Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2007 Namaste, It may be a silly matter for all of you. I want to know what is the reason that some remedies recomended for 108 times. I dont know any thing about astrology. I hope you may pleased to provide a reply thanks, Babu Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2007 Dear Babu God Bless U 9 planets and 12 Rashi's which makes 12 X 9 =108 that is the base which divide the each rashi into degrees as 3.20, 6.40, 10, 13.20, 16.40, 20, 23.20, 26.40, 30. A Forsight Prince of India Pram Chopra babu mon <muthappan111 vedic astrology Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:16:19 PM [vedic astrology] regarding 108 Namaste, It may be a silly matter for all of you. I want to know what is the reason that some remedies recomended for 108 times. I dont know any thing about astrology. I hope you may pleased to provide a reply thanks, Babu ------------ --------- --------- --- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2007 Dear Member: I think you are mostly referring to the ashtottara sada archanaas or japa counts.....Because generally not just 108, but other numbers like 32, 54, 64, 72, 108, 254, 324, 336, 504, 1008, or even 100008 are also sometimes prescribed for japa depending on the Deity concerned. 108 is a number that is generally prescribed because it is ample enough to produce the desired subtle changes that we seek and also concise enough as it will not too much time (like say 1008 times!). Other than this, the no. 108 itself has a great occult significance. It denotes accomplishment of tasks as per one's desires, and Blessing of immense Will Power according to ancient Tantrik shastras dealing with this (there are ancient numerological yantras prescribed by siddha tradition - the most famous one being Bhuavanai Kakkisham by Thirumoolar). In India,some wonderful traditions have been just incorporated in to our everyday life and by following our customs, we will be automatically doing things that have wonderful positive occult significance even without consciously realizing them! This 108 is an example of this phenomenon. Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology , babu mon <muthappan111 wrote: > > Namaste, > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies recomended for 108 times. > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > thanks, > > Babu > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. > Answers - Check it out. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2007 Dear Babu, It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. Actually there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan so total charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree and 20 minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 it comes out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle represetns whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and nakshatra are between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So chanting a Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One who has visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is brahmagyani he is entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. sushil dikshit vedic astrology , babu mon <muthappan111 wrote: > > Namaste, > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies recomended for 108 times. > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > thanks, > > Babu > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. > Answers - Check it out. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2007 Dear Shri. Sushil: It is a wonderful answer you have given. Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology , " sushil.dikshit " <sushil.dikshit wrote: > > Dear Babu, > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. Actually > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan so total > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree and 20 > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 it comes > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle represetns > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and nakshatra are > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So chanting a > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One who has > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is brahmagyani he is > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > sushil dikshit > > > vedic astrology , babu mon <muthappan111@> > wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies recomended > for 108 times. > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > thanks, > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone > who knows. > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2007 Respected Guru Ji, Charan Sparsh Today I am very lucky to read lines from a great person like you. I will always remember your post and the date today. with regards sushil dikshit vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " <dakshinastrologer wrote: > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology , " sushil.dikshit " > <sushil.dikshit@> wrote: > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > Actually > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan so total > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree and 20 > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 it comes > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > represetns > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and nakshatra are > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So chanting a > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One who has > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is brahmagyani he is > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > vedic astrology , babu mon <muthappan111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies recomended > > for 108 times. > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone > > who knows. > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 25, 2007 In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away from the earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away from the earth, 108 times its diameter. Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities too. Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord Narayana. jayasree vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " <dakshinastrologer wrote: > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology , " sushil.dikshit " > <sushil.dikshit@> wrote: > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > Actually > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan so total > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree and 20 > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 it comes > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > represetns > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and nakshatra are > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So chanting a > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One who has > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is brahmagyani he is > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > vedic astrology , babu mon <muthappan111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies recomended > > for 108 times. > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone > > who knows. > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2007 Dear Ms. Jayashree: I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful esoteric explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe. But, not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are various other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is a powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have understood the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that there are other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of the list. My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.vedic- astrology , " jayasartn " <jayasartn wrote: > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away from the > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away from the > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities too. > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord Narayana. > > jayasree > > > vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > vedic astrology , " sushil.dikshit " > > <sushil.dikshit@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > > Actually > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan so total > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree and 20 > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 it comes > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > > represetns > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and nakshatra are > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So chanting a > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One who has > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is brahmagyani he is > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , babu mon <muthappan111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies recomended > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone > > > who knows. > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2007 Respected Guruji, Kindly click the following link by the renowned scientist Shri Subhash Kak on the scientist's notion of 'symphony of numbers', that you have mentioned. http://subhash-kak.sulekha.com/blog/post/2001/11/shri-108-and-other-mysteries.ht\ m The following is excerpted from that article which might interest astrologers of this group. >>>>Three facts that any book on astronomy will verify: * Distance between earth and sun = 108 times sun-diameter, * Distance between earth and moon = 108 times moon-diameter, and most remarkably, * Diameter of the sun = 108 times the earth diameter. That the Indians knew of the first two shouldn't surprise, because it can be calculated by anyone without the need for any instruments. Take a pole, mark its height, and then remove it to a place 108 times its height. The pole will look exactly of the same angular size as the moon or the sun. I don't believe Indians knew the third fact, that the sun is 108 times as large as the earth, because there is no evidence of that in the old astronomy manuals. If they did, it would be as amazing a coincidence as the knowledge of the correct speed of light before modern measurements. Indian thought takes the outer cosmology to be mirrored in the inner cosmology of the human. Therefore, the number 108 is also taken to represent the 'distance' from the body of the devotee to the God within. The chain of 108 'links' is held together by 107 joints, which is