Predictive amsa Principles

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Dear Ms Anna

 

Yes lots of struggle.The more one tries,the more one is tested.Yes

success will come in the direction in which soul is supposed to move.

(Rahu dasha combined with other planets like Mars).Not necessarily

in material terms always.Material success may be attained,if other

Rajayogas are present.Vargottama lagna and Moon are helpful when

other planets influence them.

 

In the case of shri Bhaskar ,Vargottama lagna is influenced by Mars

and Rahu and hence the infleunces on lagna are exerted by Mars and

Rahu.

 

Thanks for sharing your experience.

 

Regds

Pradeep

 

 

, 108ar <bona_mente wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep,

> Let me add one more thing I've learned so far. Mars/Rahu

combination appears in charts of many famous personalities-

difficult combination seems to give drive and energy and stamina to

succeed. I remember Robert Koch once said that best educated /PhD/

people tend to have this contact present in their chart- so far my

experience confirms.

> Success indicated here comes with high price, but comes.

> Regards,

> Anna

> vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> Dear Ms Anna

>

> Thanks for the feed back.Yes my father has Mars ,Moon,Rahu in the

> 11th -scorpio.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

>

> , 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep, Finn, all,

> >

> > Mars/Rahu does create VijayaYoga, but it's very difficult

> combination anyway- victory-yes, eventually, but after lots of

> stuggle/suffering.

> > Pls. see Albert Einsten's chart: seems to be a perfect example.

> > My 2ct.

> > Regards,

> > Anna

> >

> > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > Dear Mr.Wandahl

> >

> > It is great to see you back after a long time.I would love if

Raoji

> > can also return.

> >

> > Infact i had just given my opinion when Yogakaraka effect was

> > discussed,without takin care of the affliction.

> >

> > From my observation,Rajayoga happens and at the same time

natural

> > malefic effects will also be experienced in some areas.My

personal

> > case was not relating to Leo lagna.

> >

> > From your valuable feed back,i notice that my observations are

in

> > line with what you have said.Thanks a lot for this

confirmation.I

> hve

> > seen Chandrashekhar ji too expressing similar views in the past.

> >

> > Respect

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , " Finn Wandahl " <wandahl@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > I far as I can understand you are debating the effect of Mars

and

> > > Rahu placed in the Leo-Ascendant. I have seen this

> > > Mars/Rahu-combination quite a number of times, unfortunately

> always

> > > with mostly bad results.

> > > But as far as I can see two different levels of interpretation

is

> > > being mixed up in this debate. First of all, Mars and Rahu as

two

> > > natural malefics in the 1st house is bad. Then Mars becomes a

> > > functional benefic, or the Yoga Karaka if you like, by ruling

4th

> > and 9th.

> > > This however only means that there will be some limited benefic

> > > effects pertaining to the 4th and 9th house. Please don't

forget

> the

> > > fact that 4th & 9th lord in still conjunct to Rahu...

> > >

> > > Finn

> > >

> > >

> > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Styaji

> > > >

> > > > Yoga karaka is one thing.Affliction is anoter thing.I have

> > > > experienced this in my chart and i know it very

well,regarding

> > how

> > > > Rahu gives Rajayoga.However we should not forget the malefic

> > nture

> > > > and aiction.That too has a role to play.God's grace alon

saves

> us.

> > > >

> > > > I know from your discussions that you have maintained a

> balanced

> > > > view.Though it is quite natural to get biased,my request

would

> be

> > to

> > > > see things in an objective fashion.

> > > >

> > > > You have not replied on the Swamsha interpretation of Raoji.

> > > >

> > > > Regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > , SPK <aquaris_rising@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Mr. Satyaji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he asked

> > > > > for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you are

> > > > > suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a benefic

> > > > > influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is

> > > > > saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It

> > > > > will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference between

> > > > > static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things

> > > > > then do not use them.

> > > > >

> > > > > Satish

> > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sri Raja,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here

> > > > > > Satish is pointing

> > > > > > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is

> > > > > > not appropriate

> > > > > > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to

> > > > > > you for

> > > > > > predictions, do you make fun of your client's

> > > > > > horoscope, as an

> > > > > > astrologer?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing

> > > > > > out was absolute

> > > > > > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely

> > > > > > benefic as 4th and

> > > > > > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one

> > > > > > of the six lagnas

> > > > > > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and

> > > > > > Vrishabha) that

> > > > > > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna

> > > > > > lord itself. The

> > > > > > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka

> > > > > > other than the

> > > > > > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology.

> > > > > > Besides

> > > > > > presenting false information, he is making fun of

> > > > > > the horoscope. You

> > > > > > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing

> > > > > > so.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What is bothering rest of the members is the way the

> > > > > > one-sided

> > > > > > argument people are making restlessly to make others

> > > > > > accept their

> > > > > > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge

> > > > > > sharing going

> > > > > > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why

> > > > > > cann't people

> > > > > > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are

> > > > > > free to publish

> > > > > > their books and articles and see how it reaches the

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > astrological community, rather than bothering the

> > > > > > whole group?

> > > > > > Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate

> > > > > > the theories

> > > > > > and look for any theory supporters.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Raja

> > > > > > Gursahani "

> > > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in

> > > > > > this group. I

> > > > > > think you

> > > > > > > should seriously consider taking care of that

> > > > > > mercury affliction

> > > > > > because it

> > > > > > > is certainly bothering the rest of us.

> > > > > > participation in this group

> > > > > > is based

> > > > > > > on common decency. I once again feel that you are

> > > > > > causing all

> > > > > > sorts of

> > > > > > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and

> > > > > > ridicule others

> > > > > > then you

> > > > > > > certainly need to vacate immediately.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > namaskar,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > ________

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > ________

> > > > ______________

> > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from

> > someone

> > > > who knows. Answers - Check it out.

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[Guest guest]

Dear Mr.Wandahl

 

 

Thanks for the educative suggestions.Especially asking the horoscope

a question.

 

Yes the house lords conjuncting Rahu will have to experience,the

results by virtue of malefic nature.Mars and Rahu acting as two

malefics are also to be seen,before predicting allround elevation or

great results.

 

In the case of Mahatma Gandhi,Rahu conjuncting Moon might have given

certain eccentrities and these will have effect against common

understanding of - ''all good''.

 

Certain other important yogas in his horoscope,gave him the inner

trigger to counter those anomalies.Effort to practise

Satyagraha,simple life and Truth were follow ups of the divine

triggers is my understanding.

 

Thus one cannot or should not predict based on specific

combinations,just because a Rajayoga is present.

 

Hope to learn more.

 

Respect

Pradeep

 

, " Finn Wandahl " <wandahl

wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep and Anna etc...

>

> Thank you, my aim was first of all to point out maximum attention

> towards the natural benefic/malefic nature of these two planets in

the

> 1st house.

>

> Secondly I wanted to caution against giving two much importance to

> their functional nature. The suggested Raja-Yoga effect, Yoga-

Karaka

> function of Mars, this all sounds very promising and benefic. But

> benefic for what? And what does Rahu do to this presumed benefic

effect?

>

> I always ask the horoscope a precise question and look directly for

> the answer. In this case we may ask some 1st, 4th and 9th house

> questions and expect some answers. But how can these answers become

> benefic? Is a Yoga-Karaka benefic for everything in a chart? Will a

> Raja-Yoga elevate a chart also if it is polluted by Rahu?

>

> Finn

>

>

> , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr.Wandahl

> >

> > It is great to see you back after a long time.I would love if

Raoji

> > can also return.

> >

> > Infact i had just given my opinion when Yogakaraka effect was

> > discussed,without takin care of the affliction.

> >

> > From my observation,Rajayoga happens and at the same time

natural

> > malefic effects will also be experienced in some areas.My

personal

> > case was not relating to Leo lagna.

> >

> > From your valuable feed back,i notice that my observations are

in

> > line with what you have said.Thanks a lot for this

confirmation.I hve

> > seen Chandrashekhar ji too expressing similar views in the past.

> >

> > Respect

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , " Finn Wandahl "

<wandahl@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > I far as I can understand you are debating the effect of Mars

and

> > > Rahu placed in the Leo-Ascendant. I have seen this

> > > Mars/Rahu-combination quite a number of times, unfortunately

always

> > > with mostly bad results.

> > > But as far as I can see two different levels of

interpretation is

> > > being mixed up in this debate. First of all, Mars and Rahu as

two

> > > natural malefics in the 1st house is bad. Then Mars becomes a

> > > functional benefic, or the Yoga Karaka if you like, by ruling

4th

> > and 9th.

> > > This however only means that there will be some limited

benefic

> > > effects pertaining to the 4th and 9th house. Please don't

forget the

> > > fact that 4th & 9th lord in still conjunct to Rahu...

> > >

> > > Finn

> > >

> > >

> > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Styaji

> > > >

> > > > Yoga karaka is one thing.Affliction is anoter thing.I have

> > > > experienced this in my chart and i know it very

well,regarding

> > how

> > > > Rahu gives Rajayoga.However we should not forget the malefic

> > nture

> > > > and aiction.That too has a role to play.God's grace alon

saves us.

> > > >

> > > > I know from your discussions that you have maintained a

balanced

> > > > view.Though it is quite natural to get biased,my request

would be

> > to

> > > > see things in an objective fashion.

> > > >

> > > > You have not replied on the Swamsha interpretation of Raoji.

> > > >

> > > > Regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > , SPK <aquaris_rising@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Mr. Satyaji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he asked

> > > > > for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you are

> > > > > suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a benefic

> > > > > influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is

> > > > > saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It

> > > > > will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference between

> > > > > static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things

> > > > > then do not use them.

> > > > >

> > > > > Satish

> > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sri Raja,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here

> > > > > > Satish is pointing

> > > > > > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is

> > > > > > not appropriate

> > > > > > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to

> > > > > > you for

> > > > > > predictions, do you make fun of your client's

> > > > > > horoscope, as an

> > > > > > astrologer?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing

> > > > > > out was absolute

> > > > > > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely

> > > > > > benefic as 4th and

> > > > > > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one

> > > > > > of the six lagnas

> > > > > > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and

> > > > > > Vrishabha) that

> > > > > > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna

> > > > > > lord itself. The

> > > > > > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka

> > > > > > other than the

> > > > > > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology.

> > > > > > Besides

> > > > > > presenting false information, he is making fun of

> > > > > > the horoscope. You

> > > > > > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing

> > > > > > so.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What is bothering rest of the members is the way the

> > > > > > one-sided

> > > > > > argument people are making restlessly to make others

> > > > > > accept their

> > > > > > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge

> > > > > > sharing going

> > > > > > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why

> > > > > > cann't people

> > > > > > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are

> > > > > > free to publish

> > > > > > their books and articles and see how it reaches the

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > astrological community, rather than bothering the

> > > > > > whole group?

> > > > > > Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate

> > > > > > the theories

> > > > > > and look for any theory supporters.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Raja

> > > > > > Gursahani "

> > > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in

> > > > > > this group. I

> > > > > > think you

> > > > > > > should seriously consider taking care of that

> > > > > > mercury affliction

> > > > > > because it

> > > > > > > is certainly bothering the rest of us.

> > > > > > participation in this group

> > > > > > is based

> > > > > > > on common decency. I once again feel that you are

> > > > > > causing all

> > > > > > sorts of

> > > > > > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and

> > > > > > ridicule others

> > > > > > then you

> > > > > > > certainly need to vacate immediately.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > namaskar,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

__________

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> >

___________________

_

> > > > ______________

> > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from

> > someone

> > > > who knows. Answers - Check it out.

> > > > > http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545469

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Finn,

 

You've provided excellent summary on this Rahu/Mars topic , by saying

" And what does Rahu do to this presumed benefic

effect? "

I cannot answer better than you did: it will 'pollute' it. Besides, benefic

effect of Mars as YK never makes it a benefic, even if not polluted by Rahu.

What I espect from Rahu-contact-

Mars is to reduce malefic result of Rahu- which is worse malefic than Mars

/IMO/. In other words, Rahu can never be a benefic, even if 'in a good

company', whatever Rahu /seemingly/ 'gives' comes with heavy price, mostly not

worth it.

Thank you for your valuable input.

 

Regards,

Anna

 

Thank you for

 

 

vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

Dear Mr.Wandahl

 

Thanks for the educative suggestions.Especially asking the horoscope

a question.

 

Yes the house lords conjuncting Rahu will have to experience,the

results by virtue of malefic nature.Mars and Rahu acting as two

malefics are also to be seen,before predicting allround elevation or

great results.

 

In the case of Mahatma Gandhi,Rahu conjuncting Moon might have given

certain eccentrities and these will have effect against common

understanding of - ''all good''.

 

Certain other important yogas in his horoscope,gave him the inner

trigger to counter those anomalies.Effort to practise

Satyagraha,simple life and Truth were follow ups of the divine

triggers is my understanding.

 

Thus one cannot or should not predict based on specific

combinations,just because a Rajayoga is present.

 

Hope to learn more.

 

Respect

Pradeep

 

, " Finn Wandahl " <wandahl

wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeep and Anna etc...

>

> Thank you, my aim was first of all to point out maximum attention

> towards the natural benefic/malefic nature of these two planets in

the

> 1st house.

