Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Dear Melissa, Many thanks for the effort you've put in to retrieve this information...much appreciated! ///The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable Nativities relate to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he uses is 25th December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 degrees 43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees 27 minutes./// Well, we can discount this one straight off as no-one on the face of this earth knows the actual date of Christ's birth, let alone the correct time. 25th December is simply the date chosen (for various reasons) to celebrate his birth. In the Gospel of Luke 2: 8 we're told: **And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.** I doubt very much if this could be December as it's winter then in this part of the world. I would assume the above to point to spring when the lambs are born. As for the other examples given, is there any indication from where this data was sourced...any evidence on the validity of this data? Believe me, I'm not trying to pick fault; just need verification before I look at the charts. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ====================== Melissa Grove Wednesday, 27 January 2010 4:34 PM jyotishvidya Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction Dear Mrs Wendy, Uttara ji and others, My intention was merely to show that astrologers such as B.V. Raman worked with aspects in the Navamsa chart. My position is similar to that expressed by C.S. Ravindramani in a recent post on the same subject: " I am not asking anybody here to follow what Raman says. I just bring to your notice that how he analyses a chart and and to show how different astrologers use the Navamsa chart. " However, since there is an interest in the horoscopes attached to the quotes I supplied, I am happy to oblige. The data for the charts I referred to is as follows: - The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable Nativities relate to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he uses is 25th December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 degrees 43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees 27 minutes. The remarks on page 62 to which I referred relate to the chart of the Emperor Nero. Data: 15th December 37 AD (O.S.) " at about 7.28 a.m. (Long. 12 degrees 46 minutes E., Lat. 41 degrees 29 minutes N.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees 2 minutes. The quote from page 80 concerns the horoscope of Omar Khayyam. Data: 18th May 1048 AD (O.S.), 4.48 a.m. (L.M.T.). Lat. 36 degrees 13 minutes N., Long. 58 degrees 45 minute E. Ayanamsa 9 degrees 6 minutes. The quote from page 96 concerns the horoscope of Guru Nanak. Data: 8th November 1470 (O.S.) at midnight (L.M.T.), Lat. 31 degrees 39 minutes N., Long. 74 degrees 47 minutes E. Ayanamsa 15 degrees. I hope this is of some help. As I have said, there are many examples of Raman's use of aspects when interpreting the navamasa - such as that given to the group by C.S. Ravindramani concerning the navamsa of Albert Einstein. Warm regards, Melissa ========================== .. __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4809 (20100127) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Dear Mrs. Wendy, Though the mail is addressed to some other member, I wish to write a line here that some of the data used in his book (Notable horoscopes) are disputed by known astrolgers many times and are needed verification before working on them. I wish to make it clear, my idea to post the quoting from his book earlier in the morning was restricted only to the usage of navamsa. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidyawrote: > > > Dear Melissa, > > Many thanks for the effort you've put in to retrieve this > information...much appreciated! > > ///The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable Nativities relate > to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he uses is 25th > December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 degrees 43 > minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees 27 > minutes./// > > Well, we can discount this one straight off as no-one on the face of this > earth knows the actual date of Christ's birth, let alone the correct time. > 25th December is simply the date chosen (for various reasons) to celebrate > his birth. > > In the Gospel of Luke 2: 8 we're told: > **And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, > keeping watch over their flock by night.** > > I doubt very much if this could be December as it's winter then in this > part of the world. I would assume the above to point to spring when the > lambs are born. > > As for the other examples given, is there any indication from where this > data was sourced...any evidence on the validity of this data? Believe me, > I'm not trying to pick fault; just need verification before I look at the > charts. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Dear Mrs Wendy, Again, I hold the same position as C.S. Ravindramani does as stated in his post of earlier today: - " I wish to make it clear, my idea to post the quoting from his book earlier in the morning was restricted only to the usage of navamsa. " You and Uttara ji asked for the data pertaining to the charts that related to the quotes and observations cited from the book by B.V. Raman. This data has been supplied. If the intention is to discuss these horoscopes further, perhaps a new thread should be opened, for that moves away from the original post, which concerned interpretation of the navamsa. It is clear from the text of the book, 'Notable Nativities', that Dr Raman interpreted the navamsa by taking aspects, such as Jupiter's 5th, 7th and 9th aspects, into account. That was his modus operandi whether the chart details he was supplied with were accurate or inaccurate. I, like you, don't consider Dr Raman's horoscope of Jesus Christ to be correct. Dr Raman does give sources for the nativities in his book. Several of the earlier ones (those from BC) are speculative. I have not yet had the opportunity to read all of today's posts on the subject of the navamsa chart. But I look forward to doing so and learning from what other members of the group have to say on the matter. I am interested to see if others work as Dr Raman did or, if not, how they interpret the navamsa. I would like to take this opportunity to thank Uttara ji for pointing me to http://jyotishvidya .com/navamsa. htm. When I read the page on the navamsa at this site I realized I have no set of notes comprehensively covering the navamsa, only one to two jottings mainly directing me to sections covering the topic in some book or other. The information to be found at jyotishvidya.com has been most useful to me. I note too that you Mrs Wendy have added something on that site and, I think, on that subject. I have not had the chance to look at your comment yet but will do so shortly. Warm regards, Melissa ________________________________ Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya Jyotish-Vidya <jyotish-vidya > Wed, 27 January, 2010 10:13:27 Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction Dear Melissa, Many thanks for the effort you've put in to retrieve this information. ..much appreciated! ///The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable Nativities relate to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he uses is 25th December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 degrees 43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees 27 minutes./// Well, we can discount this one straight off as no-one on the face of this earth knows the actual date of Christ's birth, let alone the correct time. 25th December is simply the date chosen (for various reasons) to celebrate his birth. In the Gospel of Luke 2: 8 we're told: **And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.** I doubt very much if this could be December as it's winter then in this part of the world. I would assume the above to point to spring when the lambs are born. As for the other examples given, is there any indication from where this data was sourced...any evidence on the validity of this data? Believe me, I'm not trying to pick fault; just need verification before I look at the charts. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya .com ============ ========= = Melissa Grove Wednesday, 27 January 2010 4:34 PM jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction Dear Mrs Wendy, Uttara ji and others, My intention was merely to show that astrologers such as B.V. Raman worked with aspects in the Navamsa chart. My position is similar to that expressed by C.S. Ravindramani in a recent post on the same subject: " I am not asking anybody here to follow what Raman says. I just bring to your notice that how he analyses a chart and and to show how different astrologers use the Navamsa chart. " However, since there is an interest in the horoscopes attached to the quotes I supplied, I am happy to oblige. The data for the charts I referred to is as follows: - The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable Nativities relate to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he uses is 25th December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 degrees 43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees 27 minutes. The remarks on page 62 to which I referred relate to the chart of the Emperor Nero. Data: 15th December 37 AD (O.S.) " at about 7.28 a.m. (Long. 12 degrees 46 minutes E., Lat. 41 degrees 29 minutes N.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees 2 minutes. The quote from page 80 concerns the horoscope of Omar Khayyam. Data: 18th May 1048 AD (O.S.), 4.48 a.m. (L.M.T.). Lat. 36 degrees 13 minutes N., Long. 58 degrees 45 minute E. Ayanamsa 9 degrees 6 minutes. The quote from page 96 concerns the horoscope of Guru Nanak. Data: 8th November 1470 (O.S.) at midnight (L.M.T.), Lat. 31 degrees 39 minutes N., Long. 74 degrees 47 minutes E. Ayanamsa 15 degrees. I hope this is of some help. As I have said, there are many examples of Raman's use of aspects when interpreting the navamasa - such as that given to the group by C.S. Ravindramani concerning the navamsa of Albert Einstein. Warm regards, Melissa ============ ========= ===== .. __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4809 (20100127) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset. com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Dear Melissa, i for one understand that aspects have to be considered if necessary in navamsa.Why not when they are considered from Rasi chart? -gopi. jyotish-vidya , Melissa Grove <anglicus09 wrote: > > Dear Mrs Wendy, > > Again, I hold the same position as C.S. Ravindramani does as stated in his post of earlier today: - > > " I wish to make it clear, my idea to post the quoting from his book earlier in the morning was restricted only to the usage of navamsa. " > > You and Uttara ji asked for the data pertaining to the charts that related to the quotes and observations cited from the book by B.V. Raman. This data has been supplied. If the intention is to discuss these horoscopes further, perhaps a new thread should be opened, for that moves away from the original post, which concerned interpretation of the navamsa. > > It is clear from the text of the book, 'Notable Nativities', that Dr Raman interpreted the navamsa by taking aspects, such as Jupiter's 5th, 7th and 9th aspects, into account. That was his modus operandi whether the chart details he was supplied with were accurate or inaccurate. I, like you, don't consider Dr Raman's horoscope of Jesus Christ to be correct. > > Dr Raman does give sources for the nativities in his book. Several of the earlier ones (those from BC) are speculative. > > I have not yet had the opportunity to read all of today's posts on the subject of the navamsa chart. But I look forward to doing so and learning from what other members of the group have to say on the matter. I am interested to see if others work as Dr Raman did or, if not, how they interpret the navamsa. > > I would like to take this opportunity to thank Uttara ji for pointing me to http://jyotishvidya .com/navamsa. htm. When I read the page on the navamsa at this site I realized I have no set of notes comprehensively covering the navamsa, only one to two jottings mainly directing me to sections covering the topic in some book or other. The information to be found at jyotishvidya.com has been most useful to me. I note too that you Mrs Wendy have added something on that site and, I think, on that subject. I have not had the chance to look at your comment yet but will do so shortly. > > Warm regards, > > > Melissa > > > > ________________________________ > Mrs. Wendy jyotishvidya > Jyotish-Vidya jyotish-vidya > Wed, 27 January, 2010 10:13:27 > Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction > > > Dear Melissa, > > Many thanks for the effort you've put in to retrieve this information. ...much appreciated! > > ///The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable Nativities relate to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he uses is 25th December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 degrees 43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees 27 minutes./// > > Well, we can discount this one straight off as no-one on the face of this earth knows the actual date of Christ's birth, let alone the correct time. 25th December is simply the date chosen (for various reasons) to celebrate his birth. > > In the Gospel of Luke 2: 8 we're told: > **And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.** > > I doubt very much if this could be December as it's winter then in this part of the world. I would assume the above to point to spring when the lambs are born. > > As for the other examples given, is there any indication from where this data was sourced...any evidence on the validity of this data? Believe me, I'm not trying to pick fault; just need verification before I look at the charts. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya .com > > ============ ========= = > > Melissa Grove > Wednesday, 27 January 2010 4:34 PM > jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com > Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction > > Dear Mrs Wendy, Uttara ji and others, > > My intention was merely to show that astrologers such as B.V. Raman worked with aspects in the Navamsa chart. My position is similar to that expressed by C.S. Ravindramani in a recent post on the same subject: > > " I am not asking anybody here to follow what Raman says. I just bring to your notice that how he analyses a chart and and to show how different astrologers use the Navamsa chart. " > > However, since there is an interest in the horoscopes attached to the quotes I supplied, I am happy to oblige. > > The data for the charts I referred to is as follows: - > > The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable Nativities relate to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he uses is 25th December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 degrees 43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees 27 minutes. > > The remarks on page 62 to which I referred relate to the chart of the Emperor Nero. Data: 15th December 37 AD (O.S.) " at about 7.28 a.m. (Long. 12 degrees 46 minutes E., Lat. 41 degrees 29 minutes N.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees 2 minutes. > > The quote from page 80 concerns the horoscope of Omar Khayyam. Data: 18th May 1048 AD (O.S.), 4.48 a.m. (L.M.T.). Lat. 36 degrees 13 minutes N., Long. 58 degrees 45 minute E. Ayanamsa 9 degrees 6 minutes. > > The quote from page 96 concerns the horoscope of Guru Nanak. Data: 8th November 1470 (O.S.) at midnight (L.M.T.), Lat. 31 degrees 39 minutes N., Long. 74 degrees 47 minutes E. Ayanamsa 15 degrees. > > I hope this is of some help. As I have said, there are many examples of Raman's use of aspects when interpreting the navamasa - such as that given to the group by C.S. Ravindramani concerning the navamsa of Albert Einstein. > > Warm regards, > > Melissa > > ============ ========= ===== > > . > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4809 (20100127) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset. com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Dear Friends, Consulatation of Navamsa a divisional chart may suggest to the person to have a better insight.For issues connected with Marraige D/9 has relevance for consultation as it represents chart of the partner/spouse apart from 7th house,7th lord of natal chart. Importance of Navamsa as a D/9 has it's own significance.Astrologers ususally confirm plantary positions and strength by looking at Navamsa. Where as aspects in D/9 to find strength of those signs/house can be considered.Any case,it is for the person looking at the chart to go into divisional charts.For marraige navamsa may be helpful. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Melissa Grove <anglicus09 wrote: Melissa Grove <anglicus09 Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction jyotish-vidya Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 9:17 AM  Dear Mrs Wendy, Again, I hold the same position as C.S. Ravindramani does as stated in his post of earlier today: - " I wish to make it clear, my idea to post the quoting from his book earlier in the morning was restricted only to the usage of navamsa. " You and Uttara ji asked for the data pertaining to the charts that related to the quotes and observations cited from the book by B.V. Raman. This data has been supplied. If the intention is to discuss these horoscopes further, perhaps a new thread should be opened, for that moves away from the original post, which concerned interpretation of the navamsa. It is clear from the text of the book, 'Notable Nativities', that Dr Raman interpreted the navamsa by taking aspects, such as Jupiter's 5th, 7th and 9th aspects, into account. That was his modus operandi whether the chart details he was supplied with were accurate or inaccurate. I, like you, don't consider Dr Raman's horoscope of Jesus Christ to be correct. Dr Raman does give sources for the nativities in his book. Several of the earlier ones (those from BC) are speculative. I have not yet had the opportunity to read all of today's posts on the subject of the navamsa chart. But I look forward to doing so and learning from what other members of the group have to say on the matter. I am interested to see if others work as Dr Raman did or, if not, how they interpret the navamsa. I would like to take this opportunity to thank Uttara ji for pointing me to http://jyotishvidya .com/navamsa. htm. When I read the page on the navamsa at this site I realized I have no set of notes comprehensively covering the navamsa, only one to two jottings mainly directing me to sections covering the topic in some book or other. The information to be found at jyotishvidya. com has been most useful to me. I note too that you Mrs Wendy have added something on that site and, I think, on that subject. I have not had the chance to look at your comment yet but will do so shortly. Warm regards, Melissa ____________ _________ _________ __ Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> Jyotish-Vidya <jyotish-vidya> Wed, 27 January, 2010 10:13:27 Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction Dear Melissa, Many thanks for the effort you've put in to retrieve this information. ...much appreciated! ///The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable Nativities relate to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he uses is 25th December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 degrees 43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees 27 minutes./// Well, we can discount this one straight off as no-one on the face of this earth knows the actual date of Christ's birth, let alone the correct time.. 25th December is simply the date chosen (for various reasons) to celebrate his birth. In the Gospel of Luke 2: 8 we're told: **And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.** I doubt very much if this could be December as it's winter then in this part of the world. I would assume the above to point to spring when the lambs are born. As for the other examples given, is there any indication from where this data was sourced...any evidence on the validity of this data? Believe me, I'm not trying to pick fault; just need verification before I look at the charts. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya .com ============ ========= = Melissa Grove Wednesday, 27 January 2010 4:34 PM jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction Dear Mrs Wendy, Uttara ji and others, My intention was merely to show that astrologers such as B.V. Raman worked with aspects in the Navamsa chart. My position is similar to that expressed by C.S. Ravindramani in a recent post on the same subject: " I am not asking anybody here to follow what Raman says. I just bring to your notice that how he analyses a chart and and to show how different astrologers use the Navamsa chart. " However, since there is an interest in the horoscopes attached to the quotes I supplied, I am happy to oblige. The data for the charts I referred to is as follows: - The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable Nativities relate to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he uses is 25th December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 degrees 43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees 27 minutes. The remarks on page 62 to which I referred relate to the chart of the Emperor Nero. Data: 15th December 37 AD (O.S.) " at about 7.28 a.m. (Long. 12 degrees 46 minutes E., Lat. 41 degrees 29 minutes N.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees 2 minutes. The quote from page 80 concerns the horoscope of Omar Khayyam. Data: 18th May 1048 AD (O.S.), 4.48 a.m. (L.M.T.). Lat. 36 degrees 13 minutes N., Long. 58 degrees 45 minute E. Ayanamsa 9 degrees 6 minutes. The quote from page 96 concerns the horoscope of Guru Nanak. Data: 8th November 1470 (O.S.) at midnight (L.M.T.), Lat. 31 degrees 39 minutes N., Long. 74 degrees 47 minutes E. Ayanamsa 15 degrees. I hope this is of some help. As I have said, there are many examples of Raman's use of aspects when interpreting the navamasa - such as that given to the group by C.S. Ravindramani concerning the navamsa of Albert Einstein.. 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Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Dear Gopi, The issue is that aspects are connected to physical positions of the planets. Only Rasi chart shows the physical positions of the planets and not any of the varga charts. It is like we consider a planet to be combust when it is close to the Sun in Rasi chart. However, we don't consider a planet to be combust in any of the varga charts. It is the same reason why there is a debate on whether to consider aspects of nodes or not as nodes are not physical planets and hence the question is - are they capable of casting aspects like physical planets? It is true that the astrological community is divided over this issue of considering aspects in varga charts. Those who consider the aspects state that such practice comes from their tradition. However, they don't have a logical explanation. Either they are wrong or the logical explanation has been lost in the cracks of the oral parampara. While some others feel that as there is no explicit mention in the texts of Parashara and others about using of aspects in varga charts, and also as it does not look logical, it is not correct to use aspects in varga charts. This is the dilemma. Hope I am clear. Regards, Krishna On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:56 PM, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote: > > > Dear Melissa, > i for one understand that aspects have to be considered if necessary in > navamsa.Why not when they are considered from Rasi chart? > -gopi. > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > Melissa Grove <anglicus09 > wrote: > > > > > Dear Mrs Wendy, > > > > Again, I hold the same position as C.S. Ravindramani does as stated in > his post of earlier today: - > > > > " I wish to make it clear, my idea to post the quoting from his > book earlier in the morning was restricted only to the usage of > navamsa. " > > > > You and Uttara ji asked for the data pertaining to the charts that > related to the quotes and observations cited from the book by B.V. > Raman. This data has been supplied. If the intention is to discuss these > horoscopes further, perhaps a new thread should be opened, for that > moves away from the original post, which concerned interpretation of the > navamsa. > > > > It is clear from the text of the book, 'Notable Nativities', that Dr > Raman interpreted the navamsa by taking aspects, such as Jupiter's 5th, > 7th and 9th aspects, into account. That was his modus operandi whether > the chart details he was supplied with were accurate or inaccurate. I, > like you, don't consider Dr Raman's horoscope of Jesus Christ to be > correct. > > > > Dr Raman does give sources for the nativities in his book. Several of > the earlier ones (those from BC) are speculative. > > > > I have not yet had the opportunity to read all of today's posts on the > subject of the navamsa chart. But I look forward to doing so and > learning from what other members of the group have to say on the matter. > I am interested to see if others work as Dr Raman did or, if not, how > they interpret the navamsa. > > > > I would like to take this opportunity to thank Uttara ji for pointing > me to http://jyotishvidya .com/navamsa. htm. When I read the page on the > navamsa at this site I realized I have no set of notes comprehensively > covering the navamsa, only one to two jottings mainly directing me to > sections covering the topic in some book or other. The information to be > found at jyotishvidya.com has been most useful to me. I note too that > you Mrs Wendy have added something on that site and, I think, on that > subject. I have not had the chance to look at your comment yet but will > do so shortly. > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Mrs. Wendy jyotishvidya > > > Jyotish-Vidya jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > > Wed, 27 January, 2010 10:13:27 > > Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction > > > > > > Dear Melissa, > > > > Many thanks for the effort you've put in to retrieve this information. > ..much appreciated! > > > > ///The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable Nativities > relate to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he uses is > 25th December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 degrees > 43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees 27 > minutes./// > > > > Well, we can discount this one straight off as no-one on the face of > this earth knows the actual date of Christ's birth, let alone the > correct time. 25th December is simply the date chosen (for various > reasons) to celebrate his birth. > > > > In the Gospel of Luke 2: 8 we're told: > > **And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, > keeping watch over their flock by night.** > > > > I doubt very much if this could be December as it's winter then in > this part of the world. I would assume the above to point to spring when > the lambs are born. > > > > As for the other examples given, is there any indication from where > this data was sourced...any evidence on the validity of this data? > Believe me, I'm not trying to pick fault; just need verification before > I look at the charts. > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya .com > > > > ============ ========= = > > > > Melissa Grove > > Wednesday, 27 January 2010 4:34 PM > > jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com > > Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction > > > > Dear Mrs Wendy, Uttara ji and others, > > > > My intention was merely to show that astrologers such as B.V. Raman > worked with aspects in the Navamsa chart. My position is similar to that > expressed by C.S. Ravindramani in a recent post on the same subject: > > > > " I am not asking anybody here to follow what Raman says. I just bring > to your notice that how he analyses a chart and and to show how > different astrologers use the Navamsa chart. " > > > > However, since there is an interest in the horoscopes attached to the > quotes I supplied, I am happy to oblige. > > > > The data for the charts I referred to is as follows: - > > > > The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable Nativities > relate to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he uses is > 25th December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 degrees > 43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees 27 > minutes. > > > > The remarks on page 62 to which I referred relate to the chart of the > Emperor Nero. Data: 15th December 37 AD (O.S.) " at about 7.28 a.m. > (Long. 12 degrees 46 minutes E., Lat. 41 degrees 29 minutes N.) " > Ayanamsa +5 degrees 2 minutes. > > > > The quote from page 80 concerns the horoscope of Omar Khayyam. Data: > 18th May 1048 AD (O.S.), 4.48 a.m. (L.M.T.). Lat. 36 degrees 13 minutes > N., Long. 58 degrees 45 minute E. Ayanamsa 9 degrees 6 minutes. > > > > The quote from page 96 concerns the horoscope of Guru Nanak. Data: 8th > November 1470 (O.S.) at midnight (L.M.T.), Lat. 31 degrees 39 minutes > N., Long. 74 degrees 47 minutes E. Ayanamsa 15 degrees. > > > > I hope this is of some help. As I have said, there are many examples > of Raman's use of aspects when interpreting the navamasa - such as that > given to the group by C.S. Ravindramani concerning the navamsa of Albert > Einstein. > > > > Warm regards, > > > > Melissa > > > > ============ ========= ===== > > > > . > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 4809 (20100127) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > http://www.eset. com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Dear Krishna ji, //The issue is that aspects are connected to physical positions of the > planets. // even this is also an imaginery position in the sky.(physical eye cant see).Ofcourse one may argue scientific eye could see.As you know the so called scientists(majority) say they dont believe in astrology!!As far as combustion is concerned if sun and mer are conjunct in D9 we should certainly consider it as well.Nodes are Shadow planets hence they are different.But there also the debate about aspects continues!!. Talking about logic my simple logic is as i mentioned earlier why not in vargas.But the aspects may get diluted when we go deeper into shastyamsa(D60).I think it is logical to consider aspects atleast in shadvargas like shadbalas.anyway logic is totally different from astrologic since it is beyond logic!!.. But ultimately the proof of the pudding...... Love and regards, gopi. jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote: > > Dear Gopi, > > The issue is that aspects are connected to physical positions of the > planets. Only Rasi chart shows the physical positions of the planets and not > any of the varga charts. It is like we consider a planet to be combust when > it is close to the Sun in Rasi chart. However, we don't consider a planet > to be combust in any of the varga charts. It is the same reason why there > is a debate on whether to consider aspects of nodes or not as nodes are not > physical planets and hence the question is - are they capable of casting > aspects like physical planets? > > It is true that the astrological community is divided over this issue of > considering aspects in varga charts. Those who consider the aspects state > that such practice comes from their tradition. However, they don't have a > logical explanation. Either they are wrong or the logical explanation has > been lost in the cracks of the oral parampara. While some others feel that > as there is no explicit mention in the texts of Parashara and others about > using of aspects in varga charts, and also as it does not look logical, it > is not correct to use aspects in varga charts. > > This is the dilemma. Hope I am clear. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:56 PM, gopalakrishna gopi_b927 wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Melissa, > > i for one understand that aspects have to be considered if necessary in > > navamsa.Why not when they are considered from Rasi chart? > > -gopi. > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > > Melissa Grove anglicus09@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mrs Wendy, > > > > > > Again, I hold the same position as C.S. Ravindramani does as stated in > > his post of earlier today: - > > > > > > " I wish to make it clear, my idea to post the quoting from his > > book earlier in the morning was restricted only to the usage of > > navamsa. " > > > > > > You and Uttara ji asked for the data pertaining to the charts that > > related to the quotes and observations cited from the book by B.V. > > Raman. This data has been supplied. If the intention is to discuss these > > horoscopes further, perhaps a new thread should be opened, for that > > moves away from the original post, which concerned interpretation of the > > navamsa. > > > > > > It is clear from the text of the book, 'Notable Nativities', that Dr > > Raman interpreted the navamsa by taking aspects, such as Jupiter's 5th, > > 7th and 9th aspects, into account. That was his modus operandi whether > > the chart details he was supplied with were accurate or inaccurate. I, > > like you, don't consider Dr Raman's horoscope of Jesus Christ to be > > correct. > > > > > > Dr Raman does give sources for the nativities in his book. Several of > > the earlier ones (those from BC) are speculative. > > > > > > I have not yet had the opportunity to read all of today's posts on the > > subject of the navamsa chart. But I look forward to doing so and > > learning from what other members of the group have to say on the matter. > > I am interested to see if others work as Dr Raman did or, if not, how > > they interpret the navamsa. > > > > > > I would like to take this opportunity to thank Uttara ji for pointing > > me to http://jyotishvidya .com/navamsa. htm. When I read the page on the > > navamsa at this site I realized I have no set of notes comprehensively > > covering the navamsa, only one to two jottings mainly directing me to > > sections covering the topic in some book or other. The information to be > > found at jyotishvidya.com has been most useful to me. I note too that > > you Mrs Wendy have added something on that site and, I think, on that > > subject. I have not had the chance to look at your comment yet but will > > do so shortly. > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Mrs. Wendy jyotishvidya@ > > > > > Jyotish-Vidya jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > > > Wed, 27 January, 2010 10:13:27 > > > Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction > > > > > > > > > Dear Melissa, > > > > > > Many thanks for the effort you've put in to retrieve this information. > > ..much appreciated! > > > > > > ///The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable Nativities > > relate to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he uses is > > 25th December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 degrees > > 43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees 27 > > minutes./// > > > > > > Well, we can discount this one straight off as no-one on the face of > > this earth knows the actual date of Christ's birth, let alone the > > correct time. 25th December is simply the date chosen (for various > > reasons) to celebrate his birth. > > > > > > In the Gospel of Luke 2: 8 we're told: > > > **And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, > > keeping watch over their flock by night.** > > > > > > I doubt very much if this could be December as it's winter then in > > this part of the world. I would assume the above to point to spring when > > the lambs are born. > > > > > > As for the other examples given, is there any indication from where > > this data was sourced...any evidence on the validity of this data? > > Believe me, I'm not trying to pick fault; just need verification before > > I look at the charts. > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > http://JyotishVidya .com > > > > > > ============ ========= = > > > > > > Melissa Grove > > > Wednesday, 27 January 2010 4:34 PM > > > jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com > > > Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction > > > > > > Dear Mrs Wendy, Uttara ji and others, > > > > > > My intention was merely to show that astrologers such as B.V. Raman > > worked with aspects in the Navamsa chart. My position is similar to that > > expressed by C.S. Ravindramani in a recent post on the same subject: > > > > > > " I am not asking anybody here to follow what Raman says. I just bring > > to your notice that how he analyses a chart and and to show how > > different astrologers use the Navamsa chart. " > > > > > > However, since there is an interest in the horoscopes attached to the > > quotes I supplied, I am happy to oblige. > > > > > > The data for the charts I referred to is as follows: - > > > > > > The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable Nativities > > relate to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he uses is > > 25th December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 degrees > > 43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees 27 > > minutes. > > > > > > The remarks on page 62 to which I referred relate to the chart of the > > Emperor Nero. Data: 15th December 37 AD (O.S.) " at about 7.28 a.m. > > (Long. 12 degrees 46 minutes E., Lat. 41 degrees 29 minutes N.) " > > Ayanamsa +5 degrees 2 minutes. > > > > > > The quote from page 80 concerns the horoscope of Omar Khayyam. Data: > > 18th May 1048 AD (O.S.), 4.48 a.m. (L.M.T.). Lat. 36 degrees 13 minutes > > N., Long. 58 degrees 45 minute E. Ayanamsa 9 degrees 6 minutes. > > > > > > The quote from page 96 concerns the horoscope of Guru Nanak. Data: 8th > > November 1470 (O.S.) at midnight (L.M.T.), Lat. 31 degrees 39 minutes > > N., Long. 74 degrees 47 minutes E. Ayanamsa 15 degrees. > > > > > > I hope this is of some help. As I have said, there are many examples > > of Raman's use of aspects when interpreting the navamasa - such as that > > given to the group by C.S. Ravindramani concerning the navamsa of Albert > > Einstein. > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > ============ ========= ===== > > > > > > . > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > > signature database 4809 (20100127) __________ > > > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > > > http://www.eset. com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Dear Gopi ji, //even this is also an imaginery position in the sky// You have got it wrong here. We are dealing with exact physical positions of the planets using their longitudes with reference to the center of the earth. These positions are not imaginary by any means! //As far as combustion is concerned if sun and mer are conjunct in D9 we should certainly consider it as well.// Again this does not make sense! Do you know if any noted astrologer following this!? //I think it is logical to consider aspects atleast in shadvargas// Please share your logical explanation. //But ultimately the proof of the pudding......// This is a tricky issue. With numerous parameters, numerous significations and numerous interpretations one can justify anything using any chart. If one is not careful and does not follow a well defined and consistent approach, there are many traps that can swallow us. That is why Mrs. Wendy is forcing students here to stick to one path shown by Parashara and not mix up and get lost. Even if you want to deviate a bit, you should have done good amount of experimentation with many charts before considering any small deviation. Of course this is my personal opinion. Regards, Krishna On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:58 PM, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote: > > > Dear Krishna ji, > //The issue is that aspects are connected to physical positions of the > > planets. // > even this is also an imaginery position in the sky.