Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction

January 28, 2010

Mam Wendy, If numerous discussions doesn't result in a conclusion or in

an input that becomes an asset for jyotish, that means discussion needs

a push and a direction, may be, 99 previous discussions doesnt leave a

mark but just one discussion can leave a mark, can open new vista to

everybody in jyotish. I said that a new age of micro studies is

beginning after the age of macro studies led by prof k.n rao. In this

age theories with diverse viewpoints and contradictions are to be

refined further, so that, current as well as forthcoming generations can

have rather more perfect and more capable jyotish. Any student of

jyotish with good jup and sun in chart can realize the new waves in

jyotish, knowingly or unknowingly everybody is driven hitherto. Thanks,

Lalit Mishra

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya

wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> ///It sounds illogical that 9th division (Nav-Amsa or degrees) of a 30

degrees of a sign of zodiac, which is a physical reality is addressed as

imaginary? How it can be, such statements are made out of ignorance.///

>

> Like everyone here you're certainly entitled to an opinion. However to

condemn the opinion of others in such an authoritive manner, dismissing

their opinion as ignorance, is extremely arrogant.

>

> ///Point of discussion should be assistance in predictability that

Nav- Amsa offers, people should try to understand how rashi or lagna

chart's implications are better and minutely revealed by Nav Amsa of a

sign in question.///

>

> You're in no position to dictate what the point of discussion should

be here, Lalit!

>

> ///How many of you trully studied implications of a chart in which a

planet is in own sign or in exaltation but in it's Nav Amsa of

debilitation or other similar cases.///

>

> Having been a member of this group since 2007 you should know

full-well that these points have been discussed frequently on JV. It's a

great mistake to make assumptions about what others have or have not

studied...such assumptions ARE most certainly made out of ignorance.

>

> ///However, it's seen that some people have a tendency to defend their

faulty understanding by misusing or misquoting either BV RAMAN OR KN

RAO.///

>

> I'm quite sure there isn't anyone here who doubts the service these

two souls have given to jyotish...myself included! However, like all

astrologers, neither of them are infallible.

> You need to be mindful of the fact that JyotishVidya is a discussion

group based on the principles of Parashara...not the principles of B.V.

Raman or K.N. Rao.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

>

> ===========================

>

> litsol

> Thursday, 28 January 2010 1:36 AM

> jyotish-vidya

> Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction

>

> It sounds illogical that 9th division (Nav-Amsa or degrees) of a 30

degrees of a sign of zodiac, which is a physical reality is addressed as

imaginary? How it can be, such statements are made out of ignorance.

>

> Point of discussion should be assistance in predictability that Nav-

Amsa offers, people should try to understand how rashi or lagna chart's

implications are better and minutely revealed by Nav Amsa of a sign in

question.

>

> How many of you trully studied implications of a chart in which a

planet is in own sign or in exaltation but in it's Nav Amsa of

debilitation or other similar cases.

>

> BV RAMAN's age was age of first awakening of vedic astrology, KN RAO's

age was age of macro analysis, now astrology enters into next age of

micro analysis.

>

> However, it's seen that some people have a tendency to defend their

faulty understanding by misusing or misquoting either BV RAMAN OR KN

RAO.

>

> Pls do micro study of planetary significations, it wd help you only,

rest is your choice.

>

> All the best,

> Lalit Mishra

>

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January 28, 2010

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

Yes.

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidyawrote:

>

> Dear Ravindramani,

>

> Is this the same Seshadri Iyer who introduced a new system which became

> quite popular in the West during the 1960's?

>

> Perhaps, if time permits, you could offer a simple overview of his system

> (as it relates to navamsha) for the benefit of those who may not be in a

> position to buy the book...

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/>

>

January 28, 2010

Dear Ravindramani,

Not to worry about giving an overview of S. Iyer's methods as a quick search on

the WEB has provided me with the information I sought.

Although I've not read any of his works I was familiar with his name as Pundit

Navaratnam was a follower of his methods.

For the benefit of members I provide the following link " The Teachings of Iyer -

Part One "

http://www.soulhealing.com/july02astro.htm

Comments are welcome...

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

======================

C.S. Ravindramani

Thursday, 28 January 2010 4:52 PM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

Yes.

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidyawrote:

>

> Dear Ravindramani,

>

> Is this the same Seshadri Iyer who introduced a new system which became

> quite popular in the West during the 1960's?

>

> Perhaps, if time permits, you could offer a simple overview of his system

> (as it relates to navamsha) for the benefit of those who may not be in a

> position to buy the book...

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

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January 28, 2010

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

You are so quick :-)). I am at my work place. I thought, If I were to

write a overview, I should have the books with me and I should consult them,

otherwise my mistakes would be treated as that of Shri H.R. S. Iyer.

I use lordships in vargas and I treat them as an independent chart. This is

what I learnt from my teacher. But he (Seshadri Iyer) does not recommend

that. I learnt much from the writings/teachings of other astrologers

including yourself. I have developed my own methods incorporating such

teachings, on certain areas, as every astrolger does and employ them in his

actual chart reading. I have seen number of times that one's approach may

not appear so logical to me. In the circumstances I prefer to keep quite.

Astrology is a matter of perception beyond the rules of Parasara or for

that matter the teachings of any other teacher. It is very difficult for me

to expalin what I perceived. I never ask anybody's logic. The best way

is to employ the technique in number of charts which you come across. If

the technique works in at least 70 per cent of cases, folllow it or else

forget that particular technique. Astrology is a life time learning. I

have changed my stand on number of issues (astrological concepts) on number

of times. This is purely my personal way of understanding astrology.

It is very difficult to find out the origin of a Rishi or a River.

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidyawrote:

>

> Dear Ravindramani,

>

> Not to worry about giving an overview of S. Iyer's methods as a quick

> search on the WEB has provided me with the information I sought.

>

> Although I've not read any of his works I was familiar with his name as

> Pundit Navaratnam was a follower of his methods.

>

> For the benefit of members I provide the following link " The Teachings of

> Iyer - Part One "

> http://www.soulhealing.com/july02astro.htm

>

> Comments are welcome...

>

January 28, 2010

Yes, I agree with you Mrs. Wendy. Even if they are knowledgeable, they would

lack expression and will not be able to convey what they know.

Regards,

Krishna

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidyawrote:

>

> PS:

>

> ///To explain the above in terms of astrology - Mercury, the lord of logic

> depends on Jupiter the lord of knowledge. If Jupiter is weak, and Mercury

> is

> strong, one might very well put forward lot of logical statements but that

> might not be based on sound knowledge.///

>

> By the same token if Mercury is weak whilst Jupiter is strong the native

> may have an abundance of knowledge at his disposal but little ability to

> apply or truly understand that knowledge on the level of intellect. An

> example might be (perhaps) certain well-meaning religious zealots who knock

> on our door reciting religious scripture (parrot-fashion) with little

> comprehension of its true meaning...

> ________________________________

>

> Dear Krishna,

>

> ///To explain the above in terms of astrology - Mercury, the lord of logic

> depends on Jupiter the lord of knowledge. If Jupiter is weak, and Mercury

> is

> strong, one might very well put forward lot of logical statements but that

> might not be based on sound knowledge.///

>

> You've been reading my mind! I was contemplating revisiting a topic we had

> here some time ago - could have been a year or (much) more now - regarding

> Mercury's role in the process of 'knowing' and from where he obtains this.

> You hit the nail on the head with your reference to Jupiter.

>

> As I alluded to in earlier post, the sages rightly referred to Mercury as

> the messenger of the gods...the gods, in this context, being the nine divine

> planets (navagrahas).

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

>

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January 28, 2010

Dear Mrs Wendy,

This reference might resolve the thread and the issues raised.I must

congratulate for the most appropraite reference provide just for the sake of

understanding implications.

Since we focus mainly on Parsara Principles,it is reasonable we analyse issues

based on the principles.

In jyotish many astrologer present in different as they feel convinced.we howver

go by a specific approach.

Some the issues like the reference to sankhya Yoga.house lordships in varga

chartsas refered there in need practical insight.better v may hold it for

future.

other wise as quoted below are appropraite in our context are mostly a genaral

approach and nothing specific

//when the themes of the rasi chart and the varga chart support each

other, then is the most likely time of an event happening.

Â

//areas of life where results are likely, e.g. a marriage or career or

having children at appropriate ages......unless otherwise indicated in the rasi

and appropriate varga chart.â€¦â€¦..will not

stop the event from happening//My sincere thanx once again for approapriate

reference,which helps in analysis and understanding of the issue.I do not think

any further doubts are necessary

Â

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

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Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya

Re: Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, January 28, 2010, 4:23 AM

Â

Dear Ravindramani,

Not to worry about giving an overview of S. Iyer's methods as a quick search on

the WEB has provided me with the information I sought.

Although I've not read any of his works I was familiar with his name as Pundit

Navaratnam was a follower of his methods.

For the benefit of members I provide the following link " The Teachings of Iyer -

Part One "

http://www.soulheal ing.com/july02as tro.htm

Comments are welcome...

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

============ ========= =

C.S. Ravindramani

Thursday, 28 January 2010 4:52 PM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

Yes.

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com>wrote:

>

> Dear Ravindramani,

>

> Is this the same Seshadri Iyer who introduced a new system which became

> quite popular in the West during the 1960's?

