Apsaraas and Marriages: The American Tale of Camelot!

March 16, 2009

Three characters:

John F. Kennedy

Jacqueline K. Onassis

Marilyn Monroe

....

March 16, 2009

Another set may be added in the same context:

Bill Clinton

Hillary Clinton

Monica Lewinsky

2009/3/16 Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

> Three characters:

>

> John F. Kennedy

> Jacqueline K. Onassis

> Marilyn Monroe

>

> ...

>

March 16, 2009

Namaste Rohini Ranjan,

The apsara model appears to work for Kennedy's chart. He had the lagna in

Virgo. In the navamsha chart, the apsara karaka is Mercury itself.

In the bhava chart, Jupiter the 7th lord, Mars and Mercury are in conjunction in

the 8th house of secret affairs. So, this would explain Kennedy's purported

many love affairs, including Marilyn Monroe, the very beatiful apsara of

Hollywood fame.

Regards,

John R.

, " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Three characters:

>

> John F. Kennedy

> Jacqueline K. Onassis

> Marilyn Monroe

>

> ...

>

March 16, 2009

Namaste Neelam,

The apsara model appears to apply on Clinton's chart as well. Specifically, his

lagna is Karka. In the navamsha, the apsara karaka is Venus, lord of the 7th

house from Mercury.

In the rashi chart, Mars, the fifth lord and Venus, the apsara karaka, are

conjunct in the third house of publicity. Also, Venus is neecha in Virgo, the

third house. Thus, we observed the very notorious and salacious news articles

and books that were written about Clinton's relationship with Monica Lewinsky, a

very good looking intern worthy of an apsara personified in the White House.

Regards,

John R.

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Another set may be added in the same context:

>

> Bill Clinton

> Hillary Clinton

> Monica Lewinsky

>

> 2009/3/16 Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

>

> > Three characters:

> >

> > John F. Kennedy

> > Jacqueline K. Onassis

> > Marilyn Monroe

> >

> > ...

> >

>

March 16, 2009

Dear John

Namaste

The debate on the lagna for Clinton never saw a peaceful settlement. Many

still go by Virgo lagna for him (KNR *et al*). But surely it is a good chart

for the topic of apsaras and fatal attractions. He did have a fair share of

temptations to which he also succumbed -- from the corridor of power,

straying into paths of pleasure. The proverbial falling in love applied to

him literally when, not once or twice, he fell five times!! Historically,

Lewinsky being his fifth ‘fall’, excluding some of the unrecorded ones. Even

the permissive US society said enough and declared ‘fault’.

The first one was with Hillary, a library fall, not bad.

The second one known as the horticultural fall, with Gennifer Flowers.

The third, a routine temptation with Paula Jones.

The fourth was with Kathleen Willey.

And the fifth, the most disastrous one, was with Monica Lewinsky.

Regarding your point of Karakas, and mercury being the karaka, I can’t

comment. I would rather go by venus only, which becomes the karak of both

rise and fall, as far as feminine temptations are concerned. Isn’t it the

universal karaka of love and sex, why would it share its portfolio with

mercury? A careful scrutiny of venus in relation with dashas would reveal

much about these issues. For Clinton, whatever be the lagna, a debilitated

venus with mars aspected by Saturn and Rahu says all.

The houses of course would be 3,7,11 and 5 both from lagna and moon. A

marriage would mean 7H comes on the scene. In fact, we may not include

marriage in the list of temptations. 7H is minimum requirement to clear our

social obligations and has no repentance or negative connotations with it.

But beyond that whatever allures is temptation.

Also we may check for R/K, one blows the hearth and the other roasts.

Best Regards

Neelam

2009/3/16 John <jr_esq

> Namaste Neelam,

>

> The apsara model appears to apply on Clinton's chart as well. Specifically,

> his lagna is Karka. In the navamsha, the apsara karaka is Venus, lord of the

> 7th house from Mercury.

>

> In the rashi chart, Mars, the fifth lord and Venus, the apsara karaka, are

> conjunct in the third house of publicity. Also, Venus is neecha in Virgo,

> the third house. Thus, we observed the very notorious and salacious news

> articles and books that were written about Clinton's relationship with

> Monica Lewinsky, a very good looking intern worthy of an apsara personified

> in the White House.

>

> Regards,

>

> John R.

