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Dear Manoj,

 

I consider Sun for bones.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

 

On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojwrote:

 

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> Some take Sun to be the Karaka for Bones and others take Saturn to be so.

> Please give your views on this.

>

> Regards,

> -Manoj

>

>

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Sun is karak for bones.Mars for marrom and saturn for nerves and muscles.

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

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(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Fri, 12/25/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:

 

 

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj

Karaka for Bones?

" Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya >

Friday, December 25, 2009, 8:20 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

Some take Sun to be the Karaka for Bones and others take Saturn to be so. Please

give your views on this.

 

Regards,

 -Manoj

 

 

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Dear Manoj,

 

Indian astrology (including Parashara & others) suggest Sun as the karaka

for bones. Westerners and some others consider Saturn as karaka of bones.

 

You must have read in school that sunlight produces vitamin D in us and that

strengthens our bones.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojwrote:

 

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> Some take Sun to be the Karaka for Bones and others take Saturn to be so.

> Please give your views on this.

>

> Regards,

> -Manoj

>

>

>

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Dear Manoj ji/Krishna murthy ji,

I consider both for bones but in practical aplication for me Sat found

to be working better.I dont consider it is wrong to have 2

karakas.......

Love and regards,

gopi.

jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

<kmurthys58 wrote:

>

> Dear Manoj,

>

> Indian astrology (including Parashara & others) suggest Sun as the

karaka

> for bones. Westerners and some others consider Saturn as karaka of

bones.

>

> You must have read in school that sunlight produces vitamin D in us

and that

> strengthens our bones.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

> On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Manoj Chandran

chandran_manojwrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Some take Sun to be the Karaka for Bones and others take Saturn to

be so.

> > Please give your views on this.

> >

> > Regards,

> > -Manoj

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Gopi ji,

 

Saturn and Rahu (and even Mars) when afflict Sun could cause fractures. You

might have seen Saturn in such context with bones. For me considering Sun as

Karaka for bones has worked well.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 11:23 AM, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote:

 

>

>

> Dear Manoj ji/Krishna murthy ji,

> I consider both for bones but in practical aplication for me Sat found

> to be working better.I dont consider it is wrong to have 2

> karakas.......

> Love and regards,

> gopi.

> jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>,

> Krishnamurthy Seetharama

>

> <kmurthys58 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Manoj,

> >

> > Indian astrology (including Parashara & others) suggest Sun as the

> karaka

> > for bones. Westerners and some others consider Saturn as karaka of

> bones.

> >

> > You must have read in school that sunlight produces vitamin D in us

> and that

> > strengthens our bones.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> >

> > On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Manoj Chandran

> chandran_manojwrote:

>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > Some take Sun to be the Karaka for Bones and others take Saturn to

> be so.

> > > Please give your views on this.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > -Manoj

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear All,

 

Thank you for all your comments on this topic. I appreciate the sharing.

 

Regards,

 -Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58

jyotish-vidya

Fri, December 25, 2009 11:04:13 PM

Re: Re: Karaka for Bones?

 

Dear Gopi ji,

 

Saturn and Rahu (and even Mars) when afflict Sun could cause fractures. You

might have seen Saturn in such context with bones. For me considering Sun as

Karaka for bones has worked well.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 11:23 AM, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote:

 

>

>

> Dear Manoj ji/Krishna murthy ji,

> I consider both for bones but in practical aplication for me Sat found

> to be working better.I dont consider it is wrong to have 2

> karakas.......

> Love and regards,

> gopi.

> jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>,

> Krishnamurthy Seetharama

>

> <kmurthys58 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Manoj,

> >

> > Indian astrology (including Parashara & others) suggest Sun as the

> karaka

> > for bones. Westerners and some others consider Saturn as karaka of

> bones.

> >

> > You must have read in school that sunlight produces vitamin D in us

> and that

> > strengthens our bones.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> >

> > On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Manoj Chandran

> chandran_manojwrote:

>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > Some take Sun to be the Karaka for Bones and others take Saturn to

> be so.

> > > Please give your views on this.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > -Manoj

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Krishna and All,

 

I haven't yet had time to go through all the mail but (for now) just a quick

comment on Sun, if I may

 

Indeed Sun is responsible for the formation and maintenance of bones...more

information available here http://www.jyotishvidya.com/prikriti.htm

 

I recall a recent post that said Sun was karaka for Soul (atma) but NOT the

body. This is wrong! Sun signifies both the big Self (Soul) and the small self

(ego) as well as the physical body, being the natural karaka for lagna.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

 

 

 

 

Krishnamurthy Seetharama

Saturday, 26 December 2009 12:15 PM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Karaka for Bones?

