4 step theory : questions

July 25, 2008

dear dhanabalan,

it seems that you are very much sticking to the matter

published in 1966 by KSK.

i request you to refer magazine " A & A " july 1970 issue.

the article is on " ayanamsha " this is a series of articles

on ayanamsha by KSK. in this article KSK writes

" Mercury is in star of Jupiter,jupiter in 5th bhava.Mercury

is in sub of Mercury and mercury is in jupiter star "

now you will come to know that KSK has taken sub's star.

regarding more about this thread,i quote one more incident.

when this " sublord speaks " series was publishing our guru late

jyotindra hasbe has advised me to study this series and he

added that I know thatKSK was using this sub's star in some

cases.

the next developement is known to maharashtrian kp followers.

thanks

-sunil gondhalekar

, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

wrote:

>

> Dear members

>

> For the members convenience I like to reproduce in page 245 of

volume II. This will clear your doubt whether sub's star has to be

taken or not.

>

> The native is a lady.

>

> " From 17-2-1968 onwards the planetary period of Rahu commences.

>

> Whether Rahu contributes reunion and domestic facility?

>

> A planet offers the results of the lord of the constellation in

which it is posited. The affairs pertaining to the houses over which

the lord of the constellation holds lordship will be experienced by

the native predominently.. The sub will indicate the net result.

>

> Rahu is posited in the constellation Krithika. Krithika is ruled

by sun. And sun holds the lordship of 1st house. 1st house indicates

honour, dignity, glory, comfort and happiness.

>

> Rahu is posited in the sub of Jupiter. Jupiter holds lordship of

5th house and 8th house. 5th house indicates recreation and

pleasure. 5th house is 11th (permanent tie) to the 7th house

(husband). 8th house is your mangalyum. It is 2nd house (comfort

from family) to the 7th house (husband).

>

> Therefore Rahu who is posited in the constellation of lord of 1st

house and who is in the sub of lord of 5 and 8, is a strong

significator indicating reunion and domestic facility. You are sure

to meet and move with your married partner and will have marital

bliss and domestic comfort during the planetary period of Rahu. "

>

> Thank you

> R.Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Wed, 7/23/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare wrote:

>

> Subhash <subhash_ektare

> Re: 4 step theory : questions

>

> Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 10:42 PM

>

Dear Mr. Naidu ji and members

> The Theory of Guruji KSK is well known to everybody. That the

planet gives the results of the house occupied by its Star Lord and

the house(s) owned by such star lord. And further that the sub lord

decides as to whether these results will be favorable or not.

> To explain your doubts in a simple manner let us take a planet

Jupiter in the star of Venus and sub of Mars.

> When we are working out the significations for a planet Jupiter,

it is supposed to give the results of the house occupied by Venus-

its star lord- and the houses owned by Venus. This is as per KP

Principles and therefore it is OK. Your doubt is why the star lord

of Venus should not be considered? Then its star lord? Where do we

expect to stop this? Mr. Naidu ji I really appriciate your

intelligent querry.

> My personal views about this, as a student of KP and 4 Step

Theory, are as follows:

> Since we are considering significations of Jupiter (I repeat,

Jupiter only) we have to restrict our analysis up to its star lord

level only. In this case it is Venus. Star Lord of Venus should be

considered ONLY WHEN signification of Venus is being worked out.

> Now take the case of Sub Lord Mars. Here, Mars has deciding power

to decide whether result offered by Jupiter is favorable or not.

Nothing beyond that.. Signification of Mars will decide this, which

is restricted upto star level only. So we have to stop our analysis

at this level. We cannot go to the sub level of Mars. Why? Remember,

the sub of Mars has no power to decide about results offered by

Jupiter. It has power to decide about the results offered b Mars

only.

> Views of senior members like Mr. L.Y.Rao, Sunil Gondhalekar, Punit

Pandey ji will be highly appriciated.

> Ragards

> Subhash Ektare

>

> @gro ups.com, " K. P. Naidu " <konathalan@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Subhash Ji,

> > Â

> > Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star lord),and at

sublord level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sri

K.M.Subrahmanian in his books " KPM Astrology for Beginners). In some

articles I found sub lord's sub lord also is taken as significator.

> > Sub lord is a PLANET and hence such planet's star lord may be

considered it is said.

> > Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star lord and

sub lord can also be considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a

planet. It's star lord and sub also can be considered ? Â To what

extent can it be STRETCHED ?

> > This not a creticism nor negation of any principle / theoy. Just

out of acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.

> > KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.

> > Â

> > naidu KP

> >

> > K. P. Naidu,

> > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,

> > Nowroji Road,

> > Maharanipeta,

> > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.

> > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.

> >

> > --- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash subhash_ektare@ ... wrote:

> >

> > Subhash subhash_ektare@ ...

> > Re: 4 step theory : questions

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:13 PM

> >

> > Dear Dhanabalan,

> > You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr.

Krishnamurty, himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this

date.Â It is quite natural that most of the contents of 1966 book

are reproduced in Readers since the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati

remained the same.

> > Modifications, as pointed by you,Â may be due to subsequent

research carried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this pointÂ

very clear inÂ subsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse

me, but I do not agree to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is

lost.

> > Since I have not read the Books by Sagar Publications, I cannot

comment on it.Â However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the

sublord atÂ places in his Readers.Â In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar

got inspiration to develope " Four Step Theory " only after readingÂ

famous series of articles " The Sub Lord Speaks " by Mr. K. M.

Subramaniam.Â " Four Step Theory " was the result of his (Mr.

Gondhalekar' s) vast experience and research work.

> > Four Step TheoryÂ is an extension of KP.Â It respects and

honors all KP Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a

planet. And if a planet is supposed to giveÂ result of a house

where its star lord is tenented, logically this should apply to sub

also. This is exactly what the 4th step is.

> > Any further questions are welcome.

> > Subhash Ektare

> > Â

> >

> > Â

> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

<r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear members,

> > > 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in Volume II of

Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year 1966. In

page 113 " According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow money

during the dasa bukthies of

> > > a) planets in the star or sub of occupants of 6th house

> > > b) occupants of 6th house

> > > c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house

> > > d) lord of 6th house....... ........ "

> > > Â

> > > In page 274 of volume II of sagar publication, the same is

repeated for the houses 2,5,11.

> > > Â

> > > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been taken from

Volume I & II of above sagar publications. The publishers have

modified the original content of volume II and published as Reader

III. For the same chart, the signlord in volume II is just replaced

with sublord in the Reader III. The originality of Mr.KSK has lost.

Reader III is not reliable. But volume I & II of sagar publication is

reliable. For comparision, I am giving the page numbers of volumeii

and Reader III

> > > pages in volume

IIÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Pages in Reader III

> > >

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> > >

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> > >

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> > > Â

> > > 3)Mr.KSK never ever nowhere asked sub's starlord either for

planet or for cusp sublord in the volume I & II of sagar publications.

It is stated that Mr.KSK took starlord for sublord with reference to

Reader III. Is there any reference in volume I & II of sagar

publications for sub's star by Mr.KSK.

> > > Regars,

> > > R.Dhanabalan

> > >

> >

> > Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to http://in.promos.

/ groups/

> >

>

July 26, 2008

Dear Mr..Subhash

Only 9 planets are available to become,sign,stsr,sub,SS,SSS and so on.

In the point you quoted pl read as Take Cuspal sub lord as a planet.

For example a natives 4 th house is lying vacant.What traditional astrologer would say is take the lord of that house for the 4 th house matters.

What is said in KP is take the cuspal sub lord of that house for further prediction.

Hence it is said ' take the cuspal sub lord as a planet'.If the cuspal sub lord is considered as a planet,you need to consider its (that cuspal sub lord's)star and sub...and so on.

Otherwise if you start taking as you mentioned I dont think there is any end.

Good luck

tkp--- On Thu, 7/24/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:

Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Re: Re: 4 step theory : questions Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 5:41 AM

Dear Mr.Naidu,

The late Mr.Kar had written about this...he suggests the one can go on upto sub-sub or even sub-sub -sub level or even further,till the time that a planet is reopeated... THAT planet will be the strongest significator. ..

Another rule to find out the strongeest significator is also in vogue : "Among the significators arrived at for an event,only those that are posited in the sub of a significator whose star is untenanted.. .are the strongest..."

L.Y.Rao.

GOOD LUCK !

K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comWednesday, 23 July, 2008 8:22:33 PMRe: Re: 4 step theory : questions

Dear Subhash Ji,

Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star lord),and at sublord level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sri K.M.Subrahmanian in his books "KP Astrology for Beginners). In some articles I found sub lord's sub lord also is taken as significator.

Sub lord is a PLANET and hence such planet's star lord may be considered it is said.

Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star lord and sub lord can also be considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a planet. It's star lord and sub also can be considered ? To what extent can it be STRETCHED ?

This not a creticism nor negation of any principle / theoy. Just out of acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.

KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.

naidu KPK. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > Re: 4 step theory : questions@gro ups.comTuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:13 PM

Dear Dhanabalan,

You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr. Krishnamurty, himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this date. It is quite natural that most of the contents of 1966 book are reproduced in Readers since the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati remained the same.

Modifications, as pointed by you, may be due to subsequent research carried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this point very clear in subsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse me, but I do not agree to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is lost.

Since I have not read the Books by Sagar Publications, I cannot comment on it. However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the sublord at places in his Readers. In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar got inspiration to develope "Four Step Theory" only after reading famous series of articles "The Sub Lord Speaks" by Mr. K. M. Subramaniam. "Four Step Theory" was the result of his (Mr. Gondhalekar' s) vast experience and research work.

Four Step Theory is an extension of KP. It respects and honors all KP Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a planet. And if a planet is supposed to give result of a house where its star lord is tenented, logically this should apply to sub also. This is exactly what the 4th step is.

Any further questions are welcome.

Subhash Ektare

@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members,> 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in Volume II of Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year 1966. In page 113 "According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow money during the dasa bukthies of > a) planets in the star or sub of occupants of 6th house> b) occupants of 6th house> c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house> d) lord of 6th house....... ........"> > In page 274 of volume II of sagar publication, the same is repeated for the houses 2,5,11.> > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been taken from Volume I & II of above sagar publications. The publishers have modified the original content of volume II and published as Reader III. For the same chart, the signlord in volume II is just replaced with sublord in the

Reader III. The originality of Mr.KSK has lost. Reader III is not reliable. But volume I & II of sagar publication is reliable. For comparision, I am giving the page numbers of volumeii and Reader III> pages in volume II Pages in Reader III> 42 53>

61 169> 64 171>

67 175> 74 181>

98,99 204,205> 130 226>

155 254> 162 261> > 3)Mr.KSK never ever nowhere asked sub's starlord either for planet or for cusp sublord in the volume I & II of sagar publications. It is stated that Mr.KSK took starlord for sublord with reference

to Reader III. Is there any reference in volume I & II of sagar publications for sub's star by Mr.KSK.> Regars,> R.Dhanabalan>

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July 26, 2008

Hi Subhash

Your explanation is perfectly in order.

Thats all KP.

Appreciated.

Good luck

tkp--- On Wed, 7/23/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare wrote:

Subhash <subhash_ektare Re: 4 step theory : questions Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 10:42 PM

Dear Mr. Naidu ji and members

The Theory of Guruji KSK is well known to everybody. That the planet gives the results of the house occupied by its Star Lord and the house(s) owned by such star lord. And further that the sub lord decides as to whether these results will be favorable or not.

To explain your doubts in a simple manner let us take a planet Jupiter in the star of Venus and sub of Mars.

When we are working out the significations for a planet Jupiter, it is supposed to give the results of the house occupied by Venus-its star lord- and the houses owned by Venus. This is as per KP Principles and therefore it is OK. Your doubt is why the star lord of Venus should not be considered? Then its star lord? Where do we expect to stop this? Mr. Naidu ji I really appriciate your intelligent querry.

My personal views about this, as a student of KP and 4 Step Theory, are as follows:

Since we are considering significations of Jupiter (I repeat, Jupiter only) we have to restrict our analysis up to its star lord level only. In this case it is Venus. Star Lord of Venus should be considered ONLY WHEN signification of Venus is being worked out.

Now take the case of Sub Lord Mars. Here, Mars has deciding power to decide whether result offered by Jupiter is favorable or not. Nothing beyond that. Signification of Mars will decide this, which is restricted upto star level only. So we have to stop our analysis at this level. We cannot go to the sub level of Mars. Why? Remember, the sub of Mars has no power to decide about results offered by Jupiter. It has power to decide about the results offered b Mars only.

Views of senior members like Mr. L.Y.Rao, Sunil Gondhalekar, Punit Pandey ji will be highly appriciated.

Ragards

Subhash Ektare

@gro ups.com, "K. P. Naidu" <konathalan@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Subhash Ji,> Â > Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star lord),and at sublord level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sri K.M.Subrahmanian in his books "KPM Astrology for Beginners). In some articles I found sub lord's sub lord also is taken as significator. > Sub lord is a PLANET and hence such planet's star lord may be considered it is said.> Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star lord and sub lord can also be considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a planet. It's star lord and sub also can be considered ? Â To what extent can it be STRETCHED ?> This not a creticism nor negation of any principle / theoy. Just out of acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.> KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.> Â > naidu KP> > K. P.

Naidu,> Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,> Nowroji Road,> Maharanipeta,> VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.> Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.> > --- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash subhash_ektare@ ... wrote:> > Subhash subhash_ektare@ ...> Re: 4 step theory : questions> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:13 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan,> You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr. Krishnamurty, himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this date.Â It is quite natural that most of the contents of 1966 book are reproduced in Readers since the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati remained the same. > Modifications, as pointed by you,Â may be due to subsequent research carried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this pointÂ very clear

inÂ subsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse me, but I do not agree to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is lost.> Since I have not read the Books by Sagar Publications, I cannot comment on it..Â However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the sublord atÂ places in his Readers.Â In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar got inspiration to develope "Four Step Theory" only after readingÂ famous series of articles "The Sub Lord Speaks" by Mr. K. M. Subramaniam.Â "Four Step Theory" was the result of his (Mr. Gondhalekar' s) vast experience and research work. > Four Step TheoryÂ is an extension of KP..Â It respects and honors all KP Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a planet. And if a planet is supposed to giveÂ result of a house where its star lord is tenented, logically this should apply to sub also. This is exactly what the 4th step is. > Any further

questions are welcome.> Subhash Ektare> Â > > Â > Â > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear members,> > 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in Volume II of Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year 1966. In page 113 "According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow money during the dasa bukthies of > > a) planets in the star or sub of occupants of 6th house> > b) occupants of 6th house> > c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house> > d) lord of 6th house....... ........"> > Â > > In page 274 of volume II of sagar publication, the same is repeated for the houses 2,5,11..> > Â > > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been taken from Volume I & II of above sagar publications. The

publishers have modified the original content of volume II and published as Reader III. For the same chart, the signlord in volume II is just replaced with sublord in the Reader III. The originality of Mr.KSK has lost. Reader III is not reliable. But volume I & II of sagar publication is reliable.. For comparision, I am giving the page numbers of volumeii and Reader III> > pages in volume IIÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Pages in Reader III> >

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> > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/>

July 27, 2008

27th July 2008

Dear Subhash ji

Thanks for your email. I have some further question as follows:

Taking your example:

Step 1: Sub Lord Cusp(7) signifies houses(2 or 7 or 11) è

marriage promised

Step 2: Dasa of Jupiter and Jupiter in Star Venus Sub Mars

Step 2: Dasa Lord Jupiter DOES NOT signify marriage

Step 3: Bhukti Lord Venus DOES NOT signify marriage

Step 4: Sub Lord Mars signify marriage

Then what will happen?

Regards

RG

On Behalf Of Subhash

Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:55 PM

Re: 4 step theory : questions

Dear Ravinder ji

I have taken hypothetical case of any planet.

Now assume that the querry is about marriage. 7th sub lord had

indicated that the marriage is promised. And the native is running Jupiter

Dasha.

Jupiter is in the star of Venus and sub

of Mars.

Let us say Jupiter (at planet level) signifies house 2. Its star

lord Venus is in 11 and thus signifies 11 in addition to 3 and 8. So it can be

said that Jupiter, at planet level and at star level, is

favorable for marriage in its dasha.

However as stated by Prof KSK, the sub lord (in this case Mars)

has the power to decide wthether marriage should take place in Jupiter dasha or

not. If this sub lord Mars signifies 1, 6 or 10 (houses

12th to 2, 7 and 11) it will not favor marriage. But if it signifies

,say, 3, 6, 7 , 9 and 11 it will be favorable for marriage in Jupiter dasha

because it signifies houses 7 and 11.

Thus the role of Mars, in this case, will be to tell whether Jupiter can

give marriage in its dasha or not.

I hope it is clear now.

Regards

, " Ravinder Grover "

<rgrover wrote:

>

> 24th July 2008

>

> Dear Subhash ji

>

> Can you please give some examples for others to understand this clearly.

>

> What would be the role of Mars ? How Mars will tell whether it is

> Beneficial for JUp or not

>

> Thanks

>

> RG

>

> On

> Behalf Of Subhash

> Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:42 AM

>

> Re: 4 step theory : questions

>

> Dear Mr. Naidu ji and members

>

> The Theory of Guruji KSK is well known to everybody. That the planet gives

> the results of the house occupied by its Star Lord and the house(s) owned

by

> such star lord. And further that the sub lord decides as to whether these

> results will be favorable or not.

>

> To explain your doubts in a simple manner let us take a planet Jupiter in

> the star of Venus and sub of Mars.

>

> When we are working out the significations for a planet Jupiter, it is

> supposed to give the results of the house occupied by Venus-its star lord-

> and the houses owned by Venus. This is as per KP Principles and therefore

it

> is OK. Your doubt is why the star lord of Venus should not be considered?

> Then its star lord? Where do we expect to stop this? Mr. Naidu ji I really

> appriciate your intelligent querry.

>

> My personal views about this, as a student of KP and 4 Step Theory, are as

> follows:

>

> Since we are considering significations of Jupiter (I repeat, Jupiter

only)

> we have to restrict our analysis up to its star lord level only. In this

> case it is Venus. Star Lord of Venus should be considered ONLY WHEN

> signification of Venus is being worked out.

>

> Now take the case of Sub Lord Mars. Here, Mars has deciding power to

decide

> whether result offered by Jupiter is favorable or not. Nothing beyond

that.

> Signification of Mars will decide this, which is restricted upto star

level

> only. So we have to stop our analysis at this level. We cannot go to the

sub

> level of Mars. Why? Remember, the sub of Mars has no power to decide about

> results offered by Jupiter. It has power to decide about the results

offered

> b Mars only.

>

> Views of senior members like Mr. L.Y.Rao, Sunil Gondhalekar, Punit Pandey

ji

> will be highly appriciated.

>

> Ragards

>

> Subhash Ektare

>

> , " K. P. Naidu " konathalan@

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Subhash Ji,

> > Â

> > Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star lord),and at

sublord

> level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sri K.M.Subrahmanian in

> his books " KPM Astrology for Beginners). In some articles I found sub

lord's

> sub lord also is taken as significator.

> > Sub lord is a PLANET and hence such planet's star lord may be

considered

> it is said.

> > Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star lord and sub

lord

> can also be considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a planet. It's star

> lord and sub also can be considered ? Â To what extent can it be STRETCHED

?

> > This not a creticism nor negation of any principle / theoy. Just out

of

> acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.

> > KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.

> > Â

> > naidu KP

> >

> > K. P. Naidu,

> > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,

> > Nowroji Road,

> > Maharanipeta,

> > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.

> > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.

> >

> > --- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash subhash_ektare@ wrote:

> >

> > Subhash subhash_ektare@

> > Re: 4 step theory : questions

> >

> > Tuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:13 PM

> >

> > Dear Dhanabalan,

> > You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr. Krishnamurty,

> himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this date.Â It is quite

> natural that most of the contents of 1966 book are reproduced in Readers

> since the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati remained the same.

> > Modifications, as pointed by you,Â may be due to subsequent research

> carried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this pointÂ very clear inÂ

> subsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse me, but I do not agree

> to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is lost.

> > Since I have not read the Books by Sagar Publications, I cannot

comment on

> it.Â However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the sublord atÂ places in

> his Readers.Â In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar got inspiration to develope

> " Four Step Theory " only after readingÂ famous series of articles

" The Sub

> Lord Speaks " by Mr. K. M. Subramaniam.Â " Four Step Theory "

was the result

> of his (Mr. Gondhalekar' s) vast experience and research work.

> > Four Step TheoryÂ is an extension of KP.Â It respects and honors all

KP

> Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a planet. And if a planet

> is supposed to giveÂ result of a house where its star lord is tenented,

> logically this should apply to sub also. This is exactly what the 4th step

> is.

> > Any further questions are welcome.

> > Subhash Ektare

> > Â

> >

> > Â

> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

.....>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear members,

> > > 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in Volume II of

> Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year 1966. In page 113

> " According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow money during

the dasa

> bukthies of

> > > a) planets in the star or sub of occupants of 6th house

> > > b) occupants of 6th house

> > > c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house

> > > d) lord of 6th house....... ........ "

> > > Â

> > > In page 274 of volume II of sagar publication, the same is

repeated for

> the houses 2,5,11.

> > > Â

> > > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been taken from

Volume

> I & II of above sagar publications. The publishers have modified the

original

> content of volume II and published as Reader III. For the same chart, the

> signlord in volume II is just replaced with sublord in the Reader III. The

> originality of Mr.KSK has lost. Reader III is not reliable. But volume

I & II

> of sagar publication is reliable. For comparision, I am giving the page

> numbers of volumeii and Reader III

> > > pages in volume IIÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â

> Â Â Â Â Â Pages in Reader III

> > > 42Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 53

> > > 61Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 169

> > > 64Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 171

> > > 67Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 175

> > > 74Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 181

> > > 98,99Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 204,205

> > > 130Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 226

> > > 155Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 254

> > > 162Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 261

> > > Â

> > > 3)Mr.KSK never ever nowhere asked sub's starlord either for

planet or

> for cusp sublord in the volume I & II of sagar publications. It is

stated that

> Mr.KSK took starlord for sublord with reference to Reader III. Is there

any

> reference in volume I & II of sagar publications for sub's star by

Mr.KSK.

