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Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

Upon giving further thought to this mail, I would like to ask one more question.

 

If you are taking bhavat bhatam then for both children the bhavat bhatam should

be same?

 

For example,

 

If you take the younger twins chart, then from that you are taking the elder

twin to be 11th house, which means that u are taking as the lagna.

 

Why is it then that the father of both the children is not the same?

 

i.e as per what you follow (i follow 9th to be father and 3rd to be mother) but

keeping all that aside, as taking younger to be 3rd and elder to be 11th then

the father of both the children become different.

 

10th from 3rd would be 12th house, then would become father for the younger twin

and 10th from 11th would be 8th house, and that would be the father of elder

twin?

 

How can fathers be different? Same for mother. 4th from 3rd house would become

6th house i.e. mother of younger twin and then 4th from 11th would become 2nd

house, and that would become mother from older twin.

 

How do we re-concile this?

 

Thanks,

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> As it's quite late here now I haven't time to locate the relevant slokas;

> However, Parashara tells us to judge mother (for instance) from Moon and

> from 4th house. As we know 3rd from 4th shows mothers siblings, 7th from

> 4th shows mothers husband, and so forth... This same principle applies

> for all bhavas and their karakas i.e. 7th from 3rd shows spouse of

> younger sibling, 7th from 11th shows spouse of elder sibling etc, etc..

>

> Apart from this, the kundali (Virgo lagna) belongs to both siblings and

> no doubt their lives (and looks) are similar...very much so! As Krishna

> said only their parents can really tell them apart.

>

> I'm afraid I'll have to leave this here for now, Ash, as it's really way,

> way past my bedtime. Perhaps other members might dig out some relevant

> slokas whilst I'm away :-)

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

>

> -

> " ashsam73 " <kas

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:36 AM

> Re: A puzzling case of twins!

>

>

> Dear Mrs. Wendy,

>

> So, from the same Rasi chart, you are making 11th house the lagna and

> then studing the same for elder and for the younger one you are using 3rd

> house as lagna and then finding the relation?

>

> Have I understood it correctly?

>

> If that is the case, then what does lagna in both the twin chart

> indidcate?

>

> Maybe I did not understand this. Can you explain in who's chart you are

> seeing 11th house and in who's chart you are seeing 3rd house?

>

> Thanks,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ash,

> >

> > ///2) The procedure for finding out the reason for the twins having

> > different natures. What factors go into it while delineating the

> > same.///

> >

> > The father told Krishna that the elder boy is more like him while the

> > younger one is more like the mother... One indication can be seen with

> > 11th lord (elder sibling) occupying 10th house (father) whilst 3rd lord

> > (younger sibling) conjuncts 4th lord (mother).

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Mrs. Wendy

> > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > ___

> >

> >

> > -

> > " ashsam73 " <kas@>

> > <jyotish-vidya >

> > Wednesday, May 13, 2009 11:06 PM

> > Re: A puzzling case of twins!

> >

> >

> > Dear Krishna ji and Mrs. Wendy,

> >

> > My take away knowledge that I am looking for from this exercise is to

> >

> > 1) Find out the procedure in how you and Krishnaji and others if they

> > would like to share, on how the Delay is computed and the factors that

> > go

> > in.

> >

> > 2) The procedure for finding out the reason for the twins having

> > different natures. What factors go into it while delineating the same.

> >

> > Can you and Krishnaji share the same, then atleast I can try to

> > understand how you are analyzing the same.

> >

> > Thanking you,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

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Dear Ash,

 

There is no conflict from my side i.e. 10th from 11th (father) has lord

(Mars) in sign of Leo with Sun conjunct Mercury (10th lord from janma

kundali). 10th from 3rd is Leo with Sun conjunct Mercury etc, etc..

 

4th from 11th (mother) has lord (Venus) in sign of Aquarius with Saturn

in lagna (janma kundali). 4th from 3rd is (again) Aquarius with Saturn in

lagna.

 

How do you see different parents for these twins?

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" ashsam73 " <kas

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:03 AM

Re: A puzzling case of twins!

 

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

Upon giving further thought to this mail, I would like to ask one more

question.

 

If you are taking bhavat bhatam then for both children the bhavat bhatam

should be same?

 

For example,

 

If you take the younger twins chart, then from that you are taking the

elder twin to be 11th house, which means that u are taking as the lagna.

 

Why is it then that the father of both the children is not the same?

 

i.e as per what you follow (i follow 9th to be father and 3rd to be

mother) but keeping all that aside, as taking younger to be 3rd and elder

to be 11th then the father of both the children become different.

 

10th from 3rd would be 12th house, then would become father for the

younger twin and 10th from 11th would be 8th house, and that would be the

father of elder twin?

 

How can fathers be different? Same for mother. 4th from 3rd house would

become 6th house i.e. mother of younger twin and then 4th from 11th would

become 2nd house, and that would become mother from older twin.

 

How do we re-concile this?

 

Thanks,

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

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Dear Mrs Wendy,

 

10th from 11th is 8th

house. 10th from 3rd

is 12th house. You get 2

different house for father.

 

Do you mean to say then that if you take the elder twin, then

you must study the father from 8th house and if you take the chart

of younger twin then you should study father from 12th house?

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya

[jyotish-vidya ] On

Behalf Of Mrs. Wendy

Wednesday May 13, 2009 10:37

PM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Re: A

puzzling case of twins!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ash,

 

There is no conflict from my side i.e. 10th from 11th (father) has lord

(Mars) in sign of Leo with Sun conjunct Mercury (10th lord from janma

kundali). 10th from 3rd is Leo with Sun conjunct Mercury etc, etc..

 

4th from 11th (mother) has lord (Venus) in sign of Aquarius with Saturn

in lagna (janma kundali). 4th from 3rd is (again) Aquarius with Saturn in

lagna.

 

How do you see different parents for these twins?

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

-

" ashsam73 " <kas

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:03 AM

Re: A puzzling case of twins!

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

Upon giving further thought to this mail, I would like to ask one more

question.

 

If you are taking bhavat bhatam then for both children the bhavat bhatam

should be same?

 

For example,

 

If you take the younger twins chart, then from that you are taking the

elder twin to be 11th house, which means that u are taking as the lagna.

 

Why is it then that the father of both the children is not the same?

 

i.e as per what you follow (i follow 9th to be father and 3rd to be

mother) but keeping all that aside, as taking younger to be 3rd and elder

to be 11th then the father of both the children become different.

 

10th from 3rd would be 12th house, then would become father for the

younger twin and 10th from 11th would be 8th house, and that would be the

father of elder twin?

 

How can fathers be different? Same for mother. 4th from 3rd house would

become 6th house i.e. mother of younger twin and then 4th from 11th would

become 2nd house, and that would become mother from older twin.

 

How do we re-concile this?

 

Thanks,

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

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Dear Ash,

 

///Can a person with Cancer lagna be very cruel and not soft and a person

with scorpio lagna be a gentle person and not necesarily more aggressive?

Is this a generalization i.e being Scorpio means one is more aggressive

as its ruled by Ma and on the other hand if its Cancer then one is more

gentle as its ruled by Moon? That would be akin to saying that all the

Scorpios are more firey and martials and all the Cancer lagnas people are

gentle? Which I am sure, you know that is not always true? Then how do

we confirm this?///

 

As I'm sure you (also) know the characteristics of each sign are in

general terms only. However, without doubt, there are recognisable

differences between the signs, and (again) we both know that...

 

For Cancer/Scorpio there are also similarities. For instance both are

water signs, expressing kapha dosha.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" ashsam73 " <kas

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, May 14, 2009 2:13 AM

Re: A puzzling case of twins!

 

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

I do not require the shlokes, so please do not worry about digging it up.

What I want to understand is the approach. Yes, i do know the bhavat

bhatam principle, but with that, it still does not give me the answer, as

to what does the lagna show?

 

From Lagna what do we see, and from 11th/3rd house what do we see, and

should we do that for all the charts or only in case, if we are unable to

get the answer as all other things are same like lagna, navamsa etc, then

we can resort to bhavat bhatam?

 

What would the navamsa shows if it were to be different? Can a person

with Cancer lagna be very cruel and not soft and a person with scorpio

lagna be a gentle person and not necesarily more aggressive? Is this a

generalization i.e being Scorpio means one is more aggressive as its

ruled by Ma and on the other hand if its Cancer then one is more gentle

as its ruled by Moon? That would be akin to saying that all the Scorpios

are more firey and martials and all the Cancer lagnas people are gentle?

Which I am sure, you know that is not always true? Then how do we

confirm this?

 

Thanks,

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

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Dear Ash,

 

///Do you mean to say then that if you take the elder twin, then you must

study

the father from 8th house and if you take the chart of younger twin then

you

should study father from 12th house?///

 

In this instance we get the same result, do we not?

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Ash's Corner " <kas

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:54 AM

RE: Re: A puzzling case of twins!

 

 

Dear Mrs Wendy,

 

10th from 11th is 8th house. 10th from 3rd is 12th house. You get 2

different house for father.

 

Do you mean to say then that if you take the elder twin, then you must

study

the father from 8th house and if you take the chart of younger twin then

you

should study father from 12th house?

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

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Dear Ash,I look at both Rasi and Navamsha for marrige. First looking at the 7L and Karaka for marriage both in Rasi and Navamsha one can see if there are adverse factors obstructing marriage or not based on that one can decide whether it is normal marriage or delayed marrige. Once, that is established, then I look for each AD in the corrsponding age range and evaluate whether a particular AD is capable of giving marriage or not.

Following is the detailed evaluation for each of the twins:1. Elder TwinVirgo Rasi Lagna and Leo Navamsha Lagna.Rasi Analysis:a. 7L -  Jupiter:

- In a Neutral sign - No negative- With one of the Marriage makers (Rahu) - Good- Has Very good Shadbala - Very Good- No specific weakness like comb, sandhi, debilitation etc. - Good

- Occupies 12H - Not good- Vargottama - Excellentb. Karaka for marriage - Jupiter:Same points as abovec. Karaka for spouse - Venus:

- Placed in a Neutral sign - no negative- Occupies 6H - Not Good- Has good Shadbala - Good- No specific weakness like comb, sandhi, debilitation etc. - Good

Navamsha Analysis: (More important for marriage considerations)a. 7L - Saturn/ Rahu:- Saturn in own sign though in a dusthana - not bad- Rahu is exalted - Excellent

b. Karaka Jupiter:- Occupies Lgna - A great blessing that overcomes many negatives- Occupies Neutral sign - No negativec. Karaka Venus:- In an enemy sign - Not Good

- Occupies a Kona - Very GoodOverall there are good positives in Navamsha that can overcome the the other negatives. Therefore, I don't foresee any delay in marriage.

Timing:When the boy is around 21 years he is running Jup-Saturn periodSaturn is 7L in Navamsha occupying own sign. Saturn has the primary ability to give marriage and hence marriage can take place in Jup-Saturn period.

2. Younger Twin

 

Virgo Rasi Lagna and Virgo Navamsha Lagna.

 

Rasi Analysis:

 

Same like the elder twin

Navamsha Analysis: (More important for marriage considerations)

 

a. 7L - Jupiter:

 

- Jupiter in dusthana - Not Good

- Jupiter in Neutra sign - No negative

 

b. Karaka Jupiter:

 

- Jupiter in dusthana - Not Good

- Jupiter in Neutra sign - No negative

 

c. Karaka of spouse Venus:

 

- In an enemy sign - Not Good

- Occupies a dusthana - Not Good

 

Clearly Navmsha offers many hurdles. Therefore, there will be considerable delay in marriage

 

Timing:

When the boy is around 28 years old the boy is running Jup - Ven period.Jup-Venus: Venus is very adversely placed in Navamsha and with Ketu in Rasi, will not give marriageJup-Sun: Sun though not a primary marriage giving planet, is conjunt Rahu in Navamsha - Offers a mild possibility

Jup-Moon: Deblitated in Navamsha and conjunct Ketu. Hence will not give marriageJup-Mars: Mars though not a primary marriage giving planet is conjunct Jupiter and Rahu in Rasi - Offers a mild possibilityJup-Rahu: Rahu will undoubtedly give marriage if not happened until now.

Regards,KrishnaOn Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:15 PM, ashsam73 <kas wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Krishna ji,

 

Can you give me how much delay you are considering for each planet or what is the mathematical procedure for calculating the delay?

 

For example, Sa in 7th house then how much delay would u take, or say Ra aspecting 7th house or something like that then how much delay is there?

 

Are you considering only Rasi to calculate the delay or are u using navamsa as well, and if so what is the procedure you are following to come to the proper delay.

 

I think you can get the point that is not clear to me from your mail.

 

Thanks,

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote:

>

> Dear Ash ji,

>

> I think I have already given answers to both of your questions in one of my

> earlier messages that I wrote after meeting the parents of the twins.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:36 PM, ashsam73 <kas wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Krishna ji and Mrs. Wendy,

> >

> > My take away knowledge that I am looking for from this exercise is to

> >

> > 1) Find out the procedure in how you and Krishnaji and others if they would

> > like to share, on how the Delay is computed and the factors that go in.

> >

> > 2) The procedure for finding out the reason for the twins having different

> > natures. What factors go into it while delineating the same.

> >

> > Can you and Krishnaji share the same, then atleast I can try to understand

> > how you are analyzing the same.

> >

> > Thanking you,

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>,

 

> > " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > >

> > > I am pressed for time, however I wanted to share something quickly.

> > >

> > > Another scenario also arises in which is can be ASSUMED that

> > >

> > > 1) The children were born 2 mins apart or 3 minutes apart

> > > AND

> > > 2) The offset or the noting down of time of the first twin was off by 5

> > or 6 minutes.

> > >

> > > So if you were to change the offset of the time of birth of the first

> > twin by 5/6 mins and keep the difference between the 2 children to be 2 mins

> > (i.e. accouding to both of your definition of child birth), what Krishna ji

> > is saying can still be possible.

> > >

> > > So we have 2 factors at play here.

> > >

> > > So if the first twin came out 5 to 6 mins earlier then one might have

> > navamsa lagna to be libra and the other to be virgo.

> > >

> > > Or in the other scenario, one can have virgo lagna and the other libra.

> > This scenario has not been studied in detail either.