the number of marmas, or weak spots, of the body in Ayurveda. We can understand that the 108 beads of the rosary (japamala) must map the steps between the body and the inner sun. The devotee, while saying beads, is making a symbolic journey from the physical body to the heavens. The number 108 joined to the name is merely a boast that one is a spiritual adept, a master of the journey of 108 steps through the intermediate regions of danger. The other number 1,008 has a slightly different basis. Early Indian astronomy divides the kalpa -- the total period within a creation, the day of Brahma, which is part of an infinite cycle -- into 1,008 yugas. The use of this number as a title is to boast that one knows the mystery of time from creation to annihilation. The number 108 appears in many settings in the Indian tradition. The Natya Shastra of Bharata speaks of the 108 karanas -- combined movements of hand and feet -- of dance. A few months ago in Chennai, Padma Subramaniam, the great dancer and dance theorist, told me a story of discovery connected with this number. In the 1960s, Padmaji had come to the realization that the four hands of the Shiva figures in Thanjavur represented animation. Then, in 1980, Sri Chandrasekharendra Saraswati Swamigal, the Shankaracharya of the Kanchi Peetham -- who was to pass away at the age of 100, fourteen years later -- asked her to design a fresh set of karana figures for the panels of the new Uttara Chidambaram Nataraja Mandir in Satara, Maharashtra, based on the Natya Shastra descriptions. Each panel had to show Shiva and Parvati. She first had to decide whether to use Shiva with four arms as at Thanjavur or Shiva with two arms as at Kumbakonam, together with Parvati with two arms as at Chidambaram. She took pictures for advice to the Swamiji, but he said there was to be no copying of existing images. Ultimately, she chose four arms for Shiva and two for Parvati, and created the 108 new designs. Later in the 1990s, Padmaji was approached by Alessandra Iyer, an Italian scholar, who wished to study the influence of the Natya Shastra on the Far East. They discovered that the Satara temple panels of Padmaji were similar in form to the 53 surviving dance panels of the 9th century Prambanam temple of Java, Indonesia, that was largely destroyed by earthquake in the 15th century. This established that Padmaji's choices were right and her understanding of the four-armed poses as frozen movements was correct. Since her reconstruction were based on brief description, it also suggests that the karanas are archetypes of motion. The idea of archetypes brings me to Wolfgang Pauli and Carl Jung who, in a book they wrote in 1952 called The Interpretation of Nature and the Psyche, argued that our discoveries are a consequence of the preexisting patterns in our mind. Pauli wrote once, " I prefer to say that mind and matter are governed by common, neutral ordering principles 'that are not in themselves determinable'. " The idea of archetype, borrowed by Jung from Yoga, makes it possible for us to see how different people can come to the same discovery independently. Parenthetically, Jung took the idea of divinity as male-female (Harihara), suggesting that each man had a female within (anima), and each woman had a male within (animus). In his contribution to the book, Pauli indicated how the great Kepler had come by his three laws of planetary motion upon the use of Fibonacci sequences. From there the next step was the Newtonian synthesis that viewed the universe as a machine. But now we have come full circle in our realization that if the universe is a machine, it is one where the components are all connected together -- it is a holistic machine. Reading: To get an overview of the astronomy and cosmology of the ancient world, see Subhash Kak, The Astronomical Code of the Rgveda. Munshiram, 2000. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " <dakshinastrologer wrote: > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful esoteric > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe. But, > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are various > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is a > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have understood > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that there are > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of the > list. > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.vedic- > astrology , " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away from the > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away from the > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities too. > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord > Narayana. > > > > jayasree > > > > > > vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > vedic astrology , " sushil.dikshit " > > > <sushil.dikshit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > > > Actually > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan so > total > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree and > 20 > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 it > comes > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > > > represetns > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and nakshatra > are > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > chanting a > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One who > has > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is brahmagyani he > is > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , babu mon > <muthappan111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > recomended > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > someone > > > > who knows. > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2007 Dear All, Please note Lord Natarajar Cosmic Damce is 108 karnam; The Great Vishnu Sahasranama hiddenly have 108 nakshatra pada Meenaakshi Sundaram Herbal and Metaphysical Researcher jayasartn <jayasartn wrote: In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away from the earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away from the earth, 108 times its diameter. Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities too. Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord Narayana. jayasree vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " <dakshinastrologer wrote: > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology , " sushil.dikshit " > <sushil.dikshit@> wrote: > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > Actually > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan so total > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree and 20 > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 it comes > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > represetns > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and nakshatra are > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So chanting a > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One who has > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is brahmagyani he is > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > vedic astrology , babu mon <muthappan111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies recomended > > for 108 times. > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone > > who knows. > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2007 Dear Mr. Jayashri, A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop counting mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then frustration if u dont get desired results. leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part is to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be, god will ensure it for u. sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth. So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. regards, Lalit. vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " <dakshinastrologer wrote: > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful esoteric > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe. But, > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are various > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is a > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have understood > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that there are > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of the > list. > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.vedic- > astrology , " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away from the > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away from the > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities too. > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord > Narayana. > > > > jayasree > > > > > > vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > vedic astrology , " sushil.dikshit " > > > <sushil.dikshit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > > > Actually > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan so > total > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree and > 20 > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 it > comes > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > > > represetns > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and nakshatra > are > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > chanting a > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One who > has > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is brahmagyani he > is > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , babu mon > <muthappan111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > recomended > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > someone > > > > who knows. > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2007 *hraum namah adityaya* Dear Litsol, Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is against Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com litsol napisa?