Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2008 Dear Mrs. Wendy, At the outset, I sincerly thank you for the efforts put in to collect from various sources and talk of the plcement of Jupiter and the possible results and revising the basics. >>>Certainly I'm not as well-versed in Uttarakalamrita as Parashara. However I cannot recall any (such) rule in Parashara. I could be wrong of course and will gladly stand corrected if such a rule is located.>>> This is what I really planned to do within 6 months. I am planning to take Voluntary Retirement soon from the service. I wish to read throughly the classics. However, all the results are indicative, in actual chart reading, we all know, there are a number of factors which are to be taken into account to arrive at a final result. If we literally intrepet the results what classics say, we will certainly fail in our conclustions. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. ====================================================== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2008 Dear Mrs. Wendy, Sun is the karaka for father, if he is placed in 9th, Sun may not support the traits relating to father. This is what I understand. My son and my daughter comes from the 5th house and they are my family members. 11th house, from where my elder sibling comes he is my family member. Jupiter is certainly considerd for teacher when we examin 9th house for that particular signification. I agree. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2008 Dear Ravindramani, Certainly I agree that Sun is the significator for father. However, in terms of bhava significators, Sun is significator of first house. This is made clear in the following text... BPHS Chapter 32. 31-34. HOUSE SIGNIFICANCE: *I now narrate the siginificance of the houses. The first house denotes the soul (and self), the 2nd house wife, the 11th preborn, the 3rd younger brother/sisters, the 5th progeny, and the 7th house wife. It is also said that a planet in the 5th becomes a karaka for wife. The significators of the house in order are: the Sun, Jupiter, Mars, the Moon, Jupiter, Mars, Venus, Saturn, Jupiter, Mercury, Jupiter, and Saturn.* //Sun is the karaka for father, if he is placed in 9th, Sun may not support the traits relating to father.// I agree with this wholeheartedly! However for a different reason... As you know, the north Indian tradition is to take 10th house for father. And, in this respect, Sun (significator for father) placed in 9th (12th from 10th) may well be detrimental for father. Of course I appreciate the fact that we have different views on this and it's not my intention to persuade you otherwise...just sharing my view :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " ravindramani " <ravindramani <jyotish-vidya > Sunday, June 08, 2008 11:46 PM Re: Challenge: Gender Dear Mrs. Wendy, Sun is the karaka for father, if he is placed in 9th, Sun may not support the traits relating to father. This is what I understand. My son and my daughter comes from the 5th house and they are my family members. 11th house, from where my elder sibling comes he is my family member. Jupiter is certainly considerd for teacher when we examin 9th house for that particular signification. I agree. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2008 Dear C.S.Ravindramani, Indians are all Taurus people!!! =) becuase taurus is their national sign. My chandra-lagna is Taurus. I therefore LOVE the poetry and flowery language of my favorite nationality, India, and my favorite books, the Vedas. At the same time people who are not Taurus-favorable or taurus-minded may have a hard time understanding the meanings in the vedas and they may seem exaggerated or self-contradictory, because of their poetic and artistic bent. Thus even in Jyotish-sastra we have so many dramatic and profound statements. Like, " A person with planet A in bhava B will become a king. " or even, perhaps, " A person with Guru in Labha is the eldest child " . Not much care is taken to systematically or non-poetically describe the exceptions and modifications. You have noted that there are exceptions or modifications to your Guru/ Labha rule of thumb. Please explain what they are, for the benefit of all us who are listening eagerly. Thanks! Respectfully, Vic On Jun 7, 2008, at 8:16 PM, ravindramani wrote: > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > > This thumb rule has been tested for a considerable time on charts > even before the advent of Internet Jyotish Groups. It has a > brilliant logic based on the instructions of the sages in classics. > As you are aware, this kind of rule has its own exceptions as that of > other rules. There are four exceptions to this as far as my > knowledge goes. Thumb rule of such of these are used to know the > correctness of the chart at a glance before going into detail. This > rule works fine. (Between 60 to 65% of cases.) Rest of the 30 to 35 > per cent falls under the exceptions. You will kindly appreciate one > should know the exceptions along the rule. It is for the students to > experiment them and to come to a conclusion whether to use or discard > a rule. > > See the Jupiter in my chart. Cast the chart of Deepak Sharma (you > might have already done) who has given his life events in detail > recently in the Group. His Jupiter is in 11th house. He is the > eldest to his parents. But in my view, his lagna needs a slight > correction. > > I noted your comments regarding your departed sister. > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " > <jyotishvidya wrote: >> >> Dear Ravindramani, >> >> //PS: Those interested on the thread, test this simple thumb rule > in >> their collection of charts, if Jupiter is placed in 11th house, the >> native could be the eldest to his or her parents. Alternatively, he >> or she could be eldest in his or her sex.// >> >> Yes, I've see this thumb-rule put forward several times on > different >> groups and have been watching charts with this in mind. Just one > example >> that comes quickly to mind (that doesn't hold up to this) is my > dearly >> departed sister, Beverley. She, with lagnesh Jupiter in 7th, was > the >> eldest of eight daughters. However, what tells me that she was the > eldest >> is 11th lord's occupancy of 12th along with 11th karaka's > dispositor >> (Mercury). These things, to my mind, have denied her elder siblings. >> >> Best Wishes, >> Mrs. Wendy >> http://JyotishVidya.com >> ___ > > > > --- > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2008 > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > I have had a quick look at Deepak's chart and, according to the data > given, I get Virgo rising with Jupiter in 10th?? Perhaps other members > could cast the chart to confirm this. Adjust it so that Leo rises. Then everything will fall into place. > BTW perhaps we could take Deepak's chart up for study. I just did a quick analysis of it for him. But would not share it without his express permission. > I had noticed his bhukti lord Sun (in dasa of Jupiter) is conjunct > 8th lord Mars (in 8th) along with 10th lord Mercury...8th = > upheaval, calamity, change etc.. Consider if the Lagna is leo... you will get the same effects but from different causes. Yours, Vic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2008 Dear Ravindramani & Mrs. Wendy, I am both the eldest and the youngest, and my Jupiter is in the 10th. Yours, Vic On Jun 7, 2008, at 10:47 PM, Wendy Vasicek wrote: > PS: Here is another example of a native born eldest in his family. > In his > chart, Jupiter occupies 8th... > > Male (eldest in family) > Aug 19 1929 (13.25) > Edinburgh, Scotland > Lagna: Libra 16°58'20 " > _ > > Dear Ravindramani, > > //There are four exceptions to this as far as my knowledge goes.