>

> <%40>,

> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

> >

> > Another set may be added in the same context:

> >

> > Bill Clinton

> > Hillary Clinton

> > Monica Lewinsky

> >

> > 2009/3/16 Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

> >

> > > Three characters:

> > >

> > > John F. Kennedy

> > > Jacqueline K. Onassis

> > > Marilyn Monroe

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> >

March 16, 2009

Dear Neelamji,

Thank you for the in depth analysis. As regards the role of Mercury can we think

that it may have a role as acontributor to beauty. We know what happens if

Mercury is in the 12th house.

Regards,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

--- On Mon, 3/16/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

Re: Re: Apsaraas and Marriages: The American Tale of

Camelot!

Monday, March 16, 2009, 1:28 AM

Dear John

Namaste

The debate on the lagna for Clinton never saw a peaceful settlement. Many

still go by Virgo lagna for him (KNR *et al*). But surely it is a good chart

for the topic of apsaras and fatal attractions. He did have a fair share of

temptations to which he also succumbed -- from the corridor of power,

straying into paths of pleasure. The proverbial falling in love applied to

him literally when, not once or twice, he fell five times!! Historically,

Lewinsky being his fifth â€˜fallâ€™, excluding some of the unrecorded ones.

Even

the permissive US society said enough and declared â€˜faultâ€™.

The first one was with Hillary, a library fall, not bad.

The second one known as the horticultural fall, with Gennifer Flowers.

The third, a routine temptation with Paula Jones.

The fourth was with Kathleen Willey.

And the fifth, the most disastrous one, was with Monica Lewinsky.

Regarding your point of Karakas, and mercury being the karaka, I canâ€™t

comment. I would rather go by venus only, which becomes the karak of both

rise and fall, as far as feminine temptations are concerned. Isnâ€™t it the

universal karaka of love and sex, why would it share its portfolio with

mercury? A careful scrutiny of venus in relation with dashas would reveal

much about these issues. For Clinton, whatever be the lagna, a debilitated

venus with mars aspected by Saturn and Rahu says all.

The houses of course would be 3,7,11 and 5 both from lagna and moon. A

marriage would mean 7H comes on the scene. In fact, we may not include

marriage in the list of temptations. 7H is minimum requirement to clear our

social obligations and has no repentance or negative connotations with it.

But beyond that whatever allures is temptation.

Also we may check for R/K, one blows the hearth and the other roasts.

Best Regards

Neelam

2009/3/16 John <jr_esq

> Namaste Neelam,

>

> The apsara model appears to apply on Clinton's chart as well.

Specifically,

> his lagna is Karka. In the navamsha, the apsara karaka is Venus, lord of

the

> 7th house from Mercury.

>

> In the rashi chart, Mars, the fifth lord and Venus, the apsara karaka, are

> conjunct in the third house of publicity. Also, Venus is neecha in Virgo,

> the third house. Thus, we observed the very notorious and salacious news

> articles and books that were written about Clinton's relationship with

> Monica Lewinsky, a very good looking intern worthy of an apsara

personified

> in the White House.

>

> Regards,

>

> John R.

>

<%40>,

> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

> >

> > Another set may be added in the same context:

> >

> > Bill Clinton

> > Hillary Clinton

> > Monica Lewinsky

> >

> > 2009/3/16 Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

> >

> > > Three characters:

> > >

> > > John F. Kennedy

> > > Jacqueline K. Onassis

> > > Marilyn Monroe

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> >

March 17, 2009

Neelam ji,

Apart from the pretty difficult matter of the correct birthtime of Bill who

'rose again after each fall', which is why I refrained from naming him as an

example -- there is another matter, if I may suggest.

In both situations most assume that Monica or Norma were the Apsaraas! However,

aren't we all being a bit presumptive there? Apsaraas, if I understand

correctly, wilfully entice males for testing or distracting them on purpose, at

least in mythology. But were these two women really setting out to entice

Kennedy or Clinton, on purpose? I suppose the real answer would only be known to

them.

Did we see an example of how society immediately assumes that it was the

beautiful and attractive woman who was laying a trap for the 'powerful' monarch?

Hence deserving of the title of Apsaraa!

I do not know...! But it seems that the astrological shoe fits, as John informed

us, in both cases :-)

RR

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Another set may be added in the same context:

>

> Bill Clinton

> Hillary Clinton

> Monica Lewinsky

>

> 2009/3/16 Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

>

> > Three characters:

> >

> > John F. Kennedy

> > Jacqueline K. Onassis

> > Marilyn Monroe

> >

> > ...