> > >

> > > That said, both of you have not given the reason for delay or the

> > calculation?

> > >

> > > Can anyone give that and what factors does one attribute to the nature

> > difference?

> > >

> > > Why in one case the marriage is delayed by so much as compared to the

> > other one who was married earlier? What is the calculation of that and the

> > reason behind it?

> > >

> > > Cheers !!!

> > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> > >

> > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>,

 

> > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy,

> > > >

> > > > The point you have raised about the time gap between the two births is

> > > > perfectly valid for normal situations. I am talking about a situation

> > where

> > > > the doctor and the staff were not geared up for a twin birth and they

> > only

> > > > discovered it during the operation. I am only saying that under such

> > special

> > > > situations, the difference of 5-6 minutes could be possible. I could be

> > > > wrong. In any case, I am planning to talk to one of my cousins who is

> > > > pediatrician and a neo natal specialist and running a nursing home in

> > > > Bangalore about such a possibility. He has also worked in UK and

> > Australian

> > > > hospitals for 10-12 years before settling down in Bangalore. Last year

> > alone

> > > > his nursing home delivered about 500+ babies. I would like to take his

> > > > opinion is on this issue before concluding anything.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I have one observation on using SAD to make a call. Normally, to

> > deliniate a

> > > > chart, we look at MD-AD-PD and ignore SAD in most cases as we are not

> > sure

> > > > of the accuracy of birth time. However, when it comes to twins, the

> > tendency

> > > > is to totally depend on SAD and not give much importance to the other

> > three.

> > > > The level of accuracy of the birth times are no different in case of

> > twin

> > > > births. Hence, I wonder why we tend to work this way!

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Krishna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya@>wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishna,

> > > > >

> > > > > ///Hence, my guess that the doctor might not have not recorded the

> > time

> > > > > of birth of the first baby could well be correct!///

> > > > >

> > > > > As you saw on the video (if you watched it) the doctor pronounces

> > that

> > > > > the child is born, as soon as it's born. However he himself doesn't

> > > > > physically record the time. This is the responsibility (duty) of a

> > > > > trained nurse who must accurately record all information i.e. time of

> > > > > birth, baby's weight, length etc, etc.. Having been a nurse and aware

> > of

> > > > > the strict training involved, I'm confident that these same

> > procedures

> > > > > are adhered to throughout all hospitals world-wide.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > Mrs. Wendy

> > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > > > > ___

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <kmurthys58@<kmurthys58%40gmail.com

> > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya%

> > 40>>

> > > > > Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:53 PM

> > > > > Re: Re: A puzzling case of twins!

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, Ash ji, and All,

> > > > >

> > > > > Here are the details about the twins as promised by me:

> > > > >

> > > > > Both the parents visited me yesterday itself as they had to visit

> > > > > Bangalore

> > > > > for some urgent purchases. Here is the story:

> > > > >

> > > > > The mother told me that no one had an idea including the doctor that

> > she

> > > > > was

> > > > > carrying twins until they were actually born. Delivery was in a

> > hospital

> > > > > and

> > > > > through a C-Section. The lady said that she remembers the doctor

> > > > > exclaiming

> > > > > 'Oh! there is one more baby!' after picking up the first baby. That

> > was

> > > > > when

> > > > > they discovered it is a twin pregnancy. Hence, my guess that the

> > doctor

> > > > > might not have not recorded the time of birth of the first baby could

> > > > > well

> > > > > be correct! The lady also thought that the probability of such an

> > event

> > > > > is

> > > > > very high.

> > > > >

> > > > > They are not identical twins, are fraternal as there are some minor

> > > > > differences in their appearance according to the parents. They said

> > that

> > > > > only close family members can see the difference and most others

> > don't.

> > > > > Both

> > > > > of them were average students at school and used to score around the

> > same

> > > > > level. They only completed High School and did not go to college.

> > After

> > > > > their Metriculation they joined their family business. They run a

> > > > > jewellary

> > > > > show room. Currently, Both the parents and the two boys are all

> > involved

> > > > > actively in the business. I believe that both the boys do similar

> > tasks

> > > > > at

> > > > > work, no difference in their responsibilities. However, the lady

> > > > > mentioned

> > > > > that she notices some patches when the first boy is much more active

> > and

> > > > > the

> > > > > second one is relaxed and vice-versa often.

> > > > >

> > > > > I understand that there are some distinct behavioural differences

> > between

> > > > > them. The elder one is more mature, mingles with people, gives

> > respect to

> > > > > people and is discrete while saying something to others. However, the

> > > > > younger one is agressive and has a don't care attitude, does not

> > hesitate

> > > > > to

> > > > > speak his heart out. The younger one is more ambitious, comes out

> > with

> > > > > new

> > > > > ideas and presses his father to expand the business to a much bigger

> > > > > scale.

> > > > > The younger one is also learning to play guitar. The elder one has no

> > > > > such

> > > > > hobbies, both of them enjoy listening to music though. *These

> > attributes

> > > > > conirm my proposal that the elder one has Simha navamsha langa and

> > the

> > > > > younger one has Kanya navamsha lagna, by looking at the planets in

> > trines

> > > > > to

> > > > > them.

> > > > >

> > > > > *

> > > > > My analysis is as follows:

> > > > >

> > > > > *1. Elder Twin*

> > > > >

> > > > > Though 7L Jup is 12H in Rasi, the marriage happened quite early

> > because

> > > > > Jup

> > > > > occupies navamsha langa. Venus in well placed in Navamsha. Though 7L

> > in

> > > > > navamsha Saturn is in 6H, co-lord Rahu is exalted in Navamsha! The

> > boy

> > > > > got

> > > > > married in Jup-Sat period, which is understandable.

> > > > >

> > > > > *2. Younger Twin*

> > > > >

> > > > > 7L Jup is in 12H in Rasi, and for his bad luck same gets repeated in

> > > > > Navamsha (virgo navamsha lagna). So, the problem gets compounded.

> > There

> > > > > is a

> > > > > slim chance for marriage in Jup-Sun period as Sun and Rahu are in the

> > > > > same

> > > > > navamsha. I doubt if the marriage takes place during Jup-Moon as Moon

> > is

> > > > > debilitated in Navamsha and conjunct Ketu. Jup-Mars period is like

> > > > > Jup-Sun

> > > > > period offering slim chance as Mars is with Rahu in Rasi. However, if

> > he

> > > > > does not get married until Jup-Mars, I feel that all the hurdles will

> > be

> > > > > out

> > > > > of the way and he will definitely get married in Jup-Rah.

> > > > >

> > > > > I request learned members to share their opinion.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <

> > > > > kmurthys58@ <kmurthys58%40gmail.com>> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A few minutes back the father of the twins called me up and told me

> > > > > > that he

> > > > > > will be visiting Bangalore sometime next week and he will come and

> > meet

> > > > > > me.

> > > > > > I did manage to get a couple of details over the phone:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. Date of marriage of the elder twin - June 21, 2002

> > > > > > 2. Date of the birth of daughter for elder twin - June 24, 2004

> > > > > > 3. I understand that there is considerable difference in the

> > behavioral

> > > > > > pattern of the two boys. The father told me that the elder boy is

> > more

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > him and the younger one is more like the mother. However, as I

> > don't

> > > > > > know

> > > > > > this couple well, that does not ring anything in my mind.

> > > > > > 4. I asked him to tell me whether the difference in their birth

> > times

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > exactly 2 minutes or whether he feels it could be like 5-6 minutes.

> > He

> > > > > > mentioned that it is possible that it could be more than two

> > minutes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I will collect more details when I personally meet him.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Dear Krishna,

 

Which software are you using that gives Leo navamsa? Just curious.

Because I get only Virgo and Virgo.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

 

 

*1. Elder Twin*

>

> Virgo Rasi Lagna and Leo Navamsha Lagna.

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Dear Ravindramani,I had proposed a rectified time for the elder native around 23:14. This gives Leo Navamsha.Without taking this rectification, if one assumes that the clock at the hospital was about 5 mins ahead, could also give Leo navamsha lagna to the elder and Virgo Navamsha lagna to the younger. But this is only a speculation.

My analysis is based on the rectified time I proposed.Regards,KrishnaOn Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:21 AM, ravindramani <ravindramani wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Krishna,

 

Which software are you using that gives Leo navamsa? Just curious.

Because I get only Virgo and Virgo.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

 

*1. Elder Twin*

>

> Virgo Rasi Lagna and Leo Navamsha Lagna.

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Thankyou dear Krishna.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

 

 

>>>Dear Ravindramani, I had proposed a rectified time for the elder native

around 23:14. This gives Leo Navamsha.Without taking this ectification, if one

assumes that the clock at the hospital was about 5 mins ahead, could also give

Leo navamsha lagna to the elder and Virgo Navamsha lagna to the younger. But

this is only a speculation.My analysis is based on the rectified time I

proposed.Regards,Krishna>>>

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Dear Krishna ji,

 

Thank you very much for this post and your effort to explain to me your

approach. Now I do understand how you are approaching and the steps you are

following.

 

You have said that Ju in 12th house is not good in Rasi, but 12th house is 6th

from 7th house and own sign of Guru for virgo lagna?

 

Are you considering upchay position to be bad / malefic?

 

Can you shed some light on this.

 

Also one more point, when you say " considerable delay " , then how are u judging

that?

 

I very much appreciate your effort to explain to me.

 

Thanks,

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58

wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> I look at both Rasi and Navamsha for marrige. First looking at the 7L and

> Karaka for marriage both in Rasi and Navamsha one can see if there are

> adverse factors obstructing marriage or not based on that one can decide

> whether it is normal marriage or delayed marrige. Once, that is established,

> then I look for each AD in the corrsponding age range and evaluate whether a

> particular AD is capable of giving marriage or not.

>

> Following is the detailed evaluation for each of the twins:

>

> *1. Elder Twin*

>

> Virgo Rasi Lagna and Leo Navamsha Lagna.

> *

> Rasi Analysis:*

>

> a. 7L - Jupiter:

>

> - In a Neutral sign - No negative

> - With one of the Marriage makers (Rahu) - Good

> - Has Very good Shadbala - Very Good

> - No specific weakness like comb, sandhi, debilitation etc. - Good

> - Occupies 12H - Not good

> - Vargottama - Excellent

>

> b. Karaka for marriage - Jupiter:

>

> Same points as above

>

> c. Karaka for spouse - Venus:

>

> - Placed in a Neutral sign - no negative

> - Occupies 6H - Not Good

> - Has good Shadbala - Good

> - No specific weakness like comb, sandhi, debilitation etc. - Good

>

> *Navamsha Analysis:* (More important for marriage considerations)

>

> a. 7L - Saturn/ Rahu:

>

> - Saturn in own sign though in a dusthana - not bad

> - Rahu is exalted - Excellent

>

> b. Karaka Jupiter:

>

> *- Occupies Lgna - A great blessing that overcomes many negatives*

> - Occupies Neutral sign - No negative

>

> c. Karaka Venus:

>

> - In an enemy sign - Not Good

> - Occupies a Kona - Very Good

>

> Overall there are good positives in Navamsha that can overcome the the other

> negatives. Therefore, I don't foresee any delay in marriage.

>

> *Timing:*

>

> When the boy is around 21 years he is running Jup-Saturn period

>

> Saturn is 7L in Navamsha occupying own sign. Saturn has the primary ability

> to give marriage and hence marriage can take place in Jup-Saturn period.

>

> *

>

>

> 2. Younger Twin*

>

> Virgo Rasi Lagna and Virgo Navamsha Lagna.

> *

> Rasi Analysis:*

>

> Same like the elder twin

>

> *Navamsha Analysis:* (More important for marriage considerations)

>

> a. 7L - Jupiter:

>

> - Jupiter in dusthana - Not Good

> - Jupiter in Neutra sign - No negative

>

> b. Karaka Jupiter:

>

> - Jupiter in dusthana - Not Good

> - Jupiter in Neutra sign - No negative

>

> c. Karaka of spouse Venus:

>

> - In an enemy sign - Not Good

> - Occupies a dusthana - Not Good

>

> Clearly Navmsha offers many hurdles. Therefore, there will be considerable

> delay in marriage

>

> *Timing:*

>

> When the boy is around 28 years old the boy is running Jup - Ven period.

>

> Jup-Venus: Venus is very adversely placed in Navamsha and with Ketu in Rasi,

> will not give marriage

> Jup-Sun: Sun though not a primary marriage giving planet, is conjunt Rahu in

> Navamsha - Offers a mild possibility

> Jup-Moon: Deblitated in Navamsha and conjunct Ketu. Hence will not give

> marriage

> Jup-Mars: Mars though not a primary marriage giving planet is conjunct

> Jupiter and Rahu in Rasi - Offers a mild possibility

> Jup-Rahu: Rahu will undoubtedly give marriage if not happened until now.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

>

> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:15 PM, ashsam73 <kas wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Krishna ji,

> >

> > Can you give me how much delay you are considering for each planet or what

> > is the mathematical procedure for calculating the delay?

> >

> > For example, Sa in 7th house then how much delay would u take, or say Ra

> > aspecting 7th house or something like that then how much delay is there?

> >

> > Are you considering only Rasi to calculate the delay or are u using navamsa

> > as well, and if so what is the procedure you are following to come to the

> > proper delay.

> >

> > I think you can get the point that is not clear to me from your mail.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>,

> > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash ji,

> > >

> > > I think I have already given answers to both of your questions in one of

> > my

> > > earlier messages that I wrote after meeting the parents of the twins.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:36 PM, ashsam73 <kas@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishna ji and Mrs. Wendy,

> > > >

> > > > My take away knowledge that I am looking for from this exercise is to

> > > >

> > > > 1) Find out the procedure in how you and Krishnaji and others if they

> > would

> > > > like to share, on how the Delay is computed and the factors that go in.

> > > >

> > > > 2) The procedure for finding out the reason for the twins having

> > different

> > > > natures. What factors go into it while delineating the same.

> > > >

> > > > Can you and Krishnaji share the same, then atleast I can try to

> > understand

> > > > how you are analyzing the same.

> > > >

> > > > Thanking you,

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> > > >

> > > > jyotish-vidya

<jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya%

> > 40>,

> >

> > > > " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am pressed for time, however I wanted to share something quickly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Another scenario also arises in which is can be ASSUMED that

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) The children were born 2 mins apart or 3 minutes apart

> > > > > AND

> > > > > 2) The offset or the noting down of time of the first twin was off by

> > 5

> > > > or 6 minutes.