>

> Secondly I wanted to caution against giving two much importance to

> their functional nature. The suggested Raja-Yoga effect, Yoga-

Karaka

> function of Mars, this all sounds very promising and benefic. But

> benefic for what? And what does Rahu do to this presumed benefic

effect?

>

> I always ask the horoscope a precise question and look directly for

> the answer. In this case we may ask some 1st, 4th and 9th house

> questions and expect some answers. But how can these answers become

> benefic? Is a Yoga-Karaka benefic for everything in a chart? Will a

> Raja-Yoga elevate a chart also if it is polluted by Rahu?

>

> Finn

>

>

> , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr.Wandahl

> >

> > It is great to see you back after a long time.I would love if

Raoji

> > can also return.

> >

> > Infact i had just given my opinion when Yogakaraka effect was

> > discussed,without takin care of the affliction.

> >

> > From my observation,Rajayoga happens and at the same time

natural

> > malefic effects will also be experienced in some areas.My

personal

> > case was not relating to Leo lagna.

> >

> > From your valuable feed back,i notice that my observations are

in

> > line with what you have said.Thanks a lot for this

confirmation.I hve

> > seen Chandrashekhar ji too expressing similar views in the past.

> >

> > Respect

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , " Finn Wandahl "

<wandahl@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > I far as I can understand you are debating the effect of Mars

and

> > > Rahu placed in the Leo-Ascendant. I have seen this

> > > Mars/Rahu-combination quite a number of times, unfortunately

always

> > > with mostly bad results.

> > > But as far as I can see two different levels of

interpretation is

> > > being mixed up in this debate. First of all, Mars and Rahu as

two

> > > natural malefics in the 1st house is bad. Then Mars becomes a

> > > functional benefic, or the Yoga Karaka if you like, by ruling

4th

> > and 9th.

> > > This however only means that there will be some limited

benefic

> > > effects pertaining to the 4th and 9th house. Please don't

forget the

> > > fact that 4th & 9th lord in still conjunct to Rahu...

> > >

> > > Finn

> > >

> > >

> > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Styaji

> > > >

> > > > Yoga karaka is one thing.Affliction is anoter thing.I have

> > > > experienced this in my chart and i know it very

well,regarding

> > how

> > > > Rahu gives Rajayoga.However we should not forget the malefic

> > nture

> > > > and aiction.That too has a role to play.God's grace alon

saves us.

> > > >

> > > > I know from your discussions that you have maintained a

balanced

> > > > view.Though it is quite natural to get biased,my request

would be

> > to

> > > > see things in an objective fashion.

> > > >

> > > > You have not replied on the Swamsha interpretation of Raoji.

> > > >

> > > > Regds

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > , SPK <aquaris_rising@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Mr. Satyaji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he asked

> > > > > for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you are

> > > > > suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a benefic

> > > > > influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is

> > > > > saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It

> > > > > will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference between

> > > > > static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things

> > > > > then do not use them.

> > > > >

> > > > > Satish

> > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sri Raja,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here

> > > > > > Satish is pointing

> > > > > > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is

> > > > > > not appropriate

> > > > > > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to

> > > > > > you for

> > > > > > predictions, do you make fun of your client's

> > > > > > horoscope, as an

> > > > > > astrologer?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing

> > > > > > out was absolute

> > > > > > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely

> > > > > > benefic as 4th and

> > > > > > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one

> > > > > > of the six lagnas

> > > > > > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and

> > > > > > Vrishabha) that

> > > > > > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna

> > > > > > lord itself. The

> > > > > > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka

> > > > > > other than the

> > > > > > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology.

> > > > > > Besides

> > > > > > presenting false information, he is making fun of

> > > > > > the horoscope. You

> > > > > > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing

> > > > > > so.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What is bothering rest of the members is the way the

> > > > > > one-sided

> > > > > > argument people are making restlessly to make others

> > > > > > accept their

> > > > > > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge

> > > > > > sharing going

> > > > > > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why

> > > > > > cann't people

> > > > > > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are

> > > > > > free to publish

> > > > > > their books and articles and see how it reaches the

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > astrological community, rather than bothering the

> > > > > > whole group?

> > > > > > Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate

> > > > > > the theories

> > > > > > and look for any theory supporters.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Raja

> > > > > > Gursahani "

> > > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in

> > > > > > this group. I

> > > > > > think you

> > > > > > > should seriously consider taking care of that

> > > > > > mercury affliction

> > > > > > because it

> > > > > > > is certainly bothering the rest of us.

> > > > > > participation in this group

> > > > > > is based

> > > > > > > on common decency. I once again feel that you are

> > > > > > causing all

> > > > > > sorts of

> > > > > > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and

> > > > > > ridicule others

> > > > > > then you

> > > > > > > certainly need to vacate immediately.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > namaskar,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

________

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> >

________

_

> > > > ______________

> > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from

> > someone

> > > > who knows. Answers - Check it out.

> > > > > http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545469

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear all, there is apre-conceived notion about Rahu

that it is malefic, which is notgoing toi be erasable,

till we approach the matter with an open mind. I

aske the Learned Members, tell me which Planet will

give a complete Dasha full of Benefic results ? None .

 

So why blame Rahu or Mars ?

 

It would certainly be a bisaed opinion,

thinking that Rahu is malefic or

Mars is Malefic. Saturn and Jupiter both give

Cancer if connected with Ketu. Ketu which everyone

calls as Mokshkaraka , I would advise all those members

to check the Charts of those afflicted with

malignancy, and then decide. Saturn would give

a lingering disease and Ketu and Jupiter

would provide the inflammation.

 

Tell me where does Rahu come in this big disease ?

 

Okay tell me where does Rahu come in HIV ?

 

So lets not make biased judgements,

and treat all planets as alike,

just keeoping their characteristics in mind.

 

Rahu - Cuts

Mars - Blood

Saturn- lingering

Jupiter- Inflammation

Venus - Sexual diseases

Sun - Blindness

Mercury- Skin related.

Moon - Mental.

 

So here we have all the planets in row,

Are all bad ?

Dont they give good results too ?

 

I expect the members of this esteemed Forums,

not to give long essays, which mean nothing,

but give predictive principles

applied, in their essays and thesis

or articles.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, 108ar <bona_mente wrote:

>

> Dear Finn,

>

> You've provided excellent summary on this Rahu/Mars topic , by saying

> " And what does Rahu do to this presumed benefic

> effect? "

> I cannot answer better than you did: it will 'pollute' it.

Besides, benefic effect of Mars as YK never makes it a benefic, even

if not polluted by Rahu. What I espect from Rahu-contact-

> Mars is to reduce malefic result of Rahu- which is worse malefic

than Mars /IMO/. In other words, Rahu can never be a benefic, even if

'in a good company', whatever Rahu /seemingly/ 'gives' comes with

heavy price, mostly not worth it.

> Thank you for your valuable input.

>

> Regards,

> Anna

>

> Thank you for

>

>

> vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> Dear Mr.Wandahl

>

> Thanks for the educative suggestions.Especially asking the horoscope

> a question.

>

> Yes the house lords conjuncting Rahu will have to experience,the

> results by virtue of malefic nature.Mars and Rahu acting as two

> malefics are also to be seen,before predicting allround elevation or

> great results.

>

> In the case of Mahatma Gandhi,Rahu conjuncting Moon might have given

> certain eccentrities and these will have effect against common

> understanding of - ''all good''.

>

> Certain other important yogas in his horoscope,gave him the inner

> trigger to counter those anomalies.Effort to practise

> Satyagraha,simple life and Truth were follow ups of the divine

> triggers is my understanding.

>

> Thus one cannot or should not predict based on specific

> combinations,just because a Rajayoga is present.

>

> Hope to learn more.

>

> Respect

> Pradeep

>

> , " Finn Wandahl " <wandahl@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pradeep and Anna etc...

> >

> > Thank you, my aim was first of all to point out maximum attention

> > towards the natural benefic/malefic nature of these two planets in

> the

> > 1st house.

> >

> > Secondly I wanted to caution against giving two much importance to

> > their functional nature. The suggested Raja-Yoga effect, Yoga-

> Karaka

> > function of Mars, this all sounds very promising and benefic. But

> > benefic for what? And what does Rahu do to this presumed benefic

> effect?

> >

> > I always ask the horoscope a precise question and look directly for

> > the answer. In this case we may ask some 1st, 4th and 9th house

> > questions and expect some answers. But how can these answers become

> > benefic? Is a Yoga-Karaka benefic for everything in a chart? Will a

> > Raja-Yoga elevate a chart also if it is polluted by Rahu?

> >

> > Finn

> >

> >

> > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr.Wandahl

> > >

> > > It is great to see you back after a long time.I would love if

> Raoji

> > > can also return.

> > >

> > > Infact i had just given my opinion when Yogakaraka effect was

> > > discussed,without takin care of the affliction.

> > >

> > > From my observation,Rajayoga happens and at the same time

> natural

> > > malefic effects will also be experienced in some areas.My

> personal

> > > case was not relating to Leo lagna.

> > >

> > > From your valuable feed back,i notice that my observations are

> in

> > > line with what you have said.Thanks a lot for this

> confirmation.I hve

> > > seen Chandrashekhar ji too expressing similar views in the past.

> > >

> > > Respect

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> <wandahl@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > I far as I can understand you are debating the effect of Mars

> and

> > > > Rahu placed in the Leo-Ascendant. I have seen this

> > > > Mars/Rahu-combination quite a number of times, unfortunately

> always

> > > > with mostly bad results.

> > > > But as far as I can see two different levels of

> interpretation is

> > > > being mixed up in this debate. First of all, Mars and Rahu as

> two

> > > > natural malefics in the 1st house is bad. Then Mars becomes a

> > > > functional benefic, or the Yoga Karaka if you like, by ruling

> 4th

> > > and 9th.

> > > > This however only means that there will be some limited

> benefic

> > > > effects pertaining to the 4th and 9th house. Please don't

> forget the

> > > > fact that 4th & 9th lord in still conjunct to Rahu...

> > > >

> > > > Finn

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Styaji

> > > > >

> > > > > Yoga karaka is one thing.Affliction is anoter thing.I have

> > > > > experienced this in my chart and i know it very

> well,regarding

> > > how

> > > > > Rahu gives Rajayoga.However we should not forget the malefic

> > > nture

> > > > > and aiction.That too has a role to play.God's grace alon

> saves us.

> > > > >

> > > > > I know from your discussions that you have maintained a

> balanced

> > > > > view.Though it is quite natural to get biased,my request

> would be

> > > to

> > > > > see things in an objective fashion.

> > > > >

> > > > > You have not replied on the Swamsha interpretation of Raoji.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regds

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > > , SPK <aquaris_rising@>

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mr. Satyaji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he asked

> > > > > > for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you are

> > > > > > suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a benefic

> > > > > > influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is

> > > > > > saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It

> > > > > > will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference between

> > > > > > static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things

> > > > > > then do not use them.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Satish

> > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sri Raja,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here

> > > > > > > Satish is pointing

> > > > > > > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is

> > > > > > > not appropriate

> > > > > > > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to

> > > > > > > you for

> > > > > > > predictions, do you make fun of your client's

> > > > > > > horoscope, as an

> > > > > > > astrologer?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing

> > > > > > > out was absolute

> > > > > > > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely

> > > > > > > benefic as 4th and

> > > > > > > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one

> > > > > > > of the six lagnas

> > > > > > > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and

> > > > > > > Vrishabha) that

> > > > > > > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna

> > > > > > > lord itself. The

> > > > > > > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka

> > > > > > > other than the

> > > > > > > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology.

> > > > > > > Besides

> > > > > > > presenting false information, he is making fun of

> > > > > > > the horoscope. You

> > > > > > > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing

> > > > > > > so.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is bothering rest of the members is the way the

> > > > > > > one-sided

> > > > > > > argument people are making restlessly to make others

> > > > > > > accept their

> > > > > > > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge

> > > > > > > sharing going

> > > > > > > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why

> > > > > > > cann't people

> > > > > > > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are

> > > > > > > free to publish

> > > > > > > their books and articles and see how it reaches the

> > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > astrological community, rather than bothering the

> > > > > > > whole group?

> > > > > > > Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate

> > > > > > > the theories

> > > > > > > and look for any theory supporters.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Raja

> > > > > > > Gursahani "

> > > > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in

> > > > > > > this group. I

> > > > > > > think you

> > > > > > > > should seriously consider taking care of that

> > > > > > > mercury affliction

> > > > > > > because it

> > > > > > > > is certainly bothering the rest of us.

> > > > > > > participation in this group

> > > > > > > is based

> > > > > > > > on common decency. I once again feel that you are

> > > > > > > causing all

> > > > > > > sorts of

> > > > > > > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and

> > > > > > > ridicule others

> > > > > > > then you

> > > > > > > > certainly need to vacate immediately.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > namaskar,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> ________

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> ________

> _

> > > > > ______________

> > > > > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from

> > > someone

> > > > > who knows. Answers - Check it out.

> > > > > > http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545469

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

 

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Dear Bhaskar ji

 

You are right,as far as my experience goes.No planet is bad or no

planet is good.This is the basic fact all astrologers accept as

compared to lay men.Thus i feel we do not have any disagreement here.