> >

>

March 17, 2009

Namaste Neelam,

My response to your observations are as follows:

1. > The debate on the lagna for Clinton never saw a peaceful settlement. Many

> still go by Virgo lagna for him (KNR *et al*). But surely it is a good chart

> for the topic of apsaras and fatal attractions. He did have a fair share of

> temptations to which he also succumbed -- from the corridor of power,

> straying into paths of pleasure. The proverbial falling in love applied to

> him literally when, not once or twice, he fell five times!! Historically,

> Lewinsky being his fifth `fall', excluding some of the unrecorded ones. Even

> the permissive US society said enough and declared `fault'.

In Clinton's case, even if the true lagna is Virgo, his Venus and Mars

conjunction is still a prime indicator of a womanizer. However, if we include

the additional information that this same Venus is really a karaka for an

apsara, the situation becomes different. That means that a higher power is

causing these apsaras to tempt him for a purpose. In the vedic texts, we are

told that Indra is the diety that orders these temptations to test the person's

mettle, as a leader or a renunciate. If a person fails the test, he is expected

to get back up and strive for perfection once again.

In addition, we read in the vedic texts that the offsprings and their

descendants of these apsaras from a mortal male become powerful or are endowed

with unusual qualities. I believe Parasurama is a descendant of Urvasi, an

apsara of the ancient past.

2. >Regarding your point of Karakas, and mercury being the karaka, I can't

> comment. I would rather go by venus only, which becomes the karak of both

> rise and fall, as far as feminine temptations are concerned. Isn't it the

> universal karaka of love and sex, why would it share its portfolio with

> mercury? A careful scrutiny of venus in relation with dashas would reveal

> much about these issues. For Clinton, whatever be the lagna, a debilitated

> venus with mars aspected by Saturn and Rahu says all.

Your point is well taken. But the additional information gives qualitative

details as to the characteristics of a given planet. An apsara planet, as

discussed above, can show the motives behind the temptation. If there was no

temptation involved and marriage occurs, the degree of love and affection is

much deeper and the offsprings are better.

In addition, the apsara planet can qualitatively redefine the indicators for

analyzing the other facets of life. For example, when an apsara planet is

associated with the indicators for work and careers, it would mean that the

person will have great potential for succeeding in music, dance and the fine

arts.

As shown in the previous post, the apsara planet is not limited to Mercury

alone. The selection of the apsara planet is determined by its position from

Mercury, that is the 7th house from Mercury in the navamsha chart. So, the

apsara planet is equivalent to a chara karaka.

Regards,

John R.

March 17, 2009

But John, was Norma the enticer or was King JFK the seducer?

Surely -- Astrology should have an answer for that?

Who was seducing whom, really?

RR

, " John " <jr_esq wrote:

>

> Namaste Rohini Ranjan,

>

> The apsara model appears to work for Kennedy's chart. He had the lagna in

Virgo. In the navamsha chart, the apsara karaka is Mercury itself.

>

> In the bhava chart, Jupiter the 7th lord, Mars and Mercury are in conjunction

in the 8th house of secret affairs. So, this would explain Kennedy's purported

many love affairs, including Marilyn Monroe, the very beatiful apsara of

Hollywood fame.

>

> Regards,

>

> John R.

>

, " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > Three characters:

> >

> > John F. Kennedy

> > Jacqueline K. Onassis

> > Marilyn Monroe

> >

> > ...

> >

>

March 17, 2009

Namaste Rohini Ranjan,

I'm glad that you appreciate the proposed method of selecting the apsara planet.

From my vantage point, this method is part of the messages encoded by the

writers of the vedic texts. It is up to us to understand and apply the messages

in real life. The more one finds these encoded messages, the more one

appreciates the wisdom of the ancient seers.

There is actually more to this apsara story than meets the eye. For instance,

most of us here are probably familiar with the story of Urvasi, the apsara, and

the rishis who caught a glimpse of her. In my opinion, this story is about an

ancient method of " in vitro " fertilization. If anyone is interested, we can

discuss this further.

Regards,

John R.

, " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> Neelam ji,

>

> Apart from the pretty difficult matter of the correct birthtime of Bill who

'rose again after each fall', which is why I refrained from naming him as an

example -- there is another matter, if I may suggest.

>

> In both situations most assume that Monica or Norma were the Apsaraas!

However, aren't we all being a bit presumptive there? Apsaraas, if I understand

correctly, wilfully entice males for testing or distracting them on purpose, at

least in mythology. But were these two women really setting out to entice

Kennedy or Clinton, on purpose? I suppose the real answer would only be known to

them.

>

> Did we see an example of how society immediately assumes that it was the

beautiful and attractive woman who was laying a trap for the 'powerful' monarch?

Hence deserving of the title of Apsaraa!

>

> I do not know...! But it seems that the astrological shoe fits, as John

informed us, in both cases :-)

>

> RR

>

> , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> >

> > Another set may be added in the same context:

> >

> > Bill Clinton

> > Hillary Clinton

> > Monica Lewinsky

> >

> > 2009/3/16 Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@>

> >

> > > Three characters:

> > >

> > > John F. Kennedy

> > > Jacqueline K. Onassis

> > > Marilyn Monroe

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> >

March 17, 2009

Dear Rohini ji,

God tests. Satan tempts!! The polarity is obvious and the purpose is clear.

How it is implemented remains to be seen. I think the ‘satanic’ bait is

custom made for each soul. Hence a variety of Apsaras.

Astrology can provide the insight. Bill appears to be a much enticed soul,

and may not need apsaras for this aspect of his life. But surely the

experiences would’ve been useful, some lessons for his soul.

Regards

Neelam

March 17, 2009

Namaste Rohini Ranjan,

Good question. Using the proposed method, Mercury is the karaka for the apsara

in JFK's chart. However, Mercury is also JFK's lagna lord of the rashi chart.

It appears that we can interpret that he is the seducer, or the Gandharva, the

male equivalent of the apsara.

In the ancient texts, Gandharvas are notorious for seducing young women and

leaving them pregnant. They are also very good looking and are considered the

celestial musicians. Nonetheless, I am not familiar if JFK had any unique

talents in music or the arts.

Regards,

John R.

, " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> But John, was Norma the enticer or was King JFK the seducer?

>

> Surely -- Astrology should have an answer for that?

>

> Who was seducing whom, really?

>

> RR

>

> , " John " <jr_esq@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Rohini Ranjan,

> >

> > The apsara model appears to work for Kennedy's chart. He had the lagna in

Virgo. In the navamsha chart, the apsara karaka is Mercury itself.

> >

> > In the bhava chart, Jupiter the 7th lord, Mars and Mercury are in

conjunction in the 8th house of secret affairs. So, this would explain

Kennedy's purported many love affairs, including Marilyn Monroe, the very

beatiful apsara of Hollywood fame.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > John R.

> >

> > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Three characters:

> > >

> > > John F. Kennedy

> > > Jacqueline K. Onassis

> > > Marilyn Monroe

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> >

>

March 17, 2009

Dear John

Namaste

//That means that a higher power is causing these apsaras to tempt him for a

purpose. In the vedic texts, we are told that Indra is the diety that orders

these temptations to test the person's mettle, as a leader or a renunciate.

If a person fails the test, he is expected to get back up and strive for

perfection once again.//

I agree with you completely on this. This is what I had in mind when the

discussion started. The shad ripus I mentioned in a previous mail hold the

astrological key to this. The six enemies in the form of kama (lust), krodha

(anger), lobha (greed), moha (infatuation), mada (pride), and matsar

(jealousy), have to be conquered to be eligible for the great and final

escape. These enemies erode our body-mind complex from within leading to its

weakness and repeated death and rebirth. This is the 6-11 connection and the

challenges which one is likely to encounter. Besides this, 6H gives the

results of previous karma and shows rinanubandhan and 11 blocks the entry to

heavens.

We all face the shad ripus in various forms, mostly denoted by the 6H and

try to conquer them in various ways. But what is the final test that we’ve

conquered these enemies? Or at least conquered them as per the prarabdh of

the given birth? The apsaras are sent in various forms to test the soul.

MONEY is one of the most beautiful apsaras in kaliyug. All virtues are blown

off when this apsara comes to test!!

Regards

Neelam

March 17, 2009

Dear Neelam ji,

Things are getting more interesting now. It is apparent from your explanation

that the 'Apsara' takes the form of one more shadripus.

As we can map the shadripus to planets, it would be interesting do a

comprehensive study of the Apsara(s) for each chart:

Kama - Desire - Rahu

Krodha - Anger - Mars

Lobha - Greed - Saturn

Moha - Infatuation - Venus

Mada - Obsession - Ketu

Matsarya - Jealousy - Mercury

Probably why MONEY is most interesting is that MONEY can be converted easily to

seek any Apsara of our choice (or our weakness).

Regards,

Krishna

--- On Tue, 17/3/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

Re: Re: Apsaraas and Marriages: The American Tale of

Camelot!

Tuesday, 17 March, 2009, 12:36 PM