 

 

Dear Manoj,

 

Indian astrology (including Parashara & others) suggest Sun as the karaka

for bones. Westerners and some others consider Saturn as karaka of bones.

 

You must have read in school that sunlight produces vitamin D in us and that

strengthens our bones.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

 

On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojwrote:

 

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> Some take Sun to be the Karaka for Bones and others take Saturn to be so.

> Please give your views on this.

>

> Regards,

> -Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Mrs Wendy,

 

I was told by a Jyotish who is also a Sanskrit scholar that there is

no reference in the Classics to suggest that Surya represents " Ahamkara " (Ego)

but the references are only to the  " Atma " (Soul). I am not a Sanskrit scholar

so I cannot vouch for this.

 

On a practical level it may not make any difference (because we rarely refer to

the Ego), may only be a theoritical argument.

 

Regards,

 -Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya

jyotish-vidya

Sat, December 26, 2009 11:45:46 PM

Re: Karaka for Bones?

 

 

Dear Krishna and All,

 

I haven't yet had time to go through all the mail but (for now) just a quick

comment on Sun, if I may

 

Indeed Sun is responsible for the formation and maintenance of bones...more

information available here http://www.jyotishv idya.com/ prikriti. htm

 

I recall a recent post that said Sun was karaka for Soul (atma) but NOT the

body. This is wrong! Sun signifies both the big Self (Soul) and the small self

(ego) as well as the physical body, being the natural karaka for lagna.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

 

Krishnamurthy Seetharama

Saturday, 26 December 2009 12:15 PM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Karaka for Bones?

 

Dear Manoj,

 

Indian astrology (including Parashara & others) suggest Sun as the karaka

for bones. Westerners and some others consider Saturn as karaka of bones.

 

You must have read in school that sunlight produces vitamin D in us and that

strengthens our bones.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@

>wrote:

 

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> Some take Sun to be the Karaka for Bones and others take Saturn to be so.

> Please give your views on this.

>

> Regards,

> -Manoj

 

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Dear Manoj,

 

///On a practical level it may not make any difference (because we rarely refer

to the Ego), may only be a theoritical argument.///

 

This is the first time I've come across the notion that " ego " may only be a

theoretical argument. Believe me, the " ego " is very real! Whenever we refer to

such attributes as arrogance, pride etc., we're referring to 'ego " . The soul is

neither arrogant nor proud...these are attributes of the " ego " !

 

There can be no doubt that Sun signifies;

1. The Soul (Atma)

2) The ego and all it entails.

3) The physical body in general, physical heart, eyes etc..

 

From Bhrigu Sutras:

**Sun represents health, the vital principle, general prosperity and high

office, positions of rank and title, government affairs and officials, new

undertakings, publicity, popularity, superior or proud and haughty persons. Sun

governs the sides, upper portion of the back, heart, right eye of the male and

left eye of the female. His day is Sunday, metal gold and colour orange. If he

is not hampered by unfavourable disposition or malefic aspects or association

and is dignified by position in the horoscope, Sun bestows a nature which is

ambitious, proud, magnanimous, frank, generous, humane, firm and honourable. Men

ruled by the Sun aspire to positions of rulership and by their earnest nature

inspire others with a respect for their abilities, so they usually attain

positions of trust, responsibility and honour where they are perfectly at home

and capable of practical execution to a very satisfactory degree.

If the Sun at birth is unfavourably placed and is otherwise undignified, the

native is inclined to be too forceful, lordly, domineering, positively arrogant

and extravagant, inclining also to sickness of a feverish inflammatory nature,

eye affliction and heart disorders as well as loss of position, credit or esteem

due to impulsiveness of these natives.**

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

________________________

 

 

 

Manoj Chandran

Sunday, 27 December 2009 10:51 PM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Karaka for Bones?

 

 

 

Dear Mrs Wendy,

 

I was told by a Jyotish who is also a Sanskrit scholar that there is no

reference in the Classics to suggest that Surya represents " Ahamkara " (Ego) but

the references are only to the " Atma " (Soul). I am not a Sanskrit scholar so I

cannot vouch for this.

 

On a practical level it may not make any difference (because we rarely refer to

the Ego), may only be a theoritical argument.