 

But the point under discussion is malefic and benefic nature of

planets,and influences upon them.

 

I will never say Rahu is bad or was bad for me.I was only talking

about the malefic nature of Rahu as explained by sages.If they say

so,that is the nature.

 

Rahu-Sun was good for me,but my father got a stroke,sun lords 9th

house.My days in hospital with him was tough and painful as my

father got a paralyis on the left part of his body because of the

stroke.Now it is almost a year and with God's grace he is recovering

well and can walk with minimal help.It is purely HIS grace.Thus you

see functional and natural effects comes to play.Chandrashekhar

ji,did predict a recovery and good ,which so far has come true.

 

For my father it was Rahu-Saturn.Rahu in the 11th and Saturn in the

3rd (limbs) triggered by Jupiter malefic for makara,transiting the

house in which rahu was placed.He did gain good media coverage and

position as well in Rahu.

 

But the most interesting and fortunate effect was himself showing

spiritual inclinations.I was able to talk to him a lot regarding

this aspect in the hospital.Thus there is a purpose behind every

test and Lord will guard us to all stages.

 

Let you be blessed with all good.Vargottama Lagna and Moon are

fortunate and degree of yogas as you know will vary from case to

case.

 

Regds

Pradeep

 

 

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear all, there is apre-conceived notion about Rahu

> that it is malefic, which is notgoing toi be erasable,

> till we approach the matter with an open mind. I

> aske the Learned Members, tell me which Planet will

> give a complete Dasha full of Benefic results ? None .

>

> So why blame Rahu or Mars ?

>

> It would certainly be a bisaed opinion,

> thinking that Rahu is malefic or

> Mars is Malefic. Saturn and Jupiter both give

> Cancer if connected with Ketu. Ketu which everyone

> calls as Mokshkaraka , I would advise all those members

> to check the Charts of those afflicted with

> malignancy, and then decide. Saturn would give

> a lingering disease and Ketu and Jupiter

> would provide the inflammation.

>

> Tell me where does Rahu come in this big disease ?

>

> Okay tell me where does Rahu come in HIV ?

>

> So lets not make biased judgements,

> and treat all planets as alike,

> just keeoping their characteristics in mind.

>

> Rahu - Cuts

> Mars - Blood

> Saturn- lingering

> Jupiter- Inflammation

> Venus - Sexual diseases

> Sun - Blindness

> Mercury- Skin related.

> Moon - Mental.

>

> So here we have all the planets in row,

> Are all bad ?

> Dont they give good results too ?

>

> I expect the members of this esteemed Forums,

> not to give long essays, which mean nothing,

> but give predictive principles

> applied, in their essays and thesis

> or articles.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

, 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Finn,

> >

> > You've provided excellent summary on this Rahu/Mars topic , by

saying

> > " And what does Rahu do to this presumed benefic

> > effect? "

> > I cannot answer better than you did: it will 'pollute' it.

> Besides, benefic effect of Mars as YK never makes it a benefic,

even

> if not polluted by Rahu. What I espect from Rahu-contact-

> > Mars is to reduce malefic result of Rahu- which is worse

malefic

> than Mars /IMO/. In other words, Rahu can never be a benefic,

even if

> 'in a good company', whatever Rahu /seemingly/ 'gives' comes with

> heavy price, mostly not worth it.

> > Thank you for your valuable input.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Anna

> >

> > Thank you for

> >

> >

> > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > Dear Mr.Wandahl

> >

> > Thanks for the educative suggestions.Especially asking the

horoscope

> > a question.

> >

> > Yes the house lords conjuncting Rahu will have to experience,the

> > results by virtue of malefic nature.Mars and Rahu acting as two

> > malefics are also to be seen,before predicting allround

elevation or

> > great results.

> >

> > In the case of Mahatma Gandhi,Rahu conjuncting Moon might have

given

> > certain eccentrities and these will have effect against common

> > understanding of - ''all good''.

> >

> > Certain other important yogas in his horoscope,gave him the

inner

> > trigger to counter those anomalies.Effort to practise

> > Satyagraha,simple life and Truth were follow ups of the divine

> > triggers is my understanding.

> >

> > Thus one cannot or should not predict based on specific

> > combinations,just because a Rajayoga is present.

> >

> > Hope to learn more.

> >

> > Respect

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , " Finn Wandahl " <wandahl@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep and Anna etc...

> > >

> > > Thank you, my aim was first of all to point out maximum

attention

> > > towards the natural benefic/malefic nature of these two

planets in

> > the

> > > 1st house.

> > >

> > > Secondly I wanted to caution against giving two much

importance to

> > > their functional nature. The suggested Raja-Yoga effect, Yoga-

> > Karaka

> > > function of Mars, this all sounds very promising and benefic.

But

> > > benefic for what? And what does Rahu do to this presumed

benefic

> > effect?

> > >

> > > I always ask the horoscope a precise question and look

directly for

> > > the answer. In this case we may ask some 1st, 4th and 9th house

> > > questions and expect some answers. But how can these answers

become

> > > benefic? Is a Yoga-Karaka benefic for everything in a chart?

Will a

> > > Raja-Yoga elevate a chart also if it is polluted by Rahu?

> > >

> > > Finn

> > >

> > >

> > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr.Wandahl

> > > >

> > > > It is great to see you back after a long time.I would love

if

> > Raoji

> > > > can also return.

> > > >

> > > > Infact i had just given my opinion when Yogakaraka effect

was

> > > > discussed,without takin care of the affliction.

> > > >

> > > > From my observation,Rajayoga happens and at the same time

> > natural

> > > > malefic effects will also be experienced in some areas.My

> > personal

> > > > case was not relating to Leo lagna.

> > > >

> > > > From your valuable feed back,i notice that my observations

are

> > in

> > > > line with what you have said.Thanks a lot for this

> > confirmation.I hve

> > > > seen Chandrashekhar ji too expressing similar views in the

past.

> > > >

> > > > Respect

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > <wandahl@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > I far as I can understand you are debating the effect of

Mars

> > and

> > > > > Rahu placed in the Leo-Ascendant. I have seen this

> > > > > Mars/Rahu-combination quite a number of times,

unfortunately

> > always

> > > > > with mostly bad results.

> > > > > But as far as I can see two different levels of

> > interpretation is

> > > > > being mixed up in this debate. First of all, Mars and Rahu

as

> > two

> > > > > natural malefics in the 1st house is bad. Then Mars

becomes a

> > > > > functional benefic, or the Yoga Karaka if you like, by

ruling

> > 4th

> > > > and 9th.

> > > > > This however only means that there will be some limited

> > benefic

> > > > > effects pertaining to the 4th and 9th house. Please don't

> > forget the

> > > > > fact that 4th & 9th lord in still conjunct to Rahu...

> > > > >

> > > > > Finn

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Styaji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yoga karaka is one thing.Affliction is anoter thing.I

have

> > > > > > experienced this in my chart and i know it very

> > well,regarding

> > > > how

> > > > > > Rahu gives Rajayoga.However we should not forget the

malefic

> > > > nture

> > > > > > and aiction.That too has a role to play.God's grace alon

> > saves us.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I know from your discussions that you have maintained a

> > balanced

> > > > > > view.Though it is quite natural to get biased,my request

> > would be

> > > > to

> > > > > > see things in an objective fashion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have not replied on the Swamsha interpretation of

Raoji.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , SPK

<aquaris_rising@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mr. Satyaji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he asked

> > > > > > > for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you are

> > > > > > > suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a benefic

> > > > > > > influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is

> > > > > > > saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It

> > > > > > > will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference between

> > > > > > > static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things

> > > > > > > then do not use them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Satish

> > > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sri Raja,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here

> > > > > > > > Satish is pointing

> > > > > > > > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is

> > > > > > > > not appropriate

> > > > > > > > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to

> > > > > > > > you for

> > > > > > > > predictions, do you make fun of your client's

> > > > > > > > horoscope, as an

> > > > > > > > astrologer?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing

> > > > > > > > out was absolute

> > > > > > > > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely

> > > > > > > > benefic as 4th and

> > > > > > > > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one

> > > > > > > > of the six lagnas

> > > > > > > > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and

> > > > > > > > Vrishabha) that

> > > > > > > > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna

> > > > > > > > lord itself. The

> > > > > > > > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka

> > > > > > > > other than the

> > > > > > > > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology.

> > > > > > > > Besides

> > > > > > > > presenting false information, he is making fun of

> > > > > > > > the horoscope. You

> > > > > > > > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing

> > > > > > > > so.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What is bothering rest of the members is the way the

> > > > > > > > one-sided

> > > > > > > > argument people are making restlessly to make others

> > > > > > > > accept their

> > > > > > > > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge

> > > > > > > > sharing going

> > > > > > > > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why

> > > > > > > > cann't people

> > > > > > > > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are

> > > > > > > > free to publish

> > > > > > > > their books and articles and see how it reaches the

> > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > astrological community, rather than bothering the

> > > > > > > > whole group?

> > > > > > > > Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate

> > > > > > > > the theories

> > > > > > > > and look for any theory supporters.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Raja

> > > > > > > > Gursahani "

> > > > > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in

> > > > > > > > this group. I

> > > > > > > > think you

> > > > > > > > > should seriously consider taking care of that

> > > > > > > > mercury affliction

> > > > > > > > because it

> > > > > > > > > is certainly bothering the rest of us.

> > > > > > > > participation in this group

> > > > > > > > is based

> > > > > > > > > on common decency. I once again feel that you are

> > > > > > > > causing all

> > > > > > > > sorts of

> > > > > > > > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and

> > > > > > > > ridicule others

> > > > > > > > then you

> > > > > > > > > certainly need to vacate immediately.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > namaskar,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > ________

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

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Dear Pradeepji,

 

A very good post by Your goodself.

 

In Your Fathers case, let us not forget that the 11th

is a badhaksthana, and Rahu would be the trigger, or

the driver , or the catalyst, who would represent

the badhaksthana the most, by being in occupation

of the 11th. The badhaksthana would normally bring badhaka

to the attributes of the house, but solely meant for the

health in old age, when it would be able to function

the best ie.either kill the native, or bring near death

experiences,if the other factors of longevity are strong.

In Kp, when we talk of the Lagna or Ascendant being in the

badhaksthanas sublord then it is clear case of medium

longevity, for instance, or the Lagna has not much

strength, we say.

 

Now if you believe me, In Rahu Mahadasha, I have come

much closer to God (Spiritual), may not be in physical by

apparent person doing poojas for long hours etc. which

I am not able to, due to lack of time, or pre-occupations,

but I speak with him constantly, not a few hours pass,

when I dont speak to him. I never go to sleep, before I speak

to him. My speaking means conversations with him, which

were also there in Mars Mahadasha, but more so in Rahu.

So somehow I cannot digest when they say Rahu is bad.

 

But practically saying truthfully, if I have to have a

heart surgery in future, as per my onwards indications

of the Horoscope,would it mean that I would still call

Rahu as good after the event, and not blame it ?

certainly. I would not blame it, because Rahu has the

characteristics of cutting, esppecially when conjoint

with Mars it calls for surgical aid. But that is what

the fruits I have to eat, for the seeds I have sown,

and not because of Rahu.Rahu is just the instrument

as I see it.

 

Therefore I respect all planets, and their natural

malefic or beneficness is another matter.They would

just bring in these characteristics while rewarding

or while punishing, nothing more than that. their

characteristics are just limited to that, I believe.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

<vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji

>

> You are right,as far as my experience goes.No planet is bad or no

> planet is good.This is the basic fact all astrologers accept as

> compared to lay men.Thus i feel we do not have any disagreement here.

>

> But the point under discussion is malefic and benefic nature of

> planets,and influences upon them.

>

> I will never say Rahu is bad or was bad for me.I was only talking

> about the malefic nature of Rahu as explained by sages.If they say

> so,that is the nature.

>

> Rahu-Sun was good for me,but my father got a stroke,sun lords 9th

> house.My days in hospital with him was tough and painful as my

> father got a paralyis on the left part of his body because of the

> stroke.Now it is almost a year and with God's grace he is recovering

> well and can walk with minimal help.It is purely HIS grace.Thus you

> see functional and natural effects comes to play.Chandrashekhar

> ji,did predict a recovery and good ,which so far has come true.

>

> For my father it was Rahu-Saturn.Rahu in the 11th and Saturn in the

> 3rd (limbs) triggered by Jupiter malefic for makara,transiting the

> house in which rahu was placed.He did gain good media coverage and

> position as well in Rahu.

>

> But the most interesting and fortunate effect was himself showing

> spiritual inclinations.I was able to talk to him a lot regarding

> this aspect in the hospital.Thus there is a purpose behind every

> test and Lord will guard us to all stages.

>

> Let you be blessed with all good.Vargottama Lagna and Moon are

> fortunate and degree of yogas as you know will vary from case to

> case.

>

> Regds

> Pradeep

>

>

>

>

>

> , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear all, there is apre-conceived notion about Rahu

> > that it is malefic, which is notgoing toi be erasable,

> > till we approach the matter with an open mind. I

> > aske the Learned Members, tell me which Planet will

> > give a complete Dasha full of Benefic results ? None .

> >

> > So why blame Rahu or Mars ?