> > > Regars,

> > > R.Dhanabalan

> > >

> >

> > Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to

> http://in.promos./groups/

> >

>

July 27, 2008

Dear Mr. Tkp Ghopal,

In this connection kindly refer to message # 18117 in which I have given

my views in detail.

The message, in my opinion, is self explanatory. However in case of any

doubts I welcome

you for further discussion.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

, Tkp Ghopal <astrogopalji_tkp

wrote:

>

> Dear Mr..Subhash

> Only 9 planets are available to become,sign,stsr,sub,SS,SSS and so on.

> In the point you quoted pl read as Take Cuspal sub lord as a planet.

>

> For example a natives 4 th house is lying vacant.What traditional

astrologer would say is take the lord of that house for the 4 th house

matters.

>

> What is said in KP is take the cuspal sub lord of that house for

further prediction.

> Hence it is said ' take the cuspal sub lord as a planet'.If the cuspal

sub lord is considered as a planet,you need to consider its (that cuspal

sub lord's)star and sub...and so on.

>

> Otherwise if you start taking as you mentioned I dont think there is

any end.

> Good luck

> tkp

> --- On Thu, 7/24/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1 wrote:

>

> Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1

> Re: Re: 4 step theory : questions

>

> Thursday, July 24, 2008, 5:41 AM

>

Dear Mr.Naidu,

> The late Mr.Kar had written about this...he

suggests the one can go on upto sub-sub or even sub-sub -sub level or

even further,till the time that a planet is reopeated... THAT planet

will be the strongest significator. ..

> Another rule to find out the strongeest

significator is also in vogue : " Among the significators arrived at for

an event,only those that are posited in the sub of a significator whose

star is untenanted.. .are the strongest... "

> L.Y.Rao.

> GOOD LUCK !

>

> K. P. Naidu konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> @gro ups.com

> Wednesday, 23 July, 2008 8:22:33 PM

> Re: Re: 4 step theory : questions

>

Dear Subhash Ji,

>

> Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star lord),and at

sublord level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sri

K.M.Subrahmanian in his books " KP Astrology for Beginners). In some

articles I found sub lord's sub lord also is taken as significator.

> Sub lord is a PLANET and hence such planet's star lord may be

considered it is said.

> Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star lord and sub

lord can also be considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a planet.

It's star lord and sub also can be considered ? To what extent can it

be STRETCHED ?

> This not a creticism nor negation of any principle / theoy. Just out

of acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.

> KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.

>

> naidu KP

>

> K. P. Naidu,

> Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,

> Nowroji Road,

> Maharanipeta,

> VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.

> Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.

>

> --- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

>

> Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >

> Re: 4 step theory : questions

> @gro ups.com

> Tuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:13 PM

>

> Dear Dhanabalan,

> You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr. Krishnamurty,

himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this date. It is quite

natural that most of the contents of 1966 book are reproduced in Readers

since the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati remained the same.

> Modifications, as pointed by you, may be due to subsequent research

carried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this point very clear in

subsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse me, but I do not

agree to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is lost.

> Since I have not read the Books by Sagar Publications, I cannot

comment on it. However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the sublord at

places in his Readers. In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar got inspiration to

develope " Four Step Theory " only after reading famous series of

articles " The Sub Lord Speaks " by Mr. K. M. Subramaniam. " Four Step

Theory " was the result of his (Mr. Gondhalekar' s) vast experience and

research work.

> Four Step Theory is an extension of KP. It respects and honors all

KP Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a planet. And if a

planet is supposed to give result of a house where its star lord is

tenented, logically this should apply to sub also. This is exactly what

the 4th step is.

> Any further questions are welcome.

> Subhash Ektare

>

> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear members,

> > 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in Volume II of

Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year 1966. In page

113 " According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow money during

the dasa bukthies of

> > a) planets in the star or sub of occupants of 6th house

> > b) occupants of 6th house

> > c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house

> > d) lord of 6th house....... ........ "

> >

> > In page 274 of volume II of sagar publication, the same is repeated

for the houses 2,5,11.

> >

> > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been taken from Volume

I & II of above sagar publications. The publishers have modified the

original content of volume II and published as Reader III. For the same

chart, the signlord in volume II is just replaced with sublord in the

Reader III. The originality of Mr.KSK has lost. Reader III is not

reliable. But volume I & II of sagar publication is reliable. For

comparision, I am giving the page numbers of volumeii and Reader III

> > pages in volume II Pages in Reader

III

> > 42 53

> > 61 169

> > 64 171

> > 67 175

> > 74 181

> > 98,99

204,205

> > 130 226

> > 155 254

> > 162 261

> >

> > 3)Mr.KSK never ever nowhere asked sub's starlord either for planet

or for cusp sublord in the volume I & II of sagar publications. It is

stated that Mr.KSK took starlord for sublord with reference to Reader

III. Is there any reference in volume I & II of sagar publications for

sub's star by Mr.KSK.

> > Regars,

> > R.Dhanabalan

> >

>

> Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now

>

> Save all your chat conversations. Find them online.

>

July 27, 2008

Dear Ravinder Grover

1) With reference to pages 113,114,274,319,320 of Krishnamoorthy Paddhati volume II of sagar publication in the year 1966, Mr.KSK has considered the planets in the star & sub of occupants and the planets in the star & sub of the house lords as significators. This point has been supressed in the k.p.Reader III, V and VI. The existing four fold general significator table has to be converted into six fold as below to get better results according to Mr.K.S.Krishnamoorthy.

House No

Planets

In the

Sub of

occupants

Planets

In the

Star of

occupants

Occupants in the house

Planets

In the

Sub of

House lord

Planets

In the

Star of

House lord

I

II

III

IV

V

VI

VII

VIII

IX

X

XI

XII

Mr.KSK said that the planets in the sub of occupants of the bhavas 2,7,11 are the strongest significators for the event marriage. Naturally the significator's sub belongs to 2,7,11..

Suppose Jupiter is in 7. Saturn is in the sub of Jupiter(Jupiter has gone as sub to saturn). So saturn is the significator for marriage signifying 7 in the sub level.

Suppose 7th lord is Mercury. Mars is in the sub of Mercury(Mercury has gone as sub to Mars). So Mars is the significator for marriage signifying 7 in the sub.

I think it is clear that any planet, whose sublord signifying 2,7,11 by position and ownership will give marriage.

2) In your example, it is stated that the dasa planet Jupiter is in the sub of Mars. Mars signifies 2,7,11. Jupiter will give marriage.

In the six fold table, Jupiter occupies the first rank significator.

3) In the book Astrosecret part II by Mr.K.Subramaniam, in page 7, he states as,"...Sub-lord is not a planet. And this sub lord is also not a star....". Whereas, the sublord is taken as planet in all the k.p.Readers. Mr.KSK never ever said anywhere in volume I & II of Krishnamoorthy paddhati that the sublord is a planet.

Regards

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Ravinder Grover <rgrover wrote:

Ravinder Grover <rgroverRE: Re: 4 step theory : questions Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 12:08 AM

27th July 2008

Dear Subhash ji

Thanks for your email. I have some further question as follows:

Taking your example:

Step 1: Sub Lord Cusp(7) signifies houses(2 or 7 or 11) è marriage promised

Step 2: Dasa of Jupiter and Jupiter in Star Venus Sub Mars

Step 2: Dasa Lord Jupiter DOES NOT signify marriage

Step 3: Bhukti Lord Venus DOES NOT signify marriage

Step 4: Sub Lord Mars signify marriage

Then what will happen?

Regards

RG

@gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of SubhashThursday, July 24, 2008 6:55 PM@gro ups.com Re: 4 step theory : questions

Dear Ravinder ji

I have taken hypothetical case of any planet.

Now assume that the querry is about marriage. 7th sub lord had indicated that the marriage is promised. And the native is running Jupiter Dasha.

Jupiter is in the star of Venus and sub of Mars.

Let us say Jupiter (at planet level) signifies house 2. Its star lord Venus is in 11 and thus signifies 11 in addition to 3 and 8. So it can be said that Jupiter, at planet level and at star level, is favorable for marriage in its dasha.

However as stated by Prof KSK, the sub lord (in this case Mars) has the power to decide wthether marriage should take place in Jupiter dasha or not. If this sub lord Mars signifies 1, 6 or 10 (houses 12th to 2, 7 and 11) it will not favor marriage. But if it signifies ,say, 3, 6, 7 , 9 and 11 it will be favorable for marriage in Jupiter dasha because it signifies houses 7 and 11.

Thus the role of Mars, in this case, will be to tell whether Jupiter can give marriage in its dasha or not.

I hope it is clear now.

Regards

@gro ups.com, "Ravinder Grover" <rgrover wrote:>> 24th July 2008> > > > Dear Subhash ji> > > > Can you please give some examples for others to understand this clearly.> > > > What would be the role of Mars ? How Mars will tell whether it is> Beneficial for JUp or not> > > > Thanks> > RG> > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On> Behalf Of Subhash> Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:42 AM> @gro ups.com> Re: 4 step theory : questions> > > > Dear Mr. Naidu ji and members> > The Theory of Guruji KSK is well known to everybody. That the planet

gives> the results of the house occupied by its Star Lord and the house(s) owned by> such star lord. And further that the sub lord decides as to whether these> results will be favorable or not.> > To explain your doubts in a simple manner let us take a planet Jupiter in> the star of Venus and sub of Mars. > > When we are working out the significations for a planet Jupiter, it is> supposed to give the results of the house occupied by Venus-its star lord-> and the houses owned by Venus. This is as per KP Principles and therefore it> is OK. Your doubt is why the star lord of Venus should not be considered?> Then its star lord? Where do we expect to stop this? Mr. Naidu ji I really> appriciate your intelligent querry.> > My personal views about this, as a student of KP and 4 Step Theory, are as> follows:> > Since we are considering

significations of Jupiter (I repeat, Jupiter only)> we have to restrict our analysis up to its star lord level only. In this> case it is Venus. Star Lord of Venus should be considered ONLY WHEN> signification of Venus is being worked out.> > Now take the case of Sub Lord Mars. Here, Mars has deciding power to decide> whether result offered by Jupiter is favorable or not. Nothing beyond that.> Signification of Mars will decide this, which is restricted upto star level> only. So we have to stop our analysis at this level. We cannot go to the sub> level of Mars. Why? Remember, the sub of Mars has no power to decide about> results offered by Jupiter. It has power to decide about the results offered> b Mars only.> > Views of senior members like Mr. L.Y.Rao, Sunil Gondhalekar, Punit Pandey ji> will be highly appriciated.> > Ragards> >

Subhash Ektare> > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "K. P. Naidu" konathalan@ wrote:> >> > Dear Subhash Ji,> > Â > > Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star lord),and at sublord> level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sri K.M.Subrahmanian in> his books "KPM Astrology for Beginners). In some articles I found sub lord's> sub lord also is taken as significator. > > Sub lord is a PLANET and hence such planet's star lord may be considered> it is said.> > Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star lord and sub lord> can also be considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a planet. It's star> lord and sub also can be considered ? Â To what extent can it be STRETCHED ?> > This not a creticism nor negation of any principle / theoy. Just out

of> acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.> > KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.> > Â > > naidu KP> > > > K. P. Naidu,> > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts..,> > Nowroji Road,> > Maharanipeta,> > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.> > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.> > > > --- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash subhash_ektare@ wrote:> > > > Subhash subhash_ektare@> > Re: 4 step theory : questions> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:13 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan,> > You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr. Krishnamurty,> himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this date.Â It is quite> natural that most

of the contents of 1966 book are reproduced in Readers> since the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati remained the same. > > Modifications, as pointed by you,Â may be due to subsequent research> carried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this pointÂ very clear inÂ> subsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse me, but I do not agree> to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is lost.> > Since I have not read the Books by Sagar Publications, I cannot comment on> it.Â However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the sublord atÂ places in> his Readers.Â In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar got inspiration to develope> "Four Step Theory" only after readingÂ famous series of articles "The Sub> Lord Speaks" by Mr. K. M. Subramaniam..Â "Four Step Theory" was the result> of his (Mr. Gondhalekar' s) vast experience and research work. > > Four Step TheoryÂ is an

extension of KP.Â It respects and honors all KP> Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a planet. And if a planet> is supposed to giveÂ result of a house where its star lord is tenented,> logically this should apply to sub also. This is exactly what the 4th step> is. > > Any further questions are welcome.> > Subhash Ektare> > Â > > > > Â > > Â > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ....>> wrote:> > >> > > Dear members,> > > 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in Volume II of> Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year 1966. In page 113> "According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow money during the dasa> bukthies of > > > a) planets in the star or sub of occupants of 6th house> > > b)

occupants of 6th house> > > c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house> > > d) lord of 6th house....... ........"> > > Â > > > In page 274 of volume II of sagar publication, the same is repeated for> the houses 2,5,11.> > > Â > > > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been taken from Volume> I & II of above sagar publications. The publishers have modified the original> content of volume II and published as Reader III. For the same chart, the> signlord in volume II is just replaced with sublord in the Reader III. The> originality of Mr.KSK has lost. Reader III is not reliable. But volume I & II> of sagar publication is reliable. For comparision, I am giving the page> numbers of volumeii and Reader III> > > pages in volume IIÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â> Â Â Â Â Â Pages in Reader III> > > 42Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 53> > > 61Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 169> > > 64Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 171> > > 67Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 175> > > 74Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 181> > > 98,99Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 204,205> > > 130Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 226> > > 155Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 254> > > 162Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 261> > > Â > > > 3)Mr.KSK never ever nowhere asked sub's starlord either for planet or> for cusp sublord in the volume I & II of sagar publications. It is stated that> Mr.KSK took starlord for sublord with reference to Reader III. Is there any> reference in volume I & II of sagar publications for sub's star by Mr.KSK.> > > Regars,> > > R.Dhanabalan> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to> http://in.promos. / groups/> >>

July 27, 2008

Dear Gopal

You said that in k.p., cuspal sublord is a planet. But it is not so. Sublord is always a sublord. Mr.KSK nowhere told in the volume I & II of Krishnamoorthy Paddhati that the cuspal sublord is a planet.

Mr.KSK said that the combination of 10th cuspal signlord, 10th cuspal starlord and 10th cuspal sublord will give the profession. 7th cuspal starlord and 7th cuspal sublord will give the spouse physical features, character,etc.

Contribution of the cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord for that bhava cannot be neglected.

R.Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare wrote:

Subhash <subhash_ektare Re: 4 step theory : questions Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 7:52 AM

Dear Mr. Tkp Ghopal,In this connection kindly refer to message # 18117 in which I have givenmy views in detail.The message, in my opinion, is self explanatory. However in case of anydoubts I welcomeyou for further discussion.RegardsSubhash Ektare@gro ups.com, Tkp Ghopal <astrogopalji_ tkpwrote:>> Dear Mr..Subhash> Only 9 planets are available to become,sign, stsr,sub, SS,SSS and so on.> In the point you quoted pl read as Take Cuspal sub lord as a planet.>> For example a natives 4 th house is lying vacant.What traditionalastrologer would say is take the lord of that house for the 4 th housematters.>> What is said in KP is take the cuspal sub lord of that house forfurther prediction.> Hence it is said ' take

the cuspal sub lord as a planet'.If the cuspalsub lord is considered as a planet,you need to consider its (that cuspalsub lord's)star and sub...and so on.>> Otherwise if you start taking as you mentioned I dont think there isany end.> Good luck> tkp> --- On Thu, 7/24/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@.. . wrote:>> Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@.. .> Re: Re: 4 step theory : questions> @gro ups.com> Thursday, July 24, 2008, 5:41 AM>>>>>>>>> Dear Mr.Naidu,> The late Mr.Kar had written about this...hesuggests the one can go on upto sub-sub or even sub-sub -sub level oreven further,till the time that a planet is reopeated... THAT planetwill be the strongest significator.

...> Another rule to find out the strongeestsignificator is also in vogue : "Among the significators arrived at foran event,only those that are posited in the sub of a significator whosestar is untenanted.. .are the strongest... "> L.Y.Rao.> GOOD LUCK !>>>>> > K. P. Naidu konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in>> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, 23 July, 2008 8:22:33 PM> Re: Re: 4 step theory : questions>>>>>>>>> Dear Subhash Ji,>> Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star lord),and atsublord level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sriK.M.Subrahmanian in his books "KP Astrology for Beginners). In somearticles I found sub lord's sub lord also is taken as significator.> Sub lord is a

PLANET and hence such planet's star lord may beconsidered it is said.> Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star lord and sublord can also be considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a planet.It's star lord and sub also can be considered ? To what extent can itbe STRETCHED ?> This not a creticism nor negation of any principle / theoy. Just outof acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.> KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.>> naidu KP>> K. P. Naidu,> Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,> Nowroji Road,> Maharanipeta,> VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.> Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.>> --- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:>> Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >> Re: 4 step theory : questions> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, 22 July,

2008, 1:13 PM>>>>>> Dear Dhanabalan,> You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr. Krishnamurty,himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this date. It is quitenatural that most of the contents of 1966 book are reproduced in Readerssince the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati remained the same.> Modifications, as pointed by you, may be due to subsequent researchcarried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this point very clear insubsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse me, but I do notagree to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is lost.> Since I have not read the Books by Sagar Publications, I cannotcomment on it. However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the sublord atplaces in his Readers. In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar got inspiration todevelope "Four Step Theory" only after reading famous series ofarticles "The Sub Lord

Speaks" by Mr. K. M. Subramaniam. "Four StepTheory" was the result of his (Mr. Gondhalekar' s) vast experience andresearch work.> Four Step Theory is an extension of KP. It respects and honors allKP Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a planet. And if aplanet is supposed to give result of a house where its star lord istenented, logically this should apply to sub also. This is exactly whatthe 4th step is.> Any further questions are welcome.> Subhash Ektare>>>>> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:> >> > Dear members,> > 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in Volume II ofKrishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year 1966. In page113 "According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow money duringthe dasa bukthies of> > a) planets in the star or

sub of occupants of 6th house> > b) occupants of 6th house> > c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house> > d) lord of 6th house....... ........"> >> > In page 274 of volume II of sagar publication, the same is repeatedfor the houses 2,5,11.> >> > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been taken from VolumeI & II of above sagar publications. The publishers have modified theoriginal content of volume II and published as Reader III. For the samechart, the signlord in volume II is just replaced with sublord in theReader III. The originality of Mr.KSK has lost. Reader III is notreliable. But volume I & II of sagar publication is reliable. Forcomparision, I am giving the page numbers of volumeii and Reader III> > pages in volume II Pages in ReaderIII> > 42 53> > 61 169> > 64 171> > 67

175> > 74 181> > 98,99 204,205> > 130 226> > 155 254> > 162 261> >> > 3)Mr.KSK never ever nowhere asked sub's starlord either for planetor for cusp sublord in the volume I & II of sagar publications. It isstated that Mr.KSK took starlord for sublord with reference to ReaderIII. Is there any reference in volume I & II of sagar publications forsub's star by Mr.KSK.> > Regars,> > R.Dhanabalan> >>>>> Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now>>>> Save all your chat conversations. Find them online.>

July 27, 2008

dear ravinder jee

wht u think abt saturn in the 10 house is that it will not possible to settle down in the life ever or it gives problem to father bussiness Regards Vikas DharniContact:+91-9872234101Home Page: www.Futurevisionastro..blogspot.com--- On Sun, 27/7/08, Ravinder Grover <rgrover wrote:

Ravinder Grover <rgroverRE: Re: 4 step theory : questions Date: Sunday, 27 July, 2008, 5:38 AM

27th July 2008

Dear Subhash ji

Thanks for your email. I have some further question as follows:

Taking your example:

Step 1: Sub Lord Cusp(7) signifies houses(2 or 7 or 11) Ã¨ marriage promised

Step 2: Dasa of Jupiter and Jupiter in Star Venus Sub Mars

Step 2: Dasa Lord Jupiter DOES NOT signify marriage

Step 3: Bhukti Lord Venus DOES NOT signify marriage

Step 4: Sub Lord Mars signify marriage

Then what will happen?

Regards

RG

@gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of SubhashThursday, July 24, 2008 6:55 PM@gro ups.com Re: 4 step theory : questions

Dear Ravinder ji

I have taken hypothetical case of any planet.

Now assume that the querry is about marriage. 7th sub lord had indicated that the marriage is promised. And the native is running Jupiter Dasha.

Jupiter is in the star of Venus and sub of Mars.

Let us say Jupiter (at planet level) signifies house 2. Its star lord Venus is in 11 and thus signifies 11 in addition to 3 and 8. So it can be said that Jupiter, at planet level and at star level, is favorable for marriage in its dasha.

However as stated by Prof KSK, the sub lord (in this case Mars) has the power to decide wthether marriage should take place in Jupiter dasha or not. If this sub lord Mars signifies 1, 6 or 10 (houses 12th to 2, 7 and 11) it will not favor marriage. But if it signifies ,say, 3, 6, 7 , 9 and 11 it will be favorable for marriage in Jupiter dasha because it signifies houses 7 and 11.

Thus the role of Mars, in this case, will be to tell whether Jupiter can give marriage in its dasha or not.

I hope it is clear now.

