if possible during Braahmi muhurta),Taking > > > > > > > > bath,Japaanusthaan, > > > > > > > > > > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in > > defined > > > > > times > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > discipline > > > > > > > > > > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through > keeping > > > our > > > > > body > > > > > > > > healthy. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so called > > > > symbolic > > > > > > > > procedures > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) > but > > a > > > > > > necessity > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > own good if we practice to the extent we can. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra. lalit% > > > > > 40gmail. > > > > > > com>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we count > > or > > > > dont > > > > > > > > count,target > > > > > > > > > > > > is realization of god's love within, I got it > > with > > > no > > > > > > > > counting, > > > > > > > > > > > > someone may get it with counting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx, for the writing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, > > > > srinivasa > > > > > > > > murthy adavi > > > > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/ > > or > > > > with > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > goal as > > > > > > > > > > > > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana > > > > Devatha > > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Mantra > > > > > > > > > > > > as Base. > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the initial stage only you need the > count;as > > > one > > > > > > > > develops the > > > > > > > > > > > > habit the biological tuning of the > intellect/body > > > will > > > > > > > > automatically > > > > > > > > > > > > take care of the practice(without count-help of > > > malas > > > > > > etc). > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if > we > > > > wake > > > > > up > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > 2 or 3 > > > > > > > > > > > > days at some appointed hour,then automatically > we > > > > > wakeup > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > the same > > > > > > > > > > > > time every day without help of alarm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With due Respects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smadavi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on > > > Mala. > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > view is > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be > > > rejected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with > > u, > > > U > > > > > pls. > > > > > > stop > > > > > > > > > > > > counting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives > false > > > ego > > > > > and > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra > > > > chanted > > > > > by > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, > it's > > > his > > > > > part > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > part > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to > > > > awaken, > > > > > it > > > > > > > > will be, > > > > > > > > > > > > god > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will ensure it for u. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent > > > with > > > > out > > > > > > > > limited > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the > > time > > > u > > > > > put > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > for ur's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. > > purity > > > > > > counts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > > > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very > > > > > > interesting > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday > we > > > had a > > > > > > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > esoteric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, > and > > > > today > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the > > > cosmos! > > > > > > > > Wonderful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical > > > symphony " > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my > > earlier > > > > > post, > > > > > > > > there are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other numerals that are significant in > > occult > > > > > > > > practices. 108 > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect > > > number...While > > > > > we > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > understood > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose > sight > > of > > > > the > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just > > for > > > > the > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful > > > > > response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com > > <astrology% > > > > > > > > > > > > 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this > significance - > > > the > > > > > > moon is > > > > > > > > away > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter > and > > > the > > > > > sun > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > away > > > > > > > > > > > > from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is > > > > applicable > > > > > to > > > > > > > > deities > > > > > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the > > 108 > > > > divya > > > > > > > > desas of > > > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > > > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have > given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > > > > > > com>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it > is > > a > > > > very > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every > > > > Nakshtras > > > > > > has 4 > > > > > > > > Charan > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > total > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. > Each > > > > > Charan > > > > > > has 3 > > > > > > > > > > degree > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree > > and > > > 20 > > > > > > > > minutes to > > > > > > > > > > 108 > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one > cycle > > > > > (Circle). > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represetns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the > > rashis, > > > > > > planets and > > > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 > > > dimensional > > > > > > > > horoscope. So > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chanting a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this > > > > brahmand. > > > > > > > > Further One > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time > > > i.e. > > > > he > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > brahmagyani he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before > > his > > > > name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ > . > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > com>, > > > > babu > > > > > > mon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all > of > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason > > > that > > > > > some > > > > > > > > remedies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recomended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide > a > > > > reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- - > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. 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Guest guest Report post Posted July 29, 2007 Oye Lalith: that Mara Mara was initiated by Sage Naarada....the background was different.....Sage Vaalmiiki had a curse that he will forget the mantra that he is initiated into and he will be impelled to chant it in reverse....So, sage Naarada intelligently gave the reverse of the mantra so that with time Sage Vaalmiiki chanted the raama name perfectly after which he got salvation. Incidentally, Ant hills grew around him because he did not move for long periods. Only after such intense tapasya did Vaalmiii get wisdom. Not merely by chanting in buses and trains....... By the way, if you think chanting " idiot " will give you salvation, keep doing it! May be you will get perfection in " idiocy " ....you are nearing your perfection....that siddhi of idiocy is at arms' reach for you. March on Hero to the Glorious siddhi of idiocy! Abhishek. vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > Huh, > > do chant 'idiot' - 'idiot' and learn why u will not get a > salvation, u will. > > u forgot, valmiki got salvation by chanting, 'mara - mara' > means, 'dead - dead', do something and then speak. > > And, i m always open to learn who knows something, but a > manipulator .... and a lobby of manipulators, is itself blown out!! > > well, u got to know what u deserve !! > > with every line of posting u r exposing urlsef, ur narrowminded. > > and i m n'joying !! > > > > > > vedic astrology , " abhishekpotti " > <abhishekpotti@> wrote: > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > Again the peak of ignorance from you! > > > > Everything in the world - every language is composed of > > aksharaas.....Moola mantras are different from naama mantraas....It > > is not a question of which is best....We only wish to point that > > there are difference in the ways and attitudes with which they are > > approached.... > > > > If you - a mere profiting software engineer with your part-time > > interest in sadhanas know this much, how much more will the learned > > Gurujis who have devoted their life and have richer occult > experience > > of a practical variety know about these things? Did you not read > > about my post on the Deva Prashna experiences ? Read that.....You > > might have heard of such things, but in the Headquarters of > > Tantricism - Kerala, we know these things better.....Stop spreading > > your shallow thoughts here as if they are the very depth of > mysticism! > > > > Mohanraaamji called you an " idiot " ....Even this is composed of the > > aksharaas " Im " " Diom " and " T " . So, is this a mantra? So, you will > > attain salvation by chanting just " idiot " , " idiot " ......? Is that > > your idea? > > > > You say you often chant various mantras....why don't you try > chanting > > Medha sooktham to give you a subtle understanding of things? > > > > Just because a sculptor uses the hammer and chisel, if the > woodcutter > > also does the same to the stone, will it turn into an idol? You > are > > the woodcutter; don't use your sloppy techniques on exalted > > philosophies just because you see other more talented and > > knowledgeable members are posting matters on that. > > > > In fact, even I do not post much things here because when there are > > more qualified persons here, why should I disturb this group with > my > > imperfections (I can assure you that I am myself well knowledgeable > > in these fields; yet I think twice before posting in this august > > group and answer queries only if they are raised to me. And you a > > part-time jack of all trades feel competent to raise issues time > and > > again). > > > > Abhishek > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > And to tell u one more thing - > > > > > > mantra and god's name is one and same thing. > > > > > > both consists of akschharas. every akschhara of a varnmaala is > > > itself a mantra. first understand that. > > > > > > and sometimes one akschhara of a God's name is also used as > beeja - > > > > > > > > " Rang (pronounce like kleem) Ramaaya Namah " > > > > > > what is there ? " Ra " is used like beej, right !! > > > > > > " Sham shanaishrayee namah " what is there, " Sha " is used as > beeja > > > right. > > > > > > Every Beeja/Name finally takes u to same destination, ur union > > with > > > God. > > > > > > whatever u think about u, mantrika or bhakta , in essence it is > > one > > > and same thing. > > > > > > > > > if u think differently, u think, i dont bother. > > > > > > > > > ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I was waiting for u dear.. > > > > > > > > why u took time ? > > > > > > > > Do u mean Meera Bai discussed with u, what she did.. > > > > > > > > Do u know 'Kleem Krishnay, Govindaya Gopijan Vallabhaya Namh' > is > > a > > > > mantra for lord krishna. > > > > > > > > is there no beej mantras, to whom u wish to misguide ? let > > thnigs > > > > remain between lord, bhakta , their shraddha and their guru. > > > > > > > > why u people are so afraid of me, i m not in business of guru. > > > > > > > > i m happy with my life, my profession of software engineering > > and > > > > my hobbies ok. > > > > > > > > there are 7000+ members are here, by writing such type of > > foolish > > > > things u expose urself only, mind, there are better brains here. > > > > > > > > this is enough ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , > > > > " abhishekpotti " <abhishekpotti@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Mohanraaamji: > > > > > > > > > > Well said. Lalith is saying that " maybe in south india > > devotees > > > > > don't chant Moola mantras but not so in North " ...What > > > > > stupidity.....He does not seem to understand that " mantra > > > shaastra > > > > > experts " are also devotees, but they cannot be called as > > innocent > > > > > saatwik bhaktaas! A typical example of a pure saadhwik > bhakta > > > will > > > > > be Meera Bhai (was she not North Indian). Can Lalith say > which > > > > Dasa > > > > > Mahaa Vidya Meera Bhai practised? She was immersed in > Krishna > > > > > consciousness and Lover for Him. Her own Bhajans were her > > > prayers > > > > in > > > > > the bhaavana of Bhakti in the form of Love! This is not > mantra > > > > > shaastra. Another example will be Saant Tukhaaraam. These > > > > bhaktaas > > > > > did not chant moola mantraas. Panditji Dakshinamoorthi was > on > > > dot > > > > in > > > > > saying that " Pure bhaktaas do not chant complicated moola > > > > mantraas " . > > > > > You have clarified this fact wonderfully in your post. I wish > > > more > > > > > knowledgeable persons also put erratic posters in their place > > > just > > > > as > > > > > Mohanraaamji does here. This will benefit more naive readers > > of > > > > > these forums who might otherwise get confused as to which of > > the > > > > > paths to follow. Actually, anyone can follow any path as he/ > > she > > > > > deems it fit; but there should be consistency of procedures. > > > > > > > > > > We should not confuse mantrik rituals and bhakti doctrines. > > > > Bhaktaas > > > > > can chant the names of Gods at anytime.....Mantra shaastra > > > experts > > > > > chanting advanced moola mantras should necessarily adopt > ritual > > > > > procedures for the welfare of themselves and others! > > > > Yes...improper > > > > > chanting of mantras can cause danger to the society also just > > as > > > > > proper chanting can help others. Hence, this cannot be > > > considered > > > > as > > > > > a personal preference of the aspirant. If this was not the > > case, > > > > why > > > > > did sages codify spiritual practises scrupulously? Rafalji, > > > > > Mohanraaamji, etc. are correct in saying it is best to follow > > > > Pandit > > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji's advices on mantra shastra or japams. He > is > > > > > learned and he is living a life compatible to the shaastras > > > though > > > > he > > > > > has faced uncertain circumstances in his own personal life. > He > > > > never > > > > > compromised on principles and he willingly paid the price for > > > that > > > > > which most of us will never do. The words of such a person > > > should > > > > > obviously carry more weight. > > > > > > > > > > Abhishek. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , > > > " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have really done dasa Maha Vidyaa, you would have > > never > > > > > > approached a professional astrologer for > consultation...that > > > much > > > > I > > > > > > can say.... > > > > > > > > > > > > And what idiocy when you say Panditji is partly wrong? He > > > > > > said " Bhaktaas do not chant Moola mantras " , whereas you > have > > > > edited > > > > > > the words to suit your ends....He never said " devotees > don't > > > > chant > > > > > > Beej mantras " .....You are putting words into his mouth and > > > > assuming > > > > > > he is wrong! Why, do you know....the Great Panditji himself > > > > chants > > > > > > Moola mantras.....He is a bhakta and a mantra shastra > expert. > > > As > > > > a > > > > > > bhakta he keeps incessant chanting of naama japa throughout > > the > > > > > day; > > > > > > as a mantra shastra expert, he restricts the moola mantra > > > japams > > > > to > > > > > > stipulated times with ritual purity.....It is this > wonderful > > > > > practice > > > > > > that Guruji was alluding to. Guruji cannot be wrong in > > ritual > > > > and > > > > > > occult matters. Please understand that. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are 4 classes of Devotees.......1) Saatwik vedic > > devotees > > > > who > > > > > > will follow vedic dharma scrupulously. They will not dare > to > > > > > compare > > > > > > astrology and vedanga to Engineering! as you did... > > > > > > 2) Raajasik devotees who will follow vedic disciplines as > far > > > as > > > > > > possible, but will still go after upaasanaas of Demi-Gods > for > > > > > > accomplishment of siddhis. Mantra shaastra experts usually > > > fall > > > > in > > > > > > this category. > > > > > > 3) Saatwik Bhaktaas - for whom the meditation and glory of > > > their > > > > > > Ishta Devataa is enough for spiritual satisfaction. It is > > this > > > > > > category that Guruji referred to when he said they will not > > > chant > > > > > > Moola mantras too much. Definitely they will not do Dasa > > Mahaa > > > > > > Vidyaa. > > > > > > 4) Taamasic Devotees - Those whose main motive is to > project > > > > > > themselves at all costs and acting as if they are equal to > > the > > > > > > experts; they will try ALL practices - whether they are > > > > sanctioned > > > > > by > > > > > > vedas or not.....Their only aim is personal glory and > > > > > satisfaction. > > > > > > They will attack even established dharma if they do not get > > > > results > > > > > > (sounds familiar....You are one!) Ignorance and half- baked > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > and egotism are these persons' motivating fuel. > > > > > > > > > > > > You are really satan's Gift to this list.......My only > prayer > > > is > > > > > that > > > > > > innocent members of this list do not get side-tracked with > > your > > > > > > ramblings. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me make this clear to the list.....Panditji said that > > > saatwik > > > > > > Bhaktaas who chant Divine names only due to Pure Love on > God > > > > > usually > > > > > > never chant mantrik moola mantraas. It is just one class > of > > > > > > devotees. A rajasik bhakta who is a mantra-shaastra expert > > may > > > > > even > > > > > > be a bhakta at heart; and a pure bhakta may sometimes chant > > > some > > > > > > mantrik japams for solving some practical issues......But, > > when > > > > > they > > > > > > switch their routines temporarily, these enlightened > devotees > > > > > usually > > > > > > take good guidance and follow the tenets of shaastras > > > > > > scrupulously....Definitely they will not sit on assumption > > like > > > > > > Lalith. > > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand, this fellow claims he has done chants in > > > > forests, > > > > > > rivers, earth, etc. (Probably we have a Maharishi here! > What > > > > > heights > > > > > > of pointless pride in this young man list....it is > > > disgusting!). > > > > > On > > > > > > the other hand, he says he chants mantras in buses, trains, > > > > > etc...... > > > > > > He is confused about which no body can have issues. Only > his > > > > Guru > > > > > > should be concerned about that.....But, his attempts to > stuff > > > his > > > > > > shallow understanding upon this list is reprehensible. > And, > > > his > > > > > > habit of quoting experts out of context is really > > condemnable. > > > > May > > > > > > Jupiter's Light Shine on that fellow and teach him to > respect > > > the > > > > > > hallowed traditions and to stay at his level rather than > > trying > > > > > > to " teach " others (He has the audacity to claim he is > > > " teaching " > > > > > > Rafalji!) > > > > > > > > > > > > If a mere young man of 35 years who has spent his life on a > > > > " Failed > > > > > > computer web desining business " , " pointless email chasing > of > > > > > girls " , > > > > > > and other " past times " can gain insight as he claims, how > > much > > > > will > > > > > > learned Gurus of this group with their life of devotion to > > > > vedanta > > > > > > and vedanga know? His peanut brain and hyper-inflated ego > > will > > > > > never > > > > > > allow him to see this obvious truth. But, please list > > exercise > > > > > your > > > > > > discretion while reading his posts (There are doubtless > some > > > good > > > > > > elements even in his posts; but mostly there is trash > > presented > > > > as > > > > > > philosophy). > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , > > > " litsol " <mishra.lalit@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do u think, a hobby means shallow knowledge of the > domain, > > No > > > > > > rafal, > > > > > > > it's not like that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At least not for me. You have learnt and i m learning, i > > read > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > replies and get benifitted, same way i wanted you to pay > > > heed > > > > to > > > > > > > what i have written about spritiuality, mostrly i did > write > > > for > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have done all 10 mahavidyas of tantra and read many > > tantrik > > > > > > > classics, spent good deal of time with great tantriks > > > trained > > > > in > > > > > > > Kamakhya and other places, keenly observed their doings, > > > their > > > > > > > mistakes etc.., I did tremendous mantra chanting on > water, > > > on > > > > > > earth, > > > > > > > at home, in forests etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then reached here, then i did write something, but sorry > i > > > dont > > > > > > > remember shlokas. i was not interested in cramming that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panditji is not fully correct in saying that BeejMantras > > are > > > > not > > > > > > > chanted by devotees, I dont know much about South India > but > > > in > > > > > > North > > > > > > > normally its done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And a successfull mantra sadhana has to result in one's > > being > > > a > > > > > > > devotee, the devotion is the outcome, final result of > > mantra > > > > > > sadhana, > > > > > > > perhaps, Pandit Ji believes mantras are power > > packet,thinks, > > > i > > > > do > > > > > > it > > > > > > > this way , these many times and get this result, this is > > > where > > > > > most > > > > > > > of the people are confused. without being a good human > > being > > > if > > > > > we > > > > > > > think, we will achieve something in spirituality, is > > > difficult, > > > > > > very > > > > > > > difficult. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what happens is, with the mantra chanting, a self > > > > > transformation > > > > > > > process begins, u if dont restrict urself, ur karma > begins > > > > > > diluting, > > > > > > > and u begin ur purification process unknowingly, when > > > > substantial > > > > > > > part of ego and greed for respect vanishes and many such > > > thing > > > > > > > togather, mantra awakens u and with the God's grace ur > > > > objective > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > fullfilled, gradually u become a devotee. ur being simple > > and > > > > > being > > > > > > > devotee is sometimes is indication of ur's going on the > > right > > > > > track. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we have discussed a lot, it's enough !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Boss has given me lot of projects to complete, so, may > > be, > > > i > > > > m > > > > > > not > > > > > > > going to available in the group like i was recently. > > however. > > > i > > > > > > will > > > > > > > complete Garg Hora series. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then please dont generalize Your preferences as they > are > > > too > > > > > > > shallow for > > > > > > > > this Forum aspiration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafel, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I take Astrology as a good hobby, and i w'd be > looking > > at > > > > it > > > > > > with > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > engineer's approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I asked ur age because, it's our thinking to put our > > > > > parameters > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > god's system, there is nothing like delay or > > advancement > > > in > > > > > > > > > spirituality. So, " Delay " or " Speed " , " backwardness " > > > > > > > > > and " advancement " doesn't exist in spirituality, I > > > thought > > > > if > > > > > u > > > > > > r > > > > > > > > > thinking that it may take too much time, I wanted to > > tell > > > > u, > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > like that. there is no delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It clicks in fraction of a second, when u r getting > > > clicked > > > > > > > depends > > > > > > > > > on u and on god's will, when he wants u to get > clicked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God sometimes graces for no reason ( " Ahetuka " ) just > for > > > his > > > > > > > > > compassion towards u and it may happen next minute > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality is not delimited by time , effort and > > rules. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal > > Gendarz > > > > > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please be careful about words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Im happy that You are sharing Your experience - > very > > > > > > inspirating > > > > > > > > > ones. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If You > > > treat > > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > > > Vedanga > > > > > > > > > > as profession similar to engineering You have a > long > > > way > > > > to > > > > > > go. > > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > be pessimistic here are many who will try to help > You > > > in > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > > proper > > > > > > > > > > understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After some time You will agree with me about the > mala > > > and > > > > > > japa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of > > > developing > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > understanding, > > > > > > > > > > > u r trying to conclude something and going beyond > > > that > > > > u r > > > > > > > > > messaging > > > > > > > > > > > same to many. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m touching 35, What's ur age ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, like > i > > m > > > a > > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > > > > engineer, software engineering is my profession. > > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > > > > all sort of vidya or profession. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the > bliss > > > of > > > > > self > > > > > > > > > awakening or > > > > > > > > > > > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u feel > u > > > and > > > > > god > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > connected. dissolved in each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First realize, experience, then speak and then > > > suggest > > > > to > > > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > mere reading shastras or books u r not going to > > feel > > > > it. > > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > > > god > > > > > > > > > > > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u dont > > > avoid > > > > > this > > > > > > > sort > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > hurriedness instead of learning and > understanding, > > it > > > > > will > > > > > > > affect > > > > > > > > > u only > > > > > > > > > > > no one else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somehere i have read, it was written - By mere > > > > > > repeating " So- > > > > > > > > > Aham " no > > > > > > > > > > > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like one > > > > doesnt > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > cured by > > > > > > > > > > > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to take > > the > > > > > > medicine > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > cured " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed here, > i > > > > > shared > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a > > > > preecher, > > > > > > nor a > > > > > > > > > guru, nor > > > > > > > > > > > i have to make my followers, nor it's my > > profession, > > > > nor > > > > > i > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > to get > > > > > > > > > > > fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness a > > kind > > > of > > > > > > > > > affection, > > > > > > > > > > > that's it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, > > Rafal > > > > > Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than just > > > > > counting, > > > > > > > so for > > > > > > > > > > > natives > > > > > > > > > > > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any > other > > > > > > speculation > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > only illusory and just imagination. We should > > > follow > > > > Pt. > > > > > > > > > > > Dakshinamoorti > > > > > > > > > > > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of > > spiritual > > > > > > > development > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > slow and unauthoritative. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read > > > > > > > GuruDakshinamurthyi > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which brings > > in > > > > more > > > > > > > clarity > > > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicability principles to my mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I meant that both are necessity but to what > > > degree > > > > of > > > > > > time > > > > > > > (it > > > > > > > > > varies > > > > > > > > > > > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such > inbuilt > > > > > maturity > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine > > forces > > > > > after > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > > > period of saadhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in the > > > japa > > > > > maala > > > > > > > > > (which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from > > practical > > > > > point > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > view for > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > count) will help in keeping away destructive > > > forces > > > > > > > acting on > > > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > > > .Thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help us > in > > > > > keeping > > > > > > > away > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > negative thoughts and also trains our memory > to > > > be > > > > > > object > > > > > > > > > > > oriented.If > > > > > > > > > > > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity > > increase > > > > the > > > > > > > Gnaana > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > increase ,but at the same time destructive > > forces > > > > > > > > > (diversions) also > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic procedures > > > will > > > > > come > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > handy to > > > > > > > > > > > > > successfully fight the negative forces.The > > > rituals > > > > > may > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > Rising > > > > > > > > > > > > > early(if possible during Braahmi > muhurta),Taking > > > > > > > > > bath,Japaanusthaan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in > > > defined > > > > > > times > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > discipline > > > > > > > > > > > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through > > keeping > > > > our > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > healthy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so > called > > > > > symbolic > > > > > > > > > procedures > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as such) > > but > > > a > > > > > > > necessity > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > own good if we practice to the extent we can. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra. > lalit% > > > > > > 40gmail. > > > > > > > com>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we > count > > > or > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > count,target > > > > > > > > > > > > > is realization of god's love within, I got it > > > with > > > > no > > > > > > > > > counting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone may get it with counting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx, for the writing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > com>, > > > > > srinivasa > > > > > > > > > murthy adavi > > > > > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both views may be correct when the views > have/ > > > or > > > > > with > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > goal as > > > > > > > > > > > > > development of Love/Devotion towards > adhistana > > > > > Devatha > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Mantra > > > > > > > > > > > > > as Base. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the initial stage only you need the > > count;as > > > > one > > > > > > > > > develops the > > > > > > > > > > > > > habit the biological tuning of the > > intellect/body > > > > will > > > > > > > > > automatically > > > > > > > > > > > > > take care of the practice(without count- help > of > > > > malas > > > > > > > etc). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock > if > > we > > > > > wake > > > > > > up > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > 2 or 3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > days at some appointed hour,then > automatically > > we > > > > > > wakeup > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > the same > > > > > > > > > > > > > time every day without help of alarm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With due Respects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smadavi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa > on > > > > Mala. > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > > view is > > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be > > > > rejected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share > with > > > u, > > > > U > > > > > > pls. > > > > > > > stop > > > > > > > > > > > > > counting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives > > false > > > > ego > > > > > > and > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the > mantra > > > > > chanted > > > > > > by > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, > > it's > > > > his > > > > > > part > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > part > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has > to > > > > > awaken, > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > will be, > > > > > > > > > > > > > god > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will ensure it for u. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more > intelligent > > > > with > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > limited > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in > our > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the > > > time > > > > u > > > > > > put > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > for ur's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. > > > purity > > > > > > > counts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > > > > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting > very > > > > > > > interesting > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday > > we > > > > had a > > > > > > > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > esoteric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, > > and > > > > > today > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of > the > > > > cosmos! > > > > > > > > > Wonderful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical > > > > symphony " > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my > > > earlier > > > > > > post, > > > > > > > > > there are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other numerals that are significant in > > > occult > > > > > > > > > practices. 108 > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect > > > > number...While > > > > > > we > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > understood > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose > > sight > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is > just > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this > wonderful > > > > > > response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. --- In vedic- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com > > > <astrology% > > > > > > > > > > > > > 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this > > significance - > > > > the > > > > > > > moon is > > > > > > > > > away > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter > > and > > > > the > > > > > > sun > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > away > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is > > > > > applicable > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > deities > > > > > > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by > the > > > 108 > > > > > divya > > > > > > > > > desas of > > > > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > > > > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have > > given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ > . > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > > > > > > > com>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it > > is > > > a > > > > > very > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every > > > > > Nakshtras > > > > > > > has 4 > > > > > > > > > Charan > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > total > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. > > Each > > > > > > Charan > > > > > > > has 3 > > > > > > > > > > > degree > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 > degree > > > and > > > > 20 > > > > > > > > > minutes to > > > > > > > > > > > 108 > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one > > cycle > > > > > > (Circle). > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represetns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the > > > rashis, > > > > > > > planets and > > > > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 > > > > dimensional > > > > > > > > > horoscope. So > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chanting a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of > this > > > > > brahmand. > > > > > > > > > Further One > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one > time > > > > i.e. > > > > > he > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > brahmagyani he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri > before > > > his > > > > > name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > . > > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > com>, > > > > > babu > > > > > > > mon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for > all > > of > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the > reason > > > > that > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > remedies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recomended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to > provide > > a > > > > > reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- ------- -- > - > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get > > > better > > > > > > travel > > > > > > > > > answers > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this > > message > > > > have > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 29, 2007 This interesting discovery, the new mantra - " idiot ... idiot " is done by you, not by me, i only gave a hint to you, pls. do a purascharan of 10,000 repeatitions, will get u some good results. let's take it seriously, i vaguely remeber, once i partially read a book, no, perhapse, i read it's reference - " nighantu " , it has meanings of all the akschhar's of a varnmala, perhapse,all the dhatu rup's are also explained there. other seniors may tell u more. regards, Lalit. vedic astrology , " abhishekpotti " <abhishekpotti wrote: > > Oye Lalith: > > that Mara Mara was initiated by Sage Naarada....the background was > different.....Sage Vaalmiiki had a curse that he will forget the > mantra that he is initiated into and he will be impelled to chant it > in reverse....So, sage Naarada intelligently gave the reverse of the > mantra so that with time Sage Vaalmiiki chanted the raama name > perfectly after which he got salvation. > > Incidentally, Ant hills grew around him because he did not move for > long periods. Only after such intense tapasya did Vaalmiii get > wisdom. Not merely by chanting in buses and trains....... > > By the way, if you think chanting " idiot " will give you salvation, > keep doing it! May be you will get perfection in " idiocy " ....you are > nearing your perfection....that siddhi of idiocy is at arms' reach > for you. March on Hero to the Glorious siddhi of idiocy! > > Abhishek. > > vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@> > wrote: > > > > Huh, > > > > do chant 'idiot' - 'idiot' and learn why u will not get a > > salvation, u will. > > > > u forgot, valmiki got salvation by chanting, 'mara - mara' > > means, 'dead - dead', do something and then speak. > > > > And, i m always open to learn who knows something, but a > > manipulator .... and a lobby of manipulators, is itself blown out!! > > > > well, u got to know what u deserve !! > > > > with every line of posting u r exposing urlsef, ur narrowminded. > > > > and i m n'joying !! > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " abhishekpotti " > > <abhishekpotti@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalith: > > > > > > Again the peak of ignorance from you! > > > > > > Everything in the world - every language is composed of > > > aksharaas.....Moola mantras are different from naama > mantraas....It > > > is not a question of which is best....We only wish to point that > > > there are difference in the ways and attitudes with which they > are > > > approached.... > > > > > > If you - a mere profiting software engineer with your part-time > > > interest in sadhanas know this much, how much more will the > learned > > > Gurujis who have devoted their life and have richer occult > > experience > > > of a practical variety know about these things? Did you not read > > > about my post on the Deva Prashna experiences ? Read > that.....You > > > might have heard of such things, but in the Headquarters of > > > Tantricism - Kerala, we know these things better.....Stop > spreading > > > your shallow thoughts here as if they are the very depth of > > mysticism! > > > > > > Mohanraaamji called you an " idiot " ....Even this is composed of > the > > > aksharaas " Im " " Diom " and " T " . So, is this a mantra? So, you > will > > > attain salvation by chanting just " idiot " , " idiot " ......? Is that > > > your idea? > > > > > > You say you often chant various mantras....why don't you try > > chanting > > > Medha sooktham to give you a subtle understanding of things? > > > > > > Just because a sculptor uses the hammer and chisel, if the > > woodcutter > > > also does the same to the stone, will it turn into an idol? You > > are > > > the woodcutter; don't use your sloppy techniques on exalted > > > philosophies just because you see other more talented and > > > knowledgeable members are posting matters on that. > > > > > > In fact, even I do not post much things here because when there > are > > > more qualified persons here, why should I disturb this group with > > my > > > imperfections (I can assure you that I am myself well > knowledgeable > > > in these fields; yet I think twice before posting in this august > > > group and answer queries only if they are raised to me. And you > a > > > part-time jack of all trades feel competent to raise issues time > > and > > > again). > > > > > > Abhishek > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > And to tell u one more thing - > > > > > > > > mantra and god's name is one and same thing. > > > > > > > > both consists of akschharas. every akschhara of a varnmaala is > > > > itself a mantra. first understand that. > > > > > > > > and sometimes one akschhara of a God's name is also used as > > beeja - > > > > > > > > > > > " Rang (pronounce like kleem) Ramaaya Namah " > > > > > > > > what is there ? " Ra " is used like beej, right !! > > > > > > > > " Sham shanaishrayee namah " what is there, " Sha " is used as > > beeja > > > > right. > > > > > > > > Every Beeja/Name finally takes u to same destination, ur > union > > > with > > > > God. > > > > > > > > whatever u think about u, mantrika or bhakta , in essence it > is > > > one > > > > and same