> >

> > It would certainly be a bisaed opinion,

> > thinking that Rahu is malefic or

> > Mars is Malefic. Saturn and Jupiter both give

> > Cancer if connected with Ketu. Ketu which everyone

> > calls as Mokshkaraka , I would advise all those members

> > to check the Charts of those afflicted with

> > malignancy, and then decide. Saturn would give

> > a lingering disease and Ketu and Jupiter

> > would provide the inflammation.

> >

> > Tell me where does Rahu come in this big disease ?

> >

> > Okay tell me where does Rahu come in HIV ?

> >

> > So lets not make biased judgements,

> > and treat all planets as alike,

> > just keeoping their characteristics in mind.

> >

> > Rahu - Cuts

> > Mars - Blood

> > Saturn- lingering

> > Jupiter- Inflammation

> > Venus - Sexual diseases

> > Sun - Blindness

> > Mercury- Skin related.

> > Moon - Mental.

> >

> > So here we have all the planets in row,

> > Are all bad ?

> > Dont they give good results too ?

> >

> > I expect the members of this esteemed Forums,

> > not to give long essays, which mean nothing,

> > but give predictive principles

> > applied, in their essays and thesis

> > or articles.

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Finn,

> > >

> > > You've provided excellent summary on this Rahu/Mars topic , by

> saying

> > > " And what does Rahu do to this presumed benefic

> > > effect? "

> > > I cannot answer better than you did: it will 'pollute' it.

> > Besides, benefic effect of Mars as YK never makes it a benefic,

> even

> > if not polluted by Rahu. What I espect from Rahu-contact-

> > > Mars is to reduce malefic result of Rahu- which is worse

> malefic

> > than Mars /IMO/. In other words, Rahu can never be a benefic,

> even if

> > 'in a good company', whatever Rahu /seemingly/ 'gives' comes with

> > heavy price, mostly not worth it.

> > > Thank you for your valuable input.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Anna

> > >

> > > Thank you for

> > >

> > >

> > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > Dear Mr.Wandahl

> > >

> > > Thanks for the educative suggestions.Especially asking the

> horoscope

> > > a question.

> > >

> > > Yes the house lords conjuncting Rahu will have to experience,the

> > > results by virtue of malefic nature.Mars and Rahu acting as two

> > > malefics are also to be seen,before predicting allround

> elevation or

> > > great results.

> > >

> > > In the case of Mahatma Gandhi,Rahu conjuncting Moon might have

> given

> > > certain eccentrities and these will have effect against common

> > > understanding of - ''all good''.

> > >

> > > Certain other important yogas in his horoscope,gave him the

> inner

> > > trigger to counter those anomalies.Effort to practise

> > > Satyagraha,simple life and Truth were follow ups of the divine

> > > triggers is my understanding.

> > >

> > > Thus one cannot or should not predict based on specific

> > > combinations,just because a Rajayoga is present.

> > >

> > > Hope to learn more.

> > >

> > > Respect

> > > Pradeep

> > >

> > > , " Finn Wandahl " <wandahl@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep and Anna etc...

> > > >

> > > > Thank you, my aim was first of all to point out maximum

> attention

> > > > towards the natural benefic/malefic nature of these two

> planets in

> > > the

> > > > 1st house.

> > > >

> > > > Secondly I wanted to caution against giving two much

> importance to

> > > > their functional nature. The suggested Raja-Yoga effect, Yoga-

> > > Karaka

> > > > function of Mars, this all sounds very promising and benefic.

> But

> > > > benefic for what? And what does Rahu do to this presumed

> benefic

> > > effect?

> > > >

> > > > I always ask the horoscope a precise question and look

> directly for

> > > > the answer. In this case we may ask some 1st, 4th and 9th house

> > > > questions and expect some answers. But how can these answers

> become

> > > > benefic? Is a Yoga-Karaka benefic for everything in a chart?

> Will a

> > > > Raja-Yoga elevate a chart also if it is polluted by Rahu?

> > > >

> > > > Finn

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Mr.Wandahl

> > > > >

> > > > > It is great to see you back after a long time.I would love

> if

> > > Raoji

> > > > > can also return.

> > > > >

> > > > > Infact i had just given my opinion when Yogakaraka effect

> was

> > > > > discussed,without takin care of the affliction.

> > > > >

> > > > > From my observation,Rajayoga happens and at the same time

> > > natural

> > > > > malefic effects will also be experienced in some areas.My

> > > personal

> > > > > case was not relating to Leo lagna.

> > > > >

> > > > > From your valuable feed back,i notice that my observations

> are

> > > in

> > > > > line with what you have said.Thanks a lot for this

> > > confirmation.I hve

> > > > > seen Chandrashekhar ji too expressing similar views in the

> past.

> > > > >

> > > > > Respect

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > > <wandahl@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > I far as I can understand you are debating the effect of

> Mars

> > > and

> > > > > > Rahu placed in the Leo-Ascendant. I have seen this

> > > > > > Mars/Rahu-combination quite a number of times,

> unfortunately

> > > always

> > > > > > with mostly bad results.

> > > > > > But as far as I can see two different levels of

> > > interpretation is

> > > > > > being mixed up in this debate. First of all, Mars and Rahu

> as

> > > two

> > > > > > natural malefics in the 1st house is bad. Then Mars

> becomes a

> > > > > > functional benefic, or the Yoga Karaka if you like, by

> ruling

> > > 4th

> > > > > and 9th.

> > > > > > This however only means that there will be some limited

> > > benefic

> > > > > > effects pertaining to the 4th and 9th house. Please don't

> > > forget the

> > > > > > fact that 4th & 9th lord in still conjunct to Rahu...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Finn

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Styaji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yoga karaka is one thing.Affliction is anoter thing.I

> have

> > > > > > > experienced this in my chart and i know it very

> > > well,regarding

> > > > > how

> > > > > > > Rahu gives Rajayoga.However we should not forget the

> malefic

> > > > > nture

> > > > > > > and aiction.That too has a role to play.God's grace alon

> > > saves us.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I know from your discussions that you have maintained a

> > > balanced

> > > > > > > view.Though it is quite natural to get biased,my request

> > > would be

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > see things in an objective fashion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You have not replied on the Swamsha interpretation of

> Raoji.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , SPK

> <aquaris_rising@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mr. Satyaji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he asked

> > > > > > > > for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you are

> > > > > > > > suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a benefic

> > > > > > > > influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is

> > > > > > > > saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It

> > > > > > > > will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference between

> > > > > > > > static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things

> > > > > > > > then do not use them.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Satish

> > > > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Raja,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here

> > > > > > > > > Satish is pointing

> > > > > > > > > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is

> > > > > > > > > not appropriate

> > > > > > > > > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to

> > > > > > > > > you for

> > > > > > > > > predictions, do you make fun of your client's

> > > > > > > > > horoscope, as an

> > > > > > > > > astrologer?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing

> > > > > > > > > out was absolute

> > > > > > > > > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely

> > > > > > > > > benefic as 4th and

> > > > > > > > > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one

> > > > > > > > > of the six lagnas

> > > > > > > > > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and

> > > > > > > > > Vrishabha) that

> > > > > > > > > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna

> > > > > > > > > lord itself. The

> > > > > > > > > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka

> > > > > > > > > other than the

> > > > > > > > > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology.

> > > > > > > > > Besides

> > > > > > > > > presenting false information, he is making fun of

> > > > > > > > > the horoscope. You

> > > > > > > > > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing

> > > > > > > > > so.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What is bothering rest of the members is the way the

> > > > > > > > > one-sided

> > > > > > > > > argument people are making restlessly to make others

> > > > > > > > > accept their

> > > > > > > > > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge

> > > > > > > > > sharing going

> > > > > > > > > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why

> > > > > > > > > cann't people

> > > > > > > > > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are

> > > > > > > > > free to publish

> > > > > > > > > their books and articles and see how it reaches the

> > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > astrological community, rather than bothering the

> > > > > > > > > whole group?

> > > > > > > > > Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate

> > > > > > > > > the theories

> > > > > > > > > and look for any theory supporters.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Raja

> > > > > > > > > Gursahani "

> > > > > > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in

> > > > > > > > > this group. I

> > > > > > > > > think you

> > > > > > > > > > should seriously consider taking care of that

> > > > > > > > > mercury affliction

> > > > > > > > > because it

> > > > > > > > > > is certainly bothering the rest of us.

> > > > > > > > > participation in this group

> > > > > > > > > is based

> > > > > > > > > > on common decency. I once again feel that you are

> > > > > > > > > causing all

> > > > > > > > > sorts of

> > > > > > > > > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and

> > > > > > > > > ridicule others

> > > > > > > > > then you

> > > > > > > > > > certainly need to vacate immediately.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > namaskar,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > ________

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > > > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > > > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > > > > > removed]

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > ________

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> > > > > > > ______________

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yes any planet in the lagna exerts great influence on the lagna. so if you

look at the material representation of mars and rahu for bhaskar's chart you

will see who has greater influence and how this comes about. this is very

paramount. mars for the leo lagna is ruler of 9th and 4th so mother and

father had great influence on Bhaskar. rahu there means intrigue also. so I

would say that mother and father along with Bhaskar are in some unlawful

activities. this has dragged down Bhaskar and that is why he is the way he

is now.

 

 

 

sincerely,

 

 

 

__________

 

Raja G. Gursahani

*: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

*: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Sri Bhaskar,

 

No maha dasa is all-benefic. In fact, Even a (naturally) benefic

maha dasa lord, in its own antardasa (which is the starting

antardasa) will not give its own results (or benefic results)

always - under different conditions different results will be given.

 

I am very positive that only those who have studied complete dasas

in a horoscope can answer this question, provided they take an

honest & unbiased approach while doing so.

 

In one case, when two natural malefics are associated ( either

through conjunction/aspect), then antardasa of one of them in the

maha dasa of the other, raised the native to extreme heights

(legitimately, in a legal way, or in a right royal way - not in

illegitimate way like the pre-conceived notion dictates); the native

did not pay any price for the same, except his own hardwork. There

was no Jupiter or Venus or Moon or Mercury aspect for this

association of malefics. The key to this is association through

nakshathras and navamsas. THe association of planets through

nakshathras and navamsas does a lot in exchanging the natural

benefic and natural malefic nature between planets.

 

I strongly feel that the concept of interpreting maha dasa and

antardasa is not clearly understood by a vast majority of

astrologers - another area that needs special attention - only

through practical horoscopes.

 

Regards,

Satya S Kolachina

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear all, there is apre-conceived notion about Rahu

> that it is malefic, which is notgoing toi be erasable,

> till we approach the matter with an open mind. I

> aske the Learned Members, tell me which Planet will

> give a complete Dasha full of Benefic results ? None .

>

> So why blame Rahu or Mars ?

>

> It would certainly be a bisaed opinion,

> thinking that Rahu is malefic or

> Mars is Malefic. Saturn and Jupiter both give

> Cancer if connected with Ketu. Ketu which everyone

> calls as Mokshkaraka , I would advise all those members

> to check the Charts of those afflicted with

> malignancy, and then decide. Saturn would give

> a lingering disease and Ketu and Jupiter

> would provide the inflammation.

>

> Tell me where does Rahu come in this big disease ?

>

> Okay tell me where does Rahu come in HIV ?

>

> So lets not make biased judgements,

> and treat all planets as alike,

> just keeoping their characteristics in mind.

>

> Rahu - Cuts

> Mars - Blood

> Saturn- lingering

> Jupiter- Inflammation

> Venus - Sexual diseases

> Sun - Blindness

> Mercury- Skin related.

> Moon - Mental.

>

> So here we have all the planets in row,

> Are all bad ?

> Dont they give good results too ?

>

> I expect the members of this esteemed Forums,

> not to give long essays, which mean nothing,

> but give predictive principles

> applied, in their essays and thesis

> or articles.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

, 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Finn,

> >

> > You've provided excellent summary on this Rahu/Mars topic , by

saying

> > " And what does Rahu do to this presumed benefic

> > effect? "

> > I cannot answer better than you did: it will 'pollute' it.

> Besides, benefic effect of Mars as YK never makes it a benefic,

even

> if not polluted by Rahu. What I espect from Rahu-contact-

> > Mars is to reduce malefic result of Rahu- which is worse

malefic

> than Mars /IMO/. In other words, Rahu can never be a benefic,

even if

> 'in a good company', whatever Rahu /seemingly/ 'gives' comes with

> heavy price, mostly not worth it.

> > Thank you for your valuable input.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Anna

> >

> > Thank you for

> >

> >

> > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > Dear Mr.Wandahl

> >

> > Thanks for the educative suggestions.Especially asking the

horoscope

> > a question.

> >

> > Yes the house lords conjuncting Rahu will have to experience,the

> > results by virtue of malefic nature.Mars and Rahu acting as two

> > malefics are also to be seen,before predicting allround

elevation or

> > great results.

> >

> > In the case of Mahatma Gandhi,Rahu conjuncting Moon might have

given

> > certain eccentrities and these will have effect against common

> > understanding of - ''all good''.

> >

> > Certain other important yogas in his horoscope,gave him the

inner

> > trigger to counter those anomalies.Effort to practise

> > Satyagraha,simple life and Truth were follow ups of the divine

> > triggers is my understanding.