(physical eye cant > see).Ofcourse one may argue scientific eye could see.As you know the so > called scientists(majority) say they dont believe in astrology!!As far > as combustion is concerned if sun and mer are conjunct in D9 we should > certainly consider it as well.Nodes are Shadow planets hence they are > different.But there also the debate about aspects continues!!. > Talking about logic my simple logic is as i mentioned earlier why not in > vargas.But the aspects may get diluted when we go deeper into > shastyamsa(D60).I think it is logical to consider aspects atleast in > shadvargas like shadbalas.anyway logic is totally different from > astrologic since it is beyond logic!!.. > But ultimately the proof of the pudding...... > Love and regards, > gopi. > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > <kmurthys58 wrote: > > > > Dear Gopi, > > > > The issue is that aspects are connected to physical positions of the > > planets. Only Rasi chart shows the physical positions of the planets > and not > > any of the varga charts. It is like we consider a planet to be combust > when > > it is close to the Sun in Rasi chart. However, we don't consider a > planet > > to be combust in any of the varga charts. It is the same reason why > there > > is a debate on whether to consider aspects of nodes or not as nodes > are not > > physical planets and hence the question is - are they capable of > casting > > aspects like physical planets? > > > > It is true that the astrological community is divided over this issue > of > > considering aspects in varga charts. Those who consider the aspects > state > > that such practice comes from their tradition. However, they don't > have a > > logical explanation. Either they are wrong or the logical explanation > has > > been lost in the cracks of the oral parampara. While some others feel > that > > as there is no explicit mention in the texts of Parashara and others > about > > using of aspects in varga charts, and also as it does not look > logical, it > > is not correct to use aspects in varga charts. > > > > This is the dilemma. Hope I am clear. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:56 PM, gopalakrishna gopi_b927 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Melissa, > > > i for one understand that aspects have to be considered if necessary > in > > > navamsa.Why not when they are considered from Rasi chart? > > > -gopi. > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > <jyotish-vidya%40>, > > > > Melissa Grove anglicus09@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mrs Wendy, > > > > > > > > Again, I hold the same position as C.S. Ravindramani does as > stated in > > > his post of earlier today: - > > > > > > > > " I wish to make it clear, my idea to post the quoting from his > > > book earlier in the morning was restricted only to the usage of > > > navamsa. " > > > > > > > > You and Uttara ji asked for the data pertaining to the charts that > > > related to the quotes and observations cited from the book by B.V. > > > Raman. This data has been supplied. If the intention is to discuss > these > > > horoscopes further, perhaps a new thread should be opened, for that > > > moves away from the original post, which concerned interpretation of > the > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > It is clear from the text of the book, 'Notable Nativities', that > Dr > > > Raman interpreted the navamsa by taking aspects, such as Jupiter's > 5th, > > > 7th and 9th aspects, into account. That was his modus operandi > whether > > > the chart details he was supplied with were accurate or inaccurate. > I, > > > like you, don't consider Dr Raman's horoscope of Jesus Christ to be > > > correct. > > > > > > > > Dr Raman does give sources for the nativities in his book. Several > of > > > the earlier ones (those from BC) are speculative. > > > > > > > > I have not yet had the opportunity to read all of today's posts on > the > > > subject of the navamsa chart. But I look forward to doing so and > > > learning from what other members of the group have to say on the > matter. > > > I am interested to see if others work as Dr Raman did or, if not, > how > > > they interpret the navamsa. > > > > > > > > I would like to take this opportunity to thank Uttara ji for > pointing > > > me to http://jyotishvidya .com/navamsa. htm. When I read the page on > the > > > navamsa at this site I realized I have no set of notes > comprehensively > > > covering the navamsa, only one to two jottings mainly directing me > to > > > sections covering the topic in some book or other. The information > to be > > > found at jyotishvidya.com has been most useful to me. I note too > that > > > you Mrs Wendy have added something on that site and, I think, on > that > > > subject. I have not had the chance to look at your comment yet but > will > > > do so shortly. > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > Mrs. Wendy jyotishvidya@ > > > > > > > Jyotish-Vidya > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > <jyotish-vidya%40> > > > > > Wed, 27 January, 2010 10:13:27 > > > > Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Melissa, > > > > > > > > Many thanks for the effort you've put in to retrieve this > information. > > > ..much appreciated! > > > > > > > > ///The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable > Nativities > > > relate to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he uses > is > > > 25th December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 > degrees > > > 43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees > 27 > > > minutes./// > > > > > > > > Well, we can discount this one straight off as no-one on the face > of > > > this earth knows the actual date of Christ's birth, let alone the > > > correct time. 25th December is simply the date chosen (for various > > > reasons) to celebrate his birth. > > > > > > > > In the Gospel of Luke 2: 8 we're told: > > > > **And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the > field, > > > keeping watch over their flock by night.** > > > > > > > > I doubt very much if this could be December as it's winter then in > > > this part of the world. I would assume the above to point to spring > when > > > the lambs are born. > > > > > > > > As for the other examples given, is there any indication from > where > > > this data was sourced...any evidence on the validity of this data? > > > Believe me, I'm not trying to pick fault; just need verification > before > > > I look at the charts. > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > http://JyotishVidya .com > > > > > > > > ============ ========= = > > > > > > > > Melissa Grove > > > > Wednesday, 27 January 2010 4:34 PM > > > > jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com > > > > Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction > > > > > > > > Dear Mrs Wendy, Uttara ji and others, > > > > > > > > My intention was merely to show that astrologers such as B.V. > Raman > > > worked with aspects in the Navamsa chart. My position is similar to > that > > > expressed by C.S. Ravindramani in a recent post on the same subject: > > > > > > > > " I am not asking anybody here to follow what Raman says. I just > bring > > > to your notice that how he analyses a chart and and to show how > > > different astrologers use the Navamsa chart. " > > > > > > > > However, since there is an interest in the horoscopes attached to > the > > > quotes I supplied, I am happy to oblige. > > > > > > > > The data for the charts I referred to is as follows: - > > > > > > > > The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable Nativities > > > relate to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he uses > is > > > 25th December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 > degrees > > > 43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees > 27 > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > The remarks on page 62 to which I referred relate to the chart of > the > > > Emperor Nero. Data: 15th December 37 AD (O.S.) " at about 7.28 a.m. > > > (Long. 12 degrees 46 minutes E., Lat. 41 degrees 29 minutes N.) " > > > Ayanamsa +5 degrees 2 minutes. > > > > > > > > The quote from page 80 concerns the horoscope of Omar Khayyam. > Data: > > > 18th May 1048 AD (O.S.), 4.48 a.m. (L.M.T.). Lat. 36 degrees 13 > minutes > > > N., Long. 58 degrees 45 minute E. Ayanamsa 9 degrees 6 minutes. > > > > > > > > The quote from page 96 concerns the horoscope of Guru Nanak. Data: > 8th > > > November 1470 (O.S.) at midnight (L.M.T.), Lat. 31 degrees 39 > minutes > > > N., Long. 74 degrees 47 minutes E. Ayanamsa 15 degrees. > > > > > > > > I hope this is of some help. As I have said, there are many > examples > > > of Raman's use of aspects when interpreting the navamasa - such as > that > > > given to the group by C.S. Ravindramani concerning the navamsa of > Albert > > > Einstein. > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ===== > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > > > signature database 4809 (20100127) __________ > > > > > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > > > > > http://www.eset. com > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Dear Krishna ji, This logic itself is a tricky issue since it is conected with mind.!!!When i find it logical you may not find it so.Is it not?Hence astrological is beyond logic(of human mind).But even there human minds are looking /interpreting etc differently.B.V.Raman ji considered aspetc in navamsa and he did not go beyond navamsa.KNR ji considers asps for sure in vargas.Thats why i said proof of the pudding...... I have done experimentation but did not conclude since astrology is an ocean and experimentation goes on.... This is also my personal opinion for sure and at the sametime i am not dogmatic....Even sages of yore have differences as you know. Love and regards, gopi. jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote: > > Dear Gopi ji, > > //even this is also an imaginery position in the sky// > > You have got it wrong here. We are dealing with exact physical positions of > the planets using their longitudes with reference to the center of the > earth. These positions are not imaginary by any means! > > //As far as combustion is concerned if sun and mer are conjunct in D9 we > should certainly consider it as well.// > > Again this does not make sense! Do you know if any noted astrologer > following this!? > > //I think it is logical to consider aspects atleast in shadvargas// > > Please share your logical explanation. > > //But ultimately the proof of the pudding......// > > This is a tricky issue. With numerous parameters, numerous significations > and numerous interpretations one can justify anything using any chart. If > one is not careful and does not follow a well defined and consistent > approach, there are many traps that can swallow us. That is why Mrs. Wendy > is forcing students here to stick to one path shown by Parashara and not mix > up and get lost. Even if you want to deviate a bit, you should have done > good amount of experimentation with many charts before considering any small > deviation. > > Of course this is my personal opinion. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:58 PM, gopalakrishna gopi_b927 wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > //The issue is that aspects are connected to physical positions of the > > > planets. // > > even this is also an imaginery position in the sky.(physical eye cant > > see).Ofcourse one may argue scientific eye could see.As you know the so > > called scientists(majority) say they dont believe in astrology!!As far > > as combustion is concerned if sun and mer are conjunct in D9 we should > > certainly consider it as well.Nodes are Shadow planets hence they are > > different.But there also the debate about aspects continues!!. > > Talking about logic my simple logic is as i mentioned earlier why not in > > vargas.But the aspects may get diluted when we go deeper into > > shastyamsa(D60).I think it is logical to consider aspects atleast in > > shadvargas like shadbalas.anyway logic is totally different from > > astrologic since it is beyond logic!!.. > > But ultimately the proof of the pudding...... > > Love and regards, > > gopi. > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > kmurthys58@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gopi, > > > > > > The issue is that aspects are connected to physical positions of the > > > planets. Only Rasi chart shows the physical positions of the planets > > and not > > > any of the varga charts. It is like we consider a planet to be combust > > when > > > it is close to the Sun in Rasi chart. However, we don't consider a > > planet > > > to be combust in any of the varga charts. It is the same reason why > > there > > > is a debate on whether to consider aspects of nodes or not as nodes > > are not > > > physical planets and hence the question is - are they capable of > > casting > > > aspects like physical planets? > > > > > > It is true that the astrological community is divided over this issue > > of > > > considering aspects in varga charts. Those who consider the aspects > > state > > > that such practice comes from their tradition. However, they don't > > have a > > > logical explanation. Either they are wrong or the logical explanation > > has > > > been lost in the cracks of the oral parampara. While some others feel > > that > > > as there is no explicit mention in the texts of Parashara and others > > about > > > using of aspects in varga charts, and also as it does not look > > logical, it > > > is not correct to use aspects in varga charts. > > > > > > This is the dilemma. Hope I am clear. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:56 PM, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Melissa, > > > > i for one understand that aspects have to be considered if necessary > > in > > > > navamsa.Why not when they are considered from Rasi chart? > > > > -gopi. > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > > <jyotish-vidya%40>, > > > > > > Melissa Grove anglicus09@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mrs Wendy, > > > > > > > > > > Again, I hold the same position as C.S. Ravindramani does as > > stated in > > > > his post of earlier today: - > > > > > > > > > > " I wish to make it clear, my idea to post the quoting from his > > > > book earlier in the morning was restricted only to the usage of > > > > navamsa. " > > > > > > > > > > You and Uttara ji asked for the data pertaining to the charts that > > > > related to the quotes and observations cited from the book by B.V. > > > > Raman. This data has been supplied. If the intention is to discuss > > these > > > > horoscopes further, perhaps a new thread should be opened, for that > > > > moves away from the original post, which concerned interpretation of > > the > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > It is clear from the text of the book, 'Notable Nativities', that > > Dr > > > > Raman interpreted the navamsa by taking aspects, such as Jupiter's > > 5th, > > > > 7th and 9th aspects, into account. That was his modus operandi > > whether > > > > the chart details he was supplied with were accurate or inaccurate. > > I, > > > > like you, don't consider Dr Raman's horoscope of Jesus Christ to be > > > > correct. > > > > > > > > > > Dr Raman does give sources for the nativities in his book. Several > > of > > > > the earlier ones (those from BC) are speculative. > > > > > > > > > > I have not yet had the opportunity to read all of today's posts on > > the > > > > subject of the navamsa chart. But I look forward to doing so and > > > > learning from what other members of the group have to say on the > > matter. > > > > I am interested to see if others work as Dr Raman did or, if not, > > how > > > > they interpret the navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > I would like to take this opportunity to thank Uttara ji for > > pointing > > > > me to http://jyotishvidya .com/navamsa. htm. When I read the page on > > the > > > > navamsa at this site I realized I have no set of notes > > comprehensively > > > > covering the navamsa, only one to two jottings mainly directing me > > to > > > > sections covering the topic in some book or other. The information > > to be > > > > found at jyotishvidya.com has been most useful to me. I note too > > that > > > > you Mrs Wendy have added something on that site and, I think, on > > that > > > > subject. I have not had the chance to look at your comment yet but > > will > > > > do so shortly. > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > Mrs. Wendy jyotishvidya@ > > > > > > > > > Jyotish-Vidya > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > > <jyotish-vidya%40> > > > > > > > Wed, 27 January, 2010 10:13:27 > > > > > Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Melissa, > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks for the effort you've put in to retrieve this > > information. > > > > ..much appreciated! > > > > > > > > > > ///The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable > > Nativities > > > > relate to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he uses > > is > > > > 25th December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 > > degrees > > > > 43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees > > 27 > > > > minutes./// > > > > > > > > > > Well, we can discount this one straight off as no-one on the face > > of > > > > this earth knows the actual date of Christ's birth, let alone the > > > > correct time. 25th December is simply the date chosen (for various > > > > reasons) to celebrate his birth. > > > > > > > > > > In the Gospel of Luke 2: 8 we're told: > > > > > **And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the > > field, > > > > keeping watch over their flock by night.** > > > > > > > > > > I doubt very much if this could be December as it's winter then in > > > > this part of the world. I would assume the above to point to spring > > when > > > > the lambs are born. > > > > > > > > > > As for the other examples given, is there any indication from > > where > > > > this data was sourced...any evidence on the validity of this data? > > > > Believe me, I'm not trying to pick fault; just need verification > > before > > > > I look at the charts. > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > > http://JyotishVidya .com > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= = > > > > > > > > > > Melissa Grove > > > > > Wednesday, 27 January 2010 4:34 PM > > > > > jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com > > > > > Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mrs Wendy, Uttara ji and others, > > > > > > > > > > My intention was merely to show that astrologers such as B.V. > > Raman > > > > worked with aspects in the Navamsa chart. My position is similar to > > that > > > > expressed by C.S. Ravindramani in a recent post on the same subject: > > > > > > > > > > " I am not asking anybody here to follow what Raman says. I just > > bring > > > > to your notice that how he analyses a chart and and to show how > > > > different astrologers use the Navamsa chart. " > > > > > > > > > > However, since there is an interest in the horoscopes attached to > > the > > > > quotes I supplied, I am happy to oblige. > > > > > > > > > > The data for the charts I referred to is as follows: - > > > > > > > > > > The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable Nativities > > > > relate to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he uses > > is > > > > 25th December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 > > degrees > > > > 43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees > > 27 > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > The remarks on page 62 to which I referred relate to the chart of > > the > > > > Emperor Nero. Data: 15th December 37 AD (O.S.) " at about 7.28 a.m. > > > > (Long. 12 degrees 46 minutes E., Lat. 41 degrees 29 minutes N.) " > > > > Ayanamsa +5 degrees 2 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > The quote from page 80 concerns the horoscope of Omar Khayyam. > > Data: > > > > 18th May 1048 AD (O.S.), 4.48 a.m. (L.M.T.). Lat. 36 degrees 13 > > minutes > > > > N., Long. 58 degrees 45 minute E. Ayanamsa 9 degrees 6 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > The quote from page 96 concerns the horoscope of Guru Nanak. Data: > > 8th > > > > November 1470 (O.S.) at midnight (L.M.T.), Lat. 31 degrees 39 > > minutes > > > > N., Long. 74 degrees 47 minutes E. Ayanamsa 15 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > I hope this is of some help. As I have said, there are many > > examples > > > > of Raman's use of aspects when interpreting the navamasa - such as > > that > > > > given to the group by C.S. Ravindramani concerning the navamsa of > > Albert > > > > Einstein. > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ===== > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > > > > signature database 4809 (20100127) __________ > > > > > > > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.eset. com > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Dear Members, The issue emnating from marraige perspective and the need of Navmsa verification.Many Scholars attribute the divisonal charts helps for minute verification of most of the aspects of life of native.Accordingly each divisional chart assmes it's significamce.navamsa no doubt is useful to understanf the relationship with spouse. Aspects inD/9 depending on navamsa divisions of each,strength of house,planet has to be understood in the over all context of evaluation of life. When v r analysing a chart v consider most of the issue from natal chart and the positions of the palnets as at the time of epoch(as positioned in zodiac).It is not there for to consider as position of the planets in the sky has a pattern accepted by by all//this is also an imaginery position in the sky// Our Astrology is based on time space and the cosmic effect with reference to geocentric observation. 