> > > > >

> > > > > So if you were to change the offset of the time of birth of the first

> > > > twin by 5/6 mins and keep the difference between the 2 children to be 2

> > mins

> > > > (i.e. accouding to both of your definition of child birth), what

> > Krishna ji

> > > > is saying can still be possible.

> > > > >

> > > > > So we have 2 factors at play here.

> > > > >

> > > > > So if the first twin came out 5 to 6 mins earlier then one might have

> > > > navamsa lagna to be libra and the other to be virgo.

> > > > >

> > > > > Or in the other scenario, one can have virgo lagna and the other

> > libra.

> > > > This scenario has not been studied in detail either.

> > > > >

> > > > > That said, both of you have not given the reason for delay or the

> > > > calculation?

> > > > >

> > > > > Can anyone give that and what factors does one attribute to the

> > nature

> > > > difference?

> > > > >

> > > > > Why in one case the marriage is delayed by so much as compared to the

> > > > other one who was married earlier? What is the calculation of that and

> > the

> > > > reason behind it?

> > > > >

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya%

> > 40>,

> >

> > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The point you have raised about the time gap between the two births

> > is

> > > > > > perfectly valid for normal situations. I am talking about a

> > situation

> > > > where

> > > > > > the doctor and the staff were not geared up for a twin birth and

> > they

> > > > only

> > > > > > discovered it during the operation. I am only saying that under

> > such

> > > > special

> > > > > > situations, the difference of 5-6 minutes could be possible. I

> > could be

> > > > > > wrong. In any case, I am planning to talk to one of my cousins who

> > is

> > > > > > pediatrician and a neo natal specialist and running a nursing home

> > in

> > > > > > Bangalore about such a possibility. He has also worked in UK and

> > > > Australian

> > > > > > hospitals for 10-12 years before settling down in Bangalore. Last

> > year

> > > > alone

> > > > > > his nursing home delivered about 500+ babies. I would like to take

> > his

> > > > > > opinion is on this issue before concluding anything.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have one observation on using SAD to make a call. Normally, to

> > > > deliniate a

> > > > > > chart, we look at MD-AD-PD and ignore SAD in most cases as we are

> > not

> > > > sure

> > > > > > of the accuracy of birth time. However, when it comes to twins, the

> > > > tendency

> > > > > > is to totally depend on SAD and not give much importance to the

> > other

> > > > three.

> > > > > > The level of accuracy of the birth times are no different in case

> > of

> > > > twin

> > > > > > births. Hence, I wonder why we tend to work this way!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya@>wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Krishna,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ///Hence, my guess that the doctor might not have not recorded

> > the

> > > > time

> > > > > > > of birth of the first baby could well be correct!///

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As you saw on the video (if you watched it) the doctor pronounces

> > > > that

> > > > > > > the child is born, as soon as it's born. However he himself

> > doesn't

> > > > > > > physically record the time. This is the responsibility (duty) of

> > a

> > > > > > > trained nurse who must accurately record all information i.e.

> > time of

> > > > > > > birth, baby's weight, length etc, etc.. Having been a nurse and

> > aware

> > > > of

> > > > > > > the strict training involved, I'm confident that these same

> > > > procedures

> > > > > > > are adhered to throughout all hospitals world-wide.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy

> > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > > > > > > ___

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <kmurthys58@<kmurthys58%

> > 40gmail.com

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To:

<jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya%

> > 40><jyotish-vidya%

> > > > 40>>

> > > > > > > Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:53 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Re: A puzzling case of twins!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, Ash ji, and All,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here are the details about the twins as promised by me:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Both the parents visited me yesterday itself as they had to visit

> > > > > > > Bangalore

> > > > > > > for some urgent purchases. Here is the story:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The mother told me that no one had an idea including the doctor

> > that

> > > > she

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > carrying twins until they were actually born. Delivery was in a

> > > > hospital

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > through a C-Section. The lady said that she remembers the doctor

> > > > > > > exclaiming

> > > > > > > 'Oh! there is one more baby!' after picking up the first baby.

> > That

> > > > was

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > they discovered it is a twin pregnancy. Hence, my guess that the

> > > > doctor

> > > > > > > might not have not recorded the time of birth of the first baby

> > could

> > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > be correct! The lady also thought that the probability of such an

> > > > event

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > very high.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > They are not identical twins, are fraternal as there are some

> > minor

> > > > > > > differences in their appearance according to the parents. They

> > said

> > > > that

> > > > > > > only close family members can see the difference and most others

> > > > don't.

> > > > > > > Both

> > > > > > > of them were average students at school and used to score around

> > the

> > > > same

> > > > > > > level. They only completed High School and did not go to college.

> > > > After

> > > > > > > their Metriculation they joined their family business. They run a

> > > > > > > jewellary

> > > > > > > show room. Currently, Both the parents and the two boys are all

> > > > involved

> > > > > > > actively in the business. I believe that both the boys do similar

> > > > tasks

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > work, no difference in their responsibilities. However, the lady

> > > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > that she notices some patches when the first boy is much more

> > active

> > > > and

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > second one is relaxed and vice-versa often.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I understand that there are some distinct behavioural differences

> > > > between

> > > > > > > them. The elder one is more mature, mingles with people, gives

> > > > respect to

> > > > > > > people and is discrete while saying something to others. However,

> > the

> > > > > > > younger one is agressive and has a don't care attitude, does not

> > > > hesitate

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > speak his heart out. The younger one is more ambitious, comes out

> > > > with

> > > > > > > new

> > > > > > > ideas and presses his father to expand the business to a much

> > bigger

> > > > > > > scale.

> > > > > > > The younger one is also learning to play guitar. The elder one

> > has no

> > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > hobbies, both of them enjoy listening to music though. *These

> > > > attributes

> > > > > > > conirm my proposal that the elder one has Simha navamsha langa

> > and

> > > > the

> > > > > > > younger one has Kanya navamsha lagna, by looking at the planets

> > in

> > > > trines

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *

> > > > > > > My analysis is as follows:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *1. Elder Twin*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Though 7L Jup is 12H in Rasi, the marriage happened quite early

> > > > because

> > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > occupies navamsha langa. Venus in well placed in Navamsha. Though

> > 7L

> > > > in

> > > > > > > navamsha Saturn is in 6H, co-lord Rahu is exalted in Navamsha!

> > The

> > > > boy

> > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > married in Jup-Sat period, which is understandable.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *2. Younger Twin*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 7L Jup is in 12H in Rasi, and for his bad luck same gets repeated

> > in

> > > > > > > Navamsha (virgo navamsha lagna). So, the problem gets compounded.

> > > > There

> > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > slim chance for marriage in Jup-Sun period as Sun and Rahu are in

> > the

> > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > navamsha. I doubt if the marriage takes place during Jup-Moon as

> > Moon

> > > > is

> > > > > > > debilitated in Navamsha and conjunct Ketu. Jup-Mars period is

> > like

> > > > > > > Jup-Sun

> > > > > > > period offering slim chance as Mars is with Rahu in Rasi.

> > However, if

> > > > he

> > > > > > > does not get married until Jup-Mars, I feel that all the hurdles

> > will

> > > > be

> > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > of the way and he will definitely get married in Jup-Rah.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I request learned members to share their opinion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <

> > > > > > > kmurthys58@ <kmurthys58%40gmail.com>> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A few minutes back the father of the twins called me up and

> > told me

> > > > > > > > that he

> > > > > > > > will be visiting Bangalore sometime next week and he will come

> > and

> > > > meet

> > > > > > > > me.

> > > > > > > > I did manage to get a couple of details over the phone:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. Date of marriage of the elder twin - June 21, 2002

> > > > > > > > 2. Date of the birth of daughter for elder twin - June 24, 2004

> > > > > > > > 3. I understand that there is considerable difference in the

> > > > behavioral

> > > > > > > > pattern of the two boys. The father told me that the elder boy

> > is

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > him and the younger one is more like the mother. However, as I

> > > > don't

> > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > this couple well, that does not ring anything in my mind.

> > > > > > > > 4. I asked him to tell me whether the difference in their birth

> > > > times

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > exactly 2 minutes or whether he feels it could be like 5-6

> > minutes.

> > > > He

> > > > > > > > mentioned that it is possible that it could be more than two

> > > > minutes.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I will collect more details when I personally meet him.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Dear Mrs Wendy,

 

Getting result is a different topic.

 

I am just focussing on the approach. I just want to make sure that i have

understood your explanation correctly?

 

If I have understod you correctly then 12th house and 8th house in the case of

ALL brothers/sisters and or twins should show identical results atleast for

major events regarding father. Same for mother and relative etc etc.

 

If I have understood you clearly, then my query is answered.

 

Thanks and your replies are appreciated.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> ///Do you mean to say then that if you take the elder twin, then you must

> study

> the father from 8th house and if you take the chart of younger twin then

> you

> should study father from 12th house?///

>

> In this instance we get the same result, do we not?

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

>

> -

> " Ash's Corner " <kas

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:54 AM

> RE: Re: A puzzling case of twins!

>

>

> Dear Mrs Wendy,

>

> 10th from 11th is 8th house. 10th from 3rd is 12th house. You get 2

> different house for father.

>

> Do you mean to say then that if you take the elder twin, then you must

> study

> the father from 8th house and if you take the chart of younger twin then

> you

> should study father from 12th house?

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

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Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

Thanks for your mail.

 

So if I am summarizing correctly, the sign being Cancer and Scorpio was a

generalized statement and deeper analysis is required to get to pin point

judgement.

 

Yes, I agree that both are in 5:9 (signs) and share the same navamsa lords as

well and both are water signs etc etc as you have said.

 

Thanks,

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> ///Can a person with Cancer lagna be very cruel and not soft and a person

> with scorpio lagna be a gentle person and not necesarily more aggressive?

> Is this a generalization i.e being Scorpio means one is more aggressive

> as its ruled by Ma and on the other hand if its Cancer then one is more

> gentle as its ruled by Moon? That would be akin to saying that all the

> Scorpios are more firey and martials and all the Cancer lagnas people are

> gentle? Which I am sure, you know that is not always true? Then how do

> we confirm this?///

>

> As I'm sure you (also) know the characteristics of each sign are in

> general terms only. However, without doubt, there are recognisable

> differences between the signs, and (again) we both know that...

>

> For Cancer/Scorpio there are also similarities. For instance both are

> water signs, expressing kapha dosha.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

>

> -

> " ashsam73 " <kas

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Thursday, May 14, 2009 2:13 AM

> Re: A puzzling case of twins!

>

>

> Dear Mrs. Wendy,

>

> I do not require the shlokes, so please do not worry about digging it up.

> What I want to understand is the approach. Yes, i do know the bhavat

> bhatam principle, but with that, it still does not give me the answer, as

> to what does the lagna show?

>

> From Lagna what do we see, and from 11th/3rd house what do we see, and

> should we do that for all the charts or only in case, if we are unable to

> get the answer as all other things are same like lagna, navamsa etc, then

> we can resort to bhavat bhatam?

>

> What would the navamsa shows if it were to be different? Can a person

> with Cancer lagna be very cruel and not soft and a person with scorpio

> lagna be a gentle person and not necesarily more aggressive? Is this a

> generalization i.e being Scorpio means one is more aggressive as its

> ruled by Ma and on the other hand if its Cancer then one is more gentle

> as its ruled by Moon? That would be akin to saying that all the Scorpios

> are more firey and martials and all the Cancer lagnas people are gentle?

> Which I am sure, you know that is not always true? Then how do we

> confirm this?

>

> Thanks,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

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Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

Do you also analysis the chart in the same way as Krishna ji has approach the

chart?

 

Can you also give the approach you have taken for timing of event and the

computation of delay like Krishna ji has given.

 

That will be good exercise for all list members to see the different approaches

in crystal clear manner.

 

Please do so when you get a chance.

 

Thanks,

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58

wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> I look at both Rasi and Navamsha for marrige. First looking at the 7L and

> Karaka for marriage both in Rasi and Navamsha one can see if there are

> adverse factors obstructing marriage or not based on that one can decide

> whether it is normal marriage or delayed marrige. Once, that is established,

> then I look for each AD in the corrsponding age range and evaluate whether a

> particular AD is capable of giving marriage or not.

>

> Following is the detailed evaluation for each of the twins:

>

> *1. Elder Twin*

>

> Virgo Rasi Lagna and Leo Navamsha Lagna.

> *

> Rasi Analysis:*

>

> a. 7L - Jupiter:

>

> - In a Neutral sign - No negative

> - With one of the Marriage makers (Rahu) - Good

> - Has Very good Shadbala - Very Good

> - No specific weakness like comb, sandhi, debilitation etc. - Good

> - Occupies 12H - Not good

> - Vargottama - Excellent

>

> b. Karaka for marriage - Jupiter:

>

> Same points as above

>

> c. Karaka for spouse - Venus:

>

> - Placed in a Neutral sign - no negative

> - Occupies 6H - Not Good

> - Has good Shadbala - Good

> - No specific weakness like comb, sandhi, debilitation etc. - Good

>

> *Navamsha Analysis:* (More important for marriage considerations)

>

> a. 7L - Saturn/ Rahu:

>

> - Saturn in own sign though in a dusthana - not bad

> - Rahu is exalted - Excellent

>

> b. Karaka Jupiter:

>

> *- Occupies Lgna - A great blessing that overcomes many negatives*

> - Occupies Neutral sign - No negative

>

> c. Karaka Venus:

>

> - In an enemy sign - Not Good

> - Occupies a Kona - Very Good

>

> Overall there are good positives in Navamsha that can overcome the the other

> negatives. Therefore, I don't foresee any delay in marriage.

>

> *Timing:*

>

> When the boy is around 21 years he is running Jup-Saturn period

>

> Saturn is 7L in Navamsha occupying own sign. Saturn has the primary ability

> to give marriage and hence marriage can take place in Jup-Saturn period.

>

> *

>

>

> 2. Younger Twin*

>

> Virgo Rasi Lagna and Virgo Navamsha Lagna.