// > > When you have the time could you please share with us the four > exceptions > to this rule. Also can this rule be found in any classic text? I don't > recall having seen it; but of course I could have and simply forgot, > this > is quite possible. I would sincerely like to know the foundation on > which > this rule stands and would be grateful if you could point me to some > reference to this. > > //Cast the chart of Deepak Sharma (you might have already done) who > has > given his life events in detail recently in the Group. His Jupiter > is in > 11th house. He is the eldest to his parents. But in my view, his > lagna > needs a slight correction.// > > I have had a quick look at Deepak's chart and, according to the data > given, I get Virgo rising with Jupiter in 10th?? Perhaps other members > could cast the chart to confirm this. BTW perhaps we could take > Deepak's > chart up for study. I had noticed his bhukti lord Sun (in dasa of > Jupiter) is conjunct 8th lord Mars (in 8th) along with 10th lord > Mercury...8th = upheaval, calamity, change etc.. > > PS: Here is another chart (Swami Jnanananda) > http://webpages.charter.net/rayudu/jnanananda.htm > He, with Jupiter in 9th, was the eldest of his family... > > My eldest Son (Andrew) has lagnesh Jupiter in lagna...although > there's a > bit of a twist here! I wonder if anyone can see it? > > In the spirit of impartiality, I do have the chart of a native with > Jupiter in 11th who is the eldest in her family. This however can be > seen > (I believe) by judging both the 2nd house of family and the native's > lagna, along with the dasa at birth (KE-SU-MA). See data below. > > Female (elder in family) > 25 Oct 1969 (07:20AM) > Fremantle, WA > Australia > > Best Wishes, > Mrs. Wendy > http://JyotishVidya.com > ___ > > > > --- > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2008 Dear Vic, These are the rules picked up from Bhrigu nadi. I never had the time to check these, because time is short and targets to meet are too many, and the eldest or the youngest was never my desire to find out in a chart, so never gave time to this. But if someone has time, then they can research. Having Mars in the 12th house - Native will have on elder brother. Jupiter having Mars in 2nd house - Native will have younger brother. ( This is only one combination) Jupiter having Ketu in 12th to its place - No elder brother. Jupiter has no planets behind him - Native will be eldest son of the family. Jupiter having Moon in 11th house - Native will have elder sister ( Here I feel Jupiter having Moon in 12th may give elder sister, though not sure. ) best wishes, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote: > > Dear Ravindramani & Mrs. Wendy, > > I am both the eldest and the youngest, and my Jupiter is in the 10th. > > Yours, > Vic > > > On Jun 7, 2008, at 10:47 PM, Wendy Vasicek wrote: > > > PS: Here is another example of a native born eldest in his family. > > In his > > chart, Jupiter occupies 8th... > > > > Male (eldest in family) > > Aug 19 1929 (13.25) > > Edinburgh, Scotland > > Lagna: Libra 16°58'20 " > > _ > > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > //There are four exceptions to this as far as my knowledge goes.// > > > > When you have the time could you please share with us the four > > exceptions > > to this rule. Also can this rule be found in any classic text? I don't > > recall having seen it; but of course I could have and simply forgot, > > this > > is quite possible. I would sincerely like to know the foundation on > > which > > this rule stands and would be grateful if you could point me to some > > reference to this. > > > > //Cast the chart of Deepak Sharma (you might have already done) who > > has > > given his life events in detail recently in the Group. His Jupiter > > is in > > 11th house. He is the eldest to his parents. But in my view, his > > lagna > > needs a slight correction.// > > > > I have had a quick look at Deepak's chart and, according to the data > > given, I get Virgo rising with Jupiter in 10th?? Perhaps other members > > could cast the chart to confirm this. BTW perhaps we could take > > Deepak's > > chart up for study. I had noticed his bhukti lord Sun (in dasa of > > Jupiter) is conjunct 8th lord Mars (in 8th) along with 10th lord > > Mercury...8th = upheaval, calamity, change etc.. > > > > PS: Here is another chart (Swami Jnanananda) > > http://webpages.charter.net/rayudu/jnanananda.htm > > He, with Jupiter in 9th, was the eldest of his family... > > > > My eldest Son (Andrew) has lagnesh Jupiter in lagna...although > > there's a > > bit of a twist here! I wonder if anyone can see it? > > > > In the spirit of impartiality, I do have the chart of a native with > > Jupiter in 11th who is the eldest in her family. This however can be > > seen > > (I believe) by judging both the 2nd house of family and the native's > > lagna, along with the dasa at birth (KE-SU-MA). See data below. > > > > Female (elder in family) > > 25 Oct 1969 (07:20AM) > > Fremantle, WA > > Australia > > > > Best Wishes, > > Mrs. Wendy > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > ___ > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 8, 2008 Dear Vic, ///> I had noticed his bhukti lord Sun (in dasa of Jupiter) is conjunct > 8th lord Mars (in 8th) along with 10th lord Mercury...8th = > upheaval, calamity, change etc.. Consider if the Lagna is leo... you will get the same effects but from different causes./// Indeed! I had noted that :-) ///I just did a quick analysis of it for him. But would not share it without his express permission./// Deepak has already put his details forward to the group with a request for a reading. We can therefore assume that permission has been given. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Vic D " <vicdicara <jyotish-vidya > Monday, June 09, 2008 2:22 AM Re: Re: Challenge: Gender > Dear Mrs. Wendy, > I have had a quick look at Deepak's chart and, according to the data > given, I get Virgo rising with Jupiter in 10th?? Perhaps other members > could cast the chart to confirm this. Adjust it so that Leo rises. Then everything will fall into place. > BTW perhaps we could take Deepak's chart up for study. I just did a quick analysis of it for him. But would not share it without his express permission. > I had noticed his bhukti lord Sun (in dasa of Jupiter) is conjunct > 8th lord Mars (in 8th) along with 10th lord Mercury...8th = > upheaval, calamity, change etc.. Consider if the Lagna is leo... you will get the same effects but from different causes. Yours, Vic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 9, 2008 Dear Sir, There are astrologers, who do not have a soft copy or a hard copy of Classical books what we have today in our hands. They don't have computers and accurate software to cast charts. They have very sound knowledge in astrological principles and experience. Their success rate of prediction is very high. They don't easily explain or reveal their line of argument to you. Neither discloses their source nor does their logic why they arrive at a certain conclusion. The reasons are best known to them. One such astrologer, (he is a nadi astrologer), at a glance over a chart, told a person, " you have stealing habit or thievish tendencies, curtail them else you would face disgrace soon. I asked him, " What is the combination " ? His curt reply was, look for Moon in 8th. Sir, Can you elaborate a little further, I can't spoon feed you. Look for your self. After some time, I asked my teacher/guide, is this true? He said. Yes. It is a classical principle but with exceptions. He said, along with position of Moon in 8th, examine the 5th house, and find out any malefic influence on the house and the position of 5th lord then this rule would work. Sir, any other exceptions to this, he was smiling like a child, he said; find out yourself that is the basic requirement of a research student, I would not be available whenever you are examining a chart. He was very polite in his expression. >>>You have noted that there are exceptions or modifications to your Guru/Labha rule of thumb. Please explain what they are, for the benefit ofall us who are listening eagerly.