> >

> > Thus one cannot or should not predict based on specific

> > combinations,just because a Rajayoga is present.

> >

> > Hope to learn more.

> >

> > Respect

> > Pradeep

> >

> > , " Finn Wandahl " <wandahl@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep and Anna etc...

> > >

> > > Thank you, my aim was first of all to point out maximum

attention

> > > towards the natural benefic/malefic nature of these two

planets in

> > the

> > > 1st house.

> > >

> > > Secondly I wanted to caution against giving two much

importance to

> > > their functional nature. The suggested Raja-Yoga effect, Yoga-

> > Karaka

> > > function of Mars, this all sounds very promising and benefic.

But

> > > benefic for what? And what does Rahu do to this presumed

benefic

> > effect?

> > >

> > > I always ask the horoscope a precise question and look

directly for

> > > the answer. In this case we may ask some 1st, 4th and 9th house

> > > questions and expect some answers. But how can these answers

become

> > > benefic? Is a Yoga-Karaka benefic for everything in a chart?

Will a

> > > Raja-Yoga elevate a chart also if it is polluted by Rahu?

> > >

> > > Finn

> > >

> > >

> > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mr.Wandahl

> > > >

> > > > It is great to see you back after a long time.I would love

if

> > Raoji

> > > > can also return.

> > > >

> > > > Infact i had just given my opinion when Yogakaraka effect

was

> > > > discussed,without takin care of the affliction.

> > > >

> > > > From my observation,Rajayoga happens and at the same time

> > natural

> > > > malefic effects will also be experienced in some areas.My

> > personal

> > > > case was not relating to Leo lagna.

> > > >

> > > > From your valuable feed back,i notice that my observations

are

> > in

> > > > line with what you have said.Thanks a lot for this

> > confirmation.I hve

> > > > seen Chandrashekhar ji too expressing similar views in the

past.

> > > >

> > > > Respect

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > <wandahl@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > I far as I can understand you are debating the effect of

Mars

> > and

> > > > > Rahu placed in the Leo-Ascendant. I have seen this

> > > > > Mars/Rahu-combination quite a number of times,

unfortunately

> > always

> > > > > with mostly bad results.

> > > > > But as far as I can see two different levels of

> > interpretation is

> > > > > being mixed up in this debate. First of all, Mars and Rahu

as

> > two

> > > > > natural malefics in the 1st house is bad. Then Mars

becomes a

> > > > > functional benefic, or the Yoga Karaka if you like, by

ruling

> > 4th

> > > > and 9th.

> > > > > This however only means that there will be some limited

> > benefic

> > > > > effects pertaining to the 4th and 9th house. Please don't

> > forget the

> > > > > fact that 4th & 9th lord in still conjunct to Rahu...

> > > > >

> > > > > Finn

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Styaji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yoga karaka is one thing.Affliction is anoter thing.I

have

> > > > > > experienced this in my chart and i know it very

> > well,regarding

> > > > how

> > > > > > Rahu gives Rajayoga.However we should not forget the

malefic

> > > > nture

> > > > > > and aiction.That too has a role to play.God's grace alon

> > saves us.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I know from your discussions that you have maintained a

> > balanced

> > > > > > view.Though it is quite natural to get biased,my request

> > would be

> > > > to

> > > > > > see things in an objective fashion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have not replied on the Swamsha interpretation of

Raoji.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , SPK

<aquaris_rising@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mr. Satyaji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he asked

> > > > > > > for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you are

> > > > > > > suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a benefic

> > > > > > > influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is

> > > > > > > saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It

> > > > > > > will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference between

> > > > > > > static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things

> > > > > > > then do not use them.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Satish

> > > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sri Raja,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here

> > > > > > > > Satish is pointing

> > > > > > > > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is

> > > > > > > > not appropriate

> > > > > > > > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes to

> > > > > > > > you for

> > > > > > > > predictions, do you make fun of your client's

> > > > > > > > horoscope, as an

> > > > > > > > astrologer?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing

> > > > > > > > out was absolute

> > > > > > > > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely

> > > > > > > > benefic as 4th and

> > > > > > > > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one

> > > > > > > > of the six lagnas

> > > > > > > > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and

> > > > > > > > Vrishabha) that

> > > > > > > > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna

> > > > > > > > lord itself. The

> > > > > > > > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka

> > > > > > > > other than the

> > > > > > > > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in astrology.

> > > > > > > > Besides

> > > > > > > > presenting false information, he is making fun of

> > > > > > > > the horoscope. You

> > > > > > > > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing

> > > > > > > > so.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What is bothering rest of the members is the way the

> > > > > > > > one-sided

> > > > > > > > argument people are making restlessly to make others

> > > > > > > > accept their

> > > > > > > > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no knowledge

> > > > > > > > sharing going

> > > > > > > > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why

> > > > > > > > cann't people

> > > > > > > > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are

> > > > > > > > free to publish

> > > > > > > > their books and articles and see how it reaches the

> > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > astrological community, rather than bothering the

> > > > > > > > whole group?

> > > > > > > > Simply they are not ready to predict; just propagate

> > > > > > > > the theories

> > > > > > > > and look for any theory supporters.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Raja

> > > > > > > > Gursahani "

> > > > > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in

> > > > > > > > this group. I

> > > > > > > > think you

> > > > > > > > > should seriously consider taking care of that

> > > > > > > > mercury affliction

> > > > > > > > because it

> > > > > > > > > is certainly bothering the rest of us.

> > > > > > > > participation in this group

> > > > > > > > is based

> > > > > > > > > on common decency. I once again feel that you are

> > > > > > > > causing all

> > > > > > > > sorts of

> > > > > > > > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter and

> > > > > > > > ridicule others

> > > > > > > > then you

> > > > > > > > > certainly need to vacate immediately.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > namaskar,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > ________

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sri Raja,

 

THis is inappropriate way of talking someone on the list, and is

extremely provocatory. I strongly condemn this post.

 

Satya Sai Kolachina

 

, " Raja Gursahani "

<rajagursahani wrote:

>

> yes any planet in the lagna exerts great influence on the lagna.

so if you

> look at the material representation of mars and rahu for bhaskar's

chart you

> will see who has greater influence and how this comes about. this

is very

> paramount. mars for the leo lagna is ruler of 9th and 4th so

mother and

> father had great influence on Bhaskar. rahu there means intrigue

also. so I

> would say that mother and father along with Bhaskar are in some

unlawful

> activities. this has dragged down Bhaskar and that is why he is

the way he

> is now.

>

>

>

> sincerely,

>

>

>

> __________

>

> Raja G. Gursahani

> *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Satya Sai ji,

 

This fellow is a first class idiot. He does not know

any abc of astrology, but just pretending.

he has just read in some book Mars has the rulership

of which houses for leo Lagna,and now talking.

 

My Mother is a Devi, which not me as a son, but

thousands would vouch for, My father has helped

hundreds if not thousands ,with his hard earned

money to become something in their lives, which

also thousands would vouch for. My Father is one

of the highest Sales Tax Payers in Bombay, just

for his information, and only lawful people can

do this. We are Chawdurie's of rajasthan, and do

not accept anything which we have unearned,or

not given services for. Unlawful is a alien term

for us.

 

I would ask him to clarify what are the unlawful

activities we are all involved in, and also how has

Bhaskar been dragged down, from where, and where to ?

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, " Satya Sai Kolachina "

<skolachi wrote:

>

> Dear Sri Raja,

>

> THis is inappropriate way of talking someone on the list, and is

> extremely provocatory. I strongly condemn this post.

>

> Satya Sai Kolachina

>

> , " Raja Gursahani "

> <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> >

> > yes any planet in the lagna exerts great influence on the lagna.

> so if you

> > look at the material representation of mars and rahu for bhaskar's

> chart you

> > will see who has greater influence and how this comes about. this

> is very

> > paramount. mars for the leo lagna is ruler of 9th and 4th so

> mother and

> > father had great influence on Bhaskar. rahu there means intrigue

> also. so I

> > would say that mother and father along with Bhaskar are in some

> unlawful

> > activities. this has dragged down Bhaskar and that is why he is

> the way he

> > is now.

> >

> >

> >

> > sincerely,

> >

> >

> >

> > __________

> >

> > Raja G. Gursahani

> > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Raja,

 

Do not ask us what to look for, and where.

I have not given you permission to talk about

my chart, so dont do so.

 

Prove astrologically, whatever results you have

arrived at, or just get out of this Forum.

You have no place over here to talk dirty

without base, logic and substance.

 

This shows your low breeding. I would ask you to

check whether your mother was engaged in unlawful

activities, to have given birth to you.

If You are a man, go and ask her about the reason

for your birth and existence.(Nagpur astrologer and

Freind, this time, no moral policing please, he has

straightaway attacked my father and mother and

referred to them as being engaged in unlawful

activities).

 

Or do you know about your parents at all ?

 

Talk to me astrologically, is what I told you before,

and recently I told you, not to talk about me,

then why are you talking about me or my family?

Did you get no American tonight, whom you could lend

your back, so you remembered me ?

I told you, I am not that type, so why are you

after me ? please go and get your self checked in

some mental assylum, and if your back is paining,

due to regular lending to Americans as professional

services,for considerations received,then do something

else, but do not remember me please.

 

One of your Fathers,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Raja Gursahani "

<rajagursahani wrote:

>

> yes any planet in the lagna exerts great influence on the lagna. so

if you

> look at the material representation of mars and rahu for bhaskar's

chart you

> will see who has greater influence and how this comes about. this is

very

> paramount. mars for the leo lagna is ruler of 9th and 4th so mother and

> father had great influence on Bhaskar. rahu there means intrigue

also. so I

> would say that mother and father along with Bhaskar are in some unlawful

> activities. this has dragged down Bhaskar and that is why he is the

way he

> is now.

>

>

>

> sincerely,

>

>

>

> __________

>

> Raja G. Gursahani

> *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sri Bhaskar,

 

I can understand your frustration. I would still request you to

please maintain the balance. Just because someone talks like that,

such words will not touch your parents.

 

All mothers are representation of the ultimate universal mother,

Amba; an abuse to any mother is akin to abuse of own mother, or of

Amba, which is the greatest sin one can do. A mother undergoes

through such enormous amount of pain to deliver a child. The entire

humanity should feel guilty to hear such words.

 

Just consider that Amba is testing your patience, when you try to

maintain balance.

 

Best regards,

Satya Sai Kolachina

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Satya Sai ji,

>

> This fellow is a first class idiot. He does not know

> any abc of astrology, but just pretending.

> he has just read in some book Mars has the rulership

> of which houses for leo Lagna,and now talking.

>

> My Mother is a Devi, which not me as a son, but

> thousands would vouch for, My father has helped

> hundreds if not thousands ,with his hard earned

> money to become something in their lives, which

> also thousands would vouch for. My Father is one

> of the highest Sales Tax Payers in Bombay, just

> for his information, and only lawful people can

> do this. We are Chawdurie's of rajasthan, and do

> not accept anything which we have unearned,or

> not given services for. Unlawful is a alien term

> for us.

>

> I would ask him to clarify what are the unlawful

> activities we are all involved in, and also how has

> Bhaskar been dragged down, from where, and where to ?

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

> , " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> <skolachi@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sri Raja,

> >

> > THis is inappropriate way of talking someone on the list, and is

> > extremely provocatory. I strongly condemn this post.

> >

> > Satya Sai Kolachina

> >

> > , " Raja Gursahani "

> > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > yes any planet in the lagna exerts great influence on the

lagna.

> > so if you

> > > look at the material representation of mars and rahu for

bhaskar's

> > chart you

> > > will see who has greater influence and how this comes about.

this

> > is very

> > > paramount. mars for the leo lagna is ruler of 9th and 4th so

> > mother and

> > > father had great influence on Bhaskar. rahu there means

intrigue

> > also. so I

> > > would say that mother and father along with Bhaskar are in

some

> > unlawful

> > > activities. this has dragged down Bhaskar and that is why he

is

> > the way he

> > > is now.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > sincerely,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > __________

> > >

> > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar ji

 

Thanks for your interpretations.Malefics in upachaya on another angle

is good as well.

 

In your case,ninth lord is associated with Rahu and spiritual matters

too will come into play.Moreover when Rahu comes late in life,one

becomes spiritual because of vast experience.

 

If you remember,i had mentioned about sun and mars having vimshamsha

in the 9th house of your rashi chart and in strength.Jupiter i feel

is having navamsha there as well.Spiritual inclinations are strong.

 

I will try to analyze in detail as promised.

 

Regds

Pradeep

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Pradeepji,

>

> A very good post by Your goodself.

>

> In Your Fathers case, let us not forget that the 11th

> is a badhaksthana, and Rahu would be the trigger, or

> the driver , or the catalyst, who would represent

> the badhaksthana the most, by being in occupation

> of the 11th. The badhaksthana would normally bring badhaka

> to the attributes of the house, but solely meant for the

> health in old age, when it would be able to function

> the best ie.either kill the native, or bring near death

> experiences,if the other factors of longevity are strong.

> In Kp, when we talk of the Lagna or Ascendant being in the

> badhaksthanas sublord then it is clear case of medium

> longevity, for instance, or the Lagna has not much

> strength, we say.