 

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

________________________________

Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya

jyotish-vidya

Sat, December 26, 2009 11:45:46 PM

Re: Karaka for Bones?

 

 

Dear Krishna and All,

 

I haven't yet had time to go through all the mail but (for now) just a quick

comment on Sun, if I may

 

Indeed Sun is responsible for the formation and maintenance of bones...more

information available here http://www.jyotishv idya.com/ prikriti. htm

 

I recall a recent post that said Sun was karaka for Soul (atma) but NOT the

body. This is wrong! Sun signifies both the big Self (Soul) and the small self

(ego) as well as the physical body, being the natural karaka for lagna.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Wendy ji,

Nice to hear from you again! Hope you had a very merry Christmas! :-)

///Sun signifies both the big Self (Soul) and the small self (ego) as well as

the physical body, being the natural karaka for lagna.///

Is this why people with afflicted Surya (neecha, aspected by malefics, etc) tend

to have either low self esteem and/or are a little filled with a sense of self

importance?

Of course, since Surya rules vitality, it can cause other health problems

(rather than just bones too), right?

~~~~~~~~~

 

Balaji Narasimhan

 

Author & Editor

 

http://www.balaji.ind.in/

 

~~~~~~~~~

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Mrs Wendy,

 

Thanks for the clarifications.

 

Regards,

 -Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya

jyotish-vidya

Sun, December 27, 2009 2:50:05 PM

Re: Karaka for Bones?

 

 

Dear Manoj,

 

///On a practical level it may not make any difference (because we rarely refer

to the Ego), may only be a theoritical argument.///

 

This is the first time I've come across the notion that " ego " may only be a

theoretical argument. Believe me, the " ego " is very real! Whenever we refer to

such attributes as arrogance, pride etc., we're referring to 'ego " . The soul is

neither arrogant nor proud...these are attributes of the " ego " !

 

There can be no doubt that Sun signifies;

1. The Soul (Atma)

2) The ego and all it entails.

3) The physical body in general, physical heart, eyes etc..

 

From Bhrigu Sutras:

**Sun represents health, the vital principle, general prosperity and high

office, positions of rank and title, government affairs and officials, new

undertakings, publicity, popularity, superior or proud and haughty persons. Sun

governs the sides, upper portion of the back, heart, right eye of the male and

left eye of the female. His day is Sunday, metal gold and colour orange. If he

is not hampered by unfavourable disposition or malefic aspects or association

and is dignified by position in the horoscope, Sun bestows a nature which is

ambitious, proud, magnanimous, frank, generous, humane, firm and honourable. Men

ruled by the Sun aspire to positions of rulership and by their earnest nature

inspire others with a respect for their abilities, so they usually attain

positions of trust, responsibility and honour where they are perfectly at home

and capable of practical execution to a very satisfactory degree.

If the Sun at birth is unfavourably placed and is otherwise undignified, the

native is inclined to be too forceful, lordly, domineering, positively arrogant

and extravagant, inclining also to sickness of a feverish inflammatory nature,

eye affliction and heart disorders as well as loss of position, credit or esteem

due to impulsiveness of these natives.**

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

____________ _________ ___

 

Manoj Chandran

Sunday, 27 December 2009 10:51 PM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Karaka for Bones?

 

Dear Mrs Wendy,

 

I was told by a Jyotish who is also a Sanskrit scholar that there is no

reference in the Classics to suggest that Surya represents " Ahamkara " (Ego) but

the references are only to the " Atma " (Soul). I am not a Sanskrit scholar so I

cannot vouch for this.

 

On a practical level it may not make any difference (because we rarely refer to

the Ego), may only be a theoritical argument.

 

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com>

jyotish-vidya

Sat, December 26, 2009 11:45:46 PM

Re: Karaka for Bones?

 

Dear Krishna and All,

 

I haven't yet had time to go through all the mail but (for now) just a quick

comment on Sun, if I may

 

Indeed Sun is responsible for the formation and maintenance of bones...more

information available here http://www.jyotishv idya.com/ prikriti. htm

 

I recall a recent post that said Sun was karaka for Soul (atma) but NOT the

body. This is wrong! Sun signifies both the big Self (Soul) and the small self

(ego) as well as the physical body, being the natural karaka for lagna.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

 

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Dear Balaji,

 

///Is this why people with afflicted Surya (neecha, aspected by malefics, etc)

tend to have either low self esteem and/or are a little filled with a sense of

self importance?///

 

Of course much depends on who aspects, but commonly natives with ill-disposed

Sun tend to be quite egotistical...fixed in their views. A lack of low

self-esteem may present as arrogant self-assurance...unable to let their guard

down so to speak. It can manifest in many ways so it's difficult to set the same

rule for everyone.