>>> This is not my rule. I simply posted what came in my way after finding it working. I hope that I would certainly do that, it would take some time, and I need somebody's permission. Regards, Yours sincerely, C.S. Ravindramani. PS: Moon in 8th, under certain conditions, protects the chart like a Goddess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 9, 2008 Hi Ravindramani You said... " " PS: Moon in 8th, under certain conditions, protects the chart like a Goddess. " " Can you give some example regarding this? Or why this should be so? Rajeev ravindramani <ravindramani jyotish-vidya Monday, 9 June, 2008 3:23:39 PM Re: Challenge: Gender Dear Sir, There are astrologers, who do not have a soft copy or a hard copy of Classical books what we have today in our hands. They don't have computers and accurate software to cast charts. They have very sound knowledge in astrological principles and experience. Their success rate of prediction is very high. They don't easily explain or reveal their line of argument to you. Neither discloses their source nor does their logic why they arrive at a certain conclusion. The reasons are best known to them. One such astrologer, (he is a nadi astrologer), at a glance over a chart, told a person, " you have stealing habit or thievish tendencies, curtail them else you would face disgrace soon. I asked him, " What is the combination " ? His curt reply was, look for Moon in 8th. Sir, Can you elaborate a little further, I can't spoon feed you. Look for your self. After some time, I asked my teacher/guide, is this true? He said. Yes. It is a classical principle but with exceptions. He said, along with position of Moon in 8th, examine the 5th house, and find out any malefic influence on the house and the position of 5th lord then this rule would work. Sir, any other exceptions to this, he was smiling like a child, he said; find out yourself that is the basic requirement of a research student, I would not be available whenever you are examining a chart. He was very polite in his expression. >>>You have noted that there are exceptions or modifications to your Guru/Labha rule of thumb. Please explain what they are, for the benefit ofall us who are listening eagerly.>>> This is not my rule. I simply posted what came in my way after finding it working. I hope that I would certainly do that, it would take some time, and I need somebody's permission. Regards, Yours sincerely, C.S. Ravindramani. PS: Moon in 8th, under certain conditions, protects the chart like a Goddess. From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos./groups/citygroups/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 9, 2008 Dear Ravindramani I agree with what u have conveyed here, we can't expect gurus to be a paper book type to reveal all, if we have the light within to light a dark question we will find the answers all the gurus can do is show us some paths. we have to find a model that works for ourself. this is true in all traditional knowledge and most of them are based on spiritual, cosmic, dharmic, yogic pillars and those who have a base on these tend to do better. else we can find a good software programwe mastering the subject and writing a s/w to replaces human beings which will never happen as far as Jyotish is concerned as what one is destined to know from a v good astrologer or even a bad one is only if at that time he is destined to be pre-warned, else post event most ppl can analyse it even if we r not told what happened if someone asks how was the period from past few yrs or some time inbetween a particular yr , many can still tell u perfectly, but why did they not meet this astrologer/s earlier? it is pure karmic debt that needed to be spent before knowing if we have a surplus positive karma we can get a timely advice Many secrets get into shadow zone if it is destined not to be told and once they leave we recall it. here god gives us the clue we can deal with it if they come back or don't come back that they had to face the good or bad time before knowing it for us the sutras r just refreshed by such occurances. and also be a silent spectator. Best wishes Prashant kumar On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 3:23 PM, ravindramani <ravindramani wrote: > Dear Sir, > > There are astrologers, who do not have a soft copy or a hard copy of > Classical books what we have today in our hands. They don't have > computers and accurate software to cast charts. They have very sound > knowledge in astrological principles and experience. Their success > rate of prediction is very high. They don't easily explain or > reveal their line of argument to you. Neither discloses their source > nor does their logic why they arrive at a certain conclusion. The > reasons are best known to them. > > One such astrologer, (he is a nadi astrologer), at a glance over a > chart, told a person, " you have stealing habit or thievish > tendencies, curtail them else you would face disgrace soon. I asked > him, " What is the combination " ? His curt reply was, look for Moon in > 8th. Sir, Can you elaborate a little further, I can't spoon feed > you. Look for your self. > > After some time, I asked my teacher/guide, is this true? He said. > Yes. It is a classical principle but with exceptions. He said, along > with position of Moon in 8th, examine the 5th house, and find out any > malefic influence on the house and the position of 5th lord then this > rule would work. Sir, any other exceptions to this, he was smiling > like a child, he said; find out yourself that is the basic > requirement of a research student, I would not be available whenever > you are examining a chart. He was very polite in his expression. > > >>>You have noted that there are exceptions or modifications to your > Guru/Labha rule of thumb. Please explain what they are, for the > benefit ofall us who are listening eagerly.>>> > > This is not my rule. I simply posted what came in my way after > finding it working. I hope that I would certainly do that, it would > take some time, and I need somebody's permission. > > Regards, Yours sincerely, C.S. Ravindramani. > > PS: Moon in 8th, under certain conditions, protects the chart like a > Goddess. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 9, 2008 Dear Ravindramani, If that should be your style, not disclosing knowledge, then why join a jyotish discussion group? If those are your heroes, then better to move to a village without cellular and begin preparing the palm leaves for your readings. But your point is that there is no better teacher than experience. And that point is surely very valid. Yours, Vic On Jun 9, 2008, at 2:53 AM, ravindramani wrote: > Dear Sir, > > There are astrologers, who do not have a soft copy or a hard copy of > Classical books what we have today in our hands. They don't have > computers and accurate software to cast charts. They have very sound > knowledge in astrological principles and experience. Their success > rate of prediction is very high. They don't easily explain or > reveal their line of argument to you. Neither discloses their source > nor does their logic why they arrive at a certain conclusion. The > reasons are best known to them. > > One such astrologer, (he is a nadi astrologer), at a glance over a > chart, told a person, " you have stealing habit or thievish > tendencies, curtail them else you would face disgrace soon. I asked > him, " What is the combination " ? His curt reply was, look for Moon in > 8th. Sir, Can you elaborate a little further, I can't spoon feed > you. Look for your self. > > After some time, I asked my teacher/guide, is this true? He said. > Yes. It is a classical principle but with exceptions. He said, along > with position of Moon in 8th, examine the 5th house, and find out any > malefic influence on the house and the position of 5th lord then this > rule would work. Sir, any other exceptions to this, he was smiling > like a child, he said; find out yourself that is the basic > requirement of a research student, I would not be available whenever > you are examining a chart. He was very polite in his expression. > >>>> You have noted that there are exceptions or modifications to your > Guru/Labha rule of thumb. Please explain what they are, for the > benefit ofall us who are listening eagerly.>>> > > This is not my rule. I simply posted what came in my way after > finding it working. I hope that I would certainly do that, it would > take some time, and I need somebody's permission. > > Regards, Yours sincerely, C.S. Ravindramani. > > PS: Moon in 8th, under certain conditions, protects the chart like a > Goddess. > > > > --- > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 9, 2008 Dear Eagle Rajeev: Allow me to butt in =) I don't know exactly what R.mani is referring to, but Consider the psychic powers potentially available to with Chandra and Randhra (moon in 8th)!!! Now I would like to make a statement to all and with confidence... Q: There are so many rules and exceptions, it seems almost impossible to memorize them all A: Yes, because if you try to learn by memorization you will never be good at astrology or *anything* else. Q: Then, how to learn astrology? A: Learn the *principles*, study the *building blocks* - and use your intuitive intelligence to determine the outcome when all the principles and building blocks are put together like a recipie in each unique horoscope that you look at. Moon in 8th being both awesome and terrible at the same time is a fine example of THIS principle. Better not to memorize " rules of thumb " but to deeply understand the buildingblocks and natures of the rashis, grahas, and bhavas. Yours, Vic On Jun 9, 2008, at 5:11 AM, EagleEye Trader wrote: > Hi Ravindramani > You said... " " PS: Moon in 8th, under certain conditions, protects > the chart like a Goddess. " " > Can you give some example regarding this? > Or why this should be so? > Rajeev > > > > ravindramani <ravindramani > jyotish-vidya > Monday, 9 June, 2008 3:23:39 PM > Re: Challenge: Gender > > > Dear Sir, > > There are astrologers, who do not have a soft copy or a hard copy of > Classical books what we have today in our hands. They don't have > computers and accurate software to cast charts. They have very sound > knowledge in astrological principles and experience. Their success > rate of prediction is very high. They don't easily explain or > reveal their line of argument to you. Neither discloses their source > nor does their logic why they arrive at a certain conclusion. The > reasons are best known to them. > > One such astrologer, (he is a nadi astrologer), at a glance over a > chart, told a person, " you have stealing habit or thievish > tendencies, curtail them else you would face disgrace soon. I asked > him, " What is the combination " ? His curt reply was, look for Moon in > 8th. Sir, Can you elaborate a little further, I can't spoon feed > you. Look for your self. > > After some time, I asked my teacher/guide, is this true? He said. > Yes. It is a classical principle but with exceptions. He said, along > with position of Moon in 8th, examine the 5th house, and find out any > malefic influence on the house and the position of 5th lord then this > rule would work. Sir, any other exceptions to this, he was smiling > like a child, he said; find out yourself that is the basic > requirement of a research student, I would not be available whenever > you are examining a chart. He was very polite in his expression. > >>>> You have noted that there are exceptions or modifications to your > Guru/Labha rule of thumb. Please explain what they are, for the > benefit ofall us who are listening eagerly.>>> > > This is not my rule. I simply posted what came in my way after > finding it working. I hope that I would certainly do that, it would > take some time, and I need somebody's permission. > > Regards, Yours sincerely, C.S. Ravindramani. > > PS: Moon in 8th, under certain conditions, protects the chart like a > Goddess. > > > > > From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Go to http://in.promos./groups/citygroups/ > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 9, 2008 Dear Sir, Thankyou for your comments. You know me only through two or three posts. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote: > > Dear Ravindramani, > > If that should be your style, not disclosing knowledge, then why join > a jyotish discussion group? If those are your heroes, then better to > move to a village without cellular and begin preparing the palm leaves > for your readings. > > But your point is that there is no better teacher than experience. And > that point is surely very valid. > > Yours, > Vic > > On Jun 9, 2008, at 2:53 AM, ravindramani wrote: > > > Dear Sir, > > > > There are astrologers, who do not have a soft copy or a hard copy of > > Classical books what we have today in our hands. They don't have > > computers and accurate software to cast charts. They have very sound > > knowledge in astrological principles and experience. Their success > > rate of prediction is very high. They don't easily explain or > > reveal their line of argument to you. Neither discloses their source > > nor does their logic why they arrive at a certain conclusion. The > > reasons are best known to them. > > > > One such astrologer, (he is a nadi astrologer), at a glance over a > > chart, told a person, " you have stealing habit or thievish > > tendencies, curtail them else you would face disgrace soon. I asked > > him, " What is the combination " ? His curt reply was, look for Moon in > > 8th. Sir, Can you elaborate a little further, I can't spoon feed > > you. Look for your self. > > > > After some time, I asked my teacher/guide, is this true? He said. > > Yes. It is a classical principle but with exceptions. He said, along > > with position of Moon in 8th, examine the 5th house, and find out any > > malefic influence on the house and the position of 5th lord then this > > rule would work. Sir, any other exceptions to this, he was smiling > > like a child, he said; find out yourself that is the basic > > requirement of a research student, I would not be available whenever > > you are examining a chart. He was very polite in his expression. > > > >>>> You have noted that there are exceptions or modifications to your > > Guru/Labha rule of thumb. Please explain what they are, for the > > benefit ofall us who are listening eagerly.