>

> Now if you believe me, In Rahu Mahadasha, I have come

> much closer to God (Spiritual), may not be in physical by

> apparent person doing poojas for long hours etc. which

> I am not able to, due to lack of time, or pre-occupations,

> but I speak with him constantly, not a few hours pass,

> when I dont speak to him. I never go to sleep, before I speak

> to him. My speaking means conversations with him, which

> were also there in Mars Mahadasha, but more so in Rahu.

> So somehow I cannot digest when they say Rahu is bad.

>

> But practically saying truthfully, if I have to have a

> heart surgery in future, as per my onwards indications

> of the Horoscope,would it mean that I would still call

> Rahu as good after the event, and not blame it ?

> certainly. I would not blame it, because Rahu has the

> characteristics of cutting, esppecially when conjoint

> with Mars it calls for surgical aid. But that is what

> the fruits I have to eat, for the seeds I have sown,

> and not because of Rahu.Rahu is just the instrument

> as I see it.

>

> Therefore I respect all planets, and their natural

> malefic or beneficness is another matter.They would

> just bring in these characteristics while rewarding

> or while punishing, nothing more than that. their

> characteristics are just limited to that, I believe.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

, " vijayadas_pradeep "

> <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji

> >

> > You are right,as far as my experience goes.No planet is bad or no

> > planet is good.This is the basic fact all astrologers accept as

> > compared to lay men.Thus i feel we do not have any disagreement

here.

> >

> > But the point under discussion is malefic and benefic nature of

> > planets,and influences upon them.

> >

> > I will never say Rahu is bad or was bad for me.I was only talking

> > about the malefic nature of Rahu as explained by sages.If they

say

> > so,that is the nature.

> >

> > Rahu-Sun was good for me,but my father got a stroke,sun lords 9th

> > house.My days in hospital with him was tough and painful as my

> > father got a paralyis on the left part of his body because of the

> > stroke.Now it is almost a year and with God's grace he is

recovering

> > well and can walk with minimal help.It is purely HIS grace.Thus

you

> > see functional and natural effects comes to play.Chandrashekhar

> > ji,did predict a recovery and good ,which so far has come true.

> >

> > For my father it was Rahu-Saturn.Rahu in the 11th and Saturn in

the

> > 3rd (limbs) triggered by Jupiter malefic for makara,transiting

the

> > house in which rahu was placed.He did gain good media coverage

and

> > position as well in Rahu.

> >

> > But the most interesting and fortunate effect was himself showing

> > spiritual inclinations.I was able to talk to him a lot regarding

> > this aspect in the hospital.Thus there is a purpose behind every

> > test and Lord will guard us to all stages.

> >

> > Let you be blessed with all good.Vargottama Lagna and Moon are

> > fortunate and degree of yogas as you know will vary from case to

> > case.

> >

> > Regds

> > Pradeep

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear all, there is apre-conceived notion about Rahu

> > > that it is malefic, which is notgoing toi be erasable,

> > > till we approach the matter with an open mind. I

> > > aske the Learned Members, tell me which Planet will

> > > give a complete Dasha full of Benefic results ? None .

> > >

> > > So why blame Rahu or Mars ?

> > >

> > > It would certainly be a bisaed opinion,

> > > thinking that Rahu is malefic or

> > > Mars is Malefic. Saturn and Jupiter both give

> > > Cancer if connected with Ketu. Ketu which everyone

> > > calls as Mokshkaraka , I would advise all those members

> > > to check the Charts of those afflicted with

> > > malignancy, and then decide. Saturn would give

> > > a lingering disease and Ketu and Jupiter

> > > would provide the inflammation.

> > >

> > > Tell me where does Rahu come in this big disease ?

> > >

> > > Okay tell me where does Rahu come in HIV ?

> > >

> > > So lets not make biased judgements,

> > > and treat all planets as alike,

> > > just keeoping their characteristics in mind.

> > >

> > > Rahu - Cuts

> > > Mars - Blood

> > > Saturn- lingering

> > > Jupiter- Inflammation

> > > Venus - Sexual diseases

> > > Sun - Blindness

> > > Mercury- Skin related.

> > > Moon - Mental.

> > >

> > > So here we have all the planets in row,

> > > Are all bad ?

> > > Dont they give good results too ?

> > >

> > > I expect the members of this esteemed Forums,

> > > not to give long essays, which mean nothing,

> > > but give predictive principles

> > > applied, in their essays and thesis

> > > or articles.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , 108ar <bona_mente@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Finn,

> > > >

> > > > You've provided excellent summary on this Rahu/Mars topic ,

by

> > saying

> > > > " And what does Rahu do to this presumed benefic

> > > > effect? "

> > > > I cannot answer better than you did: it will 'pollute' it.

> > > Besides, benefic effect of Mars as YK never makes it a benefic,

> > even

> > > if not polluted by Rahu. What I espect from Rahu-contact-

> > > > Mars is to reduce malefic result of Rahu- which is worse

> > malefic

> > > than Mars /IMO/. In other words, Rahu can never be a benefic,

> > even if

> > > 'in a good company', whatever Rahu /seemingly/ 'gives' comes

with

> > > heavy price, mostly not worth it.

> > > > Thank you for your valuable input.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Anna

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > Dear Mr.Wandahl

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for the educative suggestions.Especially asking the

> > horoscope

> > > > a question.

> > > >

> > > > Yes the house lords conjuncting Rahu will have to

experience,the

> > > > results by virtue of malefic nature.Mars and Rahu acting as

two

> > > > malefics are also to be seen,before predicting allround

> > elevation or

> > > > great results.

> > > >

> > > > In the case of Mahatma Gandhi,Rahu conjuncting Moon might

have

> > given

> > > > certain eccentrities and these will have effect against

common

> > > > understanding of - ''all good''.

> > > >

> > > > Certain other important yogas in his horoscope,gave him the

> > inner

> > > > trigger to counter those anomalies.Effort to practise

> > > > Satyagraha,simple life and Truth were follow ups of the

divine

> > > > triggers is my understanding.

> > > >

> > > > Thus one cannot or should not predict based on specific

> > > > combinations,just because a Rajayoga is present.

> > > >

> > > > Hope to learn more.

> > > >

> > > > Respect

> > > > Pradeep

> > > >

> > > > , " Finn Wandahl "

<wandahl@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Pradeep and Anna etc...

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you, my aim was first of all to point out maximum

> > attention

> > > > > towards the natural benefic/malefic nature of these two

> > planets in

> > > > the

> > > > > 1st house.

> > > > >

> > > > > Secondly I wanted to caution against giving two much

> > importance to

> > > > > their functional nature. The suggested Raja-Yoga effect,

Yoga-

> > > > Karaka

> > > > > function of Mars, this all sounds very promising and

benefic.

> > But

> > > > > benefic for what? And what does Rahu do to this presumed

> > benefic

> > > > effect?

> > > > >

> > > > > I always ask the horoscope a precise question and look

> > directly for

> > > > > the answer. In this case we may ask some 1st, 4th and 9th

house

> > > > > questions and expect some answers. But how can these

answers

> > become

> > > > > benefic? Is a Yoga-Karaka benefic for everything in a

chart?

> > Will a

> > > > > Raja-Yoga elevate a chart also if it is polluted by Rahu?

> > > > >

> > > > > Finn

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mr.Wandahl

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is great to see you back after a long time.I would

love

> > if

> > > > Raoji

> > > > > > can also return.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Infact i had just given my opinion when Yogakaraka effect

> > was

> > > > > > discussed,without takin care of the affliction.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From my observation,Rajayoga happens and at the same time

> > > > natural

> > > > > > malefic effects will also be experienced in some areas.My

> > > > personal

> > > > > > case was not relating to Leo lagna.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From your valuable feed back,i notice that my

observations

> > are

> > > > in

> > > > > > line with what you have said.Thanks a lot for this

> > > > confirmation.I hve

> > > > > > seen Chandrashekhar ji too expressing similar views in

the

> > past.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respect

> > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > > > <wandahl@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > > > > > I far as I can understand you are debating the effect

of

> > Mars

> > > > and

> > > > > > > Rahu placed in the Leo-Ascendant. I have seen this

> > > > > > > Mars/Rahu-combination quite a number of times,

> > unfortunately

> > > > always

> > > > > > > with mostly bad results.

> > > > > > > But as far as I can see two different levels of

> > > > interpretation is

> > > > > > > being mixed up in this debate. First of all, Mars and

Rahu

> > as

> > > > two

> > > > > > > natural malefics in the 1st house is bad. Then Mars

> > becomes a

> > > > > > > functional benefic, or the Yoga Karaka if you like, by

> > ruling

> > > > 4th

> > > > > > and 9th.

> > > > > > > This however only means that there will be some limited

> > > > benefic

> > > > > > > effects pertaining to the 4th and 9th house. Please

don't

> > > > forget the

> > > > > > > fact that 4th & 9th lord in still conjunct to Rahu...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Finn

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Styaji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yoga karaka is one thing.Affliction is anoter thing.I

> > have

> > > > > > > > experienced this in my chart and i know it very

> > > > well,regarding

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > Rahu gives Rajayoga.However we should not forget the

> > malefic

> > > > > > nture

> > > > > > > > and aiction.That too has a role to play.God's grace

alon

> > > > saves us.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I know from your discussions that you have maintained

a

> > > > balanced

> > > > > > > > view.Though it is quite natural to get biased,my

request

> > > > would be

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > see things in an objective fashion.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You have not replied on the Swamsha interpretation of

> > Raoji.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regds

> > > > > > > > Pradeep

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , SPK

> > <aquaris_rising@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mr. Satyaji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Making fun of his chart ? When was this done. he

asked

> > > > > > > > > for opinion on the chart and it was given. If you

are

> > > > > > > > > suggesting that mangal and rahu in lagna is a

benefic

> > > > > > > > > influence on lagna, thats your opinion and who is

> > > > > > > > > saying mangal is not a yogakaraka for leo lagna. It

> > > > > > > > > will act so in his dasha. Thats the difference

between

> > > > > > > > > static and dynamic factor. If you't use such things

> > > > > > > > > then do not use them.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Satish

> > > > > > > > > --- Satya Sai Kolachina <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Raja,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This is not appropriate to talk one-sided. Here

> > > > > > > > > > Satish is pointing

> > > > > > > > > > at Bhaskar's chart and making fun of him. That is

> > > > > > > > > > not appropriate

> > > > > > > > > > and Bhaskar is objecting it. When a client comes

to

> > > > > > > > > > you for

> > > > > > > > > > predictions, do you make fun of your client's

> > > > > > > > > > horoscope, as an

> > > > > > > > > > astrologer?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > More over, astrologically what Satish was pointing

> > > > > > > > > > out was absolute

> > > > > > > > > > wrong. For Simha lagna people Mangal is extremely

> > > > > > > > > > benefic as 4th and

> > > > > > > > > > 9th lord, and is a yoga karaka. Simha lagna is one

> > > > > > > > > > of the six lagnas

> > > > > > > > > > (among Karkataka, Simha, Thula, Makara, Kumbha and

> > > > > > > > > > Vrishabha) that

> > > > > > > > > > has a full yoga karaka planet other than the lagna

> > > > > > > > > > lord itself. The

> > > > > > > > > > remaining lagnas do not have separate yoga karaka

> > > > > > > > > > other than the

> > > > > > > > > > lagna lord. This is a basic principle in

astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > Besides

> > > > > > > > > > presenting false information, he is making fun of

> > > > > > > > > > the horoscope. You

> > > > > > > > > > are yourself doing that. Please refrain from doing

> > > > > > > > > > so.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What is bothering rest of the members is the way

the

> > > > > > > > > > one-sided

> > > > > > > > > > argument people are making restlessly to make

others

> > > > > > > > > > accept their

> > > > > > > > > > theory. As Bhaskar suggested, there is no

knowledge

> > > > > > > > > > sharing going

> > > > > > > > > > on; except that 'You are wrong & I am right'. Why

> > > > > > > > > > cann't people

> > > > > > > > > > adopt thoeries for their own selves, or they are

> > > > > > > > > > free to publish

> > > > > > > > > > their books and articles and see how it reaches

the

> > > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > astrological community, rather than bothering the

> > > > > > > > > > whole group?

> > > > > > > > > > Simply they are not ready to predict; just

propagate

> > > > > > > > > > the theories

> > > > > > > > > > and look for any theory supporters.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Satya S Kolachina

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Raja

> > > > > > > > > > Gursahani "

> > > > > > > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > this is exactly why Bhaskar you should not be in

> > > > > > > > > > this group. I

> > > > > > > > > > think you

> > > > > > > > > > > should seriously consider taking care of that

> > > > > > > > > > mercury affliction

> > > > > > > > > > because it

> > > > > > > > > > > is certainly bothering the rest of us.

> > > > > > > > > > participation in this group

> > > > > > > > > > is based

> > > > > > > > > > > on common decency. I once again feel that you

are

> > > > > > > > > > causing all

> > > > > > > > > > sorts of

> > > > > > > > > > > problems. if you have nothing to do but banter

and

> > > > > > > > > > ridicule others

> > > > > > > > > > then you

> > > > > > > > > > > certainly need to vacate immediately.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > namaskar,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > ________

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > > > > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > > > > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

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[Guest guest]

Raja

 

Please do not say anything like this about anybodys parents. Mother

(Mata) is devi be yours or Bhaskars or anybodys else. If you say any

bad word about Mata be assured you are incurring high quality sin.