> *

> Rasi Analysis:*

>

> Same like the elder twin

>

> *Navamsha Analysis:* (More important for marriage considerations)

>

> a. 7L - Jupiter:

>

> - Jupiter in dusthana - Not Good

> - Jupiter in Neutra sign - No negative

>

> b. Karaka Jupiter:

>

> - Jupiter in dusthana - Not Good

> - Jupiter in Neutra sign - No negative

>

> c. Karaka of spouse Venus:

>

> - In an enemy sign - Not Good

> - Occupies a dusthana - Not Good

>

> Clearly Navmsha offers many hurdles. Therefore, there will be considerable

> delay in marriage

>

> *Timing:*

>

> When the boy is around 28 years old the boy is running Jup - Ven period.

>

> Jup-Venus: Venus is very adversely placed in Navamsha and with Ketu in Rasi,

> will not give marriage

> Jup-Sun: Sun though not a primary marriage giving planet, is conjunt Rahu in

> Navamsha - Offers a mild possibility

> Jup-Moon: Deblitated in Navamsha and conjunct Ketu. Hence will not give

> marriage

> Jup-Mars: Mars though not a primary marriage giving planet is conjunct

> Jupiter and Rahu in Rasi - Offers a mild possibility

> Jup-Rahu: Rahu will undoubtedly give marriage if not happened until now.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

>

> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:15 PM, ashsam73 <kas wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Krishna ji,

> >

> > Can you give me how much delay you are considering for each planet or what

> > is the mathematical procedure for calculating the delay?

> >

> > For example, Sa in 7th house then how much delay would u take, or say Ra

> > aspecting 7th house or something like that then how much delay is there?

> >

> > Are you considering only Rasi to calculate the delay or are u using navamsa

> > as well, and if so what is the procedure you are following to come to the

> > proper delay.

> >

> > I think you can get the point that is not clear to me from your mail.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>,

> > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash ji,

> > >

> > > I think I have already given answers to both of your questions in one of

> > my

> > > earlier messages that I wrote after meeting the parents of the twins.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:36 PM, ashsam73 <kas@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishna ji and Mrs. Wendy,

> > > >

> > > > My take away knowledge that I am looking for from this exercise is to

> > > >

> > > > 1) Find out the procedure in how you and Krishnaji and others if they

> > would

> > > > like to share, on how the Delay is computed and the factors that go in.

> > > >

> > > > 2) The procedure for finding out the reason for the twins having

> > different

> > > > natures. What factors go into it while delineating the same.

> > > >

> > > > Can you and Krishnaji share the same, then atleast I can try to

> > understand

> > > > how you are analyzing the same.

> > > >

> > > > Thanking you,

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> > > >

> > > > jyotish-vidya

<jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya%

> > 40>,

> >

> > > > " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am pressed for time, however I wanted to share something quickly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Another scenario also arises in which is can be ASSUMED that

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) The children were born 2 mins apart or 3 minutes apart

> > > > > AND

> > > > > 2) The offset or the noting down of time of the first twin was off by

> > 5

> > > > or 6 minutes.

> > > > >

> > > > > So if you were to change the offset of the time of birth of the first

> > > > twin by 5/6 mins and keep the difference between the 2 children to be 2

> > mins

> > > > (i.e. accouding to both of your definition of child birth), what

> > Krishna ji

> > > > is saying can still be possible.

> > > > >

> > > > > So we have 2 factors at play here.

> > > > >

> > > > > So if the first twin came out 5 to 6 mins earlier then one might have

> > > > navamsa lagna to be libra and the other to be virgo.

> > > > >

> > > > > Or in the other scenario, one can have virgo lagna and the other

> > libra.

> > > > This scenario has not been studied in detail either.

> > > > >

> > > > > That said, both of you have not given the reason for delay or the

> > > > calculation?

> > > > >

> > > > > Can anyone give that and what factors does one attribute to the

> > nature

> > > > difference?

> > > > >

> > > > > Why in one case the marriage is delayed by so much as compared to the

> > > > other one who was married earlier? What is the calculation of that and

> > the

> > > > reason behind it?

> > > > >

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya%

> > 40>,

> >

> > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The point you have raised about the time gap between the two births

> > is

> > > > > > perfectly valid for normal situations. I am talking about a

> > situation

> > > > where

> > > > > > the doctor and the staff were not geared up for a twin birth and

> > they

> > > > only

> > > > > > discovered it during the operation. I am only saying that under

> > such

> > > > special

> > > > > > situations, the difference of 5-6 minutes could be possible. I

> > could be

> > > > > > wrong. In any case, I am planning to talk to one of my cousins who

> > is

> > > > > > pediatrician and a neo natal specialist and running a nursing home

> > in

> > > > > > Bangalore about such a possibility. He has also worked in UK and

> > > > Australian

> > > > > > hospitals for 10-12 years before settling down in Bangalore. Last

> > year

> > > > alone

> > > > > > his nursing home delivered about 500+ babies. I would like to take

> > his

> > > > > > opinion is on this issue before concluding anything.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have one observation on using SAD to make a call. Normally, to

> > > > deliniate a

> > > > > > chart, we look at MD-AD-PD and ignore SAD in most cases as we are

> > not

> > > > sure

> > > > > > of the accuracy of birth time. However, when it comes to twins, the

> > > > tendency

> > > > > > is to totally depend on SAD and not give much importance to the

> > other

> > > > three.

> > > > > > The level of accuracy of the birth times are no different in case

> > of

> > > > twin

> > > > > > births. Hence, I wonder why we tend to work this way!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya@>wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Krishna,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ///Hence, my guess that the doctor might not have not recorded

> > the

> > > > time

> > > > > > > of birth of the first baby could well be correct!///

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As you saw on the video (if you watched it) the doctor pronounces

> > > > that

> > > > > > > the child is born, as soon as it's born. However he himself

> > doesn't

> > > > > > > physically record the time. This is the responsibility (duty) of

> > a

> > > > > > > trained nurse who must accurately record all information i.e.

> > time of

> > > > > > > birth, baby's weight, length etc, etc.. Having been a nurse and

> > aware

> > > > of

> > > > > > > the strict training involved, I'm confident that these same

> > > > procedures

> > > > > > > are adhered to throughout all hospitals world-wide.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy

> > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > > > > > > ___

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <kmurthys58@<kmurthys58%

> > 40gmail.com

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > To:

<jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya%

> > 40><jyotish-vidya%

> > > > 40>>

> > > > > > > Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:53 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Re: A puzzling case of twins!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, Ash ji, and All,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here are the details about the twins as promised by me:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Both the parents visited me yesterday itself as they had to visit

> > > > > > > Bangalore

> > > > > > > for some urgent purchases. Here is the story:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The mother told me that no one had an idea including the doctor

> > that

> > > > she

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > carrying twins until they were actually born. Delivery was in a

> > > > hospital

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > through a C-Section. The lady said that she remembers the doctor

> > > > > > > exclaiming

> > > > > > > 'Oh! there is one more baby!' after picking up the first baby.

> > That

> > > > was

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > they discovered it is a twin pregnancy. Hence, my guess that the

> > > > doctor

> > > > > > > might not have not recorded the time of birth of the first baby

> > could

> > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > be correct! The lady also thought that the probability of such an

> > > > event

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > very high.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > They are not identical twins, are fraternal as there are some

> > minor

> > > > > > > differences in their appearance according to the parents. They

> > said

> > > > that

> > > > > > > only close family members can see the difference and most others

> > > > don't.

> > > > > > > Both

> > > > > > > of them were average students at school and used to score around

> > the

> > > > same

> > > > > > > level. They only completed High School and did not go to college.

> > > > After

> > > > > > > their Metriculation they joined their family business. They run a

> > > > > > > jewellary

> > > > > > > show room. Currently, Both the parents and the two boys are all

> > > > involved

> > > > > > > actively in the business. I believe that both the boys do similar

> > > > tasks

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > work, no difference in their responsibilities. However, the lady

> > > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > that she notices some patches when the first boy is much more

> > active

> > > > and

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > second one is relaxed and vice-versa often.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I understand that there are some distinct behavioural differences

> > > > between

> > > > > > > them. The elder one is more mature, mingles with people, gives

> > > > respect to

> > > > > > > people and is discrete while saying something to others. However,

> > the

> > > > > > > younger one is agressive and has a don't care attitude, does not

> > > > hesitate

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > speak his heart out. The younger one is more ambitious, comes out

> > > > with

> > > > > > > new

> > > > > > > ideas and presses his father to expand the business to a much

> > bigger

> > > > > > > scale.

> > > > > > > The younger one is also learning to play guitar. The elder one

> > has no

> > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > hobbies, both of them enjoy listening to music though. *These

> > > > attributes

> > > > > > > conirm my proposal that the elder one has Simha navamsha langa

> > and

> > > > the

> > > > > > > younger one has Kanya navamsha lagna, by looking at the planets

> > in

> > > > trines

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *

> > > > > > > My analysis is as follows:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *1. Elder Twin*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Though 7L Jup is 12H in Rasi, the marriage happened quite early

> > > > because

> > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > occupies navamsha langa. Venus in well placed in Navamsha. Though

> > 7L

> > > > in

> > > > > > > navamsha Saturn is in 6H, co-lord Rahu is exalted in Navamsha!

> > The

> > > > boy

> > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > married in Jup-Sat period, which is understandable.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *2. Younger Twin*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 7L Jup is in 12H in Rasi, and for his bad luck same gets repeated

> > in

> > > > > > > Navamsha (virgo navamsha lagna). So, the problem gets compounded.

> > > > There

> > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > slim chance for marriage in Jup-Sun period as Sun and Rahu are in

> > the

> > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > navamsha. I doubt if the marriage takes place during Jup-Moon as

> > Moon

> > > > is

> > > > > > > debilitated in Navamsha and conjunct Ketu. Jup-Mars period is

> > like

> > > > > > > Jup-Sun

> > > > > > > period offering slim chance as Mars is with Rahu in Rasi.

> > However, if

> > > > he

> > > > > > > does not get married until Jup-Mars, I feel that all the hurdles

> > will

> > > > be

> > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > of the way and he will definitely get married in Jup-Rah.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I request learned members to share their opinion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <

> > > > > > > kmurthys58@ <kmurthys58%40gmail.com>> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A few minutes back the father of the twins called me up and

> > told me

> > > > > > > > that he

> > > > > > > > will be visiting Bangalore sometime next week and he will come

> > and

> > > > meet

> > > > > > > > me.

> > > > > > > > I did manage to get a couple of details over the phone:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. Date of marriage of the elder twin - June 21, 2002

> > > > > > > > 2. Date of the birth of daughter for elder twin - June 24, 2004

> > > > > > > > 3. I understand that there is considerable difference in the

> > > > behavioral

> > > > > > > > pattern of the two boys. The father told me that the elder boy

> > is

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > him and the younger one is more like the mother. However, as I

> > > > don't

> > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > this couple well, that does not ring anything in my mind.

> > > > > > > > 4. I asked him to tell me whether the difference in their birth

> > > > times

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > exactly 2 minutes or whether he feels it could be like 5-6

> > minutes.

> > > > He

> > > > > > > > mentioned that it is possible that it could be more than two

> > > > minutes.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I will collect more details when I personally meet him.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Dear Ash,

 

As per my earlier mails, timing of events are through vimsottari dasa

system, and, as I have no solid evidence to support the assumption that

the T.O.B. (recorded on original horoscope) needs to be rectified, both

have Virgo navamsha.

 

Since navamsha is the same for both, it's even more important to consider

the four operating dasas.

 

My conclusions were given in earlier mails.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:06 PM

Re: A puzzling case of twins!

 

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

Do you also analysis the chart in the same way as Krishna ji has approach

the chart?

 

Can you also give the approach you have taken for timing of event and the

computation of delay like Krishna ji has given.

 

That will be good exercise for all list members to see the different

approaches in crystal clear manner.

 

Please do so when you get a chance.

 

Thanks,

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

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Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

Yes, I had read your analysis earlier, however, the detail on how you have

quantified the delay is not clear.

 

Using 4 or 5 level of dasha, would surely at some level get some md/ad/pd/sd

which if favourable as probability go up, then when such a dasha (4 levels)

along with transits match, will the native marry.

 

So if there was a proper Md/ad/pd/sd after the elder twin got married, then the

younger one should get married, so in this case, as per you analysis, there was

no md/ad/pd/sd that was strong so that would " quantify " delay.

 

Have I understood your approach clearly?

 

Please let me know. I have understood or I think I have understood Krishna ji's

approach, my effort is to undrestand yours.

 

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> As per my earlier mails, timing of events are through vimsottari dasa

> system, and, as I have no solid evidence to support the assumption that

> the T.O.B. (recorded on original horoscope) needs to be rectified, both

> have Virgo navamsha.

>

> Since navamsha is the same for both, it's even more important to consider

> the four operating dasas.

>

> My conclusions were given in earlier mails.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

>

> -

> " ashsam73 " <kas

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:06 PM

> Re: A puzzling case of twins!

>

>

> Dear Mrs. Wendy,

>

> Do you also analysis the chart in the same way as Krishna ji has approach

> the chart?

>

> Can you also give the approach you have taken for timing of event and the

> computation of delay like Krishna ji has given.

>

> That will be good exercise for all list members to see the different

> approaches in crystal clear manner.

>

> Please do so when you get a chance.

>

> Thanks,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

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Dear Mrs. Wendy,

 

Yes, I had read your analysis earlier, however, the detail on how you have

quantified the delay is not clear.

 

Using 4 or 5 level of dasha, would surely at some level get some md/ad/pd/sd

which if favourable as probability go up, then when such a dasha (4 levels)

along with transits match, will the native marry.

 

So if there was a proper Md/ad/pd/sd after the elder twin got married, then the

younger one should get married, so in this case, as per you analysis, there was

no md/ad/pd/sd that was strong so that would " quantify " delay.

 

Have I understood your approach clearly?

 

Please let me know. I have understood or I think I have understood Krishna ji's

approach, my effort is to undrestand yours.

 

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

jyotish-vidya , " Mrs. Wendy " <jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> As per my earlier mails, timing of events are through vimsottari dasa

> system, and, as I have no solid evidence to support the assumption that

> the T.O.B. (recorded on original horoscope) needs to be rectified, both

> have Virgo navamsha.