>>> > > > > This is not my rule. I simply posted what came in my way after > > finding it working. I hope that I would certainly do that, it would > > take some time, and I need somebody's permission. > > > > Regards, Yours sincerely, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > PS: Moon in 8th, under certain conditions, protects the chart like a > > Goddess. > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 9, 2008 Dear Rajeev, The placement of Moon in 8th is not preferable for longevity. The placement is known as " Balarishta " . The inherent weakness in the chart does not allow the child to live long. This inherent weakness could manifest as diseases, even that could be stamped as incurable, in the adverse dashas, within a period of approximately 8 years. The same placement is to protect the child under certain conditions. That is known as Arista Bhanga. When Moon in 8th protects the child in the following conditions: a. if the child birth takes place at night in Shukla Paksha b. if the child birth takes place at day in Krishna Paksha Regards, C.S. Ravindramani PS: why I mentioned this in my closing remarks? I was discussing about the placement of moon in 8th which gives tendency to steal and its exception. A novice in astrology should not jump to a conclusion that the placement of Moon is always bad and it gives only a bad result. jyotish-vidya , EagleEye Trader <eagleeyetrades wrote: > > Hi Ravindramani > You said... " " PS: Moon in 8th, under certain conditions, protects the chart like a Goddess. " " > Can you give some example regarding this? > Or why this should be so? > Rajeev Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 10, 2008 Dear Ravindramani I was looking at the chart of a new born. Leo Ascendant. Jupiter in 5th. Su, Me, Ve in 10th. Ke, Ma in 12th Ra in 6th. Sa, Moon in 1st. Some good points are Ve and Ju in self houses. and benefifs in 10th with sun. But i was concerned about Sa and Moon in first. Generally Sa in 1st house is MaranKarak. Also Saturn within 1degree of Moon has a strong effect on mind. Also in leo lagna saturn would tend to give negative effects on both body and mind. specifically, what could be the probable effects when saturn has proximity to moon and also sits in 1st house. Regards Rajeev ravindramani <ravindramani jyotish-vidya Tuesday, 10 June, 2008 10:02:41 AM Re: Challenge: Gender Dear Rajeev, The placement of Moon in 8th is not preferable for longevity. The placement is known as " Balarishta " . The inherent weakness in the chart does not allow the child to live long. This inherent weakness could manifest as diseases, even that could be stamped as incurable, in the adverse dashas, within a period of approximately 8 years. The same placement is to protect the child under certain conditions. That is known as Arista Bhanga. When Moon in 8th protects the child in the following conditions: a. if the child birth takes place at night in Shukla Paksha b. if the child birth takes place at day in Krishna Paksha Regards, C.S. Ravindramani PS: why I mentioned this in my closing remarks? I was discussing about the placement of moon in 8th which gives tendency to steal and its exception. A novice in astrology should not jump to a conclusion that the placement of Moon is always bad and it gives only a bad result. jyotish-vidya, EagleEye Trader <eagleeyetrades@ ...> wrote: > > Hi Ravindramani > You said... " " PS: Moon in 8th, under certain conditions, protects the chart like a Goddess. " " > Can you give some example regarding this? > Or why this should be so? > Rajeev Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 10, 2008 Dear Rajeev, Better we may not discuss this chart, until and unless, the examination of a chart (if the native is below 12 years of age) is absolutely essential and necessary. Classics is of this view. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. jyotish-vidya , EagleEye Trader <eagleeyetrades wrote: > > Dear Ravindramani > I was looking at the chart of a new born. > Leo Ascendant. > Jupiter in 5th. > Su, Me, Ve in 10th. > Ke, Ma in 12th > Ra in 6th. > Sa, Moon in 1st. > Some good points are > Ve and Ju in self houses. > and benefifs in 10th with sun. > But i was concerned about Sa and Moon in first. > Generally Sa in 1st house is MaranKarak. > Also Saturn within 1degree of Moon has a strong effect on mind. > Also in leo lagna saturn would tend to give negative effects on both body and mind. > specifically, what could be the probable effects when saturn has proximity to moon and also sits in 1st house. > Regards > Rajeev > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 10, 2008 Dear Sir, It gives me great pleasure to hear from a Member of this Group that my presence is being appreciated. Thankyou, Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. jyotish-vidya , " vreality_au " <reality_v wrote: > > Dear Mr R.mani > > You hve shared much with us in the past and your presence in the > group is much appreciated. > > rgds > Su > > jyotish-vidya , " ravindramani " > <ravindramani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > Thankyou for your comments. You know me only through two or three > > posts. > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ravindramani, > > > > > > If that should be your style, not disclosing knowledge, then why > > join > > > a jyotish discussion group? If those are your heroes, then better > > to > > > move to a village without cellular and begin preparing the palm > > leaves > > > for your readings. > > > > > > But your point is that there is no better teacher than > experience. > > And > > > that point is surely very valid. > > > > > > Yours, > > > Vic > > > > > > On Jun 9, 2008, at 2:53 AM, ravindramani wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > There are astrologers, who do not have a soft copy or a hard > > copy of > > > > Classical books what we have today in our hands. They don't > have > > > > computers and accurate software to cast charts. They have very > > sound > > > > knowledge in astrological principles and experience. Their > > success > > > > rate of prediction is very high. They don't easily explain or > > > > reveal their line of argument to you. Neither discloses their > > source > > > > nor does their logic why they arrive at a certain conclusion. > > The > > > > reasons are best known to them. > > > > > > > > One such astrologer, (he is a nadi astrologer), at a glance > over > > a > > > > chart, told a person, " you have stealing habit or thievish > > > > tendencies, curtail them else you would face disgrace soon. I > > asked > > > > him, " What is the combination " ? His curt reply was, look for > > Moon in > > > > 8th. Sir, Can you elaborate a little further, I can't spoon > feed > > > > you. Look for your self. > > > > > > > > After some time, I asked my teacher/guide, is this true? He > > said. > > > > Yes. It is a classical principle but with exceptions. He said, > > along > > > > with position of Moon in 8th, examine the 5th house, and find > > out any > > > > malefic influence on the house and the position of 5th lord > then > > this > > > > rule would work. Sir, any other exceptions to this, he was > > smiling > > > > like a child, he said; find out yourself that is the basic > > > > requirement of a research student, I would not be available > > whenever > > > > you are examining a chart. He was very polite in his > > expression. > > > > > > > >>>> You have noted that there are exceptions or modifications to > > your > > > > Guru/Labha rule of thumb. Please explain what they are, for the > > > > benefit ofall us who are listening eagerly.