Regards

@gro ups.com, "Ravinder Grover" <rgrover wrote:>> 24th July 2008> > > > Dear Subhash ji> > > > Can you please give some examples for others to understand this clearly.> > > > What would be the role of Mars ? How Mars will tell whether it is> Beneficial for JUp or not> > > > Thanks> > RG> > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On> Behalf Of Subhash> Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:42 AM> @gro ups.com> Re: 4 step theory : questions> > > > Dear Mr. Naidu ji and members> > The Theory of Guruji KSK is well known to everybody. That the planet

gives> the results of the house occupied by its Star Lord and the house(s) owned by> such star lord. And further that the sub lord decides as to whether these> results will be favorable or not.> > To explain your doubts in a simple manner let us take a planet Jupiter in> the star of Venus and sub of Mars. > > When we are working out the significations for a planet Jupiter, it is> supposed to give the results of the house occupied by Venus-its star lord-> and the houses owned by Venus. This is as per KP Principles and therefore it> is OK. Your doubt is why the star lord of Venus should not be considered?> Then its star lord? Where do we expect to stop this? Mr. Naidu ji I really> appriciate your intelligent querry.> > My personal views about this, as a student of KP and 4 Step Theory, are as> follows:> > Since we are considering

significations of Jupiter (I repeat, Jupiter only)> we have to restrict our analysis up to its star lord level only. In this> case it is Venus. Star Lord of Venus should be considered ONLY WHEN> signification of Venus is being worked out.> > Now take the case of Sub Lord Mars. Here, Mars has deciding power to decide> whether result offered by Jupiter is favorable or not. Nothing beyond that.> Signification of Mars will decide this, which is restricted upto star level> only. So we have to stop our analysis at this level. We cannot go to the sub> level of Mars. Why? Remember, the sub of Mars has no power to decide about> results offered by Jupiter. It has power to decide about the results offered> b Mars only.> > Views of senior members like Mr. L.Y.Rao, Sunil Gondhalekar, Punit Pandey ji> will be highly appriciated.> > Ragards> >

Subhash Ektare> > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "K. P. Naidu" konathalan@ wrote:> >> > Dear Subhash Ji,> > Ã‚ > > Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star lord),and at sublord> level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sri K.M.Subrahmanian in> his books "KPM Astrology for Beginners). In some articles I found sub lord's> sub lord also is taken as significator. > > Sub lord is a PLANET and hence such planet's star lord may be considered> it is said.> > Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star lord and sub lord> can also be considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a planet. It's star> lord and sub also can be considered ? Ã‚ To what extent can it be STRETCHED ?> > This not a creticism nor negation of any principle / theoy. Just out

of> acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.> > KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.> > Ã‚ > > naidu KP> > > > K. P. Naidu,> > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,> > Nowroji Road,> > Maharanipeta,> > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.> > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.> > > > --- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash subhash_ektare@ wrote:> > > > Subhash subhash_ektare@> > Re: 4 step theory : questions> > @gro ups..com> > Tuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:13 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan,> > You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr. Krishnamurty,> himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this date.Ã‚ It is quite> natural that most

of the contents of 1966 book are reproduced in Readers> since the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati remained the same. > > Modifications, as pointed by you,Ã‚ may be due to subsequent research> carried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this pointÃ‚ very clear inÃ‚> subsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse me, but I do not agree> to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is lost.> > Since I have not read the Books by Sagar Publications, I cannot comment on> it.Ã‚ However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the sublord atÃ‚ places in> his Readers.Ã‚ In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar got inspiration to develope> "Four Step Theory" only after readingÃ‚ famous series of articles "The Sub> Lord Speaks" by Mr. K. M. Subramaniam.Ã‚ "Four Step Theory" was the result> of his (Mr. Gondhalekar' s) vast experience and research work. > > Four Step TheoryÃ‚ is an

extension of KP.Ã‚ It respects and honors all KP> Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a planet. And if a planet> is supposed to giveÃ‚ result of a house where its star lord is tenented,> logically this should apply to sub also. This is exactly what the 4th step> is. > > Any further questions are welcome.> > Subhash Ektare> > Ã‚ > > > > Ã‚ > > Ã‚ > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ....>> wrote:> > >> > > Dear members,> > > 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in Volume II of> Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year 1966. In page 113> "According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow money during the dasa> bukthies of > > > a) planets in the star or sub of occupants of 6th house> > > b)

occupants of 6th house> > > c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house> > > d) lord of 6th house....... ........"> > > Ã‚ > > > In page 274 of volume II of sagar publication, the same is repeated for> the houses 2,5,11.> > > Ã‚ > > > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been taken from Volume> I & II of above sagar publications. The publishers have modified the original> content of volume II and published as Reader III. For the same chart, the> signlord in volume II is just replaced with sublord in the Reader III. The> originality of Mr.KSK has lost. Reader III is not reliable. But volume I & II> of sagar publication is reliable. For comparision, I am giving the page> numbers of volumeii and Reader III> > > pages in volume IIÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

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Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 261> > > Ã‚ > > > 3)Mr.KSK never ever nowhere asked sub's starlord either for planet or> for cusp sublord in the volume I & II of sagar publications. It is stated that> Mr.KSK took starlord for sublord with reference to Reader III. Is there any> reference in volume I & II of sagar publications for sub's star by Mr.KSK.> > > Regars,> > > R.Dhanabalan> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to> http://in.promos. / groups/> >>

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July 27, 2008

Dear Sujatkaram

In 4 step theory, the starlord of the sublord is considered as primary significator. The sublord is taken as a weak significator and it may be promoted to primary significator on certain conditions. In which star the sublord mars posited is not given.

According to Mr.KSK, the planet's sublord signifying 2 or 7 or 11 will give marriage.

R.Dhanabalan --- On Thu, 7/24/08, sujatkaram <sujatkaram wrote:

sujatkaram <sujatkaram Re: 4 step theory : questions Date: Thursday, July 24, 2008, 1:55 PM

Respected Subhashji,Sir,In my opinion, it is according to 4-step theory that Mars, as the Sub of Jupiter,has powers to decide whether marriage will take place or otherwise.According to Guruji,s dictum, Mars, as Sub, will indicate whether marriage will be favourable or not i.e. whether marriage will produce favourable results as desired,or not..Please correct me if I am wrong.sujatkaram-- - In @gro ups.com, "Subhash" <subhash_ektare@ ...> wrote:>> > Dear Ravinder ji> > I have taken hypothetical case of any planet.> > Now assume that the querry is about marriage. 7th sub lord had indicated> that the marriage is promised. And the native is running Jupiter Dasha.> > > Jupiter is in the star of Venus and sub of Mars.> >

Let us say Jupiter (at planet level) signifies house 2. Its star lord> Venus is in 11 and thus signifies 11 in addition to 3 and 8. So it can> be said that Jupiter, at planet level and at star level, is favorable> for marriage in its dasha.> > However as stated by Prof KSK, the sub lord (in this case Mars) has the> power to decide wthether marriage should take place in Jupiter dasha or> not. If this sub lord Mars signifies 1, 6 or 10 (houses 12th to 2, 7> and 11) it will not favor marriage. But if it signifies ,say, 3, 6, 7 ,> 9 and 11 it will be favorable for marriage in Jupiter dasha because it> signifies houses 7 and 11.> > Thus the role of Mars, in this case, will be to tell whether Jupiter can> give marriage in its dasha or not.> > I hope it is clear now.> > Regards> > >

> @gro ups.com, "Ravinder Grover" <rgrover@>> wrote:> >> > 24th July 2008> >> >> >> > Dear Subhash ji> >> >> >> > Can you please give some examples for others to understand this> clearly.> >> >> >> > What would be the role of Mars ? How Mars will tell whether it is> > Beneficial for JUp or not> >> >> >> > Thanks> >> > RG> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com [@gro ups.com]> On> > Behalf Of Subhash> > Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:42 AM> > @gro ups.com> > Re: 4 step theory : questions> >> >> >> > Dear Mr. Naidu ji and members> >> > The Theory of Guruji KSK is well known to everybody. That the planet> gives> > the results of the house occupied by its Star Lord and the house(s)> owned by> > such star lord. And further that the sub lord decides as to whether> these> > results will be favorable or not.> >> > To explain your doubts in a simple manner let us take a planet Jupiter> in> > the star of Venus and sub of Mars.> >>

> When we are working out the significations for a planet Jupiter, it is> > supposed to give the results of the house occupied by Venus-its star> lord-> > and the houses owned by Venus. This is as per KP Principles and> therefore it> > is OK. Your doubt is why the star lord of Venus should not be> considered?> > Then its star lord? Where do we expect to stop this? Mr. Naidu ji I> really> > appriciate your intelligent querry.> >> > My personal views about this, as a student of KP and 4 Step Theory,> are as> > follows:> >> > Since we are considering significations of Jupiter (I repeat, Jupiter> only)> > we have to restrict our analysis up to its star lord level only. In> this> > case it is Venus. Star Lord of Venus should be considered ONLY WHEN> >

signification of Venus is being worked out.> >> > Now take the case of Sub Lord Mars. Here, Mars has deciding power to> decide> > whether result offered by Jupiter is favorable or not.. Nothing beyond> that.> > Signification of Mars will decide this, which is restricted upto star> level> > only. So we have to stop our analysis at this level. We cannot go to> the sub> > level of Mars. Why? Remember, the sub of Mars has no power to decide> about> > results offered by Jupiter. It has power to decide about the results> offered> > b Mars only.> >> > Views of senior members like Mr. L.Y.Rao, Sunil Gondhalekar, Punit> Pandey ji> > will be highly appriciated.> >> > Ragards> >> > Subhash Ektare> >> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com, "K. P. Naidu" konathalan@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Subhash Ji,> > > Â> > > Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star lord),and at> sublord> > level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sri> K.M.Subrahmanian in> > his books "KPM Astrology for Beginners). In some articles I found sub> lord's> > sub lord also is taken as significator.> > > Sub lord is a PLANET and hence such planet's star lord may be> considered> > it is said.> > > Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star lord and sub> lord> > can also be considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a planet. It's>

star> > lord and sub also can be considered ? Â To what extent can it be> STRETCHED ?> > > This not a creticism nor negation of any principle / theoy. Just out> of> > acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.> > > KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.> > > Â> > > naidu KP> > >> > > K. P. Naidu,> > > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,> > > Nowroji Road,> > > Maharanipeta,> > > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.> > > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.> > >> > > --- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash subhash_ektare@ wrote:> > >> > > Subhash subhash_ektare@> > > Re: 4 step theory : questions> > > @gro

ups.com> > > Tuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:13 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Dhanabalan,> > > You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr. Krishnamurty,> > himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this date.Â It is> quite> > natural that most of the contents of 1966 book are reproduced in> Readers> > since the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati remained the same.> > > Modifications, as pointed by you,Â may be due to subsequent> research> > carried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this pointÂ very> clear inÂ> > subsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse me, but I do not> agree> > to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is lost.> > > Since I

have not read the Books by Sagar Publications, I cannot> comment on> > it.Â However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the sublord atÂ> places in> > his Readers.Â In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar got inspiration to> develope> > "Four Step Theory" only after readingÂ famous series of articles> "The Sub> > Lord Speaks" by Mr. K. M. Subramaniam.Â "Four Step Theory" was the> result> > of his (Mr. Gondhalekar' s) vast experience and research work.> > > Four Step TheoryÂ is an extension of KP.Â It respects and> honors all KP> > Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a planet. And if a> planet> > is supposed to giveÂ result of a house where its star lord is> tenented,> > logically this should apply to sub also. This is exactly what the 4th> step> > is.> > > Any

further questions are welcome.> > > Subhash Ektare> > > Â> > >> > > Â> > > Â> > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r..dhanabalan@ ...>> > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear members,> > > > 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in Volume II of> > Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year 1966. In page> 113> > "According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow money during the> dasa> > bukthies of> > > > a) planets in the star or sub of occupants of 6th house> > > > b) occupants of 6th house> > > > c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house> > > > d) lord of 6th house....... ........"> > > > Â> > > > In page 274 of volume II

of sagar publication, the same is> repeated for> > the houses 2,5,11.> > > > Â> > > > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been taken from> Volume> > I & II of above sagar publications. The publishers have modified the> original> > content of volume II and published as Reader III. For the same chart,> the> > signlord in volume II is just replaced with sublord in the Reader III.> The> > originality of Mr.KSK has lost. Reader III is not reliable. But volume> I & II> > of sagar publication is reliable. For comparision, I am giving the> page> > numbers of volumeii and Reader III> > > > pages in volume IIÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â Â> > Â Â Â Â Â Pages in Reader III> > > >

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Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 254> > > > 162Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 261> > > > Â> > > > 3)Mr.KSK never ever nowhere asked sub's starlord either for planet> or> > for cusp sublord in the volume I & II of sagar publications. It is> stated that> > Mr.KSK took starlord for sublord with reference to Reader III. Is> there any> > reference in volume I & II of sagar publications for sub's star by> Mr.KSK.> > > > Regars,> > > > R.Dhanabalan> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >

>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to> > http://in.promos. / groups/> > >> >>

July 27, 2008

Dear Sujatkaram,

In my posting I have taken Planet Jupiter arbitrarily as an example.

And I have assumed its dasha is running. It has nothing to do with 7th

house.

The 7th house sub lord (may be any planet not necessarily Mars) has

promised the marriage. This sub will decide whether marriage will be

favorable or not. Yes, your understanding of Guruji's dictum is

perfect. However I think you have mistaken Mars to be 7th sub lord which

is not the case here.

Mars, which is the sub lord of Jupiter (Dasha Lord), has power to decide

whether Jupiter (as dasha lord) will give marriage in its dasha or not.

It has no power to say whether marriage will be favorable or not. This

is jurisdiction of the 7th sub lord.

I hope this clears my views.

Regards,

Subhash Ektare

, " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram wrote:

>

> Respected Subhashji,

> Sir,

> In my opinion, it is according to 4-step theory that Mars, as the Sub

> of Jupiter,has powers to decide whether marriage will take place or

> otherwise.

> According to Guruji,s dictum, Mars, as Sub, will indicate whether

> marriage will be favourable or not i.e. whether marriage will produce

> favourable results as desired,or not.

>

> Please correct me if I am wrong.

> sujatkaram , " Subhash "

> subhash_ektare@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ravinder ji

> >

> > I have taken hypothetical case of any planet.

> >

> > Now assume that the querry is about marriage. 7th sub lord had

> indicated

> > that the marriage is promised. And the native is running Jupiter

> Dasha.

> >

> > Jupiter is in the star of Venus and sub of Mars.

> >

> > Let us say Jupiter (at planet level) signifies house 2. Its star

> lord

> > Venus is in 11 and thus signifies 11 in addition to 3 and 8. So it

> can

> > be said that Jupiter, at planet level and at star level, is

> favorable

> > for marriage in its dasha.

> >

> > However as stated by Prof KSK, the sub lord (in this case Mars)

> has the

> > power to decide wthether marriage should take place in Jupiter

> dasha or

> > not. If this sub lord Mars signifies 1, 6 or 10 (houses 12th to

> 2, 7

> > and 11) it will not favor marriage. But if it signifies ,say, 3,

> 6, 7 ,

> > 9 and 11 it will be favorable for marriage in Jupiter dasha because

> it

> > signifies houses 7 and 11.

> >

> > Thus the role of Mars, in this case, will be to tell whether

> Jupiter can

> > give marriage in its dasha or not.

> >

> > I hope it is clear now.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > , " Ravinder Grover " <rgrover@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > 24th July 2008

> > >

> > > Dear Subhash ji

> > >

> > > Can you please give some examples for others to understand this

> > clearly.

> > >

> > > What would be the role of Mars ? How Mars will tell whether it is

> > > Beneficial for JUp or not

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > RG

> > >

>

> > On

> > > Behalf Of Subhash

> > > Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:42 AM

> > >

> > > Re: 4 step theory : questions

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Naidu ji and members

> > >

> > > The Theory of Guruji KSK is well known to everybody. That the

> planet

> > gives

> > > the results of the house occupied by its Star Lord and the house

> (s)

> > owned by

> > > such star lord. And further that the sub lord decides as to

> whether

> > these

> > > results will be favorable or not.

> > >

> > > To explain your doubts in a simple manner let us take a planet

> Jupiter

> > in

> > > the star of Venus and sub of Mars.

> > >

> > > When we are working out the significations for a planet Jupiter,

> it is

> > > supposed to give the results of the house occupied by Venus-its

> star

> > lord-

> > > and the houses owned by Venus. This is as per KP Principles and

> > therefore it

> > > is OK. Your doubt is why the star lord of Venus should not be

> > considered?

> > > Then its star lord? Where do we expect to stop this? Mr. Naidu ji

> I

> > really

> > > appriciate your intelligent querry.

> > >

> > > My personal views about this, as a student of KP and 4 Step

> Theory,

> > are as

> > > follows:

> > >

> > > Since we are considering significations of Jupiter (I repeat,

> Jupiter

> > only)

> > > we have to restrict our analysis up to its star lord level only.

> In

> > this

> > > case it is Venus. Star Lord of Venus should be considered ONLY

> WHEN

> > > signification of Venus is being worked out.

> > >

> > > Now take the case of Sub Lord Mars. Here, Mars has deciding power

> to

> > decide

> > > whether result offered by Jupiter is favorable or not. Nothing

> beyond

> > that.

> > > Signification of Mars will decide this, which is restricted upto

> star

> > level

> > > only. So we have to stop our analysis at this level. We cannot go

> to

> > the sub

> > > level of Mars. Why? Remember, the sub of Mars has no power to

> decide

> > about

> > > results offered by Jupiter. It has power to decide about the

> results

> > offered

> > > b Mars only.

> > >

> > > Views of senior members like Mr. L.Y.Rao, Sunil Gondhalekar, Punit

> > Pandey ji

> > > will be highly appriciated.

> > >

> > > Ragards

> > >

> > > Subhash Ektare

> > >

> > > , " K. P. Naidu " konathalan@

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Subhash Ji,

> > > > Â

> > > > Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star lord),and at

> > sublord

> > > level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sri

> > K.M.Subrahmanian in

> > > his books " KPM Astrology for Beginners). In some articles I found

> sub

> > lord's

> > > sub lord also is taken as significator.

> > > > Sub lord is a PLANET and hence such planet's star lord may be

> > considered

> > > it is said.

> > > > Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star lord and

> sub

> > lord

> > > can also be considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a planet.

> It's

> > star

> > > lord and sub also can be considered ? Â To what extent can it

be

> > STRETCHED ?

> > > > This not a creticism nor negation of any principle / theoy.

> Just out

> > of

> > > acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.

> > > > KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.

> > > > Â

> > > > naidu KP

> > > >

> > > > K. P. Naidu,

> > > > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,

> > > > Nowroji Road,

> > > > Maharanipeta,

> > > > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.

> > > > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.

> > > >

> > > > --- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash subhash_ektare@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Subhash subhash_ektare@

> > > > Re: 4 step theory : questions

> > > >

> > > > Tuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:13 PM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Dhanabalan,

> > > > You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr.

> Krishnamurty,

> > > himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this date.Â It

is

> > quite

> > > natural that most of the contents of 1966 book are reproduced in

> > Readers

> > > since the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati remained the same.

> > > > Modifications, as pointed by you,Â may be due to subsequent

> > research

> > > carried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this pointÂ very

> > clear inÂ

> > > subsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse me, but I do

> not

> > agree

> > > to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is lost.

> > > > Since I have not read the Books by Sagar Publications, I cannot

> > comment on

> > > it.Â However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the sublord

atÂ

> > places in

> > > his Readers.Â In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar got inspiration to

> > develope

> > > " Four Step Theory " only after readingÂ famous series of

articles

> > " The Sub

> > > Lord Speaks " by Mr. K. M. Subramaniam.Â " Four Step Theory " was

the

> > result

> > > of his (Mr. Gondhalekar' s) vast experience and research work.

> > > > Four Step TheoryÂ is an extension of KP.Â It respects and

> > honors all KP

> > > Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a planet. And if

> a

> > planet

> > > is supposed to giveÂ result of a house where its star lord is

> > tenented,

> > > logically this should apply to sub also. This is exactly what the

> 4th

> > step

> > > is.

> > > > Any further questions are welcome.

> > > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > Â

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

> <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear members,

> > > > > 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in Volume II of

> > > Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year 1966. In

> page

> > 113

> > > " According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow money

> during the

> > dasa

> > > bukthies of

> > > > > a) planets in the star or sub of occupants of 6th house

> > > > > b) occupants of 6th house

> > > > > c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house

> > > > > d) lord of 6th house....... ........ "

> > > > > Â

> > > > > In page 274 of volume II of sagar publication, the same is

> > repeated for

> > > the houses 2,5,11.

> > > > > Â

> > > > > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been taken from

> > Volume

> > > I & II of above sagar publications. The publishers have modified the

> > original

> > > content of volume II and published as Reader III. For the same

> chart,

> > the

> > > signlord in volume II is just replaced with sublord in the Reader

> III.

> > The

> > > originality of Mr.KSK has lost. Reader III is not reliable. But

> volume

> > I & II

> > > of sagar publication is reliable. For comparision, I am giving the

> > page

> > > numbers of volumeii and Reader III

> > > > > pages in volume IIÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â

> > Â Â Â Â

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> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

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> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 261

> > > > > Â

> > > > > 3)Mr.KSK never ever nowhere asked sub's starlord either for

> planet

> > or

> > > for cusp sublord in the volume I & II of sagar publications. It is

> > stated that

> > > Mr.KSK took starlord for sublord with reference to Reader III. Is

> > there any

> > > reference in volume I & II of sagar publications for sub's star by

> > Mr.KSK.

> > > > > Regars,

> > > > > R.Dhanabalan

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to

> > > http://in.promos./groups/

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

July 27, 2008

Dear Sunil Gondhalekar

1) Mr.K.S.Krishnamoorthy has developed a system Krishnamoorthy paddhati and sold the right of publication to sagar company at Delhi for very lesser rate. Later he wanted to commercialise the astrology. Due to the copyright act, in order to print and sell the books, there was a necessity to introduce something new in the Readers. The introduction of sub's star theory is only out of compulsion and not on researc. Whether Mr.KSK has introduced the sub's star system or his sons have introduced is not the matter. Sub's star theory is not a proved theory. For the same example in volume II of sagar publication, just replaced the signlord with sublord and published Reader III.

2) Mr.KSK was awarded title and gold medal for the system published in sagar publications. What were the ahievements using sub's star theory after 1970. What are the titles and award he received after 1970, the invention of sub's star theory. In general, every astrologer claims that they are giving 100% correct prediction. Writing articles in magazine is one way of advertisement. On seeing the articles, many public approach the astrologer.