>

> Perhaps, if time permits, you could offer a simple overview of his system

> (as it relates to navamsha) for the benefit of those who may not be in a

> position to buy the book...

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya .com

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January 28, 2010

Very convincingly explained.Thank You,Madam

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote:

Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya

Re: Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, January 28, 2010, 2:16 AM

Â

PS:

///To explain the above in terms of astrology - Mercury, the lord of logic

depends on Jupiter the lord of knowledge. If Jupiter is weak, and Mercury is

strong, one might very well put forward lot of logical statements but that

might not be based on sound knowledge.// /

By the same token if Mercury is weak whilst Jupiter is strong the native may

have an abundance of knowledge at his disposal but little ability to apply or

truly understand that knowledge on the level of intellect. An example might be

(perhaps) certain well-meaning religious zealots who knock on our door reciting

religious scripture (parrot-fashion) with little comprehension of its true

meaning...

____________ _________ _________ __

Dear Krishna,

///To explain the above in terms of astrology - Mercury, the lord of logic

depends on Jupiter the lord of knowledge. If Jupiter is weak, and Mercury is

strong, one might very well put forward lot of logical statements but that

might not be based on sound knowledge.// /

You've been reading my mind! I was contemplating revisiting a topic we had here

some time ago - could have been a year or (much) more now - regarding Mercury's

role in the process of 'knowing' and from where he obtains this. You hit the

nail on the head with your reference to Jupiter.

As I alluded to in earlier post, the sages rightly referred to Mercury as the

messenger of the gods...the gods, in this context, being the nine divine planets

(navagrahas) .

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

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January 28, 2010

I am sorry Ma'm Wendy, You are not much correct here, Jup denotes Akash

tatwa, It learns from what's called akashik library, I mean, people with

good Jup in lagna and 10'th reveals things themselves whereas peopple

with good Merc reads their discoveries and propogates it, in fact both

are required still Jup's role is better than Merc.

regards,

Lalit Mishra

jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<kmurthys58 wrote:

>

> Yes, I agree with you Mrs. Wendy. Even if they are knowledgeable, they

would

> lack expression and will not be able to convey what they know.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Mrs. Wendy jyotishvidyawrote:

>

> >

> > PS:

> >

> > ///To explain the above in terms of astrology - Mercury, the lord of

logic

> > depends on Jupiter the lord of knowledge. If Jupiter is weak, and

Mercury

> > is

> > strong, one might very well put forward lot of logical statements

but that

> > might not be based on sound knowledge.///

> >

> > By the same token if Mercury is weak whilst Jupiter is strong the

native

> > may have an abundance of knowledge at his disposal but little

ability to

> > apply or truly understand that knowledge on the level of intellect.

An

> > example might be (perhaps) certain well-meaning religious zealots

who knock

> > on our door reciting religious scripture (parrot-fashion) with

little

> > comprehension of its true meaning...

> > ________________________________

> >

> > Dear Krishna,

> >

> > ///To explain the above in terms of astrology - Mercury, the lord of

logic

> > depends on Jupiter the lord of knowledge. If Jupiter is weak, and

Mercury

> > is

> > strong, one might very well put forward lot of logical statements

but that

> > might not be based on sound knowledge.///

> >

> > You've been reading my mind! I was contemplating revisiting a topic

we had

> > here some time ago - could have been a year or (much) more now -

regarding

> > Mercury's role in the process of 'knowing' and from where he obtains

this.

> > You hit the nail on the head with your reference to Jupiter.

> >

> > As I alluded to in earlier post, the sages rightly referred to

Mercury as

> > the messenger of the gods...the gods, in this context, being the

nine divine

> > planets (navagrahas).

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Mrs. Wendy

> > http://JyotishVidya.com

> >

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January 28, 2010

DearMrs Wendy,

thanks for the web site.I have been looking for long.

Warm regards,

gopi.

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya

wrote:

>

> Dear Ravindramani,

>

> Not to worry about giving an overview of S. Iyer's methods as a quick

search on the WEB has provided me with the information I sought.

>

> Although I've not read any of his works I was familiar with his name

as Pundit Navaratnam was a follower of his methods.

>

> For the benefit of members I provide the following link " The Teachings

of Iyer - Part One "

> http://www.soulhealing.com/july02astro.htm

>

> Comments are welcome...

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

>

> ======================

>

> C.S. Ravindramani

> Thursday, 28 January 2010 4:52 PM

> jyotish-vidya

> Re: Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction

>

> Dear Mrs. Wendy,

>

> Yes.

>

> Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

>

> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Mrs. Wendy jyotishvidyawrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Ravindramani,

> >

> > Is this the same Seshadri Iyer who introduced a new system which

became

> > quite popular in the West during the 1960's?

> >

> > Perhaps, if time permits, you could offer a simple overview of his

system

> > (as it relates to navamsha) for the benefit of those who may not be

in a

> > position to buy the book...

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Mrs. Wendy

> > http://JyotishVidya.com

>

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January 28, 2010

Dear Lalit,

Of course there is some truth in what you say...Jupiter is indeed significator

for knowledge; However our ability to learn and interpret (or express) that

knowledge (available to us) is another matter entirely. It really isn't a matter

of who's better than the other...both are necessary.

Krishna asked you (see below) to explain the logic behind your stand on varga

aspects etc; but so far no response from you...why? It's one thing to criticize

others but not so easy to give solid reasons for your criticism.

Krishna Wrote:

///Now, I would like to understand how planets in different signs in D9 can be

considered as in physical plane and why the planetary aspects are valid in

this division. Hope you will help me overcome my dilemma.///

Your statement that he was responding to:

//It sounds illogical that 9th division (Nav-Amsa or degrees) of a 30

degrees of a sign of zodiac, which is a physical reality is addressed as

imaginary?//

Please explain the logic behind your statements before posting more of the same.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

=========================

litsol

Friday, 29 January 2010 12:34 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction

I am sorry Ma'm Wendy, You are not much correct here, Jup denotes Akash

tatwa, It learns from what's called akashik library, I mean, people with

good Jup in lagna and 10'th reveals things themselves whereas peopple

with good Merc reads their discoveries and propogates it, in fact both

are required still Jup's role is better than Merc.

regards,

Lalit Mishra

=========================

jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<kmurthys58 wrote:

>

> Yes, I agree with you Mrs. Wendy. Even if they are knowledgeable, they

would

> lack expression and will not be able to convey what they know.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

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January 28, 2010

Ma'm,

I wd revert in the evening.

Regards,

Lalit Mishra.

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> Of course there is some truth in what you say...Jupiter is indeed significator

for knowledge; However our ability to learn and interpret (or express) that

knowledge (available to us) is another matter entirely. It really isn't a matter

of who's better than the other...both are necessary.

>

> Krishna asked you (see below) to explain the logic behind your stand on varga

aspects etc; but so far no response from you...why? It's one thing to criticize

others but not so easy to give solid reasons for your criticism.

>

> Krishna Wrote:

> ///Now, I would like to understand how planets in different signs in D9 can be

> considered as in physical plane and why the planetary aspects are valid in

> this division. Hope you will help me overcome my dilemma.///

>

> Your statement that he was responding to:

> //It sounds illogical that 9th division (Nav-Amsa or degrees) of a 30

> degrees of a sign of zodiac, which is a physical reality is addressed as

> imaginary?//

>

> Please explain the logic behind your statements before posting more of the

same.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

>

> =========================

>

> litsol

> Friday, 29 January 2010 12:34 AM

> jyotish-vidya

> Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction

>

> I am sorry Ma'm Wendy, You are not much correct here, Jup denotes Akash

> tatwa, It learns from what's called akashik library, I mean, people with

> good Jup in lagna and 10'th reveals things themselves whereas peopple

> with good Merc reads their discoveries and propogates it, in fact both

> are required still Jup's role is better than Merc.

>

> regards,

> Lalit Mishra

>

> =========================

>

> jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> <kmurthys58@> wrote:

> >

> > Yes, I agree with you Mrs. Wendy. Even if they are knowledgeable, they

> would

> > lack expression and will not be able to convey what they know.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

>

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January 29, 2010

Wendy ji,

///By the same token if Mercury is weak whilst Jupiter is strong the native may

have an abundance of knowledge at his disposal but little ability to apply or

truly understand that knowledge on the level of intellect. An example might be

(perhaps) certain well-meaning religious zealots who knock on our door reciting

religious scripture (parrot-fashion) with little comprehension of its true

meaning...///

Intelligence is arrogant because it knows so much. Wisdom is humble because it

knows only so much.

Guru rules misjudgement, and without Budha to correct it, may give the results

you speak of. Budha rules discrimination, and people who don't have this tend to

follow blindly.

In Jyotish, this may translate to blindly quoting books without knowing how to

apply them.

In this context, I agree with Ravindramani ji, who in a recent quote had said,

" Astrology is a matter of perception beyond the rules of Parasara or for that

matter the teachings of any other teacher. " I don't recall seeing his chart, but

no doubt he has a strongly placed Budha, which allows him to apply the

principles of Jyotish from a practical viewpoint.

~~~~~~~~~

Balaji Narasimhan

Author & Editor

http://www.balaji.ind.in/

~~~~~~~~~

January 29, 2010

Dear C.J. (I hope that is the correct way to address you),

Thank you for pointing me - and other interested members - in the direction of

Shri H.R. Seshadri Iyer's book.