>

> Since navamsha is the same for both, it's even more important to consider

> the four operating dasas.

>

> My conclusions were given in earlier mails.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

>

> -

> " ashsam73 " <kas

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:06 PM

> Re: A puzzling case of twins!

>

>

> Dear Mrs. Wendy,

>

> Do you also analysis the chart in the same way as Krishna ji has approach

> the chart?

>

> Can you also give the approach you have taken for timing of event and the

> computation of delay like Krishna ji has given.

>

> That will be good exercise for all list members to see the different

> approaches in crystal clear manner.

>

> Please do so when you get a chance.

>

> Thanks,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

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Dear Ash,

 

///If I have understod you correctly then 12th house and 8th house in the

case of ALL brothers/sisters and or twins should show identical results

atleast for major events regarding father. Same for mother and relative

etc etc.///

 

Your correct to say " at least for major events regarding father " . Let me

try to clarify this, if I can :-)

 

In the chart under discussion we know, from what Krishna told us, that

both are closely involved with their father (and mother) on a daily basis

due to their involvement in the family business. Hence we see this

reflected in their horoscope, even considering father from 3rd/11th

bhavas...ultimately the outcome is the same, is it not?

 

Here I have another example of twins, born just a few minutes apart...see

charts here http://jyotishvidya.com/twins.htm

 

In this instance the twins have been estranged from their father due to

divorce. However, during Jupiter dasa, the youngest (Sarah) did live with

her father for some time. Note 10th from 3rd holds swakshetra Jupiter.

 

The eldest (Shaun) was living with his father for awhile just a month or

two ago. He's running dasa of 10th lord Saturn who happens to occupy 10th

from 11th.

 

For both, of course, 10th lord Saturn inimically placed in 8th, has

resulted in long separations from their father and the relationship

(generally) is not good.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:55 PM

Re: A puzzling case of twins!

 

 

Dear Mrs Wendy,

 

Getting result is a different topic.

 

I am just focussing on the approach. I just want to make sure that i

have understood your explanation correctly?

 

If I have understod you correctly then 12th house and 8th house in the

case of ALL brothers/sisters and or twins should show identical results

atleast for major events regarding father. Same for mother and relative

etc etc.

 

If I have understood you clearly, then my query is answered.

 

Thanks and your replies are appreciated.

 

Cheers !!!

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Dear Ash ji,>>You have said that Ju in 12th house is not good in Rasi, but 12th house

is 6th from 7th house and own sign of Guru for virgo lagna?I am not able to understand what you are trying to convey here. Why are you saying that 12th house is own sign for Guru for virgo lagna?>>

Are you considering upchay position to be bad / malefic?No, not really for this purpose>>Also one more point, when you say " considerable delay " , then how are u judging that?I wish I had a precise mathematical answer for your question :-) Considerable delay for me means in the range of 30 years. However, to be on the safer side I started looking for a favorable period 28 years onwards.

Regards,KrishnaOn Thu, May 14, 2009 at 5:20 PM, ashsam73 <kas wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Krishna ji,

 

Thank you very much for this post and your effort to explain to me your approach. Now I do understand how you are approaching and the steps you are following.

 

You have said that Ju in 12th house is not good in Rasi, but 12th house is 6th from 7th house and own sign of Guru for virgo lagna?

 

Are you considering upchay position to be bad / malefic?

 

Can you shed some light on this.

 

Also one more point, when you say " considerable delay " , then how are u judging that?

 

I very much appreciate your effort to explain to me.

 

Thanks,

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote:

>

> Dear Ash,

>

> I look at both Rasi and Navamsha for marrige. First looking at the 7L and

> Karaka for marriage both in Rasi and Navamsha one can see if there are

> adverse factors obstructing marriage or not based on that one can decide

> whether it is normal marriage or delayed marrige. Once, that is established,

> then I look for each AD in the corrsponding age range and evaluate whether a

> particular AD is capable of giving marriage or not.

>

> Following is the detailed evaluation for each of the twins:

>

> *1. Elder Twin*

>

> Virgo Rasi Lagna and Leo Navamsha Lagna.

> *

> Rasi Analysis:*

>

> a. 7L - Jupiter:

>

> - In a Neutral sign - No negative

> - With one of the Marriage makers (Rahu) - Good

> - Has Very good Shadbala - Very Good

> - No specific weakness like comb, sandhi, debilitation etc. - Good

> - Occupies 12H - Not good

> - Vargottama - Excellent

>

> b. Karaka for marriage - Jupiter:

>

> Same points as above

>

> c. Karaka for spouse - Venus:

>

> - Placed in a Neutral sign - no negative

> - Occupies 6H - Not Good

> - Has good Shadbala - Good

> - No specific weakness like comb, sandhi, debilitation etc. - Good

>

> *Navamsha Analysis:* (More important for marriage considerations)

>

> a. 7L - Saturn/ Rahu:

>

> - Saturn in own sign though in a dusthana - not bad

> - Rahu is exalted - Excellent

>

> b. Karaka Jupiter:

>

> *- Occupies Lgna - A great blessing that overcomes many negatives*

> - Occupies Neutral sign - No negative

>

> c. Karaka Venus:

>

> - In an enemy sign - Not Good

> - Occupies a Kona - Very Good

>

> Overall there are good positives in Navamsha that can overcome the the other

> negatives. Therefore, I don't foresee any delay in marriage.

>

> *Timing:*

>

> When the boy is around 21 years he is running Jup-Saturn period

>

> Saturn is 7L in Navamsha occupying own sign. Saturn has the primary ability

> to give marriage and hence marriage can take place in Jup-Saturn period.

>

> *

>

>

> 2. Younger Twin*

>

> Virgo Rasi Lagna and Virgo Navamsha Lagna.

> *

> Rasi Analysis:*

>

> Same like the elder twin

>

> *Navamsha Analysis:* (More important for marriage considerations)

>

> a. 7L - Jupiter:

>

> - Jupiter in dusthana - Not Good

> - Jupiter in Neutra sign - No negative

>

> b. Karaka Jupiter:

>

> - Jupiter in dusthana - Not Good

> - Jupiter in Neutra sign - No negative

>

> c. Karaka of spouse Venus:

>

> - In an enemy sign - Not Good

> - Occupies a dusthana - Not Good

>

> Clearly Navmsha offers many hurdles. Therefore, there will be considerable

> delay in marriage

>

> *Timing:*

>

> When the boy is around 28 years old the boy is running Jup - Ven period.

>

> Jup-Venus: Venus is very adversely placed in Navamsha and with Ketu in Rasi,

> will not give marriage

> Jup-Sun: Sun though not a primary marriage giving planet, is conjunt Rahu in

> Navamsha - Offers a mild possibility

> Jup-Moon: Deblitated in Navamsha and conjunct Ketu. Hence will not give

> marriage

> Jup-Mars: Mars though not a primary marriage giving planet is conjunct

> Jupiter and Rahu in Rasi - Offers a mild possibility

> Jup-Rahu: Rahu will undoubtedly give marriage if not happened until now.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

>

> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:15 PM, ashsam73 <kas wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Krishna ji,

> >

> > Can you give me how much delay you are considering for each planet or what

> > is the mathematical procedure for calculating the delay?

> >

> > For example, Sa in 7th house then how much delay would u take, or say Ra

> > aspecting 7th house or something like that then how much delay is there?

> >

> > Are you considering only Rasi to calculate the delay or are u using navamsa

> > as well, and if so what is the procedure you are following to come to the

> > proper delay.

> >

> > I think you can get the point that is not clear to me from your mail.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>,

> > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash ji,

> > >

> > > I think I have already given answers to both of your questions in one of

> > my

> > > earlier messages that I wrote after meeting the parents of the twins.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:36 PM, ashsam73 <kas@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishna ji and Mrs. Wendy,

> > > >

> > > > My take away knowledge that I am looking for from this exercise is to

> > > >

> > > > 1) Find out the procedure in how you and Krishnaji and others if they

> > would

> > > > like to share, on how the Delay is computed and the factors that go in.

> > > >

> > > > 2) The procedure for finding out the reason for the twins having

> > different

> > > > natures. What factors go into it while delineating the same.

> > > >

> > > > Can you and Krishnaji share the same, then atleast I can try to

> > understand

> > > > how you are analyzing the same.

> > > >

> > > > Thanking you,

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> > > >

> > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya%

 

> > 40>,

> >

> > > > " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am pressed for time, however I wanted to share something quickly.

> > > > >

> > > > > Another scenario also arises in which is can be ASSUMED that

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) The children were born 2 mins apart or 3 minutes apart

> > > > > AND

> > > > > 2) The offset or the noting down of time of the first twin was off by

> > 5

> > > > or 6 minutes.

> > > > >

> > > > > So if you were to change the offset of the time of birth of the first

> > > > twin by 5/6 mins and keep the difference between the 2 children to be 2

> > mins

> > > > (i.e. accouding to both of your definition of child birth), what

> > Krishna ji

> > > > is saying can still be possible.

> > > > >

> > > > > So we have 2 factors at play here.

> > > > >

> > > > > So if the first twin came out 5 to 6 mins earlier then one might have

> > > > navamsa lagna to be libra and the other to be virgo.

> > > > >

> > > > > Or in the other scenario, one can have virgo lagna and the other

> > libra.

> > > > This scenario has not been studied in detail either.

> > > > >

> > > > > That said, both of you have not given the reason for delay or the

> > > > calculation?

> > > > >

> > > > > Can anyone give that and what factors does one attribute to the

> > nature

> > > > difference?

> > > > >

> > > > > Why in one case the marriage is delayed by so much as compared to the

> > > > other one who was married earlier? What is the calculation of that and

> > the

> > > > reason behind it?

> > > > >

> > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> > > > >

> > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya%

 

> > 40>,

> >

> > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The point you have raised about the time gap between the two births

> > is

> > > > > > perfectly valid for normal situations. I am talking about a

> > situation

> > > > where

> > > > > > the doctor and the staff were not geared up for a twin birth and

> > they

> > > > only

> > > > > > discovered it during the operation. I am only saying that under

> > such

> > > > special

> > > > > > situations, the difference of 5-6 minutes could be possible. I

> > could be

> > > > > > wrong. In any case, I am planning to talk to one of my cousins who

> > is

> > > > > > pediatrician and a neo natal specialist and running a nursing home

> > in

> > > > > > Bangalore about such a possibility. He has also worked in UK and

> > > > Australian

> > > > > > hospitals for 10-12 years before settling down in Bangalore. Last

> > year

> > > > alone

> > > > > > his nursing home delivered about 500+ babies. I would like to take

> > his

> > > > > > opinion is on this issue before concluding anything.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have one observation on using SAD to make a call. Normally, to

> > > > deliniate a

> > > > > > chart, we look at MD-AD-PD and ignore SAD in most cases as we are

> > not

> > > > sure

> > > > > > of the accuracy of birth time. However, when it comes to twins, the

> > > > tendency

> > > > > > is to totally depend on SAD and not give much importance to the

> > other

> > > > three.

> > > > > > The level of accuracy of the birth times are no different in case

> > of

> > > > twin

> > > > > > births. Hence, I wonder why we tend to work this way!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya@>wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Krishna,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ///Hence, my guess that the doctor might not have not recorded

> > the

> > > > time

> > > > > > > of birth of the first baby could well be correct!///

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As you saw on the video (if you watched it) the doctor pronounces

> > > > that

> > > > > > > the child is born, as soon as it's born. However he himself

> > doesn't

> > > > > > > physically record the time. This is the responsibility (duty) of

> > a

> > > > > > > trained nurse who must accurately record all information i.e.

> > time of

> > > > > > > birth, baby's weight, length etc, etc.. Having been a nurse and

> > aware

> > > > of

> > > > > > > the strict training involved, I'm confident that these same

> > > > procedures

> > > > > > > are adhered to throughout all hospitals world-wide.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy

> > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > > > > > > ___

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <kmurthys58@<kmurthys58%

> > 40gmail.com

> > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya%

> > 40><jyotish-vidya%

> > > > 40>>

> > > > > > > Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:53 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Re: A puzzling case of twins!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, Ash ji, and All,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here are the details about the twins as promised by me:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Both the parents visited me yesterday itself as they had to visit

> > > > > > > Bangalore

> > > > > > > for some urgent purchases. Here is the story:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The mother told me that no one had an idea including the doctor

> > that

> > > > she

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > carrying twins until they were actually born. Delivery was in a

> > > > hospital

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > through a C-Section. The lady said that she remembers the doctor

> > > > > > > exclaiming

> > > > > > > 'Oh! there is one more baby!' after picking up the first baby.

> > That

> > > > was

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > they discovered it is a twin pregnancy. Hence, my guess that the

> > > > doctor

> > > > > > > might not have not recorded the time of birth of the first baby

> > could

> > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > be correct! The lady also thought that the probability of such an

> > > > event

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > very high.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > They are not identical twins, are fraternal as there are some

> > minor

> > > > > > > differences in their appearance according to the parents. They

> > said

> > > > that

> > > > > > > only close family members can see the difference and most others

> > > > don't.

> > > > > > > Both

> > > > > > > of them were average students at school and used to score around

> > the

> > > > same

> > > > > > > level. They only completed High School and did not go to college.

> > > > After

> > > > > > > their Metriculation they joined their family business. They run a

> > > > > > > jewellary

> > > > > > > show room. Currently, Both the parents and the two boys are all

> > > > involved

> > > > > > > actively in the business. I believe that both the boys do similar

> > > > tasks

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > work, no difference in their responsibilities. However, the lady

> > > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > that she notices some patches when the first boy is much more

> > active

> > > > and

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > second one is relaxed and vice-versa often.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I understand that there are some distinct behavioural differences

> > > > between

> > > > > > > them. The elder one is more mature, mingles with people, gives

> > > > respect to

> > > > > > > people and is discrete while saying something to others. However,

> > the

> > > > > > > younger one is agressive and has a don't care attitude, does not

> > > > hesitate

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > speak his heart out. The younger one is more ambitious, comes out

> > > > with

> > > > > > > new

> > > > > > > ideas and presses his father to expand the business to a much

> > bigger

> > > > > > > scale.