3) Due to false probagonda that k.p. gives 100% result, about 800 persons studied the k.p.astrology in salem District under one teacher for the past 7 years. Each spent about Rs.5000 as fees and purchased books. In addition to that they spent time to attend the class and home work. But only about 20 persons are in line. The beneficials are the k.p.booksellers and the teacher. After studying the k.p., about 780 persons could not give correct prediction and forget the k.p. system. Even among the 20 persons, only a few persons are giving correct predictions by chance. The failure is not with astrologers but with the k.p.system.

4) I am a mechanical engineer with M.E.(Engineering Design). I know the computer operation from 1986 and I have my own system from 1989. Even after my hard working for the past 4 years, I coud not give correct prediction in k.p. using the sub's sub's star system. There is nothing wrong with me but in the k.p.system.

5) Even in the k.p.readers, there are lot of controversis, which were already discussed in this group.

6) If k.p.system is giving correct prediction, there is no necessity to deviate the k.p.system and there is no necessity for the cuspal interlink system, multi stellar system and 4 step theory.

7) The conclusion is that the sub's star system is not a proved one. The introduction of sub's star system is on commercial basis. One cannot neglect the cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord. The k.p.system published in 1966 by the sagar publication alone is correct. Since there was no computer and calculator available during 1965, Mr.KSK has given some examples considering the planets in the sub of occupants and house lords as significators. One should follow the six fold general signifacator table instead of using 4 fold table at present. Not even the six fold table is used in k.p.readers. The criticized vedic aspect is used in the k.p.readers. I can say that there was no improvement in k.p. after 1966.

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Fri, 7/25/08, sunilalaka <sunilalaka wrote:

sunilalaka <sunilalaka Re: 4 step theory : questions Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 11:22 AM

dear dhanabalan,it seems that you are very much sticking to the matterpublished in 1966 by KSK.i request you to refer magazine "A & A" july 1970 issue.the article is on "ayanamsha"this is a series of articleson ayanamsha by KSK. in this article KSK writes"Mercury is in star of Jupiter,jupiter in 5th bhava.Mercuryis in sub of Mercury and mercury is in jupiter star"now you will come to know that KSK has taken sub's star.regarding more about this thread,i quote one more incident.when this "sublord speaks" series was publishing our guru latejyotindra hasbe has advised me to study this series and he added that I know thatKSK was using this sub's star in somecases.the next developement is known to maharashtrian kp followers.thanks-sunil gondhalekar@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

<r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> > Dear members> > For the members convenience I like to reproduce in page 245 of volume II. This will clear your doubt whether sub's star has to be taken or not.> > The native is a lady.> > "From 17-2-1968 onwards the planetary period of Rahu commences.> > Whether Rahu contributes reunion and domestic facility?> > A planet offers the results of the lord of the constellation in which it is posited. The affairs pertaining to the houses over which the lord of the constellation holds lordship will be experienced by the native predominently. . The sub will indicate the net result.> > Rahu is posited in the constellation Krithika. Krithika is ruled by sun. And sun holds the lordship of 1st house. 1st house indicates honour, dignity, glory,

comfort and happiness.> > Rahu is posited in the sub of Jupiter. Jupiter holds lordship of 5th house and 8th house. 5th house indicates recreation and pleasure. 5th house is 11th (permanent tie) to the 7th house (husband). 8th house is your mangalyum. It is 2nd house (comfort from family) to the 7th house (husband).> > Therefore Rahu who is posited in the constellation of lord of 1st house and who is in the sub of lord of 5 and 8, is a strong significator indicating reunion and domestic facility. You are sure to meet and move with your married partner and will have marital bliss and domestic comfort during the planetary period of Rahu."> > Thank you> R.Dhanabalan> > > --- On Wed, 7/23/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ ...> wrote:> > Subhash <subhash_ektare@ ...>> Re: 4 step theory

: questions> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 10:42 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Naidu ji and members> The Theory of Guruji KSK is well known to everybody. That the planet gives the results of the house occupied by its Star Lord and the house(s) owned by such star lord. And further that the sub lord decides as to whether these results will be favorable or not.> To explain your doubts in a simple manner let us take a planet Jupiter in the star of Venus and sub of Mars. > When we are working out the significations for a planet Jupiter, it is supposed to give the results of the house occupied by Venus-its star lord- and the houses owned by Venus. This is as per KP Principles and therefore it is OK. Your doubt is why the star lord

of Venus should not be considered? Then its star lord? Where do we expect to stop this? Mr. Naidu ji I really appriciate your intelligent querry.> My personal views about this, as a student of KP and 4 Step Theory, are as follows:> Since we are considering significations of Jupiter (I repeat, Jupiter only) we have to restrict our analysis up to its star lord level only. In this case it is Venus. Star Lord of Venus should be considered ONLY WHEN signification of Venus is being worked out.> Now take the case of Sub Lord Mars. Here, Mars has deciding power to decide whether result offered by Jupiter is favorable or not. Nothing beyond that.. Signification of Mars will decide this, which is restricted upto star level only. So we have to stop our analysis at this level. We cannot go to the sub level of Mars. Why? Remember, the sub of Mars has no power to decide about

results offered by Jupiter. It has power to decide about the results offered b Mars only.> Views of senior members like Mr. L.Y.Rao, Sunil Gondhalekar, Punit Pandey ji will be highly appriciated.> Ragards> Subhash Ektare> > > > > @gro ups.com, "K. P. Naidu" <konathalan@ ..> wrote:> >> > Dear Subhash Ji,> > Â > > Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star lord),and at sublord level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sri K.M.Subrahmanian in his books "KPM Astrology for Beginners).. In some articles I found sub lord's sub lord also is taken as significator. > > Sub lord is a PLANET and hence such planet's star lord may be considered it is said.> > Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star lord and sub lord can also be

considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a planet. It's star lord and sub also can be considered ? Â To what extent can it be STRETCHED ?> > This not a creticism nor negation of any principle / theoy. Just out of acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.> > KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.> > Â > > naidu KP> > > > K. P. Naidu,> > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,> > Nowroji Road,> > Maharanipeta,> > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.> > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.> > > > --- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash subhash_ektare@ ... wrote:> > > > Subhash subhash_ektare@ ...> > Re: 4 step theory : questions> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:13 PM> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan,> > You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr. Krishnamurty, himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this date.Â It is quite natural that most of the contents of 1966 book are reproduced in Readers since the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati remained the same. > > Modifications, as pointed by you,Â may be due to subsequent research carried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this pointÂ very clear inÂ subsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse me, but I do not agree to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is lost.> > Since I have not read the Books by Sagar Publications, I cannot comment on it.Â However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the sublord atÂ places in his Readers.Â In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar got inspiration to develope "Four Step

Theory" only after readingÂ famous series of articles "The Sub Lord Speaks" by Mr. K. M. Subramaniam.Â "Four Step Theory" was the result of his (Mr. Gondhalekar' s) vast experience and research work. > > Four Step TheoryÂ is an extension of KP.Â It respects and honors all KP Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a planet. And if a planet is supposed to giveÂ result of a house where its star lord is tenented, logically this should apply to sub also. This is exactly what the 4th step is. > > Any further questions are welcome.> > Subhash Ektare> > Â > > > > Â > > Â > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ....> wrote:> > >> > > Dear members,> > > 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in Volume II of

Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year 1966. In page 113 "According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow money during the dasa bukthies of > > > a) planets in the star or sub of occupants of 6th house> > > b) occupants of 6th house> > > c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house> > > d) lord of 6th house....... ........"> > > Â > > > In page 274 of volume II of sagar publication, the same is repeated for the houses 2,5,11.> > > Â > > > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been taken from Volume I & II of above sagar publications. The publishers have modified the original content of volume II and published as Reader III. For the same chart, the signlord in volume II is just replaced with sublord in the Reader III. The originality of Mr.KSK has lost. Reader III is

not reliable. But volume I & II of sagar publication is reliable. For comparision, I am giving the page numbers of volumeii and Reader III> > > pages in volume IIÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Pages in Reader III> > >

42Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 53> > >

61Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 169> > >

64Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 171> > >

67Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 175> > >

74Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 181> > >

98,99Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 204,205> > >

130Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 226> > >

155Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 254> > >

162Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 261> > > Â > > > 3)Mr.KSK never ever nowhere asked sub's starlord either for planet or for cusp sublord in the volume I & II of sagar publications. It is stated that Mr.KSK took starlord for sublord with reference to Reader III. Is there any reference in volume I & II of sagar publications for sub's star by Mr.KSK.> > > Regars,> > > R.Dhanabalan> > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/> >>

July 27, 2008

Dear Raviuder,

Will you please explain in detail steps 2, 3 and 4 in your message?

Sorry, I am not in a position to understand your querry.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

, " Ravinder Grover " <rgrover

wrote:

>

> 27th July 2008

>

> Dear Subhash ji

>

> Thanks for your email. I have some further question as follows:

>

> Taking your example:

>

> Step 1: Sub Lord Cusp(7) signifies houses(2 or 7 or 11) è marriage

promised

>

> Step 2: Dasa of Jupiter and Jupiter in Star Venus Sub Mars

>

> Step 2: Dasa Lord Jupiter DOES NOT signify marriage

>

> Step 3: Bhukti Lord Venus DOES NOT signify marriage

>

> Step 4: Sub Lord Mars signify marriage

>

> Then what will happen?

>

> Regards

>

> RG

>

On

> Behalf Of Subhash

> Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:55 PM

>

> Re: 4 step theory : questions

>

> Dear Ravinder ji

>

> I have taken hypothetical case of any planet.

>

> Now assume that the querry is about marriage. 7th sub lord had

indicated

> that the marriage is promised. And the native is running Jupiter

Dasha.

>

> Jupiter is in the star of Venus and sub of Mars.

>

> Let us say Jupiter (at planet level) signifies house 2. Its star lord

> Venus is in 11 and thus signifies 11 in addition to 3 and 8. So it can

be

> said that Jupiter, at planet level and at star level, is favorable for

> marriage in its dasha.

>

> However as stated by Prof KSK, the sub lord (in this case Mars) has

the

> power to decide wthether marriage should take place in Jupiter dasha

or not.

> If this sub lord Mars signifies 1, 6 or 10 (houses 12th to 2, 7 and

11) it

> will not favor marriage. But if it signifies ,say, 3, 6, 7 , 9 and 11

it

> will be favorable for marriage in Jupiter dasha because it signifies

houses

> 7 and 11.

>

> Thus the role of Mars, in this case, will be to tell whether Jupiter

can

> give marriage in its dasha or not.

>

> I hope it is clear now.

>

> Regards

>

> , " Ravinder Grover " rgrover@ wrote:

> >

> > 24th July 2008

> >

> > Dear Subhash ji

> >

> > Can you please give some examples for others to understand this

clearly.

> >

> > What would be the role of Mars ? How Mars will tell whether it is

> > Beneficial for JUp or not

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > RG

> >

On

> > Behalf Of Subhash

> > Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:42 AM

> >

> > Re: 4 step theory : questions

> >

> > Dear Mr. Naidu ji and members

> >

> > The Theory of Guruji KSK is well known to everybody. That the planet

gives

> > the results of the house occupied by its Star Lord and the house(s)

owned

> by

> > such star lord. And further that the sub lord decides as to whether

these

> > results will be favorable or not.

> >

> > To explain your doubts in a simple manner let us take a planet

Jupiter in

> > the star of Venus and sub of Mars.

> >

> > When we are working out the significations for a planet Jupiter, it

is

> > supposed to give the results of the house occupied by Venus-its star

lord-

> > and the houses owned by Venus. This is as per KP Principles and

therefore

> it

> > is OK. Your doubt is why the star lord of Venus should not be

considered?

> > Then its star lord? Where do we expect to stop this? Mr. Naidu ji I

really

> > appriciate your intelligent querry.

> >

> > My personal views about this, as a student of KP and 4 Step Theory,

are as

> > follows:

> >

> > Since we are considering significations of Jupiter (I repeat,

Jupiter

> only)

> > we have to restrict our analysis up to its star lord level only. In

this

> > case it is Venus. Star Lord of Venus should be considered ONLY WHEN

> > signification of Venus is being worked out.

> >

> > Now take the case of Sub Lord Mars. Here, Mars has deciding power to

> decide

> > whether result offered by Jupiter is favorable or not. Nothing

beyond

> that.

> > Signification of Mars will decide this, which is restricted upto

star

> level

> > only. So we have to stop our analysis at this level. We cannot go to

the

> sub

> > level of Mars. Why? Remember, the sub of Mars has no power to decide

about

> > results offered by Jupiter. It has power to decide about the results

> offered

> > b Mars only.

> >

> > Views of senior members like Mr. L.Y.Rao, Sunil Gondhalekar, Punit

Pandey

> ji

> > will be highly appriciated.

> >

> > Ragards

> >

> > Subhash Ektare

> >

> > , " K. P. Naidu " konathalan@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Subhash Ji,

> > > Â

> > > Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star lord),and at

sublord

> > level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sri

K.M.Subrahmanian in

> > his books " KPM Astrology for Beginners). In some articles I found

sub

> lord's

> > sub lord also is taken as significator.

> > > Sub lord is a PLANET and hence such planet's star lord may be

considered

> > it is said.

> > > Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star lord and sub

lord

> > can also be considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a planet. It's

star

> > lord and sub also can be considered ? Â To what extent can it be

STRETCHED

> ?

> > > This not a creticism nor negation of any principle / theoy. Just

out of

> > acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.

> > > KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.

> > > Â

> > > naidu KP

> > >

> > > K. P. Naidu,

> > > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,

> > > Nowroji Road,

> > > Maharanipeta,

> > > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.

> > > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash subhash_ektare@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Subhash subhash_ektare@

> > > Re: 4 step theory : questions

> > >

> > > Tuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:13 PM

> > >

> > > Dear Dhanabalan,

> > > You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr. Krishnamurty,

> > himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this date.Â It

is quite

> > natural that most of the contents of 1966 book are reproduced in

Readers

> > since the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati remained the same.

> > > Modifications, as pointed by you,Â may be due to subsequent

research

> > carried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this pointÂ very

clear inÂ

> > subsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse me, but I do not

agree

> > to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is lost.

> > > Since I have not read the Books by Sagar Publications, I cannot

comment

> on

> > it.Â However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the sublord atÂ

places in

> > his Readers.Â In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar got inspiration to

develope

> > " Four Step Theory " only after readingÂ famous series of articles

" The Sub

> > Lord Speaks " by Mr. K. M. Subramaniam.Â " Four Step Theory " was

the result

> > of his (Mr. Gondhalekar' s) vast experience and research work.

> > > Four Step TheoryÂ is an extension of KP.Â It respects and

honors all KP

> > Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a planet. And if a

planet

> > is supposed to giveÂ result of a house where its star lord is

tenented,

> > logically this should apply to sub also. This is exactly what the

4th step

> > is.

> > > Any further questions are welcome.

> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > Â

> > >

> > > Â

> > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

....>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear members,

> > > > 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in Volume II of

> > Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year 1966. In

page 113

> > " According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow money during

the

> dasa

> > bukthies of

> > > > a) planets in the star or sub of occupants of 6th house

> > > > b) occupants of 6th house

> > > > c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house

> > > > d) lord of 6th house....... ........ "

> > > > Â

> > > > In page 274 of volume II of sagar publication, the same is

repeated

> for

> > the houses 2,5,11.

> > > > Â

> > > > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been taken from

Volume

> > I & II of above sagar publications. The publishers have modified the

> original

> > content of volume II and published as Reader III. For the same

chart, the

> > signlord in volume II is just replaced with sublord in the Reader

III. The

> > originality of Mr.KSK has lost. Reader III is not reliable. But

volume

> I & II

> > of sagar publication is reliable. For comparision, I am giving the

page

> > numbers of volumeii and Reader III

> > > > pages in volume IIÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â

> Â

> > Â Â Â Â Â Pages in Reader III

> > > > 42Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

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Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

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> > > > 61Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

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Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

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> > > > 64Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

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Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

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> > > > 67Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

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Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

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> > > > 74Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

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181

> > > > 98,99Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 204,205

> > > > 130Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 226

> > > > 155Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 254

> > > > 162Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 261

> > > > Â

> > > > 3)Mr.KSK never ever nowhere asked sub's starlord either for

planet or

> > for cusp sublord in the volume I & II of sagar publications. It is

stated

> that

> > Mr.KSK took starlord for sublord with reference to Reader III. Is

there

> any

> > reference in volume I & II of sagar publications for sub's star by

Mr.KSK.

> > > > Regars,

> > > > R.Dhanabalan

> > > >

> > >

> > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to

> > http://in.promos./groups/

> > >

> >

>

July 27, 2008

Dear Dhanabalan,

Excuse me for intervention.

What I understood from my little knowledge of KP, when Guruji KSK says that "Only the planets having the sub signifying 2,7,11 by occupation and ownership will give marriage. The planets having the sub signifying 4,6,10 by occupation and ownership will not give marriage'

according to me it means that "out of the significators of houses 2, 7 and 11 only (if there are more than 3/4 significators) those having sub signifying 2,7, 11 by occuption and ownership will give marriage. Other planets which are not the significators of houses 2, 7, 11 can not give marriage even if they are in the sub of planet signifying 2, 7, 11.

This is what my understanding is, correct me if I am wrong.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 7:51:41 AMRe: Re: 4 step theory : questions

Dear Mr Yogesh Rao Lajmi

Mr.K.S.Krishnamoort hy, the founder of the k.p.system explained in his books, how to choose the significators. According to him,

The planets having beneficial sub are the significators for the event to happen.

For example, for marriage,

Only the planets having the sub signifying 2,7,11 by occupation and ownership will give marriage. The planets having the sub signifying 4,6,10 by occupation and ownership will not give marriage.

When Ruling Planets are used to select the significators, only the planets having beneficial sub to be selected as Ruling planets. Planets having the sub of negating houses should not be taken as Ruling planets.

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Thu, 7/24/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: 4 step theory : questions@gro ups.comThursday, July 24, 2008, 5:41 AM

Dear Mr.Naidu,

The late Mr.Kar had written about this...he suggests the one can go on upto sub-sub or even sub-sub -sub level or even further,till the time that a planet is reopeated... THAT planet will be the strongest significator. ..

Another rule to find out the strongeest significator is also in vogue : "Among the significators arrived at for an event,only those that are posited in the sub of a significator whose star is untenanted.. .are the strongest..."

L.Y.Rao.

GOOD LUCK !

K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comWednesday, 23 July, 2008 8:22:33 PMRe: Re: 4 step theory : questions

Dear Subhash Ji,

Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star lord),and at sublord level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sri K.M.Subrahmanian in his books "KP Astrology for Beginners). In some articles I found sub lord's sub lord also is taken as significator.

Sub lord is a PLANET and hence such planet's star lord may be considered it is said.

Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star lord and sub lord can also be considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a planet. It's star lord and sub also can be considered ? To what extent can it be STRETCHED ?

This not a creticism nor negation of any principle / theoy. Just out of acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.

KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.

naidu KPK. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > Re: 4 step theory : questions@gro ups.comTuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:13 PM

Dear Dhanabalan,

You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr. Krishnamurty, himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this date. It is quite natural that most of the contents of 1966 book are reproduced in Readers since the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati remained the same.

Modifications, as pointed by you, may be due to subsequent research carried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this point very clear in subsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse me, but I do not agree to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is lost.

Since I have not read the Books by Sagar Publications, I cannot comment on it. However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the sublord at places in his Readers. In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar got inspiration to develope "Four Step Theory" only after reading famous series of articles "The Sub Lord Speaks" by Mr. K. M. Subramaniam. "Four Step Theory" was the result of his (Mr. Gondhalekar' s) vast experience and research work.

Four Step Theory is an extension of KP. It respects and honors all KP Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a planet. And if a planet is supposed to give result of a house where its star lord is tenented, logically this should apply to sub also. This is exactly what the 4th step is.

Any further questions are welcome.

Subhash Ektare

@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members,> 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in Volume II of Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year 1966. In page 113 "According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow money during the dasa bukthies of > a) planets in the star or sub of occupants of 6th house> b) occupants of 6th house> c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house> d) lord of 6th house....... ........"> > In page 274 of volume II of sagar publication, the same is repeated for the houses 2,5,11.> > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been taken from Volume I & II of above sagar publications. The publishers have modified the original content of volume II and published as Reader III. For the same chart, the signlord in volume II is just replaced with sublord in the

Reader III. The originality of Mr.KSK has lost. Reader III is not reliable. But volume I & II of sagar publication is reliable. For comparision, I am giving the page numbers of volumeii and Reader III> pages in volume II Pages in Reader III> 42 53>

61 169> 64 171>

67 175> 74 181>

98,99 204,205> 130 226>

155 254> 162 261> > 3)Mr.KSK never ever nowhere asked sub's starlord either for planet or for cusp sublord in the volume I & II of sagar publications. It is stated that Mr.KSK took starlord for sublord with reference

to Reader III. Is there any reference in volume I & II of sagar publications for sub's star by Mr.KSK.> Regars,> R.Dhanabalan>

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July 27, 2008

Dear Vikas

Nothing can be generalized by saying SAT in H(10), unless full

configuration of planets and chart is studied

Regards

RG

On Behalf Of vikas

dharni dharni

Monday, July 28, 2008 1:05 AM

RE: Re: 4 step theory : questions

dear ravinder jee

wht u think abt saturn in the 10 house is that it will not possible to settle

down in the life ever or it gives problem to father bussiness

Regards

Vikas Dharni

Contact:+91-9872234101

Home Page: www.Futurevisionastro..blogspot.com

--- On Sun, 27/7/08, Ravinder Grover <rgrover

wrote:

Ravinder Grover

<rgrover

RE: Re: 4 step theory : questions

Sunday, 27 July, 2008, 5:38 AM

27th July 2008

Dear Subhash ji

Thanks for your email. I have

some further question as follows:

Taking your example:

Step 1: Sub Lord Cusp(7) signifies

houses(2 or 7 or 11) Ã¨ marriage

promised

Step 2: Dasa of Jupiter and Jupiter in

Star Venus Sub Mars

Step 2: Dasa Lord Jupiter DOES

NOT signify marriage

Step 3: Bhukti Lord Venus DOES NOT

signify marriage

Step 4: Sub Lord Mars signify

marriage

Then what will happen?