I know almost nothing of the use of the navamasa and was pleased when Uttara ji

alerted us to the existence of the information on that subject available on the

website. The reference to Dr Raman's way of interpreting the navamsa stirred up

a hornets' nest - where I was unaware a hornets' nest existed! But I know better

now.

Most importantly I learn from Krishna ji that " there is no explicit mention in

the texts of Parashara and others about using of aspects in varga charts. " From

this I understand why there are diverse opinions about this matter.

I am grateful to Mrs Wendy for providing a link to an overview of Shri H.R.

Seshadri Iyer's method of working with divisional charts. I have not yet

accessed this link but will do so over the weekend.

I am thinking also of purchasing the book on your recommendation C.J., as I note

we are in accord in our outlooks on several key issues.

Warm regards,

Melissa

________________________________

ravindramani <ravindramani

jyotish-vidya

Thu, 28 January, 2010 7:15:05

Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction

Melissa ji,

I wish to recommend the works " New Techniques in Predictions of Shri H.R.

Seshadri Iyer, who dealt with the issue of usage of divisional charts. In my

view the handling of the subject is excellant and other members may have

different opinions.

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

jyotish-vidya, Melissa Grove <anglicus09@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Mrs Wendy,

> I have not yet had the opportunity to read all of today's posts on the subject

of the navamsa chart. But I look forward to doing so and learning from what

other members of the group have to say on the matter. I am interested to see if

others work as Dr Raman did or, if not, how they interpret the navamsa.

>

> >

> Warm regards,

>

> Melissa

>

January 29, 2010

Dear Members

In fact some very Senior distinguished Astrologers(President International Wing,

ICAS) attaches lot of importance to navamsa.Infact he went to the extent of

basing all predictions from Navamsa.of the various technics of Prediction,study

is made on the bais of rasya navamsa.

There is exhaustive study of classifying navamsa into 27 categories and basing

predictions for several aspects.Undoubtedly for marraige navamsa refers to

spouse and many writers/AStrologers made delineation.

It is for us to consider navamsa or not and also about aspects in navamsa.Many

astrologers do consider these issues.

Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling

services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control

Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans KarmaÂ

--- On Wed, 1/27/10, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote:

gopalakrishna <gopi_b927

Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 9:26 AM

Â

Dear Melissa,

i for one understand that aspects have to be considered if necessary in

navamsa.Why not when they are considered from Rasi chart?

-gopi.

jyotish-vidya, Melissa Grove <anglicus09@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Mrs Wendy,

>

> Again, I hold the same position as C.S. Ravindramani does as stated in

his post of earlier today: -

>

> " I wish to make it clear, my idea to post the quoting from his

book earlier in the morning was restricted only to the usage of

navamsa. "

>

> You and Uttara ji asked for the data pertaining to the charts that

related to the quotes and observations cited from the book by B.V.

Raman. This data has been supplied. If the intention is to discuss these

horoscopes further, perhaps a new thread should be opened, for that

moves away from the original post, which concerned interpretation of the

navamsa.

>

> It is clear from the text of the book, 'Notable Nativities', that Dr

Raman interpreted the navamsa by taking aspects, such as Jupiter's 5th,

7th and 9th aspects, into account. That was his modus operandi whether

the chart details he was supplied with were accurate or inaccurate. I,

like you, don't consider Dr Raman's horoscope of Jesus Christ to be

correct.

>

> Dr Raman does give sources for the nativities in his book. Several of

the earlier ones (those from BC) are speculative.

>

> I have not yet had the opportunity to read all of today's posts on the

subject of the navamsa chart. But I look forward to doing so and

learning from what other members of the group have to say on the matter.

I am interested to see if others work as Dr Raman did or, if not, how

they interpret the navamsa.

>

> I would like to take this opportunity to thank Uttara ji for pointing

me to http://jyotishvidya .com/navamsa. htm. When I read the page on the

navamsa at this site I realized I have no set of notes comprehensively

covering the navamsa, only one to two jottings mainly directing me to

sections covering the topic in some book or other. The information to be

found at jyotishvidya. com has been most useful to me. I note too that

you Mrs Wendy have added something on that site and, I think, on that

subject. I have not had the chance to look at your comment yet but will

do so shortly.

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Melissa

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Mrs. Wendy jyotishvidya@ ...

> Jyotish-Vidya jyotish-vidya

> Wed, 27 January, 2010 10:13:27

> Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction

>

> Dear Melissa,

>

> Many thanks for the effort you've put in to retrieve this information.

...much appreciated!

>

> ///The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable Nativities

relate to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he uses is

25th December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 degrees

43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees 27

minutes.///

>

> Well, we can discount this one straight off as no-one on the face of

this earth knows the actual date of Christ's birth, let alone the

correct time. 25th December is simply the date chosen (for various

reasons) to celebrate his birth.

>

> In the Gospel of Luke 2: 8 we're told:

> **And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field,

keeping watch over their flock by night.**

>

> I doubt very much if this could be December as it's winter then in

this part of the world. I would assume the above to point to spring when

the lambs are born.

>

> As for the other examples given, is there any indication from where

this data was sourced...any evidence on the validity of this data?

Believe me, I'm not trying to pick fault; just need verification before

I look at the charts.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya .com

>

> ============ ========= =

>

> Melissa Grove

> Wednesday, 27 January 2010 4:34 PM

> jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com

> Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction

>

> Dear Mrs Wendy, Uttara ji and others,

>

> My intention was merely to show that astrologers such as B.V. Raman

worked with aspects in the Navamsa chart. My position is similar to that

expressed by C.S. Ravindramani in a recent post on the same subject:

>

> " I am not asking anybody here to follow what Raman says. I just bring

to your notice that how he analyses a chart and and to show how

different astrologers use the Navamsa chart. "

>

> However, since there is an interest in the horoscopes attached to the

quotes I supplied, I am happy to oblige.

>

> The data for the charts I referred to is as follows: -

>

> The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable Nativities

relate to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he uses is

25th December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 degrees

43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees 27

minutes.

>

> The remarks on page 62 to which I referred relate to the chart of the

Emperor Nero. Data: 15th December 37 AD (O.S.) " at about 7.28 a.m.

(Long. 12 degrees 46 minutes E., Lat. 41 degrees 29 minutes N.) "

Ayanamsa +5 degrees 2 minutes.

>

> The quote from page 80 concerns the horoscope of Omar Khayyam. Data:

18th May 1048 AD (O.S.), 4.48 a.m. (L.M.T.). Lat. 36 degrees 13 minutes

N., Long. 58 degrees 45 minute E. Ayanamsa 9 degrees 6 minutes.

>

> The quote from page 96 concerns the horoscope of Guru Nanak. Data: 8th

November 1470 (O.S.) at midnight (L.M.T.), Lat. 31 degrees 39 minutes

N., Long. 74 degrees 47 minutes E. Ayanamsa 15 degrees.

>

> I hope this is of some help. As I have said, there are many examples

of Raman's use of aspects when interpreting the navamasa - such as that

given to the group by C.S. Ravindramani concerning the navamsa of Albert

Einstein.

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Melissa

>

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January 29, 2010

Ma'm Wendy,

Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of phalit jyotish or

predictive astrology.

If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions of 3.20

degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 degrees, each

pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by 12 navamsas in

sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi which is mesha,

this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.

Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha rashi's first

navamsa is Mesha navamsa.

Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do have predictive

implications internal to the that rashi,

As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis within the

rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is no way

eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, Planets cast their

aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a rashi receives

aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi receives same aspect,

aspects are casted on whole of 30 degrees.

When we go a step further from Navamsa or any Division and make a chart,

we get to have easier visualization of all the navamsas put

toghather,navamsa chart is in fact only diagrammatic presentation of

those navamsas or 3.20 degree's pocket of a rashi where a planet reached

at the time of birth, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees having a

planet denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for the ease of the

astrologer only, as such there is nothing like navmasa chart, our sages

have not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they only talked

about division or amsa.

The navamsa and other such charts which came into existence for the ease

of the astrologers over the period misunderstood as seperate charts and

therefore question of aspects and conjunction etc emerged.

As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and other divisional

cahrts are ok but they have their own in built hazards, like take a

case, suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of simha (Leo),

and mars is placed in mesha navamsa of vrisabha (Taurus), now, you w'd

find in navamsa chart, Sun and Mars are conjunct to each other in Mesha,

whereas, they are in different houses in rashi or lagna chart, no

conjunction at all.

At this point, such divisional charts are misleading, this is the

reason, our sages talked about only navamsas or other divisions and have

given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or other divisions,

they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of NAVAMSA CHART or

ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could create further confusions in

making predictions

like most astrologers are having today.

Hope it helps to everybody and I think our astrologers w'd stop taking

navamsas either in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or Iyear's

manner,rather, they w'd take navamsa as navamsa's manner of Jyotish as

stated by sages, however, it depends on them.

regards,

Lalit Mishra

jyotish-vidya , " litsol " <litsol wrote:

>

> Ma'm,

>

> I wd revert in the evening.

>

> Regards,

> Lalit Mishra.

>

> jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " jyotishvidya@

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > Of course there is some truth in what you say...Jupiter is indeed

significator for knowledge; However our ability to learn and interpret

(or express) that knowledge (available to us) is another matter

entirely. It really isn't a matter of who's better than the other...both

are necessary.

> >

> > Krishna asked you (see below) to explain the logic behind your stand

on varga aspects etc; but so far no response from you...why? It's one

thing to criticize others but not so easy to give solid reasons for your

criticism.

> >

> > Krishna Wrote:

> > ///Now, I would like to understand how planets in different signs in

D9 can be

> > considered as in physical plane and why the planetary aspects are

valid in

> > this division. Hope you will help me overcome my dilemma.///

> >

> > Your statement that he was responding to:

> > //It sounds illogical that 9th division (Nav-Amsa or degrees) of a

30

> > degrees of a sign of zodiac, which is a physical reality is

addressed as

> > imaginary?//

> >

> > Please explain the logic behind your statements before posting more

of the same.

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Mrs. Wendy

> > http://JyotishVidya.com

> >

> > =========================

> >

> > litsol

> > Friday, 29 January 2010 12:34 AM

> > jyotish-vidya

> > Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction

> >

> > I am sorry Ma'm Wendy, You are not much correct here, Jup denotes

Akash

> > tatwa, It learns from what's called akashik library, I mean, people

with

> > good Jup in lagna and 10'th reveals things themselves whereas

peopple

> > with good Merc reads their discoveries and propogates it, in fact

both

> > are required still Jup's role is better than Merc.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit Mishra

> >

> > =========================

> >

> > jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > <kmurthys58@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Yes, I agree with you Mrs. Wendy. Even if they are knowledgeable,

they

> > would

> > > lack expression and will not be able to convey what they know.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> >

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January 29, 2010

Dear Lalit,

///If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions of 3.20

degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 degrees, each

pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by 12 navamsas in

sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi which is mesha,

this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.///

I'm sure you would agree that even junior grade students would be aware of how

navamsha is structured.

///our sages have not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they only

talked

about division or amsa.///

Agreed!

///over the period misunderstood as seperate charts and therefore question of

aspects and conjunction etc emerged.///

Agreed!

///In vedic astrology, Planet's cast their aspects from a rashi to another

rashi, that means, if a rashi receives aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of

that rashi receives same aspect.///

The Jaimini system, as we all should know by now, is rasi specific i.e. rasi

aspects are part of this system only...as explained here many times before! Not

only is there a page dedicated to this on JV website

http://www.jyotishvidya.com/jaimini_or_parasara.htm it is clearly brought to the

attention of members when they join the JV discussion group. Please read this

again jyotish-vidya/ before using Jaimini

principles to support your arguments here.

As also discussed here recently, the ability to discern one system from another

is a key role of Mercury. Yes, one may amass all sorts of knowledge but, without

the ability to discern (to discriminate) one from the other, all we end up with

is one big mess. No wonder people like V.K. Choudhry gave up trying to make

sense of it all and devised an entirely a new system without all the

contradictions we find when mixing Jaimini and Parasara together. On his

discussion group he says; " If you are fed up with confusions, inconsistencies

and contradictions in classical astrology, you are welcome to the Systems'

Approach to Vedic astrology.

I am determined that these sort of confusions/inconsistencies (which drive

people away from classical astrology) will NOT take hold on JyotishVidya!

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

==========================

litsol

Saturday, 30 January 2010 2:27 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction

Ma'm Wendy,

Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of phalit jyotish or

predictive astrology.

If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions of 3.20

degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 degrees, each

pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by 12 navamsas in

sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi which is mesha,

this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.

Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha rashi's first

navamsa is Mesha navamsa.

Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do have predictive

implications internal to the that rashi,

As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis within the

rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is no way

eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, Planet's cast their

aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a rashi receives

aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi receives same aspect,

navamsa chart is in fact only a diagramatic presentation of those

navamsas or 3.20 degrees pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at the

time of birth, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees having a planet

denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for the ease of the

astrologer only, as such there is nothing like navmasha chart, our sages

have not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they only talked

about division or amsa.

The navamsa and other such charts which came into existance for the ease

of the astrologers over the period misunderstood as seperate charts and

therefore question of aspects and conjunction etc emerged.

As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and other divisional

cahrts are ok but they have their own in built hazards, like take a

case, suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of simha (Leo),

and merc is placed in mesha navamsa of vrisabha (Taurus), now, you w'd

find in navamsa chart, Sun and Merc are conjunct to each other, whereas,

they are in different houses in rashi or lagna chart.

At this point, such divisional charts are misleading, this is the

reason, our sages talked about only navamsas or other divisions and have

given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or other divisions,

they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of NAVAMSA CHART or

ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could have create confusions like

today most astrologers are having.

Hope it helps to everybody, And I think our astrologers w'd stop taking

Navamsa in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or Iyear's manner rather they

w'd take navamsa as navamsa's manner of Jyotish as stated by sages.

regards,

Lalit Mishra.

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January 30, 2010

Dear Lalit,

This does not explain why 'graha drishti' should be used in navamsha or in

any varga chart. For example, why one should consider Jupiter drishti on

5th, 7th, and 9th houses in Navamsha?

Regards,

Krishna

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:57 PM, litsol <litsol wrote:

>

> Ma'm Wendy,

>

> Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of phalit jyotish or

> predictive astrology.

>

> If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions of 3.20

> degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 degrees, each

> pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by 12 navamsas in

> sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi which is mesha,

> this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.

>

> Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha rashi's first

> navamsa is Mesha navamsa.

>

> Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do have predictive

> implications internal to the that rashi,

>

> As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis within the

> rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is no way

> eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, Planet's cast their

> aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a rashi receives

> aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi receives same aspect,

> navamsa chart is in fact only a diagramatic presentation of those

> navamsas or 3.20 degrees pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at the

> time of birth, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees having a planet

> denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for the ease of the

> astrologer only, as such there is nothing like navmasha chart, our sages

> have not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they only talked

> about division or amsa.

>

> The navamsa and other such charts which came into existance for the ease

> of the astrologers over the period misunderstood as seperate charts and

> therefore question of aspects and conjunction etc emerged.

>

> As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and other divisional

> cahrts are ok but they have their own in built hazards, like take a

> case, suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of simha (Leo),

> and merc is placed in mesha navamsa of vrisabha (Taurus), now, you w'd

> find in navamsa chart, Sun and Merc are conjunct to each other, whereas,

> they are in different houses in rashi or lagna chart.

>

> At this point, such divisional charts are misleading, this is the

> reason, our sages talked about only navamsas or other divisions and have

> given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or other divisions,

> they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of NAVAMSA CHART or

> ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could have create confusions like

> today most astrologers are having.

>

> Hope it helps to everybody, And I think our astrologers w'd stop taking

> Navamsa in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or Iyear's manner rather they

> w'd take navamsa as navamsa's manner of Jyotish as stated by sages.

>

> regards,

> Lalit Mishra.

>

> jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>,

> " litsol " <litsol wrote:

> >

> > Ma'm,

> >

> > I wd revert in the evening.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lalit Mishra.

> >

> > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>,

> " Mrs. Wendy " jyotishvidya@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > Of course there is some truth in what you say...Jupiter is indeed

> significator for knowledge; However our ability to learn and interpret

> (or express) that knowledge (available to us) is another matter

> entirely. It really isn't a matter of who's better than the other...both

> are necessary.

> > >

> > > Krishna asked you (see below) to explain the logic behind your stand

> on varga aspects etc; but so far no response from you...why? It's one

> thing to criticize others but not so easy to give solid reasons for your

> criticism.

> > >

> > > Krishna Wrote:

> > > ///Now, I would like to understand how planets in different signs in

> D9 can be

> > > considered as in physical plane and why the planetary aspects are

> valid in

> > > this division. Hope you will help me overcome my dilemma.///

> > >

> > > Your statement that he was responding to:

> > > //It sounds illogical that 9th division (Nav-Amsa or degrees) of a

> 30

> > > degrees of a sign of zodiac, which is a physical reality is

> addressed as

> > > imaginary?//

> > >

> > > Please explain the logic behind your statements before posting more

> of the same.

> > >

> > > Best Wishes,

> > > Mrs. Wendy

> > > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > >

> > > =========================

> > >

> > > litsol

> > > Friday, 29 January 2010 12:34 AM

> > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>

> > > Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction

> > >

> > > I am sorry Ma'm Wendy, You are not much correct here, Jup denotes

> Akash

> > > tatwa, It learns from what's called akashik library, I mean, people

> with

> > > good Jup in lagna and 10'th reveals things themselves whereas

> peopple

> > > with good Merc reads their discoveries and propogates it, in fact

> both

> > > are required still Jup's role is better than Merc.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit Mishra

> > >

> > > =========================

> > >

> > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>,

> Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > <kmurthys58@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Yes, I agree with you Mrs. Wendy. Even if they are knowledgeable,

> they

> > > would

> > > > lack expression and will not be able to convey what they know.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Krishna

> > >

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January 31, 2010

Dear Mr Krishnamurthy,

I have said that seperate drishti or aspects should not be used in Navamsa or any other charts as planets cast drishti or aspect to whole of house aspected by them not only to one quarter or portion, that means all the navamsas of a rashi falling in a house receives same aspect, there is no question of additional aspects exclusive to navamsa or any divisional chart.

regards,Lalit Mishra

jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > This does not explain why 'graha drishti' should be used in navamsha or in> any varga chart. For example, why one should consider Jupiter drishti on> 5th, 7th, and 9th houses in Navamsha?> > Regards,> Krishna> > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:57 PM, litsol litsol wrote:> > >> >> >> > Ma'm Wendy,> >> > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of phalit jyotish or> > predictive astrology.> >> > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions of 3.20> > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 degrees, each> > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by 12 navamsas in> > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi which is mesha,> > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.> >> > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha rashi's first> > navamsa is Mesha navamsa.> >> > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do have predictive> > implications internal to the that rashi,> >> > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis within the> > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is no way> > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, Planet's cast their> > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a rashi receives> > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi receives same aspect,> > navamsa chart is in fact only a diagramatic presentation of those> > navamsas or 3.20 degrees pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at the> > time of birth, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees having a planet> > denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for the ease of the> > astrologer only, as such there is nothing like navmasha chart, our sages> > have not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they only talked> > about division or amsa.> >> > The navamsa and other such charts which came into existance for the ease> > of the astrologers over the period misunderstood as seperate charts and> > therefore question of aspects and conjunction etc emerged.> >> > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and other divisional> > cahrts are ok but they have their own in built hazards, like take a> > case, suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of simha (Leo),> > and merc is placed in mesha navamsa of vrisabha (Taurus), now, you w'd> > find in navamsa chart, Sun and Merc are conjunct to each other, whereas,> > they are in different houses in rashi or lagna chart.> >> > At this point, such divisional charts are misleading, this is the> > reason, our sages talked about only navamsas or other divisions and have> > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or other divisions,> > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of NAVAMSA CHART or> > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could have create confusions like> > today most astrologers are having.> >> > Hope it helps to everybody, And I think our astrologers w'd stop taking> > Navamsa in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or Iyear's manner rather they> > w'd take navamsa as navamsa's manner of Jyotish as stated by sages.> >> > regards,> > Lalit Mishra.> >> >> > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>,> > "litsol" litsol@ wrote:> > >> > > Ma'm,> > >> > > I wd revert in the evening.> > >> > > Regards,> > > Lalit Mishra.> > >> > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>,> > "Mrs. Wendy" jyotishvidya@> > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > >> > > > Of course there is some truth in what you say...Jupiter is indeed> > significator for knowledge; However our ability to learn and interpret> > (or express) that knowledge (available to us) is another matter> > entirely. It really isn't a matter of who's better than the other...both> > are necessary.> > > >> > > > Krishna asked you (see below) to explain the logic behind your stand> > on varga aspects etc; but so far no response from you...why? It's one> > thing to criticize others but not so easy to give solid reasons for your> > criticism.> > > >> > > > Krishna Wrote:> > > > ///Now, I would like to understand how planets in different signs in> > D9 can be> > > > considered as in physical plane and why the planetary aspects are> > valid in> > > > this division. Hope you will help me overcome my dilemma.///> > > >> > > > Your statement that he was responding to:> > > > //It sounds illogical that 9th division (Nav-Amsa or degrees) of a> > 30> > > > degrees of a sign of zodiac, which is a physical reality is> > addressed as> > > > imaginary?//> > > >> > > > Please explain the logic behind your statements before posting more> > of the same.> > > >> > > > Best Wishes,> > > > Mrs. Wendy> > > > http://JyotishVidya.com> > > >> > > > =========================> > > >> > > >> > > > litsol> > > > Friday, 29 January 2010 12:34 AM> > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>> > > > Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I am sorry Ma'm Wendy, You are not much correct here, Jup denotes> > Akash> > > > tatwa, It learns from what's called akashik library, I mean, people> > with> > > > good Jup in lagna and 10'th reveals things themselves whereas> > peopple> > > > with good Merc reads their discoveries and propogates it, in fact> > both> > > > are required still Jup's role is better than Merc.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit Mishra> > > >> > > >> > > > =========================> > > >> > > >> > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>,> > Krishnamurthy Seetharama> > > > <kmurthys58@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Yes, I agree with you Mrs. Wendy. Even if they are knowledgeable,> > they> > > > would> > > > > lack expression and will not be able to convey what they know.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Krishna> > > >> > > >> > > > ==========================> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus> > signature database 4815 (20100128) __________> > > >> > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.> > > >> > > > http://www.eset.com> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

February 2, 2010

I wish to clarify that my post about Navamsa was based on study of following jyotish classics in my possession, None of the following classics mention divisional horoscopes or Amsha Kundali or Varga kundali the way Janma Kundali (natal chart) is mentioned by them, this is the reason that there is no reference Navamsa bhava, Navamsa conjunctions or Navamsa aspects on Navamsa bhava etc, vedic jyotish only suggests to make table of Navamsas occupied by graha (planet) in a rashi of janma kundali or natal chart and defines predictive attributes of planets falling in those Navamsa or Amsas or set of degrees of named divisions of same rashi as given in janma kundali or natal chart.

It appears that sages were doing efforts to define predictive attributes of each degree of a nakshatra and rashi, Sage Kashyap's describes Padas of Nakschatras and also identifies a Yogtara in the tara's of Nakshtras, His description of Nakshatras gives can give a corrective foundation to Krishnamurti Padhati which looks to be deviated from the vedic path and therefore loosing predictive lustre, Sage Shukadeva seems to be first who gave idea of Mritu Bhaga, however, His proposition is largely different then what's given in Jatak Parijata, Phaladeepika and Prashna Marga.

I was asked by groups members in other groups about the base of my posting, therefore this confirmatory post is done.

Classics by Sages :

Sage Work

Lomash Lomash Samhita (700 verses)Vasistha Vasistha Samhita Bhrigu Bhrigu Samhita, Bhrigu SutraKashyap Atharvan JyotioshParashuram Bhargav NadikaShukdeva Shuka JatakmParashara Brihad Parashar Hora ShastraBadrayana Prashna Vidya

Classics by Seers :

Seer Work

Satyacharya Satya jatak (Druva Nadi)Bhaskaracharya Bhava DeepikaRamanujacharya Bhavarh Ratnakar

Tantra Classics :

Lord Work

Punja Raja Shambu Hora PrakashShiav - Parvati Jyotisharnav NavneetamShiva - Parvati Rudrayamal Tantra

Nadi Classics :

Deva Keralam by R SanthanamSuka Nadi by R Santhanam

Classics by Scholars :

Scholar Work

Prithu Vyasa Hora SaraVenktesh Shastri Sarvarth ChintamaniVaidyanath Jatak ParijaatKalyan Verman SarawaliKalidasa Uttar KalamritamHema Prabhu Suri Triloka Jyotish (Jain Classic)Dhundhiraj JatakBharanamJeevanath Bhava KautuhalamBalbhadra Mishra Hora RatnamHara Shandilya ManSagri Ramdina Daivagya Brihad Daivagya RanjanamAbdurahim Khan Khana Kheta KautukamRam Dayalu Sanket NidhiMaha Dev pathak Jatak TatvaRam Rathna Ojha Phalit VikasMukund Vallabh Mishra ShadVarga Phal PrakashMukund Daivagya Bhava Manjari, Phalit MartandK N Sarawati Jatak Chandrika

I have deliberately not studied VarahMihira's work, I am open for any discussion or debate on vedic view of Navamsa or any amsa or division.

regards,Lalit

jyotish-vidya , "litsol" <litsol wrote:>> > Dear Mr Krishnamurthy,> > I have said that seperate drishti or aspects should not be used in> Navamsa or any other charts as planets cast drishti or aspect to whole> of house aspected by them not only to one quarter or portion, that means> all the navamsas of a rashi falling in a house receives same aspect,> there is no question of additional aspects exclusive to navamsa or any> divisional chart.> > regards,> Lalit Mishra> > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama> kmurthys58@ wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> >> > This does not explain why 'graha drishti' should be used in navamsha> or in> > any varga chart. For example, why one should consider Jupiter drishti> on> > 5th, 7th, and 9th houses in Navamsha?> >> > Regards,> > Krishna> >> >> > On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:57 PM, litsol litsol@ wrote:> >> > >> > >> > >> > > Ma'm Wendy,> > >> > > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of phalit jyotish> or> > > predictive astrology.> > >> > > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions of 3.20> > > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 degrees, each> > > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by 12 navamsas> in> > > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi which is> mesha,> > > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.> > >> > > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha rashi's first> > > navamsa is Mesha navamsa.> > >> > > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do have> predictive> > > implications internal to the that rashi,> > >> > > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis within the> > > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is no way> > > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, Planet's cast> their> > > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a rashi> receives> > > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi receives same> aspect,> > > navamsa chart is in fact only a diagramatic presentation of those> > > navamsas or 3.20 degrees pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at> the> > > time of birth, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees having a> planet> > > denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for the ease of the> > > astrologer only, as such there is nothing like navmasha chart, our> sages> > > have not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they only> talked> > > about division or amsa.> > >> > > The navamsa and other such charts which came into existance for the> ease> > > of the astrologers over the period misunderstood as seperate charts> and> > > therefore question of aspects and conjunction etc emerged.> > >> > > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and other> divisional> > > cahrts are ok but they have their own in built hazards, like take a> > > case, suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of simha> (Leo),> > > and merc is placed in mesha navamsa of vrisabha (Taurus), now, you> w'd> > > find in navamsa chart, Sun and Merc are conjunct to each other,> whereas,> > > they are in different houses in rashi or lagna chart.> > >> > > At this point, such divisional charts are misleading, this is the> > > reason, our sages talked about only navamsas or other divisions and> have> > > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or other> divisions,> > > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of NAVAMSA CHART> or> > > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could have create confusions like> > > today most astrologers are having.> > >> > > Hope it helps to everybody, And I think our astrologers w'd stop> taking> > > Navamsa in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or Iyear's manner rather> they> > > w'd take navamsa as navamsa's manner of Jyotish as stated by sages.> > >> > > regards,> > > Lalit Mishra.> > >> > >> > > jyotish-vidya > <jyotish-vidya%40>,> > > "litsol" litsol@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Ma'm,> > > >> > > > I wd revert in the evening.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Lalit Mishra.> > > >> > > > jyotish-vidya > <jyotish-vidya%40>,> > > "Mrs. Wendy" jyotishvidya@> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > Of course there is some truth in what you say...Jupiter is> indeed> > > significator for knowledge; However our ability to learn and> interpret> > > (or express) that knowledge (available to us) is another matter> > > entirely. It really isn't a matter of who's better than the> other...both> > > are necessary.> > > > >> > > > > Krishna asked you (see below) to explain the logic behind your> stand> > > on varga aspects etc; but so far no response from you...why? It's> one> > > thing to criticize others but not so easy to give solid reasons for> your> > > criticism.> > > > >> > > > > Krishna Wrote:> > > > > ///Now, I would like to understand how planets in different> signs in> > > D9 can be> > > > > considered as in physical plane and why the planetary aspects> are> > > valid in> > > > > this division. Hope you will help me overcome my dilemma.///> > > > >> > > > > Your statement that he was responding to:> > > > > //It sounds illogical that 9th division (Nav-Amsa or degrees) of> a> > > 30> > > > > degrees of a sign of zodiac, which is a physical reality is> > > addressed as> > > > > imaginary?//> > > > >> > > > > Please explain the logic behind your statements before posting> more> > > of the same.> > > > >> > > > > Best Wishes,> > > > > Mrs. Wendy> > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com> > > > >> > > > > =========================> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > litsol> > > > > Friday, 29 January 2010 12:34 AM> > > > > jyotish-vidya > <jyotish-vidya%40>> > > > > Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage> Prediction> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I am sorry Ma'm Wendy, You are not much correct here, Jup> denotes> > > Akash> > > > > tatwa, It learns from what's called akashik library, I mean,> people> > > with> > > > > good Jup in lagna and 10'th reveals things themselves whereas> > > peopple> > > > > with good Merc reads their discoveries and propogates it, in> fact> > > both> > > > > are required still Jup's role is better than Merc.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit Mishra> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > =========================> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > jyotish-vidya > <jyotish-vidya%40>,> > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama> > > > > <kmurthys58@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Yes, I agree with you Mrs. Wendy. Even if they are> knowledgeable,> > > they> > > > > would> > > > > > lack expression and will not be able to convey what they know.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Krishna> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ==========================> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of> virus> > > signature database 4815 (20100128) __________> > > > >> > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.> > > > >> > > > > http://www.eset.com> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >

February 2, 2010

Good to know that you have lot of knowledge in your possession. I have very few in my possession as a comparison.Regards,Krishna

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 1:59 AM, litsol <litsol wrote:

I wish to clarify that my post about Navamsa was based on study of following jyotish classics in my possession, None of the following classics mention divisional horoscopes or Amsha Kundali or Varga kundali the way Janma Kundali (natal chart) is mentioned by them, this is the reason that there is no reference Navamsa bhava, Navamsa conjunctions or Navamsa aspects on Navamsa bhava etc, vedic jyotish only suggests to make table of Navamsas occupied by graha (planet) in a rashi of janma kundali or natal chart and defines predictive attributes of planets falling in those Navamsa or Amsas or set of degrees of named divisions of same rashi as given in janma kundali or natal chart.

It appears that sages were doing efforts to define predictive attributes of each degree of a nakshatra and rashi, Sage Kashyap's describes Padas of Nakschatras and also identifies a Yogtara in the tara's of Nakshtras, His description of Nakshatras gives can give a corrective foundation to Krishnamurti Padhati which looks to be deviated from the vedic path and therefore loosing predictive lustre, Sage Shukadeva seems to be first who gave idea of Mritu Bhaga, however, His proposition is largely different then what's given in Jatak Parijata, Phaladeepika and Prashna Marga.

I was asked by groups members in other groups about the base of my posting, therefore this confirmatory post is done.

Classics by Sages :

Sage Work

Lomash Lomash Samhita (700 verses)Vasistha Vasistha Samhita Bhrigu Bhrigu Samhita, Bhrigu Sutra

Kashyap Atharvan JyotioshParashuram Bhargav NadikaShukdeva Shuka JatakmParashara Brihad Parashar Hora Shastra

Badrayana Prashna Vidya

Classics by Seers :

Seer Work

Satyacharya Satya jatak (Druva Nadi)Bhaskaracharya Bhava DeepikaRamanujacharya Bhavarh Ratnakar

Tantra Classics :

Lord Work

Punja Raja Shambu Hora PrakashShiav - Parvati Jyotisharnav NavneetamShiva - Parvati Rudrayamal Tantra

Nadi Classics :

Deva Keralam by R SanthanamSuka Nadi by R Santhanam

Classics by Scholars :

Scholar Work

Prithu Vyasa Hora SaraVenktesh Shastri Sarvarth ChintamaniVaidyanath Jatak ParijaatKalyan Verman Sarawali

Kalidasa Uttar KalamritamHema Prabhu Suri Triloka Jyotish (Jain Classic)Dhundhiraj JatakBharanamJeevanath Bhava Kautuhalam

Balbhadra Mishra Hora RatnamHara Shandilya ManSagri Ramdina Daivagya Brihad Daivagya RanjanamAbdurahim Khan Khana Kheta KautukamRam Dayalu Sanket Nidhi

Maha Dev pathak Jatak TatvaRam Rathna Ojha Phalit VikasMukund Vallabh Mishra ShadVarga Phal PrakashMukund Daivagya Bhava Manjari, Phalit Martand

K N Sarawati Jatak Chandrika

I have deliberately not studied VarahMihira's work, I am open for any discussion or debate on vedic view of Navamsa or any amsa or division.

regards,Lalit

jyotish-vidya , " litsol " <litsol wrote:>> > Dear Mr Krishnamurthy,> > I have said that seperate drishti or aspects should not be used in

> Navamsa or any other charts as planets cast drishti or aspect to whole> of house aspected by them not only to one quarter or portion, that means> all the navamsas of a rashi falling in a house receives same aspect,

> there is no question of additional aspects exclusive to navamsa or any> divisional chart.> > regards,> Lalit Mishra> > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> kmurthys58@ wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> >> > This does not explain why 'graha drishti' should be used in navamsha> or in> > any varga chart. For example, why one should consider Jupiter drishti

> on> > 5th, 7th, and 9th houses in Navamsha?> >> > Regards,> > Krishna> >> >> > On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:57 PM, litsol litsol@ wrote:> >

> > >> > >> > >> > > Ma'm Wendy,> > >> > > Our sages identified that Rashi is the basic unit of phalit jyotish> or> > > predictive astrology.

> > >> > > If you look at navamsa, they are sequential subdivisions of 3.20> > > degrees, you can take each navamsa as a pocket of 3.20 degrees, each> > > pocket denotes one rashi, thus, 12 rashis are denoted by 12 navamsas

> in> > > sequence, and 13th navamsa again denotes the first rashi which is> mesha,> > > this way it gets repeated from mesha to meena.> > >> > > Meena Rasi's last navamsa is Meena navamsa and Mesha rashi's first

> > > navamsa is Mesha navamsa.> > >> > > Navamsa and other sub-divisions of 30 degrees rashi do have> predictive> > > implications internal to the that rashi,> > >

> > > As we see that each rasi has 9 navamsas denoting 9 rashis within the> > > rasi in question, we can easily understand that navamsa is no way> > > eqvivalent to independant rashi, In vedic astrology, Planet's cast

> their> > > aspects from a rashi to another rashi, that means, if a rashi> receives> > > aspect of a planet, all the navamsas of that rashi receives same> aspect,> > > navamsa chart is in fact only a diagramatic presentation of those

> > > navamsas or 3.20 degrees pocket of a rashi where a planet reached at> the> > > time of birth, In fact, all such pockets of 3.20 degrees having a> planet> > > denoting a rashi are integrated into a chart for the ease of the

> > > astrologer only, as such there is nothing like navmasha chart, our> sages> > > have not considered Navamsa or any D chart as a chart, they only> talked> > > about division or amsa.

> > >> > > The navamsa and other such charts which came into existance for the> ease> > > of the astrologers over the period misunderstood as seperate charts> and> > > therefore question of aspects and conjunction etc emerged.

> > >> > > As far as astrologer's ease is concerned, navamsa and other> divisional> > > cahrts are ok but they have their own in built hazards, like take a> > > case, suppose, in a chart Sun is placed in Mesha navamsa of simha

> (Leo),> > > and merc is placed in mesha navamsa of vrisabha (Taurus), now, you> w'd> > > find in navamsa chart, Sun and Merc are conjunct to each other,> whereas,> > > they are in different houses in rashi or lagna chart.

> > >> > > At this point, such divisional charts are misleading, this is the> > > reason, our sages talked about only navamsas or other divisions and> have> > > given phaladesh or results on the basis of navamsa or other

> divisions,> > > they have not given phaladesh (RESULT) on the basis of NAVAMSA CHART> or> > > ANY DIVISIONAL CHART because that could have create confusions like> > > today most astrologers are having.

> > >> > > Hope it helps to everybody, And I think our astrologers w'd stop> taking> > > Navamsa in Raman's manner or Rao's manner or Iyear's manner rather> they

> > > w'd take navamsa as navamsa's manner of Jyotish as stated by sages.> > >> > > regards,> > > Lalit Mishra.> > >> > >> > > jyotish-vidya

> <jyotish-vidya%40>,> > > " litsol " litsol@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Ma'm,> > > >

> > > > I wd revert in the evening.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Lalit Mishra.> > > >> > > > jyotish-vidya

> <jyotish-vidya%40>,> > > " Mrs. Wendy " jyotishvidya@> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >> > > > > Of course there is some truth in what you say...Jupiter is> indeed> > > significator for knowledge; However our ability to learn and> interpret

> > > (or express) that knowledge (available to us) is another matter> > > entirely. It really isn't a matter of who's better than the> other...both> > > are necessary.

> > > > >> > > > > Krishna asked you (see below) to explain the logic behind your> stand> > > on varga aspects etc; but so far no response from you...why? It's

> one> > > thing to criticize others but not so easy to give solid reasons for> your> > > criticism.> > > > >> > > > > Krishna Wrote:> > > > > ///Now, I would like to understand how planets in different

> signs in> > > D9 can be> > > > > considered as in physical plane and why the planetary aspects> are> > > valid in> > > > > this division. Hope you will help me overcome my dilemma.///

> > > > >> > > > > Your statement that he was responding to:> > > > > //It sounds illogical that 9th division (Nav-Amsa or degrees) of> a> > > 30

> > > > > degrees of a sign of zodiac, which is a physical reality is> > > addressed as> > > > > imaginary?//> > > > >> > > > > Please explain the logic behind your statements before posting

> more> > > of the same.> > > > >> > > > > Best Wishes,> > > > > Mrs. Wendy> > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > > > >> > > > > =========================> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > litsol> > > > > Friday, 29 January 2010 12:34 AM

> > > > > jyotish-vidya > <jyotish-vidya%40>

> > > > > Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage> Prediction> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I am sorry Ma'm Wendy, You are not much correct here, Jup

> denotes> > > Akash> > > > > tatwa, It learns from what's called akashik library, I mean,> people> > > with> > > > > good Jup in lagna and 10'th reveals things themselves whereas

> > > peopple> > > > > with good Merc reads their discoveries and propogates it, in> fact> > > both> > > > > are required still Jup's role is better than Merc.

> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit Mishra> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > =========================> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > jyotish-vidya > <jyotish-vidya%40>,

> > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama> > > > > <kmurthys58@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Yes, I agree with you Mrs. Wendy. Even if they are> knowledgeable,

> > > they> > > > > would> > > > > > lack expression and will not be able to convey what they know.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Krishna> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ==========================> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of

> virus> > > signature database 4815 (20100128) __________> > > > >> > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.> > > > >> > > > > http://www.eset.com

> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >

February 2, 2010

Possession of good books does not mean possession of knowledge.Â Â

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C.S. Ravindramani.

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote:

Â

Good to know that you have lot of knowledge in your possession. I have very few in my possession as a comparison. Regards,Krishna

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 1:59 AM, litsol <litsol wrote:

Â

I wish to clarify that my post about Navamsa was based on study of following jyotish classics in my possession,Â None of the following classics mention divisional horoscopes or Amsha Kundali or Varga kundali the way Janma Kundali (natal chart) is mentioned by them, this is the reason that there is no reference Navamsa bhava, Navamsa conjunctions or Navamsa aspects on Navamsa bhava etc, vedic jyotish only suggests to make table of Navamsas occupied by graha (planet) in a rashi of janma kundali or natal chart and defines predictive attributes of planets falling in those Navamsa or Amsas or set of degrees of named divisions of same rashi as given in janma kundali or natal chart.

It appears that sages were doing efforts to define predictive attributes of each degree of a nakshatra and rashi, Sage Kashyap's describes Padas of Nakschatras and also identifies a Yogtara in the tara's of Nakshtras, His description of Nakshatras gives can give a corrective foundation to Krishnamurti Padhati which looks to be deviated from the vedic path and therefore loosing predictive lustre, Sage Shukadeva seems to be first who gave idea of Mritu Bhaga, however, His proposition is largely different then what's givenÂ in Jatak Parijata, Phaladeepika and Prashna Marga.

I was asked by groups members in other groups about the base of my posting, therefore this confirmatory post is done.

Classics by Sages :

Sage Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Work

LomashÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Lomash Samhita (700 verses)VasisthaÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Vasistha Samhita BhriguÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Bhrigu Samhita, Bhrigu Sutra

KashyapÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Atharvan JyotioshParashuramÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Bhargav NadikaShukdevaÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Shuka JatakmParasharaÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Brihad Parashar Hora Shastra

BadrayanaÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Prashna Vidya

Classics by Seers :

SeerÂ Â Â Work

SatyacharyaÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Satya jatak (Druva Nadi)BhaskaracharyaÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Bhava DeepikaRamanujacharyaÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Bhavarh Ratnakar

Tantra ClassicsÂ :

LordÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â WorkÂ

Punja RajaÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Shambu Hora PrakashShiav - ParvatiÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Jyotisharnav NavneetamShiva - ParvatiÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Rudrayamal Tantra

Nadi Classics :

Deva Keralam by R SanthanamSuka Nadi by R Santhanam

Classics by Scholars :

Scholar Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Work

Prithu VyasaÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Hora SaraVenktesh ShastriÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Sarvarth ChintamaniVaidyanathÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Jatak ParijaatKalyan VermanÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Sarawali

KalidasaÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Uttar KalamritamHema Prabhu SuriÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Triloka Jyotish (Jain Classic)DhundhirajÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â JatakBharanamJeevanathÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Bhava Kautuhalam

Balbhadra MishraÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Hora RatnamHara ShandilyaÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â ManSagriÂ Ramdina DaivagyaÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Brihad Daivagya RanjanamAbdurahim Khan KhanaÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Kheta KautukamRam DayaluÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Sanket Nidhi

Maha Dev pathakÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Jatak TatvaRam Rathna OjhaÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Phalit VikasMukund Vallabh MishraÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â ShadVarga Phal PrakashMukund DaivagyaÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Bhava Manjari, Phalit Martand

K N SarawatiÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Jatak Chandrika

I have deliberately not studied VarahMihira's work, I am open for any discussion or debate on vedic view of Navamsa or any amsa or division.

regards,Lalit

Â

February 2, 2010

I am agreed to you ravindramani, however, study of these classics helped me

understanding vedic approach of navamsa and that i shared with everybody, there

is no personal benefit in that.

And I left it to readers to decide their path.

Regards,

Lalit Mishra.

jyotish-vidya , " C.S. Ravindramani " <ravindramani

wrote:

>

> Possession of good books does not mean possession of knowledge.

>

> C.S. Ravindramani.

>

> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <

> kmurthys58 wrote:

>

> >

> > Good to know that you have lot of knowledge in your possession. I have very

> > few in my possession as a comparison.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 1:59 AM, litsol <litsol wrote:

> >

> >>

> >> I wish to clarify that my post about Navamsa was based on study of

> >> following jyotish classics in my possession, None of the following classics

> >> mention divisional horoscopes or Amsha Kundali or Varga kundali the way

> >> Janma Kundali (natal chart) is mentioned by them, this is the reason that

> >> there is no reference Navamsa bhava, Navamsa conjunctions or Navamsa

aspects

> >> on Navamsa bhava etc, vedic jyotish only suggests to make table of Navamsas

> >> occupied by graha (planet) in a rashi of janma kundali or natal chart and

> >> defines predictive attributes of planets falling in those Navamsa or Amsas

> >> or set of degrees of named divisions of same rashi as given in janma

kundali

> >> or natal chart.

> >>

> >> It appears that sages were doing efforts to define predictive attributes

> >> of each degree of a nakshatra and rashi, Sage Kashyap's describes Padas of

> >> Nakschatras and also identifies a Yogtara in the tara's of Nakshtras, His

> >> description of Nakshatras gives can give a corrective foundation to

> >> Krishnamurti Padhati which looks to be deviated from the vedic path and

> >> therefore loosing predictive lustre, Sage Shukadeva seems to be first who

> >> gave idea of Mritu Bhaga, however, His proposition is largely different

then

> >> what's given in Jatak Parijata, Phaladeepika and Prashna Marga.

> >>

> >> I was asked by groups members in other groups about the base of my

> >> posting, therefore this confirmatory post is done.

> >>

> >> *Classics by Sages :*

> >>

> >> Sage Work

> >>

> >> Lomash Lomash Samhita (700 verses)

> >> Vasistha Vasistha Samhita

> >> Bhrigu Bhrigu Samhita, Bhrigu Sutra

> >> Kashyap Atharvan Jyotiosh

> >> Parashuram Bhargav Nadika

> >> Shukdeva Shuka Jatakm

> >> Parashara Brihad Parashar Hora Shastra

> >> Badrayana Prashna Vidya

> >>

> >> *Classics by Seers :*

> >>

> >> Seer Work

> >>

> >> Satyacharya Satya jatak (Druva Nadi)

> >> Bhaskaracharya Bhava Deepika

> >> Ramanujacharya Bhavarh Ratnakar

> >>

> >> *Tantra Classics :*

> >>

> >> Lord Work

> >>

> >> Punja Raja Shambu Hora Prakash

> >> Shiav - Parvati Jyotisharnav Navneetam

> >> Shiva - Parvati Rudrayamal Tantra

> >>

> >> *Nadi Classics :*

> >>

> >> Deva Keralam by R Santhanam

> >> Suka Nadi by R Santhanam

> >>

> >> *Classics by Scholars :*

> >>

> >> Scholar Work

> >>

> >> Prithu Vyasa Hora Sara

> >> Venktesh Shastri Sarvarth Chintamani

> >> Vaidyanath Jatak Parijaat

> >> Kalyan Verman Sarawali

> >> Kalidasa Uttar Kalamritam

> >> Hema Prabhu Suri Triloka Jyotish (Jain Classic)

> >> Dhundhiraj JatakBharanam

> >> Jeevanath Bhava Kautuhalam

> >> Balbhadra Mishra Hora Ratnam

> >> Hara Shandilya ManSagri

> >> Ramdina Daivagya Brihad Daivagya Ranjanam

> >> Abdurahim Khan Khana Kheta Kautukam

> >> Ram Dayalu Sanket Nidhi

> >> Maha Dev pathak Jatak Tatva

> >> Ram Rathna Ojha Phalit Vikas

> >> Mukund Vallabh Mishra ShadVarga Phal Prakash

> >> Mukund Daivagya Bhava Manjari, Phalit Martand

> >> K N Sarawati Jatak Chandrika

> >>

> >> I have deliberately not studied VarahMihira's work, I am open for any

> >> discussion or debate on vedic view of Navamsa or any amsa or division.

> >>

> >> regards,

> >> Lalit

> >>

> >

>

February 3, 2010

ï»¿

Dear Pt Ravindramani,

Namaskar...

I tried getting the books of Shri Sheshadri but no joy....

Can you tell us the name of the publisher and where it can be obtained in India/Delhi?

Regards...

RRS

Man is a creater of his own destiny by his Karma.

-

C.S. Ravindramani

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:33 AM

Re: Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction

Possession of good books does not mean possession of knowledge.

C.S. Ravindramani.

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 > wrote:

Good to know that you have lot of knowledge in your possession. I have very few in my possession as a comparison. Regards,Krishna

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 1:59 AM, litsol <litsol (AT) grouply (DOT) com> wrote:

I wish to clarify that my post about Navamsa was based on study of following jyotish classics in my possession, None of the following classics mention divisional horoscopes or Amsha Kundali or Varga kundali the way Janma Kundali (natal chart) is mentioned by them, this is the reason that there is no reference Navamsa bhava, Navamsa conjunctions or Navamsa aspects on Navamsa bhava etc, vedic jyotish only suggests to make table of Navamsas occupied by graha (planet) in a rashi of janma kundali or natal chart and defines predictive attributes of planets falling in those Navamsa or Amsas or set of degrees of named divisions of same rashi as given in janma kundali or natal chart.

It appears that sages were doing efforts to define predictive attributes of each degree of a nakshatra and rashi, Sage Kashyap's describes Padas of Nakschatras and also identifies a Yogtara in the tara's of Nakshtras, His description of Nakshatras gives can give a corrective foundation to Krishnamurti Padhati which looks to be deviated from the vedic path and therefore loosing predictive lustre, Sage Shukadeva seems to be first who gave idea of Mritu Bhaga, however, His proposition is largely different then what's given in Jatak Parijata, Phaladeepika and Prashna Marga.

I was asked by groups members in other groups about the base of my posting, therefore this confirmatory post is done.

Classics by Sages :

Sage Work

Lomash Lomash Samhita (700 verses)Vasistha Vasistha Samhita Bhrigu Bhrigu Samhita, Bhrigu SutraKashyap Atharvan JyotioshParashuram Bhargav NadikaShukdeva Shuka JatakmParashara Brihad Parashar Hora ShastraBadrayana Prashna Vidya

Classics by Seers :

Seer Work

Satyacharya Satya jatak (Druva Nadi)Bhaskaracharya Bhava DeepikaRamanujacharya Bhavarh Ratnakar

Tantra Classics :

Lord Work

Punja Raja Shambu Hora PrakashShiav - Parvati Jyotisharnav NavneetamShiva - Parvati Rudrayamal Tantra

Nadi Classics :

Deva Keralam by R SanthanamSuka Nadi by R Santhanam

Classics by Scholars :

Scholar Work

Prithu Vyasa Hora SaraVenktesh Shastri Sarvarth ChintamaniVaidyanath Jatak ParijaatKalyan Verman SarawaliKalidasa Uttar KalamritamHema Prabhu Suri Triloka Jyotish (Jain Classic)Dhundhiraj JatakBharanamJeevanath Bhava KautuhalamBalbhadra Mishra Hora RatnamHara Shandilya ManSagri Ramdina Daivagya Brihad Daivagya RanjanamAbdurahim Khan Khana Kheta KautukamRam Dayalu Sanket NidhiMaha Dev pathak Jatak TatvaRam Rathna Ojha Phalit VikasMukund Vallabh Mishra ShadVarga Phal PrakashMukund Daivagya Bhava Manjari, Phalit MartandK N Sarawati Jatak Chandrika

I have deliberately not studied VarahMihira's work, I am open for any discussion or debate on vedic view of Navamsa or any amsa or division.

regards,Lalit

February 3, 2010

Dear Sir,

Â

ShriÂ H.R.Seshadri Iyer, wrote his experiments in Jyotish and his understanding, in series of articles, in Dr. B.V. Ramanâ€™s Astrological Magazine since 1962.Â Â Â This series appeared under the title New Techniques of Prediction.Â Â I got this series collected and stitched in a bound volume from my father.Â Â IÂ understand these articles were published by a publisher from Bangalore in a book form.Â In this series, the author dealt with number of issues other than the issue of using divisional charts in prediction.Â Â Now I understand this book is published by:

Â

Janapriya Prakashana,

No.57, First Main Road,

Yeshwantpur, Bangalore â€“ 22.

Â

One of my friends say this book ( in two or three volumes)Â can be had from Manorama Occult Publicatios, Manorama Bhawan, 170 B, Bank Enclave, Delhi-110 092.Â The best option comes to my mind is that if you are in Delhi, you can visit the on going World Book Fair at Pragati Maidan and you may purchase this publication including old astrological books from the stalls.

Â

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

Â

PS:Â I have no connection or business interests whatsoever with these publishers.Â I respond simply a person wants to know where to get this book. Moderators may kindly bear with me.Â This is not an advertisement on behalf of the publishers.

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 6:15 PM, RRS Riat <rrsriat wrote:

Â

ï»¿ Dear Pt Ravindramani,

Namaskar...

I tried getting the booksÂ of Shri SheshadriÂ but no joy....

Can you tell us the name of the publisher and where it can be obtained in India/Delhi?

Regards...

RRS

February 4, 2010

ï»¿

Dear Pt Ravindramani ji,

Thank you for the info.

I shall definitely visit the Book Fair and check for the books there.

Regards

RRS

Man is a creater of his own destiny by his Karma.

-

C.S. Ravindramani

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, February 04, 2010 07:53 AM

Re: Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction

Dear Sir,

Shri H.R.Seshadri Iyer, wrote his experiments in Jyotish and his understanding, in series of articles, in Dr. B.V. Ramanâ€™s Astrological Magazine since 1962. This series appeared under the title New Techniques of Prediction. I got this series collected and stitched in a bound volume from my father. I understand these articles were published by a publisher from Bangalore in a book form. In this series, the author dealt with number of issues other than the issue of using divisional charts in prediction. Now I understand this book is published by:

Janapriya Prakashana,

No.57, First Main Road,

Yeshwantpur, Bangalore â€“ 22.

One of my friends say this book ( in two or three volumes) can be had from Manorama Occult Publicatios, Manorama Bhawan, 170 B, Bank Enclave, Delhi-110 092. The best option comes to my mind is that if you are in Delhi, you can visit the on going World Book Fair at Pragati Maidan and you may purchase this publication including old astrological books from the stalls.

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani

PS: I have no connection or business interests whatsoever with these publishers. I respond simply a person wants to know where to get this book. Moderators may kindly bear with me. This is not an advertisement on behalf of the publishers.

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 6:15 PM, RRS Riat <rrsriat (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

ï»¿ Dear Pt Ravindramani,

Namaskar...

I tried getting the books of Shri Sheshadri but no joy....

Can you tell us the name of the publisher and where it can be obtained in India/Delhi?

Regards...

RRS

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