(a): > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop counting > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part is > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be, god > will ensure it for u. > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth. > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. > > regards, > Lalit. > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful > esoteric > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe. > But, > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are > various > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is a > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have understood > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that there > are > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of > the > > list. > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%40>, > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away from > the > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away from the > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities too. > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord > > Narayana. > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > > > > Actually > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan so > > total > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree and > > 20 > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 it > > comes > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > > > > represetns > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and nakshatra > > are > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > > chanting a > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One who > > has > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is brahmagyani he > > is > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, babu mon > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > > recomended > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > someone > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2007 Dear Rafalji: Aptly said. It has been clearly stated in works like " Mantraarnavam " that the following are the conditions which render a japa ineffective: 1) Chanting without meditating on the Deity initially. 2) Chanting without positive motivation and faith. 3) Chanting with a distracted frame of mind and interrupting the chant with speeches, and other mundane actions unnecessarily. 4) Yawning, stretching the legs, and showing disrespectful body- language while chanting. 5) CHANTING WITHOUT COUNTING OR SANKALPAM (at least a sankalpam of Deva preeti or Sarva Jana sukham should be done) Though naama japams can be chanted throughout the day by Devotees who are so attached to their Devataas, the moola mantraas should be essentially counted with the prescribed japa maalas or at least with hasta rekhas to be effective as remedies. Chanting without counting is allowed only for tapasviis who are bound by the goal of Manifestation of the Deity; those great souls will never cease to do the japam till their goal of Divine Vision is attained, and they foresake even normal human routines in that process. We mundane creatures with our egos and shortcomings should essentially set aside proper timings for japam and count it as prescribed in the scriptures. And I am yet to come across a real devotee who got egoistic or proud because he counts his/ her japams! The more a person chants, the more humble one becomes in this respect.....People who have completed lakh repetitions will feel humbled that they have very little time to complete 1 crore japam and so on! There are siddha purushaas who have got Divine Visions and still continue their japam chanting. Just as water washes away our impurities, japam removes karmic negativities. It is better we follow scriptural injunctions in this regard rather than trying to comment on those matters as per our taste! I request all members to please exercise discretion in this regard. We should not take everything easy. God can be approached with Love; but that does not mean we can discard all traditions and usages! Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > Dear Litsol, > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is against > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop counting > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part is > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be, god > > will ensure it for u. > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth. > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful > > esoteric > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe. > > But, > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are > > various > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is a > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have understood > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that there > > are > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of > > the > > > list. > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% 40>, > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away from > > the > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away from the > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities too. > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > > > > > Actually > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan so > > > total > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree and > > > 20 > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 it > > > comes > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > > > > > represetns > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and nakshatra > > > are > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > > > chanting a > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One who > > > has > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is brahmagyani he > > > is > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, babu mon > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > > > recomended > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > > someone > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2007 Rafalji is right. We should do japa on mala and that too not on any kind of mala. Rafalji- you have advised me to do 3 mala chant. Please also, if you have time tell what particular type of mala should be used. This would benefit everybody in this group. I live in the USA and I am not having an organized PUJA ROOM. So I am waiting to actually start the mantra advised by you, properly. bhagavathi vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > Dear Litsol, > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is against > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop counting > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part is > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be, god > > will ensure it for u. > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth. > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful > > esoteric > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe. > > But, > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are > > various > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is a > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have understood > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that there > > are > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of > > the > > > list. > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% 40>, > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away from > > the > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away from the > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities too. > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > > > > > Actually > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan so > > > total > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree and > > > 20 > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 it > > > comes > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > > > > > represetns > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and nakshatra > > > are > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > > > chanting a > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One who > > > has > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is brahmagyani he > > > is > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, babu mon > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > > > recomended > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > > someone > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2007 *hraum namah adityaya* Dear Pandit Dakshinamoorti, Could You please provide sanskrit for those five points? Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com dakshinastrologer napisa?(a): > > Dear Rafalji: > > Aptly said. It has been clearly stated in works like " Mantraarnavam " > that the following are the conditions which render a japa ineffective: > > 1) Chanting without meditating on the Deity initially. > 2) Chanting without positive motivation and faith. > 3) Chanting with a distracted frame of mind and interrupting the > chant with speeches, and other mundane actions unnecessarily. > 4) Yawning, stretching the legs, and showing disrespectful body- > language while chanting. > 5) CHANTING WITHOUT COUNTING OR SANKALPAM (at least a sankalpam of > Deva preeti or Sarva Jana sukham should be done) > > Though naama japams can be chanted throughout the day by Devotees who > are so attached to their Devataas, the moola mantraas should be > essentially counted with the prescribed japa maalas or at least with > hasta rekhas to be effective as remedies. > > Chanting without counting is allowed only for tapasviis who are bound > by the goal of Manifestation of the Deity; those great souls will > never cease to do the japam till their goal of Divine Vision is > attained, and they foresake even normal human routines in that > process. We mundane creatures with our egos and shortcomings should > essentially set aside proper timings for japam and count it as > prescribed in the scriptures. > > And I am yet to come across a real devotee who got egoistic or proud > because he counts his/ her japams! The more a person chants, the > more humble one becomes in this respect.....People who have completed > lakh repetitions will feel humbled that they have very little time to > complete 1 crore japam and so on! There are siddha purushaas who > have got Divine Visions and still continue their japam chanting. > Just as water washes away our impurities, japam removes karmic > negativities. It is better we follow scriptural injunctions in this > regard rather than trying to comment on those matters as per our > taste! I request all members to please exercise discretion in this > regard. We should not take everything easy. God can be approached > with Love; but that does not mean we can discard all traditions and > usages! > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz > <starsuponme wrote: > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is > against > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > email: rafal > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop > counting > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then > > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part > is > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be, > god > > > will ensure it for u. > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth. > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful > > > esoteric > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe. > > > But, > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are > > > various > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is > a > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have > understood > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that > there > > > are > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of > > > the > > > > list. > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% > 40>, > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away > from > > > the > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away > from the > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities > too. > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord > > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology%40>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > > > > > > Actually > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan > so > > > > total > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree > and > > > > 20 > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 > it > > > > comes > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > > > > > > represetns > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and > nakshatra > > > > are > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > > > > chanting a > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One > who > > > > has > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is > brahmagyani he > > > > is > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology%40>, babu mon > > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > > > > recomended > > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > > > someone > > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2007 *hraum namah adityaya* Dear Bhagavathi, Mala type depends on mantra. For Vishnu we chant on Tulsi, Devi - crystal, Shiva-Rudraksha, we also use fingers for some type of mantras. Its all in Puranas (I think Garuda Purana). Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com bhagavathi_hariharan napisa?(a): > > Rafalji is right. We should do japa on mala and that too not on any > kind of mala. Rafalji- you have advised me to do 3 mala chant. Please > also, if you have time tell what particular type of mala should be > used. This would benefit everybody in this group. I live in the USA > and I am not having an organized PUJA ROOM. So I am waiting to > actually start the mantra advised by you, properly. > > bhagavathi > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is > against > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > email: rafal > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop > counting > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then > > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part > is > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be, > god > > > will ensure it for u. > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth. > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit. > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful > > > esoteric > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe. > > > But, > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are > > > various > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is > a > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have > understood > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that > there > > > are > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of > > > the > > > > list. > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% > 40. com>, > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away > from > > > the > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away > from the > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities > too. > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord > > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > > > > > > Actually > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan > so > > > > total > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree > and > > > > 20 > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 > it > > > > comes > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > > > > > > represetns > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and > nakshatra > > > > are > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > > > > chanting a > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One > who > > > > has > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is > brahmagyani he > > > > is > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, babu mon > > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > > > > recomended > > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > > > someone > > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2007 Thank you very much Rafalji that will help me a lot. I thank all the Jyotish Gurus for this excellent astrology discussion bhagavathi vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > Dear Bhagavathi, > > Mala type depends on mantra. For Vishnu we chant on Tulsi, Devi - > crystal, Shiva-Rudraksha, we also use fingers for some type of mantras. > Its all in Puranas (I think Garuda Purana). > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > bhagavathi_hariharan napisa?(a): > > > > Rafalji is right. We should do japa on mala and that too not on any > > kind of mala. Rafalji- you have advised me to do 3 mala chant. Please > > also, if you have time tell what particular type of mala should be > > used. This would benefit everybody in this group. I live in the USA > > and I am not having an organized PUJA ROOM. So I am waiting to > > actually start the mantra advised by you, properly. > > > > bhagavathi > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz > > <starsuponme@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is > > against > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > email: rafal@ > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop > > counting > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part > > is > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be, > > god > > > > will ensure it for u. > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth. > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful > > > > esoteric > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe. > > > > But, > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are > > > > various > > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is > > a > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have > > understood > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that > > there > > > > are > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of > > > > the > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% > > 40. com>, > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away > > from > > > > the > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away > > from the > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities > > too. > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord > > > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > > > > > > > Actually > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan > > so > > > > > total > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree > > and > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 > > it > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > > > > > > > represetns > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and > > nakshatra > > > > > are > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > > > > > chanting a > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One > > who > > > > > has > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is > > brahmagyani he > > > > > is > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, babu mon > > > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > > > > > recomended > > > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2007 Om Namah Shivaya Dear Pt. Dakshinamoorthy, Namaste Very interesting and informative. I saw someone asking Rafal ji for the mala to be used for mantra chanting For shiva mantras - Rudraksha mala is the best For sakthi mantras - Coral mala is the best For vishnu mantras - Spatik or tulsi mala are the best Just my 2 cents..... Rgds Anand dakshinastrologer <dakshinastrologer wrote: Dear Rafalji: Aptly said. It has been clearly stated in works like " Mantraarnavam " that the following are the conditions which render a japa ineffective: 1) Chanting without meditating on the Deity initially. 2) Chanting without positive motivation and faith. 3) Chanting with a distracted frame of mind and interrupting the chant with speeches, and other mundane actions unnecessarily. 4) Yawning, stretching the legs, and showing disrespectful body- language while chanting. 5) CHANTING WITHOUT COUNTING OR SANKALPAM (at least a sankalpam of Deva preeti or Sarva Jana sukham should be done) Though naama japams can be chanted throughout the day by Devotees who are so attached to their Devataas, the moola mantraas should be essentially counted with the prescribed japa maalas or at least with hasta rekhas to be effective as remedies. Chanting without counting is allowed only for tapasviis who are bound by the goal of Manifestation of the Deity; those great souls will never cease to do the japam till their goal of Divine Vision is attained, and they foresake even normal human routines in that process. We mundane creatures with our egos and shortcomings should essentially set aside proper timings for japam and count it as prescribed in the scriptures. And I am yet to come across a real devotee who got egoistic or proud because he counts his/ her japams! The more a person chants, the more humble one becomes in this respect.....People who have completed lakh repetitions will feel humbled that they have very little time to complete 1 crore japam and so on! There are siddha purushaas who have got Divine Visions and still continue their japam chanting. Just as water washes away our impurities, japam removes karmic negativities. It is better we follow scriptural injunctions in this regard rather than trying to comment on those matters as per our taste! I request all members to please exercise discretion in this regard. We should not take everything easy. God can be approached with Love; but that does not mean we can discard all traditions and usages! Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > Dear Litsol, > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is against > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop counting > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part is > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be, god > > will ensure it for u. > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth. > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful > > esoteric > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe. > > But, > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are > > various > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is a > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have understood > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that there > > are > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of > > the > > > list. > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% 40>, > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away from > > the > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away from the > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities too. > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > > > > > Actually > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan so > > > total > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree and > > > 20 > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 it > > > comes > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > > > > > represetns > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and nakshatra > > > are > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > > > chanting a > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One who > > > has > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is brahmagyani he > > > is > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, babu mon > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > > > recomended > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > > someone > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2007 Om Namah Shivaya Dear Lalit ji, Namaste One dont get frustrated if they fail in their sadhana, infact they get more eager to continue with sadhana. The right way to approach is its not a failure but sucess is just getting delayed due to bad karmas. Mantras are the best way to burn the past karmas and to chant a mala is a must. Rgds Anand litsol <mishra.lalit wrote: Dear Mr. Jayashri, A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop counting mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then frustration if u dont get desired results. leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part is to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be, god will ensure it for u. sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth. So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. regards, Lalit. vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " <dakshinastrologer wrote: > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful esoteric > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe. But, > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are various > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is a > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have understood > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that there are > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of the > list. > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > Blessed be. > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.vedic- > astrology , " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away from the > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away from the > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities too. > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord > Narayana. > > > > jayasree > > > > > > vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > vedic astrology , " sushil.dikshit " > > > <sushil.dikshit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > > > Actually > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan so > total > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree and > 20 > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 it > comes > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > > > represetns > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and nakshatra > are > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > chanting a > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One who > has > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is brahmagyani he > is > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , babu mon > <muthappan111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > recomended > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > someone > > > > who knows. > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 26, 2007 Dear Shri. Rafal: In this context, I would like to take the liberty of saying certain other things associated with japa/ dhyaana practice at the end of the post after giving the pertinent slokha you have requested from me..... The slokha that describes the five points that I have mentioned is this.... " vinaa Devataa Dhyaanamscha vinaa Shraddha bhaavenacha vinaa trikarana bavyascha Vinaa Ekaagra bhaavenacha Vinaa sankalpa sankhyecha panchame japa kshaya moole " It essentially says that these 5 are basic things that are at the root of destruction of the effects of a japam. " Vinaa sankalpa sankhye " refers to counting of japams; i.e. if the person does not sit with the sankalpam to finish " x " no. of maalaas " , the japa effects get reduced. Of course, there is a longer list of all these " nirnayaas " - conditions in the Mantra Mahaarnavam. (This verse I have given here is not found in Mantra Mahaarnavam in this form; actually it was taught to me by a great yogi in my initial years of saadhanaa.) BEFORE anyone attempts saadhanaas, these " nirnayaas " are best learnt. Of course, for spiritual aspirants with a vedantic approach and who do not long after results, and for bhaktas of Divinities " akhand " japa of Divine Names is allowed. Of course, here the sankalpam is " O Lord! As Thy Lover and Servant, I hereby begin a akhand japa to secure Thy Grace. Please permit me and make my saadhanaa complete " . In fact, there is the other extreme where Sage Agasthiar says " Manam athu chemmayaanaal manthirangal japikka vendaam " (It means, if your Mind is Perfect, there is no need for chanting mantras!); you know where he says this?.......In a book called " Agasthiar Maantreeka Kaaviyam " - an encyclopedic work on Mantra shaastra of the Siddha traditions! Of course this is for the Highly Advanced Spiritual Aspirant who has got " Advaita Siddhi " . That is why we should never read this works " out of context " . If the 15th chapter is read before the 1st chapter, we will definitely be led astray. Selective reading and digestion can be dangerous in mantra shastra. In the initial stages, it is best to go " step by step " under the careful guidance of a Guru. The argument that now-a-days one cannot get a good Guru is not true at all. If the sishya is deserving, the proper Guru will come in some form or the other to guide the aspirant. Occult things cannot be learnt by " discussions and debates " as if everyone is at the same level....... " Japa siddhi Moolam SatGuru Paadaaravindam " (Perfection in chants lies in the Lotus Feet of a Good Guru). A SadGuru will obviously test the aspirant before imparting spiritual doctrines. An egoistic disciple who questions the very scriptures he intends to learn, and feels that research is needed and higher forms exist obviously does not the bill. Do we test the quality of the school and the level of its best students by checking the syllabus of the Kindergarten Classes? The syllabus will basically be alphabets, and so will one decide that in this school they teach only alphabets but there are much more important things in life, and this school is not o.k.? This unfortunately is the attitude of many newbies in spiritual field now-a-days. Without understanding that they are the Kindergarten and they can progress gradually, they start saying that the school is no good because instead of " Einstein's Theory of Relativity " they are teaching only " A, B,C, D " here! The disciple can test the Guru by subtle means - by observing the Guru's attitude from a distance without commenting on it, by observing the Guru is at peace and happiness with the spiritual rituals he is performing (yes, a real Guru will be happy with Himself and with His Rituals; words cannot explain that Divine Bliss which can only be experienced by noticing a spiritual adept at his pooja!), and whether he " seems " compatible to oneself and one's own spiritual attitudes. There is no question of " abandoning or walking out " of Guru's path once the path is chosen except in rare emergencies. SO ONE SHOULD BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THE SELECTION OF A GURU IN THE INTIAL PERIODS. If a Guru is a false Guru and the disciple is still a true believer of the " Guru Concept " , and hence he is led astray by the false Guru....is it a loss to the disciple?....Maybe yes from a world point of view...but no so from a spiritual point of view.....In this case, the disciple may be put to certain hardships or may suffer exploitation; but ultimately the Grace of Lord will show the way sooner or later, and that disciple will definitely blessed with a Good Satguru in this life, or if karmic factors intervene, in the next life. GETTING STUCK WITH A FALSE GURU IS VERILY ONE'S EVIL KARMA WHERE ONE HAS KNOWINGLY OR UNKNOWINGLY INSULTED AND HURT A PIOUS SPIRITUALIST. Once that karma is extinguished by Guru Sevaa with devotion, definitely one will get a good Guru. GURU SEVA IS AS IMPORTANT AS DEVATAA AARAADHANAA; IN FACT, GURU BHAKTI SHOULD BE CONSIDERED MORE IMPORTANT THAN DEVA BHAKTI. " The Guru, The Devata, and The Mantra " are not different, but they are just different forms of the same Divine Grace. There can be no differentiation between them! Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > Dear Pandit Dakshinamoorti, > > Could You please provide sanskrit for those five points? > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > dakshinastrologer napisa?(a): > > > > Dear Rafalji: > > > > Aptly said. It has been clearly stated in works like " Mantraarnavam " > > that the following are the conditions which render a japa ineffective: > > > > 1) Chanting without meditating on the Deity initially. > > 2) Chanting without positive motivation and faith. > > 3) Chanting with a distracted frame of mind and interrupting the > > chant with speeches, and other mundane actions unnecessarily. > > 4) Yawning, stretching the legs, and showing disrespectful body- > > language while chanting. > > 5) CHANTING WITHOUT COUNTING OR SANKALPAM (at least a sankalpam of > > Deva preeti or Sarva Jana sukham should be done) > > > > Though naama japams can be chanted throughout the day by Devotees who > > are so attached to their Devataas, the moola mantraas should be > > essentially counted with the prescribed japa maalas or at least with > > hasta rekhas to be effective as remedies. > > > > Chanting without counting is allowed only for tapasviis who are bound > > by the goal of Manifestation of the Deity; those great souls will > > never cease to do the japam till their goal of Divine Vision is > > attained, and they foresake even normal human routines in that > > process. We mundane creatures with our egos and shortcomings should > > essentially set aside proper timings for japam and count it as > > prescribed in the scriptures. > > > > And I am yet to come across a real devotee who got egoistic or proud > > because he counts his/ her japams! The more a person chants, the > > more humble one becomes in this respect.....People who have completed > > lakh repetitions will feel humbled that they have very little time to > > complete 1 crore japam and so on! There are siddha purushaas who > > have got Divine Visions and still continue their japam chanting. > > Just as water washes away our impurities, japam removes karmic > > negativities. It is better we follow scriptural injunctions in this > > regard rather than trying to comment on those matters as per our > > taste! I request all members to please exercise discretion in this > > regard. We should not take everything easy. God can be approached > > with Love; but that does not mean we can discard all traditions and > > usages! > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz > > <starsuponme@> wrote: > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is > > against > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > email: rafal@ > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop > > counting > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part > > is > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be, > > god > > > > will ensure it for u. > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth. > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic astrology% 40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful > > > > esoteric > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe. > > > > But, > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are > > > > various > > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is > > a > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have > > understood > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that > > there > > > > are > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of > > > > the > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% > > 40>, > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away > > from > > > > the > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away > > from the > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities > > too. > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord > > > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic astrology% 40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic astrology%40>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > > > > > > > Actually > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan > > so > > > > > total > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree > > and > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 > > it > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > > > > > > > represetns > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and > > nakshatra > > > > > are > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > > > > > chanting a > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One > > who > > > > > has > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is > > brahmagyani he > > > > > is > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic astrology%40>, babu mon > > > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > > > > > recomended > > > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 27, 2007 Respected Learned Members, Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the goal as development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the Mantra as Base. In the initial stage only you need the count;as one develops the habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will automatically take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc). It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for 2 or 3 days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at the same time every day without help of alarm. With due Respects smadavi Quoting starsuponme: > *hraum namah adityaya* Dear Litsol, Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is against Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com litsol napisa?(a): > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop counting > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part is > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be, god > will ensure it for u. > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth. > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. > > regards, > Lalit. > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful > esoteric > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe. > But, > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are > various > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is a > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have understood > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that there > are > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of > the > > list. > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology%40>, > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away from > the > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away from the > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities too. > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord > > Narayana. > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > > > > Actually > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan so > > total > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree and > > 20 > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 it > > comes > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > > > > represetns > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and nakshatra > > are > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > > chanting a > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One who > > has > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is brahmagyani he > > is > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, babu mon > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > > recomended > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. 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Guest guest Report post Posted July 27, 2007 Dear Shri. Srinivasamurthy: Actually the japa maala is not merely an initial stage tool. It has esoteric values far beyond our comprehension. Otherwise, why would great siddha purushaas, saints like Aadi Shankaraachaarya, Shri Raaghavendra, etc. have used the japa maala? Let us not confuse devotion and mantrik procedures here at all. A pure bhakta almost never chants Moola mantraas except the naama japam of his Ishta Devataa. Regarding the counts, even Satguru Thyaagaraajaa was advised to perform Raama Naama japam for certain count by no less a personage than Sage Naarada in disguise, and the Satguru reached such an exalted spiritual status only after he finished the count of japam. It is like, you have to give me 5000000 rupees, if you say that you will give me whatever you can with devotion, will it suffice to me? Likewise, when the debt that we incur to the sages by using their teachings and mantras can be paid back only after we finish certain initial counts on the mantras with proper procedures. This process is called Purascharanaa. After this, the mantra become " Swaadeena " to you. So, you can do what you want with that. Just a single chant of the mantra will give manifest results. Lord Hanumaan did not keep on chanting Raama naama japam for 100 years to cross Sri Lanka. It was a single Leap of Faith with the chant " Jai Shri Raam " . But, can we say that we are THAT level of devotion? Concepts like " advanced practitioners do not need that " are o.k. in truth, but in reality they will rather mislead the aspirants. We are all egoistic. So, after some initial saadhanaas, we will tend to assume " I have reached this level; so it is not necessary for me " ....while in reality, we may not be qualified for such exalted status that warrants exemption of rituals. So, it is better to err on the conservative side.....by following rituals and practises as ordained by sages and traditions instead of diluting them to fit our theoretical perspectives. A SPIRITUALLY ADVANCED PRACTITIONER WILL NOT LOSE ANYTHING BY FOLLOWING THESE RITUALS....IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER ONE FOLLOWS THESE PERCEPTS OR NOT AT THAT LEVEL.....THEIR SPIRITUALITY WILL NOT COME DOWN BY THESE! BY AN INITIAL STAGE SAADHAKAA WHO ASSUMES WRONGLY THAT HIS SYSTEM IS ALREADY TUNED TO THE MANTRAS WILL FIND THAT THE PRACTICE WILL SLIP OUT OF HIS HABITS GRADUALLY WITHOUT THESE RITUALS AND COUNTERCHECKS LIKE JAPA MAALA, JAPA COUNT, POOJA, ETC. MAN IS INNATELY LAZY AND EGOISTIC, AND OUR MIND WILL ALWAYS FIND EXCUSES FOR OUR ACTIONS. Following the precepts of sages verbatim to the extent possible is in itself a tapasya! This post is just a suggestion to all spiritual aspirants. Those who want to follow this may follow; others may kindly ignore this. Blessed be. Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic astrology , srinivasa murthy adavi <asmp2k02 wrote: > > Respected Learned Members, > > Both views may be correct when the views have/or with the goal as development of Love/Devotion towards adhistana Devatha of the Mantra as Base. > In the initial stage only you need the count;as one develops the habit the biological tuning of the intellect/body will automatically take care of the practice(without count-help of malas etc). > It's like if with the help of Alarm clock if we wake up for 2 or 3 days at some appointed hour,then automatically we wakeup at the same time every day without help of alarm. > > With due Respects > > smadavi > > > Quoting starsuponme: > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > Dear Litsol, > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is against > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop counting > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part is > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be, god > > will ensure it for u. > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth. > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful > > esoteric > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe. > > But, > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are > > various > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is a > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have understood > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that there > > are > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of > > the > > > list. > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% 40>, > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away from > > the > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away from the > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities too. > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > > > > > Actually > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan so > > > total > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree and > > > 20 > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 it > > > comes > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > > > > > represetns > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and nakshatra > > > are > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > > > chanting a > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One who > > > has > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is brahmagyani he > > > is > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, babu mon > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > > > recomended > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. 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Guest guest Report post Posted July 27, 2007 Dear Anand Ji, That's why i said, the fixed counting figure given in several texts may or may not applicable to all individuals, reason, every one has his balance of krama, so, what to count ? When ur mantra touches the point it has to awaken u, it will do,it does !! I dont know how much mantra chanting u have done, I have seen my father, he did chanting all his life, very strictly according to shastraas, but didn't get things he should get. I think he w'd have chanted more that 50 - 60 crores of mantras as of now. i remember during the navaratris he w'd do japa for 5-6 hours in one sitting, he had a sphatik mala, a rudrakschh mala, all the steps he w'd follow right from viniyog to kschhama parathana. when he didn't get vision of god and other objectives he had, he developed a kind of disinterest. I thoght what is the problem with him, same thing i saw in hundreds of the people's life. frustration comes, it's very practical, it came even in the life of Swami Vivekananda or lord Buddha. I also went under this period of frustration. however, for me this was a very small period, just 4-5 yrs. After those initial days, i never counted mantras, never cared if i have or i dont have a mala with me or not. Do u know chanting mantra in mind is said to be of superior type, i practised this, when in the bus i was travelling to my office, my mantra chanting used to be carrried out. And despite i mainly chanted mantra for my mother god, so many dieties, saints and gods either in physical form or in astral form appeared before me. I have seen almost all of them. The purpose of my writing is to share my personal experience. regards, Lalit. vedic astrology , Anand Ravi <anandravi2004 wrote: > > Om Namah Shivaya > > Dear Lalit ji, Namaste > > One dont get frustrated if they fail in their sadhana, infact they get more eager to continue with sadhana. The right way to approach is its not a failure but sucess is just getting > delayed due to bad karmas. Mantras are the best way to burn the past karmas and to chant a mala is a must. > > Rgds > Anand > > litsol mishra.lalit wrote: > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop counting > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part is > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be, god > will ensure it for u. > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth. > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. > > regards, > Lalit. > > vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " > dakshinastrologer@ wrote: > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful > esoteric > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe. > But, > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are > various > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is a > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have understood > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that there > are > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of > the > > list. > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI.vedic- > > astrology , " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away from > the > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away from the > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities too. > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord > > Narayana. > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " dakshinastrologer " > > > <dakshinastrologer@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , " sushil.dikshit " > > > > <sushil.dikshit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > > > > Actually > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan so > > total > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree and > > 20 > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 it > > comes > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > > > > represetns > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and nakshatra > > are > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > > chanting a > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One who > > has > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is brahmagyani he > > is > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , babu mon > > <muthappan111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > > recomended > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > someone > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 27, 2007 Dear Rafal, I m happy to see ur's interest in mantra chanting, u look genius in astrology and there is much to learn from u. But u dont seem to know mantra principles completely, quite possible. There are 3 types of mantra chanting, out of these three, manasik (chanting in mind) is said to be the best, Upansu Japaa is second best and Vachaa is the third in the catagory. Last two Jaapa type needs japaa mala of 108 beeds, Manasik Japaa doesnt need any mala. same way there are various types of mantras. mantras like " So-ham " doesn't need mala to japaa. And for any mantra, a stage comes if u continue with it, u need not do efforts for mantra jaap, mantraa jaap begins itself, it echoes itself within you, first let it happen to you. once it happens, u will ralize inner bliss and closeness to God. One Name of God is enough, Rafal. regards, Lalit. vedic astrology , Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme wrote: > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > Dear Pandit Dakshinamoorti, > > Could You please provide sanskrit for those five points? > > > Regards, > Rafal Gendarz > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > email: rafal > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > dakshinastrologer napisa?(a): > > > > Dear Rafalji: > > > > Aptly said. It has been clearly stated in works like " Mantraarnavam " > > that the following are the conditions which render a japa ineffective: > > > > 1) Chanting without meditating on the Deity initially. > > 2) Chanting without positive motivation and faith. > > 3) Chanting with a distracted frame of mind and interrupting the > > chant with speeches, and other mundane actions unnecessarily. > > 4) Yawning, stretching the legs, and showing disrespectful body- > > language while chanting. > > 5) CHANTING WITHOUT COUNTING OR SANKALPAM (at least a sankalpam of > > Deva preeti or Sarva Jana sukham should be done) > > > > Though naama japams can be chanted throughout the day by Devotees who > > are so attached to their Devataas, the moola mantraas should be > > essentially counted with the prescribed japa maalas or at least with > > hasta rekhas to be effective as remedies. > > > > Chanting without counting is allowed only for tapasviis who are bound > > by the goal of Manifestation of the Deity; those great souls will > > never cease to do the japam till their goal of Divine Vision is > > attained, and they foresake even normal human routines in that > > process. We mundane creatures with our egos and shortcomings should > > essentially set aside proper timings for japam and count it as > > prescribed in the scriptures. > > > > And I am yet to come across a real devotee who got egoistic or proud > > because he counts his/ her japams! The more a person chants, the > > more humble one becomes in this respect.....People who have completed > > lakh repetitions will feel humbled that they have very little time to > > complete 1 crore japam and so on! There are siddha purushaas who > > have got Divine Visions and still continue their japam chanting. > > Just as water washes away our impurities, japam removes karmic > > negativities. It is better we follow scriptural injunctions in this > > regard rather than trying to comment on those matters as per our > > taste! I request all members to please exercise discretion in this > > regard. We should not take everything easy. God can be approached > > with Love; but that does not mean we can discard all traditions and > > usages! > > > > Blessed be. > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz > > starsuponme@ wrote: > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is > > against > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > email: rafal@ > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop > > counting > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur part > > is > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be, > > god > > > > will ensure it for u. > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth. > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful > > > > esoteric > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your wonderful > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the Universe. > > > > But, > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are > > > > various > > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 is > > a > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have > > understood > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that > > there > > > > are > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information of > > > > the > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% > > 40>, > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away > > from > > > > the > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away > > from the > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities > > too. > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of Lord > > > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic astrology%40>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic astrology%40>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good question. > > > > > > > Actually > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan > > so > > > > > total > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 degree > > and > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to 108 > > it > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This cycle > > > > > > > represetns > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and > > nakshatra > > > > > are > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > > > > > chanting a > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One > > who > > > > > has > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is > > brahmagyani he > > > > > is > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > <vedic astrology%40>, babu mon > > > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > > > > > recomended > > > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 27, 2007 *hraum namah adityaya* Dear Litsol, Yes, but we must see our level also. Regards, Rafal Gendarz Sri Jagannath Center Guru email: rafal Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa.com litsol napisa?