 

I have a Son (David) with Sun in Libra in nakshatra of Rahu. God Bless him he's

a self-made business man who works hard for his family, but when he comes to

visit he goes on endlessly about his work; what he does; what he's achieved and

what he hopes to achieve...the ego is so dominant! However, with Jupiter's

aspect, kindness and compassion are not lacking...misguided at times due to

Jupiter's weakness, but evident non-the-less.

 

///Of course, since Surya rules vitality, it can cause other health problems

(rather than just bones too), right?///

 

As karaka for lagna, Sun represents our overall physical well-being and, apart

from governing the formation and maintenance of bones (Sapta Dhatu), Sun also

signifies (particularly) the head, brain, right eye, bile, organ of voice

(larynx), physical heart, arteries and veins.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

________________________

 

 

 

 

Balaji Narasimhan

Monday, 28 December 2009 9:00 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Karaka for Bones?

 

 

 

Wendy ji,

Nice to hear from you again! Hope you had a very merry Christmas! :-)

///Sun signifies both the big Self (Soul) and the small self (ego) as well as

the physical body, being the natural karaka for lagna.///

Is this why people with afflicted Surya (neecha, aspected by malefics, etc) tend

to have either low self esteem and/or are a little filled with a sense of self

importance?

Of course, since Surya rules vitality, it can cause other health problems

(rather than just bones too), right?

~~~~~~~~~

 

Balaji Narasimhan

 

Author & Editor

 

http://www.balaji.ind.in/

 

~~~~~~~~~

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Balaji,

 

///Nice to hear from you again! Hope you had a very merry Christmas! :-)///

 

Thank you! Yes, Christmas was very nice. The family all came to my house for

dinner so I was kept quite busy. But it was well worth it to have them all

together and be able to cook for them.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

________________________

 

 

 

 

Balaji Narasimhan

Monday, 28 December 2009 9:00 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Karaka for Bones?

 

 

 

Wendy ji,

Nice to hear from you again! Hope you had a very merry Christmas! :-)

///Sun signifies both the big Self (Soul) and the small self (ego) as well as

the physical body, being the natural karaka for lagna.///

Is this why people with afflicted Surya (neecha, aspected by malefics, etc) tend

to have either low self esteem and/or are a little filled with a sense of self

importance?

Of course, since Surya rules vitality, it can cause other health problems

(rather than just bones too), right?

~~~~~~~~~

 

Balaji Narasimhan

 

Author & Editor

 

http://www.balaji.ind.in/

 

~~~~~~~~~

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Mrs Wendy Ji,

Nice to see you back giving very lucid clarification citing example.Long live

and Pray for your more guidance.

ragards

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

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Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya

Re: Re: Karaka for Bones?

jyotish-vidya

Sunday, December 27, 2009, 9:42 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Balaji,

 

///Is this why people with afflicted Surya (neecha, aspected by malefics, etc)

tend to have either low self esteem and/or are a little filled with a sense of

self importance?/ //

 

Of course much depends on who aspects, but commonly natives with ill-disposed

Sun tend to be quite egotistical. ..fixed in their views. A lack of low

self-esteem may present as arrogant self-assurance. ..unable to let their guard

down so to speak. It can manifest in many ways so it's difficult to set the same

rule for everyone.

 

I have a Son (David) with Sun in Libra in nakshatra of Rahu. God Bless him he's

a self-made business man who works hard for his family, but when he comes to

visit he goes on endlessly about his work; what he does; what he's achieved and

what he hopes to achieve...the ego is so dominant! However, with Jupiter's

aspect, kindness and compassion are not lacking...misguided at times due to

Jupiter's weakness, but evident non-the-less.

 

///Of course, since Surya rules vitality, it can cause other health problems

(rather than just bones too), right?///

 

As karaka for lagna, Sun represents our overall physical well-being and, apart

from governing the formation and maintenance of bones (Sapta Dhatu), Sun also

signifies (particularly) the head, brain, right eye, bile, organ of voice

(larynx), physical heart, arteries and veins.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

____________ _________ ___

 

Balaji Narasimhan

Monday, 28 December 2009 9:00 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Karaka for Bones?