>>> > > > > > > > > This is not my rule. I simply posted what came in my way after > > > > finding it working. I hope that I would certainly do that, it > > would > > > > take some time, and I need somebody's permission. > > > > > > > > Regards, Yours sincerely, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > > > PS: Moon in 8th, under certain conditions, protects the chart > > like a > > > > Goddess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 10, 2008 Dear Ravindramani, Your presence has always been greatly appreciated and I'm sure newer members will feel the same way as they get to know you more :-) Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " ravindramani " <ravindramani <jyotish-vidya > Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:50 PM Re: Challenge: Gender Dear Sir, It gives me great pleasure to hear from a Member of this Group that my presence is being appreciated. Thankyou, Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. jyotish-vidya , " vreality_au " <reality_v wrote: > > Dear Mr R.mani > > You hve shared much with us in the past and your presence in the > group is much appreciated. > > rgds > Su Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 10, 2008 Dear Ravindramani, I'm a Capricorn with Rahu in the 2nd house. I lose my control so easily and insult people who I actually respect quite deeply. I hope my other qualities will allow you to forgive these (hopefully) occasional slips, and dig out the meaning of what I am saying, setting aside to harsh ways I sometimes use to express myself. Sorry, Vic On Jun 9, 2008, at 8:53 PM, ravindramani wrote: > Dear Sir, > > Thankyou for your comments. You know me only through two or three > posts. > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote: >> >> Dear Ravindramani, >> >> If that should be your style, not disclosing knowledge, then why > join >> a jyotish discussion group? If those are your heroes, then better > to >> move to a village without cellular and begin preparing the palm > leaves >> for your readings. >> >> But your point is that there is no better teacher than experience. > And >> that point is surely very valid. >> >> Yours, >> Vic >> >> On Jun 9, 2008, at 2:53 AM, ravindramani wrote: >> >>> Dear Sir, >>> >>> There are astrologers, who do not have a soft copy or a hard > copy of >>> Classical books what we have today in our hands. They don't have >>> computers and accurate software to cast charts. They have very > sound >>> knowledge in astrological principles and experience. Their > success >>> rate of prediction is very high. They don't easily explain or >>> reveal their line of argument to you. Neither discloses their > source >>> nor does their logic why they arrive at a certain conclusion. > The >>> reasons are best known to them. >>> >>> One such astrologer, (he is a nadi astrologer), at a glance over > a >>> chart, told a person, " you have stealing habit or thievish >>> tendencies, curtail them else you would face disgrace soon. I > asked >>> him, " What is the combination " ? His curt reply was, look for > Moon in >>> 8th. Sir, Can you elaborate a little further, I can't spoon feed >>> you. Look for your self. >>> >>> After some time, I asked my teacher/guide, is this true? He > said. >>> Yes. It is a classical principle but with exceptions. He said, > along >>> with position of Moon in 8th, examine the 5th house, and find > out any >>> malefic influence on the house and the position of 5th lord then > this >>> rule would work. Sir, any other exceptions to this, he was > smiling >>> like a child, he said; find out yourself that is the basic >>> requirement of a research student, I would not be available > whenever >>> you are examining a chart. He was very polite in his > expression. >>> >>>>>> You have noted that there are exceptions or modifications to > your >>> Guru/Labha rule of thumb. Please explain what they are, for the >>> benefit ofall us who are listening eagerly.>>> >>> >>> This is not my rule. I simply posted what came in my way after >>> finding it working. I hope that I would certainly do that, it > would >>> take some time, and I need somebody's permission. >>> >>> Regards, Yours sincerely, C.S. Ravindramani. >>> >>> PS: Moon in 8th, under certain conditions, protects the chart > like a >>> Goddess. >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> >>> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 10, 2008 Dear Ravindramani But the chart will remain the same even after 12 years or 50 years for that matter.!! " Better we may not discuss this chart, until and unless, the examination of a chart (if the native is below 12 years of age) is absolutely essential and necessary. Classics is of this view. " I read that --- The above is true when talking about longitivity, since life till 12-18 may take abrupt turns depending on past karma which kundli may not show clearly and astro predictions would look wrong sometimes. But the above is again puzzling.. since kundli is supposed to show all such things which are expected to happen.. anyway.. If possible, your reply would be appreciated. Regards Rajeev ravindramani <ravindramani jyotish-vidya Tuesday, 10 June, 2008 6:16:13 PM Re: Challenge: Gender Dear Rajeev, Better we may not discuss this chart, until and unless, the examination of a chart (if the native is below 12 years of age) is absolutely essential and necessary. Classics is of this view. Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. jyotish-vidya, EagleEye Trader <eagleeyetrades@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Ravindramani > I was looking at the chart of a new born. > Leo Ascendant. > Jupiter in 5th. > Su, Me, Ve in 10th. > Ke, Ma in 12th > Ra in 6th. > Sa, Moon in 1st. > Some good points are > Ve and Ju in self houses. > and benefifs in 10th with sun. > But i was concerned about Sa and Moon in first. > Generally Sa in 1st house is MaranKarak. > Also Saturn within 1degree of Moon has a strong effect on mind. > Also in leo lagna saturn would tend to give negative effects on both body and mind. > specifically, what could be the probable effects when saturn has proximity to moon and also sits in 1st house. > Regards > Rajeev > > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Go to http://in.promos./groups/bestof/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 10, 2008 Dear Rajeev, In BPHS, Sri Parashar states that reading charts to people under 20ish is different. Care must be taken in certain matters, he explicitly states health and longevity, but by extension apply your intelligence and extend the statement to many other matters. I reason that this is because (A) all planetary influences do not come into effect yet, and (B) there is too much uncertainty in early life which is not ascribable to previous