> > > > > > > The younger one is also learning to play guitar. The elder one

> > has no

> > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > hobbies, both of them enjoy listening to music though. *These

> > > > attributes

> > > > > > > conirm my proposal that the elder one has Simha navamsha langa

> > and

> > > > the

> > > > > > > younger one has Kanya navamsha lagna, by looking at the planets

> > in

> > > > trines

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *

> > > > > > > My analysis is as follows:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *1. Elder Twin*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Though 7L Jup is 12H in Rasi, the marriage happened quite early

> > > > because

> > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > occupies navamsha langa. Venus in well placed in Navamsha. Though

> > 7L

> > > > in

> > > > > > > navamsha Saturn is in 6H, co-lord Rahu is exalted in Navamsha!

> > The

> > > > boy

> > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > married in Jup-Sat period, which is understandable.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > *2. Younger Twin*

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 7L Jup is in 12H in Rasi, and for his bad luck same gets repeated

> > in

> > > > > > > Navamsha (virgo navamsha lagna). So, the problem gets compounded.

> > > > There

> > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > slim chance for marriage in Jup-Sun period as Sun and Rahu are in

> > the

> > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > navamsha. I doubt if the marriage takes place during Jup-Moon as

> > Moon

> > > > is

> > > > > > > debilitated in Navamsha and conjunct Ketu. Jup-Mars period is

> > like

> > > > > > > Jup-Sun

> > > > > > > period offering slim chance as Mars is with Rahu in Rasi.

> > However, if

> > > > he

> > > > > > > does not get married until Jup-Mars, I feel that all the hurdles

> > will

> > > > be

> > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > of the way and he will definitely get married in Jup-Rah.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I request learned members to share their opinion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <

> > > > > > > kmurthys58@ <kmurthys58%40gmail.com>> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A few minutes back the father of the twins called me up and

> > told me

> > > > > > > > that he

> > > > > > > > will be visiting Bangalore sometime next week and he will come

> > and

> > > > meet

> > > > > > > > me.

> > > > > > > > I did manage to get a couple of details over the phone:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. Date of marriage of the elder twin - June 21, 2002

> > > > > > > > 2. Date of the birth of daughter for elder twin - June 24, 2004

> > > > > > > > 3. I understand that there is considerable difference in the

> > > > behavioral

> > > > > > > > pattern of the two boys. The father told me that the elder boy

> > is

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > him and the younger one is more like the mother. However, as I

> > > > don't

> > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > this couple well, that does not ring anything in my mind.

> > > > > > > > 4. I asked him to tell me whether the difference in their birth

> > > > times

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > exactly 2 minutes or whether he feels it could be like 5-6

> > minutes.

> > > > He

> > > > > > > > mentioned that it is possible that it could be more than two

> > > > minutes.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I will collect more details when I personally meet him.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Dear Krishna ji,

 

Fair enough.

 

Regarding 6th from 7th means for Virgo lagna, the 7th house is Pisces and its

lord is Guru. Guru is in 12th house of the chart. So its in 6th house from own

house i.e. it is in upchay house.

 

I hope its clear what my query is. So for Guru in 12th house i.e in 6th from

7th house (own house pisces), are you considering this Guru to be malefic / bad

for 7th house matters?

 

That is my question.

 

Cheers !!!

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jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58

wrote:

>

> Dear Ash ji,

>

> >>You have said that Ju in 12th house is not good in Rasi, but 12th house is

> 6th from 7th house and own sign of Guru for virgo lagna?

>

> I am not able to understand what you are trying to convey here. Why are you

> saying that 12th house is own sign for Guru for virgo lagna?

>

> >> Are you considering upchay position to be bad / malefic?

> No, not really for this purpose

>

> >>Also one more point, when you say " considerable delay " , then how are u

> judging that?

> I wish I had a precise mathematical answer for your question :-)

> Considerable delay for me means in the range of 30 years. However, to be on

> the safer side I started looking for a favorable period 28 years onwards.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 5:20 PM, ashsam73 <kas wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Krishna ji,

> >

> > Thank you very much for this post and your effort to explain to me your

> > approach. Now I do understand how you are approaching and the steps you are

> > following.

> >

> > You have said that Ju in 12th house is not good in Rasi, but 12th house is

> > 6th from 7th house and own sign of Guru for virgo lagna?

> >

> > Are you considering upchay position to be bad / malefic?

> >

> > Can you shed some light on this.

> >

> > Also one more point, when you say " considerable delay " , then how are u

> > judging that?

> >

> > I very much appreciate your effort to explain to me.

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>,

> > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > I look at both Rasi and Navamsha for marrige. First looking at the 7L and

> > > Karaka for marriage both in Rasi and Navamsha one can see if there are

> > > adverse factors obstructing marriage or not based on that one can decide

> > > whether it is normal marriage or delayed marrige. Once, that is

> > established,

> > > then I look for each AD in the corrsponding age range and evaluate

> > whether a

> > > particular AD is capable of giving marriage or not.

> > >

> > > Following is the detailed evaluation for each of the twins:

> > >

> > > *1. Elder Twin*

> > >

> > > Virgo Rasi Lagna and Leo Navamsha Lagna.

> > > *

> > > Rasi Analysis:*

> > >

> > > a. 7L - Jupiter:

> > >

> > > - In a Neutral sign - No negative

> > > - With one of the Marriage makers (Rahu) - Good

> > > - Has Very good Shadbala - Very Good

> > > - No specific weakness like comb, sandhi, debilitation etc. - Good

> > > - Occupies 12H - Not good

> > > - Vargottama - Excellent

> > >

> > > b. Karaka for marriage - Jupiter:

> > >

> > > Same points as above

> > >

> > > c. Karaka for spouse - Venus:

> > >

> > > - Placed in a Neutral sign - no negative

> > > - Occupies 6H - Not Good

> > > - Has good Shadbala - Good

> > > - No specific weakness like comb, sandhi, debilitation etc. - Good

> > >

> > > *Navamsha Analysis:* (More important for marriage considerations)

> > >

> > > a. 7L - Saturn/ Rahu:

> > >

> > > - Saturn in own sign though in a dusthana - not bad

> > > - Rahu is exalted - Excellent

> > >

> > > b. Karaka Jupiter:

> > >

> > > *- Occupies Lgna - A great blessing that overcomes many negatives*

> > > - Occupies Neutral sign - No negative

> > >

> > > c. Karaka Venus:

> > >

> > > - In an enemy sign - Not Good

> > > - Occupies a Kona - Very Good

> > >

> > > Overall there are good positives in Navamsha that can overcome the the

> > other

> > > negatives. Therefore, I don't foresee any delay in marriage.

> > >

> > > *Timing:*

> > >

> > > When the boy is around 21 years he is running Jup-Saturn period

> > >

> > > Saturn is 7L in Navamsha occupying own sign. Saturn has the primary

> > ability

> > > to give marriage and hence marriage can take place in Jup-Saturn period.

> > >

> > > *

> > >

> > >

> > > 2. Younger Twin*

> > >

> > > Virgo Rasi Lagna and Virgo Navamsha Lagna.

> > > *

> > > Rasi Analysis:*

> > >

> > > Same like the elder twin

> > >

> > > *Navamsha Analysis:* (More important for marriage considerations)

> > >

> > > a. 7L - Jupiter:

> > >

> > > - Jupiter in dusthana - Not Good

> > > - Jupiter in Neutra sign - No negative

> > >

> > > b. Karaka Jupiter:

> > >

> > > - Jupiter in dusthana - Not Good

> > > - Jupiter in Neutra sign - No negative

> > >

> > > c. Karaka of spouse Venus:

> > >

> > > - In an enemy sign - Not Good

> > > - Occupies a dusthana - Not Good

> > >

> > > Clearly Navmsha offers many hurdles. Therefore, there will be

> > considerable

> > > delay in marriage

> > >

> > > *Timing:*

> > >

> > > When the boy is around 28 years old the boy is running Jup - Ven period.

> > >

> > > Jup-Venus: Venus is very adversely placed in Navamsha and with Ketu in

> > Rasi,

> > > will not give marriage

> > > Jup-Sun: Sun though not a primary marriage giving planet, is conjunt Rahu

> > in

> > > Navamsha - Offers a mild possibility

> > > Jup-Moon: Deblitated in Navamsha and conjunct Ketu. Hence will not give

> > > marriage

> > > Jup-Mars: Mars though not a primary marriage giving planet is conjunct

> > > Jupiter and Rahu in Rasi - Offers a mild possibility

> > > Jup-Rahu: Rahu will undoubtedly give marriage if not happened until now.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:15 PM, ashsam73 <kas@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > >

> > > > Can you give me how much delay you are considering for each planet or

> > what

> > > > is the mathematical procedure for calculating the delay?

> > > >

> > > > For example, Sa in 7th house then how much delay would u take, or say

> > Ra

> > > > aspecting 7th house or something like that then how much delay is

> > there?

> > > >

> > > > Are you considering only Rasi to calculate the delay or are u using

> > navamsa

> > > > as well, and if so what is the procedure you are following to come to

> > the

> > > > proper delay.

> > > >

> > > > I think you can get the point that is not clear to me from your mail.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> > > >

> > > > jyotish-vidya

<jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya%

> > 40>,

> > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ash ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I think I have already given answers to both of your questions in one

> > of

> > > > my

> > > > > earlier messages that I wrote after meeting the parents of the twins.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:36 PM, ashsam73 <kas@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Krishna ji and Mrs. Wendy,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My take away knowledge that I am looking for from this exercise is

> > to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) Find out the procedure in how you and Krishnaji and others if

> > they

> > > > would

> > > > > > like to share, on how the Delay is computed and the factors that go

> > in.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2) The procedure for finding out the reason for the twins having

> > > > different

> > > > > > natures. What factors go into it while delineating the same.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you and Krishnaji share the same, then atleast I can try to

> > > > understand

> > > > > > how you are analyzing the same.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanking you,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya%

> > 40><jyotish-vidya%

> >

> > > > 40>,

> > > >

> > > > > > " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am pressed for time, however I wanted to share something

> > quickly.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Another scenario also arises in which is can be ASSUMED that

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1) The children were born 2 mins apart or 3 minutes apart

> > > > > > > AND

> > > > > > > 2) The offset or the noting down of time of the first twin was

> > off by

> > > > 5

> > > > > > or 6 minutes.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So if you were to change the offset of the time of birth of the

> > first

> > > > > > twin by 5/6 mins and keep the difference between the 2 children to

> > be 2

> > > > mins

> > > > > > (i.e. accouding to both of your definition of child birth), what

> > > > Krishna ji

> > > > > > is saying can still be possible.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So we have 2 factors at play here.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So if the first twin came out 5 to 6 mins earlier then one might

> > have

> > > > > > navamsa lagna to be libra and the other to be virgo.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Or in the other scenario, one can have virgo lagna and the other

> > > > libra.

> > > > > > This scenario has not been studied in detail either.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That said, both of you have not given the reason for delay or the

> > > > > > calculation?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can anyone give that and what factors does one attribute to the

> > > > nature

> > > > > > difference?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Why in one case the marriage is delayed by so much as compared to

> > the

> > > > > > other one who was married earlier? What is the calculation of that

> > and

> > > > the

> > > > > > reason behind it?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>

> > <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya%

> >

> > > > 40>,

> > > >

> > > > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The point you have raised about the time gap between the two

> > births

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > perfectly valid for normal situations. I am talking about a

> > > > situation

> > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > the doctor and the staff were not geared up for a twin birth

> > and

> > > > they

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > discovered it during the operation. I am only saying that under

> > > > such

> > > > > > special

> > > > > > > > situations, the difference of 5-6 minutes could be possible. I

> > > > could be

> > > > > > > > wrong. In any case, I am planning to talk to one of my cousins

> > who

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > pediatrician and a neo natal specialist and running a nursing

> > home

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > Bangalore about such a possibility. He has also worked in UK

> > and

> > > > > > Australian

> > > > > > > > hospitals for 10-12 years before settling down in Bangalore.

> > Last

> > > > year

> > > > > > alone

> > > > > > > > his nursing home delivered about 500+ babies. I would like to

> > take

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > opinion is on this issue before concluding anything.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have one observation on using SAD to make a call. Normally,

> > to

> > > > > > deliniate a

> > > > > > > > chart, we look at MD-AD-PD and ignore SAD in most cases as we

> > are

> > > > not

> > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > of the accuracy of birth time. However, when it comes to twins,

> > the

> > > > > > tendency

> > > > > > > > is to totally depend on SAD and not give much importance to the

> > > > other

> > > > > > three.

> > > > > > > > The level of accuracy of the birth times are no different in

> > case

> > > > of

> > > > > > twin

> > > > > > > > births. Hence, I wonder why we tend to work this way!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya@

> > >wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ///Hence, my guess that the doctor might not have not

> > recorded

> > > > the

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > of birth of the first baby could well be correct!///

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As you saw on the video (if you watched it) the doctor

> > pronounces

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > the child is born, as soon as it's born. However he himself

> > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > physically record the time. This is the responsibility (duty)

> > of

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > > trained nurse who must accurately record all information i.e.

> > > > time of

> > > > > > > > > birth, baby's weight, length etc, etc.. Having been a nurse

> > and

> > > > aware

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the strict training involved, I'm confident that these same

> > > > > > procedures

> > > > > > > > > are adhered to throughout all hospitals world-wide.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy

> > > > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > > > > > > > > ___

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <kmurthys58@<kmurthys58%

> > > > 40gmail.com

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > To:

<jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>

> > <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya%

> > > > 40><jyotish-vidya%

> > > > > > 40>>

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:53 PM

> > > > > > > > > Re: Re: A puzzling case of twins!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, Ash ji, and All,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Here are the details about the twins as promised by me:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Both the parents visited me yesterday itself as they had to

> > visit

> > > > > > > > > Bangalore

> > > > > > > > > for some urgent purchases. Here is the story:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The mother told me that no one had an idea including the

> > doctor

> > > > that

> > > > > > she

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > carrying twins until they were actually born. Delivery was in

> > a

> > > > > > hospital

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > through a C-Section. The lady said that she remembers the

> > doctor

> > > > > > > > > exclaiming

> > > > > > > > > 'Oh! there is one more baby!' after picking up the first

> > baby.

> > > > That

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > they discovered it is a twin pregnancy. Hence, my guess that

> > the

> > > > > > doctor

> > > > > > > > > might not have not recorded the time of birth of the first

> > baby

> > > > could

> > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > be correct! The lady also thought that the probability of

> > such an

> > > > > > event

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > very high.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > They are not identical twins, are fraternal as there are some

> > > > minor

> > > > > > > > > differences in their appearance according to the parents.

> > They

> > > > said

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > only close family members can see the difference and most

> > others

> > > > > > don't.

> > > > > > > > > Both

> > > > > > > > > of them were average students at school and used to score

> > around

> > > > the

> > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > level. They only completed High School and did not go to

> > college.

> > > > > > After

> > > > > > > > > their Metriculation they joined their family business. They

> > run a

> > > > > > > > > jewellary

> > > > > > > > > show room. Currently, Both the parents and the two boys are

> > all

> > > > > > involved

> > > > > > > > > actively in the business. I believe that both the boys do

> > similar

> > > > > > tasks

> > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > work, no difference in their responsibilities. However, the

> > lady

> > > > > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > that she notices some patches when the first boy is much more

> > > > active

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > second one is relaxed and vice-versa often.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I understand that there are some distinct behavioural

> > differences

> > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > them. The elder one is more mature, mingles with people,

> > gives

> > > > > > respect to

> > > > > > > > > people and is discrete while saying something to others.

> > However,

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > younger one is agressive and has a don't care attitude, does

> > not

> > > > > > hesitate

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > speak his heart out. The younger one is more ambitious, comes

> > out

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > new

> > > > > > > > > ideas and presses his father to expand the business to a much

> > > > bigger

> > > > > > > > > scale.

> > > > > > > > > The younger one is also learning to play guitar. The elder

> > one

> > > > has no

> > > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > hobbies, both of them enjoy listening to music though. *These

> > > > > > attributes

> > > > > > > > > conirm my proposal that the elder one has Simha navamsha

> > langa

> > > > and

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > younger one has Kanya navamsha lagna, by looking at the

> > planets

> > > > in

> > > > > > trines

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > them.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *

> > > > > > > > > My analysis is as follows:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *1. Elder Twin*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Though 7L Jup is 12H in Rasi, the marriage happened quite

> > early

> > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > occupies navamsha langa. Venus in well placed in Navamsha.

> > Though

> > > > 7L

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > navamsha Saturn is in 6H, co-lord Rahu is exalted in

> > Navamsha!

> > > > The

> > > > > > boy

> > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > married in Jup-Sat period, which is understandable.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *2. Younger Twin*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 7L Jup is in 12H in Rasi, and for his bad luck same gets

> > repeated

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Navamsha (virgo navamsha lagna). So, the problem gets

> > compounded.

> > > > > > There

> > > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > slim chance for marriage in Jup-Sun period as Sun and Rahu

> > are in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > navamsha. I doubt if the marriage takes place during Jup-Moon

> > as

> > > > Moon

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > debilitated in Navamsha and conjunct Ketu. Jup-Mars period is

> > > > like

> > > > > > > > > Jup-Sun

> > > > > > > > > period offering slim chance as Mars is with Rahu in Rasi.

> > > > However, if

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > does not get married until Jup-Mars, I feel that all the

> > hurdles

> > > > will

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > of the way and he will definitely get married in Jup-Rah.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I request learned members to share their opinion.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <

> > > > > > > > > kmurthys58@ <kmurthys58%40gmail.com>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > A few minutes back the father of the twins called me up and

> > > > told me

> > > > > > > > > > that he

> > > > > > > > > > will be visiting Bangalore sometime next week and he will

> > come

> > > > and

> > > > > > meet

> > > > > > > > > > me.

> > > > > > > > > > I did manage to get a couple of details over the phone:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1. Date of marriage of the elder twin - June 21, 2002

> > > > > > > > > > 2. Date of the birth of daughter for elder twin - June 24,

> > 2004

> > > > > > > > > > 3. I understand that there is considerable difference in

> > the

> > > > > > behavioral

> > > > > > > > > > pattern of the two boys. The father told me that the elder

> > boy

> > > > is

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > him and the younger one is more like the mother. However,

> > as I

> > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > this couple well, that does not ring anything in my mind.

> > > > > > > > > > 4. I asked him to tell me whether the difference in their

> > birth

> > > > > > times

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > exactly 2 minutes or whether he feels it could be like 5-6

> > > > minutes.

> > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > mentioned that it is possible that it could be more than

> > two

> > > > > > minutes.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I will collect more details when I personally meet him.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Dear Ash ji,OK. Got your point. 7L in 12H from lagna means the same as 7L is in 6H from 7H. Yes, I consider this bad for 7H matters.Regards,KrishnaOn Thu, May 14, 2009 at 8:43 PM, ashsam73 <kas wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Krishna ji,

 

Fair enough.

 

Regarding 6th from 7th means for Virgo lagna, the 7th house is Pisces and its lord is Guru. Guru is in 12th house of the chart. So its in 6th house from own house i.e. it is in upchay house.

 

I hope its clear what my query is. So for Guru in 12th house i.e in 6th from 7th house (own house pisces), are you considering this Guru to be malefic / bad for 7th house matters?

 

That is my question.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

jyotish-vidya , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote:

>

> Dear Ash ji,

>

> >>You have said that Ju in 12th house is not good in Rasi, but 12th house is

> 6th from 7th house and own sign of Guru for virgo lagna?

>

> I am not able to understand what you are trying to convey here. Why are you

> saying that 12th house is own sign for Guru for virgo lagna?

>

> >> Are you considering upchay position to be bad / malefic?

> No, not really for this purpose

>

> >>Also one more point, when you say " considerable delay " , then how are u

> judging that?

> I wish I had a precise mathematical answer for your question :-)

> Considerable delay for me means in the range of 30 years. However, to be on

> the safer side I started looking for a favorable period 28 years onwards.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 5:20 PM, ashsam73 <kas wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Krishna ji,

> >

> > Thank you very much for this post and your effort to explain to me your

> > approach. Now I do understand how you are approaching and the steps you are

> > following.

> >

> > You have said that Ju in 12th house is not good in Rasi, but 12th house is

> > 6th from 7th house and own sign of Guru for virgo lagna?

> >

> > Are you considering upchay position to be bad / malefic?

> >

> > Can you shed some light on this.

> >

> > Also one more point, when you say " considerable delay " , then how are u

> > judging that?

> >

> > I very much appreciate your effort to explain to me.

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>,

> > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ash,

> > >

> > > I look at both Rasi and Navamsha for marrige. First looking at the 7L and

> > > Karaka for marriage both in Rasi and Navamsha one can see if there are

> > > adverse factors obstructing marriage or not based on that one can decide

> > > whether it is normal marriage or delayed marrige. Once, that is

> > established,

> > > then I look for each AD in the corrsponding age range and evaluate

> > whether a

> > > particular AD is capable of giving marriage or not.

> > >

> > > Following is the detailed evaluation for each of the twins:

> > >

> > > *1. Elder Twin*

> > >

> > > Virgo Rasi Lagna and Leo Navamsha Lagna.

> > > *

> > > Rasi Analysis:*

> > >

> > > a. 7L - Jupiter:

> > >

> > > - In a Neutral sign - No negative

> > > - With one of the Marriage makers (Rahu) - Good

> > > - Has Very good Shadbala - Very Good

> > > - No specific weakness like comb, sandhi, debilitation etc. - Good

> > > - Occupies 12H - Not good

> > > - Vargottama - Excellent

> > >

> > > b. Karaka for marriage - Jupiter:

> > >

> > > Same points as above

> > >

> > > c. Karaka for spouse - Venus:

> > >

> > > - Placed in a Neutral sign - no negative

> > > - Occupies 6H - Not Good

> > > - Has good Shadbala - Good

> > > - No specific weakness like comb, sandhi, debilitation etc. - Good

> > >

> > > *Navamsha Analysis:* (More important for marriage considerations)

> > >

> > > a. 7L - Saturn/ Rahu:

> > >

> > > - Saturn in own sign though in a dusthana - not bad

> > > - Rahu is exalted - Excellent

> > >

> > > b. Karaka Jupiter:

> > >

> > > *- Occupies Lgna - A great blessing that overcomes many negatives*

> > > - Occupies Neutral sign - No negative

> > >

> > > c. Karaka Venus:

> > >

> > > - In an enemy sign - Not Good

> > > - Occupies a Kona - Very Good

> > >

> > > Overall there are good positives in Navamsha that can overcome the the

> > other

> > > negatives. Therefore, I don't foresee any delay in marriage.

> > >

> > > *Timing:*

> > >

> > > When the boy is around 21 years he is running Jup-Saturn period

> > >

> > > Saturn is 7L in Navamsha occupying own sign. Saturn has the primary

> > ability

> > > to give marriage and hence marriage can take place in Jup-Saturn period.

> > >

> > > *

> > >

> > >

> > > 2. Younger Twin*

> > >

> > > Virgo Rasi Lagna and Virgo Navamsha Lagna.

> > > *

> > > Rasi Analysis:*

> > >

> > > Same like the elder twin

> > >

> > > *Navamsha Analysis:* (More important for marriage considerations)

> > >

> > > a. 7L - Jupiter:

> > >

> > > - Jupiter in dusthana - Not Good

> > > - Jupiter in Neutra sign - No negative

> > >

> > > b. Karaka Jupiter:

> > >

> > > - Jupiter in dusthana - Not Good

> > > - Jupiter in Neutra sign - No negative

> > >

> > > c. Karaka of spouse Venus:

> > >

> > > - In an enemy sign - Not Good

> > > - Occupies a dusthana - Not Good

> > >

> > > Clearly Navmsha offers many hurdles. Therefore, there will be

> > considerable

> > > delay in marriage

> > >

> > > *Timing:*

> > >

> > > When the boy is around 28 years old the boy is running Jup - Ven period.

> > >

> > > Jup-Venus: Venus is very adversely placed in Navamsha and with Ketu in

> > Rasi,

> > > will not give marriage

> > > Jup-Sun: Sun though not a primary marriage giving planet, is conjunt Rahu

> > in

> > > Navamsha - Offers a mild possibility

> > > Jup-Moon: Deblitated in Navamsha and conjunct Ketu. Hence will not give

> > > marriage

> > > Jup-Mars: Mars though not a primary marriage giving planet is conjunct

> > > Jupiter and Rahu in Rasi - Offers a mild possibility

> > > Jup-Rahu: Rahu will undoubtedly give marriage if not happened until now.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:15 PM, ashsam73 <kas@> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > >

> > > > Can you give me how much delay you are considering for each planet or

> > what

> > > > is the mathematical procedure for calculating the delay?

> > > >

> > > > For example, Sa in 7th house then how much delay would u take, or say

> > Ra

> > > > aspecting 7th house or something like that then how much delay is

> > there?

> > > >

> > > > Are you considering only Rasi to calculate the delay or are u using

> > navamsa

> > > > as well, and if so what is the procedure you are following to come to

> > the

> > > > proper delay.

> > > >

> > > > I think you can get the point that is not clear to me from your mail.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> > > >

> > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya%

 

> > 40>,

> > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Ash ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I think I have already given answers to both of your questions in one

> > of

> > > > my

> > > > > earlier messages that I wrote after meeting the parents of the twins.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:36 PM, ashsam73 <kas@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Krishna ji and Mrs. Wendy,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My take away knowledge that I am looking for from this exercise is

> > to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1) Find out the procedure in how you and Krishnaji and others if

> > they

> > > > would

> > > > > > like to share, on how the Delay is computed and the factors that go

> > in.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2) The procedure for finding out the reason for the twins having

> > > > different

> > > > > > natures. What factors go into it while delineating the same.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you and Krishnaji share the same, then atleast I can try to

> > > > understand

> > > > > > how you are analyzing the same.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanking you,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> > > > > >

> > > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya%

> > 40><jyotish-vidya%

> >

> > > > 40>,

> > > >

> > > > > > " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am pressed for time, however I wanted to share something

> > quickly.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Another scenario also arises in which is can be ASSUMED that

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1) The children were born 2 mins apart or 3 minutes apart

> > > > > > > AND

> > > > > > > 2) The offset or the noting down of time of the first twin was

> > off by

> > > > 5

> > > > > > or 6 minutes.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So if you were to change the offset of the time of birth of the

> > first

> > > > > > twin by 5/6 mins and keep the difference between the 2 children to

> > be 2

> > > > mins

> > > > > > (i.e. accouding to both of your definition of child birth), what

> > > > Krishna ji

> > > > > > is saying can still be possible.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So we have 2 factors at play here.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So if the first twin came out 5 to 6 mins earlier then one might

> > have

> > > > > > navamsa lagna to be libra and the other to be virgo.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Or in the other scenario, one can have virgo lagna and the other

> > > > libra.

> > > > > > This scenario has not been studied in detail either.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That said, both of you have not given the reason for delay or the

> > > > > > calculation?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can anyone give that and what factors does one attribute to the

> > > > nature

> > > > > > difference?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Why in one case the marriage is delayed by so much as compared to

> > the

> > > > > > other one who was married earlier? What is the calculation of that

> > and

> > > > the

> > > > > > reason behind it?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cheers !!!

> > > > > > > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>

> > <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya%

> >

> > > > 40>,

> > > >

> > > > > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The point you have raised about the time gap between the two

> > births

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > perfectly valid for normal situations. I am talking about a

> > > > situation

> > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > the doctor and the staff were not geared up for a twin birth

> > and

> > > > they

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > discovered it during the operation. I am only saying that under

> > > > such

> > > > > > special

> > > > > > > > situations, the difference of 5-6 minutes could be possible. I

> > > > could be

> > > > > > > > wrong. In any case, I am planning to talk to one of my cousins

> > who

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > pediatrician and a neo natal specialist and running a nursing

> > home

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > Bangalore about such a possibility. He has also worked in UK

> > and

> > > > > > Australian

> > > > > > > > hospitals for 10-12 years before settling down in Bangalore.

> > Last

> > > > year

> > > > > > alone

> > > > > > > > his nursing home delivered about 500+ babies. I would like to

> > take

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > opinion is on this issue before concluding anything.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have one observation on using SAD to make a call. Normally,

> > to

> > > > > > deliniate a

> > > > > > > > chart, we look at MD-AD-PD and ignore SAD in most cases as we

> > are

> > > > not

> > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > of the accuracy of birth time. However, when it comes to twins,

> > the

> > > > > > tendency

> > > > > > > > is to totally depend on SAD and not give much importance to the

> > > > other

> > > > > > three.

> > > > > > > > The level of accuracy of the birth times are no different in

> > case

> > > > of

> > > > > > twin

> > > > > > > > births. Hence, I wonder why we tend to work this way!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya@

> > >wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ///Hence, my guess that the doctor might not have not

> > recorded

> > > > the

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > of birth of the first baby could well be correct!///

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As you saw on the video (if you watched it) the doctor

> > pronounces

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > the child is born, as soon as it's born. However he himself

> > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > physically record the time. This is the responsibility (duty)

> > of

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > > trained nurse who must accurately record all information i.e.

> > > > time of

> > > > > > > > > birth, baby's weight, length etc, etc.. Having been a nurse

> > and

> > > > aware

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the strict training involved, I'm confident that these same

> > > > > > procedures

> > > > > > > > > are adhered to throughout all hospitals world-wide.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy

> > > > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > > > > > > > > ___

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > " Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <kmurthys58@<kmurthys58%

> > > > 40gmail.com

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>

> > <jyotish-vidya%40><jyotish-vidya%

> > > > 40><jyotish-vidya%

> > > > > > 40>>

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:53 PM

> > > > > > > > > Re: Re: A puzzling case of twins!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Mrs. Wendy, Ash ji, and All,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Here are the details about the twins as promised by me:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Both the parents visited me yesterday itself as they had to

> > visit

> > > > > > > > > Bangalore

> > > > > > > > > for some urgent purchases. Here is the story:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The mother told me that no one had an idea including the

> > doctor

> > > > that

> > > > > > she

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > carrying twins until they were actually born. Delivery was in

> > a

> > > > > > hospital

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > through a C-Section. The lady said that she remembers the

> > doctor

> > > > > > > > > exclaiming

> > > > > > > > > 'Oh! there is one more baby!' after picking up the first

> > baby.

> > > > That

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > they discovered it is a twin pregnancy. Hence, my guess that

> > the

> > > > > > doctor

> > > > > > > > > might not have not recorded the time of birth of the first

> > baby

> > > > could

> > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > be correct! The lady also thought that the probability of

> > such an

> > > > > > event

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > very high.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > They are not identical twins, are fraternal as there are some

> > > > minor

> > > > > > > > > differences in their appearance according to the parents.

> > They

> > > > said

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > only close family members can see the difference and most

> > others

> > > > > > don't.

> > > > > > > > > Both

> > > > > > > > > of them were average students at school and used to score

> > around

> > > > the

> > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > level. They only completed High School and did not go to

> > college.

> > > > > > After

> > > > > > > > > their Metriculation they joined their family business. They

> > run a

> > > > > > > > > jewellary

> > > > > > > > > show room. Currently, Both the parents and the two boys are

> > all

> > > > > > involved

> > > > > > > > > actively in the business. I believe that both the boys do

> > similar

> > > > > > tasks

> > > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > work, no difference in their responsibilities. However, the

> > lady

> > > > > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > that she notices some patches when the first boy is much more

> > > > active

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > second one is relaxed and vice-versa often.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I understand that there are some distinct behavioural

> > differences

> > > > > > between

> > > > > > > > > them. The elder one is more mature, mingles with people,

> > gives

> > > > > > respect to

> > > > > > > > > people and is discrete while saying something to others.

> > However,

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > younger one is agressive and has a don't care attitude, does

> > not

> > > > > > hesitate

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > speak his heart out. The younger one is more ambitious, comes

> > out

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > new

> > > > > > > > > ideas and presses his father to expand the business to a much

> > > > bigger

> > > > > > > > > scale.

> > > > > > > > > The younger one is also learning to play guitar. The elder

> > one

> > > > has no

> > > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > hobbies, both of them enjoy listening to music though. *These

> > > > > > attributes

> > > > > > > > > conirm my proposal that the elder one has Simha navamsha

> > langa

> > > > and

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > younger one has Kanya navamsha lagna, by looking at the

> > planets

> > > > in

> > > > > > trines

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > them.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *

> > > > > > > > > My analysis is as follows:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *1. Elder Twin*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Though 7L Jup is 12H in Rasi, the marriage happened quite

> > early

> > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > occupies navamsha langa. Venus in well placed in Navamsha.

> > Though

> > > > 7L

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > navamsha Saturn is in 6H, co-lord Rahu is exalted in

> > Navamsha!

> > > > The

> > > > > > boy

> > > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > married in Jup-Sat period, which is understandable.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > *2. Younger Twin*

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 7L Jup is in 12H in Rasi, and for his bad luck same gets

> > repeated

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Navamsha (virgo navamsha lagna). So, the problem gets

> > compounded.

> > > > > > There

> > > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > slim chance for marriage in Jup-Sun period as Sun and Rahu

> > are in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > navamsha. I doubt if the marriage takes place during Jup-Moon

> > as

> > > > Moon

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > debilitated in Navamsha and conjunct Ketu. Jup-Mars period is

> > > > like

> > > > > > > > > Jup-Sun

> > > > > > > > > period offering slim chance as Mars is with Rahu in Rasi.

> > > > However, if

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > does not get married until Jup-Mars, I feel that all the

> > hurdles

> > > > will

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > of the way and he will definitely get married in Jup-Rah.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I request learned members to share their opinion.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <

> > > > > > > > > kmurthys58@ <kmurthys58%40gmail.com>> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > A few minutes back the father of the twins called me up and

> > > > told me

> > > > > > > > > > that he

> > > > > > > > > > will be visiting Bangalore sometime next week and he will

> > come

> > > > and

> > > > > > meet

> > > > > > > > > > me.

> > > > > > > > > > I did manage to get a couple of details over the phone:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1. Date of marriage of the elder twin - June 21, 2002

> > > > > > > > > > 2. Date of the birth of daughter for elder twin - June 24,

> > 2004

> > > > > > > > > > 3. I understand that there is considerable difference in

> > the

> > > > > > behavioral

> > > > > > > > > > pattern of the two boys. The father told me that the elder

> > boy

> > > > is

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > him and the younger one is more like the mother. However,

> > as I

> > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > this couple well, that does not ring anything in my mind.

> > > > > > > > > > 4. I asked him to tell me whether the difference in their

> > birth

> > > > > > times

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > exactly 2 minutes or whether he feels it could be like 5-6

> > > > minutes.

> > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > mentioned that it is possible that it could be more than

> > two

> > > > > > minutes.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I will collect more details when I personally meet him.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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Dear All,//I am only saying that under such special situations, the difference of 5-6 minutes could be possible. I could be wrong. In any case, I am planning to talk to one of my cousins who is pediatrician and a neo natal specialist and running a nursing home in Bangalore about such a possibility.//

I had one pending action item to get back on the possible time gap between two twins during a C-section under special situations.

Here is what Dr. Kishore Kumar (Consultant Neonatologist & Paediatrician

Professor of Paediatrics, Notre Dame University, Australia) has to say on the subject:In the past, ie., 30 years ago, it was NOT uncommon for Doctors to have found a second twin at the DELIVERY (whether normal or c-section). Hence if a doctor was shell shocked to find the second baby, and has not prepared for it. especially if there was a difficult extraction, a gap of 6 to 7 mins is NOT unusual. So your presumption that 6 to 7 mins gap between the twins is fair. In the pre - Ultrasound era - we have seen a gap of 7 to 8 mins between UNDIAGNOSED twins!!Regards,

Krishna

On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <kmurthys58 wrote:

Dear Mrs. Wendy,The point you have raised about the time gap between the two births is perfectly valid for normal situations. I am talking about a situation where the doctor and the staff were not geared up for a twin birth and they only discovered it during the operation. I am only saying that under such special situations, the difference of 5-6 minutes could be possible. I could be wrong. In any case, I am planning to talk to one of my cousins who is pediatrician and a neo natal specialist and running a nursing home in Bangalore about such a possibility. He has also worked in UK and Australian hospitals for 10-12 years before settling down in Bangalore. Last year alone his nursing home delivered about 500+ babies. I would like to take his opinion is on this issue before concluding anything.

I have one observation on using SAD to make a call. Normally, to deliniate a chart, we look at MD-AD-PD and ignore SAD in most cases as we are not sure of the accuracy of birth time. However, when it comes to twins, the tendency is to totally depend on SAD and not give much importance to the other three. The level of accuracy of the birth times are no different in case of twin births. Hence, I wonder why we tend to work this way!

Regards,KrishnaOn Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Mrs. Wendy <jyotishvidya wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Krishna,

 

///Hence, my guess that the doctor might not have not recorded the time

of birth of the first baby could well be correct!///

 

As you saw on the video (if you watched it) the doctor pronounces that

the child is born, as soon as it's born. However he himself doesn't

physically record the time. This is the responsibility (duty) of a

trained nurse who must accurately record all information i.e. time of

birth, baby's weight, length etc, etc.. Having been a nurse and aware of

the strict training involved, I'm confident that these same procedures

are adhered to throughout all hospitals world-wide.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

-

" Krishnamurthy Seetharama " <kmurthys58

<jyotish-vidya >

Sunday, May 10, 2009 10:53 PM

Re: Re: A puzzling case of twins!

 

Dear Mrs. Wendy, Ash ji, and All,

 

Here are the details about the twins as promised by me:

 

Both the parents visited me yesterday itself as they had to visit

Bangalore

for some urgent purchases. Here is the story:

 

The mother told me that no one had an idea including the doctor that she

was

carrying twins until they were actually born. Delivery was in a hospital

and

through a C-Section. The lady said that she remembers the doctor

exclaiming

'Oh! there is one more baby!' after picking up the first baby. That was

when

they discovered it is a twin pregnancy. Hence, my guess that the doctor

might not have not recorded the time of birth of the first baby could

well

be correct! The lady also thought that the probability of such an event

is

very high.

 

They are not identical twins, are fraternal as there are some minor

differences in their appearance according to the parents. They said that

only close family members can see the difference and most others don't.

Both

of them were average students at school and used to score around the same

level. They only completed High School and did not go to college. After

their Metriculation they joined their family business. They run a

jewellary

show room. Currently, Both the parents and the two boys are all involved

actively in the business. I believe that both the boys do similar tasks

at

work, no difference in their responsibilities. However, the lady

mentioned

that she notices some patches when the first boy is much more active and

the

second one is relaxed and vice-versa often.

 

I understand that there are some distinct behavioural differences between

them. The elder one is more mature, mingles with people, gives respect to

people and is discrete while saying something to others. However, the

younger one is agressive and has a don't care attitude, does not hesitate

to

speak his heart out. The younger one is more ambitious, comes out with

new

ideas and presses his father to expand the business to a much bigger

scale.

The younger one is also learning to play guitar. The elder one has no

such

hobbies, both of them enjoy listening to music though. *These attributes

conirm my proposal that the elder one has Simha navamsha langa and the

younger one has Kanya navamsha lagna, by looking at the planets in trines

to

them.

 

*

My analysis is as follows:

 

*1. Elder Twin*

 

Though 7L Jup is 12H in Rasi, the marriage happened quite early because

Jup

occupies navamsha langa. Venus in well placed in Navamsha. Though 7L in

navamsha Saturn is in 6H, co-lord Rahu is exalted in Navamsha! The boy

got

married in Jup-Sat period, which is understandable.

 

*2. Younger Twin*

 

7L Jup is in 12H in Rasi, and for his bad luck same gets repeated in

Navamsha (virgo navamsha lagna). So, the problem gets compounded. There

is a

slim chance for marriage in Jup-Sun period as Sun and Rahu are in the

same

navamsha. I doubt if the marriage takes place during Jup-Moon as Moon is

debilitated in Navamsha and conjunct Ketu. Jup-Mars period is like

Jup-Sun

period offering slim chance as Mars is with Rahu in Rasi. However, if he

does not get married until Jup-Mars, I feel that all the hurdles will be

out

of the way and he will definitely get married in Jup-Rah.

 

I request learned members to share their opinion.

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <

kmurthys58 wrote:

 

> Dear All,

>

> A few minutes back the father of the twins called me up and told me

> that he

> will be visiting Bangalore sometime next week and he will come and meet

> me.

> I did manage to get a couple of details over the phone:

>

> 1. Date of marriage of the elder twin - June 21, 2002

> 2. Date of the birth of daughter for elder twin - June 24, 2004

> 3. I understand that there is considerable difference in the behavioral

> pattern of the two boys. The father told me that the elder boy is more

> like

> him and the younger one is more like the mother. However, as I don't

> know

> this couple well, that does not ring anything in my mind.

> 4. I asked him to tell me whether the difference in their birth times

> is

> exactly 2 minutes or whether he feels it could be like 5-6 minutes. He

> mentioned that it is possible that it could be more than two minutes.

>

> I will collect more details when I personally meet him.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

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Dear Krishna,Thank you for the info...although it seems highly unusual for C-section, I must accept what you say. Delay between twins for normal delivery is not uncommon...there was a delay of over an hour in the delivery of my twin. But delays of 6 mins or more for C-section does surprise me.Best WishesMrs.Wendyhttp://JyotishVidya.com________________________Krishnamurthy Seetharama Tuesday, 27 October 2009 9:44 PMjyotish-vidya Re: Re: A puzzling case of twins! Dear All,//I am only saying that under such special situations, the difference of 5-6 minutes could be possible. I could be wrong. In any case, I am planning to talk to one of my cousins who is pediatrician and a neo natal specialist and running a nursing home in Bangalore about such a possibility.//I had one pending action item to get back on the possible time gap between two twins during a C-section under special situations.Here is what Dr. Kishore Kumar (Consultant Neonatologist & PaediatricianProfessor of Paediatrics, Notre Dame University, Australia) has to say on the subject:In the past, ie., 30 years ago, it was NOT uncommon for Doctors to have found a second twin at the DELIVERY (whether normal or c-section). Hence if a doctor was shell shocked to find the second baby, and has not prepared for it. especially if there was a difficult extraction, a gap of 6 to 7 mins is NOT unusual. So your presumption that 6 to 7 mins gap between the twins is fair. In the pre - Ultrasound era - we have seen a gap of 7 to 8 mins between UNDIAGNOSED twins!!Regards,Krishna

 

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