 

Wendy ji,

Nice to hear from you again! Hope you had a very merry Christmas! :-)

///Sun signifies both the big Self (Soul) and the small self (ego) as well as

the physical body, being the natural karaka for lagna.///

Is this why people with afflicted Surya (neecha, aspected by malefics, etc) tend

to have either low self esteem and/or are a little filled with a sense of self

importance?

Of course, since Surya rules vitality, it can cause other health problems

(rather than just bones too), right?

~~~~~~~~~

 

Balaji Narasimhan

 

Author & Editor

 

http://www.balaji. ind.in/

 

~~~~~~~~~

 

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Dear Krishnan,

 

Thank you, it's good to be participating with you all again. But I musn't forget (this time) to take sufficient time away from the computer to enjoy other aspects of my life...very important, don't you agree

 

Best Wishes,Mrs. Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com________________________

 

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Monday, 28 December 2009 11:38 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Re: Karaka for Bones?

Mrs Wendy Ji,Nice to see you back giving very lucid clarification citing example.Long live and Pray for your more guidance.ragardsVattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman"Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them"Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Mrs Wendy,Welcome back to you and your wisdom filled posts.......nice to know you have had a Merry Christmas with your family....God bless,gopi.jyotish-vidya , "Mrs. Wendy" <jyotishvidya wrote:>> Dear Krishna and All,> > I haven't yet had time to go through all the mail but (for now) just a quick comment on Sun, if I may > > Indeed Sun is responsible for the formation and maintenance of bones...more information available here http://www.jyotishvidya.com/prikriti.htm> > I recall a recent post that said Sun was karaka for Soul (atma) but NOT the body. This is wrong! Sun signifies both the big Self (Soul) and the small self (ego) as well as the physical body, being the natural karaka for lagna.> > Best Wishes,> Mrs. Wendy> http://JyotishVidya.com> > > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > Saturday, 26 December 2009 12:15 PM> jyotish-vidya > Re: Karaka for Bones?> > > Dear Manoj,> > Indian astrology (including Parashara & others) suggest Sun as the karaka> for bones. Westerners and some others consider Saturn as karaka of bones.> > You must have read in school that sunlight produces vitamin D in us and that> strengthens our bones.> > Regards,> Krishna> > > On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Manoj Chandran chandran_manojwrote:> > >> >> > Dear All,> >> > Some take Sun to be the Karaka for Bones and others take Saturn to be so.> > Please give your views on this.> >> > Regards,> > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4717 (20091226) __________> > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.> > http://www.eset.com> > > >

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Dear Gopi,

 

Nice to be back

 

Best Wishes,Mrs. Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com________________________

 

 

 

gopalakrishna

Monday, 28 December 2009 12:03 PM

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Re: Karaka for Bones?

Dear Mrs Wendy,Welcome back to you and your wisdom filled posts.......nice to know you have had a Merry Christmas with your family....God bless,gopi.jyotish-vidya , "Mrs. Wendy" <jyotishvidya wrote:>> Dear Krishna and All,> > I haven't yet had time to go through all the mail but (for now) just a quick comment on Sun, if I may > > Indeed Sun is responsible for the formation and maintenance of bones...more information available here http://www.jyotishvidya.com/prikriti.htm> > I recall a recent post that said Sun was karaka for Soul (atma) but NOT the body. This is wrong! Sun signifies both the big Self (Soul) and the small self (ego) as well as the physical body, being the natural karaka for lagna.> > Best Wishes,> Mrs. Wendy> http://JyotishVidya.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Mrs. Wendy,Yes, I agree with you on Sun representing physical body as well. We should remember that Sun is also lagnakaraka.Regards,Krishna

On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Krishna and All,

 

I haven't yet had time to go through all the mail but (for now) just a quick comment on Sun, if I may

 

Indeed Sun is responsible for the formation and maintenance of bones...more information available here http://www.jyotishvidya.com/prikriti.htm

 

I recall a recent post that said Sun was karaka for Soul (atma) but NOT the body. This is wrong! Sun signifies both the big Self (Soul) and the small self (ego) as well as the physical body, being the natural karaka for lagna.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

 

Krishnamurthy Seetharama

Saturday, 26 December 2009 12:15 PM

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Re: Karaka for Bones?

 

Dear Manoj,

 

Indian astrology (including Parashara & others) suggest Sun as the karaka

for bones. Westerners and some others consider Saturn as karaka of bones.

 

You must have read in school that sunlight produces vitamin D in us and that

strengthens our bones.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojwrote:

 

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> Some take Sun to be the Karaka for Bones and others take Saturn to be so.

> Please give your views on this.

>

> Regards,

> -Manoj

 

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Wendy ji

 

///Of course much depends on who aspects, but commonly natives with ill-disposed

Sun tend to be quite egotistical///

 

Yeah, too much of the I, me, myself attitude. Surya is neecha in Tula because he

hates the concept of anybody being equal to him. He has to be king!

 

///Yes, Christmas was very nice. The family all came to my house for dinner so I

was kept quite busy.///

 

I'm sure it would have been tiring, but this is the nice sort of tiredness! :-)

 

~~~~~~~~~

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Dear Manoj Ji and All,

 

Even as told by some learned scholars to me and with my limited understanding We

often blame SUN for EGO.. Which is NOT TRUE and i have observed and observing

still from many charts..

 

It is JUPITER who represents EGO... Pls check Jup's postion especially in 3H i

found them More Egoistic person(s) in majority of charts..of course certainly

not in all charts

 

Regards

 

Chandu2Chill

 

 

jyotish-vidya , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:

>

> Dear Mrs Wendy,

>

I was told by a Jyotish who is also a Sanskrit scholar that there is

no reference in the Classics to suggest that Surya represents " Ahamkara " (Ego)

but the references are only to the  " Atma " (Soul). I am not a Sanskrit scholar

so I cannot vouch for this.

>

> On a practical level it may not make any difference (because we rarely refer

to the Ego), may only be a theoritical argument.

>  

> Regards,

>  -Manoj

>  

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya

> jyotish-vidya

> Sat, December 26, 2009 11:45:46 PM

> Re: Karaka for Bones?

>

>  

> Dear Krishna and All,

>

> I haven't yet had time to go through all the mail but (for now) just a quick

comment on Sun, if I may

>

> Indeed Sun is responsible for the formation and maintenance of bones...more

information available here http://www.jyotishv idya.com/ prikriti. htm

>

> I recall a recent post that said Sun was karaka for Soul (atma) but NOT the

body. This is wrong! Sun signifies both the big Self (Soul) and the small self

(ego) as well as the physical body, being the natural karaka for lagna.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

>

> Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> Saturday, 26 December 2009 12:15 PM

> jyotish-vidya

> Re: Karaka for Bones?

>

> Dear Manoj,

>

> Indian astrology (including Parashara & others) suggest Sun as the karaka

> for bones. Westerners and some others consider Saturn as karaka of bones.

>

> You must have read in school that sunlight produces vitamin D in us and that

> strengthens our bones.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@

>wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Some take Sun to be the Karaka for Bones and others take Saturn to be so.

> > Please give your views on this.

> >

> > Regards,

> > -Manoj

>

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Dear Friends,

State of Ego is always a matter of interest for psychologists as well it seems for Astrologer.

1..AS a planet giving light and direction,Sun is a great rverred Planet and is next to none.he also holds command as a lagna"Surya Lagna apart from all our theoritical understandings.

2.Sun being the King of Planetary Cabinet it was held in Classiclas as "Proudha".Also not malefic but KROOR apart from bitter and sour tastes arising from Sun.The question of blaming of sun is never there as it was also oft told PAPOM Ko HARANEWALE SURYA.

It is often seen that every" Prani" He introduces,exposes and gives experience in all worldly affairs.As far as all other planets are next to King follow

3..Jupiter as a planet giving knowledge/Vidya apart from many other things,jupiter does not make any body as proud.Infact also considered as "mitha bahsi" characterised as Deva Guru.He is a symbolic representation of Good(it is different he may cause bad,yet times)

4.Possibly Sukracharya represented by Venus holds vanity and also"above all others" in materialistic terms.No doubt as diatya guru he has all things equal or more to Brihaspati/Guru.

5.Some how these comparisions and actual realities are a matter of interest.we should therfore understand what is it that causes ego in a person,is it wealth?Appearence/sundarata?bravery/courage,Knowledge?6Stories of Past History says Rulers project "ego" to indicate that they r class by themselves and they rein power in their hands.Their competencies are never to be interrogated

7.Surya is thus embodiment of all qualities to praise him or despise Him.

Vattem Krishnan

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Dr.B.V.Raman"Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them"

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

--- On Tue, 12/29/09, CP <nanna_id2006 wrote:

CP <nanna_id2006 Re: Karaka for Bones?jyotish-vidya Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 6:00 AM