(a): > > > Dear Rafal, > > I m happy to see ur's interest in mantra chanting, u look genius in > astrology and there is much to learn from u. > > But u dont seem to know mantra principles completely, quite possible. > > There are 3 types of mantra chanting, out of these three, manasik > (chanting in mind) is said to be the best, Upansu Japaa is second best > and Vachaa is the third in the catagory. > > Last two Jaapa type needs japaa mala of 108 beeds, Manasik Japaa doesnt > need any mala. > > same way there are various types of mantras. mantras like " So-ham " > doesn't need mala to japaa. > > And for any mantra, a stage comes if u continue with it, u need not do > efforts for mantra jaap, mantraa jaap begins itself, it echoes itself > within you, first let it happen to you. once it happens, u will ralize > inner bliss and closeness to God. > > One Name of God is enough, Rafal. > > regards, > Lalit. > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40>, Rafal Gendarz > <starsuponme@ ...> > wrote: > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > Dear Pandit Dakshinamoorti, > > > > Could You please provide sanskrit for those five points? > > > > > > Regards, > > Rafal Gendarz > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > email: rafal > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > dakshinastrologer napisa?(a): > > > > > > Dear Rafalji: > > > > > > Aptly said. It has been clearly stated in works like " Mantraarnavam " > > > that the following are the conditions which render a japa > ineffective: > > > > > > 1) Chanting without meditating on the Deity initially. > > > 2) Chanting without positive motivation and faith. > > > 3) Chanting with a distracted frame of mind and interrupting the > > > chant with speeches, and other mundane actions unnecessarily. > > > 4) Yawning, stretching the legs, and showing disrespectful body- > > > language while chanting. > > > 5) CHANTING WITHOUT COUNTING OR SANKALPAM (at least a sankalpam of > > > Deva preeti or Sarva Jana sukham should be done) > > > > > > Though naama japams can be chanted throughout the day by Devotees > who > > > are so attached to their Devataas, the moola mantraas should be > > > essentially counted with the prescribed japa maalas or at least with > > > hasta rekhas to be effective as remedies. > > > > > > Chanting without counting is allowed only for tapasviis who are > bound > > > by the goal of Manifestation of the Deity; those great souls will > > > never cease to do the japam till their goal of Divine Vision is > > > attained, and they foresake even normal human routines in that > > > process. We mundane creatures with our egos and shortcomings should > > > essentially set aside proper timings for japam and count it as > > > prescribed in the scriptures. > > > > > > And I am yet to come across a real devotee who got egoistic or proud > > > because he counts his/ her japams! The more a person chants, the > > > more humble one becomes in this respect..... People who have > completed > > > lakh repetitions will feel humbled that they have very little time > to > > > complete 1 crore japam and so on! There are siddha purushaas who > > > have got Divine Visions and still continue their japam chanting. > > > Just as water washes away our impurities, japam removes karmic > > > negativities. It is better we follow scriptural injunctions in this > > > regard rather than trying to comment on those matters as per our > > > taste! I request all members to please exercise discretion in this > > > regard. We should not take everything easy. God can be approached > > > with Love; but that does not mean we can discard all traditions and > > > usages! > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology%40> > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, Rafal Gendarz > > > starsuponme@ wrote: > > > > > > > > *hraum namah adityaya* > > > > > > > > Dear Litsol, > > > > > > > > Definitely we should count our Mantra Japa on Mala. Your view is > > > against > > > > Vedic Authorities and Sages, so should be rejected. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Rafal Gendarz > > > > Sri Jagannath Center Guru > > > > email: rafal@ > > > > Jyotish pages: www.rohinaa. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol napisa?(a): > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Jayashri, > > > > > > > > > > A thought came, why i should not share with u, U pls. stop > > > counting > > > > > mantra chantings, counting mantra gives false ego and then > > > > > frustration if u dont get desired results. > > > > > > > > > > leave it to the god, god counts the mantra chanted by you may be > > > > > 108, 1008 or whatsoever, let him count, it's his part and ur > part > > > is > > > > > to chant the mantra. when the mantra has to awaken, it will be, > > > god > > > > > will ensure it for u. > > > > > > > > > > sometimes we try to become more intelligent with out limited > > > > > intellect and that creates obstacles in our spiritual growth. > > > > > > > > > > So, forget about counts, forget about the time u put in for ur's > > > > > sadhana, invoke the god with pure heart. purity counts. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ms. Jayashree: > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this topic on 108 is getting very interesting and > > > > > > enlightening for all members. Yesterday we had a wonderful > > > > > esoteric > > > > > > explanation from Shri. Sushil Dikshit, and today your > wonderful > > > > > > explanation of numerical symmetry of the cosmos! Wonderful. > > > > > > > > > > > > There definitely exists a " numerical symphony " in the > Universe. > > > > > But, > > > > > > not only 108.....as I mentioned in my earlier post, there are > > > > > various > > > > > > other numerals that are significant in occult practices. 108 > is > > > a > > > > > > powerful and all-purpose perfect number...While we have > > > understood > > > > > > the glory of 108, we should not lose sight of the fact that > > > there > > > > > are > > > > > > other powerful numbers also. This is just for the information > of > > > > > the > > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > > > My apprecitation again for this wonderful response. > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. vedic- > > > > > > astrology@grou ps.com <astrology% > > > 40. com>, > > > > > " jayasartn " <jayasartn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In cosmology, 108 has this significance - the moon is away > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > > earth 108 times its (moon's) diameter and the sun is away > > > from the > > > > > > > earth, 108 times its diameter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps this reality of distances is applicable to deities > > > too. > > > > > > > Perhaps this has been indicated by the 108 divya desas of > Lord > > > > > > Narayana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jayasree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " dakshinastrologer " > > > > > > > <dakshinastrologer@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri. Sushil: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a wonderful answer you have given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessed be. > > > > > > > > Pandit R.DAKSHINAMOORTHI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, " sushil.dikshit " > > > > > > > > <sushil.dikshit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Babu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not a silly question but it is a very good > question. > > > > > > > > Actually > > > > > > > > > there are 27 Nakshatras and every Nakshtras has 4 Charan > > > so > > > > > > total > > > > > > > > > charans are 27 x 4 = 108 Charan. Each Charan has 3 > degree > > > and > > > > > > 20 > > > > > > > > > minutes so if you multiply 3 degree and 20 minutes to > 108 > > > it > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > > out to be 360 degress i.e. one cycle (Circle). This > cycle > > > > > > > > represetns > > > > > > > > > whole brahmand because all the rashis, planets and > > > nakshatra > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > between these 360 degree in 2 dimensional horoscope. So > > > > > > chanting a > > > > > > > > > Mantra completes one cycle of this brahmand. Further One > > > who > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > visited Brahamand at least one time i.e. he is > > > brahmagyani he > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > entitiled to place 108 Shri before his name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sushil dikshit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > <vedic- astrology% 40. com>, babu mon > > > > > > <muthappan111@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It may be a silly matter for all of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I want to know what is the reason that some remedies > > > > > > recomended > > > > > > > > > for 108 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know any thing about astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you may pleased to provide a reply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers > from > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > who knows. > > > > > > > > > > Answers - Check it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