karma. On the other hand... When is the usual time, however, that a newborns chart is read. I believe it is quite early. Take Sri Krishna and his brother Balarama, for example. Gargamuni was there within a day or two explaining their horoscopes to Yasoda and Nanda. Lets say you see a 70 year longevity in a newborns chart. You still need to be aware that anything can happen unexpectedly due to bhootas, witches, prachetas, etc. and other strangeness. So you can't say - " This child will live to be 70 " then the mother sighs in relief and stops being so careful, then the child dies of an accident. You have to advise extreme precaution through the initial 6 years and a very watchful eye through the next 10. As long as they don't let any accidents happen from unforseeable influences, then the child can expect to live to see 70 years. - Vic On Jun 10, 2008, at 10:20 AM, EagleEye Trader wrote: > Dear Ravindramani > But the chart will remain the same even after 12 years or 50 years > for that matter.!! > " Better we may not discuss this chart, until and unless, the > examination of a chart (if the native is below 12 years of age) is > absolutely essential and necessary. Classics is of this view. > " > I read that --- The above is true when talking about longitivity, > since life till 12-18 may take abrupt turns depending on past karma > which kundli may not show clearly and astro predictions would look > wrong sometimes. > But the above is again puzzling.. since kundli is supposed to show > all such things which are expected to happen.. > anyway.. > If possible, your reply would be appreciated. > Regards > Rajeev > > > > ravindramani <ravindramani > jyotish-vidya > Tuesday, 10 June, 2008 6:16:13 PM > Re: Challenge: Gender > > > Dear Rajeev, > > Better we may not discuss this chart, until and unless, the > examination of a chart (if the native is below 12 years of age) is > absolutely essential and necessary. Classics is of this view. > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > jyotish-vidya, EagleEye Trader > <eagleeyetrades@ ...> wrote: >> >> Dear Ravindramani >> I was looking at the chart of a new born. >> Leo Ascendant. >> Jupiter in 5th. >> Su, Me, Ve in 10th. >> Ke, Ma in 12th >> Ra in 6th. >> Sa, Moon in 1st. >> Some good points are >> Ve and Ju in self houses. >> and benefifs in 10th with sun. >> But i was concerned about Sa and Moon in first. >> Generally Sa in 1st house is MaranKarak. >> Also Saturn within 1degree of Moon has a strong effect on mind. >> Also in leo lagna saturn would tend to give negative effects on > both body and mind. >> specifically, what could be the probable effects when saturn has > proximity to moon and also sits in 1st house. >> Regards >> Rajeev >> >> >> > > > > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Go to http://in.promos./groups/bestof/ > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 10, 2008 Dear Vic, I have learnt and am still learning Jyotish from many Gurus. Normally we are taught that one should not see any childs Kundli unless its a Life and death matter. But I have never given thought to this for this was not in my agenda ever. Purpose of writing this mail - Am reading the ShreemadBhagvatam currently. When Raja Parikshit was born, his family was clearly told, as soon as he was born, among other matters,that this child would be one among their lineage who would be a ardent lover of Hari,and would die by the curse of a Rishi through a snake bite. This denotes, that in olden times, it was not exactly a taboo to read a new born childs horoscope. best wishes, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote: > > Dear Rajeev, > > In BPHS, Sri Parashar states that reading charts to people under 20ish > is different. Care must be taken in certain matters, he explicitly > states health and longevity, but by extension apply your intelligence > and extend the statement to many other matters. I reason that this is > because (A) all planetary influences do not come into effect yet, and > (B) there is too much uncertainty in early life which is not > ascribable to previous karma. > > On the other hand... > > When is the usual time, however, that a newborns chart is read. I > believe it is quite early. Take Sri Krishna and his brother Balarama, > for example. Gargamuni was there within a day or two explaining their > horoscopes to Yasoda and Nanda. > > Lets say you see a 70 year longevity in a newborns chart. You still > need to be aware that anything can happen unexpectedly due to bhootas, > witches, prachetas, etc. and other strangeness. So you can't say - > " This child will live to be 70 " then the mother sighs in relief and > stops being so careful, then the child dies of an accident. You have > to advise extreme precaution through the initial 6 years and a very > watchful eye through the next 10. As long as they don't let any > accidents happen from unforseeable influences, then the child can > expect to live to see 70 years. > > - Vic > > > On Jun 10, 2008, at 10:20 AM, EagleEye Trader wrote: > > > Dear Ravindramani > > But the chart will remain the same even after 12 years or 50 years > > for that matter.!! > > " Better we may not discuss this chart, until and unless, the > > examination of a chart (if the native is below 12 years of age) is > > absolutely essential and necessary. Classics is of this view. > > " > > I read that --- The above is true when talking about longitivity, > > since life till 12-18 may take abrupt turns depending on past karma > > which kundli may not show clearly and astro predictions would look > > wrong sometimes. > > But the above is again puzzling.. since kundli is supposed to show > > all such things which are expected to happen.. > > anyway.. > > If possible, your reply would be appreciated. > > Regards > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > ravindramani <ravindramani > > jyotish-vidya > > Tuesday, 10 June, 2008 6:16:13 PM > > Re: Challenge: Gender > > > > > > Dear Rajeev, > > > > Better we may not discuss this chart, until and unless, the > > examination of a chart (if the native is below 12 years of age) is > > absolutely essential and necessary. Classics is of this view. > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > jyotish-vidya, EagleEye Trader > > <eagleeyetrades@ ...> wrote: > >> > >> Dear Ravindramani > >> I was looking at the chart of a new born. > >> Leo Ascendant. > >> Jupiter in 5th. > >> Su, Me, Ve in 10th. > >> Ke, Ma in 12th > >> Ra in 6th. > >> Sa, Moon in 1st. > >> Some good points are > >> Ve and Ju in self houses. > >> and benefifs in 10th with sun. > >> But i was concerned about Sa and Moon in first. > >> Generally Sa in 1st house is MaranKarak. > >> Also Saturn within 1degree of Moon has a strong effect on mind. > >> Also in leo lagna saturn would tend to give negative effects on > > both body and mind. > >> specifically, what could be the probable effects when saturn has > > proximity to moon and also sits in 1st house. > >> Regards > >> Rajeev > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Go to http://in.promos./groups/bestof/ > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 10, 2008 Dear Bhaskar, Vic and All, Today we see (very rarely) in this world such elevated souls who can rightfully be called seers (men of vision). Perhaps Yogi Karvi is one (today) who has such vision. He doesn't cast a chart as ordinary astrologers do...somehow he's able to see the planets themselves as they form in front of him aligning as they were at the time of the querant's birth. This ability, so rare today, was possessed by many in the golden age of the Vedas. Today, in this heavy age of KaliYuga, we have to rely on mathematical formulas to cast a horoscope which, for most of us, we can only see through dark glasses of ignorance. How can there be any comparison with the below statement... //Take Sri Krishna and his brother Balarama, for example. Gargamuni was there within a day or two explaining their horoscopes to Yasoda and Nanda.