Dear Manoj Ji and All,Even as told by some learned scholars to me and with my limited understanding We often blame SUN for EGO.. Which is NOT TRUE and i have observed and observing still from many charts...It is JUPITER who represents EGO... Pls check Jup's postion especially in 3H i found them More Egoistic person(s) in majority of charts..of course certainly not in all chartsRegardsChandu2Chilljyotish-vidya, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Mrs Wendy,> I was told by a Jyotish who is also a Sanskrit scholar that there is no reference in the Classics to suggest that Surya represents "Ahamkara" (Ego) but the references are only to the "Atma"

(Soul). I am not a Sanskrit scholar so I cannot vouch for this.> > On a practical level it may not make any difference (because we rarely refer to the Ego), may only be a theoritical argument.>  > Regards,>  -Manoj>  > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya@ ...>> jyotish-vidya> Sat, December 26, 2009 11:45:46 PM> Re: Karaka for Bones?> >  > Dear Krishna and All,> > I haven't yet had time to go through all the mail but (for now) just a quick comment on Sun, if I may > > Indeed Sun is responsible for

the formation and maintenance of bones...more information available here http://www.jyotishv idya.com/ prikriti. htm> > I recall a recent post that said Sun was karaka for Soul (atma) but NOT the body. This is wrong! Sun signifies both the big Self (Soul) and the small self (ego) as well as the physical body, being the natural karaka for lagna.> > Best Wishes,> Mrs. Wendy> http://JyotishVidya .com> > Krishnamurthy Seetharama > Saturday, 26 December 2009 12:15 PM> jyotish-vidya > Re: Karaka for Bones?> > Dear Manoj,> > Indian astrology (including Parashara & others) suggest Sun as the karaka> for bones. Westerners and some others consider Saturn as karaka

of bones.> > You must have read in school that sunlight produces vitamin D in us and that> strengthens our bones.> > Regards,> Krishna> > On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >wrote:> > >> >> > Dear All,> >> > Some take Sun to be the Karaka for Bones and others take Saturn to be so.> > Please give your views on this.> >> > Regards,> > -Manoj> > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4717 (20091226) __________> > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.> > http://www.eset. com> >

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Chandhu,

 

I strongly advise you to put some serious effort into learning the basics before making such erroneous statements.

 

Most serious students, I'm sure, will be familiar with the works of Dr. David Frawley... in particular "The Astrology of the Seers" from which I offer the following:

 

**The Sun is our sense of self and indicates our self-manifestation. On the lower level, the Sun represents the ego. It shows our impulses towards power, prestige, fame, authority and control etc..**

 

After quoting from Rishi Bhrigu (Bhrigu Sutras) only yesterday, I find it amazing that you can come out with such a contradictory statement. Do you consider yourself more learned than the learned?

 

My own guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (the greatest proponent of Vedic knowledge in our time) has taught me that Sun signifies both the big Self (Atma/Soul) and the small self (ego)... Do you set yourself up as an authority over these great rishis??

 

Mrs. Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com________________________

 

 

 

 

 

CP

Tuesday, 29 December 2009 7:00 PM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Karaka for Bones?

Dear Manoj Ji and All,Even as told by some learned scholars to me and with my limited understanding We often blame SUN for EGO.. Which is NOT TRUE and i have observed and observing still from many charts..It is JUPITER who represents EGO... Pls check Jup's postion especially in 3H i found them More Egoistic person(s) in majority of charts..of course certainly not in all chartsRegardsChandu2Chill

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear All,Sun is the center of our solar system. Without the Sun, this solar system will not exist. Everything under the Sun gets an identity or 'ego' only because of the Sun and not because of anything else. Is there a counter argument?

Regards,Krishna

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chandhu,

 

I strongly advise you to put some serious effort into learning the basics before making such erroneous statements.

 

Most serious students, I'm sure, will be familiar with the works of Dr. David Frawley... in particular " The Astrology of the Seers " from which I offer the following:

 

**The Sun is our sense of self and indicates our self-manifestation. On the lower level, the Sun represents the ego. It shows our impulses towards power, prestige, fame, authority and control etc..**

 

After quoting from Rishi Bhrigu (Bhrigu Sutras) only yesterday, I find it amazing that you can come out with such a contradictory statement. Do you consider yourself more learned than the learned?

 

My own guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (the greatest proponent of Vedic knowledge in our time) has taught me that Sun signifies both the big Self (Atma/Soul) and the small self (ego)... Do you set yourself up as an authority over these great rishis??

 