Regards

RG

@gro

ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Subhash

Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:55 PM

@gro ups.com

Re: 4 step theory : questions

Dear Ravinder ji

I have taken hypothetical case of any planet.

Now assume that the querry is about marriage. 7th sub

lord had indicated that the marriage is promised. And the native is running

Jupiter Dasha.

Jupiter is in the star of Venus

and sub of Mars.

Let us say Jupiter (at planet level) signifies house

2. Its star lord Venus is in 11 and thus signifies 11 in addition

to 3 and 8. So it can be said that Jupiter, at planet level and at

star level, is favorable for marriage in its dasha.

However as stated by Prof KSK, the sub lord (in

this case Mars) has the power to decide wthether marriage should

take place in Jupiter dasha or not. If this sub lord Mars

signifies 1, 6 or 10 (houses 12th to 2, 7 and 11) it will not favor

marriage. But if it signifies ,say, 3, 6, 7 , 9 and 11 it will be

favorable for marriage in Jupiter dasha because it signifies houses 7 and 11.

Thus the role of Mars, in this case, will be to tell

whether Jupiter can give marriage in its dasha or not.

I hope it is clear now.

Regards

@gro ups.com, " Ravinder

Grover " <rgrover wrote:

>

> 24th July 2008

>

> Dear Subhash ji

>

> Can you please give some examples for others to understand this clearly.

>

> What would be the role of Mars ? How Mars will tell whether it is

> Beneficial for JUp or not

>

> Thanks

>

> RG

>

> @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com]

On

> Behalf Of Subhash

> Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:42 AM

> @gro ups.com

> Re: 4 step theory : questions

>

> Dear Mr. Naidu ji and members

>

> The Theory of Guruji KSK is well known to everybody. That the planet

gives

> the results of the house occupied by its Star Lord and the house(s)

owned by

> such star lord. And further that the sub lord decides as to whether

these

> results will be favorable or not.

>

> To explain your doubts in a simple manner let us take a planet Jupiter

in

> the star of Venus and sub of Mars.

>

> When we are working out the significations for a planet Jupiter, it is

> supposed to give the results of the house occupied by Venus-its star

lord-

> and the houses owned by Venus. This is as per KP Principles and

therefore it

> is OK. Your doubt is why the star lord of Venus should not be

considered?

> Then its star lord? Where do we expect to stop this? Mr. Naidu ji I

really

> appriciate your intelligent querry.

>

> My personal views about this, as a student of KP and 4 Step Theory, are

as

> follows:

>

> Since we are considering significations of Jupiter (I repeat, Jupiter

only)

> we have to restrict our analysis up to its star lord level only. In this

> case it is Venus. Star Lord of Venus should be considered ONLY WHEN

> signification of Venus is being worked out.

>

> Now take the case of Sub Lord Mars. Here, Mars has deciding power to

decide

> whether result offered by Jupiter is favorable or not. Nothing beyond

that.

> Signification of Mars will decide this, which is restricted upto star

level

> only. So we have to stop our analysis at this level. We cannot go to the

sub

> level of Mars. Why? Remember, the sub of Mars has no power to decide

about

> results offered by Jupiter. It has power to decide about the results

offered

> b Mars only.

>

> Views of senior members like Mr. L.Y.Rao, Sunil Gondhalekar, Punit

Pandey ji

> will be highly appriciated.

>

> Ragards

>

> Subhash Ektare

>

> @gro ups.com, " K. P. Naidu " konathalan@

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Subhash Ji,

> > Ã‚

> > Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star lord),and at

sublord

> level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sri K.M.Subrahmanian

in

> his books " KPM Astrology for Beginners). In some articles I found

sub lord's

> sub lord also is taken as significator.

> > Sub lord is a PLANET and hence such planet's star lord may be

considered

> it is said.

> > Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star lord and sub

lord

> can also be considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a planet. It's

star

> lord and sub also can be considered ? Ã‚ To what extent can it be

STRETCHED ?

> > This not a creticism nor negation of any principle / theoy. Just

out of

> acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.

> > KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.

> > Ã‚

> > naidu KP

> >

> > K. P. Naidu,

> > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,

> > Nowroji Road,

> > Maharanipeta,

> > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.

> > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.

> >

> > --- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash subhash_ektare@ wrote:

> >

> > Subhash subhash_ektare@

> > Re: 4 step theory : questions

> > @gro ups..com

> > Tuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:13 PM

> >

> > Dear Dhanabalan,

> > You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr. Krishnamurty,

> himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this date.Ã‚ It is quite

> natural that most of the contents of 1966 book are reproduced in Readers

> since the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati remained the same.

> > Modifications, as pointed by you,Ã‚ may be due to subsequent

research

> carried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this pointÃ‚ very clear

inÃ‚

> subsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse me, but I do not

agree

> to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is lost.

> > Since I have not read the Books by Sagar Publications, I cannot

comment on

> it.Ã‚ However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the sublord atÃ‚ places in

> his Readers.Ã‚ In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar got inspiration to develope

> " Four Step Theory " only after readingÃ‚ famous series of

articles " The Sub

> Lord Speaks " by Mr. K. M. Subramaniam.Ã‚ " Four Step

Theory " was the result

> of his (Mr. Gondhalekar' s) vast experience and research work.

> > Four Step TheoryÃ‚ is an extension of KP.Ã‚ It respects and honors

all KP

> Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a planet. And if a

planet

> is supposed to giveÃ‚ result of a house where its star lord is tenented,

> logically this should apply to sub also. This is exactly what the 4th

step

> is.

> > Any further questions are welcome.

> > Subhash Ektare

> > Ã‚

> >

> > Ã‚

> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

.....>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear members,

> > > 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in Volume II of

> Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year 1966. In page

113

> " According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow money during

the dasa

> bukthies of

> > > a) planets in the star or sub of occupants of 6th house

> > > b) occupants of 6th house

> > > c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house

> > > d) lord of 6th house....... ........ "

> > > Ã‚

> > > In page 274 of volume II of sagar publication, the same is

repeated for

> the houses 2,5,11.

> > > Ã‚

> > > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been taken from

Volume

> I & II of above sagar publications. The publishers have modified the

original

> content of volume II and published as Reader III. For the same chart,

the

> signlord in volume II is just replaced with sublord in the Reader III.

The

> originality of Mr.KSK has lost. Reader III is not reliable. But volume

I & II

> of sagar publication is reliable. For comparision, I am giving the page

> numbers of volumeii and Reader III

> > > pages in volume IIÃ‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Pages in Reader III

> > > 42Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 53

> > > 61Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 169

> > > 64Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 171

> > > 67Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 175

> > > 74Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 181

> > > 98,99Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 204,205

> > > 130Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 226

> > > 155Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 254

> > > 162Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚

> Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ Ã‚ 261

> > > Ã‚

> > > 3)Mr.KSK never ever nowhere asked sub's starlord either for

planet or

> for cusp sublord in the volume I & II of sagar publications. It is

stated that

> Mr.KSK took starlord for sublord with reference to Reader III. Is there

any

> reference in volume I & II of sagar publications for sub's star by

Mr.KSK.

> > > Regars,

> > > R.Dhanabalan

> > >

> >

> > Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to

> http://in.promos. / groups/

> >

>

From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Click

here.

July 27, 2008

28th July 2008

Dear R.Dhanabalan ji

What happens for the following example:

1.

SLC(7) promises marriage

2.

Let Dasa of Planet, A

3.

Planet A in Sign(X) Star(Y) Sub(Z)

4.

IF X and Y DO NOT signify (2 or 7or 11) AND Z signifies (2

or 7 or 11) THEN Will the Marriage take place in the Dasa of A?

5.

IF Y and Z DO NOT signify (2 or 7or 11) AND X signifies (2

or 7 or 11) THEN Will the Marriage take place in the Dasa of A?

6.

IF X and Z DO NOT signify (2 or 7or 11) AND Y signifies (2

or 7 or 11) THEN Will the Marriage take place in the Dasa of A?

Regards

RG

On Behalf Of Dhanabalan

R

Sunday, July 27, 2008 7:59 PM

RE: Re: 4 step theory : questions

Dear Ravinder

Grover

1)

With reference to pages 113,114,274,319,320 of Krishnamoorthy Paddhati volume

II of sagar publication in the year 1966, Mr.KSK has considered the planets

in the star & sub of occupants and the planets in the

star & sub of the house lords as significators. This point has been

supressed in the k.p.Reader III, V and VI. The existing four fold

general significator table has to be converted into six fold as below to get

better results according to Mr.K.S.Krishnamoorthy.

House No

Planets

In the

Sub of

occupants

Planets

In the

Star of

occupants

Occupants in the house

Planets

In the

Sub of

House lord

Planets

In the

Star of

House lord

I

II

III

IV

V

VI

VII

VIII

IX

X

XI

XII

Mr.KSK

said that the planets in the sub of occupants of the bhavas 2,7,11 are the

strongest significators for the event marriage. Naturally the significator's

sub belongs to 2,7,11..

Suppose

Jupiter is in 7. Saturn is in the sub of Jupiter(Jupiter has gone as sub

to saturn). So saturn is the significator for marriage signifying 7 in the

sub level.

Suppose

7th lord is Mercury. Mars is in the sub of Mercury(Mercury has gone as

sub to Mars). So Mars is the significator for marriage signifying 7 in the

sub.

I

think it is clear that any planet, whose sublord signifying

2,7,11 by position and ownership will give marriage.

2) In

your example, it is stated that the dasa planet Jupiter is in the sub of

Mars. Mars signifies 2,7,11. Jupiter will give marriage.

In

the six fold table, Jupiter occupies the first rank significator.

3)

In the book Astrosecret part II by Mr.K.Subramaniam, in page 7, he states

as, " ...Sub-lord is not a planet. And this sub lord is also not a

star.... " . Whereas, the sublord is taken as planet in all the

k.p.Readers. Mr.KSK never ever said anywhere in volume I & II of

Krishnamoorthy paddhati that the sublord is a planet.

Regards

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Ravinder Grover <rgrover

wrote:

Ravinder Grover

<rgrover

RE: Re: 4 step theory : questions

Sunday, July 27, 2008, 12:08 AM

27th July 2008

Dear Subhash ji

Thanks for your email. I have some

further question as follows:

Taking your example:

Step 1: Sub Lord Cusp(7) signifies

houses(2 or 7 or 11) è marriage

promised

Step 2: Dasa of Jupiter and Jupiter in

Star Venus Sub Mars

Step 2: Dasa Lord Jupiter DOES

NOT signify marriage

Step 3: Bhukti Lord Venus DOES NOT

signify marriage

Step 4: Sub Lord Mars signify

marriage

Then what will happen?

Regards

RG

@gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On

Behalf Of Subhash

Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:55 PM

@gro ups.com

Re: 4 step theory : questions

Dear Ravinder ji

I have taken hypothetical case of any planet.

Now assume that the querry is about marriage. 7th sub lord had

indicated that the marriage is promised. And the native is running Jupiter

Dasha.

Jupiter is in the star of Venus and sub

of Mars.

Let us say Jupiter (at planet level) signifies house 2. Its

star lord Venus is in 11 and thus signifies 11 in addition to 3 and 8. So it

can be said that Jupiter, at planet level and at star level, is

favorable for marriage in its dasha.

However as stated by Prof KSK, the sub lord (in this case

Mars) has the power to decide wthether marriage should take place in

Jupiter dasha or not. If this sub lord Mars signifies 1,

6 or 10 (houses 12th to 2, 7 and 11) it will not favor marriage. But if

it signifies ,say, 3, 6, 7 , 9 and 11 it will be favorable for marriage in

Jupiter dasha because it signifies houses 7 and 11.

Thus the role of Mars, in this case, will be to tell whether Jupiter can

give marriage in its dasha or not.

I hope it is clear now.

Regards

@gro ups.com, " Ravinder Grover "

<rgrover wrote:

>

> 24th July 2008

>

> Dear Subhash ji

>

> Can you please give some examples for others to understand this clearly.

>

> What would be the role of Mars ? How Mars will tell whether it is

> Beneficial for JUp or not

>

> Thanks

>

> RG

>

> @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com]

On

> Behalf Of Subhash

> Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:42 AM

> @gro ups.com

> Re: 4 step theory : questions

>

> Dear Mr. Naidu ji and members

>

> The Theory of Guruji KSK is well known to everybody. That the planet

gives

> the results of the house occupied by its Star Lord and the house(s)

owned by

> such star lord. And further that the sub lord decides as to whether

these

> results will be favorable or not.

>

> To explain your doubts in a simple manner let us take a planet Jupiter

in

> the star of Venus and sub of Mars.

>

> When we are working out the significations for a planet Jupiter, it is

> supposed to give the results of the house occupied by Venus-its star

lord-

> and the houses owned by Venus. This is as per KP Principles and

therefore it

> is OK. Your doubt is why the star lord of Venus should not be

considered?

> Then its star lord? Where do we expect to stop this? Mr. Naidu ji I

really

> appriciate your intelligent querry.

>

> My personal views about this, as a student of KP and 4 Step Theory, are

as

> follows:

>

> Since we are considering significations of Jupiter (I repeat, Jupiter

only)

> we have to restrict our analysis up to its star lord level only. In this

> case it is Venus. Star Lord of Venus should be considered ONLY WHEN

> signification of Venus is being worked out.

>

> Now take the case of Sub Lord Mars. Here, Mars has deciding power to

decide

> whether result offered by Jupiter is favorable or not. Nothing beyond

that.

> Signification of Mars will decide this, which is restricted upto star

level

> only. So we have to stop our analysis at this level. We cannot go to the

sub

> level of Mars. Why? Remember, the sub of Mars has no power to decide

about

> results offered by Jupiter. It has power to decide about the results

offered

> b Mars only.

>

> Views of senior members like Mr. L.Y.Rao, Sunil Gondhalekar, Punit

Pandey ji

> will be highly appriciated.

>

> Ragards

>

> Subhash Ektare

>

> @gro ups.com, " K. P. Naidu " konathalan@

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Subhash Ji,

> > Â

> > Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star lord),and at

sublord

> level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sri K.M.Subrahmanian

in

> his books " KPM Astrology for Beginners). In some articles I found

sub lord's

> sub lord also is taken as significator.

> > Sub lord is a PLANET and hence such planet's star lord may be

considered

> it is said.

> > Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star lord and sub

lord

> can also be considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a planet. It's

star

> lord and sub also can be considered ? Â To what extent can it be

STRETCHED ?

> > This not a creticism nor negation of any principle / theoy. Just

out of

> acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.

> > KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.

> > Â

> > naidu KP

> >

> > K. P. Naidu,

> > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts..,

> > Nowroji Road,

> > Maharanipeta,

> > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.

> > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.

> >

> > --- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash subhash_ektare@ wrote:

> >

> > Subhash subhash_ektare@

> > Re: 4 step theory : questions

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:13 PM

> >

> > Dear Dhanabalan,

> > You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr. Krishnamurty,

> himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this date.Â It is quite

> natural that most of the contents of 1966 book are reproduced in Readers

> since the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati remained the same.

> > Modifications, as pointed by you,Â may be due to subsequent

research

> carried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this pointÂ very clear

inÂ

> subsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse me, but I do not

agree

> to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is lost.

> > Since I have not read the Books by Sagar Publications, I cannot

comment on

> it.Â However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the sublord atÂ places in

> his Readers.Â In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar got inspiration to develope

> " Four Step Theory " only after readingÂ famous series of

articles " The Sub

> Lord Speaks " by Mr. K. M. Subramaniam..Â " Four Step

Theory " was the result

> of his (Mr. Gondhalekar' s) vast experience and research work.

> > Four Step TheoryÂ is an extension of KP.Â It respects and honors

all KP

> Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a planet. And if a

planet

> is supposed to giveÂ result of a house where its star lord is tenented,

> logically this should apply to sub also. This is exactly what the 4th

step

> is.

> > Any further questions are welcome.

> > Subhash Ektare

> > Â

> >

> > Â

> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

.....>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear members,

> > > 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in Volume II of

> Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year 1966. In page

113

> " According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow money during

the dasa

> bukthies of

> > > a) planets in the star or sub of occupants of 6th house

> > > b) occupants of 6th house

> > > c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house

> > > d) lord of 6th house....... ........ "

> > > Â

> > > In page 274 of volume II of sagar publication, the same is

repeated for

> the houses 2,5,11.

> > > Â

> > > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been taken from

Volume

> I & II of above sagar publications. The publishers have modified the

original

> content of volume II and published as Reader III. For the same chart,

the

> signlord in volume II is just replaced with sublord in the Reader III.

The

> originality of Mr.KSK has lost. Reader III is not reliable. But volume

I & II

> of sagar publication is reliable. For comparision, I am giving the page

> numbers of volumeii and Reader III

> > > pages in volume IIÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â

> Â Â Â Â Â Pages in Reader III

> > > 42Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 53

> > > 61Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 169

> > > 64Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

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July 28, 2008

Dear Dhanbalan,

I do fully agree the explanation given by Mr. Subhash Ektare.

To select significators for marriage we have to see that firstly the planets should signify houses II, VII and/or XI either by occupation, ownership, conjunction or aspect. Then only the question or urge for marriages. Among those planets the ones which occupy the sub of a planet which happens to be significator of II, VII or XI are to be considered to be strong to give marriage. The ones which occupy the sub of planets which do not signify at least one of those three houses but they signify any of IV, VI or X, then the significators will not give marriage during their periods. Comments invited.

Dr. Luther--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare wrote:

Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektareRe: Re: 4 step theory : questions Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 9:17 PM

Dear Dhanabalan,

Excuse me for intervention.

What I understood from my little knowledge of KP, when Guruji KSK says that "Only the planets having the sub signifying 2,7,11 by occupation and ownership will give marriage. The planets having the sub signifying 4,6,10 by occupation and ownership will not give marriage'

according to me it means that "out of the significators of houses 2, 7 and 11 only (if there are more than 3/4 significators) those having sub signifying 2,7, 11 by occuption and ownership will give marriage. Other planets which are not the significators of houses 2, 7, 11 can not give marriage even if they are in the sub of planet signifying 2, 7, 11.

This is what my understanding is, correct me if I am wrong.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comThursday, July 24, 2008 7:51:41 AMRe: Re: 4 step theory : questions

Dear Mr Yogesh Rao Lajmi

Mr.K.S.Krishnamoort hy, the founder of the k.p.system explained in his books, how to choose the significators. According to him,

The planets having beneficial sub are the significators for the event to happen.

For example, for marriage,

Only the planets having the sub signifying 2,7,11 by occupation and ownership will give marriage. The planets having the sub signifying 4,6,10 by occupation and ownership will not give marriage.

When Ruling Planets are used to select the significators, only the planets having beneficial sub to be selected as Ruling planets. Planets having the sub of negating houses should not be taken as Ruling planets.

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Thu, 7/24/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: 4 step theory : questions@gro ups.comThursday, July 24, 2008, 5:41 AM

Dear Mr.Naidu,

The late Mr.Kar had written about this...he suggests the one can go on upto sub-sub or even sub-sub -sub level or even further,till the time that a planet is reopeated... THAT planet will be the strongest significator. ..

Another rule to find out the strongeest significator is also in vogue : "Among the significators arrived at for an event,only those that are posited in the sub of a significator whose star is untenanted.. .are the strongest..."

L.Y.Rao.

GOOD LUCK !

K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comWednesday, 23 July, 2008 8:22:33 PMRe: Re: 4 step theory : questions

Dear Subhash Ji,

Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star lord),and at sublord level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sri K.M.Subrahmanian in his books "KP Astrology for Beginners). In some articles I found sub lord's sub lord also is taken as significator.

Sub lord is a PLANET and hence such planet's star lord may be considered it is said.

Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star lord and sub lord can also be considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a planet. It's star lord and sub also can be considered ? To what extent can it be STRETCHED ?

This not a creticism nor negation of any principle / theoy. Just out of acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.

KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.

naidu KPK. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > Re: 4 step theory : questions@gro ups.comTuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:13 PM

Dear Dhanabalan,

You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr. Krishnamurty, himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this date. It is quite natural that most of the contents of 1966 book are reproduced in Readers since the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati remained the same.

Modifications, as pointed by you, may be due to subsequent research carried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this point very clear in subsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse me, but I do not agree to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is lost.

Since I have not read the Books by Sagar Publications, I cannot comment on it. However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the sublord at places in his Readers. In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar got inspiration to develope "Four Step Theory" only after reading famous series of articles "The Sub Lord Speaks" by Mr. K. M. Subramaniam. "Four Step Theory" was the result of his (Mr. Gondhalekar' s) vast experience and research work.

Four Step Theory is an extension of KP. It respects and honors all KP Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a planet. And if a planet is supposed to give result of a house where its star lord is tenented, logically this should apply to sub also. This is exactly what the 4th step is.

Any further questions are welcome.

Subhash Ektare

@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members,> 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in Volume II of Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year 1966. In page 113 "According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow money during the dasa bukthies of > a) planets in the star or sub of occupants of 6th house> b) occupants of 6th house> c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house> d) lord of 6th house....... ........"> > In page 274 of volume II of sagar publication, the same is repeated for the houses 2,5,11.> > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been taken from Volume I & II of above sagar publications. The publishers have modified the original content of volume II and published as Reader III. For the same chart, the signlord in volume II is just replaced with sublord in

the Reader III. The originality of Mr.KSK has lost. Reader III is not reliable. But volume I & II of sagar publication is reliable. For comparision, I am giving the page numbers of volumeii and Reader III> pages in volume II Pages in Reader III> 42 53>

61 169> 64 171>

67 175> 74 181>

98,99 204,205> 130 226>

155 254> 162 261> > 3)Mr.KSK never ever nowhere asked sub's starlord either for planet or for cusp sublord in the volume I & II of sagar publications. It is stated that Mr.KSK took starlord for sublord with reference

to Reader III. Is there any reference in volume I & II of sagar publications for sub's star by Mr.KSK.> Regars,> R.Dhanabalan>

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July 28, 2008

Dear Ravinder Grover

According to Mr.K.S.Krishnamoorthy, whether the planet X and the star Y signifies 2,7,11 or 4,6,10 is not the matter. Whether the sublord Z signifies 2,7,11 is the matter. If Z signifies 2,7,11 then marriage will happen. If Z signifies 4,6,10 then there is no marriage in that period.