At least Vedic Jyotishi should know this. So I request you to tender

your unconditional apology to Bhaskars Mataji & Pitaji. If possible

go to near by JagatAmba mandir and perform 1008 parikrama as soon as

possible. Do not forget to recite Om Kleem JagatAmbayai NamaH in each

Pradakshina as many times as possible. I am sure Bhaskars Mataji will

forgive you.

 

 

 

Prabodh Vekhande

Jai Jai Shankar

Har Har Shankar

 

 

 

, " Raja Gursahani "

<rajagursahani wrote:

>

> yes any planet in the lagna exerts great influence on the lagna. so

if you

> look at the material representation of mars and rahu for bhaskar's

chart you

> will see who has greater influence and how this comes about. this

is very

> paramount. mars for the leo lagna is ruler of 9th and 4th so mother

and

> father had great influence on Bhaskar. rahu there means intrigue

also. so I

> would say that mother and father along with Bhaskar are in some

unlawful

> activities. this has dragged down Bhaskar and that is why he is the

way he

> is now.

>

>

>

> sincerely,

>

>

>

> __________

>

> Raja G. Gursahani

> *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

oh we know how you have dragged everybody down Bhaskar. but don't worry

about it. I mean I am so surprised by how you can call me an idiot. by the

way the way you refer to people in the first place is what bothers me. you

see you can't react to anybody without getting so deeply personal. well how

does it feel now!! I mean its only a prediction based on two malefics in the

chart. but I could be wrong!! I am also aware that those two malefics could

be otherwise different in many cases depending on the circumstances!!

 

 

 

 

 

sincerely,

 

 

 

__________

 

Raja G. Gursahani

*: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

*: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Raja

 

Please stop this unwanted chart interpretation. If you seriously want

to read charts - then please reply, when a member seeks advise.

 

Also - it is highly objectionable to comment about Shri Bhaskar's

parents. I strongly feel that - such practices must be seriously

stopped by the moderator.

 

regards / Prafulla

 

, " Satya Sai Kolachina "

<skolachi wrote:

>

> Dear Sri Raja,

>

> THis is inappropriate way of talking someone on the list, and is

> extremely provocatory. I strongly condemn this post.

>

> Satya Sai Kolachina

>

> , " Raja Gursahani "

> <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> >

> > yes any planet in the lagna exerts great influence on the lagna.

> so if you

> > look at the material representation of mars and rahu for bhaskar's

> chart you

> > will see who has greater influence and how this comes about. this

> is very

> > paramount. mars for the leo lagna is ruler of 9th and 4th so

> mother and

> > father had great influence on Bhaskar. rahu there means intrigue

> also. so I

> > would say that mother and father along with Bhaskar are in some

> unlawful

> > activities. this has dragged down Bhaskar and that is why he is

> the way he

> > is now.

> >

> >

> >

> > sincerely,

> >

> >

> >

> > __________

> >

> > Raja G. Gursahani

> > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Once again moral policing overdrive.

 

Rajaji made a comment, and it was more than equalised. Lets end it

there and stick to jyotish.

 

 

, " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Raja

>

> Please stop this unwanted chart interpretation. If you seriously

want

> to read charts - then please reply, when a member seeks advise.

>

> Also - it is highly objectionable to comment about Shri Bhaskar's

> parents. I strongly feel that - such practices must be seriously

> stopped by the moderator.

>

> regards / Prafulla

>

> , " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> <skolachi@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sri Raja,

> >

> > THis is inappropriate way of talking someone on the list, and is

> > extremely provocatory. I strongly condemn this post.

> >

> > Satya Sai Kolachina

> >

> > , " Raja Gursahani "

> > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > yes any planet in the lagna exerts great influence on the

lagna.

> > so if you

> > > look at the material representation of mars and rahu for

bhaskar's

> > chart you

> > > will see who has greater influence and how this comes about.

this

> > is very

> > > paramount. mars for the leo lagna is ruler of 9th and 4th so

> > mother and

> > > father had great influence on Bhaskar. rahu there means

intrigue

> > also. so I

> > > would say that mother and father along with Bhaskar are in some

> > unlawful

> > > activities. this has dragged down Bhaskar and that is why he is

> > the way he

> > > is now.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > sincerely,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > __________

> > >

> > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Atma Gnan ji

 

It is not the question of moral policing - but whether member can be

allowed to write bad about parents or not?

 

It looks to me that - you encourage such elements and comments. I

never see a single comment from you - for the people who abuse

directly and provoke !! - But you are quick to comment on the people,

who criticize such comments ..Why these two double standards?

 

regards / Prafulla

 

, " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan wrote:

>

> Once again moral policing overdrive.

>

> Rajaji made a comment, and it was more than equalised. Lets end it

> there and stick to jyotish.

>

>

> , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Raja

> >

> > Please stop this unwanted chart interpretation. If you seriously

> want

> > to read charts - then please reply, when a member seeks advise.

> >

> > Also - it is highly objectionable to comment about Shri Bhaskar's

> > parents. I strongly feel that - such practices must be seriously

> > stopped by the moderator.

> >

> > regards / Prafulla

> >

> > , " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> > <skolachi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sri Raja,

> > >

> > > THis is inappropriate way of talking someone on the list, and is

> > > extremely provocatory. I strongly condemn this post.

> > >

> > > Satya Sai Kolachina

> > >

> > > , " Raja Gursahani "

> > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > yes any planet in the lagna exerts great influence on the

> lagna.

> > > so if you

> > > > look at the material representation of mars and rahu for

> bhaskar's

> > > chart you

> > > > will see who has greater influence and how this comes about.

> this

> > > is very

> > > > paramount. mars for the leo lagna is ruler of 9th and 4th so

> > > mother and

> > > > father had great influence on Bhaskar. rahu there means

> intrigue

> > > also. so I

> > > > would say that mother and father along with Bhaskar are in some

> > > unlawful

> > > > activities. this has dragged down Bhaskar and that is why he is

> > > the way he

> > > > is now.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > sincerely,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > __________

> > > >

> > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Prafullaji,

 

If native `a' should not be allowed to comment on another's parents

Then so should not be native `b'

The issue of provocation is irrelevant

As: a sq. * b sq. = ab sq.

 

Let's not disturb the equation by excessive interference, as in my

eyes a dignified response is always the more cultured approach and

will eventually lead to the dissolution of such provocations.

 

I have in the past condemned abuses, but as I have stated before I

don't believe that this achieves anything other than extend the need

for posts such as these and detracts from the Jyotish content.

 

If you believe that I encourage negative comments and indulge in

double standards, that's your prerogative and you are entitled to

your opinion. But I attached far more value to your opinions on

Jyotish : what would be the planetary configurations that motivate

the percieved behaviour that you have identified on part?

 

Best wishes.

 

 

, " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Atma Gnan ji

>

> It is not the question of moral policing - but whether member can be

> allowed to write bad about parents or not?

>

> It looks to me that - you encourage such elements and comments. I

> never see a single comment from you - for the people who abuse

> directly and provoke !! - But you are quick to comment on the

people,

> who criticize such comments ..Why these two double standards?

>

> regards / Prafulla

>

> , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote:

> >

> > Once again moral policing overdrive.

> >

> > Rajaji made a comment, and it was more than equalised. Lets end

it

> > there and stick to jyotish.

> >

> >

> > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Raja

> > >

> > > Please stop this unwanted chart interpretation. If you

seriously

> > want

> > > to read charts - then please reply, when a member seeks advise.

> > >

> > > Also - it is highly objectionable to comment about Shri

Bhaskar's

> > > parents. I strongly feel that - such practices must be seriously

> > > stopped by the moderator.

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla

> > >

> > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> > > <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sri Raja,

> > > >

> > > > THis is inappropriate way of talking someone on the list, and

is

> > > > extremely provocatory. I strongly condemn this post.

> > > >

> > > > Satya Sai Kolachina

> > > >

> > > > , " Raja Gursahani "

> > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > yes any planet in the lagna exerts great influence on the

> > lagna.

> > > > so if you

> > > > > look at the material representation of mars and rahu for

> > bhaskar's

> > > > chart you

> > > > > will see who has greater influence and how this comes

about.

> > this

> > > > is very

> > > > > paramount. mars for the leo lagna is ruler of 9th and 4th

so

> > > > mother and

> > > > > father had great influence on Bhaskar. rahu there means

> > intrigue

> > > > also. so I

> > > > > would say that mother and father along with Bhaskar are in

some

> > > > unlawful

> > > > > activities. this has dragged down Bhaskar and that is why

he is

> > > > the way he

> > > > > is now.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > sincerely,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > __________

> > > > >

> > > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Atma Gnan ji

 

LOL - very interesting example.

 

Yes - these threads diverts all of us, from serious discussions. But I

will buy your argument - if you choose to remain quiet (like you do

when someone has started abuse) - when someone is commenting about

such abuse.

 

I agree with you - that any one abusing parents (whether as first

abuse or counter one) is bad - though the person, who starts should be

held guilty.

 

Back to Jyotish...

 

regards / Prafulla

 

, " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan wrote:

>

> Prafullaji,

>

> If native `a' should not be allowed to comment on another's parents

> Then so should not be native `b'

> The issue of provocation is irrelevant

> As: a sq. * b sq. = ab sq.

>

> Let's not disturb the equation by excessive interference, as in my

> eyes a dignified response is always the more cultured approach and

> will eventually lead to the dissolution of such provocations.

>

> I have in the past condemned abuses, but as I have stated before I

> don't believe that this achieves anything other than extend the need

> for posts such as these and detracts from the Jyotish content.

>

> If you believe that I encourage negative comments and indulge in

> double standards, that's your prerogative and you are entitled to

> your opinion. But I attached far more value to your opinions on

> Jyotish : what would be the planetary configurations that motivate

> the percieved behaviour that you have identified on part?

>

> Best wishes.

>

>

> , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Atma Gnan ji

> >

> > It is not the question of moral policing - but whether member can be

> > allowed to write bad about parents or not?

> >

> > It looks to me that - you encourage such elements and comments. I

> > never see a single comment from you - for the people who abuse

> > directly and provoke !! - But you are quick to comment on the

> people,

> > who criticize such comments ..Why these two double standards?

> >

> > regards / Prafulla

> >

> > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Once again moral policing overdrive.

> > >

> > > Rajaji made a comment, and it was more than equalised. Lets end

> it

> > > there and stick to jyotish.

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Raja

> > > >

> > > > Please stop this unwanted chart interpretation. If you

> seriously

> > > want

> > > > to read charts - then please reply, when a member seeks advise.

> > > >

> > > > Also - it is highly objectionable to comment about Shri

> Bhaskar's

> > > > parents. I strongly feel that - such practices must be seriously

> > > > stopped by the moderator.

> > > >

> > > > regards / Prafulla

> > > >

> > > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> > > > <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sri Raja,

> > > > >

> > > > > THis is inappropriate way of talking someone on the list, and

> is

> > > > > extremely provocatory. I strongly condemn this post.

> > > > >

> > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Raja Gursahani "

> > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > yes any planet in the lagna exerts great influence on the

> > > lagna.

> > > > > so if you

> > > > > > look at the material representation of mars and rahu for

> > > bhaskar's

> > > > > chart you

> > > > > > will see who has greater influence and how this comes

> about.

> > > this

> > > > > is very

> > > > > > paramount. mars for the leo lagna is ruler of 9th and 4th

> so

> > > > > mother and

> > > > > > father had great influence on Bhaskar. rahu there means

> > > intrigue

> > > > > also. so I

> > > > > > would say that mother and father along with Bhaskar are in

> some

> > > > > unlawful

> > > > > > activities. this has dragged down Bhaskar and that is why

> he is

> > > > > the way he

> > > > > > is now.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sincerely,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > __________

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Raja ji

 

There can be personal digfferenes.Mistakes can also happen from

either sides.We should forgive each other and try not to make

astrology as a means to hurt others.

 

Hope you take this in the right sense.

 

Regds

Pradeep

 

, " Raja Gursahani "

<rajagursahani wrote:

>

> oh we know how you have dragged everybody down Bhaskar. but don't

worry

> about it. I mean I am so surprised by how you can call me an idiot.

by the

> way the way you refer to people in the first place is what bothers

me. you

> see you can't react to anybody without getting so deeply personal.

well how

> does it feel now!! I mean its only a prediction based on two

malefics in the

> chart. but I could be wrong!! I am also aware that those two

malefics could

> be otherwise different in many cases depending on the

circumstances!!

>

>

>

>

>

> sincerely,

>

>

>

> __________

>

> Raja G. Gursahani

> *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Raja,

 

I know you are someone's fake id and i dont know who's but you have

no right to make this astrology as a method to prove someone bad.

 

you yourself have proved that wht is your level in astrology.

 

You should apologize to bhaskar ji for your writings.

 

Regards,

 

Tarun

 

 

 

 

> >

> > , " Raja Gursahani "

> > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > >

> > > yes any planet in the lagna exerts great influence on the

lagna.