Mrs. Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com________________________ 

 

 

 

 

 

CP

Tuesday, 29 December 2009 7:00 PM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Karaka for Bones?

 

Dear Manoj Ji and All,Even as told by some learned scholars to me and with my limited understanding We often blame SUN for EGO.. Which is NOT TRUE and i have observed and observing still from many charts..It is JUPITER who represents EGO... Pls check Jup's postion especially in 3H i found them More Egoistic person(s) in majority of charts..of course certainly not in all chartsRegardsChandu2Chill

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Mrs. Wendy Ji,

 

Your advise is been taken with due respect and thank you for the same.

 

I was just echoing what Manoj Ji has mentioned on the subject (Sun and Ego) and

the next statement was mine i.e Jupiter represents Ego, this was told and

discussed in my personal intraction(s) with some of the learned persons whom i

know.. Same quetion was put by me to him, If Sun does not represnt Ego then whom

(which planet) should we consider for Ego? his answer was it is Jupiter more so

adversly placed Jupiter he said. i forgot to mention this in my first response

to the subject.

 

In fact Difficult/Rigid/Arrogant people should be associated with Adversly

placed Jupiter..

 

Asked me to check and test it on as many charts as possible (Note: You know i am

more interested in Practical and Result based Astrology study. No doubt Theroy

and all Granthas like BHPS certainly halp and MUST be studied. But there and in

India traditionally taught i.e. Oral tradition Astrologers give more accurate

predictions then who mastered the BPHS. This i found myself and i am convinced)

 

In an argument there are many ways one can defend his/her view points. here i am

not arguing and i am not claiming that i am more Learned then the learned ones

on this group,then there's no question of me considering myself more learned

then Brighu Rishi.

 

But the argument continued i asked him how and on what basis you say that

Jupiter represents Ego? he gave one live example what we all experienced and

seen. When Jupiter was transiting his MT House just recently he told me in

general in mundane perspective, Every person WAS Optimistic Banks were making

Huge Profits(??) and everybody seemed happy(??) then what happened? we all know

the history.. He told me No doubt Jupiter is EXPANSSIVE, OPTIMISTIC.. But then

in the end it all boils down to Ego.. When the reality hits Ego vanishes.. so

where's the Sun here who transits one sign every month how you can say he

represents Ego?. You and everybody has the right to differ on this i don't have

any issues with that. I am just sharing what i have been told and asked to see

and did little study with my known charts. not just my chart alone:-)

 

This is what i found/learned at least from this GURU Ji that there's lot of

practical knowledge/application is needed then just bookish one.. at least for

me...:-)

 

Rest all your points are taken with due respect. Since i am still learning

Basics i have the right to question and subject to fail in my observations..

hope you agree with me on this:-)

 

 

Regards

 

Chandu2Chill

 

PS: Being an Optimistic is OK. But too much of Optimistic shows or at least

generates the Ego in the person anybody would like to discuss and share their

views? i am not going to ARGUE i will be a silent learner now:-)

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Chandhu,

>

> I strongly advise you to put some serious effort into learning the basics

before making such erroneous statements.

>

> Most serious students, I'm sure, will be familiar with the works of Dr. David

Frawley... in particular " The Astrology of the Seers " from which I offer the

following:

>

> **The Sun is our sense of self and indicates our self-manifestation. On the

lower level, the Sun represents the ego. It shows our impulses towards power,

prestige, fame, authority and control etc..**

>

> After quoting from Rishi Bhrigu (Bhrigu Sutras) only yesterday, I find it

amazing that you can come out with such a contradictory statement. Do you

consider yourself more learned than the learned?

>

> My own guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (the greatest proponent of Vedic knowledge

in our time) has taught me that Sun signifies both the big Self (Atma/Soul) and

the small self (ego)... Do you set yourself up as an authority over these great

rishis??

>

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ________________________

>

>

>

>

>

> CP

> Tuesday, 29 December 2009 7:00 PM

> jyotish-vidya

> Re: Karaka for Bones?

>

>

>

>

> Dear Manoj Ji and All,

>

> Even as told by some learned scholars to me and with my limited understanding

We often blame SUN for EGO.. Which is NOT TRUE and i have observed and observing

still from many charts..

>

> It is JUPITER who represents EGO... Pls check Jup's postion especially in 3H i

found them More Egoistic person(s) in majority of charts..of course certainly

not in all charts

>

> Regards

>

> Chandu2Chill

>

>

>

>

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