This is what Mr.KSK told. Construct six fold table and find out the strongest significator like in fourfold. Forget the four fold system.

R.Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Ravinder Grover <rgrover wrote:

Ravinder Grover <rgroverRE: Re: 4 step theory : questions Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 9:31 PM

28th July 2008

Dear R.Dhanabalan ji

What happens for the following example:

1. SLC(7) promises marriage

2. Let Dasa of Planet, A

3. Planet A in Sign(X) Star(Y) Sub(Z)

4. IF X and Y DO NOT signify (2 or 7or 11) AND Z signifies (2 or 7 or 11) THEN Will the Marriage take place in the Dasa of A?

5. IF Y and Z DO NOT signify (2 or 7or 11) AND X signifies (2 or 7 or 11) THEN Will the Marriage take place in the Dasa of A?

6. IF X and Z DO NOT signify (2 or 7or 11) AND Y signifies (2 or 7 or 11) THEN Will the Marriage take place in the Dasa of A?

Regards

RG

@gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Dhanabalan RSunday, July 27, 2008 7:59 PM@gro ups.comRE: Re: 4 step theory : questions

Dear Ravinder Grover

1) With reference to pages 113,114,274, 319,320 of Krishnamoorthy Paddhati volume II of sagar publication in the year 1966, Mr.KSK has considered the planets in the star & sub of occupants and the planets in the star & sub of the house lords as significators. This point has been supressed in the k.p.Reader III, V and VI. The existing four fold general significator table has to be converted into six fold as below to get better results according to Mr.K.S.Krishnamoort hy.

House No

Planets

In the

Sub of

occupants

Planets

In the

Star of

occupants

Occupants in the house

Planets

In the

Sub of

House lord

Planets

In the

Star of

House lord

I

II

III

IV

V

VI

VII

VIII

IX

X

XI

XII

Mr.KSK said that the planets in the sub of occupants of the bhavas 2,7,11 are the strongest significators for the event marriage. Naturally the significator' s sub belongs to 2,7,11..

Suppose Jupiter is in 7. Saturn is in the sub of Jupiter(Jupiter has gone as sub to saturn). So saturn is the significator for marriage signifying 7 in the sub level.

Suppose 7th lord is Mercury. Mars is in the sub of Mercury(Mercury has gone as sub to Mars). So Mars is the significator for marriage signifying 7 in the sub.

I think it is clear that any planet, whose sublord signifying 2,7,11 by position and ownership will give marriage.

2) In your example, it is stated that the dasa planet Jupiter is in the sub of Mars. Mars signifies 2,7,11. Jupiter will give marriage.

In the six fold table, Jupiter occupies the first rank significator.

3) In the book Astrosecret part II by Mr.K.Subramaniam, in page 7, he states as,"...Sub-lord is not a planet. And this sub lord is also not a star....". Whereas, the sublord is taken as planet in all the k.p.Readers. Mr.KSK never ever said anywhere in volume I & II of Krishnamoorthy paddhati that the sublord is a planet.

Regards

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Ravinder Grover <rgrover (AT) xtra (DOT) co.nz> wrote:

Ravinder Grover <rgrover (AT) xtra (DOT) co.nz>RE: Re: 4 step theory : questions@gro ups.comSunday, July 27, 2008, 12:08 AM

27th July 2008

Dear Subhash ji

Thanks for your email. I have some further question as follows:

Taking your example:

Step 1: Sub Lord Cusp(7) signifies houses(2 or 7 or 11) è marriage promised

Step 2: Dasa of Jupiter and Jupiter in Star Venus Sub Mars

Step 2: Dasa Lord Jupiter DOES NOT signify marriage

Step 3: Bhukti Lord Venus DOES NOT signify marriage

Step 4: Sub Lord Mars signify marriage

Then what will happen?

Regards

RG

@gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of SubhashThursday, July 24, 2008 6:55 PM@gro ups.com Re: 4 step theory : questions

Dear Ravinder ji

I have taken hypothetical case of any planet.

Now assume that the querry is about marriage. 7th sub lord had indicated that the marriage is promised. And the native is running Jupiter Dasha.

Jupiter is in the star of Venus and sub of Mars.

Let us say Jupiter (at planet level) signifies house 2. Its star lord Venus is in 11 and thus signifies 11 in addition to 3 and 8. So it can be said that Jupiter, at planet level and at star level, is favorable for marriage in its dasha.

However as stated by Prof KSK, the sub lord (in this case Mars) has the power to decide wthether marriage should take place in Jupiter dasha or not. If this sub lord Mars signifies 1, 6 or 10 (houses 12th to 2, 7 and 11) it will not favor marriage. But if it signifies ,say, 3, 6, 7 , 9 and 11 it will be favorable for marriage in Jupiter dasha because it signifies houses 7 and 11.

Thus the role of Mars, in this case, will be to tell whether Jupiter can give marriage in its dasha or not.

I hope it is clear now.

Regards

@gro ups.com, "Ravinder Grover" <rgrover wrote:>> 24th July 2008> > > > Dear Subhash ji> > > > Can you please give some examples for others to understand this clearly.> > > > What would be the role of Mars ? How Mars will tell whether it is> Beneficial for JUp or not> > > > Thanks> > RG> > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On> Behalf Of Subhash> Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:42 AM> @gro ups.com> Re: 4 step theory : questions> > > > Dear Mr. Naidu ji and members> > The Theory of Guruji KSK is well known to everybody. That the planet

gives> the results of the house occupied by its Star Lord and the house(s) owned by> such star lord. And further that the sub lord decides as to whether these> results will be favorable or not.> > To explain your doubts in a simple manner let us take a planet Jupiter in> the star of Venus and sub of Mars. > > When we are working out the significations for a planet Jupiter, it is> supposed to give the results of the house occupied by Venus-its star lord-> and the houses owned by Venus. This is as per KP Principles and therefore it> is OK. Your doubt is why the star lord of Venus should not be considered?> Then its star lord? Where do we expect to stop this? Mr. Naidu ji I really> appriciate your intelligent querry.> > My personal views about this, as a student of KP and 4 Step Theory, are as> follows:> > Since we are considering

significations of Jupiter (I repeat, Jupiter only)> we have to restrict our analysis up to its star lord level only. In this> case it is Venus. Star Lord of Venus should be considered ONLY WHEN> signification of Venus is being worked out.> > Now take the case of Sub Lord Mars. Here, Mars has deciding power to decide> whether result offered by Jupiter is favorable or not. Nothing beyond that.> Signification of Mars will decide this, which is restricted upto star level> only. So we have to stop our analysis at this level. We cannot go to the sub> level of Mars. Why? Remember, the sub of Mars has no power to decide about> results offered by Jupiter. It has power to decide about the results offered> b Mars only.> > Views of senior members like Mr. L.Y.Rao, Sunil Gondhalekar, Punit Pandey ji> will be highly appriciated.> > Ragards> >

Subhash Ektare> > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "K. P. Naidu" konathalan@ wrote:> >> > Dear Subhash Ji,> > Â > > Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star lord),and at sublord> level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sri K.M.Subrahmanian in> his books "KPM Astrology for Beginners). In some articles I found sub lord's> sub lord also is taken as significator. > > Sub lord is a PLANET and hence such planet's star lord may be considered> it is said.> > Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star lord and sub lord> can also be considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a planet. It's star> lord and sub also can be considered ? Â To what extent can it be STRETCHED ?> > This not a creticism nor negation of any principle / theoy. Just out

of> acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.> > KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.> > Â > > naidu KP> > > > K. P. Naidu,> > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts...,> > Nowroji Road,> > Maharanipeta,> > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.> > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.> > > > --- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash subhash_ektare@ wrote:> > > > Subhash subhash_ektare@> > Re: 4 step theory : questions> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:13 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan,> > You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr. Krishnamurty,> himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this date.Â It is quite> natural that most

of the contents of 1966 book are reproduced in Readers> since the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati remained the same. > > Modifications, as pointed by you,Â may be due to subsequent research> carried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this pointÂ very clear inÂ> subsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse me, but I do not agree> to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is lost.> > Since I have not read the Books by Sagar Publications, I cannot comment on> it.Â However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the sublord atÂ places in> his Readers.Â In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar got inspiration to develope> "Four Step Theory" only after readingÂ famous series of articles "The Sub> Lord Speaks" by Mr. K. M. Subramaniam.. .Â "Four Step Theory" was the result> of his (Mr. Gondhalekar' s) vast experience and research work. > > Four Step TheoryÂ is an

extension of KP.Â It respects and honors all KP> Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a planet. And if a planet> is supposed to giveÂ result of a house where its star lord is tenented,> logically this should apply to sub also. This is exactly what the 4th step> is. > > Any further questions are welcome.> > Subhash Ektare> > Â > > > > Â > > Â > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ....>> wrote:> > >> > > Dear members,> > > 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in Volume II of> Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year 1966. In page 113> "According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow money during the dasa> bukthies of > > > a) planets in the star or sub of occupants of 6th house> > > b)

occupants of 6th house> > > c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house> > > d) lord of 6th house....... ........"> > > Â > > > In page 274 of volume II of sagar publication, the same is repeated for> the houses 2,5,11.> > > Â > > > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been taken from Volume> I & II of above sagar publications. The publishers have modified the original> content of volume II and published as Reader III. For the same chart, the> signlord in volume II is just replaced with sublord in the Reader III. The> originality of Mr.KSK has lost. Reader III is not reliable. But volume I & II> of sagar publication is reliable. For comparision, I am giving the page> numbers of volumeii and Reader III> > > pages in volume IIÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

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July 28, 2008

Dear Subhash

Your are correct.

For marriage, only the houses 2,7,11 are to be taken. Other houses need not be considered.

Only the planets in the sub sgnifying 2,7,11 will give marriage. If the sub signifies 6 and 7, then there are struggles in marriage in that period but marriage will happen.

Try to practice six fold general significator table instead of present 4 fold table. Then you will realise what Mr.KSK told.

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare wrote:

Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektareRe: Re: 4 step theory : questions Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 9:17 PM

Dear Dhanabalan,

Excuse me for intervention.

What I understood from my little knowledge of KP, when Guruji KSK says that "Only the planets having the sub signifying 2,7,11 by occupation and ownership will give marriage. The planets having the sub signifying 4,6,10 by occupation and ownership will not give marriage'

according to me it means that "out of the significators of houses 2, 7 and 11 only (if there are more than 3/4 significators) those having sub signifying 2,7, 11 by occuption and ownership will give marriage. Other planets which are not the significators of houses 2, 7, 11 can not give marriage even if they are in the sub of planet signifying 2, 7, 11.

This is what my understanding is, correct me if I am wrong.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comThursday, July 24, 2008 7:51:41 AMRe: Re: 4 step theory : questions

Dear Mr Yogesh Rao Lajmi

Mr.K.S.Krishnamoort hy, the founder of the k.p.system explained in his books, how to choose the significators. According to him,

The planets having beneficial sub are the significators for the event to happen.

For example, for marriage,

Only the planets having the sub signifying 2,7,11 by occupation and ownership will give marriage. The planets having the sub signifying 4,6,10 by occupation and ownership will not give marriage.

When Ruling Planets are used to select the significators, only the planets having beneficial sub to be selected as Ruling planets. Planets having the sub of negating houses should not be taken as Ruling planets.

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Thu, 7/24/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: 4 step theory : questions@gro ups.comThursday, July 24, 2008, 5:41 AM

Dear Mr.Naidu,

The late Mr.Kar had written about this...he suggests the one can go on upto sub-sub or even sub-sub -sub level or even further,till the time that a planet is reopeated... THAT planet will be the strongest significator. ..

Another rule to find out the strongeest significator is also in vogue : "Among the significators arrived at for an event,only those that are posited in the sub of a significator whose star is untenanted.. .are the strongest..."

L.Y.Rao.

GOOD LUCK !

K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comWednesday, 23 July, 2008 8:22:33 PMRe: Re: 4 step theory : questions

Dear Subhash Ji,

Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star lord),and at sublord level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sri K.M.Subrahmanian in his books "KP Astrology for Beginners). In some articles I found sub lord's sub lord also is taken as significator.

Sub lord is a PLANET and hence such planet's star lord may be considered it is said.

Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star lord and sub lord can also be considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a planet. It's star lord and sub also can be considered ? To what extent can it be STRETCHED ?

This not a creticism nor negation of any principle / theoy. Just out of acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.

KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.

naidu KPK. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > Re: 4 step theory : questions@gro ups.comTuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:13 PM

Dear Dhanabalan,

You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr. Krishnamurty, himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this date. It is quite natural that most of the contents of 1966 book are reproduced in Readers since the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati remained the same.

Modifications, as pointed by you, may be due to subsequent research carried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this point very clear in subsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse me, but I do not agree to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is lost.

Since I have not read the Books by Sagar Publications, I cannot comment on it. However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the sublord at places in his Readers. In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar got inspiration to develope "Four Step Theory" only after reading famous series of articles "The Sub Lord Speaks" by Mr. K. M. Subramaniam. "Four Step Theory" was the result of his (Mr. Gondhalekar' s) vast experience and research work.

Four Step Theory is an extension of KP. It respects and honors all KP Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a planet. And if a planet is supposed to give result of a house where its star lord is tenented, logically this should apply to sub also. This is exactly what the 4th step is.

Any further questions are welcome.

Subhash Ektare

@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members,> 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in Volume II of Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year 1966. In page 113 "According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow money during the dasa bukthies of > a) planets in the star or sub of occupants of 6th house> b) occupants of 6th house> c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house> d) lord of 6th house....... ........"> > In page 274 of volume II of sagar publication, the same is repeated for the houses 2,5,11.> > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been taken from Volume I & II of above sagar publications. The publishers have modified the original content of volume II and published as Reader III. For the same chart, the signlord in volume II is just replaced with sublord in the

Reader III. The originality of Mr.KSK has lost. Reader III is not reliable. But volume I & II of sagar publication is reliable. For comparision, I am giving the page numbers of volumeii and Reader III> pages in volume II Pages in Reader III> 42 53>

61 169> 64 171>

67 175> 74 181>

98,99 204,205> 130 226>

155 254> 162 261> > 3)Mr.KSK never ever nowhere asked sub's starlord either for planet or for cusp sublord in the volume I & II of sagar publications. It is stated that Mr.KSK took starlord for sublord with reference

to Reader III. Is there any reference in volume I & II of sagar publications for sub's star by Mr.KSK.> Regars,> R.Dhanabalan>

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Dear Subhash,

Subs signifying 2or7or11 should not simultaneously

signify 1,or4,or6,or10 houses.They are mutually conflicting.This is

my understanding.

Regards,

Satish

, Subhash Ektare

<subhash_ektare wrote:

>

> Dear Dhanabalan,

> Excuse me for intervention.

> What I understood from my little knowledge of KP, when Guruji KSK

says that " Only the planets having the sub signifying 2,7,11 by

occupation and ownership will give marriage. The planets having the

sub signifying 4,6,10 by occupation and ownership will not give

marriage'

> according to me it means that " out of the significators of houses

2, 7 and 11 only (if there are more than 3/4 significators) those

having sub signifying 2,7, 11 by occuption and ownership will give

marriage. Other planets which are not the significators of houses 2,

7, 11 can not give marriage even if they are in the sub of planet

signifying 2, 7, 11.

> This is what my understanding is, correct me if I am wrong.

> Regards

> Subhash Ektare

>

> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

>

> Thursday, July 24, 2008 7:51:41 AM

> Re: Re: 4 step theory : questions

>

> Dear Mr Yogesh Rao Lajmi

>

> Mr.K.S.Krishnamoort hy, the founder of the k.p.system explained in

his books, how to choose the significators. According to him,

>

> The planets having beneficial sub are the significators for the

event to happen.

>

> For example, for marriage,

> Only the planets having the sub signifying 2,7,11 by occupation and

ownership will give marriage. The planets having the sub signifying

4,6,10 by occupation and ownership will not give marriage.

>

> When Ruling Planets are used to select the significators, only the

planets having beneficial sub to be selected as Ruling planets.

Planets having the sub of negating houses should not be taken as

Ruling planets.

>

> R.Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Thu, 7/24/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

wrote:

>

> Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> Re: Re: 4 step theory : questions

> @gro ups.com

> Thursday, July 24, 2008, 5:41 AM

>

> Dear Mr.Naidu,

> The late Mr.Kar had written about this...he

suggests the one can go on upto sub-sub or even sub-sub -sub level or

even further,till the time that a planet is reopeated... THAT planet

will be the strongest significator. ..

> Another rule to find out the strongeest

significator is also in vogue : " Among the significators arrived at

for an event,only those that are posited in the sub of a significator

whose star is untenanted.. .are the strongest... "

> L.Y.Rao.

> GOOD LUCK !

>

> K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> @gro ups.com

> Wednesday, 23 July, 2008 8:22:33 PM

> Re: Re: 4 step theory : questions

>

> Dear Subhash Ji,

>

> Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star lord),and at

sublord level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sri

K.M.Subrahmanian in his books " KP Astrology for Beginners). In some

articles I found sub lord's sub lord also is taken as significator.

> Sub lord is a PLANET and hence such planet's star lord may be

considered it is said.

> Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star lord and sub

lord can also be considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a planet.

It's star lord and sub also can be considered ? To what extent can

it be STRETCHED ?

> This not a creticism nor negation of any principle / theoy. Just

out of acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.

> KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.

>

> naidu KP

>

> K. P. Naidu,

> Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,

> Nowroji Road,

> Maharanipeta,

> VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.

> Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.

>

> --- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

>

> Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >

> Re: 4 step theory : questions

> @gro ups.com

> Tuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:13 PM

>

> Dear Dhanabalan,

> You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr. Krishnamurty,

himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this date. It is

quite natural that most of the contents of 1966 book are reproduced

in Readers since the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati remained the

same.

> Modifications, as pointed by you, may be due to subsequent

research carried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this point

very clear in subsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse

me, but I do not agree to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is

lost.

> Since I have not read the Books by Sagar Publications, I cannot

comment on it. However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the sublord

at places in his Readers. In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar got

inspiration to develope " Four Step Theory " only after reading famous

series of articles " The Sub Lord Speaks " by Mr. K. M.

Subramaniam. " Four Step Theory " was the result of his (Mr.

Gondhalekar' s) vast experience and research work.

> Four Step Theory is an extension of KP. It respects and honors

all KP Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a planet. And

if a planet is supposed to give result of a house where its star

lord is tenented, logically this should apply to sub also. This is

exactly what the 4th step is.

> Any further questions are welcome.

> Subhash Ektare

>

> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

<r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear members,

> > 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in Volume II of

Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year 1966. In

page 113 " According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow money

during the dasa bukthies of

> > a) planets in the star or sub of occupants of 6th house

> > b) occupants of 6th house

> > c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house

> > d) lord of 6th house....... ........ "

> >

> > In page 274 of volume II of sagar publication, the same is

repeated for the houses 2,5,11.

> >

> > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been taken from

Volume I & II of above sagar publications. The publishers have modified

the original content of volume II and published as Reader III. For

the same chart, the signlord in volume II is just replaced with

sublord in the Reader III. The originality of Mr.KSK has lost. Reader

III is not reliable. But volume I & II of sagar publication is

reliable. For comparision, I am giving the page numbers of volumeii

and Reader III

> > pages in volume II Pages in

Reader III

> > 42 53

> > 61 169

> > 64

171

> > 67

175

> > 74

181

> > 98,99

204,205

> > 130

226

> > 155

254

> > 162

261

> >

> > 3)Mr.KSK never ever nowhere asked sub's starlord either for

planet or for cusp sublord in the volume I & II of sagar publications.

It is stated that Mr.KSK took starlord for sublord with reference to

Reader III. Is there any reference in volume I & II of sagar

publications for sub's star by Mr.KSK.

> > Regars,

> > R.Dhanabalan

> >

>

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July 28, 2008

Respected Subhashji and Sunilji,

Sir,

Subhashji,I am afraid I do not agree with your view here.If the Sub

of a planet has deciding powers, it becomes 4-step theory. In

traditional KP, as laid down by Guruji, the sub of a planet has only

indicative powers-not deciding ones.

It makes no difference whether Jupiter ia Mahadasha swami or

otherwise,it is a planet.If the Sub of a planet has, as you say,

deciding powers in traditional KP also, as laid down by our revered

KSK,in what way four-step theory differs from it?

I would request Sunilji,the author of four step theory, to please

give his opinion.

best regards,

sujat. , " Subhash "

<subhash_ektare wrote:

>

> Dear Sujatkaram,

>

> In my posting I have taken Planet Jupiter arbitrarily as an

example.

> And I have assumed its dasha is running. It has nothing to do with

7th

> house.

>

> The 7th house sub lord (may be any planet not necessarily Mars) has

> promised the marriage. This sub will decide whether marriage will be

> favorable or not. Yes, your understanding of Guruji's dictum is

> perfect. However I think you have mistaken Mars to be 7th sub lord

which

> is not the case here.

>

> Mars, which is the sub lord of Jupiter (Dasha Lord), has power to

decide

> whether Jupiter (as dasha lord) will give marriage in its dasha or

not.

> It has no power to say whether marriage will be favorable or not.

This

> is jurisdiction of the 7th sub lord.

>

> I hope this clears my views.

>

> Regards,

>

> Subhash Ektare

>

, " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Subhashji,

> > Sir,

> > In my opinion, it is according to 4-step theory that Mars, as the

Sub

> > of Jupiter,has powers to decide whether marriage will take place

or

> > otherwise.

> > According to Guruji,s dictum, Mars, as Sub, will indicate whether

> > marriage will be favourable or not i.e. whether marriage will

produce

> > favourable results as desired,or not.

> >

> > Please correct me if I am wrong.

> > sujatkaram , " Subhash "

> > subhash_ektare@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ravinder ji

> > >

> > > I have taken hypothetical case of any planet.

> > >

> > > Now assume that the querry is about marriage. 7th sub lord had

> > indicated

> > > that the marriage is promised. And the native is running Jupiter

> > Dasha.

> > >

> > > Jupiter is in the star of Venus and sub of Mars.

> > >

> > > Let us say Jupiter (at planet level) signifies house 2. Its star

> > lord

> > > Venus is in 11 and thus signifies 11 in addition to 3 and 8. So

it

> > can

> > > be said that Jupiter, at planet level and at star level, is

> > favorable

> > > for marriage in its dasha.

> > >

> > > However as stated by Prof KSK, the sub lord (in this case Mars)

> > has the

> > > power to decide wthether marriage should take place in Jupiter

> > dasha or

> > > not. If this sub lord Mars signifies 1, 6 or 10 (houses 12th to

> > 2, 7

> > > and 11) it will not favor marriage. But if it signifies ,say, 3,

> > 6, 7 ,

> > > 9 and 11 it will be favorable for marriage in Jupiter dasha

because

> > it

> > > signifies houses 7 and 11.

> > >

> > > Thus the role of Mars, in this case, will be to tell whether

> > Jupiter can

> > > give marriage in its dasha or not.

> > >

> > > I hope it is clear now.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > , " Ravinder Grover " <rgrover@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > 24th July 2008

> > > >

> > > > Dear Subhash ji

> > > >

> > > > Can you please give some examples for others to understand

this

> > > clearly.

> > > >

> > > > What would be the role of Mars ? How Mars will tell whether

it is

> > > > Beneficial for JUp or not

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > > RG

> > > >

> >

> > > On

> > > > Behalf Of Subhash

> > > > Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:42 AM

> > > >

> > > > Re: 4 step theory : questions

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr. Naidu ji and members

> > > >

> > > > The Theory of Guruji KSK is well known to everybody. That the

> > planet

> > > gives

> > > > the results of the house occupied by its Star Lord and the

house

> > (s)

> > > owned by

> > > > such star lord. And further that the sub lord decides as to

> > whether

> > > these

> > > > results will be favorable or not.

> > > >

> > > > To explain your doubts in a simple manner let us take a planet

> > Jupiter

> > > in

> > > > the star of Venus and sub of Mars.

> > > >

> > > > When we are working out the significations for a planet

Jupiter,

> > it is

> > > > supposed to give the results of the house occupied by Venus-

its

> > star

> > > lord-

> > > > and the houses owned by Venus. This is as per KP Principles

and

> > > therefore it

> > > > is OK. Your doubt is why the star lord of Venus should not be

> > > considered?

> > > > Then its star lord? Where do we expect to stop this? Mr.

Naidu ji

> > I

> > > really

> > > > appriciate your intelligent querry.

> > > >

> > > > My personal views about this, as a student of KP and 4 Step

> > Theory,

> > > are as

> > > > follows:

> > > >

> > > > Since we are considering significations of Jupiter (I repeat,

> > Jupiter

> > > only)

> > > > we have to restrict our analysis up to its star lord level

only.

> > In

> > > this

> > > > case it is Venus. Star Lord of Venus should be considered ONLY

> > WHEN

> > > > signification of Venus is being worked out.

> > > >

> > > > Now take the case of Sub Lord Mars. Here, Mars has deciding

power

> > to

> > > decide

> > > > whether result offered by Jupiter is favorable or not. Nothing

> > beyond

> > > that.

> > > > Signification of Mars will decide this, which is restricted

upto

> > star

> > > level

> > > > only. So we have to stop our analysis at this level. We

cannot go

> > to

> > > the sub

> > > > level of Mars. Why? Remember, the sub of Mars has no power to

> > decide

> > > about

> > > > results offered by Jupiter. It has power to decide about the

> > results

> > > offered

> > > > b Mars only.

> > > >

> > > > Views of senior members like Mr. L.Y.Rao, Sunil Gondhalekar,

Punit

> > > Pandey ji

> > > > will be highly appriciated.

> > > >

> > > > Ragards

> > > >

> > > > Subhash Ektare

> > > >

> > > > , " K. P. Naidu " konathalan@

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Subhash Ji,

> > > > > Â

> > > > > Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star

lord),and at

> > > sublord

> > > > level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sri

> > > K.M.Subrahmanian in

> > > > his books " KPM Astrology for Beginners). In some articles I

found

> > sub

> > > lord's

> > > > sub lord also is taken as significator.

> > > > > Sub lord is a PLANET and hence such planet's star lord may

be

> > > considered

> > > > it is said.

> > > > > Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star lord

and

> > sub

> > > lord

> > > > can also be considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a

planet.

> > It's

> > > star

> > > > lord and sub also can be considered ? Â To what extent can it

> be

> > > STRETCHED ?

> > > > > This not a creticism nor negation of any principle / theoy.

> > Just out

> > > of

> > > > acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.

> > > > > KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.

> > > > > Â

> > > > > naidu KP

> > > > >

> > > > > K. P. Naidu,

> > > > > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,

> > > > > Nowroji Road,

> > > > > Maharanipeta,

> > > > > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.

> > > > > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash subhash_ektare@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Subhash subhash_ektare@

> > > > > Re: 4 step theory : questions

> > > > >

> > > > > Tuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:13 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Dhanabalan,

> > > > > You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr.

> > Krishnamurty,

> > > > himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this date.Â

It

> is

> > > quite

> > > > natural that most of the contents of 1966 book are reproduced

in

> > > Readers

> > > > since the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati remained the same.

> > > > > Modifications, as pointed by you,Â may be due to subsequent

> > > research

> > > > carried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this pointÂ

very

> > > clear inÂ

> > > > subsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse me, but I

do

> > not

> > > agree

> > > > to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is lost.

> > > > > Since I have not read the Books by Sagar Publications, I

cannot

> > > comment on

> > > > it.Â However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the sublord

> atÂ

> > > places in

> > > > his Readers.Â In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar got inspiration to

> > > develope

> > > > " Four Step Theory " only after readingÂ famous series of

> articles

> > > " The Sub

> > > > Lord Speaks " by Mr. K. M. Subramaniam.Â " Four Step Theory " was

> the

> > > result

> > > > of his (Mr. Gondhalekar' s) vast experience and research work.

> > > > > Four Step TheoryÂ is an extension of KP.Â It respects and

> > > honors all KP

> > > > Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a planet.

And if

> > a

> > > planet

> > > > is supposed to giveÂ result of a house where its star lord is

> > > tenented,

> > > > logically this should apply to sub also. This is exactly what

the

> > 4th

> > > step

> > > > is.

> > > > > Any further questions are welcome.

> > > > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > Â

> > > > >

> > > > > Â

> > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

> > <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear members,

> > > > > > 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in Volume II

of

> > > > Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year

1966. In

> > page

> > > 113

> > > > " According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow money

> > during the

> > > dasa

> > > > bukthies of

> > > > > > a) planets in the star or sub of occupants of 6th house

> > > > > > b) occupants of 6th house

> > > > > > c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house

> > > > > > d) lord of 6th house....... ........ "

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > > In page 274 of volume II of sagar publication, the same is

> > > repeated for

> > > > the houses 2,5,11.

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been taken

from

> > > Volume

> > > > I & II of above sagar publications. The publishers have

modified the

> > > original

> > > > content of volume II and published as Reader III. For the same

> > chart,

> > > the

> > > > signlord in volume II is just replaced with sublord in the

Reader

> > III.

> > > The

> > > > originality of Mr.KSK has lost. Reader III is not reliable.

But

> > volume

> > > I & II

> > > > of sagar publication is reliable. For comparision, I am

giving the

> > > page

> > > > numbers of volumeii and Reader III

> > > > > > pages in volume IIÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Pages in Reader III

> > > > > > 42Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 53

> > > > > > 61Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 169

> > > > > > 64Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 171

> > > > > > 67Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 175

> > > > > > 74Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 181

> > > > > > 98,99Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 204,205

> > > > > > 130Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 226

> > > > > > 155Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 254

> > > > > > 162Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 261

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > > 3)Mr.KSK never ever nowhere asked sub's starlord either

for

> > planet

> > > or

> > > > for cusp sublord in the volume I & II of sagar publications. It

is

> > > stated that

> > > > Mr.KSK took starlord for sublord with reference to Reader

III. Is

> > > there any

> > > > reference in volume I & II of sagar publications for sub's star

by

> > > Mr.KSK.

> > > > > > Regars,

> > > > > > R.Dhanabalan

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to

> > > > http://in.promos./groups/

> > > > >

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July 28, 2008

Dear shri Dhanabalan Ji,Will you pl explain six fold general signification table as staed by you.Regds.Naidu KPK. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Mon, 28/7/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: Re: 4 step theory : questions Date: Monday, 28 July, 2008, 7:50 AM

Dear Subhash

Your are correct.

For marriage, only the houses 2,7,11 are to be taken. Other houses need not be considered.

Only the planets in the sub sgnifying 2,7,11 will give marriage. If the sub signifies 6 and 7, then there are struggles in marriage in that period but marriage will happen.

Try to practice six fold general significator table instead of present 4 fold table. Then you will realise what Mr.KSK told.

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ >Re: Re: 4 step theory : questions@gro ups.comSunday, July 27, 2008, 9:17 PM

Dear Dhanabalan,

Excuse me for intervention.

What I understood from my little knowledge of KP, when Guruji KSK says that "Only the planets having the sub signifying 2,7,11 by occupation and ownership will give marriage. The planets having the sub signifying 4,6,10 by occupation and ownership will not give marriage'

according to me it means that "out of the significators of houses 2, 7 and 11 only (if there are more than 3/4 significators) those having sub signifying 2,7, 11 by occuption and ownership will give marriage. Other planets which are not the significators of houses 2, 7, 11 can not give marriage even if they are in the sub of planet signifying 2, 7, 11.

This is what my understanding is, correct me if I am wrong.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comThursday, July 24, 2008 7:51:41 AMRe: Re: 4 step theory : questions

Dear Mr Yogesh Rao Lajmi

Mr.K.S.Krishnamoort hy, the founder of the k.p.system explained in his books, how to choose the significators. According to him,

The planets having beneficial sub are the significators for the event to happen.

For example, for marriage,

Only the planets having the sub signifying 2,7,11 by occupation and ownership will give marriage. The planets having the sub signifying 4,6,10 by occupation and ownership will not give marriage.

When Ruling Planets are used to select the significators, only the planets having beneficial sub to be selected as Ruling planets. Planets having the sub of negating houses should not be taken as Ruling planets.

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Thu, 7/24/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: 4 step theory : questions@gro ups.comThursday, July 24, 2008, 5:41 AM

Dear Mr.Naidu,

The late Mr.Kar had written about this...he suggests the one can go on upto sub-sub or even sub-sub -sub level or even further,till the time that a planet is reopeated... THAT planet will be the strongest significator. ..

Another rule to find out the strongeest significator is also in vogue : "Among the significators arrived at for an event,only those that are posited in the sub of a significator whose star is untenanted.. .are the strongest..."

L.Y.Rao.

GOOD LUCK !

K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comWednesday, 23 July, 2008 8:22:33 PMRe: Re: 4 step theory : questions

Dear Subhash Ji,

Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star lord),and at sublord level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sri K.M.Subrahmanian in his books "KP Astrology for Beginners). In some articles I found sub lord's sub lord also is taken as significator.

Sub lord is a PLANET and hence such planet's star lord may be considered it is said.

Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star lord and sub lord can also be considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a planet. It's star lord and sub also can be considered ? To what extent can it be STRETCHED ?

This not a creticism nor negation of any principle / theoy. Just out of acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.

KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.

naidu KPK. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > Re: 4 step theory : questions@gro ups.comTuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:13 PM

Dear Dhanabalan,

You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr. Krishnamurty, himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this date. It is quite natural that most of the contents of 1966 book are reproduced in Readers since the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati remained the same.

Modifications, as pointed by you, may be due to subsequent research carried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this point very clear in subsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse me, but I do not agree to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is lost.

Since I have not read the Books by Sagar Publications, I cannot comment on it. However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the sublord at places in his Readers. In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar got inspiration to develope "Four Step Theory" only after reading famous series of articles "The Sub Lord Speaks" by Mr. K. M. Subramaniam. "Four Step Theory" was the result of his (Mr. Gondhalekar' s) vast experience and research work.

Four Step Theory is an extension of KP. It respects and honors all KP Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a planet. And if a planet is supposed to give result of a house where its star lord is tenented, logically this should apply to sub also. This is exactly what the 4th step is.

Any further questions are welcome.

Subhash Ektare

@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members,> 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in Volume II of Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year 1966. In page 113 "According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow money during the dasa bukthies of > a) planets in the star or sub of occupants of 6th house> b) occupants of 6th house> c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house> d) lord of 6th house....... ........"> > In page 274 of volume II of sagar publication, the same is repeated for the houses 2,5,11.> > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been taken from Volume I & II of above sagar publications. The publishers have modified the original content of volume II and published as Reader III. For the same chart, the signlord in volume II is just replaced with sublord in the

Reader III. The originality of Mr.KSK has lost. Reader III is not reliable. But volume I & II of sagar publication is reliable. For comparision, I am giving the page numbers of volumeii and Reader III> pages in volume II Pages in Reader III> 42 53>

61 169> 64 171>

67 175> 74 181>

98,99 204,205> 130 226>

155 254> 162 261> > 3)Mr.KSK never ever nowhere asked sub's starlord either for planet or for cusp sublord in the volume I & II of sagar publications. It is stated that Mr.KSK took starlord for sublord with reference

to Reader III. Is there any reference in volume I & II of sagar publications for sub's star by Mr.KSK.> Regars,> R.Dhanabalan>

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July 28, 2008

Dear Luther Rath

You are correct.

Follow the six fold general significator table and find out the strongest significators. It will clear all your doubts.

R.Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Re: 4 step theory : questions Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 1:06 AM

Dear Dhanbalan,

I do fully agree the explanation given by Mr. Subhash Ektare.

To select significators for marriage we have to see that firstly the planets should signify houses II, VII and/or XI either by occupation, ownership, conjunction or aspect. Then only the question or urge for marriages. Among those planets the ones which occupy the sub of a planet which happens to be significator of II, VII or XI are to be considered to be strong to give marriage. The ones which occupy the sub of planets which do not signify at least one of those three houses but they signify any of IV, VI or X, then the significators will not give marriage during their periods. Comments invited.

Dr. Luther--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ >Re: Re: 4 step theory : questions@gro ups.comSunday, July 27, 2008, 9:17 PM

Dear Dhanabalan,

Excuse me for intervention.

What I understood from my little knowledge of KP, when Guruji KSK says that "Only the planets having the sub signifying 2,7,11 by occupation and ownership will give marriage. The planets having the sub signifying 4,6,10 by occupation and ownership will not give marriage'

according to me it means that "out of the significators of houses 2, 7 and 11 only (if there are more than 3/4 significators) those having sub signifying 2,7, 11 by occuption and ownership will give marriage. Other planets which are not the significators of houses 2, 7, 11 can not give marriage even if they are in the sub of planet signifying 2, 7, 11.

This is what my understanding is, correct me if I am wrong.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comThursday, July 24, 2008 7:51:41 AMRe: Re: 4 step theory : questions

Dear Mr Yogesh Rao Lajmi

Mr.K.S.Krishnamoort hy, the founder of the k.p.system explained in his books, how to choose the significators. According to him,

The planets having beneficial sub are the significators for the event to happen.

For example, for marriage,

Only the planets having the sub signifying 2,7,11 by occupation and ownership will give marriage. The planets having the sub signifying 4,6,10 by occupation and ownership will not give marriage.

When Ruling Planets are used to select the significators, only the planets having beneficial sub to be selected as Ruling planets. Planets having the sub of negating houses should not be taken as Ruling planets.

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Thu, 7/24/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: 4 step theory : questions@gro ups.comThursday, July 24, 2008, 5:41 AM

Dear Mr.Naidu,

The late Mr.Kar had written about this...he suggests the one can go on upto sub-sub or even sub-sub -sub level or even further,till the time that a planet is reopeated... THAT planet will be the strongest significator. ..

Another rule to find out the strongeest significator is also in vogue : "Among the significators arrived at for an event,only those that are posited in the sub of a significator whose star is untenanted.. .are the strongest..."

L.Y.Rao.

GOOD LUCK !

K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comWednesday, 23 July, 2008 8:22:33 PMRe: Re: 4 step theory : questions

Dear Subhash Ji,

Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star lord),and at sublord level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sri K.M.Subrahmanian in his books "KP Astrology for Beginners). In some articles I found sub lord's sub lord also is taken as significator.

Sub lord is a PLANET and hence such planet's star lord may be considered it is said.

Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star lord and sub lord can also be considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a planet. It's star lord and sub also can be considered ? To what extent can it be STRETCHED ?

This not a creticism nor negation of any principle / theoy. Just out of acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.

KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.

naidu KPK. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > Re: 4 step theory : questions@gro ups.comTuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:13 PM

Dear Dhanabalan,

You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr. Krishnamurty, himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this date. It is quite natural that most of the contents of 1966 book are reproduced in Readers since the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati remained the same.

Modifications, as pointed by you, may be due to subsequent research carried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this point very clear in subsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse me, but I do not agree to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is lost.

Since I have not read the Books by Sagar Publications, I cannot comment on it. However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the sublord at places in his Readers. In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar got inspiration to develope "Four Step Theory" only after reading famous series of articles "The Sub Lord Speaks" by Mr. K. M. Subramaniam. "Four Step Theory" was the result of his (Mr. Gondhalekar' s) vast experience and research work.

Four Step Theory is an extension of KP. It respects and honors all KP Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a planet. And if a planet is supposed to give result of a house where its star lord is tenented, logically this should apply to sub also. This is exactly what the 4th step is.

Any further questions are welcome.

Subhash Ektare

@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members,> 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in Volume II of Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year 1966. In page 113 "According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow money during the dasa bukthies of > a) planets in the star or sub of occupants of 6th house> b) occupants of 6th house> c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house> d) lord of 6th house....... ........"> > In page 274 of volume II of sagar publication, the same is repeated for the houses 2,5,11.> > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been taken from Volume I & II of above sagar publications. The publishers have modified the original content of volume II and published as Reader III. For the same chart, the signlord in volume II is just replaced with sublord in

the Reader III. The originality of Mr.KSK has lost. Reader III is not reliable. But volume I & II of sagar publication is reliable. For comparision, I am giving the page numbers of volumeii and Reader III> pages in volume II Pages in Reader III> 42 53>

61 169> 64 171>

67 175> 74 181>

98,99 204,205> 130 226>

155 254> 162 261> > 3)Mr.KSK never ever nowhere asked sub's starlord either for planet or for cusp sublord in the volume I & II of sagar publications. It is stated that Mr.KSK took starlord for sublord with reference

to Reader III. Is there any reference in volume I & II of sagar publications for sub's star by Mr.KSK.> Regars,> R.Dhanabalan>

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July 28, 2008

Dear Mr. Satiah

I beg to differ from your understanding a little bit. If sub signifies

2, 7 or 11 and simultaneously

signify 1, 4, 6 or 10 it will favour the marriage. Here signification of

2, 7 or 11 will be responsible

for giving marriage while signification of unfavorable houses will play

their role after marriage.

Remember what KSK had said " Under such circumstances, there should be

both entries in the

Balance Sheet and they never cancell each other "

This is my understanding please. Comments from seniors are welcome.

Regards,

Subhash Ektare

, " R Satish " <rsatish1942 wrote:

>

> Dear Subhash,

>

> Subs signifying 2or7or11 should not simultaneously

> signify 1,or4,or6,or10 houses.They are mutually conflicting.This is

> my understanding.

>

> Regards,

>

> Satish

>

> , Subhash Ektare

> subhash_ektare@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Dhanabalan,

> > Excuse me for intervention.

> > What I understood from my little knowledge of KP, when Guruji KSK

> says that " Only the planets having the sub signifying 2,7,11 by

> occupation and ownership will give marriage. The planets having the

> sub signifying 4,6,10 by occupation and ownership will not give

> marriage'

> > according to me it means that " out of the significators of houses

> 2, 7 and 11 only (if there are more than 3/4 significators) those

> having sub signifying 2,7, 11 by occuption and ownership will give

> marriage. Other planets which are not the significators of houses 2,

> 7, 11 can not give marriage even if they are in the sub of planet

> signifying 2, 7, 11.

> > This is what my understanding is, correct me if I am wrong.

> > Regards

> > Subhash Ektare

> >

> > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@

> >

> > Thursday, July 24, 2008 7:51:41 AM

> > Re: Re: 4 step theory : questions

> >

> > Dear Mr Yogesh Rao Lajmi

> >

> > Mr.K.S.Krishnamoort hy, the founder of the k.p.system explained in

> his books, how to choose the significators. According to him,

> >

> > The planets having beneficial sub are the significators for the

> event to happen.

> >

> > For example, for marriage,

> > Only the planets having the sub signifying 2,7,11 by occupation and

> ownership will give marriage. The planets having the sub signifying

> 4,6,10 by occupation and ownership will not give marriage.

> >

> > When Ruling Planets are used to select the significators, only the

> planets having beneficial sub to be selected as Ruling planets.

> Planets having the sub of negating houses should not be taken as

> Ruling planets.

> >

> > R.Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On Thu, 7/24/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> wrote:

> >

> > Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > Re: Re: 4 step theory : questions

> > @gro ups.com

> > Thursday, July 24, 2008, 5:41 AM

> >

> > Dear Mr.Naidu,

> > The late Mr.Kar had written about this...he

> suggests the one can go on upto sub-sub or even sub-sub -sub level or

> even further,till the time that a planet is reopeated... THAT planet

> will be the strongest significator. ..

> > Another rule to find out the strongeest

> significator is also in vogue : " Among the significators arrived at

> for an event,only those that are posited in the sub of a significator

> whose star is untenanted.. .are the strongest... "

> > L.Y.Rao.

> > GOOD LUCK !

> >

> > K. P. Naidu konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Wednesday, 23 July, 2008 8:22:33 PM

> > Re: Re: 4 step theory : questions

> >

> > Dear Subhash Ji,

> >

> > Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star lord),and at

> sublord level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sri

> K.M.Subrahmanian in his books " KP Astrology for Beginners). In some

> articles I found sub lord's sub lord also is taken as significator.

> > Sub lord is a PLANET and hence such planet's star lord may be

> considered it is said.

> > Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star lord and sub

> lord can also be considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a planet.

> It's star lord and sub also can be considered ? To what extent can

> it be STRETCHED ?

> > This not a creticism nor negation of any principle / theoy. Just

> out of acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.

> > KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.

> >

> > naidu KP

> >

> > K. P. Naidu,

> > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,

> > Nowroji Road,

> > Maharanipeta,

> > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.

> > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.

> >

> > --- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> >

> > Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >

> > Re: 4 step theory : questions

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:13 PM

> >

> > Dear Dhanabalan,

> > You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr. Krishnamurty,

> himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this date. It is

> quite natural that most of the contents of 1966 book are reproduced

> in Readers since the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati remained the

> same.

> > Modifications, as pointed by you, may be due to subsequent

> research carried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this point

> very clear in subsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse

> me, but I do not agree to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is

> lost.

> > Since I have not read the Books by Sagar Publications, I cannot

> comment on it. However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the sublord

> at places in his Readers. In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar got

> inspiration to develope " Four Step Theory " only after reading famous

> series of articles " The Sub Lord Speaks " by Mr. K. M.

> Subramaniam. " Four Step Theory " was the result of his (Mr.

> Gondhalekar' s) vast experience and research work.

> > Four Step Theory is an extension of KP. It respects and honors

> all KP Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a planet. And

> if a planet is supposed to give result of a house where its star

> lord is tenented, logically this should apply to sub also. This is

> exactly what the 4th step is.

> > Any further questions are welcome.

> > Subhash Ektare

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

> <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear members,

> > > 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in Volume II of

> Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year 1966. In

> page 113 " According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow money

> during the dasa bukthies of

> > > a) planets in the star or sub of occupants of 6th house

> > > b) occupants of 6th house

> > > c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house

> > > d) lord of 6th house....... ........ "

> > >

> > > In page 274 of volume II of sagar publication, the same is

> repeated for the houses 2,5,11.

> > >

> > > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been taken from

> Volume I & II of above sagar publications. The publishers have modified

> the original content of volume II and published as Reader III. For

> the same chart, the signlord in volume II is just replaced with

> sublord in the Reader III. The originality of Mr.KSK has lost. Reader

> III is not reliable. But volume I & II of sagar publication is

> reliable. For comparision, I am giving the page numbers of volumeii

> and Reader III

> > > pages in volume II Pages in

> Reader III

> > > 42 53

> > > 61 169

> > > 64

> 171

> > > 67

> 175

> > > 74

> 181

> > > 98,99

> 204,205

> > > 130

> 226

> > > 155

> 254

> > > 162

> 261

> > >

> > > 3)Mr.KSK never ever nowhere asked sub's starlord either for

> planet or for cusp sublord in the volume I & II of sagar publications.

> It is stated that Mr.KSK took starlord for sublord with reference to

> Reader III. Is there any reference in volume I & II of sagar

> publications for sub's star by Mr.KSK.

> > > Regars,

> > > R.Dhanabalan

> > >

> >

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July 28, 2008

Dear Sujatkaram,

Differences between traditional KP and 4 Step Theory are :

1) In both theories, sub has deciding power. I do not suscribe

to your statement that in traditional KP sub has indicative power

only.

2) In traditional KP, the analysis stops at sub level while in 4 Step

theory it goes on to Star level of the sub. This is 4th step as you

know.

3) In traditional KP, the significators of concerned houses are worked

out as per rules laid by KSK. Then only planet signification will be

worked

out fron these significations. While in 4 Step Theory, the signification

of

planet is worked out directly and separate rules are prescribed for

this.

These are my personal views which may be wrong. I will request Shri.

Gondhalekar ji to comment and correct me if I am wrong.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

, " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram wrote:

>

> Respected Subhashji and Sunilji,

> Sir,

> Subhashji,I am afraid I do not agree with your view here.If the Sub

> of a planet has deciding powers, it becomes 4-step theory. In

> traditional KP, as laid down by Guruji, the sub of a planet has only

> indicative powers-not deciding ones.

> It makes no difference whether Jupiter ia Mahadasha swami or

> otherwise,it is a planet.If the Sub of a planet has, as you say,

> deciding powers in traditional KP also, as laid down by our revered

> KSK,in what way four-step theory differs from it?

> I would request Sunilji,the author of four step theory, to please

> give his opinion.

> best regards,

> sujat. , " Subhash "

> subhash_ektare@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sujatkaram,

> >

> > In my posting I have taken Planet Jupiter arbitrarily as an

> example.

> > And I have assumed its dasha is running. It has nothing to do with

> 7th

> > house.

> >

> > The 7th house sub lord (may be any planet not necessarily Mars) has

> > promised the marriage. This sub will decide whether marriage will be

> > favorable or not. Yes, your understanding of Guruji's dictum is

> > perfect. However I think you have mistaken Mars to be 7th sub lord

> which

> > is not the case here.

> >

> > Mars, which is the sub lord of Jupiter (Dasha Lord), has power to

> decide

> > whether Jupiter (as dasha lord) will give marriage in its dasha or

> not.

> > It has no power to say whether marriage will be favorable or not.

> This

> > is jurisdiction of the 7th sub lord.

> >

> > I hope this clears my views.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Subhash Ektare

> >

> > , " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Subhashji,

> > > Sir,

> > > In my opinion, it is according to 4-step theory that Mars, as the

> Sub

> > > of Jupiter,has powers to decide whether marriage will take place

> or

> > > otherwise.

> > > According to Guruji,s dictum, Mars, as Sub, will indicate whether

> > > marriage will be favourable or not i.e. whether marriage will

> produce

> > > favourable results as desired,or not.

> > >

> > > Please correct me if I am wrong.

> > > sujatkaram , " Subhash "

> > > subhash_ektare@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Ravinder ji

> > > >

> > > > I have taken hypothetical case of any planet.

> > > >

> > > > Now assume that the querry is about marriage. 7th sub lord had

> > > indicated

> > > > that the marriage is promised. And the native is running Jupiter

> > > Dasha.

> > > >

> > > > Jupiter is in the star of Venus and sub of Mars.

> > > >

> > > > Let us say Jupiter (at planet level) signifies house 2. Its star

> > > lord

> > > > Venus is in 11 and thus signifies 11 in addition to 3 and 8. So

> it

> > > can

> > > > be said that Jupiter, at planet level and at star level, is

> > > favorable

> > > > for marriage in its dasha.

> > > >

> > > > However as stated by Prof KSK, the sub lord (in this case Mars)

> > > has the

> > > > power to decide wthether marriage should take place in Jupiter

> > > dasha or

> > > > not. If this sub lord Mars signifies 1, 6 or 10 (houses 12th to

> > > 2, 7

> > > > and 11) it will not favor marriage. But if it signifies ,say, 3,

> > > 6, 7 ,

> > > > 9 and 11 it will be favorable for marriage in Jupiter dasha

> because

> > > it

> > > > signifies houses 7 and 11.

> > > >

> > > > Thus the role of Mars, in this case, will be to tell whether

> > > Jupiter can

> > > > give marriage in its dasha or not.

> > > >

> > > > I hope it is clear now.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > , " Ravinder Grover " <rgrover@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > 24th July 2008

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Subhash ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you please give some examples for others to understand

> this

> > > > clearly.

> > > > >

> > > > > What would be the role of Mars ? How Mars will tell whether

> it is

> > > > > Beneficial for JUp or not

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > > RG

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > On

> > > > > Behalf Of Subhash

> > > > > Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:42 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: 4 step theory : questions

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr. Naidu ji and members

> > > > >

> > > > > The Theory of Guruji KSK is well known to everybody. That the

> > > planet

> > > > gives

> > > > > the results of the house occupied by its Star Lord and the

> house

> > > (s)

> > > > owned by

> > > > > such star lord. And further that the sub lord decides as to

> > > whether

> > > > these

> > > > > results will be favorable or not.

> > > > >

> > > > > To explain your doubts in a simple manner let us take a planet

> > > Jupiter

> > > > in

> > > > > the star of Venus and sub of Mars.

> > > > >

> > > > > When we are working out the significations for a planet

> Jupiter,

> > > it is

> > > > > supposed to give the results of the house occupied by Venus-

> its

> > > star

> > > > lord-

> > > > > and the houses owned by Venus. This is as per KP Principles

> and

> > > > therefore it

> > > > > is OK. Your doubt is why the star lord of Venus should not be

> > > > considered?

> > > > > Then its star lord? Where do we expect to stop this? Mr.

> Naidu ji

> > > I

> > > > really

> > > > > appriciate your intelligent querry.

> > > > >

> > > > > My personal views about this, as a student of KP and 4 Step

> > > Theory,

> > > > are as

> > > > > follows:

> > > > >

> > > > > Since we are considering significations of Jupiter (I repeat,

> > > Jupiter

> > > > only)

> > > > > we have to restrict our analysis up to its star lord level

> only.

> > > In

> > > > this

> > > > > case it is Venus. Star Lord of Venus should be considered ONLY

> > > WHEN

> > > > > signification of Venus is being worked out.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now take the case of Sub Lord Mars. Here, Mars has deciding

> power

> > > to

> > > > decide

> > > > > whether result offered by Jupiter is favorable or not. Nothing

> > > beyond

> > > > that.

> > > > > Signification of Mars will decide this, which is restricted

> upto

> > > star

> > > > level

> > > > > only. So we have to stop our analysis at this level. We

> cannot go

> > > to

> > > > the sub

> > > > > level of Mars. Why? Remember, the sub of Mars has no power to

> > > decide

> > > > about

> > > > > results offered by Jupiter. It has power to decide about the

> > > results

> > > > offered

> > > > > b Mars only.

> > > > >

> > > > > Views of senior members like Mr. L.Y.Rao, Sunil Gondhalekar,

> Punit

> > > > Pandey ji

> > > > > will be highly appriciated.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ragards

> > > > >

> > > > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > >

> > > > > , " K. P. Naidu " konathalan@

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Subhash Ji,

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > > Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star

> lord),and at

> > > > sublord

> > > > > level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sri

> > > > K.M.Subrahmanian in

> > > > > his books " KPM Astrology for Beginners). In some articles I

> found

> > > sub

> > > > lord's

> > > > > sub lord also is taken as significator.

> > > > > > Sub lord is a PLANET and hence such planet's star lord may

> be

> > > > considered

> > > > > it is said.

> > > > > > Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star lord

> and

> > > sub

> > > > lord

> > > > > can also be considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a

> planet.

> > > It's

> > > > star

> > > > > lord and sub also can be considered ? Â To what extent can

it

> > be

> > > > STRETCHED ?

> > > > > > This not a creticism nor negation of any principle / theoy.

> > > Just out

> > > > of

> > > > > acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.

> > > > > > KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > > naidu KP

> > > > > >

> > > > > > K. P. Naidu,

> > > > > > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,

> > > > > > Nowroji Road,

> > > > > > Maharanipeta,

> > > > > > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.

> > > > > > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash subhash_ektare@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Subhash subhash_ektare@

> > > > > > Re: 4 step theory : questions

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:13 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan,

> > > > > > You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr.

> > > Krishnamurty,

> > > > > himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this

date.Â

> It

> > is

> > > > quite

> > > > > natural that most of the contents of 1966 book are reproduced

> in

> > > > Readers

> > > > > since the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati remained the same.

> > > > > > Modifications, as pointed by you,Â may be due to

subsequent

> > > > research

> > > > > carried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this pointÂ

> very

> > > > clear inÂ

> > > > > subsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse me, but I

> do

> > > not

> > > > agree

> > > > > to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is lost.

> > > > > > Since I have not read the Books by Sagar Publications, I

> cannot

> > > > comment on

> > > > > it.Â However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the sublord

> > atÂ

> > > > places in

> > > > > his Readers.Â In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar got inspiration

to

> > > > develope

> > > > > " Four Step Theory " only after readingÂ famous series of

> > articles

> > > > " The Sub

> > > > > Lord Speaks " by Mr. K. M. Subramaniam.Â " Four Step Theory "

was

> > the

> > > > result

> > > > > of his (Mr. Gondhalekar' s) vast experience and research work.

> > > > > > Four Step TheoryÂ is an extension of KP.Â It respects

and

> > > > honors all KP

> > > > > Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a planet.

> And if

> > > a

> > > > planet

> > > > > is supposed to giveÂ result of a house where its star lord

is

> > > > tenented,

> > > > > logically this should apply to sub also. This is exactly what

> the

> > > 4th

> > > > step

> > > > > is.

> > > > > > Any further questions are welcome.

> > > > > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

> > > <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear members,

> > > > > > > 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in Volume II

> of

> > > > > Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year

> 1966. In

> > > page

> > > > 113

> > > > > " According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow money

> > > during the

> > > > dasa

> > > > > bukthies of

> > > > > > > a) planets in the star or sub of occupants of 6th house

> > > > > > > b) occupants of 6th house

> > > > > > > c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house

> > > > > > > d) lord of 6th house....... ........ "

> > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > In page 274 of volume II of sagar publication, the same is

> > > > repeated for

> > > > > the houses 2,5,11.

> > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been taken

> from

> > > > Volume

> > > > > I & II of above sagar publications. The publishers have

> modified the

> > > > original

> > > > > content of volume II and published as Reader III. For the same

> > > chart,

> > > > the

> > > > > signlord in volume II is just replaced with sublord in the

> Reader

> > > III.

> > > > The

> > > > > originality of Mr.KSK has lost. Reader III is not reliable.

> But

> > > volume

> > > > I & II

> > > > > of sagar publication is reliable. For comparision, I am

> giving the

> > > > page

> > > > > numbers of volumeii and Reader III

> > > > > > > pages in volume IIÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Pages in Reader III

> > > > > > > 42Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â

> > Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â

> > Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 53

> > > > > > > 61Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â

> > Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â

> > Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 169

> > > > > > > 64Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â

> > Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â

> > Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 171

> > > > > > > 67Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â

> > Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â

> > Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 175

> > > > > > > 74Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â

> > Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â

> > Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

181

> > > > > > > 98,99Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â

> > Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â

> > Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 204,205

> > > > > > > 130Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â

> > Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 226

> > > > > > > 155Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â

> > Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 254

> > > > > > > 162Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â

> > Â

> > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 261

> > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > 3)Mr.KSK never ever nowhere asked sub's starlord either

> for

> > > planet

> > > > or

> > > > > for cusp sublord in the volume I & II of sagar publications. It

> is

> > > > stated that

> > > > > Mr.KSK took starlord for sublord with reference to Reader

> III. Is

> > > > there any

> > > > > reference in volume I & II of sagar publications for sub's star

> by

> > > > Mr.KSK.

> > > > > > > Regars,

> > > > > > > R.Dhanabalan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to

> > > > > http://in.promos./groups/

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

July 28, 2008

Hi

Shubhash Ektare is right,planets which signifies both positive and negative house it will bestow good result as well as it will cause disturbance in the same in the linked bhukti/antara/sookshma periods.

Sahhasra Saagara

--- On Mon, 28/7/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare wrote:

Subhash <subhash_ektare Re: 4 step theory : questions Date: Monday, 28 July, 2008, 11:22 PM

Dear Mr. SatiahI beg to differ from your understanding a little bit. If sub signifies2, 7 or 11 and simultaneouslysignify 1, 4, 6 or 10 it will favour the marriage. Here signification of2, 7 or 11 will be responsiblefor giving marriage while signification of unfavorable houses will playtheir role after marriage.Remember what KSK had said " Under such circumstances, there should beboth entries in theBalance Sheet and they never cancell each other"This is my understanding please. Comments from seniors are welcome.Regards,Subhash Ektare@gro ups.com, "R Satish" <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote:>>> Dear Subhash,>> Subs signifying 2or7or11 should not simultaneously> signify 1,or4,or6,or10 houses.They are mutually conflicting.

This is> my understanding.>> Regards,>> Satish>>>>>> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare> subhash_ektare@ wrote:> >> > Dear Dhanabalan,> > Excuse me for intervention.> > What I understood from my little knowledge of KP, when Guruji KSK> says that "Only the planets having the sub signifying 2,7,11 by> occupation and ownership will give marriage. The planets having the> sub signifying 4,6,10 by occupation and ownership will not give> marriage'> > according to me it means that "out of the significators of houses> 2, 7 and 11 only (if there are more than 3/4 significators) those> having sub signifying 2,7, 11 by occuption and ownership will give> marriage. Other planets which are not the

significators of houses 2,> 7, 11 can not give marriage even if they are in the sub of planet> signifying 2, 7, 11.> > This is what my understanding is, correct me if I am wrong.> > Regards> > Subhash Ektare> >> >> >> > > > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, July 24, 2008 7:51:41 AM> > Re: Re: 4 step theory : questions> >> >> >> > Dear Mr Yogesh Rao Lajmi> >> > Mr.K.S.Krishnamoort hy, the founder of the k.p.system explained in> his books, how to choose the significators. According to him,> >> > The planets having beneficial sub are the significators for the> event

to happen.> >> > For example, for marriage,> > Only the planets having the sub signifying 2,7,11 by occupation and> ownership will give marriage. The planets having the sub signifying> 4,6,10 by occupation and ownership will not give marriage.> >> > When Ruling Planets are used to select the significators, only the> planets having beneficial sub to be selected as Ruling planets.> Planets having the sub of negating houses should not be taken as> Ruling planets.> >> > R.Dhanabalan> >> >> > --- On Thu, 7/24/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> wrote:> >> > Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > Re: Re: 4 step theory : questions> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, July 24, 2008, 5:41 AM>

>> >> > Dear Mr.Naidu,> > The late Mr.Kar had written about this...he> suggests the one can go on upto sub-sub or even sub-sub -sub level or> even further,till the time that a planet is reopeated... THAT planet> will be the strongest significator. ..> > Another rule to find out the strongeest> significator is also in vogue : "Among the significators arrived at> for an event,only those that are posited in the sub of a significator> whose star is untenanted.. .are the strongest... "> > L.Y.Rao.> > GOOD LUCK !> >> >> >> >> > > > K. P. Naidu konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > @gro ups.com> > Wednesday, 23 July, 2008 8:22:33 PM> > Re: Re: 4 step theory : questions> >>

>> > Dear Subhash Ji,> >> > Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star lord),and at> sublord level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sri> K.M.Subrahmanian in his books "KP Astrology for Beginners). In some> articles I found sub lord's sub lord also is taken as significator.> > Sub lord is a PLANET and hence such planet's star lord may be> considered it is said.> > Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star lord and sub> lord can also be considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a planet.> It's star lord and sub also can be considered ? To what extent can> it be STRETCHED ?> > This not a creticism nor negation of any principle / theoy. Just> out of acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.> > KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.> >> > naidu KP> >> > K.

P. Naidu,> > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,> > Nowroji Road,> > Maharanipeta,> > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.> > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.> >> > --- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> >> > Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >> > Re: 4 step theory : questions> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:13 PM> >> >> > Dear Dhanabalan,> > You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr. Krishnamurty,> himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this date. It is> quite natural that most of the contents of 1966 book are reproduced> in Readers since the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati remained the> same.> > Modifications, as pointed by you, may be due to subsequent>

research carried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this point> very clear in subsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse> me, but I do not agree to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is> lost.> > Since I have not read the Books by Sagar Publications, I cannot> comment on it. However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the sublord> at places in his Readers. In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar got> inspiration to develope "Four Step Theory" only after reading famous> series of articles "The Sub Lord Speaks" by Mr. K. M.> Subramaniam. "Four Step Theory" was the result of his (Mr.> Gondhalekar' s) vast experience and research work.> > Four Step Theory is an extension of KP. It respects and honors> all KP Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a planet. And> if a planet is supposed to give result of a house where its star> lord is

tenented, logically this should apply to sub also. This is> exactly what the 4th step is.> > Any further questions are welcome.> > Subhash Ektare> >> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R> <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear members,> > > 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in Volume II of> Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year 1966. In> page 113 "According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow money> during the dasa bukthies of> > > a) planets in the star or sub of occupants of 6th house> > > b) occupants of 6th house> > > c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house> > > d) lord of 6th house....... ........"> > >> > > In page 274 of volume II of sagar

publication, the same is> repeated for the houses 2,5,11.> > >> > > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been taken from> Volume I & II of above sagar publications. The publishers have modified> the original content of volume II and published as Reader III. For> the same chart, the signlord in volume II is just replaced with> sublord in the Reader III. The originality of Mr.KSK has lost. Reader> III is not reliable. But volume I & II of sagar publication is> reliable. For comparision, I am giving the page numbers of volumeii> and Reader III> > > pages in volume II Pages in> Reader III> > > 42 53> > > 61 169> > > 64> 171> > > 67> 175> > > 74> 181> > > 98,99> 204,205> > > 130> 226> > > 155>

254> > > 162> 261> > >> > > 3)Mr.KSK never ever nowhere asked sub's starlord either for> planet or for cusp sublord in the volume I & II of sagar publications.> It is stated that Mr.KSK took starlord for sublord with reference to> Reader III. Is there any reference in volume I & II of sagar> publications for sub's star by Mr.KSK.> > > Regars,> > > R.Dhanabalan> > >> >> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Save all your chat conversations. Find them online.> >>

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