// We have to be careful when reading any chart, but most particularly the chart of a child. We should understand the power of our words and the absolute reality of self-fulfilling prophesy. The wise tell us that every thought, word and deed has a profound influence on the whole cosmos. We also have to understand that we're not reading to the child itself but to the parents; and parents have an innate tendency to worry about their child. This worry itself could manifest as reality before the child reaches maturity. Remember, the planets themselves do not mature fully until a certain age...the first to reach full maturity is Jupiter at 16yrs. I would like to say more on this topic but I'm actually supposed to be in bed sleeping at this late, late hour...so, goodnight to you all... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ___ - " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish <jyotish-vidya > Wednesday, June 11, 2008 1:57 AM Re: Challenge: Gender Dear Vic, I have learnt and am still learning Jyotish from many Gurus. Normally we are taught that one should not see any childs Kundli unless its a Life and death matter. But I have never given thought to this for this was not in my agenda ever. Purpose of writing this mail - Am reading the ShreemadBhagvatam currently. When Raja Parikshit was born, his family was clearly told, as soon as he was born, among other matters,that this child would be one among their lineage who would be a ardent lover of Hari,and would die by the curse of a Rishi through a snake bite. This denotes, that in olden times, it was not exactly a taboo to read a new born childs horoscope. best wishes, Bhaskar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 10, 2008 Dear Bhaskar ji, Namaste.. I think it is really difficult for a parent not to want to see the horoscope of the child.. It is just human nature to want a glimpse of what is to come ahead.. My understanding is that in the first few years of a child's life, the karma of the mother dominates events in the child's life and followed by the karma of the father. Some say that the karma of the siblings too have to manifest through the childs horoscope.. It is only after the child is old enough to be responsible for his own thoughts and actions, does the child steer his own destiny.. warmest regards Sheevani jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Vic, > > I have learnt and am still learning Jyotish from > many Gurus. Normally we are taught that one should > not see any childs Kundli unless its a Life and > death matter. But I have never given thought to this > for this was not in my agenda ever. > Purpose of writing this mail - > Am reading the ShreemadBhagvatam currently. > When Raja Parikshit was born, his family was clearly > told, as soon as he was born, among other matters,that > this child would be one among their lineage who would > be a ardent lover of Hari,and would die by the curse > of a Rishi through a snake bite. > > This denotes, that in olden times, it was not exactly > a taboo to read a new born childs horoscope. > > best wishes, > Bhaskar. > > > > jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rajeev, > > > > In BPHS, Sri Parashar states that reading charts to people under > 20ish > > is different. Care must be taken in certain matters, he explicitly > > states health and longevity, but by extension apply your > intelligence > > and extend the statement to many other matters. I reason that this > is > > because (A) all planetary influences do not come into effect yet, > and > > (B) there is too much uncertainty in early life which is not > > ascribable to previous karma. > > > > On the other hand... > > > > When is the usual time, however, that a newborns chart is read. I > > believe it is quite early. Take Sri Krishna and his brother > Balarama, > > for example. Gargamuni was there within a day or two explaining > their > > horoscopes to Yasoda and Nanda. > > > > Lets say you see a 70 year longevity in a newborns chart. You > still > > need to be aware that anything can happen unexpectedly due to > bhootas, > > witches, prachetas, etc. and other strangeness. So you can't say - > > " This child will live to be 70 " then the mother sighs in relief > and > > stops being so careful, then the child dies of an accident. You > have > > to advise extreme precaution through the initial 6 years and a > very > > watchful eye through the next 10. As long as they don't let any > > accidents happen from unforseeable influences, then the child can > > expect to live to see 70 years. > > > > - Vic > > > > > > On Jun 10, 2008, at 10:20 AM, EagleEye Trader wrote: > > > > > Dear Ravindramani > > > But the chart will remain the same even after 12 years or 50 > years > > > for that matter.!! > > > " Better we may not discuss this chart, until and unless, the > > > examination of a chart (if the native is below 12 years of age) is > > > absolutely essential and necessary. Classics is of this view. > > > " > > > I read that --- The above is true when talking about > longitivity, > > > since life till 12-18 may take abrupt turns depending on past > karma > > > which kundli may not show clearly and astro predictions would > look > > > wrong sometimes. > > > But the above is again puzzling.. since kundli is supposed to > show > > > all such things which are expected to happen.. > > > anyway.. > > > If possible, your reply would be appreciated. > > > Regards > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > ravindramani <ravindramani@> > > > jyotish-vidya > > > Tuesday, 10 June, 2008 6:16:13 PM > > > Re: Challenge: Gender > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev, > > > > > > Better we may not discuss this chart, until and unless, the > > > examination of a chart (if the native is below 12 years of age) is > > > absolutely essential and necessary. Classics is of this view. > > > > > > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani. > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, EagleEye Trader > > > <eagleeyetrades@ ...> wrote: > > >> > > >> Dear Ravindramani > > >> I was looking at the chart of a new born. > > >> Leo Ascendant. > > >> Jupiter in 5th. > > >> Su, Me, Ve in 10th. > > >> Ke, Ma in 12th > > >> Ra in 6th. > > >> Sa, Moon in 1st. > > >> Some good points are > > >> Ve and Ju in self houses. > > >> and benefifs in 10th with sun. > > >> But i was concerned about Sa and Moon in first. > > >> Generally Sa in 1st house is MaranKarak. > > >> Also Saturn within 1degree of Moon has a strong effect on mind. > > >> Also in leo lagna saturn would tend to give negative effects on > > > both body and mind. > > >> specifically, what could be the probable effects when saturn > has > > > proximity to moon and also sits in 1st house. > > >> Regards > > >> Rajeev > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meet people who discuss and share your passions. 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