2.//if sun and mer are conjunct in D9 we shouldcertainly consider it as well//.Navamsa is 3.20 division and depending on their longitudes,the planets assme the position.Here question of combustion is not relevant..By this placement in navamsa v need to see whether planets have become weak or strong.Also the strength of houses and relationships of lords. 3.Every planets strength is assessed as per procedure laid down in classic.According to these this strength in six fold is assed.and quantified in rupas. where as aspects for planets as well as houses followed apply only in as per the natal chart.//it is logical to consider aspects atleast inshadvargas like shadbala//.Shadvargas are certainly an intersection of main chart.In the divisional chart,the planet strength may change based on divisional chart and position of planet Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Wed, 1/27/10, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote: gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction jyotish-vidya Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 10:28 AM  Dear Krishna ji, //The issue is that aspects are connected to physical positions of the > planets. // even this is also an imaginery position in the sky.(physical eye cant see).Ofcourse one may argue scientific eye could see.As you know the so called scientists(majority ) say they dont believe in astrology!!As far as combustion is concerned if sun and mer are conjunct in D9 we should certainly consider it as well.Nodes are Shadow planets hence they are different.But there also the debate about aspects continues!!. Talking about logic my simple logic is as i mentioned earlier why not in vargas.But the aspects may get diluted when we go deeper into shastyamsa(D60) .I think it is logical to consider aspects atleast in shadvargas like shadbalas.anyway logic is totally different from astrologic since it is beyond logic!!.. But ultimately the proof of the pudding..... . Love and regards, gopi. jyotish-vidya, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Gopi, > > The issue is that aspects are connected to physical positions of the > planets. Only Rasi chart shows the physical positions of the planets and not > any of the varga charts. It is like we consider a planet to be combust when > it is close to the Sun in Rasi chart. However, we don't consider a planet > to be combust in any of the varga charts. It is the same reason why there > is a debate on whether to consider aspects of nodes or not as nodes are not > physical planets and hence the question is - are they capable of casting > aspects like physical planets? > > It is true that the astrological community is divided over this issue of > considering aspects in varga charts. Those who consider the aspects state > that such practice comes from their tradition. However, they don't have a > logical explanation. Either they are wrong or the logical explanation has > been lost in the cracks of the oral parampara. While some others feel that > as there is no explicit mention in the texts of Parashara and others about > using of aspects in varga charts, and also as it does not look logical, it > is not correct to use aspects in varga charts. > > This is the dilemma. Hope I am clear. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:56 PM, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@.. . wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Melissa, > > i for one understand that aspects have to be considered if necessary in > > navamsa.Why not when they are considered from Rasi chart? > > -gopi. > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% 40. com>, > > Melissa Grove anglicus09@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mrs Wendy, > > > > > > Again, I hold the same position as C.S. Ravindramani does as stated in > > his post of earlier today: - > > > > > > " I wish to make it clear, my idea to post the quoting from his > > book earlier in the morning was restricted only to the usage of > > navamsa. " > > > > > > You and Uttara ji asked for the data pertaining to the charts that > > related to the quotes and observations cited from the book by B.V. > > Raman. This data has been supplied. If the intention is to discuss these > > horoscopes further, perhaps a new thread should be opened, for that > > moves away from the original post, which concerned interpretation of the > > navamsa. > > > > > > It is clear from the text of the book, 'Notable Nativities', that Dr > > Raman interpreted the navamsa by taking aspects, such as Jupiter's 5th, > > 7th and 9th aspects, into account. That was his modus operandi whether > > the chart details he was supplied with were accurate or inaccurate. I, > > like you, don't consider Dr Raman's horoscope of Jesus Christ to be > > correct. > > > > > > Dr Raman does give sources for the nativities in his book. Several of > > the earlier ones (those from BC) are speculative. > > > > > > I have not yet had the opportunity to read all of today's posts on the > > subject of the navamsa chart. But I look forward to doing so and > > learning from what other members of the group have to say on the matter. > > I am interested to see if others work as Dr Raman did or, if not, how > > they interpret the navamsa. > > > > > > I would like to take this opportunity to thank Uttara ji for pointing > > me to http://jyotishvidya .com/navamsa. htm. When I read the page on the > > navamsa at this site I realized I have no set of notes comprehensively > > covering the navamsa, only one to two jottings mainly directing me to > > sections covering the topic in some book or other. The information to be > > found at jyotishvidya. com has been most useful to me. I note too that > > you Mrs Wendy have added something on that site and, I think, on that > > subject. I have not had the chance to look at your comment yet but will > > do so shortly. > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Mrs. Wendy jyotishvidya@ > > > > > Jyotish-Vidya jyotish-vidya<jyotish-vidya% 40. com> > > > Wed, 27 January, 2010 10:13:27 > > > Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction > > > > > > > > > Dear Melissa, > > > > > > Many thanks for the effort you've put in to retrieve this information. > > ..much appreciated! > > > > > > ///The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable Nativities > > relate to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he uses is > > 25th December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 degrees > > 43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees 27 > > minutes./// > > > > > > Well, we can discount this one straight off as no-one on the face of > > this earth knows the actual date of Christ's birth, let alone the > > correct time. 25th December is simply the date chosen (for various > > reasons) to celebrate his birth. > > > > > > In the Gospel of Luke 2: 8 we're told: > > > **And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, > > keeping watch over their flock by night.** > > > > > > I doubt very much if this could be December as it's winter then in > > this part of the world. I would assume the above to point to spring when > > the lambs are born. > > > > > > As for the other examples given, is there any indication from where > > this data was sourced...any evidence on the validity of this data? > > Believe me, I'm not trying to pick fault; just need verification before > > I look at the charts. > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > http://JyotishVidya .com > > > > > > ============ ========= = > > > > > > Melissa Grove > > > Wednesday, 27 January 2010 4:34 PM > > > jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com > > > Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction > > > > > > Dear Mrs Wendy, Uttara ji and others, > > > > > > My intention was merely to show that astrologers such as B.V. Raman > > worked with aspects in the Navamsa chart. My position is similar to that > > expressed by C.S. Ravindramani in a recent post on the same subject: > > > > > > " I am not asking anybody here to follow what Raman says. I just bring > > to your notice that how he analyses a chart and and to show how > > different astrologers use the Navamsa chart. " > > > > > > However, since there is an interest in the horoscopes attached to the > > quotes I supplied, I am happy to oblige. > > > > > > The data for the charts I referred to is as follows: - > > > > > > The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable Nativities > > relate to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he uses is > > 25th December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 degrees > > 43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees 27 > > minutes. > > > > > > The remarks on page 62 to which I referred relate to the chart of the > > Emperor Nero. Data: 15th December 37 AD (O.S.) " at about 7.28 a.m. > > (Long. 12 degrees 46 minutes E., Lat. 41 degrees 29 minutes N.) " > > Ayanamsa +5 degrees 2 minutes. > > > > > > The quote from page 80 concerns the horoscope of Omar Khayyam. Data: > > 18th May 1048 AD (O.S.), 4.48 a.m. (L.M.T.). Lat. 36 degrees 13 minutes > > N., Long. 58 degrees 45 minute E. Ayanamsa 9 degrees 6 minutes. > > > > > > The quote from page 96 concerns the horoscope of Guru Nanak. Data: 8th > > November 1470 (O.S.) at midnight (L.M.T.), Lat. 31 degrees 39 minutes > > N., Long. 74 degrees 47 minutes E. Ayanamsa 15 degrees. > > > > > > I hope this is of some help. As I have said, there are many examples > > of Raman's use of aspects when interpreting the navamasa - such as that > > given to the group by C.S. Ravindramani concerning the navamsa of Albert > > Einstein. > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > ============ ========= ===== > > > > > > . > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > > signature database 4809 (20100127) __________ > > > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > > > http://www.eset. com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 It sounds illogical that 9th division (Nav-Amsa or degrees) of a 30 degrees of a sign of zodiac, which is a physical reality is addressed as imaginary? How it can be, such statements are made out of ignorance. Point of discussion should be assistance in predictability that Nav- Amsa offers, people should try to understand how rashi or lagna chart's implications are better and minutely revealed by Nav Amsa of a sign in question. How many of you trully studied implications of a chart in which a planet is in own sign or in exaltation but in it's Nav Amsa of debilitation or other similar cases. BV RAMAN's age was age of first awakening of vedic astrology, KN RAO's age was age of macro analysis, now astrology enters into next age of micro analysis. However, it's seen that some people have a tendency to defend their faulty understanding by misusing or misquoting either BV RAMAN OR KN RAO. Pls do micro study of planetary significations, it wd help you only, rest is your choice. All the best, Lalit Mishra jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote: > > Dear Gopi ji, > > //even this is also an imaginery position in the sky// > > You have got it wrong here. We are dealing with exact physical positions of > the planets using their longitudes with reference to the center of the > earth. These positions are not imaginary by any means! > > //As far as combustion is concerned if sun and mer are conjunct in D9 we > should certainly consider it as well.// > > Again this does not make sense! Do you know if any noted astrologer > following this!? > > //I think it is logical to consider aspects atleast in shadvargas// > > Please share your logical explanation. > > //But ultimately the proof of the pudding......// > > This is a tricky issue. With numerous parameters, numerous significations > and numerous interpretations one can justify anything using any chart. If > one is not careful and does not follow a well defined and consistent > approach, there are many traps that can swallow us. That is why Mrs. Wendy > is forcing students here to stick to one path shown by Parashara and not mix > up and get lost. Even if you want to deviate a bit, you should have done > good amount of experimentation with many charts before considering any small > deviation. > > Of course this is my personal opinion. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:58 PM, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > //The issue is that aspects are connected to physical positions of the > > > planets. // > > even this is also an imaginery position in the sky.(physical eye cant > > see).Ofcourse one may argue scientific eye could see.As you know the so > > called scientists(majority) say they dont believe in astrology!!As far > > as combustion is concerned if sun and mer are conjunct in D9 we should > > certainly consider it as well.Nodes are Shadow planets hence they are > > different.But there also the debate about aspects continues!!. > > Talking about logic my simple logic is as i mentioned earlier why not in > > vargas.But the aspects may get diluted when we go deeper into > > shastyamsa(D60).I think it is logical to consider aspects atleast in > > shadvargas like shadbalas.anyway logic is totally different from > > astrologic since it is beyond logic!!.. > > But ultimately the proof of the pudding...... > > Love and regards, > > gopi. > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > <kmurthys58@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gopi, > > > > > > The issue is that aspects are connected to physical positions of the > > > planets. Only Rasi chart shows the physical positions of the planets > > and not > > > any of the varga charts. It is like we consider a planet to be combust > > when > > > it is close to the Sun in Rasi chart. However, we don't consider a > > planet > > > to be combust in any of the varga charts. It is the same reason why > > there > > > is a debate on whether to consider aspects of nodes or not as nodes > > are not > > > physical planets and hence the question is - are they capable of > > casting > > > aspects like physical planets? > > > > > > It is true that the astrological community is divided over this issue > > of > > > considering aspects in varga charts. Those who consider the aspects > > state > > > that such practice comes from their tradition. However, they don't > > have a > > > logical explanation. Either they are wrong or the logical explanation > > has > > > been lost in the cracks of the oral parampara. While some others feel > > that > > > as there is no explicit mention in the texts of Parashara and others > > about > > > using of aspects in varga charts, and also as it does not look > > logical, it > > > is not correct to use aspects in varga charts. > > > > > > This is the dilemma. Hope I am clear. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:56 PM, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Melissa, > > > > i for one understand that aspects have to be considered if necessary > > in > > > > navamsa.Why not when they are considered from Rasi chart? > > > > -gopi. > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > > <jyotish-vidya%40>, > > > > > > Melissa Grove anglicus09@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mrs Wendy, > > > > > > > > > > Again, I hold the same position as C.S. Ravindramani does as > > stated in > > > > his post of earlier today: - > > > > > > > > > > " I wish to make it clear, my idea to post the quoting from his > > > > book earlier in the morning was restricted only to the usage of > > > > navamsa. " > > > > > > > > > > You and Uttara ji asked for the data pertaining to the charts that > > > > related to the quotes and observations cited from the book by B.V. > > > > Raman. This data has been supplied. If the intention is to discuss > > these > > > > horoscopes further, perhaps a new thread should be opened, for that > > > > moves away from the original post, which concerned interpretation of > > the > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > It is clear from the text of the book, 'Notable Nativities', that > > Dr > > > > Raman interpreted the navamsa by taking aspects, such as Jupiter's > > 5th, > > > > 7th and 9th aspects, into account. That was his modus operandi > > whether > > > > the chart details he was supplied with were accurate or inaccurate. > > I, > > > > like you, don't consider Dr Raman's horoscope of Jesus Christ to be > > > > correct. > > > > > > > > > > Dr Raman does give sources for the nativities in his book. Several > > of > > > > the earlier ones (those from BC) are speculative. > > > > > > > > > > I have not yet had the opportunity to read all of today's posts on > > the > > > > subject of the navamsa chart. But I look forward to doing so and > > > > learning from what other members of the group have to say on the > > matter. > > > > I am interested to see if others work as Dr Raman did or, if not, > > how > > > > they interpret the navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > I would like to take this opportunity to thank Uttara ji for > > pointing > > > > me to http://jyotishvidya .com/navamsa. htm. When I read the page on > > the > > > > navamsa at this site I realized I have no set of notes > > comprehensively > > > > covering the navamsa, only one to two jottings mainly directing me > > to > > > > sections covering the topic in some book or other. The information > > to be > > > > found at jyotishvidya.com has been most useful to me. I note too > > that > > > > you Mrs Wendy have added something on that site and, I think, on > > that > > > > subject. I have not had the chance to look at your comment yet but > > will > > > > do so shortly. > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > Mrs. Wendy jyotishvidya@ > > > > > > > > > Jyotish-Vidya > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > > <jyotish-vidya%40> > > > > > > > Wed, 27 January, 2010 10:13:27 > > > > > Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Melissa, > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks for the effort you've put in to retrieve this > > information. > > > > ..much appreciated! > > > > > > > > > > ///The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable > > Nativities > > > > relate to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he uses > > is > > > > 25th December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 > > degrees > > > > 43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees > > 27 > > > > minutes./// > > > > > > > > > > Well, we can discount this one straight off as no-one on the face > > of > > > > this earth knows the actual date of Christ's birth, let alone the > > > > correct time. 25th December is simply the date chosen (for various > > > > reasons) to celebrate his birth. > > > > > > > > > > In the Gospel of Luke 2: 8 we're told: > > > > > **And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the > > field, > > > > keeping watch over their flock by night.