thing. > > > > > > > > > > > > if u think differently, u think, i dont bother. > > > > > > > > > > > > ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " litsol " > <mishra.lalit@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was waiting for u dear.. > > > > > > > > > > why u took time ? > > > > > > > > > > Do u mean Meera Bai discussed with u, what she did.. > > > > > > > > > > Do u know 'Kleem Krishnay, Govindaya Gopijan Vallabhaya > Namh' > > is > > > a > > > > > mantra for lord krishna. > > > > > > > > > > is there no beej mantras, to whom u wish to misguide ? let > > > thnigs > > > > > remain between lord, bhakta , their shraddha and their guru. > > > > > > > > > > why u people are so afraid of me, i m not in business of > guru. > > > > > > > > > > i m happy with my life, my profession of software > engineering > > > and > > > > > my hobbies ok. > > > > > > > > > > there are 7000+ members are here, by writing such type of > > > foolish > > > > > things u expose urself only, mind, there are better brains > here. > > > > > > > > > > this is enough ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , > > > > > " abhishekpotti " <abhishekpotti@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Mohanraaamji: > > > > > > > > > > > > Well said. Lalith is saying that " maybe in south india > > > devotees > > > > > > don't chant Moola mantras but not so in North " ...What > > > > > > stupidity.....He does not seem to understand that " mantra > > > > shaastra > > > > > > experts " are also devotees, but they cannot be called as > > > innocent > > > > > > saatwik bhaktaas! A typical example of a pure saadhwik > > bhakta > > > > will > > > > > > be Meera Bhai (was she not North Indian). Can Lalith say > > which > > > > > Dasa > > > > > > Mahaa Vidya Meera Bhai practised? She was immersed in > > Krishna > > > > > > consciousness and Lover for Him. Her own Bhajans were her > > > > prayers > > > > > in > > > > > > the bhaavana of Bhakti in the form of Love! This is not > > mantra > > > > > > shaastra. Another example will be Saant Tukhaaraam. These > > > > > bhaktaas > > > > > > did not chant moola mantraas. Panditji Dakshinamoorthi was > > on > > > > dot > > > > > in > > > > > > saying that " Pure bhaktaas do not chant complicated moola > > > > > mantraas " . > > > > > > You have clarified this fact wonderfully in your post. I > wish > > > > more > > > > > > knowledgeable persons also put erratic posters in their > place > > > > just > > > > > as > > > > > > Mohanraaamji does here. This will benefit more naive > readers > > > of > > > > > > these forums who might otherwise get confused as to which > of > > > the > > > > > > paths to follow. Actually, anyone can follow any path as > he/ > > > she > > > > > > deems it fit; but there should be consistency of procedures. > > > > > > > > > > > > We should not confuse mantrik rituals and bhakti > doctrines. > > > > > Bhaktaas > > > > > > can chant the names of Gods at anytime.....Mantra shaastra > > > > experts > > > > > > chanting advanced moola mantras should necessarily adopt > > ritual > > > > > > procedures for the welfare of themselves and others! > > > > > Yes...improper > > > > > > chanting of mantras can cause danger to the society also > just > > > as > > > > > > proper chanting can help others. Hence, this cannot be > > > > considered > > > > > as > > > > > > a personal preference of the aspirant. If this was not the > > > case, > > > > > why > > > > > > did sages codify spiritual practises scrupulously? > Rafalji, > > > > > > Mohanraaamji, etc. are correct in saying it is best to > follow > > > > > Pandit > > > > > > Dakshinamoorthiji's advices on mantra shastra or japams. > He > > is > > > > > > learned and he is living a life compatible to the shaastras > > > > though > > > > > he > > > > > > has faced uncertain circumstances in his own personal > life. > > He > > > > > never > > > > > > compromised on principles and he willingly paid the price > for > > > > that > > > > > > which most of us will never do. The words of such a person > > > > should > > > > > > obviously carry more weight. > > > > > > > > > > > > Abhishek. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , > > > > " mohanraaam " <mohanraaam@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Lalith: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have really done dasa Maha Vidyaa, you would have > > > never > > > > > > > approached a professional astrologer for > > consultation...that > > > > much > > > > > I > > > > > > > can say.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And what idiocy when you say Panditji is partly wrong? > He > > > > > > > said " Bhaktaas do not chant Moola mantras " , whereas you > > have > > > > > edited > > > > > > > the words to suit your ends....He never said " devotees > > don't > > > > > chant > > > > > > > Beej mantras " .....You are putting words into his mouth > and > > > > > assuming > > > > > > > he is wrong! Why, do you know....the Great Panditji > himself > > > > > chants > > > > > > > Moola mantras.....He is a bhakta and a mantra shastra > > expert. > > > > As > > > > > a > > > > > > > bhakta he keeps incessant chanting of naama japa > throughout > > > the > > > > > > day; > > > > > > > as a mantra shastra expert, he restricts the moola mantra > > > > japams > > > > > to > > > > > > > stipulated times with ritual purity.....It is this > > wonderful > > > > > > practice > > > > > > > that Guruji was alluding to. Guruji cannot be wrong in > > > ritual > > > > > and > > > > > > > occult matters. Please understand that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are 4 classes of Devotees.......1) Saatwik vedic > > > devotees > > > > > who > > > > > > > will follow vedic dharma scrupulously. They will not > dare > > to > > > > > > compare > > > > > > > astrology and vedanga to Engineering! as you did... > > > > > > > 2) Raajasik devotees who will follow vedic disciplines as > > far > > > > as > > > > > > > possible, but will still go after upaasanaas of Demi- Gods > > for > > > > > > > accomplishment of siddhis. Mantra shaastra experts > usually > > > > fall > > > > > in > > > > > > > this category. > > > > > > > 3) Saatwik Bhaktaas - for whom the meditation and glory > of > > > > their > > > > > > > Ishta Devataa is enough for spiritual satisfaction. It > is > > > this > > > > > > > category that Guruji referred to when he said they will > not > > > > chant > > > > > > > Moola mantras too much. Definitely they will not do Dasa > > > Mahaa > > > > > > > Vidyaa. > > > > > > > 4) Taamasic Devotees - Those whose main motive is to > > project > > > > > > > themselves at all costs and acting as if they are equal > to > > > the > > > > > > > experts; they will try ALL practices - whether they are > > > > > sanctioned > > > > > > by > > > > > > > vedas or not.....Their only aim is personal glory and > > > > > > satisfaction. > > > > > > > They will attack even established dharma if they do not > get > > > > > results > > > > > > > (sounds familiar....You are one!) Ignorance and half- > baked > > > > > > knowledge > > > > > > > and egotism are these persons' motivating fuel. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are really satan's Gift to this list.......My only > > prayer > > > > is > > > > > > that > > > > > > > innocent members of this list do not get side-tracked > with > > > your > > > > > > > ramblings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me make this clear to the list.....Panditji said that > > > > saatwik > > > > > > > Bhaktaas who chant Divine names only due to Pure Love on > > God > > > > > > usually > > > > > > > never chant mantrik moola mantraas. It is just one class > > of > > > > > > > devotees. A rajasik bhakta who is a mantra-shaastra > expert > > > may > > > > > > even > > > > > > > be a bhakta at heart; and a pure bhakta may sometimes > chant > > > > some > > > > > > > mantrik japams for solving some practical > issues......But, > > > when > > > > > > they > > > > > > > switch their routines temporarily, these enlightened > > devotees > > > > > > usually > > > > > > > take good guidance and follow the tenets of shaastras > > > > > > > scrupulously....Definitely they will not sit on > assumption > > > like > > > > > > > Lalith. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand, this fellow claims he has done chants in > > > > > forests, > > > > > > > rivers, earth, etc. (Probably we have a Maharishi here! > > What > > > > > > heights > > > > > > > of pointless pride in this young man list....it is > > > > disgusting!). > > > > > > On > > > > > > > the other hand, he says he chants mantras in buses, > trains, > > > > > > etc...... > > > > > > > He is confused about which no body can have issues. Only > > his > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > should be concerned about that.....But, his attempts to > > stuff > > > > his > > > > > > > shallow understanding upon this list is reprehensible. > > And, > > > > his > > > > > > > habit of quoting experts out of context is really > > > condemnable. > > > > > May > > > > > > > Jupiter's Light Shine on that fellow and teach him to > > respect > > > > the > > > > > > > hallowed traditions and to stay at his level rather than > > > trying > > > > > > > to " teach " others (He has the audacity to claim he is > > > > " teaching " > > > > > > > Rafalji!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If a mere young man of 35 years who has spent his life on > a > > > > > " Failed > > > > > > > computer web desining business " , " pointless email chasing > > of > > > > > > girls " , > > > > > > > and other " past times " can gain insight as he claims, how > > > much > > > > > will > > > > > > > learned Gurus of this group with their life of devotion > to > > > > > vedanta > > > > > > > and vedanga know? His peanut brain and hyper-inflated > ego > > > will > > > > > > never > > > > > > > allow him to see this obvious truth. But, please list > > > exercise > > > > > > your > > > > > > > discretion while reading his posts (There are doubtless > > some > > > > good > > > > > > > elements even in his posts; but mostly there is trash > > > presented > > > > > as > > > > > > > philosophy). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mohanraaam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , > > > > " litsol " <mishra.lalit@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do u think, a hobby means shallow knowledge of the > > domain, > > > No > > > > > > > rafal, > > > > > > > > it's not like that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At least not for me. You have learnt and i m learning, > i > > > read > > > > > > ur's > > > > > > > > replies and get benifitted, same way i wanted you to > pay > > > > heed > > > > > to > > > > > > > > what i have written about spritiuality, mostrly i did > > write > > > > for > > > > > u > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have done all 10 mahavidyas of tantra and read many > > > tantrik > > > > > > > > classics, spent good deal of time with great tantriks > > > > trained > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Kamakhya and other places, keenly observed their > doings, > > > > their > > > > > > > > mistakes etc.., I did tremendous mantra chanting on > > water, > > > > on > > > > > > > earth, > > > > > > > > at home, in forests etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then reached here, then i did write something, but > sorry > > i > > > > dont > > > > > > > > remember shlokas. i was not interested in cramming that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Panditji is not fully correct in saying that > BeejMantras > > > are > > > > > not > > > > > > > > chanted by devotees, I dont know much about South India > > but > > > > in > > > > > > > North > > > > > > > > normally its done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And a successfull mantra sadhana has to result in one's > > > being > > > > a > > > > > > > > devotee, the devotion is the outcome, final result of > > > mantra > > > > > > > sadhana, > > > > > > > > perhaps, Pandit Ji believes mantras are power > > > packet,thinks, > > > > i > > > > > do > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > this way , these many times and get this result, this > is > > > > where > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > of the people are confused. without being a good human > > > being > > > > if > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > think, we will achieve something in spirituality, is > > > > difficult, > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > difficult. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what happens is, with the mantra chanting, a self > > > > > > transformation > > > > > > > > process begins, u if dont restrict urself, ur karma > > begins > > > > > > > diluting, > > > > > > > > and u begin ur purification process unknowingly, when > > > > > substantial > > > > > > > > part of ego and greed for respect vanishes and many > such > > > > thing > > > > > > > > togather, mantra awakens u and with the God's grace ur > > > > > objective > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > fullfilled, gradually u become a devotee. ur being > simple > > > and > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > devotee is sometimes is indication of ur's going on the > > > right > > > > > > track. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we have discussed a lot, it's enough !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Boss has given me lot of projects to complete, so, > may > > > be, > > > > i > > > > > m > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > going to available in the group like i was recently. > > > however. > > > > i > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > complete Garg Hora series. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then please dont generalize Your preferences as they > > are > > > > too > > > > > > > > shallow for > > > > > > > > > this Forum aspiration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafel, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I take Astrology as a good hobby, and i w'd be > > looking > > > at > > > > > it > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > engineer's approach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I asked ur age because, it's our thinking to put > our > > > > > > parameters > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > god's system, there is nothing like delay or > > > advancement > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > spirituality. So, " Delay " > or " Speed " , " backwardness " > > > > > > > > > > and " advancement " doesn't exist in spirituality, I > > > > thought > > > > > if > > > > > > u > > > > > > > r > > > > > > > > > > thinking that it may take too much time, I wanted > to > > > tell > > > > > u, > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > like that. there is no delay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It clicks in fraction of a second, when u r getting > > > > clicked > > > > > > > > depends > > > > > > > > > > on u and on god's will, when he wants u to get > > clicked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God sometimes graces for no reason ( " Ahetuka " ) just > > for > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > compassion towards u and it may happen next minute > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality is not delimited by time , effort and > > > rules. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal > > > Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please be careful about words. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Im happy that You are sharing Your experience - > > very > > > > > > > inspirating > > > > > > > > > > ones. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Age hierarchy is for sudras - Manu Samhita. If > You > > > > treat > > > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > Vedanga > > > > > > > > > > > as profession similar to engineering You have a > > long > > > > way > > > > > to > > > > > > > go. > > > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > be pessimistic here are many who will try to help > > You > > > > in > > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > > > proper > > > > > > > > > > > understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After some time You will agree with me about the > > mala > > > > and > > > > > > > japa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rafal, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here u r doing two wrong things, instead of > > > > developing > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > understanding, > > > > > > > > > > > > u r trying to conclude something and going > beyond > > > > that > > > > > u r > > > > > > > > > > messaging > > > > > > > > > > > > same to many. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m touching 35, What's ur age ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a kind of vidya or profession, > like > > i > > > m > > > > a > > > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > > > > > engineer, software engineering is my > profession. > > > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > > > > > all sort of vidya or profession. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish u to be a good soul and to realize the > > bliss > > > > of > > > > > > self > > > > > > > > > > awakening or > > > > > > > > > > > > in other terms, the bliss that comes once u > feel > > u > > > > and > > > > > > god > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > connected. dissolved in each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First realize, experience, then speak and then > > > > suggest > > > > > to > > > > > > > > others, > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > mere reading shastras or books u r not going to > > > feel > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > > > > god > > > > > > > > > > > > graces u it's very very difficult. and if u > dont > > > > avoid > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > sort > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > hurriedness instead of learning and > > understanding, > > > it > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > affect > > > > > > > > > > u only > > > > > > > > > > > > no one else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somehere i have read, it was written - By mere > > > > > > > repeating " So- > > > > > > > > > > Aham " no > > > > > > > > > > > > one gets liberated unless he realizes it like > one > > > > > doesnt > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > cured by > > > > > > > > > > > > knowing the name of the medicine, u need to > take > > > the > > > > > > > medicine > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > cured " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, pls. be wise, as it was being discussed > here, > > i > > > > > > shared > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > experience of my life, pls. mind it, i m not a > > > > > preecher, > > > > > > > nor a > > > > > > > > > > guru, nor > > > > > > > > > > > > i have to make my followers, nor it's my > > > profession, > > > > > nor > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > to get > > > > > > > > > > > > fame, sharing things is a kind of friendliness > a > > > kind > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > affection, > > > > > > > > > > > > that's it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, > > > Rafal > > > > > > Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > <starsuponme@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyotishas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Counting of mala has more depth sense than > just > > > > > > counting, > > > > > > > > so for > > > > > > > > > > > > natives > > > > > > > > > > > > > like Litsol counting is neccessary and any > > other > > > > > > > speculation > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > only illusory and just imagination. We should > > > > follow > > > > > Pt. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dakshinamoorti > > > > > > > > > > > > > advise strictly, otherwise our process of > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > development > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > slow and unauthoritative. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Sri Lalitji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your mail.But please also read > > > > > > > > GuruDakshinamurthyi > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail(addressing me) also on this,which > brings > > > in > > > > > more > > > > > > > > clarity > > > > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicability principles to my mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I meant that both are necessity but to what > > > > degree > > > > > of > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > (it > > > > > > > > > > varies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from saadhaka to saadhaka) to get such > > inbuilt > > > > > > maturity > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the count will be taken care of by Divine > > > forces > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period of saadhana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Morover the type of bio matter present in > the > > > > japa > > > > > > maala > > > > > > > > > > (which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > symbolic for ritualism as well as from > > > practical > > > > > > point > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > view for > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > count) will help in keeping away > destructive > > > > forces > > > > > > > > acting on > > > > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > > > > .Thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the symbolic rituals will indirectly help > us > > in > > > > > > keeping > > > > > > > > away > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > negative thoughts and also trains our > memory > > to > > > > be > > > > > > > object > > > > > > > > > > > > oriented.If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our memory grows and retentive capacity > > > increase > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Gnaana > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > increase ,but at the same time destructive > > > forces > > > > > > > > > > (diversions) also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes powerful.Thus the symbolic > procedures > > > > will > > > > > > come > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > handy to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > successfully fight the negative forces.The > > > > rituals > > > > > > may > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > Rising > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early(if possible during Braahmi > > muhurta),Taking > > > > > > > > > > bath,Japaanusthaan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attending to the livelihood job etc etc in > > > > defined > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > discipline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > helps indirectly tune our memory through > > > keeping > > > > > our > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > healthy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus ultimately we conclude that the so > > called > > > > > > symbolic > > > > > > > > > > procedures > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not actually symbolic(it got branded as > such) > > > but > > > > a > > > > > > > > necessity > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own good if we practice to the extent we > can. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting mishra.lalit@ ... <mishra. > > lalit% > > > > > > > 40gmail. > > > > > > > > com>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp. Sri Murthy Adavi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, what you said is perfectly right, we > > count > > > > or > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > count,target > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is realization of god's love within, I got > it > > > > with > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > counting, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone may get it with counting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx, for the writing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > com>, > > > > > > srinivasa > > > > > > > > > > murthy adavi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asmp2k02@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Learned Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both views may be correct when the views > > have/ > > > > or > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > goal as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > development of Love/Devotion towards > > adhistana > > > > > > Devatha > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Mantra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as Base. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the initial stage only you need the > > > count;as > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > develops the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > habit the biological tuning of the > > > intellect/body > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > automatically > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take care of the practice(without count- > help > > of > > > > > malas > > > > > > > > etc). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock > > if > > > we > > > > > > wake > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > 2 or 3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days at some appointed hour,then > > automatically > > > we > > > > > > > wakeup > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > the same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time every day without help of alarm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With due Respects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smadavi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra > Japa > > on > > > > > Mala. > > > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > > > view is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be > > > > > rejected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share > > with > > > > u, > > > > > U > > > > > > > pls. > > > > > > > > stop > > > > > > > > > > > > > > counting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives > > > false > > > > > ego > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the > > mantra > > > > > > chanted > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, > > > it's > > > > > his > > > > > > > part > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > ur > > > > > > > > > > > > part > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra > has > > to > > > > > > awaken, > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > will be, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > god > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will ensure it for u. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more > > intelligent > > > > > with > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > limited > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in > > our > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > growth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about > the > > > > time > > > > > u > > > > > > > put > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > for ur's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure > heart. > > > > purity > > > > > > > > counts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ . com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > > > > > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting > > very > > > > > > > > interesting > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enlightening for all members. > Yesterday > > > we > > > > > had a > > > > > > > > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > esoteric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil > Dikshit, > > > and > > > > > > today > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > wonderful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of > > the > > > > > cosmos! > > > > > > > > > > Wonderful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical > > > > > symphony " > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my > > > > earlier > > > > > > > post, > > > > > > > > > > there are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other numerals that are significant > in > > > > occult > > > > > > > > > > practices. 