> > so if you

> > > look at the material representation of mars and rahu for

bhaskar's

> > chart you

> > > will see who has greater influence and how this comes about.

this

> > is very

> > > paramount. mars for the leo lagna is ruler of 9th and 4th so

> > mother and

> > > father had great influence on Bhaskar. rahu there means

intrigue

> > also. so I

> > > would say that mother and father along with Bhaskar are in some

> > unlawful

> > > activities. this has dragged down Bhaskar and that is why he is

> > the way he

> > > is now.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > sincerely,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > __________

> > >

> > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Atmagnaniji,

 

I am a member of 76 Forums on Astrology

and Spiritualsim. Please search for at least

one message, where I have abused any member ,

without provocation, voluntarily from my side,

on any issue. You would not find a single.

 

This is the second time I have seen you rebuking

a good member who stood to talk against

injustice and unjustified behaviour, from

another member, to me. I have seen you

doing this before too, but not seen you

speaking against the person who started or

provocated this. I have more than

equalised the behaviour, ONLY IN ABSENCE

OF PEOPLE LIKE YOUR GOODSELF

COMING FORWARD TO

CONDEMN SUCH BEHAVIOUR.

 

Is speaking out known as Equalising ?

 

I give you two examples below-

 

a) While traveling , in a train,

some dirty looking man comes and sits

between your mother and sister, when

another on looker objects, he slaps him.

You, who had gone for few minutes,

to the toilet, and now come back,

after realising what has happened,

slap the man and throw him out of the

compartment ? Would you call this

equalising ? or would you keep quiet and

show your saintliness or cowardice,

either of the two.

 

b) While you three have gone for teerthyatra,

and someone calls your Father and mother

a thief, because, someones purse is lost, and

your parents look too simple, and are wearing

ordinary clothes. What would you do ? Would

you protest or just show your saintliness or

cowardice, either of the two. If you protest,

would it be called equalising ?

 

Sir all Big talks on keeping public image,

look good only in books or front of public,

but take one nowhere spiritually.

That is practical spiritualism. One cannot

fool his conscience and hide

the cowardice, or his connivance with

the criminals, at such times, when one

keeps quiet.

 

I would prefer to be banned from all Forums,

societies and the world itself, if I cannot

speak back against abuse given to my parents.

Sorry, I cannot be a good astrologer if I cannot

be a good son to my parents, they may not

know what has transpired here, but my

conscience knows, My God knows.

 

I do not want any image keeping, or mantaining

of respect, neither diplomacy, if I cannot

defend my parents who are innocent, and

unnecessarily abused, to create a furore,

then I am not a good man- Period.

 

When there was no trouble going on since last few days,

apart from the astrological arguments, why has this

person to come and suddenly, talk any nonsense

without base ? That issue has to be settled and,

not the equalising part.

 

Instead of this moral policing, you

are advocating the moral policy

of taking the innocent victim to task,

with this attitude, and not the criminals.

 

I also find that suddenly new email ids have

come in the Forum as, new members, who seem

to know much of the members etc.even after

having joined just 2 days ago. Please be careful

of all such members who keep on joining as new

ones.

 

That was straight from the heart, no beating around

the bush, no diplomacy, and remember when a person

is in pain, only the sounds of pain can be heard from him,

and one cannot and should not expect ability to

refrain emotions with subtle crafty expressions,

as one good member advised.

 

No offense here to anyone, just speaking in defense.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

 

Note to the Moderator- Please note that I always

speak strongly, only whenever provocated, otherwise I

never speak out of turn in abusive language. But

all the same, I apologise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan wrote:

>

> Prafullaji,

>

> If native `a' should not be allowed to comment on another's parents

> Then so should not be native `b'

> The issue of provocation is irrelevant

> As: a sq. * b sq. = ab sq.

>

> Let's not disturb the equation by excessive interference, as in my

> eyes a dignified response is always the more cultured approach and

> will eventually lead to the dissolution of such provocations.

>

> I have in the past condemned abuses, but as I have stated before I

> don't believe that this achieves anything other than extend the need

> for posts such as these and detracts from the Jyotish content.

>

> If you believe that I encourage negative comments and indulge in

> double standards, that's your prerogative and you are entitled to

> your opinion. But I attached far more value to your opinions on

> Jyotish : what would be the planetary configurations that motivate

> the percieved behaviour that you have identified on part?

>

> Best wishes.

>

>

> , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Atma Gnan ji

> >

> > It is not the question of moral policing - but whether member can be

> > allowed to write bad about parents or not?

> >

> > It looks to me that - you encourage such elements and comments. I

> > never see a single comment from you - for the people who abuse

> > directly and provoke !! - But you are quick to comment on the

> people,

> > who criticize such comments ..Why these two double standards?

> >

> > regards / Prafulla

> >

> > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Once again moral policing overdrive.

> > >

> > > Rajaji made a comment, and it was more than equalised. Lets end

> it

> > > there and stick to jyotish.

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Raja

> > > >

> > > > Please stop this unwanted chart interpretation. If you

> seriously

> > > want

> > > > to read charts - then please reply, when a member seeks advise.

> > > >

> > > > Also - it is highly objectionable to comment about Shri

> Bhaskar's

> > > > parents. I strongly feel that - such practices must be seriously

> > > > stopped by the moderator.

> > > >

> > > > regards / Prafulla

> > > >

> > > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> > > > <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sri Raja,

> > > > >

> > > > > THis is inappropriate way of talking someone on the list, and

> is

> > > > > extremely provocatory. I strongly condemn this post.

> > > > >

> > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Raja Gursahani "

> > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > yes any planet in the lagna exerts great influence on the

> > > lagna.

> > > > > so if you

> > > > > > look at the material representation of mars and rahu for

> > > bhaskar's

> > > > > chart you

> > > > > > will see who has greater influence and how this comes

> about.

> > > this

> > > > > is very

> > > > > > paramount. mars for the leo lagna is ruler of 9th and 4th

> so

> > > > > mother and

> > > > > > father had great influence on Bhaskar. rahu there means

> > > intrigue

> > > > > also. so I

> > > > > > would say that mother and father along with Bhaskar are in

> some

> > > > > unlawful

> > > > > > activities. this has dragged down Bhaskar and that is why

> he is

> > > > > the way he

> > > > > > is now.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sincerely,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > __________

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Bhaskarji

 

Several members made a point to condemn the message of Rajaji, which

was indeed below the belt and unwarranted. However, rather than

maintain or promote any peace in the list, such messages seem to

achieve nothing but ignite further the mood and discontent of the

persons involved.

 

In the absence of active moderation (which should not be necessary)

it is the responsibility of us all to behave in a manner that no such

issue is escalated. That is why I have faith in maintaining a

balanced approach and not taking any sides, and to focus on Jyotish

discussions so that invaluable time is not lost.

 

Let's forget who's right and who's wrong and place an emphasis on

Jyotish. Someone has just posted a chart in relation to a childbirth

problem: an analysis on this using various methods would be a

stimulating exercise.

 

I look forward to your valued comments on this chart.

 

Best wishes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Atmagnaniji,

>

> I am a member of 76 Forums on Astrology

> and Spiritualsim. Please search for at least

> one message, where I have abused any member ,

> without provocation, voluntarily from my side,

> on any issue. You would not find a single.

>

> This is the second time I have seen you rebuking

> a good member who stood to talk against

> injustice and unjustified behaviour, from

> another member, to me. I have seen you

> doing this before too, but not seen you

> speaking against the person who started or

> provocated this. I have more than

> equalised the behaviour, ONLY IN ABSENCE

> OF PEOPLE LIKE YOUR GOODSELF

> COMING FORWARD TO

> CONDEMN SUCH BEHAVIOUR.

>

> Is speaking out known as Equalising ?

>

> I give you two examples below-

>

> a) While traveling , in a train,

> some dirty looking man comes and sits

> between your mother and sister, when

> another on looker objects, he slaps him.

> You, who had gone for few minutes,

> to the toilet, and now come back,

> after realising what has happened,

> slap the man and throw him out of the

> compartment ? Would you call this

> equalising ? or would you keep quiet and

> show your saintliness or cowardice,

> either of the two.

>

> b) While you three have gone for teerthyatra,

> and someone calls your Father and mother

> a thief, because, someones purse is lost, and

> your parents look too simple, and are wearing

> ordinary clothes. What would you do ? Would

> you protest or just show your saintliness or

> cowardice, either of the two. If you protest,

> would it be called equalising ?

>

> Sir all Big talks on keeping public image,

> look good only in books or front of public,

> but take one nowhere spiritually.

> That is practical spiritualism. One cannot

> fool his conscience and hide

> the cowardice, or his connivance with

> the criminals, at such times, when one

> keeps quiet.

>

> I would prefer to be banned from all Forums,

> societies and the world itself, if I cannot

> speak back against abuse given to my parents.

> Sorry, I cannot be a good astrologer if I cannot

> be a good son to my parents, they may not

> know what has transpired here, but my

> conscience knows, My God knows.

>

> I do not want any image keeping, or mantaining

> of respect, neither diplomacy, if I cannot

> defend my parents who are innocent, and

> unnecessarily abused, to create a furore,

> then I am not a good man- Period.

>

> When there was no trouble going on since last few days,

> apart from the astrological arguments, why has this

> person to come and suddenly, talk any nonsense

> without base ? That issue has to be settled and,

> not the equalising part.

>

> Instead of this moral policing, you

> are advocating the moral policy

> of taking the innocent victim to task,

> with this attitude, and not the criminals.

>

> I also find that suddenly new email ids have

> come in the Forum as, new members, who seem

> to know much of the members etc.even after

> having joined just 2 days ago. Please be careful

> of all such members who keep on joining as new

> ones.

>

> That was straight from the heart, no beating around

> the bush, no diplomacy, and remember when a person

> is in pain, only the sounds of pain can be heard from him,

> and one cannot and should not expect ability to

> refrain emotions with subtle crafty expressions,

> as one good member advised.

>

> No offense here to anyone, just speaking in defense.

>

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

> Note to the Moderator- Please note that I always

> speak strongly, only whenever provocated, otherwise I

> never speak out of turn in abusive language. But

> all the same, I apologise.

, " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@> wrote:

> >

> > Prafullaji,

> >

> > If native `a' should not be allowed to comment on another's

parents

> > Then so should not be native `b'

> > The issue of provocation is irrelevant

> > As: a sq. * b sq. = ab sq.

> >

> > Let's not disturb the equation by excessive interference, as in

my

> > eyes a dignified response is always the more cultured approach

and

> > will eventually lead to the dissolution of such provocations.

> >

> > I have in the past condemned abuses, but as I have stated before

I

> > don't believe that this achieves anything other than extend the

need

> > for posts such as these and detracts from the Jyotish content.

> >

> > If you believe that I encourage negative comments and indulge in

> > double standards, that's your prerogative and you are entitled to

> > your opinion. But I attached far more value to your opinions on

> > Jyotish : what would be the planetary configurations that

motivate

> > the percieved behaviour that you have identified on part?

> >

> > Best wishes.

> >

> >

> > , " Prafulla Gang " <jyotish@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Atma Gnan ji

> > >

> > > It is not the question of moral policing - but whether member

can be

> > > allowed to write bad about parents or not?

> > >

> > > It looks to me that - you encourage such elements and comments.

I

> > > never see a single comment from you - for the people who abuse

> > > directly and provoke !! - But you are quick to comment on the

> > people,

> > > who criticize such comments ..Why these two double standards?

> > >

> > > regards / Prafulla

> > >

> > > , " atma_gnan " <atma_gnan@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Once again moral policing overdrive.

> > > >

> > > > Rajaji made a comment, and it was more than equalised. Lets

end

> > it

> > > > there and stick to jyotish.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " Prafulla Gang "

<jyotish@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Raja

> > > > >

> > > > > Please stop this unwanted chart interpretation. If you

> > seriously

> > > > want

> > > > > to read charts - then please reply, when a member seeks

advise.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also - it is highly objectionable to comment about Shri

> > Bhaskar's

> > > > > parents. I strongly feel that - such practices must be

seriously

> > > > > stopped by the moderator.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards / Prafulla

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Satya Sai Kolachina "

> > > > > <skolachi@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sri Raja,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > THis is inappropriate way of talking someone on the list,

and

> > is

> > > > > > extremely provocatory. I strongly condemn this post.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Satya Sai Kolachina

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Raja Gursahani "

> > > > > > <rajagursahani@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > yes any planet in the lagna exerts great influence on

the

> > > > lagna.

> > > > > > so if you

> > > > > > > look at the material representation of mars and rahu

for

> > > > bhaskar's

> > > > > > chart you

> > > > > > > will see who has greater influence and how this comes

> > about.

> > > > this

> > > > > > is very

> > > > > > > paramount. mars for the leo lagna is ruler of 9th and

4th

> > so

> > > > > > mother and

> > > > > > > father had great influence on Bhaskar. rahu there means

> > > > intrigue

> > > > > > also. so I

> > > > > > > would say that mother and father along with Bhaskar are

in

> > some

> > > > > > unlawful

> > > > > > > activities. this has dragged down Bhaskar and that is

why

> > he is

> > > > > > the way he

> > > > > > > is now.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sincerely,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

__________

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Raja G. Gursahani

> > > > > > > *: 314.761.3134 (Clovis, CA)

> > > > > > > *: rajagursahani(atgmail.com)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >