4 step theory : questions

July 28, 2008

29th July 2008

Dear Sir,

Most important thing to remember in KP rules is that Sub lord

is stronger than Star Lord and Star Lord is stronger than Sign Lord or Planet.

If Sub Lord signifies the matter in question and Star Lord and Sign Lord/Planet

DO NOT, even then the event will take place but may not be smoothly. IF all of

them signiy the matter then the matter/even will take place smoothly.

Love

RG

On Behalf Of Dhanabalan

R

Monday, July 28, 2008 1:58 PM

RE: Re: 4 step theory : questions

Dear Ravinder Grover

According to Mr.K.S.Krishnamoorthy, whether the planet X and the star Y

signifies 2,7,11 or 4,6,10 is not the matter. Whether the sublord Z signifies

2,7,11 is the matter. If Z signifies 2,7,11 then marriage will happen. If Z

signifies 4,6,10 then there is no marriage in that period.

This is what Mr.KSK told. Construct six fold table and find out the

strongest significator like in fourfold. Forget the four fold system.

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Ravinder Grover <rgrover

wrote:

Ravinder Grover

<rgrover

RE: Re: 4 step theory : questions

Sunday, July 27, 2008, 9:31 PM

28th July 2008

Dear R.Dhanabalan ji

What happens for the following

example:

1. SLC(7) promises marriage

2. Let Dasa of Planet, A

3. Planet A in Sign(X) Star(Y)

Sub(Z)

4. IF X and Y DO NOT

signify (2 or 7or 11) AND Z signifies (2 or 7 or 11) THEN Will

the Marriage take place in the Dasa of A?

5. IF Y and Z DO NOT

signify (2 or 7or 11) AND X signifies (2 or 7 or 11) THEN Will

the Marriage take place in the Dasa of A?

6. IF X and Z DO NOT

signify (2 or 7or 11) AND Y signifies (2 or 7 or 11) THEN Will

the Marriage take place in the Dasa of A?

Regards

RG

@gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On

Behalf Of Dhanabalan R

Sunday, July 27, 2008 7:59 PM

@gro ups.com

RE: Re: 4 step theory : questions

Dear Ravinder Grover

1) With reference to

pages 113,114,274, 319,320 of Krishnamoorthy Paddhati volume II of sagar

publication in the year 1966, Mr.KSK has considered the planets in the

star & sub of occupants and the planets in the star & sub

of the house lords as significators. This point has been supressed in

the k.p.Reader III, V and VI. The existing four fold general

significator table has to be converted into six fold as below to get better

results according to Mr.K.S.Krishnamoort hy.

House No

Planets

In the

Sub of

occupants

Planets

In the

Star of

occupants

Occupants in the house

Planets

In the

Sub of

House lord

Planets

In the

Star of

House lord

I

II

III

IV

V

VI

VII

VIII

IX

X

XI

XII

Mr.KSK said that the

planets in the sub of occupants of the bhavas 2,7,11 are the strongest

significators for the event marriage. Naturally the significator' s sub

belongs to 2,7,11..

Suppose Jupiter is in

7. Saturn is in the sub of Jupiter(Jupiter has gone as sub to saturn).

So saturn is the significator for marriage signifying 7 in the sub level.

Suppose 7th lord is

Mercury. Mars is in the sub of Mercury(Mercury has gone as sub to

Mars). So Mars is the significator for marriage signifying 7 in the sub.

I think it is clear that

any planet, whose sublord signifying 2,7,11 by position and

ownership will give marriage.

2) In your example, it

is stated that the dasa planet Jupiter is in the sub of Mars. Mars

signifies 2,7,11. Jupiter will give marriage.

In the six fold table,

Jupiter occupies the first rank significator.

3) In the book Astrosecret

part II by Mr.K.Subramaniam, in page 7, he states as, " ...Sub-lord is

not a planet. And this sub lord is also not a star.... " . Whereas, the

sublord is taken as planet in all the k.p.Readers. Mr.KSK never ever

said anywhere in volume I & II of Krishnamoorthy paddhati that

the sublord is a planet.

Regards

R.Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 7/27/08, Ravinder Grover <rgrover (AT) xtra (DOT) co.nz>

wrote:

Ravinder Grover <rgrover (AT) xtra (DOT) co.nz>

RE: Re: 4 step theory : questions

@gro ups.com

Sunday, July 27, 2008, 12:08 AM

27th July

2008

Dear Subhash ji

Thanks for your

email. I have some further question as follows:

Taking your example:

Step 1: Sub Lord Cusp(7)

signifies houses(2 or 7 or 11) è marriage promised

Step 2: Dasa of Jupiter

and Jupiter in Star Venus Sub Mars

Step 2: Dasa Lord

Jupiter DOES NOT signify marriage

Step 3: Bhukti Lord

Venus DOES NOT signify marriage

Step 4: Sub Lord

Mars signify marriage

Then what will happen?

Regards

RG

@gro ups.com [k_p_

system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Subhash

Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:55 PM

@gro ups.com

Re: 4 step theory : questions

Dear Ravinder ji

I have taken hypothetical case of any planet.

Now assume that the querry is about marriage. 7th sub lord had

indicated that the marriage is promised. And the native is running Jupiter

Dasha.

Jupiter is in the star of Venus and sub

of Mars.

Let us say Jupiter (at planet level) signifies house 2. Its

star lord Venus is in 11 and thus signifies 11 in addition to 3 and 8. So

it can be said that Jupiter, at planet level and at star level, is

favorable for marriage in its dasha.

However as stated by Prof KSK, the sub lord (in this case

Mars) has the power to decide wthether marriage should take place

in Jupiter dasha or not. If this sub lord Mars

signifies 1, 6 or 10 (houses 12th to 2, 7 and 11) it will not favor

marriage. But if it signifies ,say, 3, 6, 7 , 9 and 11 it will be

favorable for marriage in Jupiter dasha because it signifies houses 7 and

11.

Thus the role of Mars, in this case, will be to tell whether Jupiter can

give marriage in its dasha or not.

I hope it is clear now.

Regards

@gro ups.com, " Ravinder Grover "

<rgrover wrote:

>

> 24th July 2008

>

> Dear Subhash ji

>

> Can you please give some examples for others to understand this

clearly.

>

> What would be the role of Mars ? How Mars will tell whether it is

> Beneficial for JUp or not

>

> Thanks

>

> RG

>

> @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou

ps.com] On

> Behalf Of Subhash

> Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:42 AM

> @gro ups.com

> Re: 4 step theory : questions

>

> Dear Mr. Naidu ji and members

>

> The Theory of Guruji KSK is well known to everybody. That the planet

gives

> the results of the house occupied by its Star Lord and the house(s)

owned by

> such star lord. And further that the sub lord decides as to whether

these

> results will be favorable or not.

>

> To explain your doubts in a simple manner let us take a planet Jupiter

in

> the star of Venus and sub of Mars.

>

> When we are working out the significations for a planet Jupiter, it is

> supposed to give the results of the house occupied by Venus-its star

lord-

> and the houses owned by Venus. This is as per KP Principles and

therefore it

> is OK. Your doubt is why the star lord of Venus should not be

considered?

> Then its star lord? Where do we expect to stop this? Mr. Naidu ji I

really

> appriciate your intelligent querry.

>

> My personal views about this, as a student of KP and 4 Step Theory,

are as

> follows:

>

> Since we are considering significations of Jupiter (I repeat, Jupiter

only)

> we have to restrict our analysis up to its star lord level only. In

this

> case it is Venus. Star Lord of Venus should be considered ONLY WHEN

> signification of Venus is being worked out.

>

> Now take the case of Sub Lord Mars. Here, Mars has deciding power to

decide

> whether result offered by Jupiter is favorable or not. Nothing beyond

that.

> Signification of Mars will decide this, which is restricted upto star

level

> only. So we have to stop our analysis at this level. We cannot go to

the sub

> level of Mars. Why? Remember, the sub of Mars has no power to decide

about

> results offered by Jupiter. It has power to decide about the results

offered

> b Mars only.

>

> Views of senior members like Mr. L.Y.Rao, Sunil Gondhalekar, Punit

Pandey ji

> will be highly appriciated.

>

> Ragards

>

> Subhash Ektare

>

> @gro ups.com, " K. P. Naidu "

konathalan@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Subhash Ji,

> > Â

> > Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star lord),and at

sublord

> level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sri

K.M.Subrahmanian in

> his books " KPM Astrology for Beginners). In some articles I found

sub lord's

> sub lord also is taken as significator.

> > Sub lord is a PLANET and hence such planet's star lord may be

considered

> it is said.

> > Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star lord and

sub lord

> can also be considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a planet. It's

star

> lord and sub also can be considered ? Â To what extent can it be

STRETCHED ?

> > This not a creticism nor negation of any principle / theoy. Just

out of

> acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.

> > KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.

> > Â

> > naidu KP

> >

> > K. P. Naidu,

> > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts...,

> > Nowroji Road,

> > Maharanipeta,

> > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.

> > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.

> >

> > --- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash subhash_ektare@ wrote:

> >

> > Subhash subhash_ektare@

> > Re: 4 step theory : questions

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:13 PM

> >

> > Dear Dhanabalan,

> > You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr. Krishnamurty,

> himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this date.Â It is

quite

> natural that most of the contents of 1966 book are reproduced in

Readers

> since the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati remained the same.

> > Modifications, as pointed by you,Â may be due to subsequent

research

> carried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this pointÂ very clear

inÂ

> subsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse me, but I do not

agree

> to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is lost.

> > Since I have not read the Books by Sagar Publications, I cannot

comment on

> it.Â However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the sublord atÂ places

in

> his Readers.Â In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar got inspiration to

develope

> " Four Step Theory " only after readingÂ famous series of

articles " The Sub

> Lord Speaks " by Mr. K. M. Subramaniam.. .Â " Four Step

Theory " was the result

> of his (Mr. Gondhalekar' s) vast experience and research work.

> > Four Step TheoryÂ is an extension of KP.Â It respects and honors

all KP

> Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a planet. And if a

planet

> is supposed to giveÂ result of a house where its star lord is

tenented,

> logically this should apply to sub also. This is exactly what the 4th

step

> is.

> > Any further questions are welcome.

> > Subhash Ektare

> > Â

> >

> > Â

> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

<r.dhanabalan@ ....>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear members,

> > > 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in Volume II of

> Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year 1966. In page

113

> " According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow money

during the dasa

> bukthies of

> > > a) planets in the star or sub of occupants of 6th house

> > > b) occupants of 6th house

> > > c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house

> > > d) lord of 6th house....... ........ "

> > > Â

> > > In page 274 of volume II of sagar publication, the same is

repeated for

> the houses 2,5,11.

> > > Â

> > > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been taken

from Volume

> I & II of above sagar publications. The publishers have modified the

original

> content of volume II and published as Reader III. For the same chart,

the

> signlord in volume II is just replaced with sublord in the Reader III.

The

> originality of Mr.KSK has lost. Reader III is not reliable. But volume

I & II

> of sagar publication is reliable. For comparision, I am giving the

page

> numbers of volumeii and Reader III

> > > pages in volume IIÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â

> Â Â Â Â Â Pages in Reader III

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> > > Â

> > > 3)Mr.KSK never ever nowhere asked sub's starlord either for

planet or

> for cusp sublord in the volume I & II of sagar publications. It is

stated that

> Mr.KSK took starlord for sublord with reference to Reader III. Is

there any

> reference in volume I & II of sagar publications for sub's star by

Mr.KSK.

> > > Regars,

> > > R.Dhanabalan

> > >

> >

> > Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to

> http://in.promos. / groups/

> >

>

July 29, 2008

Dear Mr Subhash

1) The question is whether the marriage will happen in the period of dasa whose sub signifying 6 and 7. The marriage will happen with hurdles. Thats all. May be some problem between the couples during that dasa period depends upon the fate. If the next dasa starts whose sub signifies only 2,7,11 and not 4,6,10, there will not be any problem for the couples. But the reverse is true depends upon the fate.

2) The fate of the couple is decided by the 7th cusp signlord, starlord and sublord. The fate will come in force during the dasa period and in transit. If the fate is good, then the dasa and transit will not affect the person much. If the fate is bad, he should experience in the dasa and transit which is unfavourable to him.

3) If the 7th cusp signifies 7,6,12, it may end with seperation and divorce.If the 7th cusp signifies only 2,7,11, there will not be any problem in the married life.

R.Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare wrote:

Subhash <subhash_ektare Re: 4 step theory : questions Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 5:52 PM

Dear Mr. SatiahI beg to differ from your understanding a little bit. If sub signifies2, 7 or 11 and simultaneouslysignify 1, 4, 6 or 10 it will favour the marriage. Here signification of2, 7 or 11 will be responsiblefor giving marriage while signification of unfavorable houses will playtheir role after marriage.Remember what KSK had said " Under such circumstances, there should beboth entries in theBalance Sheet and they never cancell each other"This is my understanding please. Comments from seniors are welcome.Regards,Subhash Ektare@gro ups.com, "R Satish" <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote:>>> Dear Subhash,>> Subs signifying 2or7or11 should not simultaneously> signify 1,or4,or6,or10 houses.They are mutually conflicting. This

is> my understanding.>> Regards,>> Satish>>>>>> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare> subhash_ektare@ wrote:> >> > Dear Dhanabalan,> > Excuse me for intervention.> > What I understood from my little knowledge of KP, when Guruji KSK> says that "Only the planets having the sub signifying 2,7,11 by> occupation and ownership will give marriage. The planets having the> sub signifying 4,6,10 by occupation and ownership will not give> marriage'> > according to me it means that "out of the significators of houses> 2, 7 and 11 only (if there are more than 3/4 significators) those> having sub signifying 2,7, 11 by occuption and ownership will give> marriage. Other planets which are not the

significators of houses 2,> 7, 11 can not give marriage even if they are in the sub of planet> signifying 2, 7, 11.> > This is what my understanding is, correct me if I am wrong.> > Regards> > Subhash Ektare> >> >> >> > > > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, July 24, 2008 7:51:41 AM> > Re: Re: 4 step theory : questions> >> >> >> > Dear Mr Yogesh Rao Lajmi> >> > Mr.K.S.Krishnamoort hy, the founder of the k.p.system explained in> his books, how to choose the significators. According to him,> >> > The planets having beneficial sub are the significators for the> event

to happen.> >> > For example, for marriage,> > Only the planets having the sub signifying 2,7,11 by occupation and> ownership will give marriage. The planets having the sub signifying> 4,6,10 by occupation and ownership will not give marriage.> >> > When Ruling Planets are used to select the significators, only the> planets having beneficial sub to be selected as Ruling planets.> Planets having the sub of negating houses should not be taken as> Ruling planets.> >> > R.Dhanabalan> >> >> > --- On Thu, 7/24/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> wrote:> >> > Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > Re: Re: 4 step theory : questions> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, July 24, 2008, 5:41 AM>

>> >> > Dear Mr.Naidu,> > The late Mr.Kar had written about this...he> suggests the one can go on upto sub-sub or even sub-sub -sub level or> even further,till the time that a planet is reopeated... THAT planet> will be the strongest significator. ..> > Another rule to find out the strongeest> significator is also in vogue : "Among the significators arrived at> for an event,only those that are posited in the sub of a significator> whose star is untenanted.. .are the strongest... "> > L.Y.Rao.> > GOOD LUCK !> >> >> >> >> > > > K. P. Naidu konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > @gro ups.com> > Wednesday, 23 July, 2008 8:22:33 PM> > Re: Re: 4 step theory : questions> >>

>> > Dear Subhash Ji,> >> > Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star lord),and at> sublord level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sri> K.M.Subrahmanian in his books "KP Astrology for Beginners). In some> articles I found sub lord's sub lord also is taken as significator.> > Sub lord is a PLANET and hence such planet's star lord may be> considered it is said.> > Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star lord and sub> lord can also be considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a planet.> It's star lord and sub also can be considered ? To what extent can> it be STRETCHED ?> > This not a creticism nor negation of any principle / theoy. Just> out of acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.> > KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.> >> > naidu KP> >> > K.

P. Naidu,> > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,> > Nowroji Road,> > Maharanipeta,> > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.> > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.> >> > --- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> >> > Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >> > Re: 4 step theory : questions> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:13 PM> >> >> > Dear Dhanabalan,> > You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr. Krishnamurty,> himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this date. It is> quite natural that most of the contents of 1966 book are reproduced> in Readers since the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati remained the> same.> > Modifications, as pointed by you, may be due to subsequent>

research carried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this point> very clear in subsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse> me, but I do not agree to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is> lost.> > Since I have not read the Books by Sagar Publications, I cannot> comment on it. However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the sublord> at places in his Readers. In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar got> inspiration to develope "Four Step Theory" only after reading famous> series of articles "The Sub Lord Speaks" by Mr. K. M.> Subramaniam. "Four Step Theory" was the result of his (Mr.> Gondhalekar' s) vast experience and research work.> > Four Step Theory is an extension of KP. It respects and honors> all KP Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a planet. And> if a planet is supposed to give result of a house where its star> lord is

tenented, logically this should apply to sub also. This is> exactly what the 4th step is.> > Any further questions are welcome.> > Subhash Ektare> >> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R> <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear members,> > > 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in Volume II of> Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year 1966. In> page 113 "According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow money> during the dasa bukthies of> > > a) planets in the star or sub of occupants of 6th house> > > b) occupants of 6th house> > > c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house> > > d) lord of 6th house....... ........"> > >> > > In page 274 of volume II of sagar

publication, the same is> repeated for the houses 2,5,11.> > >> > > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been taken from> Volume I & II of above sagar publications. The publishers have modified> the original content of volume II and published as Reader III. For> the same chart, the signlord in volume II is just replaced with> sublord in the Reader III. The originality of Mr.KSK has lost. Reader> III is not reliable. But volume I & II of sagar publication is> reliable. For comparision, I am giving the page numbers of volumeii> and Reader III> > > pages in volume II Pages in> Reader III> > > 42 53> > > 61 169> > > 64> 171> > > 67> 175> > > 74> 181> > > 98,99> 204,205> > > 130> 226> > > 155>

254> > > 162> 261> > >> > > 3)Mr.KSK never ever nowhere asked sub's starlord either for> planet or for cusp sublord in the volume I & II of sagar publications.> It is stated that Mr.KSK took starlord for sublord with reference to> Reader III. Is there any reference in volume I & II of sagar> publications for sub's star by Mr.KSK.> > > Regars,> > > R.Dhanabalan> > >> >> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Save all your chat conversations. Find them online.> >>

July 29, 2008

dear subhash,

you have given correct message.but i want to add some more.

in kp(someone calls it as traditional kp) signification is done on

planet and its star level.

at present no one looks at it's sub level.

while in 4 step theory specific rules are laid down and made it

simple by using all KP principles.

-sunil gondhalekar

, " Subhash " <subhash_ektare

wrote:

>

> Dear Sujatkaram,

>

> Differences between traditional KP and 4 Step Theory are :

>

> 1) In both theories, sub has deciding power. I do not suscribe

>

> to your statement that in traditional KP sub has indicative power

>

> only.

>

> 2) In traditional KP, the analysis stops at sub level while in 4

Step

>

> theory it goes on to Star level of the sub. This is 4th step as you

> know.

>

> 3) In traditional KP, the significators of concerned houses are

worked

>

> out as per rules laid by KSK. Then only planet signification will

be

> worked

>

> out fron these significations. While in 4 Step Theory, the

signification

> of

>

> planet is worked out directly and separate rules are prescribed for

> this.

>

> These are my personal views which may be wrong. I will request

Shri.

>

> Gondhalekar ji to comment and correct me if I am wrong.

>

> Regards

>

> Subhash Ektare

, " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@>

wrote:

> >

> > Respected Subhashji and Sunilji,

> > Sir,

> > Subhashji,I am afraid I do not agree with your view here.If the

Sub

> > of a planet has deciding powers, it becomes 4-step theory. In

> > traditional KP, as laid down by Guruji, the sub of a planet has

only

> > indicative powers-not deciding ones.

> > It makes no difference whether Jupiter ia Mahadasha swami or

> > otherwise,it is a planet.If the Sub of a planet has, as you say,

> > deciding powers in traditional KP also, as laid down by our

revered

> > KSK,in what way four-step theory differs from it?

> > I would request Sunilji,the author of four step theory, to please

> > give his opinion.

> > best regards,

> > sujat. , " Subhash "

> > subhash_ektare@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sujatkaram,

> > >

> > > In my posting I have taken Planet Jupiter arbitrarily as an

> > example.

> > > And I have assumed its dasha is running. It has nothing to do

with

> > 7th

> > > house.

> > >

> > > The 7th house sub lord (may be any planet not necessarily

Mars) has

> > > promised the marriage. This sub will decide whether marriage

will be

> > > favorable or not. Yes, your understanding of Guruji's dictum is

> > > perfect. However I think you have mistaken Mars to be 7th sub

lord

> > which

> > > is not the case here.

> > >

> > > Mars, which is the sub lord of Jupiter (Dasha Lord), has power

to

> > decide

> > > whether Jupiter (as dasha lord) will give marriage in its

dasha or

> > not.

> > > It has no power to say whether marriage will be favorable or

not.

> > This

> > > is jurisdiction of the 7th sub lord.

> > >

> > > I hope this clears my views.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Subhash Ektare

> > >

> > > , " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Subhashji,

> > > > Sir,

> > > > In my opinion, it is according to 4-step theory that Mars,

as the

> > Sub

> > > > of Jupiter,has powers to decide whether marriage will take

place

> > or

> > > > otherwise.

> > > > According to Guruji,s dictum, Mars, as Sub, will indicate

whether

> > > > marriage will be favourable or not i.e. whether marriage will

> > produce

> > > > favourable results as desired,or not.

> > > >

> > > > Please correct me if I am wrong.

> > > > sujatkaram , " Subhash "

> > > > subhash_ektare@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ravinder ji

> > > > >

> > > > > I have taken hypothetical case of any planet.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now assume that the querry is about marriage. 7th sub lord

had

> > > > indicated

> > > > > that the marriage is promised. And the native is running

Jupiter

> > > > Dasha.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jupiter is in the star of Venus and sub of Mars.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us say Jupiter (at planet level) signifies house 2.

Its star

> > > > lord

> > > > > Venus is in 11 and thus signifies 11 in addition to 3 and

8. So

> > it

> > > > can

> > > > > be said that Jupiter, at planet level and at star level, is

> > > > favorable

> > > > > for marriage in its dasha.

> > > > >

> > > > > However as stated by Prof KSK, the sub lord (in this case

Mars)

> > > > has the

> > > > > power to decide wthether marriage should take place in

Jupiter

> > > > dasha or

> > > > > not. If this sub lord Mars signifies 1, 6 or 10 (houses

12th to

> > > > 2, 7

> > > > > and 11) it will not favor marriage. But if it

signifies ,say, 3,

> > > > 6, 7 ,

> > > > > 9 and 11 it will be favorable for marriage in Jupiter dasha

> > because

> > > > it

> > > > > signifies houses 7 and 11.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thus the role of Mars, in this case, will be to tell

whether

> > > > Jupiter can

> > > > > give marriage in its dasha or not.

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope it is clear now.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Ravinder Grover "

<rgrover@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 24th July 2008

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Subhash ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you please give some examples for others to

understand

> > this

> > > > > clearly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What would be the role of Mars ? How Mars will tell

whether

> > it is

> > > > > > Beneficial for JUp or not

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RG

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > On

> > > > > > Behalf Of Subhash

> > > > > > Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:42 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Re: 4 step theory : questions

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mr. Naidu ji and members

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Theory of Guruji KSK is well known to everybody.

That the

> > > > planet

> > > > > gives

> > > > > > the results of the house occupied by its Star Lord and

the

> > house

> > > > (s)

> > > > > owned by

> > > > > > such star lord. And further that the sub lord decides as

to

> > > > whether

> > > > > these

> > > > > > results will be favorable or not.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To explain your doubts in a simple manner let us take a

planet

> > > > Jupiter

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the star of Venus and sub of Mars.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When we are working out the significations for a planet

> > Jupiter,

> > > > it is

> > > > > > supposed to give the results of the house occupied by

Venus-

> > its

> > > > star

> > > > > lord-

> > > > > > and the houses owned by Venus. This is as per KP

Principles

> > and

> > > > > therefore it

> > > > > > is OK. Your doubt is why the star lord of Venus should

not be

> > > > > considered?

> > > > > > Then its star lord? Where do we expect to stop this? Mr.

> > Naidu ji

> > > > I

> > > > > really

> > > > > > appriciate your intelligent querry.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My personal views about this, as a student of KP and 4

Step

> > > > Theory,

> > > > > are as

> > > > > > follows:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since we are considering significations of Jupiter (I

repeat,

> > > > Jupiter

> > > > > only)

> > > > > > we have to restrict our analysis up to its star lord

level

> > only.

> > > > In

> > > > > this

> > > > > > case it is Venus. Star Lord of Venus should be

considered ONLY

> > > > WHEN

> > > > > > signification of Venus is being worked out.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now take the case of Sub Lord Mars. Here, Mars has

deciding

> > power

> > > > to

> > > > > decide

> > > > > > whether result offered by Jupiter is favorable or not.

Nothing

> > > > beyond

> > > > > that.

> > > > > > Signification of Mars will decide this, which is

restricted

> > upto

> > > > star

> > > > > level

> > > > > > only. So we have to stop our analysis at this level. We

> > cannot go

> > > > to

> > > > > the sub

> > > > > > level of Mars. Why? Remember, the sub of Mars has no

power to

> > > > decide

> > > > > about

> > > > > > results offered by Jupiter. It has power to decide about

the

> > > > results

> > > > > offered

> > > > > > b Mars only.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Views of senior members like Mr. L.Y.Rao, Sunil

Gondhalekar,

> > Punit

> > > > > Pandey ji

> > > > > > will be highly appriciated.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ragards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " K. P. Naidu "

konathalan@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Subhash Ji,

> > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star

> > lord),and at

> > > > > sublord

> > > > > > level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sri

> > > > > K.M.Subrahmanian in

> > > > > > his books " KPM Astrology for Beginners). In some

articles I

> > found

> > > > sub

> > > > > lord's

> > > > > > sub lord also is taken as significator.

> > > > > > > Sub lord is a PLANET and hence such planet's star lord

may

> > be

> > > > > considered

> > > > > > it is said.

> > > > > > > Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star

lord

> > and

> > > > sub

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > can also be considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a

> > planet.

> > > > It's

> > > > > star

> > > > > > lord and sub also can be considered ? Â To what extent

can

> it

> > > be

> > > > > STRETCHED ?

> > > > > > > This not a creticism nor negation of any principle /

theoy.

> > > > Just out

> > > > > of

> > > > > > acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.

> > > > > > > KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.

> > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > naidu KP

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > K. P. Naidu,

> > > > > > > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,

> > > > > > > Nowroji Road,

> > > > > > > Maharanipeta,

> > > > > > > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.

> > > > > > > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash subhash_ektare@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Subhash subhash_ektare@

> > > > > > > Re: 4 step theory : questions

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:13 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan,

> > > > > > > You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr.

> > > > Krishnamurty,

> > > > > > himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this

> date.Â

> > It

> > > is

> > > > > quite

> > > > > > natural that most of the contents of 1966 book are

reproduced

> > in

> > > > > Readers

> > > > > > since the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati remained the

same.

> > > > > > > Modifications, as pointed by you,Â may be due to

> subsequent

> > > > > research

> > > > > > carried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this

pointÂ

> > very

> > > > > clear inÂ

> > > > > > subsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse me,

but I

> > do

> > > > not

> > > > > agree

> > > > > > to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is lost.

> > > > > > > Since I have not read the Books by Sagar Publications,

I

> > cannot

> > > > > comment on

> > > > > > it.Â However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the

sublord

> > > atÂ

> > > > > places in

> > > > > > his Readers.Â In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar got

inspiration

> to

> > > > > develope

> > > > > > " Four Step Theory " only after readingÂ famous series of

> > > articles

> > > > > " The Sub

> > > > > > Lord Speaks " by Mr. K. M. Subramaniam.Â " Four Step

Theory "

> was

> > > the

> > > > > result

> > > > > > of his (Mr. Gondhalekar' s) vast experience and research

work.

> > > > > > > Four Step TheoryÂ is an extension of KP.Â It respects

> and

> > > > > honors all KP

> > > > > > Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a

planet.

> > And if

> > > > a

> > > > > planet

> > > > > > is supposed to giveÂ result of a house where its star

lord

> is

> > > > > tenented,

> > > > > > logically this should apply to sub also. This is exactly

what

> > the

> > > > 4th

> > > > > step

> > > > > > is.

> > > > > > > Any further questions are welcome.

> > > > > > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

> > > > <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear members,

> > > > > > > > 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in

Volume II

> > of

> > > > > > Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year

> > 1966. In

> > > > page

> > > > > 113

> > > > > > " According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow

money

> > > > during the

> > > > > dasa

> > > > > > bukthies of

> > > > > > > > a) planets in the star or sub of occupants of 6th

house

> > > > > > > > b) occupants of 6th house

> > > > > > > > c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house

> > > > > > > > d) lord of 6th house....... ........ "

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > In page 274 of volume II of sagar publication, the

same is

> > > > > repeated for

> > > > > > the houses 2,5,11.

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been

taken

> > from

> > > > > Volume

> > > > > > I & II of above sagar publications. The publishers have

> > modified the

> > > > > original

> > > > > > content of volume II and published as Reader III. For

the same

> > > > chart,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > signlord in volume II is just replaced with sublord in

the

> > Reader

> > > > III.

> > > > > The

> > > > > > originality of Mr.KSK has lost. Reader III is not

reliable.

> > But

> > > > volume

> > > > > I & II

> > > > > > of sagar publication is reliable. For comparision, I am

> > giving the

> > > > > page

> > > > > > numbers of volumeii and Reader III

> > > > > > > > pages in volume IIÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â

> > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Pages in Reader III

> > > > > > > > 42Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 53

> > > > > > > > 61Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 169

> > > > > > > > 64Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 171

> > > > > > > > 67Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 175

> > > > > > > > 74Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> 181

> > > > > > > > 98,99Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 204,205

> > > > > > > > 130Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 226

> > > > > > > > 155Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 254

> > > > > > > > 162Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 261

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > 3)Mr.KSK never ever nowhere asked sub's starlord

either

> > for

> > > > planet

> > > > > or

> > > > > > for cusp sublord in the volume I & II of sagar

publications. It

> > is

> > > > > stated that

> > > > > > Mr.KSK took starlord for sublord with reference to Reader

> > III. Is

> > > > > there any

> > > > > > reference in volume I & II of sagar publications for sub's

star

> > by

> > > > > Mr.KSK.

> > > > > > > > Regars,

> > > > > > > > R.Dhanabalan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to

> > > > > > http://in.promos./groups/

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

July 29, 2008

Respected Subhashji,

OK sir.Be it so. Let us walk along our chosen path.One who stumbles

will recover and change his course.

regards, sujat

, " Subhash " <subhash_ektare

wrote:

>

> Dear Sujatkaram,

>

> Differences between traditional KP and 4 Step Theory are :

>

> 1) In both theories, sub has deciding power. I do not suscribe

>

> to your statement that in traditional KP sub has indicative power

>

> only.

>

> 2) In traditional KP, the analysis stops at sub level while in 4

Step

>

> theory it goes on to Star level of the sub. This is 4th step as you

> know.

>

> 3) In traditional KP, the significators of concerned houses are

worked

>

> out as per rules laid by KSK. Then only planet signification will be

> worked

>

> out fron these significations. While in 4 Step Theory, the

signification

> of

>

> planet is worked out directly and separate rules are prescribed for

> this.

>

> These are my personal views which may be wrong. I will request Shri.

>

> Gondhalekar ji to comment and correct me if I am wrong.

>

> Regards

>

> Subhash Ektare

, " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Subhashji and Sunilji,

> > Sir,

> > Subhashji,I am afraid I do not agree with your view here.If the

Sub

> > of a planet has deciding powers, it becomes 4-step theory. In

> > traditional KP, as laid down by Guruji, the sub of a planet has

only

> > indicative powers-not deciding ones.

> > It makes no difference whether Jupiter ia Mahadasha swami or

> > otherwise,it is a planet.If the Sub of a planet has, as you say,

> > deciding powers in traditional KP also, as laid down by our

revered

> > KSK,in what way four-step theory differs from it?

> > I would request Sunilji,the author of four step theory, to please

> > give his opinion.

> > best regards,

> > sujat. , " Subhash "

> > subhash_ektare@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sujatkaram,

> > >

> > > In my posting I have taken Planet Jupiter arbitrarily as an

> > example.

> > > And I have assumed its dasha is running. It has nothing to do

with

> > 7th

> > > house.

> > >

> > > The 7th house sub lord (may be any planet not necessarily Mars)

has

> > > promised the marriage. This sub will decide whether marriage

will be

> > > favorable or not. Yes, your understanding of Guruji's dictum is

> > > perfect. However I think you have mistaken Mars to be 7th sub

lord

> > which

> > > is not the case here.

> > >

> > > Mars, which is the sub lord of Jupiter (Dasha Lord), has power

to

> > decide

> > > whether Jupiter (as dasha lord) will give marriage in its dasha

or

> > not.

> > > It has no power to say whether marriage will be favorable or

not.

> > This

> > > is jurisdiction of the 7th sub lord.

> > >

> > > I hope this clears my views.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Subhash Ektare

> > >

> > > , " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Subhashji,

> > > > Sir,

> > > > In my opinion, it is according to 4-step theory that Mars, as

the

> > Sub

> > > > of Jupiter,has powers to decide whether marriage will take

place

> > or

> > > > otherwise.

> > > > According to Guruji,s dictum, Mars, as Sub, will indicate

whether

> > > > marriage will be favourable or not i.e. whether marriage will

> > produce

> > > > favourable results as desired,or not.

> > > >

> > > > Please correct me if I am wrong.

> > > > sujatkaram , " Subhash "

> > > > subhash_ektare@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ravinder ji

> > > > >

> > > > > I have taken hypothetical case of any planet.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now assume that the querry is about marriage. 7th sub lord

had

> > > > indicated

> > > > > that the marriage is promised. And the native is running

Jupiter

> > > > Dasha.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jupiter is in the star of Venus and sub of Mars.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us say Jupiter (at planet level) signifies house 2. Its

star

> > > > lord

> > > > > Venus is in 11 and thus signifies 11 in addition to 3 and

8. So

> > it

> > > > can

> > > > > be said that Jupiter, at planet level and at star level, is

> > > > favorable

> > > > > for marriage in its dasha.

> > > > >

> > > > > However as stated by Prof KSK, the sub lord (in this case

Mars)

> > > > has the

> > > > > power to decide wthether marriage should take place in

Jupiter

> > > > dasha or

> > > > > not. If this sub lord Mars signifies 1, 6 or 10 (houses

12th to

> > > > 2, 7

> > > > > and 11) it will not favor marriage. But if it

signifies ,say, 3,

> > > > 6, 7 ,

> > > > > 9 and 11 it will be favorable for marriage in Jupiter dasha

> > because

> > > > it

> > > > > signifies houses 7 and 11.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thus the role of Mars, in this case, will be to tell whether

> > > > Jupiter can

> > > > > give marriage in its dasha or not.

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope it is clear now.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Ravinder Grover "

<rgrover@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 24th July 2008

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Subhash ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you please give some examples for others to understand

> > this

> > > > > clearly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What would be the role of Mars ? How Mars will tell

whether

> > it is

> > > > > > Beneficial for JUp or not

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RG

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > On

> > > > > > Behalf Of Subhash

> > > > > > Thursday, July 24, 2008 10:42 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Re: 4 step theory : questions

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mr. Naidu ji and members

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Theory of Guruji KSK is well known to everybody. That

the

> > > > planet

> > > > > gives

> > > > > > the results of the house occupied by its Star Lord and the

> > house

> > > > (s)

> > > > > owned by

> > > > > > such star lord. And further that the sub lord decides as

to

> > > > whether

> > > > > these

> > > > > > results will be favorable or not.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To explain your doubts in a simple manner let us take a

planet

> > > > Jupiter

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the star of Venus and sub of Mars.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When we are working out the significations for a planet

> > Jupiter,

> > > > it is

> > > > > > supposed to give the results of the house occupied by

Venus-

> > its

> > > > star

> > > > > lord-

> > > > > > and the houses owned by Venus. This is as per KP

Principles

> > and

> > > > > therefore it

> > > > > > is OK. Your doubt is why the star lord of Venus should

not be

> > > > > considered?

> > > > > > Then its star lord? Where do we expect to stop this? Mr.

> > Naidu ji

> > > > I

> > > > > really

> > > > > > appriciate your intelligent querry.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My personal views about this, as a student of KP and 4

Step

> > > > Theory,

> > > > > are as

> > > > > > follows:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since we are considering significations of Jupiter (I

repeat,

> > > > Jupiter

> > > > > only)

> > > > > > we have to restrict our analysis up to its star lord level

> > only.

> > > > In

> > > > > this

> > > > > > case it is Venus. Star Lord of Venus should be considered

ONLY

> > > > WHEN

> > > > > > signification of Venus is being worked out.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now take the case of Sub Lord Mars. Here, Mars has

deciding

> > power

> > > > to

> > > > > decide

> > > > > > whether result offered by Jupiter is favorable or not.

Nothing

> > > > beyond

> > > > > that.

> > > > > > Signification of Mars will decide this, which is

restricted

> > upto

> > > > star

> > > > > level

> > > > > > only. So we have to stop our analysis at this level. We

> > cannot go

> > > > to

> > > > > the sub

> > > > > > level of Mars. Why? Remember, the sub of Mars has no

power to

> > > > decide

> > > > > about

> > > > > > results offered by Jupiter. It has power to decide about

the

> > > > results

> > > > > offered

> > > > > > b Mars only.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Views of senior members like Mr. L.Y.Rao, Sunil

Gondhalekar,

> > Punit

> > > > > Pandey ji

> > > > > > will be highly appriciated.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ragards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " K. P. Naidu "

konathalan@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Subhash Ji,

> > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > Significators at stellar level (Planet and its star

> > lord),and at

> > > > > sublord

> > > > > > level (sublord and its star lord) are mentioned by sri

> > > > > K.M.Subrahmanian in

> > > > > > his books " KPM Astrology for Beginners). In some articles

I

> > found

> > > > sub

> > > > > lord's

> > > > > > sub lord also is taken as significator.

> > > > > > > Sub lord is a PLANET and hence such planet's star lord

may

> > be

> > > > > considered

> > > > > > it is said.

> > > > > > > Insuch a case star lord is also a planet and its star

lord

> > and

> > > > sub

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > can also be considered ? sub lord's star lord is also a

> > planet.

> > > > It's

> > > > > star

> > > > > > lord and sub also can be considered ? Â To what extent can

> it

> > > be

> > > > > STRETCHED ?

> > > > > > > This not a creticism nor negation of any principle /

theoy.

> > > > Just out

> > > > > of

> > > > > > acaedemic interest, to learn the KP system.

> > > > > > > KP lovers may kindly clarify / justify.

> > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > naidu KP

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > K. P. Naidu,

> > > > > > > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,

> > > > > > > Nowroji Road,

> > > > > > > Maharanipeta,

> > > > > > > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.

> > > > > > > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Tue, 22/7/08, Subhash subhash_ektare@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Subhash subhash_ektare@

> > > > > > > Re: 4 step theory : questions

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tuesday, 22 July, 2008, 1:13 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan,

> > > > > > > You are referring to the Book published in 1966. Mr.

> > > > Krishnamurty,

> > > > > > himself, has published his Readers subsequent to this

> date.Â

> > It

> > > is

> > > > > quite

> > > > > > natural that most of the contents of 1966 book are

reproduced

> > in

> > > > > Readers

> > > > > > since the basics of Krishnamurty Paddhati remained the

same.

> > > > > > > Modifications, as pointed by you,Â may be due to

> subsequent

> > > > > research

> > > > > > carried out by Guruji KSK himself. He has made this pointÂ

> > very

> > > > > clear inÂ

> > > > > > subsequent editions of these Readers. Please excuse me,

but I

> > do

> > > > not

> > > > > agree

> > > > > > to your opinion that originality of Mr.KSK is lost.

> > > > > > > Since I have not read the Books by Sagar Publications, I

> > cannot

> > > > > comment on

> > > > > > it.Â However, Guruji KSK has used star lord of the sublord

> > > atÂ

> > > > > places in

> > > > > > his Readers.Â In fact Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar got

inspiration

> to

> > > > > develope

> > > > > > " Four Step Theory " only after readingÂ famous series of

> > > articles

> > > > > " The Sub

> > > > > > Lord Speaks " by Mr. K. M. Subramaniam.Â " Four Step Theory "

> was

> > > the

> > > > > result

> > > > > > of his (Mr. Gondhalekar' s) vast experience and research

work.

> > > > > > > Four Step TheoryÂ is an extension of KP.Â It respects

> and

> > > > > honors all KP

> > > > > > Principles. In KP, sub is treated as or taken as a planet.

> > And if

> > > > a

> > > > > planet

> > > > > > is supposed to giveÂ result of a house where its star lord

> is

> > > > > tenented,

> > > > > > logically this should apply to sub also. This is exactly

what

> > the

> > > > 4th

> > > > > step

> > > > > > is.

> > > > > > > Any further questions are welcome.

> > > > > > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

> > > > <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear members,

> > > > > > > > 1) Mr.KSK has taken the sub as significator in Volume

II

> > of

> > > > > > Krishnamoorthy Paddhati of Sagar publication in the year

> > 1966. In

> > > > page

> > > > > 113

> > > > > > " According to Krishnamoorthy paddhati, one can borrow

money

> > > > during the

> > > > > dasa

> > > > > > bukthies of

> > > > > > > > a) planets in the star or sub of occupants of 6th

house

> > > > > > > > b) occupants of 6th house

> > > > > > > > c) planets in the star or sub of lord of 6th house

> > > > > > > > d) lord of 6th house....... ........ "

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > In page 274 of volume II of sagar publication, the

same is

> > > > > repeated for

> > > > > > the houses 2,5,11.

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > 2) Most of the contents of K.P.Reader III has been

taken

> > from

> > > > > Volume

> > > > > > I & II of above sagar publications. The publishers have

> > modified the

> > > > > original

> > > > > > content of volume II and published as Reader III. For the

same

> > > > chart,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > signlord in volume II is just replaced with sublord in the

> > Reader

> > > > III.

> > > > > The

> > > > > > originality of Mr.KSK has lost. Reader III is not

reliable.

> > But

> > > > volume

> > > > > I & II

> > > > > > of sagar publication is reliable. For comparision, I am

> > giving the

> > > > > page

> > > > > > numbers of volumeii and Reader III

> > > > > > > > pages in volume IIÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â

> > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Pages in Reader III

> > > > > > > > 42Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 53

> > > > > > > > 61Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> > > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 169

> > > > > > > > 64Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

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> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

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> > > Â

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> > > > > > > > 67Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

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> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

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> > > > > > > > 98,99Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

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> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 204,205

> > > > > > > > 130Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

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> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 226

> > > > > > > > 155Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

> Â

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> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 254

> > > > > > > > 162Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

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> Â

> > > Â

> > > > > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 261

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > 3)Mr.KSK never ever nowhere asked sub's starlord

either

> > for

> > > > planet

> > > > > or

> > > > > > for cusp sublord in the volume I & II of sagar

publications. It

> > is

> > > > > stated that

> > > > > > Mr.KSK took starlord for sublord with reference to Reader

> > III. Is

> > > > > there any

> > > > > > reference in volume I & II of sagar publications for sub's

star

> > by

> > > > > Mr.KSK.

> > > > > > > > Regars,

> > > > > > > > R.Dhanabalan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to

> > > > > > http://in.promos./groups/

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

July 29, 2008

Dear shri danabalan Ji,I could not follow what is said in para 2 and 3 of your msg. will you pl clarify.Para 2. Fate of couple is decided by 7th cusp sign, star and sub lords. If Fate is good means what ? Next 7th cusp of male and female ? If male fate is good and female fate is bad, what would be the end result of couple ?Para 3. 7th cusp signifies. How cusp signifies ? Is it cuspal sign, star and sub lords ?Regards.Naidu KPK. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Tue, 29/7/08, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe:

Re: 4 step theory : questions Date: Tuesday, 29 July, 2008, 6:57 AM

Dear Mr Subhash

1) The question is whether the marriage will happen in the period of dasa whose sub signifying 6 and 7. The marriage will happen with hurdles. Thats all. May be some problem between the couples during that dasa period depends upon the fate. If the next dasa starts whose sub signifies only 2,7,11 and not 4,6,10, there will not be any problem for the couples. But the reverse is true depends upon the fate.

2) The fate of the couple is decided by the 7th cusp signlord, starlord and sublord. The fate will come in force during the dasa period and in transit. If the fate is good, then the dasa and transit will not affect the person much. If the fate is bad, he should experience in the dasa and transit which is unfavourable to him.

3) If the 7th cusp signifies 7,6,12, it may end with seperation and divorce.If the 7th cusp signifies only 2,7,11, there will not be any problem in the married life.

R.Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > Re: 4 step theory : questions@gro ups.comMonday, July 28, 2008, 5:52 PM

Dear Mr. SatiahI beg to differ from your understanding a little bit. If sub signifies2, 7 or 11 and simultaneouslysignify 1, 4, 6 or 10 it will favour the marriage. Here signification of2, 7 or 11 will be responsiblefor giving marriage while signification of unfavorable houses will playtheir role after marriage.Remember what KSK had said " Under such circumstances, there should beboth entries in theBalance Sheet and they never cancell each other"This is my understanding please. Comments from seniors are welcome.Regards,Subhash Ektare@gro ups.com, "R Satish" <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote:>>> Dear Subhash,>> Subs signifying 2or7or11 should not simultaneously> signify 1,or4,or6,or10 houses.They are mutually conflicting.

This

is> my understanding.>> Regards,>> Satish>>>>>> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare> subhash_ektare@ wrote:> >> > Dear Dhanabalan,> > Excuse me for intervention.> > What I understood from my little knowledge of KP, when Guruji KSK> says that "Only the planets having the sub signifying 2,7,11 by> occupation and ownership will give marriage. The planets having the> sub signifying 4,6,10 by occupation and ownership will not give> marriage'> > according to me it means that "out of the significators of houses> 2, 7 and 11 only (if there are more than 3/4 significators) those> having sub signifying 2,7, 11 by occuption and ownership will give> marriage. Other planets which are not the

significators of houses 2,> 7, 11 can not give marriage even if they are in the sub of planet> signifying 2, 7, 11.> > This is what my understanding is, correct me if I am wrong.> > Regards> > Subhash Ektare> >> >> >> > > > Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, July 24, 2008 7:51:41 AM> > Re: Re: 4 step theory : questions> >> >> >> > Dear Mr Yogesh Rao Lajmi> >> > Mr.K.S.Krishnamoort hy, the founder of the k.p.system explained in> his books, how to choose the significators. According to him,> >> > The planets having beneficial sub are the significators for the>

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