108 > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect > > > > > number...While > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understood > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose > > > sight > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > fact > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is > > just > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this > > wonderful > > > > > > > response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. --- In > vedic- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com > > > > <astrology% > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 40. com>, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this > > > significance - > > > > > the > > > > > > > > moon is > > > > > > > > > > away > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) > diameter > > > and > > > > > the > > > > > > > sun > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > away > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances > is > > > > > > applicable > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > deities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by > > the > > > > 108 > > > > > > divya > > > > > > > > > > desas of > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ > . > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > > > > > > > > com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have > > > given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > . > > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. > > > > > > > > > > com>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but > it > > > is > > > > a > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > > question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and > every > > > > > > Nakshtras > > > > > > > > has 4 > > > > > > > > > > Charan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > total > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 > Charan. > > > Each > > > > > > > Charan > > > > > > > > has 3 > > > > > > > > > > > > degree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 > > degree > > > > and > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > > > > minutes to > > > > > > > > > > > > 108 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one > > > cycle > > > > > > > (Circle). > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represetns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the > > > > rashis, > > > > > > > > planets and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 > > > > > dimensional > > > > > > > > > > horoscope. So > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chanting a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of > > this > > > > > > brahmand. > > > > > > > > > > Further One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one > > time > > > > > i.e. > > > > > > he > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brahmagyani he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri > > before > > > > his > > > > > > name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology@ > > > . > > > > com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic- astrology% > 40. > > > > com>, > > > > > > babu > > > > > > > > mon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for > > all > > > of > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the > > reason > > > > > that > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > remedies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recomended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to > > provide > > > a > > > > > > reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- ----- -- > -- > > - > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get > > > > better > > > > > > > travel > > > > > > > > > > answers > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this > > > message > > > > > have > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > > been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > > been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 3, 2007 Dear Sir, I just have a question on the japa count. I have a habit of saying 'RAM' pretty much all the time. Sometimes I feel that I am saying even while sleeping, most of the times it just keeps going on involuntarily. However, I do not keep a count of how many times I am reciting the name. I also used to write RAM in books, I don't remember how many I have written. Am I doing something wrong by not counting? Is it always necessary to count any sloka or Lord's name? I'd really appreciate your answer. Regards, Mona dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote: To: vedic astrology " dakshinastrologer " <dakshinastrologer Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:22:13 -0000 [vedic astrology] Re: regarding 108 Dear Shri. Srinivasamurthy: Actually the japa maala is not merely an initial stage tool. It has esoteric values far beyond our comprehension. Otherwise, why would great siddha purushaas, saints like Aadi Shankaraachaarya, Shri Raaghavendra, etc. have used the japa maala? Let us not confuse devotion and mantrik procedures here at all. A pure bhakta almost never chants Moola mantraas except the naama japam of his Ishta Devataa. Regarding the counts, even Satguru Thyaagaraajaa was advised to perform Raama Naama japam for certain count by no less a personage than Sage Naarada in disguise, and the Satguru reached such an exalted spiritual status only after he finished the count of japam. It is like, you have to give me 5000000 rupees, if you say that you will give me whatever you can with devotion, will it suffice to me? Likewise, when the debt that we incur to the sages by using their teachings and mantras can be paid back only after we finish certain initial counts on the mantras with proper procedures. This process is called Purascharanaa. After this, the mantra become " Swaadeena " to you. So, you can do what you want with that. Just a single chant of the mantra will give manifest results. Lord Hanumaan did not keep on chanting Raama naama japam for 100 years to cross Sri Lanka. It was a single Leap of Faith with the chant " Jai Shri Raam " . But, can we say that we are THAT level of devotion? Concepts like " advanced practitioners do not need that " are o.k. in truth, but in reality they will rather mislead the aspirants. We are all egoistic. So, after some initial saadhanaas, we will tend to assume " I have reached this level; so it is not necessary for me " ....while in reality, we may not be qualified for such exalted status that warrants exemption of rituals. So, it is better to err on the conservative side.....by following rituals and practises as ordained by sages and traditions instead of diluting them to fit our theoretical perspectives. A SPIRITUALLY ADVANCED PRACTITIONER WILL NOT LOSE ANYTHING BY FOLLOWING THESE RITUALS....IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER ONE FOLLOWS THESE PERCEPTS OR NOT AT THAT LEVEL.....THEIR SPIRITUALITY WILL NOT COME DOWN BY THESE! BY AN INITIAL STAGE SAADHAKAA WHO ASSUMES WRONGLY THAT HIS SYSTEM IS ALREADY TUNED TO THE MANTRAS WILL FIND THAT THE PRACTICE WILL SLIP OUT OF HIS HABITS GRADUALLY WITHOUT THESE RITUALS AND COUNTERCHECKS LIKE JAPA MAALA, JAPA COUNT, POOJA, ETC. MAN IS INNATELY LAZY AND EGOISTIC, AND OUR MIND WILL ALWAYS FIND EXCUSES FOR OUR ACTIONS. Following the precepts of sages verbatim to the extent possible is in itself a tapasya! This post is just a suggestion to all spiritual aspirants. Those who want to follow this may follow; others may kindly ignore this. Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology , srinivasa murthy adavi <asmp2k02 wrote: > > Respected Learned Members, > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the goal as development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the Mantra as Base. > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one develops the habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will automatically take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc). > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for 2 or 3 days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at the same time every day without help of alarm. > > With due Respects > > smadavi > > > Quoting starsuponme: > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > Dear Litsol, > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is against > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop counting > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part is > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be, god > > will ensure it for u. > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth. > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful > > esoteric > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe. > > But, > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are > > various > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is a > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have understood > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that there > > are > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of > > the > > > list. > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% 40>, > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away from > > the > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away from the > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities too. > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > > > > > Actually > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan so > > > total > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree and > > > 20 > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 it > > > comes > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > > > > > represetns > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and nakshatra > > > are > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > > > chanting a > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One who > > > has > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is brahmagyani he > > > is > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, babu mon > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > > > recomended > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > > someone > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 3, 2007 *hraum namah adityaya* Dear Mona, Its allright, Vija doesnt require so much regulations as standart mantras. Please continue. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa ashram: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Mona napisa?(a): > > Dear Sir, > > I just have a question on the japa count. I have a habit of saying > 'RAM' pretty much all the time. Sometimes I feel that I am saying even > while sleeping, most of the times it just keeps going on > involuntarily. However, I do not keep a count of how many times I am > reciting the name. I also used to write RAM in books, I don't remember > how many I have written. Am I doing something wrong by not counting? > Is it always necessary to count any sloka or Lord's name? I'd really > appreciate your answer. > Regards, > Mona > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ .co. in > <dakshinastrologer%40.co.in>> wrote: vedic astrology@ > . com <vedic astrology%40> > " dakshinastrologer " <dakshinastrologer@ .co. in > <dakshinastrologer%40.co.in>> > Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:22:13 -0000 > [vedic astrology] Re: regarding 108 > > Dear Shri. Srinivasamurthy: > > Actually the japa maala is not merely an initial stage tool. It has > esoteric values far beyond our comprehension. Otherwise, why would > great siddha purushaas, saints like Aadi Shankaraachaarya, Shri > Raaghavendra, etc. have used the japa maala? > > Let us not confuse devotion and mantrik procedures here at all. A > pure bhakta almost never chants Moola mantraas except the naama japam > of his Ishta Devataa. > > Regarding the counts, even Satguru Thyaagaraajaa was advised to > perform Raama Naama japam for certain count by no less a personage > than Sage Naarada in disguise, and the Satguru reached such an > exalted spiritual status only after he finished the count of japam. > > It is like, you have to give me 5000000 rupees, if you say that you > will give me whatever you can with devotion, will it suffice to me? > Likewise, when the debt that we incur to the sages by using their > teachings and mantras can be paid back only after we finish certain > initial counts on the mantras with proper procedures. This process > is called Purascharanaa. After this, the mantra become " Swaadeena " > to you. So, you can do what you want with that. Just a single chant > of the mantra will give manifest results. > > Lord Hanumaan did not keep on chanting Raama naama japam for 100 > years to cross Sri Lanka. It was a single Leap of Faith with the > chant " Jai Shri Raam " . But, can we say that we are THAT level of > devotion? Concepts like " advanced practitioners do not need that " are > o.k. in truth, but in reality they will rather mislead the > aspirants. We are all egoistic. So, after some initial saadhanaas, > we will tend to assume " I have reached this level; so it is not > necessary for me " ....while in reality, we may not be qualified for > such exalted status that warrants exemption of rituals. > > So, it is better to err on the conservative side.....by following > rituals and practises as ordained by sages and traditions instead of > diluting them to fit our theoretical perspectives. > > A SPIRITUALLY ADVANCED PRACTITIONER WILL NOT LOSE ANYTHING BY > FOLLOWING THESE RITUALS....IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER ONE FOLLOWS > THESE PERCEPTS OR NOT AT THAT LEVEL.....THEIR SPIRITUALITY WILL NOT > COME DOWN BY THESE! BY AN INITIAL STAGE SAADHAKAA WHO ASSUMES > WRONGLY THAT HIS SYSTEM IS ALREADY TUNED TO THE MANTRAS WILL FIND > THAT THE PRACTICE WILL SLIP OUT OF HIS HABITS GRADUALLY WITHOUT THESE > RITUALS AND COUNTERCHECKS LIKE JAPA MAALA, JAPA COUNT, POOJA, ETC. > MAN IS INNATELY LAZY AND EGOISTIC, AND OUR MIND WILL ALWAYS FIND > EXCUSES FOR OUR ACTIONS. > > Following the precepts of sages verbatim to the extent possible is in > itself a tapasya! > > This post is just a suggestion to all spiritual aspirants. Those who > want to follow this may follow; others may kindly ignore this. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, srinivasa murthy adavi > <asmp2k02@.. .> wrote: > > > > Respected Learned Members, > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the goal as > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the Mantra > as Base. > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one develops the > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will automatically > take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc). > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for 2 or 3 > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at the same > time every day without help of alarm. > > > > With due Respects > > > > smadavi > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ ...: > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is > against > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > email: rafal > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop > counting > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then > > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part > is > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be, > god > > > will ensure it for u. > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth. > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful > > > esoteric > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe. > > > But, > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are > > > various > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is > a > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have > understood > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that > there > > > are > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of > > > the > > > > list. > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% > 40. com>, > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away > from > > > the > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away > from the > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities > too. > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord > > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > > > > > > Actually > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan > so > > > > total > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree > and > > > > 20 > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 > it > > > > comes > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > > > > > > represetns > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and > nakshatra > > > > are > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > > > > chanting a > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One > who > > > > has > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is > brahmagyani he > > > > is > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, babu mon > > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > > > > recomended > > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > > > someone > > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 3, 2007 Mona Ji, As per me and what i saw in my life, u r going in right direction. this is the way one has to move on. count to countless. Most people derive their faith from what they hear or said, better way to have faith is to experiment and realize. Have u faced any bad result on account of ur's not counting propely. See, i have chanted mantra mainly for Maa Durga, but in June, Lord Ram was standing by my headside, I saw him, while i got up in the morning, and thought to read Times of India. I have to say this to you, It happened without counting and without invoking lord Rama. Who knows how they blesses you. And if it can happen to me, it can happen to any one, this is the purpose of sharing, otherwise, i can be declared mad easily by those who have not experienced. Panditji will tell u what is there in shastras. regards, Lalit. vedic astrology , Mona <due0803 wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > I just have a question on the japa count. I have a habit of saying 'RAM' pretty much all the time. Sometimes I feel that I am saying even while sleeping, most of the times it just keeps going on involuntarily. However, I do not keep a count of how many times I am reciting the name. I also used to write RAM in books, I don't remember how many I have written. Am I doing something wrong by not counting? Is it always necessary to count any sloka or Lord's name? I'd really appreciate your answer. > Regards, > Mona > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote: vedic- astrology > " dakshinastrologer " <dakshinastrologer > Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:22:13 -0000 > [vedic astrology] Re: regarding 108 > > Dear Shri. Srinivasamurthy: > > Actually the japa maala is not merely an initial stage tool. It has > esoteric values far beyond our comprehension. Otherwise, why would > great siddha purushaas, saints like Aadi Shankaraachaarya, Shri > Raaghavendra, etc. have used the japa maala? > > Let us not confuse devotion and mantrik procedures here at all. A > pure bhakta almost never chants Moola mantraas except the naama japam > of his Ishta Devataa. > > Regarding the counts, even Satguru Thyaagaraajaa was advised to > perform Raama Naama japam for certain count by no less a personage > than Sage Naarada in disguise, and the Satguru reached such an > exalted spiritual status only after he finished the count of japam. > > It is like, you have to give me 5000000 rupees, if you say that you > will give me whatever you can with devotion, will it suffice to me? > Likewise, when the debt that we incur to the sages by using their > teachings and mantras can be paid back only after we finish certain > initial counts on the mantras with proper procedures. This process > is called Purascharanaa. After this, the mantra become " Swaadeena " > to you. So, you can do what you want with that. Just a single chant > of the mantra will give manifest results. > > Lord Hanumaan did not keep on chanting Raama naama japam for 100 > years to cross Sri Lanka. It was a single Leap of Faith with the > chant " Jai Shri Raam " . But, can we say that we are THAT level of > devotion? Concepts like " advanced practitioners do not need that " are > o.k. in truth, but in reality they will rather mislead the > aspirants. We are all egoistic. So, after some initial saadhanaas, > we will tend to assume " I have reached this level; so it is not > necessary for me " ....while in reality, we may not be qualified for > such exalted status that warrants exemption of rituals. > > So, it is better to err on the conservative side.....by following > rituals and practises as ordained by sages and traditions instead of > diluting them to fit our theoretical perspectives. > > A SPIRITUALLY ADVANCED PRACTITIONER WILL NOT LOSE ANYTHING BY > FOLLOWING THESE RITUALS....IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER ONE FOLLOWS > THESE PERCEPTS OR NOT AT THAT LEVEL.....THEIR SPIRITUALITY WILL NOT > COME DOWN BY THESE! BY AN INITIAL STAGE SAADHAKAA WHO ASSUMES > WRONGLY THAT HIS SYSTEM IS ALREADY TUNED TO THE MANTRAS WILL FIND > THAT THE PRACTICE WILL SLIP OUT OF HIS HABITS GRADUALLY WITHOUT THESE > RITUALS AND COUNTERCHECKS LIKE JAPA MAALA, JAPA COUNT, POOJA, ETC. > MAN IS INNATELY LAZY AND EGOISTIC, AND OUR MIND WILL ALWAYS FIND > EXCUSES FOR OUR ACTIONS. > > Following the precepts of sages verbatim to the extent possible is in > itself a tapasya! > > This post is just a suggestion to all spiritual aspirants. Those who > want to follow this may follow; others may kindly ignore this. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology , srinivasa murthy adavi > <asmp2k02@> wrote: > > > > Respected Learned Members, > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the goal as > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the Mantra > as Base. > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one develops the > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will automatically > take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc). > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for 2 or 3 > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at the same > time every day without help of alarm. > > > > With due Respects > > > > smadavi > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@: > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is > against > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > email: rafal@ > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop > counting > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then > > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part > is > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be, > god > > > will ensure it for u. > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth. > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful > > > esoteric > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe. > > > But, > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are > > > various > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is > a > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have > understood > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that > there > > > are > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of > > > the > > > > list. > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% > 40>, > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away > from > > > the > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away > from the > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities > too. > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord > > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology%40>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > > > > > > Actually > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan > so > > > > total > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree > and > > > > 20 > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 > it > > > > comes > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > > > > > > represetns > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and > nakshatra > > > > are > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > > > > chanting a > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One > who > > > > has > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is > brahmagyani he > > > > is > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology%40>, babu mon > > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > > > > recomended > > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > > > someone > > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 3, 2007 Hi lalit can u please share your birth details with us... At least we should know wht sort of birth chart you have which has given you such divine things......... litsol <mishra.lalit vedic astrology Friday, August 3, 2007 6:38:47 PM [vedic astrology] Re: regarding 108 Mona Ji, As per me and what i saw in my life, u r going in right direction. this is the way one has to move on. count to countless. Most people derive their faith from what they hear or said, better way to have faith is to experiment and realize. Have u faced any bad result on account of ur's not counting propely. See, i have chanted mantra mainly for Maa Durga, but in June, Lord Ram was standing by my headside, I saw him, while i got up in the morning, and thought to read Times of India. I have to say this to you, It happened without counting and without invoking lord Rama. Who knows how they blesses you. And if it can happen to me, it can happen to any one, this is the purpose of sharing, otherwise, i can be declared mad easily by those who have not experienced. Panditji will tell u what is there in shastras. regards, Lalit. vedic astrology, Mona <due0803 > wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > I just have a question on the japa count. I have a habit of saying 'RAM' pretty much all the time. Sometimes I feel that I am saying even while sleeping, most of the times it just keeps going on involuntarily. However, I do not keep a count of how many times I am reciting the name. I also used to write RAM in books, I don't remember how many I have written. Am I doing something wrong by not counting? Is it always necessary to count any sloka or Lord's name? I'd really appreciate your answer. > Regards, > Mona > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: vedic- astrology@grou ps.com > " dakshinastrologer " <dakshinastrologer@ ...> > Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:22:13 -0000 > [vedic astrology] Re: regarding 108 > > Dear Shri. Srinivasamurthy: > > Actually the japa maala is not merely an initial stage tool. It has > esoteric values far beyond our comprehension. Otherwise, why would > great siddha purushaas, saints like Aadi Shankaraachaarya, Shri > Raaghavendra, etc. have used the japa maala? > > Let us not confuse devotion and mantrik procedures here at all. A > pure bhakta almost never chants Moola mantraas except the naama japam > of his Ishta Devataa. > > Regarding the counts, even Satguru Thyaagaraajaa was advised to > perform Raama Naama japam for certain count by no less a personage > than Sage Naarada in disguise, and the Satguru reached such an > exalted spiritual status only after he finished the count of japam. > > It is like, you have to give me 5000000 rupees, if you say that you > will give me whatever you can with devotion, will it suffice to me? > Likewise, when the debt that we incur to the sages by using their > teachings and mantras can be paid back only after we finish certain > initial counts on the mantras with proper procedures. This process > is called Purascharanaa. After this, the mantra become " Swaadeena " > to you. So, you can do what you want with that. Just a single chant > of the mantra will give manifest results. > > Lord Hanumaan did not keep on chanting Raama naama japam for 100 > years to cross Sri Lanka. It was a single Leap of Faith with the > chant " Jai Shri Raam " . But, can we say that we are THAT level of > devotion? Concepts like " advanced practitioners do not need that " are > o.k. in truth, but in reality they will rather mislead the > aspirants. We are all egoistic. So, after some initial saadhanaas, > we will tend to assume " I have reached this level; so it is not > necessary for me " ....while in reality, we may not be qualified for > such exalted status that warrants exemption of rituals. > > So, it is better to err on the conservative side.....by following > rituals and practises as ordained by sages and traditions instead of > diluting them to fit our theoretical perspectives. > > A SPIRITUALLY ADVANCED PRACTITIONER WILL NOT LOSE ANYTHING BY > FOLLOWING THESE RITUALS....IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER ONE FOLLOWS > THESE PERCEPTS OR NOT AT THAT LEVEL.....THEIR SPIRITUALITY WILL NOT > COME DOWN BY THESE! BY AN INITIAL STAGE SAADHAKAA WHO ASSUMES > WRONGLY THAT HIS SYSTEM IS ALREADY TUNED TO THE MANTRAS WILL FIND > THAT THE PRACTICE WILL SLIP OUT OF HIS HABITS GRADUALLY WITHOUT THESE > RITUALS AND COUNTERCHECKS LIKE JAPA MAALA, JAPA COUNT, POOJA, ETC. > MAN IS INNATELY LAZY AND EGOISTIC, AND OUR MIND WILL ALWAYS FIND > EXCUSES FOR OUR ACTIONS. > > Following the precepts of sages verbatim to the extent possible is in > itself a tapasya! > > This post is just a suggestion to all spiritual aspirants. Those who > want to follow this may follow; others may kindly ignore this. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology, srinivasa murthy adavi > <asmp2k02@> wrote: > > > > Respected Learned Members, > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the goal as > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the Mantra > as Base. > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one develops the > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will automatically > take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc). > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for 2 or 3 > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at the same > time every day without help of alarm. > > > > With due Respects > > > > smadavi > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ : > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is > against > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > email: rafal@ > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop > counting > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then > > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part > is > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be, > god > > > will ensure it for u. > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth. > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful > > > esoteric > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe. > > > But, > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are > > > various > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is > a > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have > understood > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that > there > > > are > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of > > > the > > > > list. > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% > 40. com>, > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away > from > > > the > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away > from the > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities > too. > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord > > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > > > > > > Actually > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan > so > > > > total > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree > and > > > > 20 > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 > it > > > > comes > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > > > > > > represetns > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and > nakshatra > > > > are > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > > > > chanting a > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One > who > > > > has > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is > brahmagyani he > > > > is > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, babu mon > > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > > > > recomended > > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > > > someone > > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 3, 2007 Dear Sir, Thank you. Regards, Mona litsol <mishra.lalit wrote: vedic astrology " litsol " <mishra.lalit Fri, 03 Aug 2007 13:08:47 -0000 [vedic astrology] Re: regarding 108 Mona Ji, As per me and what i saw in my life, u r going in right direction. this is the way one has to move on. count to countless. Most people derive their faith from what they hear or said, better way to have faith is to experiment and realize. Have u faced any bad result on account of ur's not counting propely. See, i have chanted mantra mainly for Maa Durga, but in June, Lord Ram was standing by my headside, I saw him, while i got up in the morning, and thought to read Times of India. I have to say this to you, It happened without counting and without invoking lord Rama. Who knows how they blesses you. And if it can happen to me, it can happen to any one, this is the purpose of sharing, otherwise, i can be declared mad easily by those who have not experienced. Panditji will tell u what is there in shastras. regards, Lalit. vedic astrology , Mona <due0803 wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > I just have a question on the japa count. I have a habit of saying 'RAM' pretty much all the time. Sometimes I feel that I am saying even while sleeping, most of the times it just keeps going on involuntarily. However, I do not keep a count of how many times I am reciting the name. I also used to write RAM in books, I don't remember how many I have written. Am I doing something wrong by not counting? Is it always necessary to count any sloka or Lord's name? I'd really appreciate your answer. > Regards, > Mona > > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote: vedic- astrology > " dakshinastrologer " <dakshinastrologer > Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:22:13 -0000 > [vedic astrology] Re: regarding 108 > > Dear Shri. Srinivasamurthy: > > Actually the japa maala is not merely an initial stage tool. It has > esoteric values far beyond our comprehension. Otherwise, why would > great siddha purushaas, saints like Aadi Shankaraachaarya, Shri > Raaghavendra, etc. have used the japa maala? > > Let us not confuse devotion and mantrik procedures here at all. A > pure bhakta almost never chants Moola mantraas except the naama japam > of his Ishta Devataa. > > Regarding the counts, even Satguru Thyaagaraajaa was advised to > perform Raama Naama japam for certain count by no less a personage > than Sage Naarada in disguise, and the Satguru reached such an > exalted spiritual status only after he finished the count of japam. > > It is like, you have to give me 5000000 rupees, if you say that you > will give me whatever you can with devotion, will it suffice to me? > Likewise, when the debt that we incur to the sages by using their > teachings and mantras can be paid back only after we finish certain > initial counts on the mantras with proper procedures. This process > is called Purascharanaa. After this, the mantra become " Swaadeena " > to you. So, you can do what you want with that. Just a single chant > of the mantra will give manifest results. > > Lord Hanumaan did not keep on chanting Raama naama japam for 100 > years to cross Sri Lanka. It was a single Leap of Faith with the > chant " Jai Shri Raam " . But, can we say that we are THAT level of > devotion? Concepts like " advanced practitioners do not need that " are > o.k. in truth, but in reality they will rather mislead the > aspirants. We are all egoistic. So, after some initial saadhanaas, > we will tend to assume " I have reached this level; so it is not > necessary for me " ....while in reality, we may not be qualified for > such exalted status that warrants exemption of rituals. > > So, it is better to err on the conservative side.....by following > rituals and practises as ordained by sages and traditions instead of > diluting them to fit our theoretical perspectives. > > A SPIRITUALLY ADVANCED PRACTITIONER WILL NOT LOSE ANYTHING BY > FOLLOWING THESE RITUALS....IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER ONE FOLLOWS > THESE PERCEPTS OR NOT AT THAT LEVEL.....THEIR SPIRITUALITY WILL NOT > COME DOWN BY THESE! BY AN INITIAL STAGE SAADHAKAA WHO ASSUMES > WRONGLY THAT HIS SYSTEM IS ALREADY TUNED TO THE MANTRAS WILL FIND > THAT THE PRACTICE WILL SLIP OUT OF HIS HABITS GRADUALLY WITHOUT THESE > RITUALS AND COUNTERCHECKS LIKE JAPA MAALA, JAPA COUNT, POOJA, ETC. > MAN IS INNATELY LAZY AND EGOISTIC, AND OUR MIND WILL ALWAYS FIND > EXCUSES FOR OUR ACTIONS. > > Following the precepts of sages verbatim to the extent possible is in > itself a tapasya! > > This post is just a suggestion to all spiritual aspirants. Those who > want to follow this may follow; others may kindly ignore this. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology , srinivasa murthy adavi > <asmp2k02@> wrote: > > > > Respected Learned Members, > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the goal as > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the Mantra > as Base. > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one develops the > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will automatically > take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc). > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for 2 or 3 > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at the same > time every day without help of alarm. > > > > With due Respects > > > > smadavi > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@: > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is > against > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > email: rafal@ > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop > counting > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then > > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part > is > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be, > god > > > will ensure it for u. > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth. > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful > > > esoteric > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe. > > > But, > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are > > > various > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is > a > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have > understood > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that > there > > > are > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of > > > the > > > > list. > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% > 40>, > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away > from > > > the > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away > from the > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities > too. > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord > > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology%40>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > > > > > > Actually > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan > so > > > > total > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree > and > > > > 20 > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 > it > > > > comes > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > > > > > > represetns > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and > nakshatra > > > > are > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > > > > chanting a > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One > who > > > > has > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is > brahmagyani he > > > > is > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology%40>, babu mon > > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > > > > recomended > > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > > > someone > > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 3, 2007 Dear Sir, Thank you for the clarification. Regards, Mona Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: *hraum namah adityaya* Dear Mona, Its allright, Vija doesnt require so much regulations as standart mantras. Please continue. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com Rohinaa ashram: http://www.rohinaa.fora.pl Mona napisa?(a): > > Dear Sir, > > I just have a question on the japa count. I have a habit of saying > 'RAM' pretty much all the time. Sometimes I feel that I am saying even > while sleeping, most of the times it just keeps going on > involuntarily. However, I do not keep a count of how many times I am > reciting the name. I also used to write RAM in books, I don't remember > how many I have written. Am I doing something wrong by not counting? > Is it always necessary to count any sloka or Lord's name? I'd really > appreciate your answer. > Regards, > Mona > > dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer@ .co. in > <dakshinastrologer%40.co.in>> wrote: vedic astrology@ > . com <vedic astrology%40> > " dakshinastrologer " <dakshinastrologer@ .co. in > <dakshinastrologer%40.co.in>> > Fri, 27 Jul 2007 07:22:13 -0000 > [vedic astrology] Re: regarding 108 > > Dear Shri. Srinivasamurthy: > > Actually the japa maala is not merely an initial stage tool. It has > esoteric values far beyond our comprehension. Otherwise, why would > great siddha purushaas, saints like Aadi Shankaraachaarya, Shri > Raaghavendra, etc. have used the japa maala? > > Let us not confuse devotion and mantrik procedures here at all. A > pure bhakta almost never chants Moola mantraas except the naama japam > of his Ishta Devataa. > > Regarding the counts, even Satguru Thyaagaraajaa was advised to > perform Raama Naama japam for certain count by no less a personage > than Sage Naarada in disguise, and the Satguru reached such an > exalted spiritual status only after he finished the count of japam. > > It is like, you have to give me 5000000 rupees, if you say that you > will give me whatever you can with devotion, will it suffice to me? > Likewise, when the debt that we incur to the sages by using their > teachings and mantras can be paid back only after we finish certain > initial counts on the mantras with proper procedures. This process > is called Purascharanaa. After this, the mantra become " Swaadeena " > to you. So, you can do what you want with that. Just a single chant > of the mantra will give manifest results. > > Lord Hanumaan did not keep on chanting Raama naama japam for 100 > years to cross Sri Lanka. It was a single Leap of Faith with the > chant " Jai Shri Raam " . But, can we say that we are THAT level of > devotion? Concepts like " advanced practitioners do not need that " are > o.k. in truth, but in reality they will rather mislead the > aspirants. We are all egoistic. So, after some initial saadhanaas, > we will tend to assume " I have reached this level; so it is not > necessary for me " ....while in reality, we may not be qualified for > such exalted status that warrants exemption of rituals. > > So, it is better to err on the conservative side.....by following > rituals and practises as ordained by sages and traditions instead of > diluting them to fit our theoretical perspectives. > > A SPIRITUALLY ADVANCED PRACTITIONER WILL NOT LOSE ANYTHING BY > FOLLOWING THESE RITUALS....IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER ONE FOLLOWS > THESE PERCEPTS OR NOT AT THAT LEVEL.....THEIR SPIRITUALITY WILL NOT > COME DOWN BY THESE! BY AN INITIAL STAGE SAADHAKAA WHO ASSUMES > WRONGLY THAT HIS SYSTEM IS ALREADY TUNED TO THE MANTRAS WILL FIND > THAT THE PRACTICE WILL SLIP OUT OF HIS HABITS GRADUALLY WITHOUT THESE > RITUALS AND COUNTERCHECKS LIKE JAPA MAALA, JAPA COUNT, POOJA, ETC. > MAN IS INNATELY LAZY AND EGOISTIC, AND OUR MIND WILL ALWAYS FIND > EXCUSES FOR OUR ACTIONS. > > Following the precepts of sages verbatim to the extent possible is in > itself a tapasya! > > This post is just a suggestion to all spiritual aspirants. Those who > want to follow this may follow; others may kindly ignore this. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, srinivasa murthy adavi > <asmp2k02@.. .> wrote: > > > > Respected Learned Members, > > > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the goal as > development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the Mantra > as Base. > > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one develops the > habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will automatically > take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc). > > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for 2 or 3 > days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at the same > time every day without help of alarm. > > > > With due Respects > > > > smadavi > > > > > > Quoting starsuponme@ ...: > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is > against > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > email: rafal > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop > counting > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then > > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part > is > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be, > god > > > will ensure it for u. > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth. > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful > > > esoteric > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe. > > > But, > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are > > > various > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is > a > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have > understood > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that > there > > > are > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of > > > the > > > > list. > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% > 40. com>, > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away > from > > > the > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away > from the > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities > too. > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord > > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > > > > > > Actually > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan > so > > > > total > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree > and > > > > 20 > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 > it > > > > comes > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > > > > > > represetns > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and > nakshatra > > > > are > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > > > > chanting a > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One > who > > > > has > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is > brahmagyani he > > > > is > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, babu mon > > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > > > > recomended > > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > > > someone > > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