** > > > > > > > > > > I doubt very much if this could be December as it's winter then in > > > > this part of the world. I would assume the above to point to spring > > when > > > > the lambs are born. > > > > > > > > > > As for the other examples given, is there any indication from > > where > > > > this data was sourced...any evidence on the validity of this data? > > > > Believe me, I'm not trying to pick fault; just need verification > > before > > > > I look at the charts. > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > > http://JyotishVidya .com > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= = > > > > > > > > > > Melissa Grove > > > > > Wednesday, 27 January 2010 4:34 PM > > > > > jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com > > > > > Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mrs Wendy, Uttara ji and others, > > > > > > > > > > My intention was merely to show that astrologers such as B.V. > > Raman > > > > worked with aspects in the Navamsa chart. My position is similar to > > that > > > > expressed by C.S. Ravindramani in a recent post on the same subject: > > > > > > > > > > " I am not asking anybody here to follow what Raman says. I just > > bring > > > > to your notice that how he analyses a chart and and to show how > > > > different astrologers use the Navamsa chart. " > > > > > > > > > > However, since there is an interest in the horoscopes attached to > > the > > > > quotes I supplied, I am happy to oblige. > > > > > > > > > > The data for the charts I referred to is as follows: - > > > > > > > > > > The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable Nativities > > > > relate to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he uses > > is > > > > 25th December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 > > degrees > > > > 43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees > > 27 > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > The remarks on page 62 to which I referred relate to the chart of > > the > > > > Emperor Nero. Data: 15th December 37 AD (O.S.) " at about 7.28 a.m. > > > > (Long. 12 degrees 46 minutes E., Lat. 41 degrees 29 minutes N.) " > > > > Ayanamsa +5 degrees 2 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > The quote from page 80 concerns the horoscope of Omar Khayyam. > > Data: > > > > 18th May 1048 AD (O.S.), 4.48 a.m. (L.M.T.). Lat. 36 degrees 13 > > minutes > > > > N., Long. 58 degrees 45 minute E. Ayanamsa 9 degrees 6 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > The quote from page 96 concerns the horoscope of Guru Nanak. Data: > > 8th > > > > November 1470 (O.S.) at midnight (L.M.T.), Lat. 31 degrees 39 > > minutes > > > > N., Long. 74 degrees 47 minutes E. Ayanamsa 15 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > I hope this is of some help. As I have said, there are many > > examples > > > > of Raman's use of aspects when interpreting the navamasa - such as > > that > > > > given to the group by C.S. Ravindramani concerning the navamsa of > > Albert > > > > Einstein. > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ===== > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > > > > signature database 4809 (20100127) __________ > > > > > > > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.eset. com > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Dear Krishna, This is sound logic! I could not have said it any better myself... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ======================== Krishnamurthy Seetharama Wednesday, 27 January 2010 10:53 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction Dear Gopi, The issue is that aspects are connected to physical positions of the planets. Only Rasi chart shows the physical positions of the planets and not any of the varga charts. It is like we consider a planet to be combust when it is close to the Sun in Rasi chart. However, we don't consider a planet to be combust in any of the varga charts. It is the same reason why there is a debate on whether to consider aspects of nodes or not as nodes are not physical planets and hence the question is - are they capable of casting aspects like physical planets? It is true that the astrological community is divided over this issue of considering aspects in varga charts. Those who consider the aspects state that such practice comes from their tradition. However, they don't have a logical explanation. Either they are wrong or the logical explanation has been lost in the cracks of the oral parampara. While some others feel that as there is no explicit mention in the texts of Parashara and others about using of aspects in varga charts, and also as it does not look logical, it is not correct to use aspects in varga charts. This is the dilemma. Hope I am clear. Regards, Krishna ====================== .. __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4811 (20100127) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Dear Gopi, ///This logic itself is a tricky issue since it is conected with mind.!!! Logic is a quality of Mercury! As we see in the " The Process of Karma " http://www.jyotishvidya.com/karma.htm Mercury is the intellect or faculty of discrimination which connects the knower (self) with the known (mind)... Without doubt one may (even) be quite a successful astrologer, if certain conditions support this, in spite of the fact that Mercury might be hindered in some way i.e., combust, retrograde, conjunct a malefic etc.. However there will certainly be evidence of some weakness in regards to logic. Honest astrologers who understand intimately the significations of the grahas/bhavas and know how to interpret a horoscope objectively must surely see the truth of this for themselves... But, perhaps not, as this sort of objectivity/impartiality would require an unencumbered Mercury. The sages were profoundly aware when they referred to Mercury as 'the messenger of the gods'... more on this another time, hopefully. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ======================= gopalakrishna Thursday, 28 January 2010 12:35 AM jyotish-vidya Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction Dear Krishna ji, This logic itself is a tricky issue since it is conected with mind.!!!When i find it logical you may not find it so.Is it not?Hence astrological is beyond logic(of human mind).But even there human minds are looking /interpreting etc differently.B.V.Raman ji considered aspetc in navamsa and he did not go beyond navamsa.KNR ji considers asps for sure in vargas.Thats why i said proof of the pudding...... I have done experimentation but did not conclude since astrology is an ocean and experimentation goes on.... This is also my personal opinion for sure and at the sametime i am not dogmatic....Even sages of yore have differences as you know. Love and regards, gopi. ========================== .. __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4811 (20100127) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Dear Lalit, ///It sounds illogical that 9th division (Nav-Amsa or degrees) of a 30 degrees of a sign of zodiac, which is a physical reality is addressed as imaginary? How it can be, such statements are made out of ignorance./// Like everyone here you're certainly entitled to an opinion. However to condemn the opinion of others in such an authoritive manner, dismissing their opinion as ignorance, is extremely arrogant. ///Point of discussion should be assistance in predictability that Nav- Amsa offers, people should try to understand how rashi or lagna chart's implications are better and minutely revealed by Nav Amsa of a sign in question./// You're in no position to dictate what the point of discussion should be here, Lalit! ///How many of you trully studied implications of a chart in which a planet is in own sign or in exaltation but in it's Nav Amsa of debilitation or other similar cases./// Having been a member of this group since 2007 you should know full-well that these points have been discussed frequently on JV. It's a great mistake to make assumptions about what others have or have not studied...such assumptions ARE most certainly made out of ignorance. ///However, it's seen that some people have a tendency to defend their faulty understanding by misusing or misquoting either BV RAMAN OR KN RAO./// I'm quite sure there isn't anyone here who doubts the service these two souls have given to jyotish...myself included! However, like all astrologers, neither of them are infallible. You need to be mindful of the fact that JyotishVidya is a discussion group based on the principles of Parashara...not the principles of B.V. Raman or K.N. Rao. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com =========================== litsol Thursday, 28 January 2010 1:36 AM jyotish-vidya Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction It sounds illogical that 9th division (Nav-Amsa or degrees) of a 30 degrees of a sign of zodiac, which is a physical reality is addressed as imaginary? How it can be, such statements are made out of ignorance. Point of discussion should be assistance in predictability that Nav- Amsa offers, people should try to understand how rashi or lagna chart's implications are better and minutely revealed by Nav Amsa of a sign in question. How many of you trully studied implications of a chart in which a planet is in own sign or in exaltation but in it's Nav Amsa of debilitation or other similar cases. BV RAMAN's age was age of first awakening of vedic astrology, KN RAO's age was age of macro analysis, now astrology enters into next age of micro analysis. However, it's seen that some people have a tendency to defend their faulty understanding by misusing or misquoting either BV RAMAN OR KN RAO. Pls do micro study of planetary significations, it wd help you only, rest is your choice. All the best, Lalit Mishra ======================== .. __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4811 (20100127) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Dear Mrs. Wendy, I agree wholeheartedly. Thank you for you response. No one could of said it better. JV is unique in its quality of discussion! As Always, Uttara jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote: > > Dear Lalit, > > ///It sounds illogical that 9th division (Nav-Amsa or degrees) of a 30 degrees of a sign of zodiac, which is a physical reality is addressed as imaginary? How it can be, such statements are made out of ignorance./// > > Like everyone here you're certainly entitled to an opinion. However to condemn the opinion of others in such an authoritive manner, dismissing their opinion as ignorance, is extremely arrogant. > > ///Point of discussion should be assistance in predictability that Nav- Amsa offers, people should try to understand how rashi or lagna chart's implications are better and minutely revealed by Nav Amsa of a sign in question./// > > You're in no position to dictate what the point of discussion should be here, Lalit! > > ///How many of you trully studied implications of a chart in which a planet is in own sign or in exaltation but in it's Nav Amsa of debilitation or other similar cases./// > > Having been a member of this group since 2007 you should know full-well that these points have been discussed frequently on JV. It's a great mistake to make assumptions about what others have or have not studied...such assumptions ARE most certainly made out of ignorance. > > ///However, it's seen that some people have a tendency to defend their faulty understanding by misusing or misquoting either BV RAMAN OR KN RAO./// > > I'm quite sure there isn't anyone here who doubts the service these two souls have given to jyotish...myself included! However, like all astrologers, neither of them are infallible. > You need to be mindful of the fact that JyotishVidya is a discussion group based on the principles of Parashara...not the principles of B.V. Raman or K.N. Rao. > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > > =========================== > > > litsol > Thursday, 28 January 2010 1:36 AM > jyotish-vidya > Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction > > > > It sounds illogical that 9th division (Nav-Amsa or degrees) of a 30 degrees of a sign of zodiac, which is a physical reality is addressed as imaginary? How it can be, such statements are made out of ignorance. > > Point of discussion should be assistance in predictability that Nav- Amsa offers, people should try to understand how rashi or lagna chart's implications are better and minutely revealed by Nav Amsa of a sign in question. > > How many of you trully studied implications of a chart in which a planet is in own sign or in exaltation but in it's Nav Amsa of debilitation or other similar cases. > > BV RAMAN's age was age of first awakening of vedic astrology, KN RAO's age was age of macro analysis, now astrology enters into next age of micro analysis. > > However, it's seen that some people have a tendency to defend their faulty understanding by misusing or misquoting either BV RAMAN OR KN RAO. > > Pls do micro study of planetary significations, it wd help you only, rest is your choice. > > All the best, > Lalit Mishra > > ======================== > > > > > > . > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4811 (20100127) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Dear Gopi ji, //This logic itself is a tricky issue since it is conected with mind.!!!// I have a different take on logic. Logic is a reasoning system to verify something, that uses the body of available knowledge/belief. The efficacy of the logic depends on the level correctness of the knowledge or belief systems available at any point in time. There were times when it was logically concluded that the Sun goes around earth or the earth is flat etc. However as knowledge expands, logic becomes more effective. To explain the above in terms of astrology - Mercury, the lord of logic depends on Jupiter the lord of knowledge. If Jupiter is weak, and Mercury is strong, one might very well put forward lot of logical statements but that might not be based on sound knowledge. Regards, Krishna On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:05 PM, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote: > > > Dear Krishna ji, > This logic itself is a tricky issue since it is conected with > mind.!!!When i find it logical you may not find it so.Is it not?Hence > astrological is beyond logic(of human mind).But even there human minds > are looking /interpreting etc differently.B.V.Raman ji considered aspetc > in navamsa and he did not go beyond navamsa.KNR ji considers asps for > sure in vargas.Thats why i said proof of the pudding...... > I have done experimentation but did not conclude since astrology is an > ocean and experimentation goes on.... > This is also my personal opinion for sure and at the sametime i am not > dogmatic....Even sages of yore have differences as you know. > > Love and regards, > gopi. > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > <kmurthys58 wrote: > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > //even this is also an imaginery position in the sky// > > > > You have got it wrong here. We are dealing with exact physical > positions of > > the planets using their longitudes with reference to the center of the > > earth. These positions are not imaginary by any means! > > > > //As far as combustion is concerned if sun and mer are conjunct in D9 > we > > should certainly consider it as well.// > > > > Again this does not make sense! Do you know if any noted astrologer > > following this!? > > > > //I think it is logical to consider aspects atleast in shadvargas// > > > > Please share your logical explanation. > > > > //But ultimately the proof of the pudding......// > > > > This is a tricky issue. With numerous parameters, numerous > significations > > and numerous interpretations one can justify anything using any chart. > If > > one is not careful and does not follow a well defined and consistent > > approach, there are many traps that can swallow us. That is why Mrs. > Wendy > > is forcing students here to stick to one path shown by Parashara and > not mix > > up and get lost. Even if you want to deviate a bit, you should have > done > > good amount of experimentation with many charts before considering any > small > > deviation. > > > > Of course this is my personal opinion. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:58 PM, gopalakrishna gopi_b927 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > //The issue is that aspects are connected to physical positions of > the > > > > planets. // > > > even this is also an imaginery position in the sky.(physical eye > cant > > > see).Ofcourse one may argue scientific eye could see.As you know the > so > > > called scientists(majority) say they dont believe in astrology!!As > far > > > as combustion is concerned if sun and mer are conjunct in D9 we > should > > > certainly consider it as well.Nodes are Shadow planets hence they > are > > > different.But there also the debate about aspects continues!!. > > > Talking about logic my simple logic is as i mentioned earlier why > not in > > > vargas.But the aspects may get diluted when we go deeper into > > > shastyamsa(D60).I think it is logical to consider aspects atleast in > > > shadvargas like shadbalas.anyway logic is totally different from > > > astrologic since it is beyond logic!!.. > > > But ultimately the proof of the pudding...... > > > Love and regards, > > > gopi. > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > <jyotish-vidya%40>, > > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > kmurthys58@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi, > > > > > > > > The issue is that aspects are connected to physical positions of > the > > > > planets. Only Rasi chart shows the physical positions of the > planets > > > and not > > > > any of the varga charts. It is like we consider a planet to be > combust > > > when > > > > it is close to the Sun in Rasi chart. However, we don't consider a > > > planet > > > > to be combust in any of the varga charts. It is the same reason > why > > > there > > > > is a debate on whether to consider aspects of nodes or not as > nodes > > > are not > > > > physical planets and hence the question is - are they capable of > > > casting > > > > aspects like physical planets? > > > > > > > > It is true that the astrological community is divided over this > issue > > > of > > > > considering aspects in varga charts. Those who consider the > aspects > > > state > > > > that such practice comes from their tradition. However, they don't > > > have a > > > > logical explanation. Either they are wrong or the logical > explanation > > > has > > > > been lost in the cracks of the oral parampara. While some others > feel > > > that > > > > as there is no explicit mention in the texts of Parashara and > others > > > about > > > > using of aspects in varga charts, and also as it does not look > > > logical, it > > > > is not correct to use aspects in varga charts. > > > > > > > > This is the dilemma. Hope I am clear. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:56 PM, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Melissa, > > > > > i for one understand that aspects have to be considered if > necessary > > > in > > > > > navamsa.Why not when they are considered from Rasi chart? > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > <jyotish-vidya%40> > > > <jyotish-vidya%40>, > > > > > > > > Melissa Grove anglicus09@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mrs Wendy, > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, I hold the same position as C.S. Ravindramani does as > > > stated in > > > > > his post of earlier today: - > > > > > > > > > > > > " I wish to make it clear, my idea to post the quoting from his > > > > > book earlier in the morning was restricted only to the usage of > > > > > navamsa. " > > > > > > > > > > > > You and Uttara ji asked for the data pertaining to the charts > that > > > > > related to the quotes and observations cited from the book by > B.V. > > > > > Raman. This data has been supplied. If the intention is to > discuss > > > these > > > > > horoscopes further, perhaps a new thread should be opened, for > that > > > > > moves away from the original post, which concerned > interpretation of > > > the > > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is clear from the text of the book, 'Notable Nativities', > that > > > Dr > > > > > Raman interpreted the navamsa by taking aspects, such as > Jupiter's > > > 5th, > > > > > 7th and 9th aspects, into account. That was his modus operandi > > > whether > > > > > the chart details he was supplied with were accurate or > inaccurate. > > > I, > > > > > like you, don't consider Dr Raman's horoscope of Jesus Christ to > be > > > > > correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr Raman does give sources for the nativities in his book. > Several > > > of > > > > > the earlier ones (those from BC) are speculative. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not yet had the opportunity to read all of today's > posts on > > > the > > > > > subject of the navamsa chart. But I look forward to doing so and > > > > > learning from what other members of the group have to say on the > > > matter. > > > > > I am interested to see if others work as Dr Raman did or, if > not, > > > how > > > > > they interpret the navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to take this opportunity to thank Uttara ji for > > > pointing > > > > > me to http://jyotishvidya .com/navamsa. htm. When I read the > page on > > > the > > > > > navamsa at this site I realized I have no set of notes > > > comprehensively > > > > > covering the navamsa, only one to two jottings mainly directing > me > > > to > > > > > sections covering the topic in some book or other. The > information > > > to be > > > > > found at jyotishvidya.com has been most useful to me. I note too > > > that > > > > > you Mrs Wendy have added something on that site and, I think, on > > > that > > > > > subject. I have not had the chance to look at your comment yet > but > > > will > > > > > do so shortly. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy jyotishvidya@ > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish-Vidya > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya% > 40> > > > <jyotish-vidya%40> > > > > > > > > > Wed, 27 January, 2010 10:13:27 > > > > > > Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage > Prediction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Melissa, > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks for the effort you've put in to retrieve this > > > information. > > > > > ..much appreciated! > > > > > > > > > > > > ///The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable > > > Nativities > > > > > relate to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he > uses > > > is > > > > > 25th December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 > > > degrees > > > > > 43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 > degrees > > > 27 > > > > > minutes./// > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, we can discount this one straight off as no-one on the > face > > > of > > > > > this earth knows the actual date of Christ's birth, let alone > the > > > > > correct time. 25th December is simply the date chosen (for > various > > > > > reasons) to celebrate his birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Gospel of Luke 2: 8 we're told: > > > > > > **And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the > > > field, > > > > > keeping watch over their flock by night.** > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt very much if this could be December as it's winter > then in > > > > > this part of the world. I would assume the above to point to > spring > > > when > > > > > the lambs are born. > > > > > > > > > > > > As for the other examples given, is there any indication from > > > where > > > > > this data was sourced...any evidence on the validity of this > data? > > > > > Believe me, I'm not trying to pick fault; just need verification > > > before > > > > > I look at the charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya .com > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= = > > > > > > > > > > > > Melissa Grove > > > > > > Wednesday, 27 January 2010 4:34 PM > > > > > > jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com > > > > > > Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mrs Wendy, Uttara ji and others, > > > > > > > > > > > > My intention was merely to show that astrologers such as B.V. > > > Raman > > > > > worked with aspects in the Navamsa chart. My position is similar > to > > > that > > > > > expressed by C.S. Ravindramani in a recent post on the same > subject: > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am not asking anybody here to follow what Raman says. I > just > > > bring > > > > > to your notice that how he analyses a chart and and to show how > > > > > different astrologers use the Navamsa chart. " > > > > > > > > > > > > However, since there is an interest in the horoscopes attached > to > > > the > > > > > quotes I supplied, I am happy to oblige. > > > > > > > > > > > > The data for the charts I referred to is as follows: - > > > > > > > > > > > > The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable > Nativities > > > > > relate to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he > uses > > > is > > > > > 25th December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 > > > degrees > > > > > 43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 > degrees > > > 27 > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > The remarks on page 62 to which I referred relate to the chart > of > > > the > > > > > Emperor Nero. Data: 15th December 37 AD (O.S.) " at about 7.28 > a.m. > > > > > (Long. 12 degrees 46 minutes E., Lat. 41 degrees 29 minutes N.) " > > > > > Ayanamsa +5 degrees 2 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > The quote from page 80 concerns the horoscope of Omar Khayyam. > > > Data: > > > > > 18th May 1048 AD (O.S.), 4.48 a.m. (L.M.T.). Lat. 36 degrees 13 > > > minutes > > > > > N., Long. 58 degrees 45 minute E. Ayanamsa 9 degrees 6 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > The quote from page 96 concerns the horoscope of Guru Nanak. > Data: > > > 8th > > > > > November 1470 (O.S.) at midnight (L.M.T.), Lat. 31 degrees 39 > > > minutes > > > > > N., Long. 74 degrees 47 minutes E. Ayanamsa 15 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this is of some help. As I have said, there are many > > > examples > > > > > of Raman's use of aspects when interpreting the navamasa - such > as > > > that > > > > > given to the group by C.S. Ravindramani concerning the navamsa > of > > > Albert > > > > > Einstein. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of > virus > > > > > signature database 4809 (20100127) __________ > > > > > > > > > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.eset. com > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Thanks Mrs. Wendy! Regards, Krishna On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:49 AM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidyawrote: > > > Dear Krishna, > > This is sound logic! I could not have said it any better myself... > > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > > ======================== > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > Wednesday, 27 January 2010 10:53 PM > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > Re: Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction > > > Dear Gopi, > > The issue is that aspects are connected to physical positions of the > planets. Only Rasi chart shows the physical positions of the planets and > not > any of the varga charts. It is like we consider a planet to be combust when > it is close to the Sun in Rasi chart. However, we don't consider a planet > to be combust in any of the varga charts. It is the same reason why there > is a debate on whether to consider aspects of nodes or not as nodes are not > physical planets and hence the question is - are they capable of casting > aspects like physical planets? > > It is true that the astrological community is divided over this issue of > considering aspects in varga charts. Those who consider the aspects state > that such practice comes from their tradition. However, they don't have a > logical explanation. Either they are wrong or the logical explanation has > been lost in the cracks of the oral parampara. While some others feel that > as there is no explicit mention in the texts of Parashara and others about > using of aspects in varga charts, and also as it does not look logical, it > is not correct to use aspects in varga charts. > > This is the dilemma. Hope I am clear. > > Regards, > Krishna > > ====================== > > . > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 4811 (20100127) __________ > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Well said Mrs. Wendy! Regards, Krishna On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidyawrote: > > > Dear Lalit, > > ///It sounds illogical that 9th division (Nav-Amsa or degrees) of a 30 > degrees of a sign of zodiac, which is a physical reality is addressed as > imaginary? How it can be, such statements are made out of ignorance./// > > Like everyone here you're certainly entitled to an opinion. However to > condemn the opinion of others in such an authoritive manner, dismissing > their opinion as ignorance, is extremely arrogant. > > ///Point of discussion should be assistance in predictability that Nav- > Amsa offers, people should try to understand how rashi or lagna chart's > implications are better and minutely revealed by Nav Amsa of a sign in > question./// > > You're in no position to dictate what the point of discussion should be > here, Lalit! > > ///How many of you trully studied implications of a chart in which a planet > is in own sign or in exaltation but in it's Nav Amsa of debilitation or > other similar cases./// > > Having been a member of this group since 2007 you should know full-well > that these points have been discussed frequently on JV. It's a great mistake > to make assumptions about what others have or have not studied...such > assumptions ARE most certainly made out of ignorance. > > ///However, it's seen that some people have a tendency to defend their > faulty understanding by misusing or misquoting either BV RAMAN OR KN RAO./// > > I'm quite sure there isn't anyone here who doubts the service these two > souls have given to jyotish...myself included! However, like all > astrologers, neither of them are infallible. > You need to be mindful of the fact that JyotishVidya is a discussion group > based on the principles of Parashara...not the principles of B.V. Raman or > K.N. Rao. > > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > > =========================== > > litsol > Thursday, 28 January 2010 1:36 AM > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction > > It sounds illogical that 9th division (Nav-Amsa or degrees) of a 30 degrees > of a sign of zodiac, which is a physical reality is addressed as imaginary? > How it can be, such statements are made out of ignorance. > > Point of discussion should be assistance in predictability that Nav- Amsa > offers, people should try to understand how rashi or lagna chart's > implications are better and minutely revealed by Nav Amsa of a sign in > question. > > How many of you trully studied implications of a chart in which a planet is > in own sign or in exaltation but in it's Nav Amsa of debilitation or other > similar cases. > > BV RAMAN's age was age of first awakening of vedic astrology, KN RAO's age > was age of macro analysis, now astrology enters into next age of micro > analysis. > > However, it's seen that some people have a tendency to defend their faulty > understanding by misusing or misquoting either BV RAMAN OR KN RAO. > > Pls do micro study of planetary significations, it wd help you only, rest > is your choice. > > All the best, > Lalit Mishra > > ======================== > > . > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 4811 (20100127) __________ > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Friends, Oh !well cited. Beyond doubt logic without Knowledge is hollow//Mercury, the lord of logic depends on Jupiter the lord of knowledge// Mercury dual nature needs jupiter,a teacher to impart knowledge. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services( For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote: > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 > Re: Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction > jyotish-vidya > Thursday, January 28, 2010, 12:14 AM > Dear Gopi ji, > > //This logic itself is a tricky issue since it is conected > with mind.!!!// > > I have a different take on logic. Logic is a reasoning > system to verify > something, that uses the body of available > knowledge/belief. The efficacy of > the logic depends on the level correctness of the knowledge > or belief > systems available at any point in time. There were times > when it was > logically concluded that the Sun goes around earth or the > earth is flat etc. > However as knowledge expands, logic becomes more > effective. > > To explain the above in terms of astrology - Mercury, the > lord of logic > depends on Jupiter the lord of knowledge. If Jupiter is > weak, and Mercury is > strong, one might very well put forward lot of logical > statements but that > might not be based on sound knowledge. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:05 PM, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > This logic itself is a tricky issue since it is > conected with > > mind.!!!When i find it logical you may not find it > so.Is it not?Hence > > astrological is beyond logic(of human mind).But even > there human minds > > are looking /interpreting etc differently.B.V.Raman ji > considered aspetc > > in navamsa and he did not go beyond navamsa.KNR ji > considers asps for > > sure in vargas.Thats why i said proof of the > pudding...... > > I have done experimentation but did not conclude since > astrology is an > > ocean and experimentation goes on.... > > This is also my personal opinion for sure and at the > sametime i am not > > dogmatic....Even sages of yore have differences as you > know. > > > > Love and regards, > > gopi. > > jyotish-vidya > <jyotish-vidya%40>, > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > <kmurthys58 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > > > //even this is also an imaginery position in the > sky// > > > > > > You have got it wrong here. We are dealing with > exact physical > > positions of > > > the planets using their longitudes with reference > to the center of the > > > earth. These positions are not imaginary by any > means! > > > > > > //As far as combustion is concerned if sun and > mer are conjunct in D9 > > we > > > should certainly consider it as well.// > > > > > > Again this does not make sense! Do you know if > any noted astrologer > > > following this!? > > > > > > //I think it is logical to consider aspects > atleast in shadvargas// > > > > > > Please share your logical explanation. > > > > > > //But ultimately the proof of the > pudding......// > > > > > > This is a tricky issue. With numerous parameters, > numerous > > significations > > > and numerous interpretations one can justify > anything using any chart. > > If > > > one is not careful and does not follow a well > defined and consistent > > > approach, there are many traps that can swallow > us. That is why Mrs. > > Wendy > > > is forcing students here to stick to one path > shown by Parashara and > > not mix > > > up and get lost. Even if you want to deviate a > bit, you should have > > done > > > good amount of experimentation with many charts > before considering any > > small > > > deviation. > > > > > > Of course this is my personal opinion. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:58 PM, gopalakrishna > gopi_b927 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > //The issue is that aspects are connected to > physical positions of > > the > > > > > planets. // > > > > even this is also an imaginery position in > the sky.(physical eye > > cant > > > > see)..Ofcourse one may argue scientific eye > could see.As you know the > > so > > > > called scientists(majority) say they dont > believe in astrology!!As > > far > > > > as combustion is concerned if sun and mer > are conjunct in D9 we > > should > > > > certainly consider it as well.Nodes are > Shadow planets hence they > > are > > > > different.But there also the debate about > aspects continues!!. > > > > Talking about logic my simple logic is as i > mentioned earlier why > > not in > > > > vargas.But the aspects may get diluted when > we go deeper into > > > > shastyamsa(D60).I think it is logical to > consider aspects atleast in > > > > shadvargas like shadbalas.anyway logic is > totally different from > > > > astrologic since it is beyond logic!!.. > > > > But ultimately the proof of the > pudding...... > > > > Love and regards, > > > > gopi. > > > > jyotish-vidya > <jyotish-vidya%40> > > <jyotish-vidya%40>, > > > > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > > > kmurthys58@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi, > > > > > > > > > > The issue is that aspects are connected > to physical positions of > > the > > > > > planets.. Only Rasi chart shows the > physical positions of the > > planets > > > > and not > > > > > any of the varga charts. It is like we > consider a planet to be > > combust > > > > when > > > > > it is close to the Sun in Rasi chart. > However, we don't consider a > > > > planet > > > > > to be combust in any of the varga > charts. It is the same reason > > why > > > > there > > > > > is a debate on whether to consider > aspects of nodes or not as > > nodes > > > > are not > > > > > physical planets and hence the question > is - are they capable of > > > > casting > > > > > aspects like physical planets? > > > > > > > > > > It is true that the astrological > community is divided over this > > issue > > > > of > > > > > considering aspects in varga charts. > Those who consider the > > aspects > > > > state > > > > > that such practice comes from their > tradition. However, they don't > > > > have a > > > > > logical explanation. Either they are > wrong or the logical > > explanation > > > > has > > > > > been lost in the cracks of the oral > parampara. While some others > > feel > > > > that > > > > > as there is no explicit mention in the > texts of Parashara and > > others > > > > about > > > > > using of aspects in varga charts, and > also as it does not look > > > > logical, it > > > > > is not correct to use aspects in varga > charts. > > > > > > > > > > This is the dilemma. Hope I am clear. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:56 PM, > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Melissa, > > > > > > i for one understand that aspects > have to be considered if > > necessary > > > > in > > > > > > navamsa.Why not when they are > considered from Rasi chart? > > > > > > -gopi.. > > > > > > --- In jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > > <jyotish-vidya%40> > > > > <jyotish-vidya%40>, > > > > > > > > > > Melissa Grove anglicus09@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mrs Wendy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, I hold the same > position as C.S. Ravindramani does as > > > > stated in > > > > > > his post of earlier today: - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I wish to make it clear, my > idea to post the quoting from his > > > > > > book earlier in the morning was > restricted only to the usage of > > > > > > navamsa. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You and Uttara ji asked for > the data pertaining to the charts > > that > > > > > > related to the quotes and > observations cited from the book by > > B.V. > > > > > > Raman. This data has been > supplied. If the intention is to > > discuss > > > > these > > > > > > horoscopes further, perhaps a new > thread should be opened, for > > that > > > > > > moves away from the original post, > which concerned > > interpretation of > > > > the > > > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is clear from the text of > the book, 'Notable Nativities', > > that > > > > Dr > > > > > > Raman interpreted the navamsa by > taking aspects, such as > > Jupiter's > > > > 5th, > > > > > > 7th and 9th aspects, into account. > That was his modus operandi > > > > whether > > > > > > the chart details he was supplied > with were accurate or > > inaccurate. > > > > I, > > > > > > like you, don't consider Dr > Raman's horoscope of Jesus Christ to > > be > > > > > > correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr Raman does give sources > for the nativities in his book. > > Several > > > > of > > > > > > the earlier ones (those from BC) > are speculative. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not yet had the > opportunity to read all of today's > > posts on > > > > the > > > > > > subject of the navamsa chart. But > I look forward to doing so and > > > > > > learning from what other members > of the group have to say on the > > > > matter. > > > > > > I am interested to see if others > work as Dr Raman did or, if > > not, > > > > how > > > > > > they interpret the navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to take this > opportunity to thank Uttara ji for > > > > pointing > > > > > > me to http://jyotishvidya .com/navamsa. htm. When I read the > > page on > > > > the > > > > > > navamsa at this site I realized I > have no set of notes > > > > comprehensively > > > > > > covering the navamsa, only one to > two jottings mainly directing > > me > > > > to > > > > > > sections covering the topic in > some book or other. The > > information > > > > to be > > > > > > found at jyotishvidya.com has been > most useful to me. I note too > > > > that > > > > > > you Mrs Wendy have added something > on that site and, I think, on > > > > that > > > > > > subject. I have not had the chance > to look at your comment yet > > but > > > > will > > > > > > do so shortly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy > jyotishvidya@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish-Vidya > > > > jyotish-vidya > <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya% > > 40> > > > > <jyotish-vidya%40> > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 27 January, 2010 > 10:13:27 > > > > > > > Re: > Using Navamsa for Marriage > > Prediction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Melissa, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks for the effort > you've put in to retrieve this > > > > information. > > > > > > ..much appreciated! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ///The quotes I submitted > from pages 55 and 56 of Notable > > > > Nativities > > > > > > relate to the B.V. Raman's chart > for Jesus Christ.. The data he > > uses > > > > is > > > > > > 25th December, 7 BC, " at about > 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 > > > > degrees > > > > > > 43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 > minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 > > degrees > > > > 27 > > > > > > minutes./// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, we can discount this > one straight off as no-one on the > > face > > > > of > > > > > > this earth knows the actual date > of Christ's birth, let alone > > the > > > > > > correct time. 25th December is > simply the date chosen (for > > various > > > > > > reasons) to celebrate his birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Gospel of Luke 2: 8 > we're told: > > > > > > > **And there were in the same > country shepherds abiding in the > > > > field, > > > > > > keeping watch over their flock by > night.** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt very much if this > could be December as it's winter > > then in > > > > > > this part of the world. I would > assume the above to point to > > spring > > > > when > > > > > > the lambs are born. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for the other examples > given, is there any indication from > > > > where > > > > > > this data was sourced...any > evidence on the validity of this > > data? > > > > > > Believe me, I'm not trying to pick > fault; just need verification > > > > before > > > > > > I look at the charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melissa Grove > > > > > > > Wednesday, 27 January > 2010 4:34 PM > > > > > > > jyotishvidya@ > bigpond.com > > > > > > > Re: Using Navamsa > for Marriage Prediction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mrs Wendy, Uttara ji and > others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My intention was merely to > show that astrologers such as B.V. > > > > Raman > > > > > > worked with aspects in the Navamsa > chart. My position is similar > > to > > > > that > > > > > > expressed by C.S. Ravindramani in > a recent post on the same > > subject: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am not asking anybody here > to follow what Raman says. I > > just > > > > bring > > > > > > to your notice that how he > analyses a chart and and to show how > > > > > > different astrologers use the > Navamsa chart. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, since there is an > interest in the horoscopes attached > > to > > > > the > > > > > > quotes I supplied, I am happy to > oblige. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The data for the charts I > referred to is as follows: - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The quotes I submitted from > pages 55 and 56 of Notable > > Nativities > > > > > > relate to the B.V. Raman's chart > for Jesus Christ. The data he > > uses > > > > is > > > > > > 25th December, 7 BC, " at about > 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 > > > > degrees > > > > > > 43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 > minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 > > degrees > > > > 27 > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The remarks on page 62 to > which I referred relate to the chart > > of > > > > the > > > > > > Emperor Nero. Data: 15th December > 37 AD (O.S.) " at about 7.28 > > a.m. > > > > > > (Long. 12 degrees 46 minutes E., > Lat. 41 degrees 29 minutes N.) " > > > > > > Ayanamsa +5 degrees 2 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The quote from page 80 > concerns the horoscope of Omar Khayyam. > > > > Data: > > > > > > 18th May 1048 AD (O.S.), 4.48 a.m. > (L.M.T.). Lat. 36 degrees 13 > > > > minutes > > > > > > N., Long. 58 degrees 45 minute E. > Ayanamsa 9 degrees 6 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The quote from page 96 > concerns the horoscope of Guru Nanak. > > Data: > > > > 8th > > > > > > November 1470 (O.S.) at midnight > (L.M.T.), Lat. 31 degrees 39 > > > > minutes > > > > > > N., Long. 74 degrees 47 minutes E. > Ayanamsa 15 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this is of some help. > As I have said, there are many > > > > examples > > > > > > of Raman's use of aspects when > interpreting the navamasa - such > > as > > > > that > > > > > > given to the group by C.S. > Ravindramani concerning the navamsa > > of > > > > Albert > > > > > > Einstein. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from > ESET Smart Security, version of > > virus > > > > > > signature database 4809 (20100127) > __________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The message was checked by > ESET Smart Security. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.eset. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this > message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this > message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Dear Krishna ji, While agreeing with you mostly i would like to state that when logic could not give answers/solve problems etc we look for higher forms of faculty and astrologic is certainly a higher form is all i wanted to say.That's why it is conected to intuition aswell.Hope we all agree intuition is a higher faculty than logic.Sorry if i have made any remarks which might have hurt other's opinion(s)...... Love and regards, gopi. jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote: > > Dear Gopi ji, > > //This logic itself is a tricky issue since it is conected with mind.!!!// > > I have a different take on logic. Logic is a reasoning system to verify > something, that uses the body of available knowledge/belief. The efficacy of > the logic depends on the level correctness of the knowledge or belief > systems available at any point in time. There were times when it was > logically concluded that the Sun goes around earth or the earth is flat etc. > However as knowledge expands, logic becomes more effective. > > To explain the above in terms of astrology - Mercury, the lord of logic > depends on Jupiter the lord of knowledge. If Jupiter is weak, and Mercury is > strong, one might very well put forward lot of logical statements but that > might not be based on sound knowledge. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:05 PM, gopalakrishna gopi_b927 wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > This logic itself is a tricky issue since it is conected with > > mind.!!!When i find it logical you may not find it so.Is it not?Hence > > astrological is beyond logic(of human mind).But even there human minds > > are looking /interpreting etc differently.B.V.Raman ji considered aspetc > > in navamsa and he did not go beyond navamsa.KNR ji considers asps for > > sure in vargas.Thats why i said proof of the pudding...... > > I have done experimentation but did not conclude since astrology is an > > ocean and experimentation goes on.... > > This is also my personal opinion for sure and at the sametime i am not > > dogmatic....Even sages of yore have differences as you know. > > > > Love and regards, > > gopi. > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > kmurthys58@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > > > //even this is also an imaginery position in the sky// > > > > > > You have got it wrong here. We are dealing with exact physical > > positions of > > > the planets using their longitudes with reference to the center of the > > > earth. These positions are not imaginary by any means! > > > > > > //As far as combustion is concerned if sun and mer are conjunct in D9 > > we > > > should certainly consider it as well.// > > > > > > Again this does not make sense! Do you know if any noted astrologer > > > following this!? > > > > > > //I think it is logical to consider aspects atleast in shadvargas// > > > > > > Please share your logical explanation. > > > > > > //But ultimately the proof of the pudding......// > > > > > > This is a tricky issue. With numerous parameters, numerous > > significations > > > and numerous interpretations one can justify anything using any chart. > > If > > > one is not careful and does not follow a well defined and consistent > > > approach, there are many traps that can swallow us. That is why Mrs. > > Wendy > > > is forcing students here to stick to one path shown by Parashara and > > not mix > > > up and get lost. Even if you want to deviate a bit, you should have > > done > > > good amount of experimentation with many charts before considering any > > small > > > deviation. > > > > > > Of course this is my personal opinion. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:58 PM, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > > //The issue is that aspects are connected to physical positions of > > the > > > > > planets. // > > > > even this is also an imaginery position in the sky.(physical eye > > cant > > > > see).Ofcourse one may argue scientific eye could see.As you know the > > so > > > > called scientists(majority) say they dont believe in astrology!!As > > far > > > > as combustion is concerned if sun and mer are conjunct in D9 we > > should > > > > certainly consider it as well.Nodes are Shadow planets hence they > > are > > > > different.But there also the debate about aspects continues!!. > > > > Talking about logic my simple logic is as i mentioned earlier why > > not in > > > > vargas.But the aspects may get diluted when we go deeper into > > > > shastyamsa(D60).I think it is logical to consider aspects atleast in > > > > shadvargas like shadbalas.anyway logic is totally different from > > > > astrologic since it is beyond logic!!.. > > > > But ultimately the proof of the pudding...... > > > > Love and regards, > > > > gopi. > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > > <jyotish-vidya%40>, > > > > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > > > kmurthys58@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi, > > > > > > > > > > The issue is that aspects are connected to physical positions of > > the > > > > > planets. Only Rasi chart shows the physical positions of the > > planets > > > > and not > > > > > any of the varga charts. It is like we consider a planet to be > > combust > > > > when > > > > > it is close to the Sun in Rasi chart. However, we don't consider a > > > > planet > > > > > to be combust in any of the varga charts. It is the same reason > > why > > > > there > > > > > is a debate on whether to consider aspects of nodes or not as > > nodes > > > > are not > > > > > physical planets and hence the question is - are they capable of > > > > casting > > > > > aspects like physical planets? > > > > > > > > > > It is true that the astrological community is divided over this > > issue > > > > of > > > > > considering aspects in varga charts. Those who consider the > > aspects > > > > state > > > > > that such practice comes from their tradition. However, they don't > > > > have a > > > > > logical explanation. Either they are wrong or the logical > > explanation > > > > has > > > > > been lost in the cracks of the oral parampara. While some others > > feel > > > > that > > > > > as there is no explicit mention in the texts of Parashara and > > others > > > > about > > > > > using of aspects in varga charts, and also as it does not look > > > > logical, it > > > > > is not correct to use aspects in varga charts. > > > > > > > > > > This is the dilemma. Hope I am clear. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:56 PM, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Melissa, > > > > > > i for one understand that aspects have to be considered if > > necessary > > > > in > > > > > > navamsa.Why not when they are considered from Rasi chart? > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > --- In jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40> > > <jyotish-vidya%40> > > > > <jyotish-vidya%40>, > > > > > > > > > > Melissa Grove anglicus09@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mrs Wendy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, I hold the same position as C.S. Ravindramani does as > > > > stated in > > > > > > his post of earlier today: - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I wish to make it clear, my idea to post the quoting from his > > > > > > book earlier in the morning was restricted only to the usage of > > > > > > navamsa. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You and Uttara ji asked for the data pertaining to the charts > > that > > > > > > related to the quotes and observations cited from the book by > > B.V. > > > > > > Raman. This data has been supplied. If the intention is to > > discuss > > > > these > > > > > > horoscopes further, perhaps a new thread should be opened, for > > that > > > > > > moves away from the original post, which concerned > > interpretation of > > > > the > > > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is clear from the text of the book, 'Notable Nativities', > > that > > > > Dr > > > > > > Raman interpreted the navamsa by taking aspects, such as > > Jupiter's > > > > 5th, > > > > > > 7th and 9th aspects, into account. That was his modus operandi > > > > whether > > > > > > the chart details he was supplied with were accurate or > > inaccurate. > > > > I, > > > > > > like you, don't consider Dr Raman's horoscope of Jesus Christ to > > be > > > > > > correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr Raman does give sources for the nativities in his book. > > Several > > > > of > > > > > > the earlier ones (those from BC) are speculative. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not yet had the opportunity to read all of today's > > posts on > > > > the > > > > > > subject of the navamsa chart. But I look forward to doing so and > > > > > > learning from what other members of the group have to say on the > > > > matter. > > > > > > I am interested to see if others work as Dr Raman did or, if > > not, > > > > how > > > > > > they interpret the navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to take this opportunity to thank Uttara ji for > > > > pointing > > > > > > me to http://jyotishvidya .com/navamsa. htm. When I read the > > page on > > > > the > > > > > > navamsa at this site I realized I have no set of notes > > > > comprehensively > > > > > > covering the navamsa, only one to two jottings mainly directing > > me > > > > to > > > > > > sections covering the topic in some book or other. The > > information > > > > to be > > > > > > found at jyotishvidya.com has been most useful to me. I note too > > > > that > > > > > > you Mrs Wendy have added something on that site and, I think, on > > > > that > > > > > > subject. I have not had the chance to look at your comment yet > > but > > > > will > > > > > > do so shortly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy jyotishvidya@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish-Vidya > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya% > > 40> > > > > <jyotish-vidya%40> > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 27 January, 2010 10:13:27 > > > > > > > Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage > > Prediction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Melissa, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks for the effort you've put in to retrieve this > > > > information. > > > > > > ..much appreciated! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ///The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable > > > > Nativities > > > > > > relate to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he > > uses > > > > is > > > > > > 25th December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 > > > > degrees > > > > > > 43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 > > degrees > > > > 27 > > > > > > minutes./// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, we can discount this one straight off as no-one on the > > face > > > > of > > > > > > this earth knows the actual date of Christ's birth, let alone > > the > > > > > > correct time. 25th December is simply the date chosen (for > > various > > > > > > reasons) to celebrate his birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Gospel of Luke 2: 8 we're told: > > > > > > > **And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the > > > > field, > > > > > > keeping watch over their flock by night.** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt very much if this could be December as it's winter > > then in > > > > > > this part of the world. I would assume the above to point to > > spring > > > > when > > > > > > the lambs are born. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for the other examples given, is there any indication from > > > > where > > > > > > this data was sourced...any evidence on the validity of this > > data? > > > > > > Believe me, I'm not trying to pick fault; just need verification > > > > before > > > > > > I look at the charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya .com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melissa Grove > > > > > > > Wednesday, 27 January 2010 4:34 PM > > > > > > > jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com > > > > > > > Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mrs Wendy, Uttara ji and others, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My intention was merely to show that astrologers such as B.V. > > > > Raman > > > > > > worked with aspects in the Navamsa chart. My position is similar > > to > > > > that > > > > > > expressed by C.S. Ravindramani in a recent post on the same > > subject: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am not asking anybody here to follow what Raman says. I > > just > > > > bring > > > > > > to your notice that how he analyses a chart and and to show how > > > > > > different astrologers use the Navamsa chart. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, since there is an interest in the horoscopes attached > > to > > > > the > > > > > > quotes I supplied, I am happy to oblige. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The data for the charts I referred to is as follows: - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable > > Nativities > > > > > > relate to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he > > uses > > > > is > > > > > > 25th December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 > > > > degrees > > > > > > 43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 > > degrees > > > > 27 > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The remarks on page 62 to which I referred relate to the chart > > of > > > > the > > > > > > Emperor Nero. Data: 15th December 37 AD (O.S.) " at about 7.28 > > a.m. > > > > > > (Long. 12 degrees 46 minutes E., Lat. 41 degrees 29 minutes N.) " > > > > > > Ayanamsa +5 degrees 2 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The quote from page 80 concerns the horoscope of Omar Khayyam. > > > > Data: > > > > > > 18th May 1048 AD (O.S.), 4.48 a.m. (L.M.T.). Lat. 36 degrees 13 > > > > minutes > > > > > > N., Long. 58 degrees 45 minute E. Ayanamsa 9 degrees 6 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The quote from page 96 concerns the horoscope of Guru Nanak. > > Data: > > > > 8th > > > > > > November 1470 (O.S.) at midnight (L.M.T.), Lat. 31 degrees 39 > > > > minutes > > > > > > N., Long. 74 degrees 47 minutes E. Ayanamsa 15 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this is of some help. As I have said, there are many > > > > examples > > > > > > of Raman's use of aspects when interpreting the navamasa - such > > as > > > > that > > > > > > given to the group by C.S. Ravindramani concerning the navamsa > > of > > > > Albert > > > > > > Einstein. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of > > virus > > > > > > signature database 4809 (20100127) __________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.eset. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Dear Krishna, ///To explain the above in terms of astrology - Mercury, the lord of logic depends on Jupiter the lord of knowledge. If Jupiter is weak, and Mercury is strong, one might very well put forward lot of logical statements but that might not be based on sound knowledge./// You've been reading my mind! I was contemplating revisiting a topic we had here some time ago - could have been a year or (much) more now - regarding Mercury's role in the process of 'knowing' and from where he obtains this. You hit the nail on the head with your reference to Jupiter. As I alluded to in earlier post, the sages rightly referred to Mercury as the messenger of the gods...the gods, in this context, being the nine divine planets (navagrahas). Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ===================== Krishnamurthy Seetharama Thursday, 28 January 2010 1:14 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction Dear Gopi ji, //This logic itself is a tricky issue since it is conected with mind.!!!// I have a different take on logic. Logic is a reasoning system to verify something, that uses the body of available knowledge/belief. The efficacy of the logic depends on the level correctness of the knowledge or belief systems available at any point in time. There were times when it was logically concluded that the Sun goes around earth or the earth is flat etc. However as knowledge expands, logic becomes more effective. To explain the above in terms of astrology - Mercury, the lord of logic depends on Jupiter the lord of knowledge. If Jupiter is weak, and Mercury is strong, one might very well put forward lot of logical statements but that might not be based on sound knowledge. Regards, Krishna ======================== __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4811 (20100127) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 //It sounds illogical that 9th division (Nav-Amsa or degrees) of a 30 degrees of a sign of zodiac, which is a physical reality is addressed as imaginary?// I am happy that someone has stated this. Now, I would like to understand how planets in different signs in D9 can be considered as in physical plane and why the planetary aspects are valid in this division. Hope you will help me overcome my dilemma. Regards, Krishna On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:06 PM, litsol <litsol wrote: > > > It sounds illogical that 9th division (Nav-Amsa or degrees) of a 30 degrees > of a sign of zodiac, which is a physical reality is addressed as imaginary? > How it can be, such statements are made out of ignorance. > > Point of discussion should be assistance in predictability that Nav- Amsa > offers, people should try to understand how rashi or lagna chart's > implications are better and minutely revealed by Nav Amsa of a sign in > question. > > How many of you trully studied implications of a chart in which a planet is > in own sign or in exaltation but in it's Nav Amsa of debilitation or other > similar cases. > > BV RAMAN's age was age of first awakening of vedic astrology, KN RAO's age > was age of macro analysis, now astrology enters into next age of micro > analysis. > > However, it's seen that some people have a tendency to defend their faulty > understanding by misusing or misquoting either BV RAMAN OR KN RAO. > > Pls do micro study of planetary significations, it wd help you only, rest > is your choice. > > All the best, > Lalit Mishra > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>, > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote: > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > //even this is also an imaginery position in the sky// > > > > You have got it wrong here. We are dealing with exact physical positions > of > > the planets using their longitudes with reference to the center of the > > earth. These positions are not imaginary by any means! > > > > //As far as combustion is concerned if sun and mer are conjunct in D9 we > > should certainly consider it as well.// > > > > Again this does not make sense! Do you know if any noted astrologer > > following this!? > > > > //I think it is logical to consider aspects atleast in shadvargas// > > > > Please share your logical explanation. > > > > //But ultimately the proof of the pudding......// > > > > This is a tricky issue. With numerous parameters, numerous significations > > and numerous interpretations one can justify anything using any chart. If > > one is not careful and does not follow a well defined and consistent > > approach, there are many traps that can swallow us. That is why Mrs. > Wendy > > is forcing students here to stick to one path shown by Parashara and not > mix > > up and get lost. Even if you want to deviate a bit, you should have done > > good amount of experimentation with many charts before considering any > small > > deviation. > > > > Of course this is my personal opinion. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:58 PM, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji, > > > //The issue is that aspects are connected to physical positions of the > > > > planets. // > > > even this is also an imaginery position in the sky.(physical eye cant > > > see).Ofcourse one may argue scientific eye could see.As you know the so > > > called scientists(majority) say they dont believe in astrology!!As far > > > as combustion is concerned if sun and mer are conjunct in D9 we should > > > certainly consider it as well.Nodes are Shadow planets hence they are > > > different.But there also the debate about aspects continues!!. > > > Talking about logic my simple logic is as i mentioned earlier why not > in > > > vargas.But the aspects may get diluted when we go deeper into > > > shastyamsa(D60).I think it is logical to consider aspects atleast in > > > shadvargas like shadbalas.anyway logic is totally different from > > > astrologic since it is beyond logic!!.. > > > But ultimately the proof of the pudding...... > > > Love and regards, > > > gopi. > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya% > 40>, > > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > <kmurthys58@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi, > > > > > > > > The issue is that aspects are connected to physical positions of the > > > > planets. Only Rasi chart shows the physical positions of the planets > > > and not > > > > any of the varga charts. It is like we consider a planet to be > combust > > > when > > > > it is close to the Sun in Rasi chart. However, we don't consider a > > > planet > > > > to be combust in any of the varga charts. It is the same reason why > > > there > > > > is a debate on whether to consider aspects of nodes or not as nodes > > > are not > > > > physical planets and hence the question is - are they capable of > > > casting > > > > aspects like physical planets? > > > > > > > > It is true that the astrological community is divided over this issue > > > of > > > > considering aspects in varga charts. Those who consider the aspects > > > state > > > > that such practice comes from their tradition. However, they don't > > > have a > > > > logical explanation. Either they are wrong or the logical explanation > > > has > > > > been lost in the cracks of the oral parampara. While some others feel > > > that > > > > as there is no explicit mention in the texts of Parashara and others > > > about > > > > using of aspects in varga charts, and also as it does not look > > > logical, it > > > > is not correct to use aspects in varga charts. > > > > > > > > This is the dilemma. Hope I am clear. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:56 PM, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Melissa, > > > > > i for one understand that aspects have to be considered if > necessary > > > in > > > > > navamsa.Why not when they are considered from Rasi chart? > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > --- In jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya% > 40> > > > <jyotish-vidya%40>, > > > > > > > > Melissa Grove anglicus09@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mrs Wendy, > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, I hold the same position as C.S. Ravindramani does as > > > stated in > > > > > his post of earlier today: - > > > > > > > > > > > > " I wish to make it clear, my idea to post the quoting from his > > > > > book earlier in the morning was restricted only to the usage of > > > > > navamsa. " > > > > > > > > > > > > You and Uttara ji asked for the data pertaining to the charts > that > > > > > related to the quotes and observations cited from the book by B.V. > > > > > Raman. This data has been supplied. If the intention is to discuss > > > these > > > > > horoscopes further, perhaps a new thread should be opened, for that > > > > > moves away from the original post, which concerned interpretation > of > > > the > > > > > navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is clear from the text of the book, 'Notable Nativities', that > > > Dr > > > > > Raman interpreted the navamsa by taking aspects, such as Jupiter's > > > 5th, > > > > > 7th and 9th aspects, into account. That was his modus operandi > > > whether > > > > > the chart details he was supplied with were accurate or inaccurate. > > > I, > > > > > like you, don't consider Dr Raman's horoscope of Jesus Christ to be > > > > > correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr Raman does give sources for the nativities in his book. > Several > > > of > > > > > the earlier ones (those from BC) are speculative. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not yet had the opportunity to read all of today's posts > on > > > the > > > > > subject of the navamsa chart. But I look forward to doing so and > > > > > learning from what other members of the group have to say on the > > > matter. > > > > > I am interested to see if others work as Dr Raman did or, if not, > > > how > > > > > they interpret the navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to take this opportunity to thank Uttara ji for > > > pointing > > > > > me to http://jyotishvidya .com/navamsa. htm. When I read the page > on > > > the > > > > > navamsa at this site I realized I have no set of notes > > > comprehensively > > > > > covering the navamsa, only one to two jottings mainly directing me > > > to > > > > > sections covering the topic in some book or other. The information > > > to be > > > > > found at jyotishvidya.com has been most useful to me. I note too > > > that > > > > > you Mrs Wendy have added something on that site and, I think, on > > > that > > > > > subject. I have not had the chance to look at your comment yet but > > > will > > > > > do so shortly. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy jyotishvidya@ > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish-Vidya > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya% > 40> > > > <jyotish-vidya%40> > > > > > > > > > Wed, 27 January, 2010 10:13:27 > > > > > > Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage > Prediction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Melissa, > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks for the effort you've put in to retrieve this > > > information. > > > > > ..much appreciated! > > > > > > > > > > > > ///The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable > > > Nativities > > > > > relate to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he uses > > > is > > > > > 25th December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 > > > degrees > > > > > 43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees > > > 27 > > > > > minutes./// > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, we can discount this one straight off as no-one on the face > > > of > > > > > this earth knows the actual date of Christ's birth, let alone the > > > > > correct time. 25th December is simply the date chosen (for various > > > > > reasons) to celebrate his birth. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Gospel of Luke 2: 8 we're told: > > > > > > **And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the > > > field, > > > > > keeping watch over their flock by night.** > > > > > > > > > > > > I doubt very much if this could be December as it's winter then > in > > > > > this part of the world. I would assume the above to point to spring > > > when > > > > > the lambs are born. > > > > > > > > > > > > As for the other examples given, is there any indication from > > > where > > > > > this data was sourced...any evidence on the validity of this data? > > > > > Believe me, I'm not trying to pick fault; just need verification > > > before > > > > > I look at the charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya .com > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= = > > > > > > > > > > > > Melissa Grove > > > > > > Wednesday, 27 January 2010 4:34 PM > > > > > > jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com > > > > > > Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mrs Wendy, Uttara ji and others, > > > > > > > > > > > > My intention was merely to show that astrologers such as B.V. > > > Raman > > > > > worked with aspects in the Navamsa chart. My position is similar to > > > that > > > > > expressed by C.S. Ravindramani in a recent post on the same > subject: > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am not asking anybody here to follow what Raman says. I just > > > bring > > > > > to your notice that how he analyses a chart and and to show how > > > > > different astrologers use the Navamsa chart. " > > > > > > > > > > > > However, since there is an interest in the horoscopes attached to > > > the > > > > > quotes I supplied, I am happy to oblige. > > > > > > > > > > > > The data for the charts I referred to is as follows: - > > > > > > > > > > > > The quotes I submitted from pages 55 and 56 of Notable Nativities > > > > > relate to the B.V. Raman's chart for Jesus Christ. The data he uses > > > is > > > > > 25th December, 7 BC, " at about 10.18 p.m. (A.V.C. 747). (Lat. 31 > > > degrees > > > > > 43 minutes N, Long. 35 degrees 13 minutes E.) " Ayanamsa +5 degrees > > > 27 > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > The remarks on page 62 to which I referred relate to the chart of > > > the > > > > > Emperor Nero. Data: 15th December 37 AD (O.S.) " at about 7.28 a.m. > > > > > (Long. 12 degrees 46 minutes E., Lat. 41 degrees 29 minutes N.) " > > > > > Ayanamsa +5 degrees 2 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > The quote from page 80 concerns the horoscope of Omar Khayyam. > > > Data: > > > > > 18th May 1048 AD (O.S.), 4.48 a.m. (L.M.T.). Lat. 36 degrees 13 > > > minutes > > > > > N., Long. 58 degrees 45 minute E. Ayanamsa 9 degrees 6 minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > The quote from page 96 concerns the horoscope of Guru Nanak. > Data: > > > 8th > > > > > November 1470 (O.S.) at midnight (L.M.T.), Lat. 31 degrees 39 > > > minutes > > > > > N., Long. 74 degrees 47 minutes E. Ayanamsa 15 degrees. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this is of some help. As I have said, there are many > > > examples > > > > > of Raman's use of aspects when interpreting the navamasa - such as > > > that > > > > > given to the group by C.S. Ravindramani concerning the navamsa of > > > Albert > > > > > Einstein. > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Melissa > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > > > > > signature database 4809 (20100127) __________ > > > > > > > > > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.eset. com > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Melissa ji, I wish to recommend the works " New Techniques in Predictions of Shri H.R. Seshadri Iyer, who dealt with the issue of usage of divisional charts. In my view the handling of the subject is excellant and other members may have different opinions. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. jyotish-vidya , Melissa Grove <anglicus09 wrote: > > Dear Mrs Wendy, > I have not yet had the opportunity to read all of today's posts on the subject of the navamsa chart. But I look forward to doing so and learning from what other members of the group have to say on the matter. I am interested to see if others work as Dr Raman did or, if not, how they interpret the navamsa. > > > > Warm regards, > > > Melissa > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 PS: ///To explain the above in terms of astrology - Mercury, the lord of logic depends on Jupiter the lord of knowledge. If Jupiter is weak, and Mercury is strong, one might very well put forward lot of logical statements but that might not be based on sound knowledge./// By the same token if Mercury is weak whilst Jupiter is strong the native may have an abundance of knowledge at his disposal but little ability to apply or truly understand that knowledge on the level of intellect. An example might be (perhaps) certain well-meaning religious zealots who knock on our door reciting religious scripture (parrot-fashion) with little comprehension of its true meaning... ________________________________ Dear Krishna, ///To explain the above in terms of astrology - Mercury, the lord of logic depends on Jupiter the lord of knowledge. If Jupiter is weak, and Mercury is strong, one might very well put forward lot of logical statements but that might not be based on sound knowledge./// You've been reading my mind! I was contemplating revisiting a topic we had here some time ago - could have been a year or (much) more now - regarding Mercury's role in the process of 'knowing' and from where he obtains this. You hit the nail on the head with your reference to Jupiter. As I alluded to in earlier post, the sages rightly referred to Mercury as the messenger of the gods...the gods, in this context, being the nine divine planets (navagrahas). Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ===================== __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4812 (20100128) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Dear Ravindramani, Is this the same Seshadri Iyer who introduced a new system which became quite popular in the West during the 1960's? Perhaps, if time permits, you could offer a simple overview of his system (as it relates to navamsha) for the benefit of those who may not be in a position to buy the book... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ======================== ravindramani Thursday, 28 January 2010 3:15 PM jyotish-vidya Re: Using Navamsa for Marriage Prediction Melissa ji, I wish to recommend the works " New Techniques in Predictions of Shri H.R. Seshadri Iyer, who dealt with the issue of usage of divisional charts. In my view the handling of the subject is excellant and other members may have different opinions. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. ========================== __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4812 (20100128) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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